golden-frontier-chat

[steep path]

Abrutus-chat when?

[warm python]

GF chat

[gloomy aurora]

well guess they will delete this chat when the event ends.

but why dont delete companions-links

[steep path]

[gloomy aurora]

I'll remember your bullying against me, Luceus

[steep path]

you know you asked for it

[gloomy aurora]

[potent otter]

Is this how we talk about how confused we were when spectating during a defense?

Our league leader and deputies were sending reinforcements all over lmao

[steep path]

what's confusing about it

[potent otter]

our league never got attacked and every time I spectated another league it was from the attackers perspective

so it just set the assumption that the battle is always spectated with the attackers on bottom and defenders at top

didn't help that the defenders were attacking a wall

which hardly makes sense. who is building these stone walls in a single night

[steep path]

yeah that one's weird

[polar vigil]

league 11 on s83-s88 good name

[potent otter]

How are they holding up?

[polar vigil]

they're in a map corner with no contest

260m down compared to our league

in terms of power we have a no contest atm

[potent otter]

Yeah the league under ours is 175m versus 400m.

But the actual combat power of that league would be far lower since they haven't culled the inactives as much

[arctic kettle]

Newer servers

[potent otter]

I wonder how many people in those smaller leagues are actually active

it seems like these other small leagues with close to 200 players only have 30 people participating

The competition would be far more interesting if they allowed leaders to have full control over their members because the actual combat power of these small leagues are a tiny fraction of what it says when nobody participates

[marsh lance]

u sorta can with mobilize

[arctic kettle]

They are dead. Very few people participating

[gloomy aurora]

Don't underestimate the power of zombies, Soaria. One who masters the art of necromancy can wreak havoc on even the strongest league.

[arctic kettle]

[potent otter]

The power gap between inactive and active will be massive once we get into the final stage

4 teams and much higher team levels

You might be able to steal a low level settlement that they were never planning to keep

5 formations eventually actually

[steep path]

can deputies also "mobilize" members?

[gloomy aurora]

yes they can

[heavy garnet]

yeah but they need to move that war-window at least 2/3 hours later

04:00-06:00 UTC is too early

06:00-08:00 UTC would be a lot better for many players/even enable it for some players

[steep path]

I just asked for 1 hours later

guess you could go more into details if the survey guy dms you

[lusty terrace]

Ours

[potent otter]

I'm glad that lilith would be able to see that this power imbalance issue is consistent across all regions

whether or not they address it is up to them

I guess in a way I'm okay with it since I get a free lunch

[arctic kettle]

Kind of have a dilemma

My league can try for a level 7, but I’m worried about power being spread by having 3 declarations

Our power is 259m

[cobalt plover]

hi guys

how can i change my capitl

because all the time all my squad starts from the first city

[gloomy aurora]

only the leader can do that

[prisma ivy]

I see my lige is not the only one having balance issues

[arctic kettle]

xd

[burnt nebula]

I think we are the balance issue

[austere stream]

You say something

[sage vector]

It's always league 11 x3

[empty scarab]

If you can't beat them, join them.

[polar vigil]

this event is insane btw.

atm 1153 diamonds/day

and we're still having over 17 days

[empty scarab]

+100 gems from first take bonus. Yeah, it's a good event, very generous.

[austere stream]

Not bad 😎

[warm python]

why would you spend your time hiding the gems/day? lol

[polar vigil]

bc i dont want people to know that all my mines are lvl 1 mines

[warm python]

lowkey favouring personal diamond gain over gems, but legit I guess lol

[potent otter]

Lol wtf is that league name

[austere stream]

Hydra? 😂

[mint fern]

Next Time, make the leagues 50-100 people and make the cities easier because of the less players. It sucks that we get so many afk players or not being able to fill the league due to the lack of players

[sage vector]

Its nice to get the stargazer cards from the chests from higher level mines too

just got 3 today

[potent otter]

I wonder how often this event will run. I'll be very happy if it's every month lol

[austere stream]

Yeah, pretty good source of diamonds

[polar vigil]

not only diamonds, lots of dust, diamonds, stargazers

like im surprised on the amount of resources i get

[warm python]

Best event so far by far

It's fun, it's challenging, it requires strategy, social interactions, planning, etc

Tbh, I find the GF mode more fun than the whole game itself right now lol

[potent otter]

The communication could use some work. Like why tf can't you see league chat unless you're on the golden frontier page

I have to manually check to see if there are new messages rather than being notified at all times

[sage vector]

honestly same

[arctic kettle]

Is anyone having some close battles? just a stomp for me but its still fun

[marsh lance]

Attack of the graces

[mint fern]

Bump

[placid locust]

not enough graces in my opinion

[polar vigil]

There are never enough graves, on next april first we shall all name ourselfs grace 1XXX numerical counted up for every grace.

[placid locust]

dibs on 1029 or 1229

[marsh lance]

1229 is my pin for everything

👀👀👀

[marsh lance]

We are many

Today 30 Grace will take a settlement

[flat dove]

Someone knows, if the frame is only for one league who take both city lv 9 and lv 10. Or if 2 league can have the frame, one taking lv 9 and one taking lv 10?

[placid locust]

the frames for taking the gilded city and gold oak are virtually the same so...

[steep path]

2 leagues can get the frame

[flat dove]

Thank you!

[potent otter]

Hot take but I think golden frontier should be server vs server with an mmr ranking system to make sure it's fair.

We need more interaction between players. Server chats are almost always dead

[steep path]

server vs server is lame

[frank crow]

no tnx, dead servers auto lose

[placid locust]

lots of servers take a slow death after like weeks or months of initial activity, server vs server will automatically make it unfun

[potent otter]

That's why I said do an mmr ranking

You only need to beat the other servers you're paired with

[steep path]

you really see lilith pulling out a functioning mmr system?

[potent otter]

They'll need to do something to prevent server death and actually have people talk with each other

They can either accept that nobody wants to stick with their game and design it to be a solo experience or actually implement social elements to keep servers alive

[steep path]

social element is stuff going cross server

[potent otter]

A game mode where everyone joins a single league for a no contest competition is hardly engaging

[steep path]

they just need to reduce the amount of players per league

the max capacity

[potent otter]

The issue with cross server is that the others in the cross server region are practically strangers

Communication is going to be worse between strangers than between people you can talk to every day

[placid locust]

nobody really talks in s17's server chat

[steep path]

nobody talks in game outside of maybe within clans

[potent otter]

Coordination between such individuals is going to suffer

[steep path]

even before a server dies

[potent otter]

Right and what I'm saying is that currently there's no reason for people to talk in server chat

There's no need to collaborate outside of your guild

[placid locust]

the only things that happen there are guild invites and the occasional sharing of lucky pulls

[potent otter]

I have to say that the lack of social interaction in this game is quite appalling

Even for a game of this design it's not normal for a chat to be this dead

[placid locust]

it's very dead yea

[potent otter]

In the previous game I played where a new server would launch every couple days just like this, the server chat was always popping off

People actually needed to talk to each other because server vs server was a thing

[placid locust]

more often than not it's the regional chat that's more active

[steep path]

we don't need server chats to be alive

as stuff goes into regions the server chat will become useless

[potent otter]

You need something persistent. Cross server chat that only exists temporarily is a joke

[placid locust]

is the warzone chat supposed to be temporary?

[steep path]

warzone chat is the cross server chat

[potent otter]

This games social culture is appallingly bad and other games do better

[steep path]

no

[potent otter]

Certainly doesn't help that the cross server chat every time I see it is full of creeps

I see the most insane stuff sent there

[placid locust]

what's your server tho?

[potent otter]

115

[placid locust]

oh

[potent otter]

For some reason the cross server chats in all games attract the most unhinged individuals and the guild chats are far more civil

I guess that's what happens when there are too many people in a chat and nobody can moderate it like a guild leader

[placid locust]

there's definitely a lack of chat moderation

region 6 just kinda moderated themselves somehow

[potent otter]

Chats tend to get more unified if there's actually something to work towards

Warzone is... They're people who aren't even in my golden frontier

[placid locust]

warzone has been there before gfrontier tho

it just exists as a permanent regional chat

[potent otter]

Right and what I'm saying is that there's nothing to unify the community there

[placid locust]

true

[potent otter]

No goals for the region

[placid locust]

in the end we're still bounded to our servers

[potent otter]

People would be less inclined to be a creep if they had to accomplish something and got kicked for being dumb

Do region vs region or server vs server. Whatever to promote positive and relevant conversations

[placid locust]

region vs region is actually a fire idea tho ngl

[steep path]

both have their issue

[potent otter]

If cross server guilds existed you could just do guild vs guild

But as it stands with how leagues are formed, you can't develop lasting connections to your league members

[potent otter]

What does this message mean? I'm trying to garrison my troops

[placid locust]

where exactly are you trying to garrison?

[potent otter]

pathmere

the one with 101 empty spots

[placid locust]

that probably shouldnt happen

[potent otter]

our league probably won't lose it but if we do then that will be some BS

[placid locust]

that, or the number of garrisoned teams hasnt been refreshed yet

[frank crow]

its always been like that

its bugged i think, and alrdy reported

[potent otter]

I don't think I've had an issue with this before when defending against an attack

I wonder what the issue is

[placid locust]

what im seeing rn is that phase 3 is poorly tested

[potent otter]

we are the test

[warm python]

Lol

[coarse jolt]

I was kicked form a league team just because i made a joke and lost all the future rewards bcs of this? can something be done against it or it is ok to let player have the power-trip mentality?

and no, it wasn't an offensive joke nor it was addressed to someone

[placid locust]

omg bruh scorching karst is also broken exactly like gloomdock vines 💀

[heavy mango]

That’s insane

[coarse jolt]

yea, having events where players have kicking power on such events is weird in general

[potent otter]

The deputies and leaders are the top spenders. Lilith gotta let them do whatever they want

Got that VIP status

[heavy mango]

What server are you in

[coarse jolt]

121

the diff between place 1 and 2 is like 900mil power +

[coarse jolt]

great way to lose more players lmao

the future events will have a monopoly now? xDDDD

[potent otter]

The "election" phase was funny. Whoever spent the most money got elected. Says a lot about the world we live in and the world Lilith wants to live in

But maybe you'll get lucky and win the prize of 3 tavern pulls for submitting a picture of an egg. Then you'll really show those whales what's up

[coarse jolt]

cool. basically you are at their mercy bcs they spend more money than anyone else

[frank crow]

does anyone know how the battle for a city works? When 2 leagues are attacking 1 city?
We had more power but we still lost because the other league got the 'last hit'?

[potent otter]

I have no clue. I saw this happen earlier and was super confused

Perhaps ask in bug reports

[steep path]

both teams will fight a copy of the city and the first one to destroy walls wins

however there is smth very wrong with this

we're not really fully sure what it is

most popular theory is that both walls hp are actually shared

meaning that the win is basically a coin toss on who lands the last attack

we tried asking CS guy but the one currently in charge of the account is utterly useless

all he says is "Please refer to your in-game experience" to anything you ask 😒

[frank crow]

@steep path @potent otter which one won, the weaker? or random?
Because if the weaker always wins then i have another theory

[woeful mountain]

how does this game mode work? trying to understand it since we’ll have it soon on classic version

[frank crow]

there are 13 servers per region here, and 12 leagues. You can join any of those, team up with your guildmates and other guilds/server etc.
Its pretty much about being active and coordination. The best thing about it is it gives lots of resources eg. 1k+ diamonds daily, 4k dust daily. There are relics like abex to upgrade levels, stats

There are war stuff where you fight other leagues for cities, you can attack, defend or both attack the same city. Taking highest lvl cities you can for most resources.The leaders can also mobilize the troops of their members. Its pretty good event, but still full of bugs and stuff to change, including the 200 member limit which makes only 2-3 leagues fighting and the rest are dead, can't garrison, and more

[potent otter]

I've seen the weaker one win. It probably is last hit since the time I saw it happen was when both got to the walls

[marsh lance]

We were very busy

[mint fern]

So, golden frontier was ruined by the league size, basically had everyone go to one league leaving everyone with 50-100 less ppl. And the amount of inactive people made it pretty unbalanced

[polar vigil]

I don't think that it was ruined that way, everyone had the chance to chat and collab even crossleague preemptively.

And if you're smart enough fair share of stuff aswell

or as the big leagues search for stronger / more active players, you always had the chance to swap in the midgame - I see it as a big ressource farm, where active players profited a lot.

If it'd be a 50players in each region you couldn't fit 2 guilds in it. But say we'd do 60 or 90 so 2-3 guilds. It'd suffer from the same issue, even worse it'd be less of a collab ressource farm and more of a pvp brawl.

---

And even then you'd have the balance problem, what if the top 3 guilds of a region choose to join a league? -> Its already inbalanced aswell.

What if you throw random people into random leagues and don't let them quit? Ppl become inactive and it will be a rng flip on who has more active players aswell.

So imo its a great mode, and inherently the balance was players noticing the map layout and collaborating on getting as much ressources together as possible. (But the war aspect is kinda okay-ish, but tbf not the main point)

[gloomy aurora]

[polar vigil]

F.e. if you collab against the strongest guilds and take both leagues arround the league with the strongest players you could have a 2 front war against them and prevent them from advancing and getting ressources.

[potent otter]

The ability to move troops around so easily makes it very difficult for smaller leagues to put a dent in the top league so long as their leadership is remotely capable

Even banded together all you need to do is focus down one battle then reuse the troops for the next

[polar vigil]

Thats fair, but imo smaller leagues would just shift that issue to other balance problems.

[potent otter]

Defenders just need to stall for time so they need far less power than what gets sent

[potent otter]

This is true. Fundamentally the mode needs major changes if you want it to be a competition

But otherwise it's a fake competition with a bunch of free diamonds, emblems, and gazers

Which I guess is fine

It's just a weirdly packaged gift box

[polar vigil]

Yep, I nejoyed it and even ppl who get crushed later on are still eating good and farming a lot of daily stuff

[potent otter]

I don't think people quite realize how valuable the gem mines are

If they did people would abandon the smaller leagues immediately

[polar vigil]

Only weird stuff is smaller leagues that are being spawncamped

[potent otter]

Has anyone eliminated a league yet? It's a waste of resources and would take an immense attack force so I doubt it

[polar vigil]

Yea holy those free gazers, emblems and scrolls are carrying

[gloomy aurora]

Yeah I have

[polar vigil]

we've 2 leagues that are being held captive at spawn

[gloomy aurora]

By becoming its leader and kick everyone

[potent otter]

Lol wtf. Did their last city get taken?

[gloomy aurora]

no you cant take initial settlement

[polar vigil]

no they're basically stuck on a few citys, but were at 1 city (the spawn city)

[potent otter]

I'm curious if you can truly eliminate a league

[polar vigil]

no you cant

[potent otter]

Well that's good. Not like anyone should do it since there are more meaningful tactics

[gloomy aurora]

[polar vigil]

the other ones are inactive leagues

[gloomy aurora]

the blue one

7

[potent otter]

The #2 league completely gave up on fighting for control over the center. As in they just didn't declare any attacks and just focused on an unsuccessful defense

[polar vigil]

a lot of power struggles, so people just took what settlements they were able to with inactive players

f.e.

my duo doesnt play this event

[potent otter]

I wonder if they will make some sort of system to help players choose a capable leader rather than just going with whoever is more powerful

Lots of leaders and deputies who just aren't awake during the fights or don't know strategy

[polar vigil]

he is our weakest player

[potent otter]

2350k? Are they even participating lmao

[polar vigil]

no

[polar vigil]

i wrote him a dm to upgrade

then he went from lvl 160s to 200s

and never came back xd

[potent otter]

It seems that whales let their brains atrophe when they no longer need strategy to beat the game

[polar vigil]

but not everyone can enjoy events like this and that is fine - that'll be the activity balance - same problem as abex has

eventho this event is really passive, some people dont even want to bother with it

half of my guild didnt participate eventho i explained the rewards to them

(they're daily active on afk - but maybe they only have 5min for dailies) - i wont bother to tell them what to do if they dont want to thats fine for me regionally on this s84 ^^

[potent otter]

I think sending troops to mines and changing which ones you're occupying is too tedious

You even have to wait for them to walk

[polar vigil]

Yea it'd be great if its just an instant take

you can quit out join in and have the mine captured, but the troops will be locked for the walking duration

[potent otter]

It would be great if you just got fixed income based on the cities you took. The extra steps are tedious and make it harder for players to understand the rewards

If it was a solo thing I think it's fine to let the smart players benefit and let the others miss out but for a collaboration where you want to encourage participation you have to streamline things

[polar vigil]

Kinda, but I don't think that it'd change activity that much, it'd balance out powergain tho if you mean it that way. Which would be a benefit for smaller leagues.

[potent otter]

I wonder how many resources people think they stand to gain from this event

And whether or not the issue is that they underestimate it

Because I see more people pushing hard on kings tower and campaign than me

Yet those same people don't do the bare minimum for golden frontier

[polar vigil]

Prob underestimation... I already calced some stuff based on the things I saw on test and was like "hey guys stop, its a great event" while others were like meh.

And after people noticed how much these daily rewards add up, aswell as 1st take reward on the settlements I think ppl noticed. This time we can't complain the slighest about ressource gain.

But as you say there is no big red arrow that points at you if you don't bother with it that warns you that you potentially lose out on a lot of rewards.

[potent otter]

One big thing that I've noticed needs to be done is that, since this has a specific window of time you need to be online, there needs to be a big banner on the normal game screen saying "Battle in progress" or whatever

And be able to tap it to head to the event

I guess non leaders don't need to do anything during the battle but people don't even know that something happens that you can spectate

[polar vigil]

Yea they did a feedback survey or atleast i got one for golden frontier, where they asked if battle time is fine with 4 boxes

where I said in a custom checkbox it'd be lovely to have one day of planning phase and one day of battle phase - since not everyone is able to do the battles in the 2 hours that are currently given - becuase of regional timezones

[potent otter]

They're going to get half the responses saying make it earlier and half responses saying make it later

[polar vigil]

Yea, thats why I was like just make it a damn daily phase. Even if it'd mean doubling the event duration and halfing the reward gain or w/e

[potent otter]

I don't even know how a day of battles would work though

[polar vigil]

mh true with the current system it wouldnt

[potent otter]

It'd just be simpler to have a sol and lun bracket

[polar vigil]

I thought about a turn based thing like end of day every action would be set against each other

[potent otter]

Also it'd be nice if you could declare an attack immediately after the battle phase is done because the guild deputy or leader might be awake when the battle is over but have to sleep through the period where they can declare attacks

Thus greatly reducing the window for players to rally to the attacks

[potent otter]

Also when our leader took all the troops from a city defense to reinforce an attack I thought they were insane but apparently the screen for sending troops doesn't specify where they're garrisoned

Which is just absolutely bonkers when there are locations you cannot risk pulling troops from and the fact that it could either take 2 minutes or 20 minutes for reinforcements to arrive depending on where you sent them from

I thought it was something sensible like tapping a city and saying "I want to take people from here to send somewhere else"

Instead if a leader wants to move troops properly they would have to make an excel spreadsheet with a list of every team and where they're located

[mint fern]

I have the strongest guild in my server, and had most of my guild in my league and this is how it ended

[mint fern]

Same

[polar vigil]

Yes but did you communicate a lot with people, made regional alliances with other guilds of other server and so on

Its a regional and not server event - and just strategic mapping. So you can do a lot of work through communication alone.

[mint fern]

Yeah

[mint fern]

Pretty sure I did everything right

Just the other league is 3x our power with a full league, while everyone else has afk players and 50-100 less ppl in their league

[polar vigil]

Depends, scouting mid game, talking to strong players of inactive leagues (thave have active players) to get them to your league.

Talking to the other strong full league to let you get Oak or atleast a T9 in the center zone and other stuff

Obv you're at a mercy of another league

but at that point I'd have dipped out earlier on

and asked the other league very early to join with your whole guild

and communicated that you now merge like 2-3 days into the event with the strong league to make the strong league even stronger ++ save yourself the rewards

[mint fern]

I dmed as many ppl as I could and collaborated with another guild in my server, most didn’t respond and most ppl aren’t playing

[polar vigil]

I believe I don't do everything right and prob didnt for the event aswell, but if you coop you have infinite possibilities and sometimes you need to dip and say well we have a league, but we have no chance in a war later on - lets merge.

And ask whether the other league would love to get 20-30 strong active people from you

and dip on the randoms or if they have the space to merge with even more ppl

[polar vigil]

same i dmd 100+ ppl but did it from another position, I scouted strong players from the only dangers away from their leagues into our league f.e.

and i dipped out of 2 leagues

i build the 2nd strongest league and asked whether we would play with 2 leagues coop

or if we dip into one, we decided to dip into one

[mint fern]

It wouldn’t let me dm other ppl in another league, only the ppl that weren’t in a league

[polar vigil]

you can dm other ppl out of other leagues

you press on all leagues, copy paste a text, press on the league, press on their pfp and then dm them

and just spam paste your text

[mint fern]

Like I tried and my game would glitch out and not open a dm

[mint fern]

Yeah I dmed everyone that wasn’t in a league, that one section in the settings

[polar vigil]

not giving you blame, but I think saying "I did everything right", is wrong if your league is not in the center imo

[polar vigil]

but that does nothing, you need the strong active players that upgrade the vault, getting some folks that arent even in a league matters little.

[mint fern]

Maybe true, I just don’t think there’s enough active players to support 200 player leagues. That’s the only thing I’m arguing

[polar vigil]

I think that has to do with ppl being inactive

[mint fern]

I know that, it’s literally the fact I couldn’t dm ppl that were already in a league

[polar vigil]

And I think thats not liliths fault in a beta, maybe they'll make smaller teams but you'll have even more problems

because things will be more contested

and you'll have even more cross region coop shenanigans

where you just block people that do not ally with you from getting ressources at all

you cannot balance that mode as it is.

[mint fern]

Well now I just did it and it works lmao, literally the first 2 weeks it wouldn’t let me. I swear haha

[polar vigil]

^^ is rough

the inactive leagues left f.e. a lot of space for smaller leagues that are semi-active to take

[mint fern]

I think this mode could be more balanced by placing in a league by their server and then let things shake out from there

Making it auto join everyone that’s played in the last 7 days or something

[potent otter]

Why wouldn't they want everything

The lv 10 gives the best nodes and the lv 9 gives 10% boost

[polar vigil]

Yep thats how things are sometimes. If you see something like that happening early on and they are not negotiating early on or well if you were late to the party - that is unfortunate but it is what it is.

[potent otter]

What do you have to offer in return for reducing the other leagues income?

It's not their responsibility to share

[polar vigil]

Well there could also be a frame for everyone for free aswell as ressources, but thats no how lilith wanted things to be.

[flat dove]

We are just 2 league active🤣

Others doesn't care of this event

[potent otter]

Right but taking both cities is beneficial so why would the #1 league give it up

[polar vigil]

Bc they're stupid and don't calc through the reward gain

Its just a mobile game for most ppl anyways, right.

[potent otter]

Unfortunately the game mode is currently designed with very few balance checks and no provisions for 2nd and 3rd place carved out

If a league wants to monopolize then that's that

[polar vigil]

I mean look green tried xD

[potent otter]

Lol wait did they delay taking the gilded city and golden tree by a day?

[polar vigil]

Yea because they negotiated, allied or w/e early

everyone spawns in equally matched early on

but then people align

That is the current meta for this event and most people do not give oak.

[flat dove]

In our region, we are few

There's a lot of inactive

[potent otter]

Now you know that this is a game with lots of people who quit

[flat dove]

Yes if they don't merge servers, this game is gonna die before the classic one

[potent otter]

The most fair way is just to do a points system and then hand out fixed rewards based on where your league ranked

You can control how much each league gets in relation to the other

But instead it's a situation where one league gets 75% of the available resources

Maybe 75% of the important nodes is overestimating but I imagine the top league is earning 2x the 2nd league

And then just forget about any of the others

I will say that I've never seen a game have a competitive event like this last an entire month

Usually I might see a group vs group setup where one wins and the other loses and an mmr system where on average you have a 50% winrate since winning one event means fighting a stronger opponent the next and losing means facing someone weaker next time

In essence that type of system guarantees the same average income over time

[tired compass]

For you too, the difference in power and active members is ridiculous?
Too many inactive people... 🙄

[coarse jolt]

at least 2 league are quite high

look at this sh

they gotta reduce the members number

[tired compass]

💀AFK event bruhh

No challenge...

[potent otter]

Yeesh. We left an open fort for the league beside us and their attack is about to time out

[mint fern]

Agreed

[potent otter]

A reduction in the member count might reduce the amount of available rewards for everyone since it will be less likely that you can join the top league. There will always be a top league that filters people out for those who are stronger

If your goal is to balance the strength of leagues then the member count is not the issue

[marsh lance]

I see no point in blaming bigger accounts for banding together. makes sense that we want to maximize rewards tbh

diplomacy is just as important as strength in this mode imo

[potent otter]

For golden frontier the p2w determined who had the most attractive league but as long as you did your daily stuff then it wasn't hard to get into the top league

The levels and boosts from the relics mattered more than team comp

I had absolute trash for my 3rd to 5th teams that got multiple kills

I literally tapped randomly around my box to fill those spots

The strong beating the weak will always hold true. The issue is how the rewards system is handled.

And the fact that you have to stay losing for a whole month

Instead of it being a 1 week thing

[last adder]

Is golden frontier a monthly event? Will it come back once the current one is over?

[empty scarab]

No one knows for sure, but personally I doubt it will be back straight away. I imagine the devs will analyze the event and make changes to it, as well as develop the game mode some more.

[frank crow]

it was too much free rewards, they'll make it twice a year

[warm python]

Test server has it again in 3 days

[empty scarab]

Holy test server privilege!!!

[placid locust]

"hey can we have golden frontier?"
"we already had a golden frontier before."
"i know, but what about a second golden frontier?"

[empty scarab]

A second Golden Frontier would be... golden.

[placid locust]

this game mode certainly extends the frontier of free resources

[empty scarab]

Yeah, it's legit a generous event. 🙂

[potent otter]

I do have to say though. An entire month where leaders and deputies may have to way up early in the morning or stay up super late at night is just incredibly unhealthy. And to have that be permanent rather than just a 30 day period is even harder

They are going to have to provide a proper solution to scheduling issues that doesn't just involve "give deputy to someone in America"

[marsh lance]

Actually terrible for us Americans too 😭

Seems my Eastern Asian friends are the mvps lol

[potent otter]

It's okay if you're on the West Coast

Pretty late if you're east coast

You basically have to live in the middle of the ocean for the optimal time

[sage vector]

Yeah, it starts at 2pm over here in aus and my leader had 1am 😭

[eternal gorge]

hopefully everyone pointed that in the survey

[steep path]

Europeans likely asked it to start a few hours later

[zinc whale]

best time for it here on the west coast, 9pm

[warm thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-haimark-the-room-gif-13081919

Hey there, Montes

[placid locust]

all's well that ends well

[warm thicket]

Seems like you didn't have any mad germans

Because we did

[marsh lance]

The penalties for leaving a league aren’t great

[feral wasp]

This was the best game mode so far, thank you Lilith for destroying it

[lusty terrace]

What penalties?

[spice thicket]

What happens ? Any news in sever test ?

[warm python]

Old gems per day values

New gems/day

So

• We have 5 less mines max

• Gems/day goes from 1/2 on lowest mines down to >1/3 on last
  ----> That means, the more developed your league, the less rewarding mines become in comparison to S1

• Additionally, a new bonus wit 20k gems/day is obtained from relics. That aims "supposedly" to reduce the gems' obtention daily from leagues despite their power, which can be seen "I guess" as a way to help lesser leagues or those less tryhard.

Which makes barely 0 sense when they are also implementing pay to wind methods in the PvP core of the mode

[empty scarab]

How are dust and diamonds from mines affected?

[warm python]

Unaffected

People will buy these tainted boost power packs lol

[empty scarab]

Thank you, Montes.

Look, I don't like the changes as much as everyone else, but it looks like the event will still be quite helpful in terms of resources gained, even if it is a fair bit less. I'm going to reserve my full judgement for now.

[warm python]

Count on 20% less

Since 21 mines Vs 26 before

The problem with the event comes from

• Drastic measures towards league swaps
• P2W bs

[heavy garnet]

Other than that p2w bs, I expected those changes but that pvp boost pack are pure hot garbage

They really beta-testing stuff with us 😂

not even classic got a p2w event for now I believe

it's like giving a ability boost for AbEx if you spend $$

[empty scarab]

That's a pretty funny way to see it!

[last adder]

Can’t find frontier in the calendar anymore. Did they cancel it?

[frank crow]

ohh they did lol hopefully

[warm python]

Nah, it was announced on today's mail

Bunch of people quitting right away

Great opportunity for new comers to purchase accounts on server 1 lol

[gloomy aurora]

[heavy garnet]

Will be probably hard, new comers won't buy accounts in a new game and classic players already played or play companions, whales don't buy accounts anyway

[warm python]

So. The 2nd tab with 6 relics, after unlocked in terma of requisites.....surpirse, it is also pay to obtain 😂

[empty scarab]

Oh dear.

[empty scarab]

Is the map for GF season 2 the same as season 1's?

[warm python]

Yes

[empty scarab]

Thanks, Montes.

[warm python]

Just can have less mines 20 as f2p, 21 purchasing 1 relic

[placid locust]

there goes my hopes and dreams

[lusty terrace]

Will there be penalties for leaving your current league?

[neon burrow]

yes....

incredible penalties)

[lusty terrace]

What is it

[warm python]

2 days not able to claim AFK rewards
3 days not able to claim ceremony rewards

[lusty terrace]

Oh damn

[warm python]

Wow the golden frontier extra relics tab prices getting mad....

So far from the 3 I can see they cost:

• 3€ to get 5% more shells daily from loots (plus 180 dias, 5 faction scroll and 5 normal scroll)
• 5€ to obtain 500 extra shells daily (plus 300 dias, 40 silver, 20 gold)
• 18€ to get 20% extra dmg/defence on Vanguard battles (plus 1280 dias, 15 SG and 15 normal scrolls)

Those prices have no taxes since that comes from Test, so a lil higher once it hits live.

So that it seem, buying the whole GF purchasables is already over 100€, and a few packs are not yet unveiled (which are gonna be possibly the most expensive ones I guess?)

Very nice, coming from "I LOVE THE EVENT AND HOW MUCH RESOURCES I CAN GET FOR FREE" to "Do I really have to pay ONCE AGAIN to be competitive after I have already paid to be competitive????"

[woeful mountain]

[warm python]

Shells should be no problem apparently

Day 5, already making 20k easily

Not even counting loots

[frank crow]

did they mix the whole region now? I see players that werent here last time

theyve changed the bracket

[austere stream]

Meh, same as last one

[neon burrow]

full random

[frank crow]

Its the whole region for us, i checked

[austere stream]

Nice bullshit, GG Lilith you really want to players quit

[last lagoon]

Where do you go to even find that

[austere stream]

Click on 3rd team

[last lagoon]

Thanks got it🍻

[warm thicket]

Fr

[warm python]

Very friendly design

[steep path]

not usually the one to say this but whoever are the tards behind this do deserve to get fired on the spot

[last lagoon]

Sorry had to one up you❤️💛🌄

I just don't understand why it was necessary at all to add the p2w aspect to this. You literally do 1 to 3 things a day for a week or 2 then max of 4 things a day the last week. The adding the p2w just seems so silly. I can't see huge fights emerging from this like they hoped

[warm python]

Worst thing is how during S1 they conducted a survey and then had LONG discord chat conversations with some of us in order to understand the flaws and needs of the model.

I had a 1-hour conversation with one of them. With very in depth details and information on the flaws and solutions to the scarce problems the model had.

What a total waste of my previous time. These tards deserve nothing to be honest.

[last lagoon]

Thats absolutely absurd

Sorry brother. Time is most valuable thing💛

[warm python]

I mean, I teach as profession, so I am passionate about sharing and explaining

But, seeing the comeback...these guys deserve nothing at all

[flat dove]

Great job lilith🤣 this an event only for pay to win, useless spend time on this

[last adder]

They probably expected you to give them ideas of new p2w options and you just disappointed everyone by talking about QoL features and general game improvements

[flat dove]

Everyone told lilith that this event is not balanced, and obviously they add team for pay to win. Good game lilith🤣

[austere stream]

One step closer to uninstall 😎

[neon burrow]

Maybe tag someone in the chat room from the team so they read this?

[warm python]

I already insulted them in bugs channel

[flat dove]

Yes, this game would not least 1 year

[austere stream]

It's 6+ months for me, and I'm nearly care about it,just login daily to do dailies and forget about it

[neon burrow]

Looks like we're all gonna be casual wankers.

[valid tinsel]

Everyone from server 56, we can all go into the same league and not compete

[warm python]

Is that from real servers or Test server?

[valid tinsel]

Real

[signal mountain]

Server 1-10 I guess is a battlefield compared to that

[onyx gust]

how to kick people from alliance?

I am a deputy but there is no options

[last lagoon]

Csnt till day 3 if like last time its annoying

[mint fern]

Dumb

[last lagoon]

Yea really really stupid.....I thought they would've fixed that

[mint fern]

Yeah I was trying to build a good league with my guild and other guilds from other servers

[quaint crow]

From support

[austere stream]

Can I kick myself? 😂

[echo heart]

Is it possible to stop the attacks on cities?

[frank crow]

if you mean cancelling a rally, no

[echo heart]

damn

i didn't check cities' power and started attack on tier 3 city lol

[frank crow]

how much is the power😗

[echo heart]

188M

Our league have nearly have 90 inactive people so it is impossible to beat right now maybe after kicking and getting new members. It will be possible

[frank crow]

50m should be able to

[echo heart]

really ?

are you sure ?

[frank crow]

bot cities are weak, when you fight another league's city thats when you need to top off their power

[echo heart]

oh tysm

[frank crow]

just mobilize if its not enough

[warm python]

They did also remove the power ranking

Now you cannot even know how much power does anyone have...m

Basically join leagues based on....colours?

[austere stream]

xD

[true rapids]

But they didn't think about the guild shell mobilize loot!

[pseudo dock]

I didn’t expect P2W (Pay-to-Win) to be included in increasing the party

It’s a hassle when the ones who didn’t auto-rally are now really weak when you try to draft them.

[mint fern]

Pretty much any city can easily be taken till like lvl 6+

[mint fern]

And bots don’t revive and players do (pretty sure bots don’t revive)

[warm python]

That's not accurate at all

[last lagoon]

Hahhaa

[mint fern]

Ok

[empty scarab]

bots did eventually vanish from battles in season 1 though

[pseudo dock]

It seems like bots just occupy empty cities, and because there’s no mechanism to abandon cities, they don’t respawn in the end

Do you think a level 5 bot city can be occupied with around 100M power?

[empty scarab]

The bots are quite easy to beat. I've seen a small number of strong teams lose ground to the bots, but the bots being wiped out. In that case the league I was part of had to reinforce the rally to cross the field to the wall to take the keep on time.

I would say, as long as the teams are sufficiently leveled up, 100M power should be able to take a level 5 keep. Might be a bit of a fight, and might need reinforcing if there are other untapped forces, but should be doable.

[pseudo dock]

Thank you! I’ll give it a try!

[empty scarab]

Good luck, I hope it works out.

[ashen crest]

Can’t do 💩 here, can’t see battles or any league stats for anyone, nvm the battle switch is just janky, still can’t see kill count list tho

They make you wait for your teams to do return trips before getting new node 💀

[neon burrow]

Who can explain? What it means?

[low hollow]

It is written: while the weapons are being bilized, the team's combat rating has been lowered.

)

[neon burrow]

Still can’t catch

[frank crow]

whats there to explain, that just means your team will get weaker and easier to beat

[neon burrow]

I understand it, I can’t understand how to avoid reducing

[frank crow]

to avoid it is to not do the mobilizing. Thats the point, you risk being weak but you gain shells. If you dont do it then you wont get weaker but you wont gain the extra shells

[rancid relic]

Does anyone remember the new rules in place for leaving leagues? I should say the new penalties. I remember there was no claiming resources nodes and I think another part about no claiming from the victory parade. Does anyone know the specifics though?

[warm python]

2 days resources
3 days ceremony

[oak cairn]

This part I don't understand. Are they saying the more I am looted, the more attentive my team becomes?

[rancid relic]

Does it go into effect as soon as you leave the league or when you join a new league?

[warm python]

I don't know that part

[last adder]

Is it possible to cancel a rally?

[warm python]

as leader? no

as a player? yes. cancel and send attack to other place.

[last adder]

Was talking about the first option. Thanks

[mint fern]

Does anyone know when day 3 of golden frontier starts? Like in how many hrs from now or something?

[empty scarab]

Isn't day 3 about to end?

I think the next day starts either after the rallies or after the celebration event, which lasts for 2 hours.

Next day should start in a bit under 3 hours.

I think...

Just saw it was answered in chat. 👍

[woven bluff]

Hey, so like...how the heck does this work? I've started it on my server but I'm not sure how to work together with my team or what to do besides occupy resource nodes

[empty scarab]

If you are the leader or one of the deputies, then you should talk about where to expand each phase and how to strategize. Only leaders and deputies can start the rallies, and manage them.

During the rally phase leaders/deputies can move troops around between rallies.

After the rally phase (which lasts 2 hours), there is a 2 hour reward ceremony.

After that, there is the strategy phase, which lasts like 20 hours. This is the phase during which rallies can be declared.

If you aren't one of the leaders, then all you really have to do is take the mines, upgrade the relics in Vault of Riches (strengthen your troops), and I guess participate in discussions if you feel inclined to.

There's also the seashell related raids, those are new.

I think those are done during the strategy phase.

It's all a bit confusing at first, but fairly simple once you get used to it.

[oak cairn]

How do I wake my team up for loot defense?

They are always sleeping

[empty scarab]

good question! 😂

[pseudo dock]

It’s not good when the leader and sub-leaders have the same level of authority. At the very least, I wish only the leader had the power to kick members. I’m the leader, but a sub-leader did something terrible — they kicked 10 important members and then left the guild.

[pseudo dock]

We managed to take the level 5 city successfully — thank you! If it’s a bot city, I think 60 million should be enough.

[warm python]

Only sit people you trust on Deputies.
If you have none, just be a knowledgeable Tyrant.

[pseudo dock]

Thank you! I’ve decided to become a well-informed tyrant!

[mint fern]

These are all new people, does anyone know when their power will be updated?

[frank crow]

when they play the game and put formations

[mint fern]

So rally?

[frank crow]

just formations

[mint fern]

Ah okay

[mint fern]

Just a glitch or something?

[polar vigil]

quality > quantity

If you've ever played Arena and watched at the logs even once, its mostly 2 teams vs for all 5 battles.

As I said spending means almost nothing. For this event
Espacailly not when people chat and draft leagues out again.

Penalty is avoidable through people

and drafting/aligning leagues is also again more important than other stuff

Am thankful for melchior and grace tho, because I'm not that active this time.

[last adder]

How do you move people between the rallies? Haven’t seen that option

[frank crow]

you can do that during siege phase, if youre a leader or deputy

[last adder]

Before the actual attack begins, right?

[frank crow]

during attack

[last adder]

Alright. Thank you

[spice thicket]

i have a question
so basically we can not farm mine 8 9 10 without paying right ?
i don't see any way to increase team number ?

[warm python]

Why not?

[mint fern]

Yeah it was making no sense

[onyx gust]

Sorry for stupid question, but how to fix this?

or avoid

[oak cairn]

I've been asking this same question for 2 days now ☝️

I have a six queue lineup and I'm getting looted by players with two queues. It makes, no sense

[pseudo dock]

In the Golden frontier, as far as I understand, it’s possible to set up 2 parties right from the start — even before capturing the Relic Vault. Is that correct?

[oak cairn]

Correct. 2 teams by default and then you can unlock a third with the Vault. Plus there are faction boosted teams for a donation 🫰

[pseudo dock]

Thanks. There’s someone still running just one party, and I was thinking about removing them.

[oak cairn]

Oh yeah! We kick single party players all day. My league runs a tight ship.

[pseudo dock]

I see! I misunderstood as well, so it’s hard to be too strict right away. But I’ll let them know that if there’s no change by the next war phase, they may be removed. Thanks again!

[spice thicket]

sorry i couldn't find it , how can u unlock the third team , which relic at the Vault ?

[zinc whale]

3rd team only unlocks at start of phase 2. No relic unlocks teams

[spice thicket]

ty

[young sinew]

p2w ftw is what lilith said 🙂

:):):):):)

[uncut monolith]

we are small community here on companion. If Lilith make the same p2w shit for this event on classic there will be outrage.

[oak cairn]

Its a free unlock for making it to Golden Suprmacy

Reading is fundamental

[marsh lance]

You cannot from my understanding.

There are three states - like really disorganized (Big debuff), slightly disorganized (medium debuff), then normal .

Seems like they cycle through as you start really disorganized and then your troops figure their shit out and remember they arent supposed to lose LOL.

as your 4 hr period goes the return to normal. Hence why I've been recommending folks arm as late as possible. You can loot early, but shouldnt throw in the gamble until others have spent stamina

Montes or Gabe would know better probably 😛

[onyx gust]

thank you very much!

[true rapids]

Are you a whale? If not, I don't see any issue, any team/ 2 team can beat a 6 party lineup really easy, same as arena

[oak cairn]

Psyche! A two team in arena going against a 6 team? Wishful thinking or trolling. Nice try tho.

The looting has made spenders weak on first loots but its fair

I understand

[marsh lance]

I mean if you are a 2 team whale then yes, you can clear, but someone with 6 teams is also more likely to already be a whale

[true rapids]

There is no much meta teams apart from Asolise and dim comp, arena fights are only dependent of this two comps ,nothing crazy and I'm not a whale

So nothing crazy from beating a 6 teams if 4 of them are trash

[sharp moth]

My 1 team beat 5

Nothing special tbh

[oak cairn]

This is best break down thus far TY

I got hit for half my stash and my team slept the whole 4 hours iiwii

[iron hatch]

What’s phosphorus?

[warm python]

gems

the ones you use to purchase relics

basically they added 2 layers (5k and 15k on phase 3) to get more AFK gems, while less gems from actual mines (from minus 50% to minus 30% gems in comparison to S1)

The attempt? Help smaller leagues to obtain resources etc

[iron hatch]

Oh I see

Why tf did they call it phosphorus

[warm python]

It is its name lol

[iron hatch]

Yea but phosphorus isn’t that colour or a gem

[mint fern]

Two suggestions:

we should be able to place defenders during rain

And leaders should be able to place anyone in garrisons for defending

[warm python]

You can

For 2 hours after siege ends

[mint fern]

Really?

I guess I don’t stay on that late, war starts at midnight for me haha

[warm python]

2 hours since battle ends till attacks can be sent

[mint fern]

I just send reinforcements and get off

[empty scarab]

Wait, can leaders also garrison league members where they want them? I thought everyone could only garrison their own troops.

[mint fern]

That’s what thought too, I guess I’ll see later after war

[empty scarab]

I'll keep an eye open for it too. 🙂

[warm python]

No, they can't. What I meant is that people can freely move garrisons two hours before rain starts

[last lagoon]

No idea why people take Golden Front so seriously particularly shells. You can get the rewards quite quickly😅. Then they dont do "that much". This format literally just feels like drama

[warm python]

Yes and no. If you are amidst the top, nobody will loot you.
If you are not, you can be loot easily and heavily daily.
When you bet 20k to earn +40k for a total of 60k, you can end up losing the initial 20k bet and no rewards. So, many people are on deficit daily.

[mint fern]

We just need a unlimited reward we can buy

[empty scarab]

Thanks, man

[pallid raptor]

Is their an estimated power level required for level 8 cities?

[mint fern]

Kinda seems you need about 1/4 of the cities power to beat it, but I’m not 100% sure

[pallid raptor]

Ok, also does that get lowered if another league is also attacking the same city?

[mint fern]

I think it’s whoever beats it first

[pallid raptor]

We had a league beat a level 7 (should be about 280m needed if dvided by 4) using 150m power, had another league attacking with 100m

[pseudo dock]

It seems like a bug or flaw in the current system: when multiple factions attack a castle held by Golden Bloodline, they don’t fight each other. The team that lands the final hit gets the capture, regardless of who did most of the damage.

[last lagoon]

Yep its all about quick fingers

[frank crow]

its been like that since s1 and was already complained, instead they put p2w features cz why not

[gloomy aurora]

[zinc whale]

I complained about the same thing when the event first started and thought it was a bug as well. On the first t3 city, we lost to a weaker league with only 30m rally despite having a strong 116m rally. Both leagues split fighting bots 50-50 then its all rng on last hit once both leagues start attacking city walls.

[mint fern]

Oh jeez

[formal slate]

Hi, playing on S173, why do i have error when i want to join to golden frontier event? it says that registration already ended, but i have this from beggining of the event ;l

[steep pulsar]

Means you missed the enrollment phase

Or your server won’t participate due to lack of players

My server did the same thing when they did the first GF

[formal slate]

Thanks for info 😉

[spare vigil]

Will server merge at some point to revive dead ones ?

[neon burrow]

hope so

[frank crow]

keep dreaming

[spare vigil]

Idk.. a lot of games like that do it

So i'd say "Keep hoping" 😄

[frank crow]

classic never merged till now, 1k+ servers

the only thing possible is cs guild

[spare vigil]

[steep pulsar]

Do we get anything for prosperity rank ?

[placid locust]

all the cool league names, and then there's "League 6" lol

[steep pulsar]

Typical league 6 behaviour

[pallid raptor]

@steep pulsar as far as i know you get some diamonds for having over 200 prosperity, not anything for rank per se, my league is approaching 1k prosperity so would be cool to have more milestones in the future

[lusty terrace]

Does anyone know how will this be. If we take the tree and won while green league lose. Are they going back to the starting city?

[visual lark]

How do I raise my shell storage limit to 20k to buy the pet from the shop rewards ? At 17k max rn and as far as I know I have all vault of riches f2p extensions

[frank crow]

just dont mind that max it can pass that

[frank crow]

you mean their troops?

[visual lark]

Oh thanks

[warm python]

Yes. Capital goes back to spawn point, and so do all the troops

[pallid raptor]

And broke 1k prosperity tonight, too bad no extra rewards

[leaden gazelle]

Average map (it's the current events)

[warm python]

Wow xD

[pseudo dock]

I thought the unpaid Shell debuff only applies when you’re conscripted. Is that correct? Someone in my current league said it also applies when you’re garrisoned, and now I’m wondering if I misunderstood.

[frank crow]

if you garrison without paying, it is weakened.

[pseudo dock]

I see, so the in-game description for conscription must be incorrect then. Thanks for the clarification.

[warm python]

Yes, defending by simply garrisoning is SO bad.

You have to rally first, then cancel and finally garrison

[onyx gust]

)

[leaden gazelle]

everyone is at 1 exepect 8 (they rename so i don't remember well)

[mint fern]

Suggestions: only have 2 entrances to the final city so leagues can’t team up against eachother

More rewards for leaders and deputies to compensate for all the hours they put in

Can the Tree get flooded after rain?

[zinc whale]

We still teamed up with another league. Having 3 entraces allows for a 3rd party to interfere with or even team up with one of the leagues. Interesting events may be backstabbing each other as time passes or continued alliance. I like it the way it is

[empty scarab]

Sieges are balanced around the fact that multiple leagues can attack one. It is a lot easier to defend a city than take one from another league.

How many battles are there left after the upcoming (rainy day) battle?

[lusty terrace]

We won teaming with other league is better than one league has many strong players in it

Btw we have a kraken on our side

Only one

We will give it to the ArthiTex131. The gold oak tree

[empty scarab]

Does anyone know how many days of rallies are left? Is it just one more?

[frank crow]

yes

[empty scarab]

Thank you. 🙂

[frank crow]

[mint fern]

Well based on the new update, at least the top 2-3 are relatively the same strength so the top 2,3,4 teaming up against 1st i think is dumb. Next time I’ll just be a member

At least have defenses duplicated instead of being split, if leagues teams up literally gives no one a chance.

If Yggr didn’t team up the war would’ve ended with us splitting the center bc they are equal strength

[empty scarab]

Are you going to miss the event?

[frank crow]

no thats for that guy's deleted message saying team up was dumb hahah

[empty scarab]

Oh, haha, whoops.

[frank crow]

who dafuq will miss this ass

[empty scarab]

That's more like it! 🤣

[mint fern]

I revised my message

[frank crow]

still, its called strategy and balance (not rly)✨ but yes

[mint fern]

Ok

[leaden helm]

[warm python]

0

[empty scarab]

Thanks, man. 👍

[zinc whale]

Thats why they made the update to reduce member count to 160 instead of 200. It can help to prevent 1 super league from steamrolling everyone else.

With the balance to 160 (i hated it too it when it came out), we had to devise strategies to come out on top with more balanced leagues. We chose to run a duo league alliance so that we had enough space to accomodate alot of players that wanted to team up together. Now we share the entire inner circle and both have the t10 and tree.

The weak teaming up against the strong is also part of strategy. The weaker leagues understand that if they dont team up, the strong leaguer will come out on top. This was the case for us too, fighting off multiple weaker leagues who attacked our alliance.

I do agree that defenses being split up is not ideal. No league would stand a chance. Maybe if it was just combined defense of the stronger league against combined offense of all attacking leagues? Idk. If there was another way devs could implement this, i hope they will make it more fair than it is now.

[mint fern]

Yeah I tried teaming up with people at before the event started in the first place, I don’t like the idea of teaming up though. We also couldn’t move troops from one side of the defense when it was split up so we basically got screwed when we were attacked, if we could’ve decided who defended against the other team the outcome could’ve been different

[leaden gazelle]

if 2 league attack the same city the city is dead 99% of the time

[zinc whale]

Defense is also always at disadvantage because of the dumb shell spending debuff. If people dont spend shells to rally/unrally before garrison, then your defense is really weak and can lose to even a similar power rally from an enemy league. Rain just makes defense even more dead. Since you cant spend shells or even mobilize reinforcements

[leaden gazelle]

for me the dumbest thing of this event is the gilded city max garnison of 1100
if i run some math (160*3 = 480) and if everyone pay all team (160 x 8 = 1280) but lets be reel that will never happen

[empty scarab]

Lilith can dream. 🤣

[warm python]

You guys talk with little knowledge of how game works

[warm python]

Defense has no such disadvantage

Also, in a war strategy game the diplomatics and social aspect is equal, if not more important, than the actual game mechanics

So, knowing your enemies and creating strong bonds is crucial

[warm python]

Next, if you get cut badly, that means you totally messed up not knowing how mechanics work at all

Because getting cut is the number 1 priority to avoid in most cases if that may lead to a heavy loss of troops

[zinc whale]

There is. Because if you dont spend tide shells for your team, the weakened debuff carries over if you just garrison them directly

[warm python]

You have to attack 1st and then garrison

So you are basically in the same scenario as attacker

Relying on active players

Plus inactives to be mobbilized

• as defense all you need is stall

Not even win

[zinc whale]

Yes. Thats what i had mentioned earlier. But there are people that dont bother to rally first before garrison thus making up a weaker defense. This is also due to rain prevent any rally & garrison from happening that defense is extremely disadvantaged

[warm python]

There is no disadvantage when that condition applies to both leagues

It's just another mechanic you have to count on with and plan accordingly

But defences are actually in advantage Vs attacks

Attacks need to finish off the enemy to be successful

Defence only purpose is stall attacker

Which can be done in deficit

[zinc whale]

That works in an ideal world where everyone in the defending league is active and actually rallies first before garrison. Most of the time defence is at disadvantage because of inactive people on defense

[warm python]

You are just proving the problem is not defence or attack, but inactive people

Which is a whole different thing

[zinc whale]

Everyone is counted in defending, whether active or inactive. If everyone is actively defending, there is no disadvantage like what you mentioned. But we cannot expect every single person in the league to be active, correct? Therefore unless that situation happens, defence has disadvantage most of the time because of the weakened debuff if people dont spend tide shells

[warm python]

I'm sorry to say but that is simply not right

I mean, I have played 1st and 2nd season both live and test

And I'm the type of guy who have excels for things like .....time travel between all cities in the map....a whole HQ map with a code colour for all city tiers and all sorts of graphs and grids to min-max the content

And as I said, defending is FAR easier than attacking

[zinc whale]

If you are talking about overall defence, then i agree. A league defending has an easier time than attacking taking into account just stalling for time counts as a win.

I am talking about just the disadvantage a defender has if they dont spend any shells compared to the attacking league that did spend shells during their rally. This is easily seen by the red down arrow beside their teams indicating they have a weakened debuff on them. Offense is more likely to spend shells than the people defending. I have experienced this because 3/4 of the members of my league would rather attack than defend. If both leagues have everyone spend tide shells either offense or defence, they are the same and no side has disadvantage.

[warm python]

I totally understand that you refer to the red down arrow lol

But, that is in fact a good thing to have tbh

Rather empower active playing than leagues with deadbodies

Which is also another way to prioritise quality over quantity

And which also makes wise choices in terms of open attacks even more crucial

[zinc whale]

I preferred this in s1 over the weakened debuff in s2 that we have rn. A whale team that didnt spend any shells can even lose to a regular weaker team that did. Its insane

[warm python]

Why should inactive people be more relevant than active?

That makes no sense when they also introduce highly P2W features as they did on s2

But, the whole idea of active>inactive seems to be very appropriate imho

[zinc whale]

I felt it was easier to manage in s1 compared to s2. Now, i dont even know if mobilizing a certain number of teams with the debuff can even help win or defend a city because they are too weak compared to the enemy teams that arent debuffed. It is harder now because even if you send a bunch of wilder/shalltear teams, victory is not guaranteed. In s1, you could say for sure that sending those wilder/shalltear teams will give you good results

[warm python]

Many variables. Also you can have a bunch of active players who sounded say Siege Strategist

And you move them to defence where they are heavily disadvantaged

But those are points that need to be sorted the day before through league mail

Informing which powers to buy, where to attack

And more importantly what cities to choose for attack

And even what timing. Like you don't open all your attacks at the same time to avoid dumbplaying

And block afkers to mistakenly attack in mass the wrong place or the place that needs less troops

[zinc whale]

I see

[warm python]

I am just too nerdy. I play the mode to the limits using weird tactics like timing attacks and troops balance to search tricks such as
Cutting cities
Sending capital back to spawn
Move troops in and out the second before battle ends to avoid exceeding troops to be sent somewhere
And many other tricks and shady tricks to demolish anyone around

Also mobilizations I prepare them the night before, setting up the whole list of movements to be done on minute 1.
That way you make sure every troop is moved accurately in the initial 60 seconds without room for error and without unwanted delay

[leaden helm]

Just confused how I maxed out my diamond prod at 1500/d, when I was at 2040/day last time

Did they make higher lvl farms rarer?

I have the best ones that are available to me rn

[warm python]

We had 26 mines before

21 now

[leaden helm]

RIP

[zinc whale]

I dont do this, but maybe i should start doing so in s3

[warm python]

That is paramount..

Like.....

Where to
From
Units
Time distance

[zinc whale]

Crazy

[warm python]

That's how you dominate in heavily contested environment

[leaden helm]

never been happier to be in such an inactive region

[warm python]

A piece of my work

[mint fern]

Kinda hard to when it’s a 1v3 against the other 3 strongest, can’t protect everything. We ended up sitting in the tree. We thought for defense it wouldn’t split our forces when defending thought it was duplicated

[mint fern]

I also tried being diplomatic from the start and for the first 3 weeks, no leagues would team up with us since we were the strongest. They just wanted to beat us, so 3-5 leagues all teamed up against us. Literally nothing I could do to prevent that

[gloomy aurora]

[warm python]

By doing that map I even realized of how there are some huge mistakes on the creation of the actual city links

As I already stated early on S1, the 2 inner leagues of each region of 4 leagues have access to 2 extra T5 cities on Phase 1

However, literally all the leagues have the same pathings and distances in terms of total cities to all locations BUT one

The wolf league on the map, NW inner, has the 2xT5 inner cities at 1 city less distance, both from the spawn point and from the phase2 door.

So technically, that one league is the only one who gets not only inner T5s access, but a shorter pathing vs EVERY other inner league, making it possible to conquer 1 day earlier than any other inner league and MULTIPLE days earlier than any outter league.

However, truth being told, any NW and NE league is in disadvantage over the 4 South leagues once reached phase 3.

[mint fern]

Lmao, this will be in forever beta 💀

[gloomy aurora]

GF S3 Beta when?

[onyx gust]

record?

[leaden helm]

[gloomy aurora]

@frank crow or

[frank crow]

its 47

[snow oak]

67 actually

[frank crow]

[clear cedar]

Yo you guys think its better to join with a guild or solo my server is pretty new

[onyx gust]

Any info about new golden frontier season?

[surreal gazelle]

Join top 1/2 guild server, and go with guild one. Solo is default, so you maybe get more inactive teammates

[civic hull]

@surreal gazelle alr didn't notice your msg lol

[onyx gust]

Any info about new golden frontier season?

[leaden gazelle]

a lot why ?

[onyx gust]

Why what?

I was asking someone because in old servers the expedition starts earlier

[leaden gazelle]

wjat do you want to know

[onyx gust]

What is new that wasn't in the previous season

[leaden gazelle]

a lot

ahah

[onyx gust]

what exactly

[leaden gazelle]

nesw map

new fighting mechanique

new way of matchmaking

and nerf on shell

[onyx gust]

no buffs for mines?

[leaden gazelle]

nope

we haev less powerful mine

now

[onyx gust]

Are there also 12 leagues?

[leaden gazelle]

yup 12 but the map is a bit different

[onyx gust]

could you please show me the new map?

[onyx gust]

how many servers do you have in the expedition?

[leaden gazelle]

we don't know

we think its region so 12 serveur

[onyx gust]

no new artifacts?

[leaden gazelle]

don't know

[onyx gust]

thanks for the information

[warm python]

No new artifacts

But there are new mechanics in for leader/deputies during live battles.

Also there are more quest/milestones. Some of them unlock lootables and purchasables (caravans). Others are unlocked meeting some criteria in a limited amount of time (like conquer X amount of T5s and be top 60 of your league's activity rank)

Activity Rank is calculated based on:

• Attacks you send
• Performance on your attacks
• Being part of Vanguard battle
• Looting other leagues
• Mobilizing arms

[onyx gust]

Is it harder to make own unions now?

[warm python]

P2W features remain the same, and added ever more:

• You can still purchase 5 team slots
• The unlockable caravans have 2 purchasable sets, one with shells the other with Real Money.
• Shells shop now has a T2 stone to purchase
• But the daily shells obtained have been reduced, so it may be
  slightly harder to collect the 100k required to unlock T2 stone you have to play actively, maybe wisely and/or maybe purchase the relics to add daily shells and/or the Real Money relic that increases daily shells.

[warm python]

MUCH more

To begin with, NO ONE can leave spawn guild till day 5 (it was available on first minute before)

To continue, if you sign OATH and you leave you lost 5K and the ability to obtain 5 + 10 + 20 k diamonds.

To go deeper, the penalties for leaving guild continue, so if on day 5 you leave, you cant collect rewards on the new league for another 2 days and cannot call ceremony for 3 days more (as it happened on season 2)....

.....BUT NOW, if you purchased an OATH you cannot be kicked either to avoid the "leaving penalty" unless you are AFK for 3 days (which is the requisite to be kicked if having OATH)

[onyx gust]

So now it's mainly luck-based event

[warm python]

If you purchase OATH you have 1/12 of success

Best way to do it is simply not purchasing the pact and swapping League on 5th day

Unless your actual Guild is the Dominant and Winning party, then do Guild Enroll and OATH

In any other case, avoiding Oath is the best route imho

[onyx gust]

What if I don't care about 5k gems? Do I get any debuffs?

[warm python]

Long story short .... they are making the event worse and worse by each new season.

[warm python]

What do you mean with debuffs?

[onyx gust]

some decrease in power due to leaving a league with OATH

[warm python]

nothing changes regarding personal power.

It only helps a bit if you keep it

Having OATH gives you a 20% chance to basically resurrect during battle.

[onyx gust]

Are there less mines now?

[warm python]

Yes, season 1 was 26, season 2 was 21 and now it is 16

[onyx gust]

😂

[warm python]

There are slightly more T5 cities, but that is trivial...since you have less maximum mines so...

They are literally making it worse and less F2P friendly after each season.

Season 1 was literally nearly perfect mode

[onyx gust]

I only had the first season. Will it be the same season as you have?

[warm python]

2nd one they f.ed it up with P2W and unnecessary and idiotic changes

And now, they made it even worse and more restrictive and random.

If this is 2nd for you, then you missed the actual 1st one.

The one starting tomorrow is the 3rd ever.

[onyx gust]

😕

[placid locust]

i missed the first beta season

[lusty terrace]

16 mines nahh way

[uncut idol]

Why cant i join a league? Is it locked or what

[lusty terrace]

For us i think 16 servers

[tiny spindle]

Any advices for good league management?

[surreal gazelle]

Full, need leader to kick inactive member

[warm python]

Which can't happen till 5th day of the event.

And also, cannot kick members with OATH unless they have been offline for 72 hours.

[tiny spindle]

@warm python i see that you are strategist and real pro. Any advices for somebody who is playing expedition for the 1st time, probably will be league deputy/leader, got a lot of time and is experienced in strategies? What should i focus on first days? Attack lvl 3 city first or it wont be possible yet? Every bit of advices will be much appreciated ❤️

I am top2 on my server, our guild is top1 and we got quite a few skilled players

[inland halo]

^^ This

[warm python]

@tiny spindle There is no super short answer....

But, if you like the mode and you have time I recommend steps suchs as ....

Learn the map and the distance of every city so that you can fasten your reaction times

Be a freak and create resource calculators like that I did ahead of time to calculate the amount of resources you will have based on the prevision of conquers so as to plan relic purchases...(not longer very important given the new relic tree which has barely no options or multiple paths)

You can create charts of distances city to city so as to exactly have a quick way to know the travel distances....

However, mobilizing and other functions have been DEEPLY reworked on this new season

Then there is a HUGE social part into the mode. Being capable of convincing, tricking, deceiving, earning trust and managing hate will make it the cut whether you can win or not.

Considering it is strategy there is just uncountable paths to follow.

Also, as a leader I'd recommend looking for 4 knowledgeable deputies or deputies with a lot of time who want to be trained. Being a single leader dealing with the whole set of crap involved with expedition is really draining.

I could continue with the list for another hour, but I do not really want to delve that deeper tbh. Hope you found anything helpful in my approach.

[tiny spindle]

Thank you a lot 🙂 i will need to check the basic functions on the first few days and try to find a proper tactic and use for your numbers

[tiny spindle]

Should i attack today both cities - 3rd level and 2nd level if our original attack force was around 65 mil? Should i compare total strength or just strength of specific teams?

[frank crow]

1/10th of the city power is enough

[tiny spindle]

Lol seriously? I thought that it needs to be higher than city power. Thanks for info 🙂

[tiny spindle]

Nice avatar btw from HxH 👍 one of the best anime. And ant arc ❤️

[frank crow]

tnx, thats actually where i stopped coz its boring as hell

[warm python]

season 1 was 1/10
season 2 was 1/5, but also dependant on the amount of packs

Basically, even if 1/5 (which should be enough) with lower amounts of total teams you could still LOSE due to bad random placement of the units etc....

Anyways, there is NOW a LOT of NEW MECHANICs, including real time battle commands through a CARDS SYSTEM.

They keep over-complicating and adding new features nobody ask for to make the already working systems to become more confusing and basically worse.

[leaden gazelle]

that the old map nah

[tiny spindle]

And how it works when attacking cities of other leagues or defending ours?
I guess this time we need to have stronger force than defenders?
If i am attacking other city, can i send part of the army to defend after ensuring victory?

Can i send troops from siege A to siege B, then send them back after ensuring victory in B?

[leaden gazelle]

do someone know why i didn't pay to send my team ?

[tiny spindle]

If our city is attacked, can we send troops to help defend during the siege? Or we can defend only with the troops we have at the beginning?

[warm python]

You can mobilize to any open battle

[onyx spade]

Can we change deputies in our league?

[onyx spade]

Having the same issue
Deputies aren’t online during sieges to send troops to defend cities

[warm python]

Not till a leader is elected.

[onyx spade]

Ah okay

[surreal gazelle]

What happens if two leagues attack the same city?

[warm python]

if the city is the computer, both leagues fight the same version of the city, so if both leagues reach to damage the city the one landing the last hit gets the conquer

[surreal gazelle]

Is there any important information about this? Like, the best or most useful one?

[amber coral]

No point in strat if they gonna bug only our lv5 city but not other league 🤷🏻‍♂️

I ping them every where now

@urban skiff fix your bug on Roarhold

[mint fern]

Yeah they are making it take to much time for leaders and deputies for a AFK game

[inland halo]

Yeah it's ass

[empty scarab]

Are the oath pact diamond rewards just for the 1 or 2 leagues holding the tree and Gilded City at the end of the event?

[leaden gazelle]

ore just 1 if the league hold both

and other way you get 5k back

that it

[empty scarab]

Thank you.

[pallid raptor]

How do you use oath certificate?

[brisk shell]

You don't "use" it. You just lose it if you swap leagues

[onyx gust]

Will this frame disappear after 30 days?

OAth certificate can be bought again in a new league by 50$

[inland halo]

From what it's saying it makes me think the frame that you see will be permanent. And apparently there is an animated avatar (like what you get for ascending a pet) that will expire instead.

[pallid raptor]

@brisk shell it says you can use it for a friend though

[leaden gazelle]

nah the avatar is the frame they just have issu translating

[leaden gazelle]

yup every 30 day but every 30 its the end of next expedition

so as long as you win you have it

[onyx gust]

So frame will be permanent?

without animations

[leaden gazelle]

expedition is 30 day long

you lose the frame at the end of the expedition

so imagine i win this expedition i have the frame for the duration of the next expedition

and if i don't win the next one i don't have the frame

but not animated stuff are permanent

hope that clear

[tiny spindle]

If our league have a city and two different leagues will attack it, how the fight will look like? 😂

[leaden gazelle]

the defense of the city are split in 2

and then the league that give last it on the city win the city

[frozen siren]

How do I gift the oath pact that's for purchase...I have 2 of them in my inventory...it clearly states GIFT to another player

[leaden gazelle]

don't know moslty bug

or if that work click on someone in the expedition and see if you have the option to

[clear cedar]

You gift it during the oath pact phase next expedition

[tiny spindle]

Lol, bit unfair. Can I manage how defense is split or is it random? If random, its ewualling numbers or combat ratings of both halves?

Equalling*

[onyx spade]

Anyone here knows how “cloud cover” works & is it temporary?

It says it doesn’t allow teams to be moved between cities

[frank crow]

storm means you can't mobilize nor garrison, so you won't be able to defend during a storm

cloud cover is the day before a strom

[polar vigil]

7 teams, everything +30, almost everything t1, plenty t2 units even - and people plunder him:

[onyx spade]

Wow

[leaden gazelle]

random its just 50/50

[warm python]

That means today is cloudy (no effect) but tomorrow will be rainy.

Rainy means you cant mobilize troops during the battles.

So, once after today battle's with storm are over (8AM Europe time), you have 2 hours to place your defensive troops before the reset 2 hours later at 10AM.

And the day after rainy will be flooded. Where some random cities will have their wall %HP down to 20%.

Then back to Sun. After each Sun there is a RNG for either Sun or Cloudy again. You can have many days of sun back to back. Never knows.

[onyx spade]

Oh wow thanks for the info 🫶🏼

[tiny spindle]

Thank you a lot

How to place defensive troops? Manually by each player?

Or is there any way for leadership to do so?

[warm python]

DEFENSE:

• Players can place their troops on attack (spending shells) or defence (free) during the day till reset.
• Leaders and/or deputies if have permisions, can mobilize ALL troops during battle (2 hours)
• Travel time of troops is 5 minutes per city distance.
• Troops travel follows the shortest natural route through cities you own.
• You cannot mobilize troops to towns you have no connection too (AKA cut/uncut)
• A same city can only receive MOBILIZED troops once every 30 minutes since this new season (was 3 minutes before), so moves must be done in coordination and avoiding mistakes.
• Troops cam be mobilized from the MAP (click on destiny city, mobilize, and select) with 30 mins cooldown on that city, or using COMMANDING CARDS, which you can access as leader from the battle window.
• Mobilizing with COMMANDING CARD doesn't create a cooldown, but the card itself has a 10 minute cooldown. This card, since working from the BATTLE screen, can only mobilize troops FROM that city to ANOTHER one.

@tiny spindle

Ideally, what a good leader/deputy does on the night before:

• Check the battles status (locations, amount of troops coming in, out, defences, etc)

• Create a plan of "What will I move tomorrow as battle start"

• Next day, act accordingly avoiding any mistake on the rush of the moment, cuz the plan is already drawn.

• From that point, it starts the watch and retouch when/where needed.

• In this season, the COMMAND CARDS also play an important role, so being active and using them wisely can provide a HUGE diference in the outcome of the battles.

But, all that takes a lot of time, both in planning and performing.

So my recommendation is to setup a good team of leader/deputies and split chores.

1-2 taking care of all invites/recruits/kicks/advertising
1 taking care of the planning the night before
1 (rotating?) taking care of the actual battle commanding (2 hours)

[surreal gazelle]

Is disaster mean we can't atk? Or just we can send reinforcement?

[onyx spade]

If the players move their teams into another city before the next war, that’s fine right?

Only during the war deputies can’t mobilise troops

[warm python]

On rain nobody can move. Just send attacks.

Thats why I said you obly have 2 hours to move your teams, since the time battles for cloud finish, and till rain actually starts

[tall hare]

Because of this "who will strike the last blow" system we lost 2 insignificant cities despite the fact that we had more power there. This is not a problem now, but it is a random factor that even 10% vs 90% can win just because they were lucky to strike the last blow, in the future they will need to come up with a fairer capture system in such situations.

[warm python]

Yes and no

In order to win, both cities need to be in the enemy wall with a decent amount of attacking troops. So, you can lose vs say...10 or 20, maybe 30% lower power

The 1st picture looks sus. At 85% they shouldn't be really hitting the wall. Maybe with 1 or 2 lanes out of 5.

Also, considering the mechanics, going for same cities is a bad decision unless your power is way way higher to secure the fast kill.

Not worth to lose 1 attack banner on a coin toss.

[tiny spindle]

Thx for your answer 👍 currently i am a leader of top1 league, so i guess your advices are really good 💪

I dont like „who will strike the last blow”. After hitting 0%, there should be fight like vanguard - 5vs5 that decides who takes the city

[wicked dawn]

This mean my rally needs to be ready for a tower because i cant assist with afk players right?

[frank crow]

Im excited to see the flooding mechanic

It will make it super interesting to plan attacks

And defenses

[warm python]

It's random

So, it can be benefitial, detrimental or pointless

EXPEDITION for DUMMIES

mainly for leaders who don't want to repeat that on a daily basis lol

or players who may need some tips on what to do

[frank crow]

Thank you for this haha

I explain 20 times a day I feel like

[surreal gazelle]

How much power is needed to break through a Lv 8 Castle?