classic-chat

[lament bluff]

You have too many DPS but little CC and buffer

[indigo stump]

what would you do ifyou were in my spot

[lament bluff]

Yeah take scarlet out and put Ivan

[indigo stump]

okay cause i gotta make 2 team anyways

[lament bluff]

Or You can bench Daimon

[indigo stump]

nvm i have to make 3 teams

crap

[lament bluff]

Get Atheus one copy too if you can. He is a pretty good frontliner

[indigo stump]

what type is he

so i can see if i haver

[lament bluff]

Wilder

[lament bluff]

Yeah

Put him on reso

[lament bluff]

Atheus+Rem+Ivan= 1 team

[indigo stump]

trying to make 3 good teams is stressful

not tosound dumb but who is rem

[lament bluff]

This girl from dims

She can only be obtained from garrison

[indigo stump]

i dont have her

and idk what garrison is

[lament bluff]

Tap friends from main screen

Bottom left

[indigo stump]

dont ahve enough currencyt

[lament bluff]

Yeah you need to save them

She is pretty good from early to late

After her, build Emilia

[indigo stump]

i can use short term lans

[lament bluff]

Honestly You need to swap your Daimon SI40 with her

[indigo stump]

how

[lament bluff]

Oh wait you can't swap dims with 4 f I forgot

[sudden marsh]

perilous voyage comps?

[lament bluff]

Used Abel Gavus Lava and Ashem comp and kids

[copper sail]

just read bronn’s story, he’s a giga simp

[lament bluff]

Bro's like me fr

[copper sail]

stop cleaning her grave bro she ain’t gonna fuck you bro

[prime isle]

Oh 🤨?

Well damn.

[jolly sable]

i need a mentor and friends

[copper sail]

don’t we all

[jolly sable]

…

[mystic socket]

Oh, idk it was possible

[jolly sable]

i also got rowan hes really good right?

[pliant summit]

I would die

[jolly sable]

why

how we looking? i started today c:

[indigo stump]

WTH

newbie luck

[mystic socket]

@jolly sable u can pass anasta in E+

twice

and keep copies

[jolly sable]

im tryna follow the guide and not ascend anyone except the 3 skill heros

[misty wedge]

its safe to take any hero to e+. Just dont take non-fodder heroes to L (gold frame)

[misty wedge]

its okay. Getting 8 copies of any hero even if bad hero honestly is pretty good for early game because you get a rem link + you can grit them later anyway

[elfin fable]

Hello- I’m a baby player…

[mystic socket]

i know i just tell you to up him in e+

[jolly sable]

1. what

[elfin fable]

And 2?

[sacred linden]

hey i think you pulled anasta

[sonic folio]

Hi y'all

[indigo stump]

How on earth do I make 3 good teams

[wispy geyser]

get 15 good heroes

[jolly sable]

wow ima get rem on day1

[indigo stump]

Should I SI swap my scarlet and Damon to better units

Since there both 40

Cause I have this

[warm wigeon]

Anyone stuck on 1288-1 stage in Mauler tower?

[indigo stump]

Bro I’m on stage 160

[jolly sable]

#classic-questions

[floral latch]

The real question is why you even have si40 "damon"

[indigo stump]

Shhhhhh

[primal nimbus]

cant believe they added lebron to afk arena😭

[indigo stump]

My account is on the redemption arc

[pliant granite]

any code ?

[clever dagger]

hi

[torn steppe]

Both shouldnt be si 40 lol

[lofty dome]

It’s been a while since I’ve seen purple

[pliant granite]

no not you 🤣

hi btw

[torn steppe]

❤️‍🔥

[torn steppe]

If you android download afk redeem app

Idk if its avaible for iphone thos

[pliant granite]

alr ty

ill see$

[indigo stump]

I realised I made bad decisions

Why can’t afk arena work like rise of kingdoms certain stuff locked till certain times

[torn steppe]

[drifting plume]

what do u think on Adrian's si40?

[bright spire]

Is it just me or is the new judgement chronicle really easy

Compared to the last one at least

[clever dagger]

very easy

[bright spire]

Did everything first try with the same teams

Free bait

[tepid epoch]

me too

except i kinda swapped some heroes for 4 faction heroes

[bright spire]

New code: G3tB41t3d

[tepid epoch]

this joke is old tbh

[clever dagger]

thanks

[bright spire]

Me btw

[prime isle]

Extremely easy compared to the last few ones.

[safe oracle]

Tell me please. which characters will be better?

[jolly sable]

anyone wanna let me borrow some mercs?

[clever dagger]

restart, follow pins in #classic-questions

[bright spire]

Cruel

[clever dagger]

restart, follow pins in #classic-questions

[bright spire]

[clever dagger]

[next glen]

Arf I’m stuck. Everyone wants me to play A Shemira but I wasn’t there to receive it free. Don’t know who to add as a damage dealer on a
Rosaline - Rowan - Lucius team

[bright spire]

restart, follow pins in #classic-questions

[tepid epoch]

i was old enough to remember that awakened shemira is a mid awakened hero based on initial results

[bright spire]

I was hoping you’d know

Congrats🎊

[next glen]

Yeah but who can do the same job than her with my supps team core?

[bright spire]

Atheus can do the tanking but you’d need a damage source

[unborn zephyr]

Any new cats pictures

[bright spire]

No not really

[unborn zephyr]

[next glen]

Thanks for the tips. I really seems no one can do the same job than A Shemira

Will need to pray I guess

[bright spire]

aShem is really unique yeah, but Atheus can tank just as good early on and Rem can do the damage

[next glen]

Atheus - Rem - Rosaline - Lucius - Rowan ?

[bright spire]

I’d take out Lucius, Rosaline and Rowan since they don’t really do much

Rowan is good but just not in this case

Lucius is bad

Rosaline isn’t really a campaign hero

Try Rem + Ivan and tanks/supports

[next glen]

Okay thanks Rem ❤️

[unborn zephyr]

bro called you rem

[bright spire]

[wraith oriole]

You didn't address properly, full name is SI40 Rem

[jolly sable]

holy cow i just slaughtered rizz

[wraith oriole]

[bright spire]

[unborn zephyr]

@Rem only needs si20, but preferably si40

[bright spire]

WHAT

Slander

Is this you right now????

[wraith oriole]

Trust him bro, he physician

[unborn zephyr]

I am

[clever dagger]

you’re gonna send wout to early grave

[unborn zephyr]

Cat heaven

[bright spire]

[unborn zephyr]

Cute

[jolly sable]

why did i do more damage when i swapped someone for lvl 1 daimon

[unborn zephyr]

More energy

[jolly sable]

whatchu mean

[unborn zephyr]

Less heroes hitting = more hits for the good ones = more energy for your heroes

[jolly sable]

ohhhh i see makes sense so really o shoulda just done rest support or something

[unborn zephyr]

What mode are you even talking about

Campaign?

[jolly sable]

guild

[unborn zephyr]

What formation are you even using

[jolly sable]

whatever the single fight is called

wrizz

[unborn zephyr]

You have a kraken friend, lucky

[unborn zephyr]

Do you have rosaline?

[jolly sable]

lol what does that mean

[unborn zephyr]

Rich friend

[clever dagger]

im poor wym

[unborn zephyr]

add

[jolly sable]

ummm i dont think so

what faction are they

[unborn zephyr]

Lightbearer

[jolly sable]

what they look like

[unborn zephyr]

Blonde maid girl

[clever dagger]

you don’t have her no

[jolly sable]

i have raine and rowan

i dont see a blonde maid girl unfortunately

[unborn zephyr]

She’d be a good fit instead of Daimon. She would basically refill athalias energy bar when she uses her ultimate giving you more damage overall + you get that faction bonus for 5 heroes of the same faction

[clever dagger]

better off using abel/scar for wrizz

[unborn zephyr]

Rosa still would fit with them

[clever dagger]

yeah

[jolly sable]

ooo okay yeah hope i get her sometime then

gonna fly through peaks now

[fast notch]

what teams are everyone using on the new zero limit event?

[clever dagger]

I just used leaderboard one, only got me floor 800 tho

[jolly sable]

is lyca not faster then

i cant tell tbh

[tardy root]

I got 9f Mulan and it seems meh xD

[thorn sapphire]

does anyone has the popquiz answers

[thorn sapphire]

thanks

[sand kettle]

Sorry are there any infographics or pins to explain what to signature swap

[sleek sun]

You can ask @torpid onyx

[torpid onyx]

Shut up Arkinz

[sleek sun]

[torpid onyx]

[sand kettle]

[safe panther]

Liberta at Mythic+ now. Also not too far from +30 signature item.

[unreal arch]

@main tree cmere.

[frank coral]

📉

[safe panther]

No epic emblem chests? Sad.

[burnt shard]

Where is celestial isles?!

Not appearing for me in events

Nvm I had to update app

[safe panther]

Restart the game app.

[burnt shard]

Yea lol, ty

[pseudo nimbus]

I need a quick guide should i open all of these or procede in portal?

[spare wolf]

proceed til you get to the 10th floors, then take all the rewards there before going on

[pseudo nimbus]

Ok thanks

[burnt shard]

Bronn is a boomer

[jaunty plover]

man, this bronn bro's design kinda freaks me out

[cunning wigeon]

my 10th floor was dookie

turned all cept for 2 tiles

[spare wolf]

[somber spoke]

what should i stargaze for and temple of time?

[short quail]

Yo

[nocturne vector]

Yo

[obsidian jewel]

I found this person on test server I think they need to be reported

[nocturne vector]

ion give a piss bout nun but the tide

[viscid vale]

Lavatune

[floral latch]

Yeah he definitely worthless

Dies too quick and get blocked by everything not allowing him to move

I'm glad that they keep releasing bad heroes tbh

[safe panther]

Not as bad as Rem lol

[floral latch]

True, definitely much worse

He's like proper shit

You can't even reach the other side if there's a hero that doesn't move from the back line, like for example safiya

You just get stuck in front of her 2m away from reaching the back line

[spice lance]

hello

[novel widget]

What’s so bad about rem?

[safe panther]

Boring design.

Would rather not invest into a maid who is a warrior and not a support.

[novel widget]

More so her ability’s or her appearance?

[safe panther]

Her appearance.

[novel widget]

Uh ic

[safe panther]

Besides, I have bigger priorities for +30 like Liberta and eventually Lucilla.

Aw.Shemira already +30. All of my awakened heroes who are of Mythic and higher are already +30. Only those who haven't are those who haven't reached Mythic yet.

I'm still working on Aw.Shemira. 5 copies left until ascended.

[verbal pawn]

[novel widget]

Congrats 👏🏽

[safe panther]

Whoa lucky you!

[glad sand]

New mauler when?

This seems slightly busted

[cold mulch]

no comment 🗿

[wraith oriole]

You want to know what's awkward? He's not used in pvp in the first place to take advantage of that, and in campaign he dies long before linked target dies

[viscid vale]

And CR/NC nothing can die

[wraith oriole]

Except your own units

[glad sand]

Some 40+ on specific heroes suck due to the 40+ making them miniscully more relevant, while being completely counterproductive resource wise

[wraith oriole]

He technically could be brought back into pvp with +40 but how many are going to use their own resources to test that

[glad sand]

Gimme a second

[wraith oriole]

Also I'm curious about your IGN

[safe panther]

+40 felt like a missed opportunity to make older heroes relevant again.

Like OG Belinda and Saurus. Ulmus. And whatever.

[wraith oriole]

It doesn't matter even if they did because most won't be able to afford them

[glad sand]

+37

[wraith oriole]

Momon is that you

[glad sand]

https://tenor.com/view/skipper-madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-you-didnt-see-anything-gif-15715770

[wraith oriole]

Technically you're #36

[glad sand]

36 where?

[wraith oriole]

On legends ladder... Unless I got wrong person again as usual

[wraith oriole]

[glad sand]

I barely play the game anymore

[wraith oriole]

Still nice to encounter same server peeps

[glad sand]

Very true

I'm not even sure I want to try to build the next Wilder

[last urchin]

Havent been on this chat in forever any oldies from long ago still play

[frank coral]

🇳

[last urchin]

Lmao

Why does this show up Everytime I launch

[torn steppe]

@wet hedge

[last urchin]

65-1 wow nice going

[torn steppe]

Just waiting for more chaps lol

[last urchin]

Oh dang I just restarted lol game runs like poop lol

[pliant summit]

How I wish I could revert this things back to chest 😅 before u can get to 60 shards ..you already done building the hero

This two are useless to me now

[wispy geyser]

as if u opened the chests

[cunning wigeon]

i think he actually did nem nem

[wispy geyser]

[frank coral]

🫘

[last urchin]

Any heroes I should be focusing on starting from scratch

[cunning wigeon]

beaned your ass

[frank coral]

I scorch your beans in the book of the beans

[cunning wigeon]

i avada kedabean your beans in harry beaner and the goblet of beans

[verbal pawn]

check the pinned guide in #classic-questions if you havent

[violet mauve]

Hey I'm looking for a competitive ABEX guild, I'm level 400 and have been playing this game for 4 years and never miss a day, I own 7 meta awakened heroes full build if that's matter.

[wet hedge]

is firespore competitive (going for ranking)?

[wispy geyser]

prince and dip

[wet hedge]

look in #guilds and dm the recruiters

[wet hedge]

based

[violet mauve]

Omg thank you so much

[last urchin]

Is it still random when summoning in start cause I got 3 Rowan in a row lol

[wispy geyser]

yes

[last urchin]

Okay cool lucky me lol

[torn steppe]

@violet mauve hey can you dm me for a sec 🙏

[jolly sable]

sup

[cunning wigeon]

can i dm you too ? my friend wants your tiktok

[torn steppe]

I want your dishwasher

[cunning wigeon]

you havent found a replacement since you left to be a whalewasher

[torn steppe]

I did but the villa guy need more then 1

[onyx rose]

Greeting frens , hows going on ? evrything is ok ? ❤️ i hop evrything is ok ❤️

[torn steppe]

Hello

[cunning wigeon]

cause you worth 2 dishwashers

[torn steppe]

Noice

Take it as a sign

Shes next to max

[floral latch]

I thought that he'd help me out but he's so worthless

[novel widget]

Yeah he is

[floral latch]

He's the release that i hate the most this year

Do they even bother to try out the heroes before releasing them?

[teal bane]

Power creep minus the power

He just creeps along and doesn't do anything else

[floral latch]

That's the funniest thing I've heard someone say this year, thank you for that

[wispy geyser]

[torn steppe]

He works with ashem mostly

Also e60 is the biggest part of his kit

[floral latch]

You better stop

This time I'm not allowing you to defend this garbage

[teal bane]

What's e60, i'm not well versed in this stuff yet

[floral latch]

[wispy geyser]

#classic-questions

pins

[teal bane]

Not loading :(

[wispy geyser]

then just wait for it to load

[teal bane]

I tried but it stayed at 0%

I'll just look at it tomorrow

[floral latch]

That mf either dies before reaching the other half of the battlefield or the enemies are already dead by then

A buffer that can't buff you

It's almost as if this year they plan to do the opposite, tanks that can't tank and buffers that can't buff

[teal bane]

What's the tank that can't tank

[wispy geyser]

daimon

[teal bane]

Oh

[wispy geyser]

alucius

[teal bane]

I use a. lucius :(

[wispy geyser]

doesn't mean he's a good tank

[teal bane]

Does he at least beat normal lucius?

[wispy geyser]

anything beats normal Lucius

[teal bane]

I used my only swap scroll to switch m+ lucius with e jerome

[torn steppe]

Hes just a buffer basically i dont think hed get up unstuck especially without the e60

[teal bane]

I am curious why everyone hates lucius so much

[wispy geyser]

the woke version?

[teal bane]

The unawakened one

[wispy geyser]

we don't hate him, we just have 0 use for him

[teal bane]

I wish i could get rem without having to borrow her every 40 days

[wispy geyser]

30*

[teal bane]

I thought it was 40?

[wispy geyser]

30, one month

[teal bane]

Did rem cost 100 usd when she was available?

[wispy geyser]

no

first purchase would've been $15 iirc

and emi would've been $50, or whichever u got second

[teal bane]

Does anyone pay a hundred dollars for one hero?

[wispy geyser]

allow me to introduce awakened heroes

[teal bane]

Oh no

I'm never getting ascended awakened athalia am i

[wispy geyser]

depends, if u play meta f2p likely not

[teal bane]

What about non-meta f2p

[torn steppe]

He just dies alot

[teal bane]

Hey, just like rem!

[wispy geyser]

I mean, if u target atha u can get her yes

[torn steppe]

Rem has damage thos

[wispy geyser]

just meta won't be getting her

Rem actually has a purpose, unlike normal luci

[teal bane]

Athalia was my first awakened, from tavern

And i like her design

[wispy geyser]

if u don't care about progress in game, and like specifically aathalia then just get her

12 copies, for ascended

[teal bane]

I'm going for shemira right now though since i hear she's good

[wispy geyser]

wow such a meta slave

[teal bane]

I got to 30-1 without her

How often does unlimited summons happen? I got a. talene from the last one and i feel that may not have been the greatest choice

[torn steppe]

It happened once

Ever

[teal bane]

Oh :(

I hope they do it again

[pliant summit]

Daemia wildin sheesh!

Mulan Op

[prime isle]

👏👏👏👏👏.

[floral latch]

@wispy geyser I've reached the shithole stages

Been on auto for 30 mins already

[wraith oriole]

Just wait out for more hero upgrades

[floral latch]

Fuck waiting

I know that I'm 1 second away from winning both stages but i keep having bad rng

[prime isle]

Excellent.

[prime isle]

Damn. Looks real nefarious.

[floral latch]

Now I'm triggered

@prime isle

[prime isle]

Wow. Welcome to the club. Enemy OG Lucius be one indestructible ass son of a bitch sometimes. Just another damn Seirus.

[floral latch]

About time

[prime isle]

👏👏👏👏👏.

[woven loom]

Lol

New graveborn bad ?

[misty vortex]

Hmmm he need ivan🥲

[prime isle]

Interesting 🤔.

[strong sleet]

So we selling

[glad sand]

Just an annoying ever regening hp bar

[glass star]

your problem is autoing Raku

[pliant summit]

No is not

Auto raku OP

[floral latch]

Nobody got time for manual

Anyway i finished the chapter

Now a bit of a break

[prime isle]

Congratulations now you can stall for an extremely long time.

[floral latch]

Yeah stages are getting kinda annoying now

I need better heroes to bother with it again

[sudden marsh]

damn, juice looks very appealing

contemplating on dropping reds

[mild lotus]

To switch game accounts is it the select server button?

[jolly sable]

yeah

[mild lotus]

Damn must have done something wrong said it should be this gmail I'll hit up support again ig

[rain bay]

When thesku almost out dpses liberta lmao

Wait a sec.... I just noticed that Mulan interrupts Rowan putting out his potions. If Mulan hits Rowan he doesn't put potions out at all

Damn

[floral latch]

It only took you 3 years to realize, nice

[crude sapphire]

wait until you findout mulan counters flora

[floral latch]

Shh

[rain bay]

oh i know

[crude sapphire]

[rain bay]

i probably noticed it before but never registered it lmao

[floral latch]

Better late than never

Took me 3 months to realize why thoran was killing my mehira all the time

[jolly sable]

can grave faction come already i need ivan

[cloud void]

i need jerome

mines still at e+ ffs

[jolly sable]

is there a updated hero tier list anywhere

[wispy geyser]

#classic-questions pins

there's a wishlist

if someone were to make an accurate tier list it'd be gamemode dependent, and need to be updated fortnightly x10 or however many different gamemodes there are

no one wants to do this.....especially when u gotta adjust old heroes

ofc there's inaccurate ones everywhere, heck u can type afk arena into youtube and it'll probably spring up a FHG tier list vid that's as wrong as the sky is green

[south marsh]

@wet hedge

https://tenor.com/view/ayo-ayo-what-the-fuck-what-the-fuck-gif-16592310

[wispy geyser]

9 wokes????

this mf been getting insane luck on the cards

my f2p alt only has 6

[normal zodiac]

bouttaa check this shit real quick

even has lucius maxed. this shit is bogus

[wispy geyser]

I wonder how popular that name is, that's a super nice CR rank for vip 10 old player

probably done this good old trick

[floral latch]

I hate lucky people

[south marsh]

Interesting that it doesn't have AAthalia

[wispy geyser]

it seems so sketchy, but with insane RNG it's possible

[floral latch]

Nothing sketchy

There are lucky people out there

Fhg got lucius to ascended in less than 300 cards

[wispy geyser]

wokes have been out for like 2.25 years or thereabouts, so that's like 3250 cards or thereabouts, plus tower

9 wokes out of that is consistently fantastic rates

being generous with those calcs as well

realistically 6-8 is expected amount, if u have 8 u have no TEs atm

[floral latch]

He started after me

[wispy geyser]

still only half a woke

[floral latch]

I'm on day 108 and i still need 1 copy of daemia for ascended, he's already got 3 to 1 star

[wispy geyser]

and there's no proof he's actually f2p

[south marsh]

I'm 2 copies away from 8 awake, but I've had a lot of bad luck in general since the beginning of their launch. With better CR ranks and a little more luck, it's quite possible

[wispy geyser]

I think my alt is 6.5 wokes, so must've been absolutely shafted on the rates lmao

[floral latch]

He's probably also top 100 regularly in ts

[wispy geyser]

s152

nah I don't think so

if he's r5 possibly

but I think he's r4

[jolly sable]

its crazy how much stuff there is for a mobile game

[normal zodiac]

104

thats the server for this fraud f2p

[wispy geyser]

yeah 48 older than my alt

[wispy geyser]

been playing meta from scratch I bet

[floral latch]

I mean he's also done rc cramming

[wispy geyser]

yeah that's why the campaign so high

[floral latch]

He definitely knew what he was doing all along

And he definitely been lucky on top

[jolly sable]

31b bruh

[wispy geyser]

yeah that's about right

[floral latch]

Maybe I'll see the day when I'm going to have godly rng

So far this game ain't treating me well

Maybe i should start summoning with 2x speed only

[jolly sable]

this is a luck game right

[vague raptor]

Marian talk so much they got Teal before me

[jolly sable]

theres no skill

[floral latch]

[vague raptor]

[floral latch]

Most of your messages are just that emote anyway

[normal zodiac]

do you have to boost the server to get the colors?

[vague raptor]

[vague raptor]

If you boost, you get pink, if you spam, you get green than teal than orange

[floral latch]

Impressive, basically 20% of your total messages

[vague raptor]

[jolly sable]

who is that

[normal zodiac]

now how much spam do i need. because i will do it

[vague raptor]

A lot, you can check your lvl in #levelup-channel 21 for green, 41 for teal and 61 for orange

[normal zodiac]

hours?

[vague raptor]

few days? dunno took me ages for green

[floral latch]

More like thousands of messages

[normal zodiac]

so im a while away then. im screwed

[floral latch]

Yeah you're still a casual

[normal zodiac]

im at 25 tho

[vague raptor]

Could ask for green

[floral latch]

You can ask for the role then

[normal zodiac]

just peep the level up channel

mods give me color please

[floral latch]

Dm afk mod mail

[normal zodiac]

done

now we wait

[jolly sable]

im at chapter 11 on day 2

[normal zodiac]

slow

i was at 16 on day 2

[jolly sable]

im noob

[normal zodiac]

[wispy geyser]

actually boosters get yellow

[jolly sable]

gyat

[normal zodiac]

mad bunda, a baking franchise behind there

yamiin would tell me to stop so i will

[vague raptor]

Right

[normal zodiac]

i need that yap role

captain my captain, how are things

[prime isle]

🚬.

[normal zodiac]

im just tryna be freindly, lemme land

[floral latch]

My hungarian friend only replies to me

She's ignoring everyone else, right?

[normal zodiac]

nah she replied to me earlier on, woman of the ppl u feel me

just give it a sec

fuck i look desperate. im gonna dip for a while

[floral latch]

[little veldt]

How many epic emblem chests for 40 SI? I know nothing about them

[floral latch]

Must be because of the simps

They'd end up spamming your dms

[little veldt]

Gross

I'm still deciding if I want to return to the game or not

[prime isle]

650 Probably.

[floral latch]

You better watch out btw, done more progress today, I'm coming for you @prime isle

[wet hedge]

interesting

woah 4% CR?

that's some utak level whale

I have the same number of awakend as her

but not nearly as high ranked in NC (clearly she is top 200) or CR

[little veldt]

And why are the free heroes I get to use for returning just worse versions I already have

[prime isle]

69% Win Rate. How nice.

[wet hedge]

NC might just be because freegion

but that CR score is impressive

I bet we're both further ahead in campaign though

[little veldt]

I also am considering starting over lmao

[tacit nexus]

Nice

[little veldt]

Old School AFK Arena server when?

[normal zodiac]

bring back shem, lucuis days

no, because i cannot afford

[little veldt]

I feel most changes after furniture were a bit week

Weak*

Like my spelling

[tacit nexus]

We already have lucius and Shemira at home.
Lucius and Shemira at home:

[little veldt]

I don't even have a problem with all of engravings/40 SIs/beasts and so on. I just feel like nearly half the characters in the game have no point existing anymore. Each of these power creeps are an excellent chance to breath new life into old characters but they don't

[normal zodiac]

theyre pretty much space for tower now

[little veldt]

For example look at Kaz's 40 SI. Does Kaz need more Dodge? Same goes for her engraving... You gave her this poison mechanic on her furniture why not expand on that?

Basically I just think instead of new characters they should rework old characters to fit the new design philosophy.

[normal zodiac]

thats what they did isabella

[little veldt]

Here's even a money maker way of doing it. Stop releasing awakened heroes and instead start allowing us to "awaken" heroes we currently have where both the base hero upgrades and the "awakened" upgrades affect their strength.

For all intents and purposes both systems are the same except that gives you a reason to collect older characters.

[little veldt]

Technically they did it to Kaz a long time ago. They reworked her signature item to give her magic dodge.

Oden, Numisu, Skreg, and Antandra all got much better adjustments but there is precedent.

I think they also adjusted Rosaline but I'm also coming from the point of someone who has quit several times, so there's probably others.

[boreal karma]

Just started on the new server and left my level 150 server behind, are there any people who want to join my guild? I, I'm active every day

[floral latch]

[little veldt]

I just want everyone to play with the heroes they like most. I'm not advocating for anything especially balanced, but at least make some heroes serviceable... Like who tf can make Walker work as he is?

[normal zodiac]

whales

[little veldt]

Hardly

[normal zodiac]

@prime isle send the walker

[little veldt]

Still needs work and even then it's not enough

[lament turtle]

Wow

[wet hedge]

imo campaign focus is the true way to go for f2ps, but I can see how some people would rather focus on RGMs as much as possible despite knowing that it's a sinkhole

[near cedar]

I've been thinking about putting some investment into kaz

209e0 sadly

Got other heroes to finish

Finishing Tamrus sig 30 right now

[floral latch]

Nobody

Even at 4036100 he's worthless

[floral latch]

I mean campaign progression comes with time, regardless if you're f2p or not

But ofc some people are more lazy than others

[near cedar]

And some of us play differently

[floral latch]

I'm speaking of those that have the resources but don't feel the need to push because the rewards aren't that great

[split elm]

You’re prob better off joining a guild.

[wet hedge]

no I'm talking about focusing resources specificially on campaign progression (e.g. cramming, building celepos like framton etc.)

it's just the most competeable part of the game for f2ps and low spenders

[clever dagger]

what are competing for though

[wet hedge]

just high chapter at low vip

high power

you can be a "F2P in ch60+"

[clever dagger]

depends on what you want out of game I guess

[wet hedge]

which is fair title to chase for imo

[wet hedge]

yeah

RGMs are just a sinkhole at the end of the day anyways, what people are really going for by focusing RGMs is shiny rank plates

which are obviously pretty ephemeral

given they only last 1 week

[prime isle]

Should i start a new account

Since it came

[wet hedge]

go to #classic-questions and read =restarting

then make a decision, preferably after posting your roster for people to review

weigh the pros and cons

[clever dagger]

game at its core is about building heroes, ranking higher in RGMs lets you do this faster

[wet hedge]

is really though, given the inevitability of heroes falling out of meta

the more heroes you build, the more heroes will become useless for you

looking back 1-2 years from now

do you really care that you don't have say, morael and vyloris built?

how important is that really to you

is that really better than being like ch60 for instance

[torn steppe]

You're f2p and 62
Tzuyu is 63
Athene is 64

[clever dagger]

still got the dopamine out of building them at the time, can’t take that away

[magic bloom]

Guys I need help in questions lmao I’m new to the game

[clever dagger]

I don’t disagree, I think all play styles are valid

[south marsh]

There's also the fact that how many ''Op / Awake'' heroes you have depends on luck, and the resources to get those heroes depends on the region you're in.

But the crystal level no one can take it away from you, and neither your campaign progress. You either have them or not

[floral latch]

In the end you still get better overall by focusing on other things

Such as ts and so on, since you end up getting more rewards which then eventually allows you to build up the heroes for chapters

So in the end focusing only on campaign is a lose lose situation

But ofc i mean that only if you start focusing on that as soon as you can, if you on the other hand been around for awhile and only built heroes for chapters such as Frampton and so on you're fairly doomed

But if you build meta heroes most of them work well even in campaign, and in the end you get to eventually build even others thanks to the other modes

At least even if you focus on campaign you still do well even on the other modes, so this kind of thing doesn't apply to you

I'm just looking at things from my own perspective, for being around for less than 4 months

Most of the meta heroes you're building end up working even on campaign anyway, alna, daemia, liberta and so on

[wet hedge]

you would think this is true, but it's actually not

the idea that focusing on RGMs past late game benefits your roster overall is false

if your goal was to maximize the net value of your account /net strength of your roster, perma-hoard is the way to go

there are pretty much no investments past late game that pays back it's cost in marginal benefit

and late game is really not that late, you hit it around ch42

[floral latch]

The thing is, by that point you usually already have decent ranking and most meta heroes built anyway

[wet hedge]

mhm

you hit late game in like 6 months nowadays though

what do you do for the rest of the 4 years people have played?

you play the actual lategame

[floral latch]

Yeah, and having decent ranks allows you to do so

By decent rank i mean top 1-2% on ts all the time and so on

[patent oriole]

building heroes uniquely for campaign requires way more ressources than the other competitive modes btw, some of the comp heroes require higher investment in order to work in high deficit campain pushing

[wet hedge]

long term investment theory is not applicable before late game because everyone it pertains to would have reached late game by the time the investment theory actually kicks in

[floral latch]

The more rewards you get the more heroes you end up building overtime

[wet hedge]

I agree

and this is not hard to achieve at all

basically if your roster doesn't look like a meme, you'd be top 1-2%

for newer players such as yourself

[floral latch]

It's not about the difficulty, is more so about the time investment

[wet hedge]

you'd be perma top 100 if your account doesn't look like a meme

[floral latch]

Top 100 is a stretch tbh

There's just too many spenders that come and go

At least for f2p perspective

Some older regions have an easier time maintaining top 100 because the playerbase in there is pretty stable now

Like I've been around for like 108 days, someone that's around 30 days and has spent like 1k $ on the right things can surpass me with no difficulty

Basically that's the only problem with the newer regions

But once they start splitting it will become more stable

[prime isle]

Bronn is kinda good

If you have tamrus

[floral latch]

In the end it all comes down to rng, if I'll always have bad odds there won't be much i can do about it

Like my shemira summons most have been 60-70

I'm already behind compared to every other f2p in my server

[patent oriole]

ranking giga high on competitive modes as f2p require insane knowledge and huge ressource min-maxing compared to a casual who swipes occasionally (like me) and obtains only the broken heroes

[floral latch]

Most on my server already have 3 cellhypo and almost 2 if not 2 awakaned already built, i have 1 awakaned and 4 copies of athalia, and liberta and mythic+ 3 copies of daemia

[patent oriole]

on a 108d old acc or you rerolled?

[wet hedge]

honestly even this isn't true

[floral latch]

It all comes down to rng

[floral latch]

108

[wet hedge]

if you apply seasonality of investment to counteract your rng, the end product of your progression should be very similar to much better rng

[floral latch]

Wdym by that

[wet hedge]

it's just your experience wouldn't be as filled with shiny rank plates as someone with double your rates would

[floral latch]

If everyone does the same meta and you have worse rng than others you'll be behind no matter what you do

Worse rng=less heroes built=worse teams=lower rank=less resources

It's basically a spiral going downwards

And there's nothing you can really do about it

[wet hedge]

yes, but the picture is actually more like:

Worse rng = less heroes built = worse teams = lower rank = less resources = less heroes built = less resources spent = less heroes being powercrept out

[floral latch]

You're so obsessed with heroes being powercrept

[wet hedge]

so yeah your roster will look a lot more than someone who has really good rng

[floral latch]

Most of the heroes are still meta that been meta for awhile

[wet hedge]

but net strength of roster should be relatively similar

[floral latch]

And most releases this year been shit anyway

[wet hedge]

to recover from 2nd half of last year

I'm obsessed with powercreep because that's an inevitable characteristic of gacha games

if every single release is trash, no one is gonna want to build new heroes

[floral latch]

But it's not as bad for this game as you make it sound

[wet hedge]

that makes no sense from a business perspective

they want people to whale

they just don't want to ramp things up so fast that whales quit whaling

[floral latch]

Like dim team is still used and it's been around for years, alongside many other "meta" heroes

[wet hedge]

like what dim team

do you still see ainz used?

[junior prism]

I have a question

[floral latch]

So it's not like you build someone and in 3 months it's useless

[wet hedge]

what about joker?

what about geralt?

[tardy vortex]

is there a way to get daemia easily other than rng from standard draws?

[wet hedge]

they used to be top meta at their time of release

[prime isle]

Bring back fights of fates again pls

[wet hedge]

it's only been like 1 year

[junior prism]

Why was the auto battle removed and placed just on 35-60 stage

[wet hedge]

I'm not saying "oh look nakoruru and ukyo aren't used anymore" which they aren't used anymore

[unborn zephyr]

Why are y’all fighting

[wet hedge]

it's meant to be unlocked then

[floral latch]

Merlin mulan joan albedo emilia been out for awhile and they still used today

[wet hedge]

there was just a bug that allowed new players to use it a lot earlier

[junior prism]

I had on stage 12

[wet hedge]

they just patched the bug

[tardy vortex]

??

[wet hedge]

I know

[normal zodiac]

Made a friend of mine quit actually

[wet hedge]

technically you exploited a bug

[junior prism]

It was there a long time

[wet hedge]

I know

[junior prism]

Strange how it became a bug

[wet hedge]

but because obviously new players can't tell that this is not a feature, no one is gonna get punished for it

idk, some code messed up somewhere

probably some event tricked the game into thinking all players late game players

[floral latch]

There are still many dimensionals that you can still use so, powercreep is definitely not as bad in this game as you made it sound at first

[wet hedge]

their power levels are comparatively a lot weaker

[junior prism]

Well that means I am going to keep making the auto battle program that I have started on doing

[floral latch]

Heck even abrutus is still seen on certain ts teams

[wet hedge]

joan for instance is only used by players who can't afford the newer stronger alternatives

[floral latch]

That doesn't make someone bad

Lol

[wet hedge]

and joan even is like 1.5 years old only?

[floral latch]

Only?

[wet hedge]

which is within the expected lifespan of a CHAD

[tardy vortex]

hello?

[floral latch]

1.5 years is a lot for a character that can be obtained by everyone for free

[wet hedge]

I mean it's long for someone who's been playing for like 3 months

but not for people who have been playing for 4.5 years

[floral latch]

It's a gacha, summoning is your easy way of obtaining heroes

[wet hedge]

it is

which is why dims are the best thing that has ever happened to F2Ps in this game

[floral latch]

I feel like you're starting to become a tiny bit delusional

[wet hedge]

so it's not that joan is so good that she stayed

[tardy vortex]

is there another way to get daemia like wishlist for hypogeans and celestials or something? im only on chapter 10

[cedar hamlet]

@tardy vortex stargazer summon if its non standard pull

[floral latch]

No

[wet hedge]

it's more that she is so cheap compared to her alternatives that she stayed

[tardy vortex]

oh ok thanks, when do i unlock that?

[floral latch]

You unlock stargazer and summon there

[vestal sparrow]

Marian back at it again

[normal zodiac]

Chapter 16 i think

[cedar hamlet]

like chapter 16? I dont rly rmb @tardy vortex

[wet hedge]

a fellow yi long ma fan, I see you

[floral latch]

And that is not powercreep by any means

[tardy vortex]

looked it up on wiki, says chapter 15, thank you guys!

[wet hedge]

what do you mean

I also don't see how referencing dims is related to our discussion

dims support my case if anything

[floral latch]

Those who can replace the affordable versions are the people you can't compete against in the first place, so it makes no difference for you

[wet hedge]

you don't need to invest in expensive celepos/wokes, just get dims for literaly free

[normal zodiac]

Imo if you dont use them as often as the first few months of their release, theyve been crept. Haelus and Audrae have been crept, you wont find them anywhere besides being subs

[wet hedge]

you'd still keep your 1-2% stable TS if you are old, T100 if you are new

[normal zodiac]

I understand this is in context about dins but im with JD on this one

[wet hedge]

at basically 0 cost

[floral latch]

Yeah but that won't happen to daemia, lib, alna and so on

[wet hedge]

ok

[floral latch]

Alna been around forever and she's nowhere near being powercrept

[wet hedge]

and how many daemia lib alnas can you fit inside your roster

[normal zodiac]

Only time will tell

[cedar hamlet]

dont rmb when the last time I stressed leaderboard

prob 2020

[floral latch]

Jd just likes acting like everyone you build will be powercrept within 3 months, which is not the case

[unborn zephyr]

Stop fighting

[normal zodiac]

Thats the fun way of playing

[wet hedge]

that's not true at all

alna has been dropping in and out of meta based on the hyper carry she is associated with

[normal zodiac]

Until they released funiture for her she was borderline useless

[floral latch]

If it was for you you wouldn't build anyone anymore because they eventually get powercrept

[wet hedge]

we've been through lucretia, grez, rem, now alucius

but there has been gaps in the middle where she is just not that strong

right now, I think her place in the meta is just "good to have"

no really essential for new players

[floral latch]

So you're saying that alna is not essential for new players?

Shut up

[wet hedge]

"bUt I sEe HeR iN aLnA rEm CoMp"

[wet hedge]

shut him up for you

[floral latch]

You're seriously saying that alna is not essential for new players?

[normal zodiac]

Lol

[wet hedge]

I think she's not that important

[vestal sparrow]

Dyno thinks ur a noob now marian

[floral latch]

Bruh, cmon now

[wet hedge]

I'm about to mute dyno

[wet hedge]

she's very good

[normal zodiac]

Not helpful to the discussion

[wet hedge]

but I think she's very overrated

[floral latch]

@clever dagger are you seeing this

[wet hedge]

people treat her like without her the world stops spinning

[normal zodiac]

She is overhyped tbh

[floral latch]

There is a reason for her being overhyped, she's good

[wet hedge]

but in reality there are a ton of subs that will produce a pretty similar result

[floral latch]

And she is a necessity yes

[wet hedge]

and she is good, but not as good as people hype her to be

[floral latch]

And the fact that she requires way less investment than other heroes makes her essential

[wet hedge]

for instance, you will see many krakens subbing out alna for like naroko/joan in TS

to put their alna with their stall team

[floral latch]

No shit, because they afford doing that

[wet hedge]

what does that tell you about the importance of alna in alna rem

it's not 100% needed

the comp does fine without her

not as good sure, but not like it'll crash

[floral latch]

That whales can use whatever they want as long as they have everything maxed

What kinda thinking is that even

[wet hedge]

what kind of thinking is this

[floral latch]

Dd uses whatever and still gets top1 regardless because he has that many heroes maxed

[wet hedge]

top ranking whales are way better than your average T100 players at TS, and at the game in general

[floral latch]

And no one even gets close to him

[wet hedge]

you need to look to more than just r47 bro

[floral latch]

He's 20 chapters ahead everyone else in top 100 on that region

[wet hedge]

I know

[floral latch]

So, whales can do whatever they want if they're much further ahead of the competition

[wet hedge]

and the game has more than just 1-2 newest TS regions

[wet hedge]

that'sthe problem

they can only be that far ahead of the competition on very new servers

[clever dagger]

what’s this discussion about

[wet hedge]

by the time all the whales and dolphins catch up to the krakens

you can't just "I have more wokes than you so I win" anymore

[floral latch]

Alna not being essential for newer players

[vestal sparrow]

Idk to be honest it initially started with powercreep it derailed

[floral latch]

And him being delusional

[patent oriole]

dawg are these two weird outcasts even worth wasting my lab coins on ... ?

[wet hedge]

robin is good for ashem

bbyg is typical powercrept dim

[clever dagger]

she adds a lot of value to new acc

[wet hedge]

if you are like mega stacked, sure get her for RC and super niche CR use

otherwise fat skip

[floral latch]

Ofc she does, she is a necessity to have

[normal zodiac]

Necessity is pushing it

[patent oriole]

y but i already have a decent lady simona, do u rly need a 2nd energy sucking unit as robin in the ashem team o.o

[wet hedge]

yeah you want robin and simona

[floral latch]

I wanna see you do well in ts without having alna

[wet hedge]

earlier on you also want like oden/trish

but once your roster develops more you'd slot ivan into ashem

[normal zodiac]

Thats if you wanna get them. The comp wont die without him

[normal zodiac]

I already dont do well in TS so jokes on you

[floral latch]

Makes sense

[vestal sparrow]

It really comes down to what your definition of necessity is. If you are talking about heroes that have no sub like ashem and liberta then alna isn't a necessity

[floral latch]

Alna is a 100% necessity

[wet hedge]

alna is pretty comfortably #3 celepo in the game atm probably

[floral latch]

And you say that she's not a necessity

[normal zodiac]

I can agree with that

[wet hedge]

but it's not like your account is fall flat if you don't have her

[floral latch]

Are you drunk today or what

You're basically contradicting yourself

[wet hedge]

ok it's like this

there are investments that are just good

[floral latch]

She's the #3 celhypo in the game but she's not a necessity, what?

[wet hedge]

and then there are investments that you must have otherwise some core part of the recommended progression track breaks for you

[floral latch]

That's you without alna

[wet hedge]

for instance, if you don't have rem, early game is not going to work the way we prescribe it to for new players

hence rem is essential

[floral latch]

If you don't have alna abel/rem in ts ain't working after a few ts

[wet hedge]

another example: if you don't have bert M by ch31/33, charm will not work for you, and thus you'd be walled for a very long time

which is why bert M is essential

another example: if you don't have ashem by mid game, you'd lose out on another campaign team and be walled, as well as lose out on an entire super high WR team, so you'd be in a very tough spot

[floral latch]

Even moving forward in chapters you need alna no matter what

[wet hedge]

so ashem is essential

[wet hedge]

do you know what chapter I got alna built in?

42

[floral latch]

And?

[wet hedge]

that's before all the crazy powercrept heroes came out

before atheus came out

before cruke, ashem etc.

[floral latch]

I repeat, and?

[wet hedge]

I used E+ alna to push to ch42 with frickin grez carry

you do not need alna to progress

[floral latch]

I just don't see the point you're trying to make

[wet hedge]

you just need to more creative

[floral latch]

Ofc, you don't need 99% of the heroes in the game to progress, but if you want your progress to be easier you need them

You have the most weird mindset I've seen

[wet hedge]

alna is a part of the "hey she's good right, let's just get her because why not", not the "without her your progression is gonna suck"

[normal zodiac]

Makes sense

[tardy vortex]

when should i start saving for star gazing room to get daemia, im chapter 10 right now

[floral latch]

It's like you saying "I don't need lib, daemia, ashem" so I'm not building them, i push with 2020 heroes to make my life harder

[wet hedge]

I didn't say that

lib daemia ashem are required heroes

your experience will actually suck if you don't have them

[floral latch]

You did the moment you said that alna is not a necessity

When she's a stable in ts

[wet hedge]

you can't just be creative and make charm work without bert

[tardy vortex]

?

[wet hedge]

save your gazers, use your diamonds on 10x summon

[tardy vortex]

whats the best way to get gazers? i only have one

[wet hedge]

you should not be spending diamonds on gazing until 15-20A heroes

you just get them from events and RGMs

(resource generating modes)

don't worry about RGMs for now, they're more of a ch31+ thing

[tardy vortex]

oh

[wet hedge]

its' the reason why we tell you to switch to TS focus after you get set up with your basic teams

[tardy vortex]

my bad

ohhhhhhh

[wet hedge]

so that you literally get more resources

[tardy vortex]

ok ok thank you very much

[wet hedge]

before lategame there is no diversion of investment path

[floral latch]

Make sure not to build alna because she's not a necessity, go for her after you get all the dimensional heroes from challanger shop in 1 year, that way you can have her by the second year

[normal zodiac]

My alt pushed top TS but gets minimal rewards. Maybe because I haven't hit 31 just yet or something but all i get is some baits, diamonds dust and hero shards

[wet hedge]

there is just get more resources and get a comfortable roster going

you don't have the luxury to decide to focus on one mode over another without signfiicant losses

[floral latch]

First ts is the noobs one

You ain't getting rewards from that

[wet hedge]

mocking me does not support your stance

[normal zodiac]

I personally dont wanna lose out on lava because alna will help out on my account

[floral latch]

I'm not mocking you, I'm expressing your idea

[wet hedge]

lets look at rem team

[tardy vortex]

ok so just beat 11-40, farm for stargazing, and then get daemia?

[vestal sparrow]

You got to get used to it, that's a marian special

[wet hedge]

I posit that daemia is a lot more important and central to that team than alna is

[normal zodiac]

You can only farm stargazer cards in tower which is at stage 125 for faction towers

[wet hedge]

and my supporting evidence is I see a lot of people who have alna not using alna there and the team doing pretty well

[floral latch]

And how is daemia surviving if you don't have alna in the front row doing the work?

[wet hedge]

in regions where top whales are pretty close in power

[wet hedge]

joan

rem 9f

[floral latch]

Rem 9f gets blasted in ts front row

[wet hedge]

by what?

[tardy vortex]

oh..

[floral latch]

By the enemies

Lol

[vestal sparrow]

What enemy

[tardy vortex]

ok way more work for me to get one character i love 😭

[wet hedge]

what are you possibly facing without alna built that can blast your team in 1 second

[floral latch]

Whatever you're facing in ts

[wet hedge]

if you face some awthalia dims comp

new break: you're gonna get rolled anyways

if you face alna rem alyca variant - same thing, you're getting rolled anyways

your alna isn't gonna save you

[normal zodiac]

Plus in some instances, a ton if damage can still bypass that immunity. My rem can die in campaign and alna will still be left standing

[floral latch]

My rem team had lower wr than my lib+raku team

[wet hedge]

if you face some mirror match where that guy doesn't have daemia and just uses like alna rem ivan or something

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And my rem is 9f e60

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that comp does not burst down rem in 2 seconds

especially if you also have joan

or if you don't have her use like atheus or something

your frontline is gonna hold for long enough for your daemia to ult

they can't just blast you down with lower invest heroes

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By looking at the fights rem almost always died before she could ult btw

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bro

you went daemia second

why are we even having this conversation, we literally agree

[floral latch]

We don't

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use rock

[floral latch]

Because I'm building alna next

[wet hedge]

ok

[normal zodiac]

Do as i say and not as i do

[wet hedge]

I would also recommend building alna next

but not second

[floral latch]

Then she is a necessity

So this convo was useless

Thanks

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I'm probably building khaz to A next

[vestal sparrow]

No don't i don't need more competition in R47

[normal zodiac]

Youre doing fine without her tho?

[wet hedge]

does that make him a necessity too?

[floral latch]

I'm not

If i had her I would've been top 100

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your daemia is also only M

[floral latch]

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you mean if you have a 500k diamond advantage compared to you right now you'd be top 100?

yeah I don't doubt you there

[vestal sparrow]

[wet hedge]

if I had 2 more wokes I'd also be top 100

[floral latch]

500k?

[tardy vortex]

wait is bronn good i just got him from the standard

[normal zodiac]

Same

[normal zodiac]

Nah still needs testing

[wet hedge]

that doesn't mean those two wokes I don't have are both essential

[tardy vortex]

alr

[floral latch]

Alna is

[wet hedge]

~350k of diamonds

[bright spire]

Kittyposting because this conversation is dumb

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End of story

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~50k of +30