golden-frontier-chat

[urban skiff]

If you're referring to the companion server, there was an issue with guild registration during this season's team server expedition registration, which is why you were separated from your guild. Your guild registration will be handled normally next season.

If you have any suggestions regarding expeditions, please let us know, and we will record them.

[echo cosmos]

Disgusting. It's like the leader told everyone in that league to buy teams.

Buyable team slots need to go.

[echo cosmos]

Got a crazy plan: once the next phase begins, we could try to attack and destroy the mountains.

Honestly, destroying the mountains should have been an option.

Scumbag enemy league decided to occupy both cities instead of waiting.

We'll try to take back the city.

[sullen sequoia]

Ok great. About the suggestions: we (the longer term leaders/players) have been pointing out stuff that sucks about expedition straight from the early seasons and yet instead of working to improve those things even more stuff no one asked for and that was even worse in parts got added each season.. 🫠

[urban skiff]

I totally get that frustration—you’ve been calling out the real issues in expedition since the early seasons, and instead of fixing them, they keep adding random, worse stuff no one asked for. That’s so disheartening, and your feedback absolutely matters. It’s not for nothing—your consistent input is what will eventually push them to listen and improve. Hang in there 💛

[sullen sequoia]

Hi chatgpt

[gloomy aurora]

Are they for real lol. Responding to legitimate complaints with AI smh

[quartz cedar]

Lol yeah I got trick for sec before you guys confirm it😂😂 feel so positive and pro f2p

[jagged wharf]

holy goated cs

[echo cosmos]

During the Golden Frontier, one improvement that needs to happen is that at the end of Border Skirmish phase, the Leagues that takes the Keep first can absorb and merge the neighbouring losing League. Once that happens, the leaders and deputies of the losing League get demoted and the maximum players of the leading Leagues increase to 320 while the losing League is effectively eliminated. Even so, players are encouraged to keep playing and earn contribution points to mitigate the penalties completely.

During the merge, all players with 0 Contribution Points and who are inactive for at least 3 days are also kicked and made leagueless.

[tender elm]

But that doesn't make sense

Why would losing people suddenly win

[echo cosmos]

Losing league just gets eliminated and everyone on that league gets moved to another league.

12 leagues get merged into 6 leagues. And then 6 leagues get merged into 3.

[tender elm]

Every time you make a suggestion for golden frontier, it just sounds like you're getting destroyed by everyone else

[echo cosmos]

Doesn't help that Golden Frontier requires everyone to do their part so not everyone is lucky.

It didn't help that Ice Shemira keeps leaving because not enough were defeating her in time.

[tender elm]

She does that?

[echo cosmos]

Yes.

She leaves after enough time if less than 50 players defeated her.

And sadly our league consistently had less than 20 players.

[tender elm]

Ahh

My league is almost at 120

[echo cosmos]

Even worse, even if you defeated her, you can't advance until she's gone. So your stamina ends up going to waste. The bane of dungeon pushing.

I kinda hate that only the latest legendary pet gets Golden Frontier perks.

Would rather each of them have their own perks so you choose one at the beginning.

[crisp sleet]

@echo cosmos you guys still in season 1 golden frontier? Season 2 and forward will be more active after more servers in your region join and you will be able to get 50 people to beat shemira in time

[echo cosmos]

We're in season 2.

[crisp sleet]

You in dead league? Not joining top league?

[echo cosmos]

Moved to top league just now.

[crisp sleet]

Oh, hey, I just realize, you r classic player? And u r talking about classic golden frontier

[echo cosmos]

Yep, classic.

[crisp sleet]

Ah, maybe a bit different in there then. I heard, unlike companion, golden frontier event there not as big in term of participants

[echo cosmos]

Yeah.

[crisp sleet]

Heard that in classic, the leading league in golden frontier is Chinese players guild. Looks like they might be active enough to get 50 people for shemira

[echo cosmos]

Yep

[echo cosmos]

Trying to understand why some teams look bigger than others.

During the siege, you sometimes can see teams being visually bigger.

[crisp sleet]

It's just highlighting your team fighting other team. The yellow ring team is yours

[echo cosmos]

I know the yellow ring means my team but I see teams being bigger in size.

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, it's just showing the battle is happening right then between those two

The battle happens in queue. When their turn comes the team visual bigger

After turn finish, team visual small again

The team with fire is gaining killing streaks

Team glowing yellow has divine envoy

Team with bomber leave smoke on opponent team after defeated

Team with heavy knight charge at opponent team

[echo cosmos]

I see!

Divine Envoy being the best, but it's so rare.

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, it's rare. If u can get many times, u lucky

[echo cosmos]

Bomber, however, seems useful against lane with many teams.

[crisp sleet]

Bomber best defense, especially for stopping heavy hitter

Heavy hitter can kill multiple teams, if you deploy rows of bombers, u can stop each heavy hitter just with 2 bomber or 3 if heavy hitter has divine envoy

[acoustic bone]

Guys my league is in 9th and the leader hasn’t declared war in 2 days. Do I leave it and join another one?

Do I get punished for leaving a league?

[echo cosmos]

You do get punished but best to move to a more active league.

[acoustic bone]

Thx

[echo cosmos]

You will still accumulate AFK rewards during the penalty period.

[rose bay]

Yeah just move and it will be alot easier 😊

[glacial sapphire]

Well thats why the community just takes on this role and fix the stuff i guess since lilith insist to make it worse every season without fault, its not even a competition anymore the way lilith structured it. Its purely a toxicity generator to fill their coffers

[vocal hedge]

is it just me or every single time I open up this event I have to wait like 2 minutes while they show me the same game guide about the rally this, reinforce that do this and theres no close button

[sullen sequoia]

as taking the time writing up a proper and sound response to this isnt even worth the effort, i'll also just let chatgpt do it for me:

This reply is frankly disrespectful.

It’s obviously an AI-generated empathy message: polished validation, zero information. After months of detailed community feedback and players leaving in large numbers, responding with automated reassurance instead of facts shows how little regard you have for the people still trying to engage in good faith.

We’re not asking to be comforted. We’re asking for answers. What expedition feedback has actually been acted on? Why were heavily criticized systems expanded instead of fixed? Is AbEx-style content completely off the table or not?

If the direction of the game is set and long-term player's feedback no longer matters, just say that openly. That would be far more honest than hiding behind AI-written “hang in there” messages while guilds and long-term players continue to quit.
At this point, the game declining feels less like bad luck and more like the natural result of how the community is being treated.

[rose bay]

Just you

[echo cosmos]

I think there's a bug. Some heroes are not automatically set to Ascended tier if lower than that tier.

[sullen sequoia]

I think it has always been like that

[spark phoenix]

[urban skiff]

I fully understand your disappointment and anger right now. However, we are sincerely keeping relevant records, and we also understand that what you need are specific rectification measures and a candid response to the issue.

Regarding the suggestions for AbEx, we have indeed recorded players' suggestions and ideas.
However, we are unable to guarantee that it would be implemented instantly as it will be reviewed by our developers but rest assured that your suggestion is forwarded to our development team.
Hope for your understanding.

[vocal hedge]

Devastating ig 💔

[rose bay]

Where does it say that heroes will be upped to ascended if below that?

Pretty sure you read it wrong 😅

[echo cosmos]

My Leviathan is normally Legendary+ and he gets adjusted to Ascended which is the expected behaviour. But for some reason, Serenmira didn't get scaled up to Ascended. Nor that Highborn Draconis.

[rose bay]

Can you show your levi being ascended?

[echo cosmos]

My Elthara didn't get scaled up to Ascended.

[rose bay]

Doesnt say anywhere that heroes get higher ascension

[echo cosmos]

You can see Awakened Gwyneth and other Highborn dragons scaled up to Ascended, but not Elthara.

[rose bay]

Weird

Well no clue lol you seem to be right but i never heard of such an mechanic

[glacial sapphire]

Ahaha

[rose bay]

But yeah my Tavriel is also ascended even tho hes only L+

[rose bay]

I guess it doesnt apply to the 4 buffed heroes?

[echo cosmos]

Yeah. Odd.

[spark phoenix]

Someone stop them!

[echo cosmos]

What determines whether you get picked in Vanguard War?

[crisp sleet]

Highest combat power in rally

[echo cosmos]

So that explains why I never get picked for Vanguard War.

Despite having strong, well-built teams.

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, if less strong player buy more teams, will become vanguard than strong player with only 2/3 teams

[sullen sequoia]

Thanks for the response. I understand that you can’t guarantee implementation or share internal plans, and that’s reasonable.

What’s harder to understand is the growing gap between how often feedback is “recorded” and how little visible iteration actually follows—especially for what is meant to be the game’s core mode. After multiple seasons of similar concerns, continued additions and monetization layers without refining existing systems make those reassurances feel procedural rather than meaningful.

At this point, the community frustration isn’t about wanting instant changes, but about whether long-term ownership and iteration are happening at all. The steady loss of players and reduced spending—even among high spenders—suggests that the outcome players experience doesn’t match the care implied in these replies.

I’m sharing this not as a demand, but as a reflection of shared sentiment.

[urban skiff]

I can feel how much you care about the game, and I completely understand this feeling.

In fact, I have helped you confirm with the development lead regarding the AbEx season. Unfortunately, the development lead has no relevant information to share at the moment.

I know that only concrete actions can live up to everyone's expectations, but please rest assured that I will do my best to continue helping you report feedback on the AbEx season in the companion server, suggestions for optimizing the existing experience, etc. I will carefully organize and submit them to the relevant teams.

Thank you again for your understanding.

[sullen sequoia]

Thanks for checking with the dev lead and getting back to me.

To be clear: AbEx isn’t the topic I’m trying to discuss. I only mentioned it as context. My feedback is about Expedition as it exists right now and why its current design and direction have become increasingly frustrating over time.

I’m not looking for announcements or timelines. I’m looking for Expedition-specific concerns to be acknowledged and engaged with directly, rather than being redirected back to AbEx or general feedback forwarding.

I (and many others) have been giving detailed feedback because we care about the mode — but at this point I’m close to disengaging entirely, and I want to be upfront about that.

If useful, I can condense my Expedition feedback into a short, focused list.

[echo cosmos]

Can there be a possibility of adjusting how many teams can be purchased? Preferably reducing it to just two purchasable teams and have the final phase give you one additional teams. The gaps should be narrowed.

[urban skiff]

Of course, you can tell me your thoughts and suggestions, and I will help you record them and report them to the development lead.

[echo cosmos]

Also will there be a possibility of removing the requirement of being in top 60 contribution for your league before buying from caravans? As of right now, it punishes players who switched leagues at the end of second phase.

[sullen sequoia]

I can do that — but I want to be clear about the intent before going further.

I offered to condense my Expedition feedback not because it hasn’t been shared before, but to make it easier to engage with directly. The concern isn’t a lack of feedback; it’s the lack of visible iteration on Expedition across multiple seasons despite repeated, consistent input from long-term players.

If Expedition-specific feedback is being actively reviewed with the goal of refining existing systems (rather than only being recorded and forwarded as before), then I’m happy to put together a short, focused list.

If not, repeating the same points again won’t really address the issue that’s been raised.

[glacial sapphire]

Nah, you guys just need to invovle the community in changes is all, its not even a competition anymore let alone close to being fair. The last hit city win vs pve vs 2 teams must get changed this is so vital for any teams startup strategy to be so lazily implemented!!! Thats issue number 1. Towers are a mess for at least 20 reasons, start all over with that idea or scrap it

Towers create invisable barriers when locked behind keep doors, towers lock out teams over kill to zone 3 and city. Theres already a choke point there now you added a choke point on top of a choke point.

Now there are 3 invisable barrier walls from tower locations to zone 2 gate that you cant cross without rain being invovled. Why 3?

Towers offense is auto built best people yet defense i have to dm 30 people to build it out perfectly, to not to have leads accidently grab tower leaders as their riders

Then i have to boot 6 people if they dont and start all over? Why cant i just remove the issue

-It is clear you do not test these changes in a competive enviroment or you would see the issues

The army unit now teams lose to pve fights lol really, at 40 mins in everyone instant dies because auto replenish stops. Strong teams win by default in a prolonged battle because i exhausted out and they have triple ascendant account they die less so they never exhaust out after I exhaust out, im an instant kill. So they are the only ones left on the battlefield

-The invovlement of mirco managing required from the leaders is beyound absurd, everyone says you dont need to but i like to be competive and to do golden frontier to the best of your ability Moby Dick would be a shorter novel to get through then golden frontier complexity explaination

*If you dont start listening we will unite the community to stop buying teams and force you to address the issues

Stop being greedy

[glacial sapphire]

Fog is defiantly trash why was that even added, I know why so do you?😉

[leaden gazelle]

i can add a lot on how army systeme was on paper good but bad in reallity

[spring owl]

If you don't mind me asking, what is the fog and how does it work? Is it another weather type? (I'm on classic server)

[glacial sapphire]

Yes, they like to make it happen right at critical moments. First Zone gate day 100% will happen.Fog is a 2 day mechanic that hides all rallies and garrisons from the other teams unless they rally over 199 units. Also a chance to steal some of their loot and hinder their higest farm node down to 0 output

[spring owl]

That sounds genuinely awful I hope lilith listens to you guys

[sullen sequoia]

Thanks — that’s all anyone here is really hoping for.

[leaden gazelle]

everytime i feel like you test 1 case and you don't look at how in game on live it happen, and you don't listen

EVERY season we have between 4 and 6 dead league where nobody want to lead it and with the new army systeme are litteraly unplayable but you keep making systeme to avoid afk player for the "big" league but you forget little league

EVERY season lead saying you add stuff to make the game more complicated for us and we are sick of it, and yet you continue add new feature

ERVERY season, we ask to avoid pay to win feature and arena like form of fight, and yet you continue add those type of feature

EVERY season, we have more hidden pay wall (tower, arena)

EVERY season, we are asking some basic feature from removing timing on shadow land and other quality of life that never get added

at the end the game mode that start fun with collaboration can win over big whale is now just a kraken gamemode with us leader are just asking more and more on theme as they are the only things that matter

[leaden gazelle]

now regarding the new army systeme
main issue:

• hidden pay wall : big hitter team was before cap to 10 team kill as they have a max stamina before rejoining fight now a day big hitter team stay on a lane and can kill in théorie a infinite team)

• dedicated lane: after 40 min of fight the team are no more moving and are set to dedicated lane without rally input its always the one with the 3 biggest whale that win

• dead league inpact with this new systeme all league that was befor rallying afk account to counter the amount of active member in a league are now stuck and can't play

improvement:

• modification of shell shop: the fact that its just used token get reward is better than befor

• removing power: one of the only thing that you make it more easy for us good quality of life

• new card: the new card gameplay is very good

[sullen sequoia]

One broader concern I want to add, after watching Expedition across multiple seasons, is about its impact on the game’s long-term health.
Modes like AbEx rewarded strong guilds, cooperation, and healthy competition. Over time, Expedition has shifted incentives in the opposite direction: guild cohesion matters less, pressure and resentment matter more, and leadership burnout is common. A lot of long-term players didn’t quit because of one mechanic, but because this overall dynamic stopped being enjoyable.
That’s why detailed feedback keeps coming back every season. Even when individual systems change, the mode still feels hostile to cooperation and leadership — and that’s what’s driving disengagement.

[urban skiff]

I can understand your concerns. As I have been saying, I will do my utmost to record them and report them to the development team.

I will ensure that your opinions are accurately conveyed and serve as an important basis for subsequent optimizations.

Since the implementation of relevant suggestions needs to go through professional review and technical assessment by the development team, and also needs to be comprehensively considered in combination with multiple factors such as the game's development plan and scheduling arrangements, it is currently impossible to determine the specific implementation time of this suggestion for you, nor can we guarantee that it can be implemented immediately. We hope you can understand this.

But as I said before, I will continue to help you report and record them. @sullen sequoia @glacial sapphire

[pine light]

I was just wondering what a Chariot Comander does

Please help

Lol

Am I in trouble?

[glacial sapphire]

The one that actually battles in tower, its a vanguard battle, the riders serve the purpose of a bubble on the leader which serves the purpose of an extra attempt for the lead. If you aint top pvp you shouldnt be a lead.

Try being a rider in that case their scorimg doesnt not matter toward anything they only serve as an extra life

[sullen sequoia]

Thanks for taking the time to respond and for being transparent about the limits of what you can do in this role. I understand that you’re operating within constraints, and I do appreciate the effort to pass things along.

That said, I think it’s also fair to acknowledge where this leaves the community. At this point, detailed feedback has been shared repeatedly, by multiple long-term leaders, across multiple seasons. The concerns are well understood — and yet there’s still no visible ownership, dialogue, or iteration on the mode itself.

What’s especially discouraging is that this discussion has clearly become a broader community matter, yet there’s been no engagement from community management. That silence sends a strong message, intentional or not, and it leaves players and leaders feeling like we’re carrying the responsibility for the mode’s health on our own.

I’ll leave it here. The feedback is on the table, the impact on players is clear, and at this point all we can really do is decide for ourselves how we engage with the mode going forward.

[leaden gazelle]

nah you are not

basically you have to set ally with you

and set your battle team like arena and then at start of the next day you wil arena fight the other chariot commander in the tower

[silk plover]

Some time mb, but u can defend and rally, and the best part is, the defending teams stay in the old tower. So if u have someone rallying a tower but also defending, they will stay in the defending tower

Great that at least that part works in this damn event 😭

[crisp sleet]

Awesome. It also looks that way in all my map. So tower duelist can attack and defend at the same time, but only in 1 tower. And if they win the tower they attack, they will move to defend the new tower but only after tower battle end.

Thanks for letting me know

[spring owl]

If two leagues are attacking an unoccupied arcane tower who gets it? The description makes it sound like the lower combat rating league gets it since they fight first.

[sullen sequoia]

In theory the lower cmbr league fights first and if they win they fight the other league

But I have also heard of bugs coming up this season where the wrong result was counted

[spring owl]

Thank you!

[leaden gazelle]

wtf are you talking about

its you first fight the npc tower

then the other league

no matter if you are lower or uper cmbr

[sullen sequoia]

no

well partly

the lower cmbr league fights the npc first

does it matter? idk

[leaden gazelle]

at the end that doesn't change its just visual

if win npc then fight other league

if lose npc who ever win get it

[sullen sequoia]

yea

[leaden gazelle]

if 3 league fight that where cmbr matter

but that not something that will happen

[sullen sequoia]

i dont think its possible to lose against the npc if you have at least 3 players in the elite rally 😄

[signal heart]

So this is frustrating. Our Gilded City is getting attacked by two leagues and the mobilization cards stop working or are bugged and we might actually lose because of that.

Why?

Over the last 20min we‘ve tried sending about 150 Troops each, it will show the card has been used but no troops will be sent

[crisp sleet]

You r moving troops within t10 to each side of attack?

[signal heart]

No defense

Well eitherway the cards eventually stopped working and we almost lost it

[crisp sleet]

I mean, your t10 got attacked by 2 leagues, so there is 2 side of attack/defense. You are moving your t10 defense to each of that side?

You can see there is hanging icon on opponent wall with each attacker league banner

Just click on their banner to switch side

Moving troops to each side only takes 30 seconds. You should be able to see that your troops have moved to the other side

Moving defense to another side of attack within 1 city won't show troops on the map, because they within the 1 city

[signal heart]

I know that, its not my first time 😅

Its just Id use the mobilization cards and in chat it would say „150 troops are being sent yada yada“ and nothing was getting sent at all

[crisp sleet]

So you are sending troops from different city siege to your t10?

[signal heart]

No same siege, we could move them from east to west for a 1,5 hours no issues using the mobilization card

Eventually Id use it and no troops would move but the card would show as used

3-4 times it wouldnt work

[crisp sleet]

So you are moving defense within t10 to the other side, but after 1,5 hours, the reinforcement doesn't show on the other side even after u switch banner?

What server r you? Are you using army unit system or still shell system?

[signal heart]

Check this screen

In the chat it says how many troops are being moved from 447 to other side

447 stayed the same and other side didnt get anything

Also still Shell system

[crisp sleet]

Hm, could be display bug. During it, did you try logout and then login and still the same?

[signal heart]

Yes, and it wasnt display bug at all because the other side got demolished so hard because of it we almost lost 🙂‍↕️

[crisp sleet]

Hm, that looks like game error then, yeah

[signal heart]

Had like 600 troops total and we were defending against 950+

Other side only had about 150+

So it was heavily disadvantaged because of this bug..

[crisp sleet]

Dangg, insane

[signal heart]

I hope it wont happen again tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

Giving me ptsd

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, hopefully

[crisp sleet]

Lol I would too, in your position

[sullen sequoia]

Reads like absolutely shell system. The heavily outnumbered side would run out of army units in no time

[glacial sapphire]

No one has that many teams im aware of, the game desyncs alot. Try force exit the game and reboot. Unless you was attacked by 2 seperate teams then its not worth defend go target one of them hard when they team on you. Thats how i handle it

Go for the team thats getting hit as well

[signal heart]

I did say it was 2 leagues attacking

We did reboot our games multiple times aswell, and if we go hard on only 1 team they can still push the castle and take it down

[signal heart]

Isnt that only with NPCs

[echo cosmos]

This really needs to go. It's just stupid.

One easy fix is to make it so any unused packages get carried over and have there be level 3 caravan in the final zone.

And remove the top 60 requirement.

[livid orchid]

It's easy, raid a guy immediately at 9:00 am then you are 60th

[echo cosmos]

I'm in love of Begris in this mode.

[clever hedge]

9am what time zone tho

pretty sure that’s 4am for me

[livid orchid]

It's 9:00 am right now

[silk plover]

For u, not for others 😭

[fading galleon]

so my league has fallen apart and now i cant continue on the mystic gate should i just try and get into the winning leagues

[glacial sapphire]

Yep prolly before them

[echo cosmos]

This Golden Fronter feels rather anticlimactic.

[echo cosmos]

Is there a cap to how many teams can be in a siege vehicle?

[leaden gazelle]

no

you can have 600+ teamif you want

[echo cosmos]

Are there more visual tiers of siege vehicle or just the three tiers?

[leaden gazelle]

3

that it

[echo cosmos]

Ahhh so just the tier for 300+ teams and that's it.

[leaden gazelle]

yup

[leaden gazelle]

the tier are just visual

[signal heart]

Guys, if someone switches to the league that occupies Gilded City, do they still get rewards even if they werent there for the capture?

[leaden gazelle]

only the league where you stay at the end

so like you can join last week the league that have the city and win the frame

capture doesn't give you anything

[dim frost]

Question. Is there any good time per say to start dropping the Phosphorus veins to maximize diamonds+dust? I have all treasures unlocked, but still have a decent amount of the end ones to max out. The one that give all the % boosts. Are those all worth getting, or should I just focus on getting as many diamond+dust as possible?

[leaden gazelle]

depend on how the fight go but usualy you want to max the phosphorus out put until you reach last week then you change all to max diamond and dust

[sullen sequoia]

It seems that in the low spenders map the enrollment button has disappeared from the left bar

[leaden gazelle]

What already

[sullen sequoia]

It's still there in your main's map 😄

[gloomy aurora]

yeah that's true. Whale map gets the enrollment button privilege, outcasts like us have to go Solo 🫠

[leaden gazelle]

Ahaha

[gloomy aurora]

[leaden gazelle]

You looser

[gloomy aurora]

remove 1 "o" and we're good Oxir-kun

Tho Melchior is in Solstice this time tho 👉 👈

[gloomy aurora]

Wait... didn't concern much about things in GF but .... did you pull that card near the end of the season again?

[leaden gazelle]

What card ?

I played what

[gloomy aurora]

-.- Last season with Sunken, we got a surprise visit from you near the end.

[leaden gazelle]

What a suprise

I never do that

[gloomy aurora]

Not cool at all Oxir-kun

[leaden gazelle]

For Real I never

(always I announced my self)

[sullen sequoia]

Huh I don't recall what did sunken do towards the end? I only remember road to heaven eating their friends 😬

[gloomy aurora]

nah it wasn't about sunken. It was about some of Oxir-kun's nocturnal activities

[leaden gazelle]

[leaden gazelle]

(he his crazy)

[signal heart]

Does anyone know if S3 expedition in companion is against new servers or still the same from S2?

[leaden gazelle]

It's change you match new region

[vague cloak]

Thanks golden frontier.

Both of my accounts got screwed out of the dragon emblem reward

Literally sending all 3 teams everyday still with this stupidity

[leaden gazelle]

Blâme your lead

[gloomy aurora]

Could also be that he has been in an inactive league the whole time

[leaden gazelle]

Nah if he got attack daily

In both case it's lead fault

Asking to be Def by 20 team for medal it's something that people do

And people in big leagues want medal

So even in dead league is leading fault

[gloomy aurora]

Well he could just leave his league and join a more active one. Only 17 gold medals for a season is quite low. Not sure how it works in Classic.

But consider things I've heard from Classic about people get kicked for not buying teams, I wouldn’t judge

[echo cosmos]

Well this is anticlimactic.

Probably would be better if the mountains were removed.

[echo cosmos]

I once looted a player who had 7 teams. All with my 3 teams. Which proves that fewer is better.

With fewer teams, you can focus on stronger lineups as opposed to more teams with the power spread thin.

[vague cloak]

Literally in the strongest league of my region

If I was in inactive league I wouldn't complain to begin with

[gloomy aurora]

Does your league control the T10, the Oak, and all three T9s?

Or is there at least one other, less powerful league in the inner/middle ring?

If your league has a monopoly, with the majority of active players in one league and the rest being zombies, then it’s understandable why you have this few gold medals.

But if there’s at least one decently active league, then as Oxir said, the fault lies with the leaders.

[fathom canopy]

I’m waiting for this event to be over so i can forget all the garbage i have to witness in front of my eyes being captured by a bunch of nuisances

[echo cosmos]

I just want earthquakes to happen so the league I'm in will face substantial challenge.

It's just anticlimactic. Occupied the whole inner region. Where's the challenge?

[sullen sequoia]

oh hey, guilds are not split this time gj. still got separated yet again from my common group of guilds - i.e. my friends - gg, i fucking hate that. why does your matchmaking hate on me all the time lol. fucking bs. don't answer, it wont change anything anyways

[echo cosmos]

Does anyone know if Realm of Shadows floors stay unlocked if the mystical gate is lost?

[true rapids]

They become locked, even if you have unclaimed rewards

[echo cosmos]

So a bug then.

[true rapids]

I doubt it's a bug

[echo cosmos]

Wouldn't it make sense to keep the floors unlocked?

[true rapids]

No

Obviously it will be better for everyone, but then it won't be needed to fight for them

[tender elm]

No

The whole point is that you have to defend those places

So you can retain the mystic gate and climb floors

[shut pulsar]

is it actually better to enroll as a guild instead of individual

[rose bay]

Yes

Finally this awful event is over

[leaden gazelle]

every time i look at a classic map it look like a low competition map

[rose bay]

Game mode is the worst in the game and we had no competition

[leaden gazelle]

yeah that what i'm saying

[rose bay]

Yeah matchmaking is off or intended to match top guilds vs middle tier idk

Either way gimme HF back and remove this

[leaden gazelle]

at least in companion that working top guild are with top guild

[rose bay]

Yeah not in classic

[signal heart]

Since Im new to army units system in expedition, isnt sending troops to rally better than defending? Since they seem to get stronger when you attack rally rather than defend , and you can send them back to defend after basically since their stronger when attacking I think? Im not sure. Does someone know?

[hot lark]

hello everyone! is this worth sinking 5k diamonds into?

[true rapids]

If you have to ask the answer is no

[glacial sapphire]

Season 1 mechanic yes, seasons after only if you have the most goated guild in the region

[leaden gazelle]

the top 1 like a big 1

[vivid rampart]

Worst case you literally lose 0 diamonds, no reason not to

[leaden gazelle]

you lose way more

if you are in a dead league you lose a lot

no farm nothing

that give you more than 5k

[vivid rampart]

If you leave to join the better league you’re going to get one of the bigger diamond rewards too

No reason to leave your league if you’re joining another loser league

[leaden gazelle]

[shut pulsar]

only raw combat rating matter in making team comps right?

[glacial sapphire]

Not at all

Dims>wilders>maulers everything else sucks

Pvp comps

[shut pulsar]

in the golden frontier event?

[glacial sapphire]

Yep

[shut pulsar]

idk how this works yet were still early on but does it matter making a comprehensive comp in taking over cities?

[glacial sapphire]

Thats pve all comps will do generally well, pvp comps will still do better

Need a healer and none squishy dps. Warriors/tank and maybe a cc

Same as every other game

[shut pulsar]

ahh

tysm

[robust dome]

which hero to aim for as new player? and any code for gifts?

[gloomy aurora]

👀

I thought there was drama

[leaden gazelle]

drama ?

[leaden helm]

[vivid rampart]

I only now find out that after you attack for long enough enemy teams just perma die, wtf is this

[glacial sapphire]

75 minutes your burned out

Cause they want to buying army unit with diamonds, so you can rl buy currency 👍

For a super silly mechanic

[lament lichen]

Shell system or army unit system? If you dont know, what's your server?

[vivid rampart]

Army, 313

[glacial sapphire]

On 313 your on 1st season mechanics (tideshells), and those are pve attacks. No worries you will feel the same pain the following season when you switch to (army units) and it applies to you as well

[vivid rampart]

That’s awful

[glacial sapphire]

It is

[marsh lance]

Is this a classics chat or companions one

Or both

[glacial sapphire]

Both

Use to be seperate but they got the bright idea to merge them when they both play entirely different mechanics. So this chat largely died off because of that

[marsh lance]

Lilith: “think harder - not smarter”

[leaden helm]

They deadass just made this one channel when it used to be for companions only so now it’s a dizzying mix where players from both games chat not realizing they’re not even playing the same thing

[leaden gazelle]

[fierce storm]

i guess now i need to wait for 49 more players to clear the boss before advancing?

[leaden gazelle]

yup you wait

[vivid rampart]

can someone reply to the image guide for average players that was sent here a while back?

nvm found it

oh its pinned

[sullen sequoia]

is there a chance you will ever recognize what towers (and also the army unit system) are doing to expedition and then do something about it? @urban skiff @ionic swift

[urban skiff]

To help us accurately convey the community's pain points to the developers, please share more details with us on exactly how these mechanics are negatively affecting your gameplay experience (such as unreasonable mechanic design, stat balancing issues, or tedious operational experience).

[sullen sequoia]

I'm pretty sure it has been recorded before, but ok. Before towers were introduced, leagues that were not as stacked with high-spenders still had a shot at winning if they had good strategy. With towers, the league(s) with most/strongest spenders will just win almost certainly, because once they occupy a tower others won't be able to get them off there again. This paired with the fact that towers are in key locations on the map (even splitting zone 2), absolutely killed all competition we had seen in expedition before that (and remember, expedition was supposed to be a competitive game mode). This fact is now even more of a driving factor for making the game mode about politics and big alliances of guilds where the only thing to do is negotiating rewards. It's plain boring and a lot of people quit over it

[urban skiff]

We completely understand your frustration. Expedition used to be a fun, competitive mode that relied on good strategy and teamwork. But because of the tower mechanics (especially when high-spenders occupy key choke points with absolutely no room for counterplay), the mode has devolved into a pure stat check and "politics between big alliances." It truly kills the competitive spirit that made the mode enjoyable, making it boring and driving people away. Your feelings are completely justified and incredibly sharp.

Please rest assured that I have taken your highly valuable feedback—detailing exactly how tower placements eliminate strategic comebacks and ruin the core competitive nature of the mode—and reported it directly to our development team lead.

[sullen sequoia]

Can I talk to a human please 😐

[weak trail]

Someone finally said it

It's really sad what this game has become

Sadly they prefer to quadruple down on slop instead of fixing stuff

[urban skiff]

This is a live customer support. If you have any further suggestions, please feel free to share them with us.

[empty scarab]

Live customer support =/= a human. Non-human confirmed.

[sullen sequoia]

i actually dont know how to respond to this at this point. would any community manager care to step in and help the community? @rocky rampart @ionic swift

[rocky rampart]

lol what happens here

ive been summoned in this channel

[sullen sequoia]

we're in another round of us (well, technically me again) bringing up serious issues with expedition to customer support and all we are getting again is ai generated responses, empty "promises" and standard phrases not addressing anything

and with expedition being basically the main game mode, it shouldn't a) be like the most painful and bothersome thing to play and b) not get worse like every season

we had a pretty similar conversation in here a while back where also other players who are very active in managing expedition joined in and it's quite obvious (sadly) that this kind of feedback isnt going anywhere (or the devs dont care about their customers at all)

[sullen sequoia]

so, sorry for summing 😅 but i've tagged you this time as well, because from what i heard you are also in grace' discord server and others have a good opinion of you

[empty scarab]

I'm with this guy 👆

[rocky rampart]

no worries ahah I am your go to at the moment better tagging me than vivi^^

[rocky rampart]

if you have the patience to please sum up the main points of feedback you want to give I am going to add them to my report which will reach devs tomorrow!
sorry I missed some parts of the convo i dont real all channells everyday

or if anyone wants to add onto this topic also welcome

[sullen sequoia]

i'll try to give a brief summary. in the meantime, this was start
#golden-frontier-chat message
and end
#golden-frontier-chat message
of the previous conversation

[rocky rampart]

my god ahah

sorry i cant

reacting not to your msgs of course

[sullen sequoia]

yes, the interaction is quite funny

at times like it was taking from a comedy special

[rocky rampart]

correct ahahah

[sullen sequoia]

so about expedition i think it's impossible for me alone to capture the main points on the spot, because there's so much wrong with it, it's not even funny lol 😄

[rocky rampart]

what a world we live in

[sullen sequoia]

maybe a couple things

[rocky rampart]

no no ofc dont wanna ask you to sum everyones opinion dw

but yeah just a few thing you directly wanna point out that makes my life easier when reporting lol

[sullen sequoia]

this has stopped by now, but for several season, stuff was added and then either kept without refinement or just tossed out the window again

like we were still in beta

the time investment overhead for those few players managing in expedition is beyond reason

towers are - at least in my opinion - the absolute worst thing that has been added to expedition to date. their introduction and placement killed every single bit of strategy that was present in the game (and which is was players like me actually got so engaged with). even weaker leagues were able to have a shot at winning with good strategy. now it's just negotiations: get all high-spenders into your leagues and have them relax at the towers - no one will be able to take it from them. no one will be able to pass (not even the balrog, haha)

then, the army unit system: over the course of a season a good amount of players go inactive. with the shell system, the leaders were still able to use their troops. now when they are out of army units they are just unusable

(this is especially annoying for the smaller leagues on the map, where more casual players or those not willing to move are sitting. they are struggling now getting more out of expedition)

• matchmaking: this one has a too large pool of players and keeps slowly intermixing "new" guilds into established groups. this makes social groups grow bigger over time. by now the situation on at least 2 expedition instances is this, that one big allied group dominates the map and dictates how everything will go, because usually in these groups are all the spenders, newer spenders are attracted to the group and no opposition forms. there is no PvP left in this game mode, everything is negotiations and politics. that sucks and is boring. and - more importantly - it discourages a lot of players from even trying - a good number even quit the game each season because of it

• contested neutral city battles: if 2 leagues simultaneously attack the same neutral city, the winner is determined by whoever league gets the last hit on the wall. that's especially frustrating because league A may significantly outnumber league B, but if B makes it to hitting wall before the city is down, they may still get the last hit and win. (apart from towers) all important city battles are determined this way. players didnt like it from first beta

• siege cannon dispatch algorithm: for a few seasons now something is off with the cannon. if you dont intervene, the cannon will run the battle inevitably into a 2-3 lane lock, where one league fights 2 empty lanes and the other 3 empty lanes

hm what else

btw if you shoot me with an ai generated response now i'll punch you through the screen xD

i'd say you could check what was "recorded" by the customer support team, but i doubt there will be anything

[empty scarab]

This is a huge problem. Basically, the game breaks down. It can even happen when the battles are managed by league leadership.

[sullen sequoia]

just quoting myself here as well:

One broader concern I want to add, after watching Expedition across multiple seasons, is about its impact on the game’s long-term health.
Modes like AbEx rewarded strong guilds, cooperation, and healthy competition. Over time, Expedition has shifted incentives in the opposite direction: guild cohesion matters less, pressure and resentment matter more, and leadership burnout is common. A lot of long-term players didn’t quit because of one mechanic, but because this overall dynamic stopped being enjoyable.
That’s why detailed feedback keeps coming back every season. Even when individual systems change, the mode still feels hostile to cooperation and leadership — and that’s what’s driving disengagement.

• maybe another add-on for the army unit system: it HEAVILY favors strong whales - but probably that's the intention. a weaker league will naturally just run out of army units faster and then lose

all things considered, i just want to have again ..

i would also offer to you to join the discord server i have been using the past couple seasons for managing expedition for you to get a sense of what goes into each expedition season, since we basically manage most of the map in an attempt to help more players getting something out of expedition @rocky rampart

now i think that's all for now. if anyone from the dev team or whoever is actually interested in doing something about expedition, i am sure we could find some long-term players willing to join a group chat to discuss the pain points.

final note: ai-generated responses are actually worse than not responding at all. i dont mind ai-assisted responses for wording stuff, but asking a chat bot to please answer a concern politely and just copy-pasting the response is just disrespectful

[tepid sorrel]

AFK Arena players are so toxic

[true rapids]

Apart from what Nyro said, i think

1. Expedition should have two enrollments like abex. One for hardcore with higher rewards and another for casuals. With the current situation, casuals are being kicked out of the leagues as they are not part of the alliances
2. Leadership burden needs to be reviewed, it doesn't matter if everything is "fixed" if no one else wants to try to fight the big guys, the situation won't change

[glacial sapphire]

2 hour battle is a bit much as well with a 2 hour celebration phase until you can rally again

Every single day is also a pain 42 days on 9 days off 42 days on 9 off, rewards are not that good for all that work,( ill say it like it is a competive leader puts in 200+ hours a season into this mode alone)

Why are league leader excluded from merit crowning that literally makes no sense, they spend 500 gold to get the vote, 500 to name the team, and deal with all the private messages. The person that works the hardest gets negative rewards for being the leader?

[glacial sapphire]

To fix the game mode:

Scrap towers

Scrap army unit system go back to tideshell system. What nyro missed is In tideshell system your morale drained off by the amount of time on the field your teams dies when it drains to 0 morale. And they got to go back to defending lanes. This stopped the lane from locking up 0 vs 200 and 200 vs 0 and 100 vs 0 and 0 vs 100 we are seeing now. Theres actually no battles going on when this condition happens and it happens every 12 minutes. Now the teams just sit there hitting nothing

Bring back siege cards, but keep fortress breach. Everyone loved the siege cards

Fix the 2 teams on a pve last hit wins mechanic, no one likes it

Scrap fog of war: this mechanic isnt game breaking but its just moronic. The point of it was to catch a team off guard and burst them down real quick right, yet at 200 teams your attack is visable. That makes no sense. Its real annoying this start exactly on phase 2 day. Also the game feels like fog, fog, clouds, rain, flood, sunny, fog, fog repeat. Just stuff thats annoying to deal with 24/7.

Theres your example

[glacial sapphire]

With this condition who ever is attacking the siege cart vs the team attacking the city has a serious serious advantage. Siege cart health 600k city health 2.5 million. Ones attacking the siege cart win

[crisp sleet]

Unpopular opinion here, I actually like the army unit battle system and the dedicated lane thing. It makes things less boring for the cannon commander

But I do agree the matching system need revamping. It would be great to separate previous winning guilds / alliances from older server region. Mix them with newer regions winner so there will be active competition between the whale/kraken guilds since they are not familiar with each other

At least one of the younger region map has this kind of match up now (there is two major alliances fighting for thrones, exciting battles especially since the army unit system and dedicated lanes give chances to win), so I guess in a way, the dev might have begun working on the matching system

I also still like that attacker only have default 600k HP. Since army unit system make defense less easier, that 600k give fair chance to win the defense

I think most of the complaints comes from region s1-s200 ish, because they have been playing more seasons and keep meeting same people. Thus the alliances plague

The s250 and younger servers have fresh players and they don't know the old players and are not afraid to challenge the thrones

[sullen sequoia]

Probably true

There's also a bad bug with how army units are paid and reset when joining rallies and garrison during rain, but that's a minor thing compared to the the stuff

[glacial sapphire]

I dunno i dont like it, its dumb that im required to babysit a battle non stop for 2 hours, due to stuff i cant control.

If they want a challenge just give leaders full control of the battle, no auto anything

[sullen sequoia]

Agree. I feel in the old siege cannon implementation we had more control

And to me personally that's more fun

[glacial sapphire]

Its the same with arena its all auto rng junk

At one point in this game you actually had to hit your ultimate button.

Stuff like that would be some what feels like skill back. You hit your skills

Not auto

Also would help the lazy whale vs skilled casual

Maybe do something like that with tower

[glacial sapphire]

Guessing you havent lost an embrassing pve fight in rain yet due to lane locks. 🤚i have lol

-I agree there are people in map 1 or 2 that shouldnt of been put up against that type of competion yet, and I would guess that they would choose not to be there if they had that option. I also know people would like to have that chance to go against it, to prove them selves the best of the bunch. Some type of match making better than their auto matching and team placements could be a massive improvement

I know i always wanted a shot at trying at no mercy when they was thriving, they just didnt stay together long enough for me to see it

From what some gathered you go to the maps due to your guild combat rating. How about matchmaking to seasonal results of the guild top 4/ frame holders, Maybe tier 1 and the bottom 8 teams tier 2 que

Added incentive to be tier one, so you dont just dodge it

That gives us long term goals as well

A 3 tier system is prolly better though- casual, semi competive, legends league

*Also we are all adults here why cant we just draft our own teams from the get go on the down days of the season. Why make push teams have to boot and recruit. Like either turn off mass recruitments or let us draft our own teams

Pick one maybe put that into the tier system casuals auto draft, legends league build a team

[sullen sequoia]

You still keeping up @rocky rampart ? xD

@glacial sapphire and @crisp sleet making good points

[crisp sleet]

Yeah. Once u rally in rain, u can never defend because if u cancel rally, it refunds all the army unit and your team cannot participate in siege at all. So, I learn to not defend if not chance to win. Better take the lost city again next or just use different strategy

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, if it's only 1 person managing all, it can be tiring I guess. Maybe can try to share the burden with other player/deputy

[crisp sleet]

For me, shell control rather boring because you just take turn using card, then wait 10 min. Jumping then wait again. Army system requires thinking of which lanes to use cannon and what timing. Small mess up and the tide can turn around. It's kinda fun

[sullen sequoia]

that's also true. i kinda miss old mob times. siege was more about good mobilization control rather than cannon^^

[crisp sleet]

I can't argue with the tower lol. But I guess it's kinda plus for sole whale league against 2 league alliances

[sullen sequoia]

dont even remember what the cooldown was, 3 minutes?

[crisp sleet]

Yeah. My strategy in rain is based on my average main active. Winning npc 100% without mobilization requires amount of troops 80-90% from npc defense, it's guaranteed to not trigger the dedicated lanes or annihilate most npc before dedicated lane happen. So, for ex. t8 (250 def) requires at least 200 troops. And if my average main active rally only around 200, then I plan the attack as 2 tower and 1 t8. Or simply just use 1 banner on t8. That way, the win is guaranteed and I don't waste the day.

Lol, my internet sucks. Let me resend

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, the matchmaking can be improved. It's the true cause of alliances plague am pretty sure. You go to same people u know. But if stranded with new faces, have to start from 0 to attract people

[crisp sleet]

The mobilization card actually become more important in army unit system now. Before, u just use map mobilization, do it early on and then sit back and relax. The card one, only use sometimes.

But with army unit, we use card more often to counter enemy dedicated lanes and must think of the timing and planning the city close enough so they can arrive in time. Need to use it back and forth even.

[crisp sleet]

Card mob cool down 10 min. Map cool down 30 min. It's still the same as shell

[sullen sequoia]

in betas it was lower

unless my memory fails me

😄

[crisp sleet]

Ah i never played beta version. I think my server (s186) get the final version. And the cool down never change since then

[sullen sequoia]

map cooldown was much lower, we were able to defend like 3 cities against weaker leagues by juggling around a small but strong group of teams

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, 3 min cool down is insane fast lol.

30 min makes you think harder, tho. Cause small mistake can also change the outcome

[sullen sequoia]

iirc it was not only beta, but i dont remember when they changed it

[sullen sequoia]

yes absolutely

[crisp sleet]

Maybe in classic. I hear the gf version there a bit different

[sullen sequoia]

idk, i only know some people playing on classic. siege phase is shorter there

i think 1 hour

is s186 part of our matchmaking pool by now (1 to X, honestly dont know where it stops)? or separate one?

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, that's what I heard too

[crisp sleet]

I'm not really sure. I think it match with s80 ish? There is nemesis in my s186 map. But never get one with s1 no mercy

But I don't really pay attention much to the sole players, maybe there is some from much older server

[crisp sleet]

And it's mixed with whale guilds from younger map, like nexus, rank one or something that I never heard in older region before (I think)

So I guess the match making is starting to get wider

[sullen sequoia]

I think it's a different pool then, but yea if they keep expanding we might meet at some point. If I'm not mistaken s130'ish is already with us

[crisp sleet]

Ah, my bad. I thought nemesis was in much older regions, they are s140/150 ish. I guess my s186 map oldest player still around 130/121 ish. But we got players from 200+ region.
I don't really follow my s186 map lol. More focus on my semidead s1 map

[crisp sleet]

Yeah, hopefully it gets even wider. I see more and more new faces and leading guilds this season

[rocky rampart]

lol yes I am writing the reprot today

[empty scarab]

On behalf of the playerbase, thank you.

[dusky drift]

Bear is wonderful

[rocky rampart]

oh I am happy to join and witness the madness!

thank you to everyone contributing! I cant promise immediate change but it is for sure useful to have feedback from players with hands on experience

[sullen sequoia]

thank you for actually interacting with us and taking notes^^ also, you should put whatever @glacial sapphire says on top of the list, he is one of the most knowledgeable players in expedition around atm - imo at least

[sullen sequoia]

alright, i'll ask in the group if that's okay with them and get back to you 😬

[glacial sapphire]

I was running 3 map golden frontiers last night🫣

[rocky rampart]

are you okay today? ahahah

[glacial sapphire]

All victories lol, just showing the new crowds how to roll

[empty scarab]

This guy's as tough as they get. ^^^^

[sullen sequoia]

i've sent the server invitation via dm

[lament lichen]

A player came to you with a valid and well-reasoned complaint, with the additional details that YOU asked for, in order to actually help improve the game, and you reply with the most obviously AI generated recap while offering no actionable solution.
Then you double down and pretend it wasn't an AI generated response, it was "live". give me a break
This is an insane level of gaslighting and blatantly disrespectful. Nobody should trust a word you say after that display and you've done a brilliant job destroying your own reputation to save, what, 5 whole minutes to read THE DETAILS YOU ASKED FOR and make a genuine reply?

You are a community manager, not a robot. Do your fukin job.
And apologize to Nyro while you're at it cuz that's so so far beyond unacceptable.
Genuinely shameful behavior. Do better

Actual genuine feedback that hopefully reaches Bear rather than you - I largely agree with what was said above - shell system was way more fun and engaging than army system, towers suck, and the current state of competition is extremely unhealthy and only bleeds players. And cannon definitely needs better AI

[weak trail]

Sadly it's just what happens nowadays

In Bearrr we trust

[jolly sage]

Bearrr is hired to be some kind of interactive wall where players can blow off some stream, to absorb negativity and to make visibility of feedback listening. You guys should understand that she isn't a working channel you can use to reach out to developers.
No offense, but I guess how it works and I wouldn't hope that your tirades will be heard and processed. She really can talk to team and deliver them some summary of players feedback, but absolutely no guarantee that any attention will be paid. The main goal of any business is gaining money, it's the first priority. And as the practise shows, they usually have no fear about losing players, because it happens very rarely, in extremely bad games, and people used to endure and complain, but still play (I'm the example lol) and make this business richer further. And hiring a punching bag is some kind of compromise to soften the mood of the masses.
I could not even write this but that's so ridiculous. Keep suffering and play

[spice thicket]

Classic protest => got rewarded , we unhappy => release something more stressful ( like tower )

I don't even understand why classic have more "lite" version of GF and not companion , cuz we play every single month

[glacial sapphire]

Another big issue rain garrisons. In the army unit system we are weakened and no way to get replenished if in a rain garrison. This need fixed. We are getting punished for playing with skilled strategy

[glacial sapphire]

These games like this listen to their community evently after big drops off or just go bankrupt this game hesitates alot more than it should. Hopefully they dont hesitate until the game dies, which our golden frontier groups attempt to remedy the best we can with the tools we are given. None of the feedback given takes anything away from their bottom line, it doesnt add to it either but can stabilze and/or bring some people back that have gave up purely because of golden frontier grievences which are quite large. The mode is cooked in current state. Map 1/2 should be a big forshadowing for them that they will come on tough times eventually, every season forward with golden frontier is dropping people off permanently each season just from the mode alone.

I love the game mode, im really good at it, its like a game of 3d chess for me. But there are some things above that can make it more enjoyable for everyone and make the wins and success rate more diverse amougst the community, its got alot to offer and they should make adjustments from feedback to get it into being the main activity in the game that it already forced on us as.

As golden frontier stands now, a team that can best towers either wins everytime or drops down towers and let other teams win, thats no fun for anyone, not us nor them they get no sense of pride of accomplishment in that.

[rocky rampart]

hey hey I am on leave today but reading this~

the feedback provided last week (that was quite comprehensive and included like 6/7 different points) was forwarded to the devs last friday!

Ofc if any of that is eventually implement is up to feasibility (hopefully at least some!) but it takes a bit of time anyways
I do think feedback like that is helpful to inform future design choices as expedition is very much a work in progress so thank you all for taking the time to share!!

[rocky rampart]

Thanks Genesis for the kind words

I dont think punching bag is super accurate I hope you guys can understand I can onyl absorb so much frustration lol

But in general its more about communicating that to devs than absorbing

And vice versa

[sullen sequoia]

see the problem is that customer support was supposedly communicating stuff to the devs since the very first beta season and not even greater issues that were brought up like every season were not addressed

hence optimism in regards to you reporting on the stuff is likely a little lacking (and rightfully so imo)

[rocky rampart]

lol yeah I can understand that

[weak trail]

Yeah CS almost feels like AI these days and you never hear anything back

[sullen sequoia]

hey @urban skiff @rocky rampart i have 2 great suggestions you could add to the expedition map and they perfectly lend themselves for additional monetization layers. ready?

1. A big a$$ volcano

Once the final phase has started, it is a random event where the volcano may erupt at any time. if it does, teams are erased from all golden domain cities except - and that's the catch - towers! but there's more. you can protect you cities, by buying the eruption survival kit from the caravan.

2. Tidal waves

After the 2nd zone opens, there directional tidal wave (from one of 6 directions) may hit and devastate the island. For the side it hits, it completely wipes the respective area in the outer zones, deleting all cities from the map for the season. the 2 spawn zones for the leagues that were hit will be displaced into the 2nd zone cities i have marked in the screenshot. Again, you can invest in preventive measure, by building a dike. that will of course cost a small obolus.

[urban skiff]

I have read through your concepts for the expedition map hazards, including the volcano and tidal waves. I have noted down these specific mechanics along with your map edits and will share them with the development team lead to review for future event updates. Thanks

[sullen sequoia]

Additional idea

3. Release the Kraken!

The kraken randomly submerges and appears at the broken ship bottom left and starts yeeting wooden planks all over the map2 blocking paths. League leaders can assign a new role, the lumberjack, who can cut the planks blocking the paths. They can also buy a chainsaw for faster unblocking

[mint osprey]

I'm sold

[glacial sapphire]

😆

[glacial sapphire]

Its started a joke, but i think something pretty cool can come of it

Kraken powers should be slimy tentacles though

Laser beam eye like homelander or maybe he slithers across the map to fight godzilla

We could use some pirates too maybe kraken chases them down

[urban skiff]

I have received your additional concept regarding the Kraken and the lumberjack role. Thank you for continuing to share this map idea with us.I have appended this new mechanic to your previous feedback log and submitted the complete suggestions to the development team lead for review.

[sullen sequoia]

@rocky rampart @urban skiff on a serious note though, why is lilith mocking us? they implement stuff we (and more specifically @glacial sapphire inside this channel) had proposed to potentially fix the competition issues expedition has grown to have IN CLASSIC and not in companions where the usual testing ground is and players suffered through that shit for longer?

[rocky rampart]

i assume the feedbakc from classic players was going the same direction.. perhaps it will come to companiosn too after testing!

[sullen sequoia]

favorite child i assume, haha 😄

[orchid dock]

Where can I see this mode?

[true rapids]

Is sad how companion is just the empty playground

With no changes and empty patch notes

[sullen sequoia]

That's on classic, right?

[glacial sapphire]

They did not state on this

[crisp sleet]

Is this for classic only? They mention nightmare corridor. We don't have that in companion

Also, I'm curious, I read that the new patch will make a league Max member only 70. I wonder if that means 1 league = 1 guild?

Also it says the participating guild must have min 30 active members. Does that mean if guild with less active members can't participate in expedition at all?

[glacial sapphire]

Yes on league is guild, yes its going to classic, hopefully it comes companions pretty quickly as well

They will prolly go to some chopped up map

[crisp sleet]

If it comes to companion, I'm a bit worried about the guild active requirement.

The matchup system is interesting though

[glacial sapphire]

Think regions restructure would come think thats somewhere it that

[crisp sleet]

Yeah. Would love to hear how the patch goes with the classic players

[weak trail]

Pain and suffering mode is back

[tender elm]

You better be ready

We're running it down

[weak trail]

Damn no embed

I'm tired boss

[timid mesa]

even worse with guild only application my guild is half dead not even enrolled yet..

[mental sphinx]

search for an active guild bruh

[timid mesa]

This is what I did.. burh

[onyx iris]

In companions, does individual enrollment send you to a map extra for people that enrolled individually?

[unborn sleet]

Yo any active guilds I can join? I’m
Active and high lvl, lmk 🙂

[graceful egret]

No

[rose bay]

Will be quite the chaos since the first run will have random matchmaking

[weak trail]

Gotta love spaghetti code

[weak trail]

It gets worse

[timid mesa]

This golden frontier will be horrible.. why did i change guild to get the same lack of activity on the event..

[shell dove]

Can't do this golden Frontier because my guild leader is a lazy mfker

Guess I'll be missing out on big rewards?

[timid mesa]

The decision to guild lock it was not very smart..

[weak trail]

Yeaaaah it's wack

[gaunt pulsar]

Some how Lillith fed "Make the crappiest mode even worse" into Google translate and it spit out "fixed"

[gaunt pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-esperando-mr-bean-waiting-gif-4513135960021631723

[rose bay]

Gotta find a more active guild

[gaunt pulsar]

*Lillith needs to fix this broken crap

Fixed it for ya

[rose bay]

What exactly is broken?

[hushed briar]

yo

anyone recall occupying 2 cities consecutively with one banner or is it just me?

[shell dove]

Like how big of a reward are we really missing out on from being locked out of GF?

[dusky drift]

not much. just some bait, wish leaves, DI, and sg cards.

not a lot of any one resource either

its probably like 10 di you're missing out on

[twilit dune]

at war do player deploy order depend on the order of joining rally

or just random

because some player never got chance to battle in war and the town already occupied

[sullen sequoia]

At least it gives being in a guild a little more meaning again, which are merely like a name attached to your account currently. At least in companions

Guild lock also exists in abex and isn't an issue there. So imo if you want to play competitive then look for a competitive guild ^^

[timid mesa]

changed guild for more active one.. they're active just barely 1/3 participate in the event rip...

[rose bay]

This 10000%

[sullen sequoia]

If you still don't have the army unit system they can be mobilized at least, with a debuff but still 😅

[timid mesa]

the thing is the deputies and leader don't do anything either to mobilize

[sullen sequoia]

Lol, welp doesn't sound like a competitive guild then ^^ feels bad

Still, the ability to switch and form leagues introduces a big pile of shitty problems just by existing

[timid mesa]

Yeah I know. I kinda like the event there is some tactical play here agains humans I had fun last time being a Leader the issue was again not many people were active but till mid game it was manageable solo.

[stark ermine]

Agains humans... bro are you an exstraterrestrial being 😭

[harsh stag]

How do you attain victory if not winning? Fr this sounds like lilith is taking the piss

[mental sphinx]

Doesnt this only shows your personal winnings?

The league prolly sucks ass otherwise

[true rapids]

Yes, that's just your personal fight

[rose bay]

Now wait for days again

[spark phoenix]

We just ended our competitions season a day earlier than expected. We got the 2nd gate secured lol

[obtuse badger]

Isn't this fun kids? No more 90 extra randos in each league, no more guilds that looks more like a tribe than a guild participating, now people will care about guild recruitment and take it seriously

[tender elm]

stomping other guilds is kinda fun

[rose bay]

Exactly

All these leechers who just join best league and do nothing can fk off now

[rose bay]

True

Looking forward to meeting you guys again in the future

[tender elm]

idk how you guys ended up with us last time ngl

and not on the racoons no mercy ami ruby map

[rose bay]

We got ami now

[rose bay]

Yeah it was a weird pairing overall

We will see how that will changes with the divisions now

[spark phoenix]

Aspects are both better and worse. I overall don’t hate it.

[lean carbon]

scrap this game bro

at least let us auto collect and auto battle

no one would mind this game if u do that

[rose bay]

Highly doubt that would change anything

Most people play in bad casual guilds that are not active at all and thus miss out on everything

And then they have the audacity to complain

[obtuse badger]

It's actually that gatekeeping mechanic that completely kills the progress by any guilds that chill way too much, now without 160/160 they can't even piggyback off tryhard guilds, I assume if you have everyone F2P but all 70/70 active, you could still actually do it...

But, too bad for every single guild out there that claims to "remove anyone with 3 days inactivity" and then proceed to have 10-15 people having 7 days or more inactive, what are you trying to pull? Keeping them so your guild don't look as sad having so many missing members? That kind of backfires you know

TL;DR go harder on recruitment so you fill up like at least 65 members with last inactive of 1 day or less

[spark phoenix]

Basically. I feel terrible, but it’s incentivized to pretty much lock out some guilds to get the best for your guild. Half the guilds will always be screwed to high hell, while the others will at least get the average rewards.

[viscid patio]

How do I enter this game

[obtuse badger]

You missed out this season, you must sign up as a guild leader at the start of golden frontier, it's about 80% finished by now

[viscid patio]

How long does a season usually take

Im not a guild leader tho btw

Gotta depends on my leader

If i came back to the game mid season i still cant join right

[obtuse badger]

@viscid patio It's roughly a month when it starts, problem is if your guild is too small, you can't even sign up, all part of recent changes, if you want to actually play this degenerate of a mode, consider joining a bigger more active guild

[viscid patio]

Is this mode fun

[tender elm]

Yes

[viscid patio]

[obtuse badger]

Fun, is a matter of opinion, very guild/league dependent

[lament lichen]

shell system is a lot more fun than army

[viscid patio]

Oh ok
So rewards based on guild

[tender elm]

Wtf bob

[obtuse badger]

Tower is the most fun because it encourages you to become enemies with your guildies going for the limited time first to arrive rewards

[rose bay]

😭

[rose bay]

Yes

I lost the race had no more stamina 🙈

[sullen sequoia]

loool @urban skiff @real mist people already hate the game mode, now they cant even find it anymore because it moved from the start page to being buried way down in the guild tab. good job hahahaha

shit's hilarious, i bet at least half the players wont even bother searching for it, because they think expedition is finally gone

[urban skiff]

I completely understand your confusion regarding the "Expedition" feature seemingly disappearing after the recent update in the Companions version. Please do not worry, the feature has not been removed; its entrance has simply been relocated.

Please allow me to explain the new layout for this event:

If you are referring to the Expedition event, please note that following the recent update, we have connected the Expedition system directly with the Guild map.

[sullen sequoia]

I also understand your confusion mr. chatbot. I already stated that it's buried in the guild tab.

[urban skiff]

In fact, this reply is also to avoid confusion among other players.
I apologize for the inconvenience caused by the new display position.I will record your opinion and report it to our team to see if there will be some changes about it in the future.

[sullen sequoia]

you do silly animated introductions for every little change, but not for this one 😄

side note: expedition chat is broken

or at least there are 2 chat tabs called "guild" and one is just empty. expedition chat tab disappeared

[true rapids]

Yeah the guild UI is a mess and ugly (i don't understand the point of it)

And is really hard to find the new expedition button

[sullen sequoia]

oh we also dont have the league chat anymore

hahaha

[true rapids]

Which we didn't need to have a lot of extra steps to enter

[sullen sequoia]

i'm dying

[true rapids]

I have 2 guild chats

[sullen sequoia]

hey i have another one

one of my guild mates got fucking tide shells in his UI again and no more army units

🤣

[true rapids]

Wait i neither have the expedition chat

So neither my league or the global expedition chats

Are we QA testers? I mean, this issue is happening to everyone

[sullen sequoia]

yes, we've always been for expedition

check this out, screenshot from one player in my guild

[true rapids]

[sullen sequoia]

tide shells. he can also buy the old cards

RoS is gone

🤣

[true rapids]

What haha

[rose bay]

Isnt this companions?

[sullen sequoia]

we've had the army units system since multiple seasons now

😄

[true rapids]

@sullen sequoia just got this

[sullen sequoia]

yes nice

[true rapids]

I'm a tyde shell user now

[sullen sequoia]

he just said he went to campaign screen and back to expedition, now he got tide shells and army units

[true rapids]

Got the same yeah haha

[sullen sequoia]

great fun

[true rapids]

Yeah super fun that i can't communicate with anyone in expedition

[sullen sequoia]

league mail seems to still work at least

who are you with?

[true rapids]

Solstice, I'm not a deputy, but idk having a bug where i can't see any chat is amazing

[sullen sequoia]

ok. i'm already talking with some of the solstice/fh/... group about all the fun new bugs

they're aware 😄

[true rapids]

Also i cannot buy any treasure @urban skiff . Please fix all this huge amount of bugs

[sullen sequoia]

first step of removing the bug was already done by removing the big buttom from the home screen (the one with the ship). now only the remaining content of that left

[urban skiff]

It seems that you don't have enough crystals to unlock it. You can obtain crystals by occupying relevant mining areas and other means.

[leaden gazelle]

you are in the shell menu

[sullen sequoia]

seems like you don't have enough tide shells to buy spirit powers yet

[leaden gazelle]

to fix simply open and close menu until its fix

you are welcome

[sullen sequoia]

please go a few seasons back and obtain some

xD

[true rapids]

Please i beg you stop with the bot response and just see the chat

[sullen sequoia]

ahahaha i can't even 🤣

[true rapids]

Even if the game goes back to army, it's still displayed as 0

Or is just rng ?

[leaden gazelle]

i'm personnaly fully stuck on shell

[leaden gazelle]

don't know

[true rapids]

We might need nyro solution of going back to the past!

[leaden gazelle]

true

nah i'm 100% stuck on shell

omg

[true rapids]

Welcome to the club

[leaden gazelle]

look i have shell

now

i'm in a new game

let me out

[true rapids]

At least you have crystals with sells

I don't when it turns to shells

[leaden gazelle]

yup

i can buy stuff now

ahah

[leaden gazelle]

i took a mine stuff while been in shell mode

change everyhting in ui to shell and i could buy

[sullen sequoia]

look, the map now shows questionsmarks for confused players all over expedition

[leaden gazelle]

i'm back on the other side

[sullen sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/talene-afk-arena-burn-it-all-gif-19187202

is that a hint that we are going back to good ol' tide shells next season?

[prisma ivy]

[leaden gazelle]

i have the same now

ehhehe

not closing the game for 4 h to get the shell

[prisma ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/the-shell-has-spoken-magic-gif-19450862

[hasty void]

It sure is nice to know the third zone is open so no one would think about nuking a casual guild at zone 1 🗿

[tender elm]

[spice thicket]

seeing how companion share reward and team up to have less stressful event
lilith decided to force classic go full chaos ...

[obtuse badger]

Nobody expected them to remove the 160/160 massive teams and just reduce to gvg

But that's not a bad thing... The extra 90 people tend to not read instructions

Unless multiple Nihi groups got placed together

[weak trail]

Yeaaah it's impressively jank

Lillith is very good at not listening to players and than being confused why people are not happy

[leaden gazelle]

its was a proposition of top guild of companion to have a test season with guild vs guild

guess classic got the test

[spice thicket]

Currently they put 12 random guild into a map , after this season , they gonna divine them into diamond , gold , silver , bronze league

That's when pure chaos begin , when most of guild have kinda same level of power ( or atleast half of them )

Classic GF : no change team , map almost the same . No random newplayer join

[leaden gazelle]

way more than 12 guild

for classic

yeah now its choas as no one is place

the proposition was to avoid the actual meta that is to kick everyone and make ally league everywhere

[tender elm]

during old version, maps with top guilds were just the top 5ish guilds all consolidating into two leagues anyway

screwing over the rest unfortunate

[leaden gazelle]

yeah

now the top 5 guild make everyone win a bit

its less selfish we do rotation

but still

[rose bay]

After this season matchmaking will be alot fairer and casual guilds will be matched with their own so they can have much more even battles

[leaden gazelle]

and lose against pve because there are not enough active player

i'm ready to see it

[rose bay]

Well atleast its not bigger/stronger guilds bullying anymore

[leaden gazelle]

true

[hasty void]

I highly doubt it, from this season alone I can see 3 guilds that are well above Bronce being in Bronce because the other guilds are just whale guilds

Even then, what the heck will the next season accomplish if they leave diamond rank open, like, people from bronce that reach diamond will get thrown against whales or what? 😅

[rose bay]

Guilds are not bronze when they are much better unless u have the most randomly stacked league ever

[rose bay]

Why would a bronze guild suddenly reach diamond ?

[spice thicket]

if u are in bronze , only 2 scenario
your u too lazy / too weak
or
your neighbor is a D ...

cuz 90% of the guild are willing to share zone 1 , even zone 2 , if their neighbor nicely ask

[rose bay]

We will see how the matchmaking turns out next time

[hasty void]

Option neighbors are a D lol

Yellow one is taking over again because they got cut off in zone 2 and can't get their teams through.
Brown-red league just for some reason sent 180+ teams against us in zone 1 because we took the city level 5 that allows to play the tower up to floor 120

Like, they haven't even attempted to fight in zone 2 in the last 5 days, they are just eating us lol

Anyways, realistically, my zone is just screwed even if we had good activity in the event.
I have to be awake at 1 AM to 2 AM to play because my entire guild has no players with a better time that are also interested in this event, or know how to play it.

The first days I did allow someone else to play, the only member that connects at 10 pm at his zone, but he kinda messed up and felt discouraged to continue (didn't help that the yellow ended up being aggressive and diminishedus at the second round)

[leaden gazelle]

if they play with an other league as ally they can go around to try get an other gate

[hasty void]

Seeing the other leagues, I highly doubt it (the other half of the map is just 3 big leagues: top 100 abex, green one and purple one that's also similar in strength)

Tbh, I don't mind anymore, they already made our league miss every time related rewards since round 1. I managed to finish the missions and will only start wars for some members that are about to finish them too

Lmao

[leaden gazelle]

oh

[leaden gazelle]

yeah no chance for them to win

[cinder wasp]

Anyone know why when we successfully defended a tower 2x in a row, 4/5 of my commanders and queued people got yeeted for no reason?

And I can't invite the yeeted commanders to any other towers

Is it just afk arena jank or intended mechanic?

[spice thicket]

U can not defend 2 tower at the same time

Try to avoid attack npc tower with your current defend line up

[cinder wasp]

Different lineups

I have 1 for defense 1 for attack, and commanders are different

Somehow those 4 commanders and their lives just got yeeted

And I can't invite them to defend any other tower

[spice thicket]

Yeah cuz they already join another tower ...

U gonna need 60 active player ...

[cinder wasp]

Ohhhhh nah they're queued in the attack I see now

Yeah alright