companions-chat

[teal wind]

about the game

[weak blaze]

Depends

[runic salmon]

#companions-questions

read the pinned messages before u ask a question

[weak blaze]

If it’s a good question right here

[hollow river]

To 45 I go

[weak blaze]

If not #classic-chat try here @teal wind

[teal wind]

no i guess it’s pretty common. it’s about what to invest in

[weak blaze]

Letsgo

[runic salmon]

read the pinned comments brochacho

[teal wind]

i heard you man

[weak blaze]

Type =compguide in the questions channel qencon showed you

[runic salmon]

it tells u what to invest in

good luck

[teal wind]

what if i want to hear subjective opinion

[runic salmon]

ping cayan

[weak blaze]

What do you wanna here

[runic salmon]

[weak blaze]

Sybau

[hollow river]

Trish

Also sheltear is like hot ass nowadays

[teal wind]

do i feed anasta to skreg yes or no

[runic salmon]

what is ur skreg at

[teal wind]

mythic

[runic salmon]

i wouldnt

[teal wind]

anasta not trash?

[runic salmon]

worth saving for late game

[teal wind]

ah okay

[runic salmon]

incase the game wants u to have a5 anasta

[teal wind]

why would the game want me to have that

[runic salmon]

cause the game is fked

thats why

[teal wind]

fair

[runic salmon]

same reason the game gives me 4 isabells in my past 120 spins

[hollow river]

@weak blaze Shalltear teams haunt me more then gywn teams nowadays

[teal wind]

😭

that’s crazy

[weak blaze]

Fr

Guys I need help

[hollow river]

Big iperx

[timber cipher]

mortas vs enemy healer tech is intresting

[vapid lava]

No I meant with Cha

[hollow river]

With

[weak blaze]

Why is he si30

[hollow river]

Cha be fine there

[weak blaze]

Its time for a new pfp

[timber cipher]

cause i play alliance

[weak blaze]

I can’t decide

I have a couple pics I can’t choose between

[hollow river]

I’ll try to help but I also gotta push

[timber cipher]

tl;dr mortas has the best base stat spread in the entire game

in companions stats are important

[weak blaze]

I wanna make Mortas work so bad

[vapid lava]

Yeah yours isnt E

Lol

[weak blaze]

I can’t choose

Fuck

[vapid lava]

Get fucked

[runic salmon]

no way

[weak blaze]

Whoever wants to help me ill dm

[teal wind]

bruh how do i get any celestials/hypogean from regular rolls is that even possible

[hollow river]

He uses a partner one too

[vapid lava]

Super luck

[hollow river]

I can help just give me a few minutes

[vapid lava]

Just split it into two messages

[runic salmon]

@vapid lava i might be cooked

[timber cipher]

m+ mortas has compareable stats to an a4 - a5 unit already - just saying

[weak blaze]

@timber cipher I don’t have many questions ready but when you get your work things done tell me as soon as you have time so we can make some crazy guide

[weak blaze]

That’s his si30 included

[timber cipher]

yea

i chose a +21 a5 unit specifically

because i could also show a +12 and say mhh mortas so good

[teal wind]

that’s really promising

[weak blaze]

Lemme give him mythic gear and upgrade it

[teal wind]

i’m so lucky that i can’t get another copy of trish for more than 150 rolls

not even talking about celestials

[weak blaze]

Already did that huh

[vapid lava]

How many days

Just from the past 2

[runic salmon]

since yesterday

[timber cipher]

i think mortas can work as antiheal because he steal healing to himself - but you need the right setup and fight where he doesnt get invaded

[vapid lava]

[weak blaze]

This is him sorted by CR

[vapid lava]

Cooked ngl

[runic salmon]

its okay im almost ch 41

it makes up for it

[vapid lava]

I normally get upset when I see celehypos instead of my wishlist heroes

So

[runic salmon]

except if its talene

only one i like to see is talene

[vapid lava]

True

Talene or Selene

Or Khazard

But still

[runic salmon]

id rather see mortas than khazard

i can get him to leg if i get the 41-10 copy

[weak blaze]

@timber cipher so Mortas works best when there’s 1 good enemy healer and 1 carry that gets all that heal?

[vapid lava]

Eh

[timber cipher]

not really, you kinda need a frontline that provides tankyness for him to survive - mortas just funnels the healing into himself

[teal wind]

is mortas usable at one copy? i have him but dont know what to do with him

[timber cipher]

at low diff yes

[teal wind]

yeah he falls off compared to the rest of my comp

[timber cipher]

(recently on my f2p on like 90-100 lvl diff - works still as buffer)

yea he is not supposed to deal dmg

[weak blaze]

All the healing?

[timber cipher]

he gives an op atk/as steroid

[timber cipher]

yes'nt he doesnt remove the enemy healing, he just receives it aswell

i hoped that he'd remove the healing and steal it completly for him

[weak blaze]

Well then he kinda sounds useless

Or is that just for his survivability to buff the dps

[timber cipher]

i mean if you can buff something that has huge healing or life steal - i don't think that it sounds useless, specifically with how tanky he himself is

[weak blaze]

Fe?

[timber cipher]

yea he may not stand up to like your current best tanks - but after he's build i think we get good use out of him

[timber cipher]

give ya the p2w classic but if you buff a lucretia with that, shes gonna slap the whole stage

(i dont have her, but she has insane dps, attackspeed and lifesteal and gets more atk and attackspeed from mortas)

[hollow river]

I’m gonna destroy my sleep schedule to get chapter 45

[timber cipher]

currently I'd have to say maybe smth with merlin, laios, talene or aSolise

[timber cipher]

the afk arena tryhard classic

i will crash out if i get the network issue

[runic salmon]

fk this solise comp

[hollow river]

I’m so close but not really

[runic salmon]

this is like my 120th run with it

[hollow river]

Cause Shalltear is so rng nowadays

[timber cipher]

we only use her as stall tool, she isnt the highest dps but the best stall unit in the game

[hollow river]

Shallchair

[timber cipher]

still deals a ton of damage most of the time, but like yea struggles to remove stuff on her own

so shall makes fabled pets automatically more broken just by prolonging battle

[hollow river]

I don’t like those

To expensive

[timber cipher]

they're expensive like 15$ a week for "good progress" and aside from that unreliable progress through expedition payout

[pine sable]

do u never sleep buddy

[timber cipher]

but considering hypo/celes i dont think they're too expensive

[timber cipher]

i slept 16+ hours today

[pine sable]

ur schedule is perfect then

[hollow river]

I don’t do them anymore either

[civic rampart]

[pine sable]

u still sick?

[timber cipher]

i feel like i poisoned myslef and after the worst headaches of my life and annoying nausea - i drank a ton of electrolyte water aswell as took like headache medicine inbetween waking up and sleeping

but yea i feel sick af

[hollow river]

Me when I beat this stage

[hollow river]

Damn get better soon

[civic rampart]

I pushed like 12 stages and now I’m eepy

[timber cipher]

is fine-ish now and will visit the doc - but the day yesterday wasnt great

[timber cipher]

gn gn eeper

[hollow river]

Total of like 20 stages the entire day but I feel you

[civic rampart]

I’m not eeping yet

[pine sable]

im sorry to hear that hope ur getting better quickly

[civic rampart]

I gotta play arma with the boys

[pine sable]

ana de armas!

[civic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/arma-3-dance-armotsky-kick-takistan-gif-1856081175372119907

Arma moment

[timber cipher]

have like bloodtests and everything else soon anyways so will probably be fine - but my immune system is kinda fked the pas tweeks and this year wasnt mine lmao

[hollow river]

This gonna work with my A0 si30 cha I’m borrowing or no

[timber cipher]

borrowed cha does pretty well on my f2p a0 +20 /// not compareable dmg to a5 but does the job

isnt as high diffed you tho, only like 90-100 diff

[hollow river]

Understood will continue to try and rng it

This the damage crown did

[timber cipher]

what you def can try doing is switching thoran position to target a more annoying unit (unless you want to target treznor)

and you can always just use oku to taunt treznor

[hollow river]

Perhaps where would I move him too

[pine sable]

where is vanilla guy at?

[hollow river]

He parishes at stage 52

[pine sable]

is he still clearing lower than me?

probably cos hes missing dims right?

[hollow river]

My life is complete

[pine sable]

gz

but now u cant look anymore fuck

[hollow river]

Yeah he has no overlord

He was like 381 last time I copied which was 48

[runic salmon]

rc 381 at ch 44?

[hollow river]

Yep

[runic salmon]

fk im so behind

im at ch40 with rc 370

[hollow river]

He doesn’t even have trans either

A0 Brutus A3 gywn

He’s the goat tbh

[runic salmon]

fk if only i could find his ch40 comps

[hollow river]

Denied

[runic salmon]

[hollow river]

Arth can see his btw @pine sable

Or iperx

[hollow river]

Fr

[pine sable]

why iperx?

[hollow river]

Cause he pushed arths account

I gotta go pass cayan tomorrow

(I won’t be able too)

[timber cipher]

mehira selene is so satisfying

when the enemy can neither use an ability, nor attack

[hollow river]

Selene looks so fine

When it comes to clearing stages

So satisfying to see all the aoes and colors

[timber cipher]

yea her particle effects are soo satisfying to watch

++ hitting 5 enemies with an "autohit" overall just feels very powerful

[ebon sand]

gZ again

[silent ravine]

that’s looks familiar

[hollow river]

Makes me want her

[ebon sand]

Holy!!!! Finally got it too!!, recording time heheheheheheheh

[timber cipher]

gz!!

y0m and me were at it

[ebon sand]

Jesus, repeating that fight I had already won once was cancer²²

[hollow river]

Congrats you two

[ebon sand]

Thanks!

[hollow river]

I’m gonna go to bed now since I’m at chapter 45 now

[ebon sand]

Time to put pushing on hold I think, the RNG factor is becoming nuts

[timber cipher]

gngn imma need to stay awake for some hours to see the doc

[ebon sand]

Oh GZ to you too then! nice

[timber cipher]

but gz!

[pine sable]

why grassy and not ice?

[timber cipher]

frontline salaki

[hollow river]

Thanks

[timber cipher]

is like just abusing 5s of tankyness

[pine sable]

ahh yeah true

[timber cipher]

need a 2nd deer

lmao

[ebon sand]

you know what pisses me off now, iperx?

[timber cipher]

no

[ebon sand]

it's almost impossible to eyeball when 5pull might work or not and that's a big problem

[timber cipher]

thats true

this 5 pull

[ebon sand]

at least for me, I don't have the hypo trick up my sleeve

[timber cipher]

was so sketchy

but its like depends on our enemies

maybe next 5 fight is more forgiving and has a clear grassy orb 5 pull again

we always gotta check our options is whats annoying

and as u said eyeballing that i knew that 5 pull was rough on 3 and 4 but i almost had it working thats why we tried and damn glad that it worked for ya

(i resorted to a backline skriath 5 pull version with zolrath front lmao)

[silent ravine]

5p needed lyca and queen back in the day

And like preferably Brutus

[timber cipher]

nah brutus is giga useless for us

[silent ravine]

However it’s also sketch as shit cuz eironn can randomly fold to the wind for some reason

[timber cipher]

(in 5 pull)

lyca and pippa are needed for us

[silent ravine]

Tamrus would be better

[ebon sand]

how long was it? almost 4hrs or something just to replicate this shit?

[timber cipher]

the skreggs and oku are as bad as like orthroses

[silent ravine]

Actually Tamrus would be a lot better

No Tamrus tho

Or framton but framton better in invade and cheese

[ebon sand]

it looks so easy when I watch the replay lol

[timber cipher]

tbh i completly dont care about classic heroes aslong as they dont announce them for us

would be too much to worry about

we get framton next patch

[silent ravine]

He’s like zappy

[timber cipher]

(tmrw)

[ebon sand]

what's that, framtom?

[timber cipher]

hypogean brwaler

[silent ravine]

He jumps

[timber cipher]

thats goes with invade comps well

[silent ravine]

Gets iframes

[ebon sand]

here or classic?

[timber cipher]

i dont know his kit

[silent ravine]

Then either dies or solos

[timber cipher]

here

[ebon sand]

fuck

[timber cipher]

he is a classic hero

[timber cipher]

he is probably the thing i will abuse to get the awoken hypogean

[timber cipher]

maetria, framton and the melee antiheal invade mauler girl are all coming next patch

[ebon sand]

5 without mehira btw if you're curious

[timber cipher]

damn my athalia neverl ived that

[ebon sand]

satrana or something?

[timber cipher]

++ my skreg also too squishy

yea satrana comes

[silent ravine]

Peak skill

[ebon sand]

I'm gonna skip :/ gotta stop whaling

[silent ravine]

The important thing is he groups enemies

[timber cipher]

understandable im skipping satrana prob getting the value bundles for framton

and then hopefully sit on maetria and will be able to chill till next fabled pet

[silent ravine]

Please be bad

At least worst then pony

[timber cipher]

both fabled pets where meta shifting for companions

[ebon sand]

Idk if lilith has any chill in store for us

[silent ravine]

I wanna build pony so bad

[ebon sand]

there'll be a collab probably soon

oh but you've probably maxed the banner and sit on shitons of spirits

[silent ravine]

Should be announced in 2 weeks

[timber cipher]

o true the x-mas/new year collab like with overlord dims

[timber cipher]

nah i used them on sjw, cha and marci

[silent ravine]

I’m hoping for rezero rerun with reinhard

[timber cipher]

like thats what im sitting on

[silent ravine]

Or new dims are fine ig

[ebon sand]

I'm hoping for Black Clover or Frieren

[timber cipher]

with 0 left

[silent ravine]

But rerun would be nicer

[ebon sand]

sheesh

[civic rampart]

I’m back from hel- I mean arma

[ebon sand]

well if you know you can whale the next one it's fine

[timber cipher]

feel like i had or atleast wanted to pump up t hese ones

[ebon sand]

yeah I also would've if I could

[timber cipher]

cause like almost everyone sits on so many tran heroes nowadays

[ebon sand]

at least T2 SJW and T1 cha

[timber cipher]

i still havent t3 unlocked yet lmao

[ebon sand]

I got T3 Rowan tonight!

[civic rampart]

I haven’t even unlocked t2

[timber cipher]

wp!!

i have almost trishea, mishka and mira ready

[civic rampart]

☹️

[ebon sand]

I wish it was Salaki but I'll take it

[timber cipher]

but am like 8 heroes off t3 or smth like that

[ebon sand]

getting the last ones is pain

I waited weeks for one copy of I can't even remember who

I kept getting wrong heroes of their faction, it was annoying af

[timber cipher]

i mean you gotta get more copies for the t3s you wanna do anyways so

it is what it is

[ebon sand]

I already have enough copies of trish to T4 her, probably will never happen though lol

fucking requirements

[timber cipher]

geez

i think as soon as you can have 25 of the same heroes in wishlist it should go quite fast

but as soon as we sidetrack to a5 one of the newer heroes it will always slow the process down

and re-tran newer heroes as like a safiya then

[ebon sand]

forgot to do it, it's my ritual :p

and it might be the last for a long while

[timber cipher]

48-14 seems ass

skregg with magic resist from grezhul and numisu healing

[ebon sand]

in the sense of easy to wipe or stinky af?

I haven't looked

[timber cipher]

not using pegasus challenge lmao

[ebon sand]

you're already going at it? gimme a break lol

[civic rampart]

Minecraft ahh floor

[ebon sand]

oh I hadn't checked, it's a middle fight, I thought you were on the big stage already

I beat -13 with the haelus sjw team I used in KT but doesn't seem to do it for this one

[pine sable]

lol

[ebon sand]

nvm, just had to switch positions

1,63B lol

[timber cipher]

yea haelus cubes are kinda crazy

[ebon sand]

fucking cancer numisu

[timber cipher]

damn the no aBrutus wins

[timber cipher]

so true 2nd worst healer after talene

spwan 5000 more totems please

[ebon sand]

It was really close

[timber cipher]

small loan of 1.6B dmg

[ebon sand]

oof the next one is fucking brutal

[timber cipher]

the 171 level diff is already brutal for me

[ebon sand]

gonna need some maulers I think

[timber cipher]

respen oku and eironn annoyance

[ebon sand]

yeah I got insta blasted to hell with no return ticket

[timber cipher]

l se with 1.1B+

all 5 enemies alive btw

or vurk may have died idk

[ebon sand]

I want a dps that cancels healers

[timber cipher]

sjw and athalia have already 100% antiheal but still it feels like

[ebon sand]

got 2 ults in then floped

love SJW getting fucked by Oku after he ulted like 5 times already

he should be unkillable at this point but no, Oku always finds a way

got it!

it's funny to me that the deer and grassy orb are still my best pets to this day

this deer is nothing special either

I have another one to use with wilders at a6 but this one is cool for all purpose teams, I'll never sacrifice it

[timber cipher]

yea but the 30% dmg reduction for 10s is really carrying us lmao

[ebon sand]

oh shit forgot to record -15 and clicked the screen like a moron, if you can do it for me when you can I'd appreciate

[silent ravine]

There’s oddly no dps like that besides sjw

Even in classic it’s heal reduction not 100% anti heal

[ebon sand]

that'd be too op I guess

I feel like broken healers is their easiest way to slow us down

well they could make full celehypos stages but then no one would ever progress again

imagine fighting the meta teams in campaign

might as well uninstall lol

[silent ravine]

Wait til you see eluard

That bastard is so fucking tanky for no reason

The big 3 of bullshit dogshit heroes in classic campaign

Is flora

Tasi

And respen/eluard

[ebon sand]

thanks a lot!

[timber cipher]

we have flora, tasi and respen stages

oku, skregg and orthros

aswell as numisu and salaki deserver honorable mentions

[ebon sand]

yeah, now at Si30 Salaki doesn't get pulled so that's an immediate no 5pull fight

this one's gonna be "fun"

I think I need a couple days to recover before attempting anything lol

4 fights in -16 have 4 resonance bonus and one fight is 3+2

the game is gonna get borin I think, new heroes are cool but the core of the problem remains the deficit, we'd need some crazy events that gives +20 lvls or something

enemies are almost lvl600 by now it's unsustainable I think

[vapid lava]

What about a grez combo, he can be pretty terrible too

[silent ravine]

There was a eluard flora stage that forced me to pump rc, which wasn’t fun

[timber cipher]

grez is also annoying because of magic resist, but usally more managable with some kind of physical

Specially 5 pull deletes him

[ebon sand]

thanks lilith

what about you, iperx, got something?

[vapid lava]

Should I be 5 pulling this?

[timber cipher]

welp atleast its mythic i got l+

[vapid lava]

Oh yay, it's like a reward. Kinda

[ebon sand]

[timber cipher]

seems very 5 pullable - skregg might be annoying and maybe a safiya 5 pull angle

but if not done by others, try it

[silent ravine]

They just need to release the small power boosts yall missing like dura arti, tree and t4 gear

Dura arti being a big one

[runic salmon]

We don't even have t3 gear

[ebon sand]

my E+ Ezizh is almost fully stuffed now, yippi

[timber cipher]

other than that you could just do oku taunt on grezhul

and the other heroes of 5 pull except for eironn and have like a lyca trishea clearing it

[silent ravine]

I honestly don’t know why they tefuse to release gear

[timber cipher]

trish has enough pen to deal with grezhul

and with mishka oku front should be good enough

[timber cipher]

i dont mind it

we have some slow and steady progress

[ebon sand]

treznor can be annoying VS 5 pull but definitely worth a try

or a multitude of tries xD

[timber cipher]

like t2 stones are expedition and event only

even if we get t3

it will be event only

[ebon sand]

at this point I don't even want T3 gear without new sources for fodders

[runic salmon]

1 t3 stone every 6 months

[silent ravine]

Bear did mention he’s not allowed to talk about lab

[timber cipher]

she lmao

[runic salmon]

They said they aren't adding lab anytime soon I think

[timber cipher]

thats good to know tho

[runic salmon]

I might be forgetting idk tho

[ebon sand]

I don't even know what to do with my stones cuz I'm alway lvling gear left and right :X

[silent ravine]

Iirc she said she wasn’t allowed to talk about it

[timber cipher]

only thing i find from bearr

[ebon sand]

biggest gripes in this game for me, lack of fodders and factionless shit

[timber cipher]

fodder gear*

we have enough fodder heroes but yea more fodder gear would be great

[silent ravine]

Or another rgm but I’m pretty sure the games too young for rgms

[ebon sand]

it's a necessity imo

[timber cipher]

atleast my money isnt 10000M rather 10B

[silent ravine]

Actually why isn’t dura colls here

That’s like tied to the lore and shit

[timber cipher]

i feel like you are ragebaiting lmao

think we talked about that like 8 times already and half of it with you there

[silent ravine]

I’m a honest man

[runic salmon]

Oh wait it was the dimensional tower that they aren't adding

[ebon sand]

a lot of things are tied to having a better guildshop, right? something that can't happen without lab I think I've read before if they follow classic

[timber cipher]

idk you play classic and complain about companions in here a lot

[silent ravine]

Pretty sure that was something classic was asking for

[ebon sand]

that's kinda stupid not to give us things we need because they won't release one mode for some reasons if that's the cause

[timber cipher]

that was my question lmao

but prob also from classic

[silent ravine]

They denied it a while back iirc

We asked for it right after slime collab

[timber cipher]

i think we have enough dims in both games to do it

[silent ravine]

Cuz by then there’s enough dims for 3t

[ebon sand]

the problem is probably that it'd be too much work for them

[silent ravine]

Arena seems to be managed by a skeleton team

[timber cipher]

talene boss with tasi and hendrik seems like fun

[vapid lava]

You are kinda him. It's working better

[runic salmon]

They too focused on the main money maker ROK

[silent ravine]

Isn’t it afk journey

[timber cipher]

oops meant to taunt the treznor

[vapid lava]

Lyca or Nevanthi for last spot

[runic salmon]

Nah rok has the big krakens

[timber cipher]

and to mishka the oku

[ebon sand]

I'd be curious to know how much they make with AKF VS servers cost and salaries

[timber cipher]

yea like that

[timber cipher]

lyca is prob best for shotgun trish

[silent ravine]

It’s roughly like 1.6m gross

Not including salaries and server costs

[timber cipher]

if not pippa 20 then nevanthi instead of pippa

[ebon sand]

on what timeframe, month?

[silent ravine]

Per month yes

For both classic and companions combined

[timber cipher]

can also try aSolise instead of pippa if aSolise is not necessary elsewhere

[vapid lava]

I kinda need to keep in mind the sol for team 5 is aSol

But okay

[ebon sand]

I guess it's from sensortowers or similar website but I'm curious to know how much it costs them to run the game

[runic salmon]

You should check rok gross

[silent ravine]

I’m scared to know

[runic salmon]

It's insane

[silent ravine]

wtf it’s like 80m a month

[runic salmon]

The games crazy p2w that's why

[vapid lava]

Main issue is Skreg surviving with Rosa

He is somehow more tanky than grez

Sheeesh

[silent ravine]

Na actually that just solidifies my theory that they have a skeleton crew on arena

[timber cipher]

i don't think too much aside from storage for the videos

and even them they're only kept for one patch and then deleted and marked as outdated

[silent ravine]

Servers should only be like 50k

A month

Game isn’t that big

[timber cipher]

naah way less if they host their own datacenters

[silent ravine]

If they host their own it should be like 10k ish?

[vapid lava]

Not to bother you further iperx but if you look at team 2 and 5 that's where my wilders are being used.

[timber cipher]

initial invest is more, but monthly cost is like

[silent ravine]

Google data server prices lowkey expensive

I remember watching a documentary about 2b2t and hause was mentioning that they spend roughly 3k a month to keep servers up

[timber cipher]

it varies based on licenses ++ electricity ++ bandwidth (inbound/outobund)

[vapid lava]

And whatever servers they use they don't store all the clear data or something, or we would be able to see more of it from the people we follow

[silent ravine]

The servers I work with are 1.6m
Each

[timber cipher]

and if they have like some open source proxmox servers - they can come by with very little expenses

but if they have like vmware/hyperv and like veeam for backup and other western state of the art solutions then its way more expensive yea

[silent ravine]

VMware is very useful

[timber cipher]

all hypervisors are

it doesnt matter whether its proxmox, vmware or hyperv or smth else

tbh

[ebon sand]

I know it's wrong but I have this funny picture in my head of the AFK servers ran on phones like in botfarms

[silent ravine]

Our server runs VMware with hyper v

[vapid lava]

Pretty sure VMware is the standard at this point

[silent ravine]

Idk why they needed 2

[timber cipher]

no you have like 2 hypervisors but both run vmware no?

[silent ravine]

Yeah inside the vm there’s also the hyper v manager

[timber cipher]

if you have vmware and in the virtual vmware environment a hyperv environment then it def sounds like someone does weird stuff

[vapid lava]

Box within a box

[timber cipher]

that kinda makes no sense because you can already split machines virtually in vmware

it is like having a virtual box in a virtual box

or a emulator in a emulator

like you can do that, but its a different license with costs

[vapid lava]

Yeah I use stuff like that to get around sudo privileges but it's an environment within a vm basically

[ebon sand]

Have you checked the Valve hardware announcements?

[timber cipher]

yea crazy what they dropped

[ebon sand]

The Frame VR headset is crazy, runs on Linux with ARM HW can run Windows game

[silent ravine]

I’m pretty sure that they got 2 contracts alr and didn’t want to waste them

So they just said fuck it

[ebon sand]

It's X86 to ARM and Windows to Linux

[silent ravine]

Throw them together

[timber cipher]

get someone to manage your cost mangement

[vapid lava]

Lotta extra work though for what

[timber cipher]

someone fricks up stuff

[silent ravine]

It’s the government

[timber cipher]

but it is what it is

that usally happens when you have fluctuation in it

[vapid lava]

Poor man's air gap

[timber cipher]

and one person is more versitile in the one environment than the other

and says we need XYZ now

[silent ravine]

They like throwing money away istg

[timber cipher]

and then you just keep old licenses + new licenses and then maybe you have more fluctuation

and next person doesnt know what is going on

[silent ravine]

We’ve been stuck on 6300 for a while

[timber cipher]

and says "yep i wont change the running system"

[vapid lava]

Tell me about it. And then there is no money for what is actually needed

[silent ravine]

Then they gave us 6400s

And they are equally shit

I hate how often that shit just bricks

[vapid lava]

Ig just throw more money at it

That's their solution

[silent ravine]

No cuz they are cheap about that

[civic rampart]

I love spending money

[silent ravine]

Specifically the laptops

[vapid lava]

Well they need to be "secure"

So they need to keep the laptops in the dark ages

[ebon sand]

With the DDR prices going bonkers I think even the big corpos will think twice before renewing hundreds of systems at once

[silent ravine]

I wanted to build a pc but ig I can go fuck myself

[ebon sand]

Yeah now is not a good time and it might last 2 years

[silent ravine]

Might as well stick to the trusty Mac that can’t run shit

[ebon sand]

Unless the ai bubble bursts suddenly and data centers are dismantled all over the world

[vapid lava]

I mean you would think that

[vapid lava]

But yeah let's be real

[ebon sand]

If the Steam Machine that was recently announced doesn't suffer too much from this crisis, it'll probably be the best cost/performance ratio PC for a long time

[vapid lava]

We need the AI bubble cavitation for that to happen

[silent ravine]

The ai bubble ain’t gonna burst any time soon

[ebon sand]

Yeah sadly

[silent ravine]

At this rate we might hit agi before the bubble bursts

[ebon sand]

But it's turning the world upside down

[silent ravine]

And by then it’s too late

[vapid lava]

We need the general use ones to get more limits

Less use

[silent ravine]

Like it could have stopped at gpt 3.5

Then the ai wars happened and went to shit

[vapid lava]

Although tbh Gemini is quite good

[ebon sand]

We were afraid of AIs gaining consciousness and killing us all, instead we got billionaires circulating billions in a circle for LLMs that can't really replace humans all the way but it doesn't matter the magic money keeps coming

[timber cipher]

tbf i think ais are just tools just like where people were scared of factories at first

people will learn to work with 'em and thats about it

[silent ravine]

It’s like ok at a lot of things

[timber cipher]

its not that deep yet

[silent ravine]

It’s good enough

[runic sparrow]

LLMs are useful but this is a massive bubble with so much overpromising/underdelivering and valuations are purely VC gambling

[silent ravine]

However it does make the job market atrociously bad for computer engineers

[vapid lava]

It definitely has it's place but certainly isn't idiot proof

[runic sparrow]

companies would have to 100x their current revenue for their valuations/costs to keep up

[vapid lava]

Yes, and while they are currently doing x times well they aren't doing quite that well

[timber cipher]

i mean there are other based AIs based on algorithms that detected like faces f.e. in china and usa on like airports or other public infrastructure for like 10-15+ years

aswell as for highways with care already aswell for 5-10+ years

[silent ravine]

Agi is the ultimate goal of these companies so they can just massively cut costs

[ebon sand]

Yeah it has great potential but currently it's just burning coal and running nuclear power plants to provide internet slop, the percentage of actual useful use of AIs is probably ridiculously low compared to the thousands of Gigawatts burned for shit

[runic sparrow]

I'm well aware, I'm a data scientist on a team working with AI in my day job

:p

[silent ravine]

I just run the servers and shit

[vapid lava]

Alot of isreali development within the facial recognition realm as well as cameras. Casinos within Las Vegas as well, work with them and also develope their own. Past 10-15 years at least

[runic sparrow]

computer vision is pretty well solved at this point from what I understand, the key 'improvements' lately have just been consolidating data + throwing massive amounts of compute at the problem

[ebon sand]

I'm sure most countries that say they don't use facial recognition with AIs are all lying through their teeth

[silent ravine]

Just throw money

[vapid lava]

I think there is a preliminary study with the estimate power use and stress on the grid. Pretty sure it's bad

[runic sparrow]

it works until it doesn't :p

[ebon sand]

Like the Louvres heist, they figured out who and where the culprits were suspiciously fast

[timber cipher]

agreed, if you have like a passport in a country they have that picture in a database and they can just crosscheck with that

[ebon sand]

But it's supposed to be illegal afaik

[silent ravine]

It will work eventually once enough money is thrown and enough data is fed

But at what cost

[runic sparrow]

meh, anything in an urban area these days has so much 'open source' video that it's hard to get away with anything if someones willing to put the resources into doing it

stores cctvs, ring doorbells, random ppls videos, etc

half the companies that do doorbell cameras sell that data to police departments now iirc

[vapid lava]

They go pretty in depth

https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/05/20/1116327/ai-energy-usage-climate-footprint-big-tech/

Warning it's like 40 pages

[timber cipher]

good source

[silent ravine]

The us is on the verge of economic collapse

[runic sparrow]

I'd be more interested in efficiency gains, more data centers are just a bandaid solution that doesn't solve the inherent problem of compute being a finite resource

linear 'solutions' to an infinite problem

[silent ravine]

They can’t push too hard otherwise 2008 happens again

[runic sparrow]

oh this is all gonna crash and burn within the next coupla years, guarantee it

[ebon sand]

I've put that in a tab I'll check after I get some sleep, gonna go soon

[silent ravine]

The damage is done alr by then

All the trillions spent can’t be taken back

[ebon sand]

The circle will turn into a flatline

[runic sparrow]

yea but it hasnt affected the 'average' person yet

not significantly

when the stock market nosedives it will

[silent ravine]

There’s always the route of war to forcefully restart the economy

But that’s like

Dystopian shit

[ebon sand]

I think this world is dystopian enough already

[vapid lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565578751715573770/1292345353546367036/1260982430374826054.gif

[runic sparrow]

depending on the war itll either be a nothingburger or itll be ww3

🤷‍♂️

[silent ravine]

[ebon sand]

If you could grab someone from the 90s and throw them into now they'd go bonkers at what the world has turned into

[silent ravine]

We are cooked if it’s ww3

[vapid lava]

Wouldn't be ideal

[silent ravine]

Some major country is getting fractured

It’s not gonna be pretty

[vapid lava]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-gif-8971642892483725157

We are already deep into the ww3 cold war with cyber warfare

[runic sparrow]

anywhosies

[vapid lava]

[ebon sand]

I learned that Mexico is on fire right now

It's a narc state and ppl are beginning to fight against it

On average there's like 60 politicians a month that gets killed per month by the cartels

Even their president is in it

[vapid lava]

Yeah I knew there was a few, didnt know that many

They assassinated multiple presidential nominees

It's insane there

[silent ravine]

We should go back to arguing about video games

It’s much more fun

[ebon sand]

Anyway, gonna fall asleep to some Star Trek, the future in that universe isn't as bleak as ours

[winged leaf]

@timber cipher or @weak blaze guys have u time? Im kinda done with 44-48 already have 150 attempts 🥲

[sleek field]

T2 unlocked 🔥

[civic rampart]

Congrats

I’m trying to see if Waz will let me pilot their acc

[pine sable]

gz

[timid briar]

hello

i'm back from my loong weeekedn

[civic rampart]

Welcum back

[timid briar]

i have no more leg and feet

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

[civic rampart]

[timid briar]

a full day in disney paris wake up at 6am end of the day 1 am (the next day)no way i'm doing this again

[pine sable]

get me out of my lecture i already know all of this

[timid briar]

eh oh

how should they know

[pine sable]

i have to participate for a chance to get a recommendation letter for a scholarship

so i just sit here in boredom

[pine sable]

did u give 46-4 some attempts already?

[timid briar]

i start

[pine sable]

it was an absolute pain in the ass for me

[timid briar]

did'nt have time befor

[pine sable]

had to do everything from scratch basically

[pine sable]

u can just copy skribu i think

[timid briar]

i will try

[pine sable]

actually nvm

he used selene and leo lmao

[timid briar]

i will use daddy one

[pine sable]

he copied me

lmfao

i didnt see that until now

[timid briar]

nah some stuff change

[pine sable]

yeah ik but most if it is copied

[timid briar]

yup

[pine sable]

he has been following me for a while now

ofc hes at 46-8 now lol

i beat it yesterday and he already copied the formations i used cos skribus arent usable

bro is quick af

[timid briar]

yup

perma connected and trying

[pine sable]

“for free” love this

[timid briar]

omg

[runic salmon]

for free

[pine sable]

how is it going on 4?

[runic salmon]

Only after spending 10k dollars

[civic rampart]

Well yes

[timid briar]

i'm on 4-3

[civic rampart]

But also no

[pine sable]

so free basically

[civic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[pine sable]

thats so accurate lmao

i forgot about this meme

[civic rampart]

I loved that movie

I have it on disc

[timid briar]

that the sjw stage so luck of him killing everything

[civic rampart]

Average Mezoth gameplay

[pine sable]

45-58 was such a terrible one team stage too

[pine sable]

pvp or campaign?

[civic rampart]

Campaign

[timid briar]

yeha

[civic rampart]

Actually

[civic rampart]

Yes

[pine sable]

petition to rename campaign into cam-pain

[timid briar]

its just because we are pushing too much

[pine sable]

im literally squeezing out every last drop

i think ill hit a brick wall soon with my box

[civic rampart]

I’ve been up all night watching this stage run auto

I know it will work

I just can’t prove it yet

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[timid briar]

nah (just the t2 needed wall)

[pine sable]

just adjust it bruh

[civic rampart]

It’s just rng

[pine sable]

i need celehypos

[civic rampart]

Someone cleared it with lower SIs

[pine sable]

how many hours has it been running?

[timid briar]

i have one more hypo than you

and its not up

[civic rampart]

Well I’ve been slowly changing it all night so

[pine sable]

i have talene build and my haelus is a0

its so cooked

[civic rampart]

This run was like 30 minutes

[pine sable]

did it work?

otherwise just try complaining

[timid briar]

i have talene and mortas a0 and lucretia a1 (si10)

[civic rampart]

I need more hypos

[pine sable]

“camplaigning” get it

[civic rampart]

[timid briar]

i need more hypo for new awakened

[pine sable]

okay time to get the kids to school after that one

we arent beating the unc allegations

[civic rampart]

Same

I need two specifically

[pine sable]

i need more celes for atalene

[civic rampart]

[pine sable]

just to never use her cos i already have access to her anyways

my back hurts so bad holy fuck im old

[civic rampart]

Oldy

[pine sable]

but goldy

actually just old nvm

[civic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-ball-magic-you-know-ball-ykb-magic-ykb-gif-25740660

[pine sable]

22 its over for me soon

hopefully

been praying for those times

gmo life sucks

i wanna cancel my free subscription ty

[timid briar]

don't there is no other option they will force you to get a new one that is worse than the current

[pine sable]

nooooo

dont get me a new one smh

[runic salmon]

They gonna respawn you as a nigerian

Big ahh forehead

[civic rampart]

Gonna respawn in a third world country

[runic salmon]

India perchance

[civic rampart]

Perchance

[pine sable]

nor

u cant just say perchance

also no thanks

pls make it finite

[civic rampart]

Mayhaps

Finally beat the stage Jesus

Now I can sleep

[timid briar]

gn

[pine sable]

gz and good night

[pine sable]

making any progress?

[timid briar]

i'm working not looking at it

[sleek field]

Whoop maetria drops tomorrow

[pine sable]

excuses smh

[timid briar]

nah i'm still on the 3

[pine sable]

“for free”

[timid briar]

luck not on my side

[pine sable]

am i not copyable?

or did i use celestwing there

[timid briar]

yup celestwing

i don't have

that

[pine sable]

ahh yeah those mono stages i cba

[timid briar]

so i'm doing cheese sjw

[pine sable]

i just p2w myself through them

[timid briar]

this shemira refuse to die by sjw early

its insane

[sleek field]

A good value bundle drops as well tomorrow

[timid briar]

its works

just change 2/3 things

2 more and i'm done

now 5 pull pippa and last and i will be out

last one

i won

@pine sable i did it

o no

my gny do not enough dmg ahaha

better luck next time

[pine sable]

u will beat it at some point

[timid briar]

yeah

its just this thoran a live at the end

[pine sable]

my line up with lyca is better

but u cant use her cos u already did on 4

[timid briar]

i used lyca on 4

yeah

[pine sable]

yeye ik

[timid briar]

it will work okay i think

[pine sable]

i tried rosa too

[timid briar]

its just wait and see now

[pine sable]

and it didnt work cos of level deficit

she just got one shot every time

[timid briar]

not a me pb

[pine sable]

yeah cos ur 10 levels higher than me

[timid briar]

it work

just now

[pine sable]

nice

[timid briar]

yay

[pine sable]

alright gotta work now

later

[timid briar]

me too

ahaha

[weak blaze]

@winged leaf I can check now

If you’re open

[lusty plank]

[weak blaze]

Hypo meta

[winged leaf]

Ye u can

[cold current]

Btw I got 3 celehypos in 2000 summons I did: khazars, mezoth and audrey

Ig that's pretty good

[pine sable]

thats not that many tbh

im at like 12k pulls total and have every hypo and cele at least twice i think on average

rather a bit unlucky id say

[verbal forge]

i got 3 in the last 2-3 days

funny thing

since 29/10 i got 6 cele/hypos from normal pulls

kinda crazy

[pine sable]

i have gotten like 4 recently as well lol

[verbal forge]

2 were zikis and lucretia useles

but rest where athalia mortas mehira

[pine sable]

i got mehira ezizh orthros and khazard

[cold current]

I also didn't get a lot of copies of heroes I wanted. Wish I got more Mira and Gwyneth

[sleek field]

any whale that has highly build ziki?

[lusty plank]

I feel like that’s kinda mid or even ass cuz I’ve gotten 3 celes in the past 2 weeks alone

Which must be like 200 summons tops

Maybe 300

Sorry 2 hypos 1 cele

[cold current]

Yeah I guess my luck was just ass

[sleek field]

Ezizh, kharzard or zolrath, which is better to invest in

[weak blaze]

None of them ngl

[pine sable]

just build him cos of this glorious emote

[sleek field]

Need 1 of them for maetria xd

[pine sable]

khazard then

[sleek field]

Alright

Seeing Bacon typing in the chat, thats a first 👀

[pine sable]

yummy

[fickle sierra]

Calling on all Hypo whales...how would you rate Khazard, Mezoth, Zikis, Ezizh and Zolrath...all insight is appreciated 🙂

[weak blaze]

Don’t forget Mortas

[fickle sierra]

Sure, add him too! 😂

[timid briar]

there not a lot of hypo whale

[cold current]

Hi Bacon

[fickle sierra]

Howdy! 🥓

[verbal forge]

no need to be a whale for that

best hypos are luci mortas zolrath khazard and mehira

for now

[timid briar]

Mezoth just for @civic rampart

[verbal forge]

in term of use i would say zolrath-luci-mortas-khazard-mehira

khazard nice for campaign at +30

zolrath a5 +30 is good for both pvp and pve

[timid briar]

that just campaign

[verbal forge]

luci is luci

[timid briar]

true

[verbal forge]

mortas is underwhelming now

not a lot of uses

maybe a1 for the anti heal

[cold current]

He has a cool skin, if you're a whale

[verbal forge]

yeah cuz i build heroes for the skins

[cold current]

Are there other reasons?

[timid briar]

🫣

[fickle sierra]

Mortas has felt weaker as the game has progressed. Luci primarily for campaign I'd assume?

[verbal forge]

she works in pvp too

but needs teams around her

mortas +20 is just very ass here

im pretty sure they did something to it

is just doesnt fell right

[fickle sierra]

Unfortunate since he is actually obtainable for F2P.

[timid briar]

will tell if 1 star make a change but i don't believe in that

[verbal forge]

a1 is for anti heal

might help in later stages in campaign

vs healing tanks

[timid briar]

yup

[verbal forge]

thing is by the time mortas ults , fight is over

u either win or they all die

[timid briar]

i was like maybe with sjw

[verbal forge]

another problem caused by the lack of haste

[timid briar]

yu ocan manage to do something

you need something that don't die

[verbal forge]

mortas works best in a team that has something with many cheat deaths

like shaltear

or 2 frontline that dont die

and 1 dps in back

[fickle sierra]

I join here every so often....😂

[verbal forge]

we dont really have that teck for now

but if u want to unlock maetria

those are the best heroes

oh wait

frampton

is coming next i frogot

hold that tought

he might be the best hypo we have

in pvp he will proly be a beast

[timid briar]

i'm thinking going for eziz

[fickle sierra]

He will be added after everyone builds 5 Hypos for Maetria lol

[verbal forge]

is bait

u can just wait 2 weeks

they know what they doing

genuinly frampton was a sneaky pick in clasic

could hold himself even at high deficit

and they usualy buff hypos/cele when they come here

[fickle sierra]

True. Curious to see if he has significant buffs

[verbal forge]

framton was used in invade

things about to get nicer

@timber cipher u gonna wait for framton?

[sleek field]

when is framton set to be released

[verbal forge]

next update

in 2 weeks

[sleek field]

i see

well i need 2 weeks anyway to max to enough hypos so will wait regardless

[verbal forge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DqBA5tyUwng this what he does

[sleek field]

👍

[sleek field]

Looks interesting and worth the wait

hopefully by then we also get info on next collab

[timber cipher]

i go by %value offers, i dont have enough to pull something else inbetween - imma get the hypo bundle if we get that tomorrow and after that if framton releases like selene, it'll probably end up being framton

even then i wont have him ready im 1 copy off from maetria for a0 mortas (4x 15 shards)

people will be faster than me, s180+ people will probably +40 before me and might even transcend them before me

will see what values lilith throws and me and whether i like it or not

[civic rampart]

Rare bacon encounter

[timber cipher]

goobglazing

[civic rampart]

I was sleep until 1 pm

That’s crazy

[weak blaze]

What did I have to upgrade on eironns gear for haste?

[timber cipher]

only SI every 5 levels

[weak blaze]

Ffs

[timber cipher]

we have no haste gear lmao

[vapid lava]

You were mentioned in the latest vid

[weak blaze]

All a man wants is a little haste on gear

[timber cipher]

goob is becoming slowly a eeper, no more zombie

[vapid lava]

The mezo tier

[weak blaze]

Classic has it on boots

[timber cipher]

idk maybe t3 or t4 - but not early gear

[weak blaze]

Yh

[timber cipher]

like stuff that came past me

[civic rampart]

No way I was hold up

[vapid lava]

[timber cipher]

how is the unit-counter-doc coming together @weak blaze?

how's the pet guide, i head you were 95% finished @maiden hare?

heard*

[vapid lava]

Ah yeah I havent sent anything to cayan

[weak blaze]

Ah I literally wanted to ask you just now hahaha

When do you have time

Allmost no questions came in so we need to ball it

[timber cipher]

never my holiday got canceld for work

[weak blaze]

Yea write me whenever

Next week is fine

[timber cipher]

but aside from that just send me the 5 questions then if you have nothing too much lmao

[vapid lava]

@weak blaze did you want obvious questions like specific heroes or

[weak blaze]

Whatever you want answered

As broad or specific as you want

[vapid lava]

Like antandra maulers teams

Okay

[weak blaze]

@timber cipher im usually flexible so tell me

Im free from 22-02 almost every day

[timber cipher]

sometimes 5 pullable - specially when no skregg (even with brutus lol)

sometimes a classic mauler vs mauler case

and if its bad - its time to use some kind of stall

[vapid lava]

Hol on I'll send formal questions to @weak blaze today

[timber cipher]

really depends of the pairing of the antandra, since antandra alone isnt that scary

with salaki, numisu, some hypogeans and other stuff she gets scary

[vapid lava]

But thank you

[vapid lava]

[verbal forge]

u can see what t3 will give actualy

no haste tho

[weak blaze]

Sure?

On all 3 weapon types?

[timber cipher]

no have no time to waste t2 boots onto units

[verbal forge]

i have and its not anything special

[timber cipher]

but if others will check every type glad for ya if ya find somethin

[verbal forge]

it will be a big increase in weapon

but overal t3 will be meh sadly

t4 is where things will get bigger

like 1 to 1.3 increase in AT

on t3 is ok i guess

[civic rampart]

I wasn’t directly but I still appreciate the Mezoth lovers shoutout

He also said something about maybe making a Mezoth only vid just going over him

That’s a new level of glazing

Glazing so hard you get put in a YouTube video

[winged leaf]

@timber cipher @weak blaze naaaaaaah

[timber cipher]

no antiheal against talene is crazy in campaign

[winged leaf]

Too much healing

[verbal forge]

that stage was not that hard tbh

tbh nothing is hard compared to what u will meet in ch 46

[timber cipher]

try sjw on 5 as 100% antiheal

best you can do for now is tryinglike a silas in or like gwyneth because gwyn actually has antiheal

[winged leaf]

@timber cipher can u log in to change my setup little bit what is possible or not if possible…?

[timber cipher]

prob gwyn rosaline is better than audrae rowan

[winged leaf]

Trying but meh

[timber cipher]

you need the "vitality" reduce

[verbal forge]

@winged leaf u are pushing from the phone ?

[timber cipher]

other than that no chance with the heroes u slot in

[weak blaze]

That’s not my comp

Whose did u copy

[winged leaf]

Ye im not at home until 12.12

[winged leaf]

I swap 5 to 3

Cuz have around 70 attempts

[timber cipher]

also can try frontlining mira for faster mira ult (will deal less dmg overall - but may cause gwyn to do more stuff, because faster clumping) - specially when you put f.e. gwyn in the middle

sjw would be better on 5

[winged leaf]

Log in if u can change a little bit i can have open my phone a little bit for attemts

[timber cipher]

cant