collections

[jagged lynx]

then asaf i think

all blue runs

don’t matter if they are ass.

[jade gull]

^^^

[sour rose]

For ranger, armor piercing or atk % better ?

[jade gull]

pp?

ofc pp

[sour rose]

This icon

Idk what it is in English

But this vs atk %

What’s better

[wraith walrus]

what da hell does xtvl translate to

[sour rose]

Physical damage I think

[wraith walrus]

wack

[sour rose]

I can’t leave to translate the game into english. I’m inside the mode rn

But i think it has to do something with physical piercing

[jade gull]

yeah its pp

its good

[vale yarrow]

PP

[jade gull]

pp is great on most celerity/warrior. just gotta turn it into red if u can

[sour rose]

I can swap to red badge

Should I swap atk % or pp to max

[jade gull]

awesome! for who r building this for?

prob pp to red

[sour rose]

Alyca

[jade gull]

def pp

no questions

[sour rose]

Should I swap full atk or def

[jade gull]

f.def is mehhhhh

[vale yarrow]

farara is so nice and helpful when will u join nihil

[jade gull]

ull c me soon somewhere familiar

[sour rose]

So should I just swap Def for PP ?

[jade gull]

[vale yarrow]

real

[jade gull]

wait. f.def or def

[sour rose]

Straight def

[vale yarrow]

def and fatk

two reds i see

[jade gull]

oh prob def

def is mehhhhh

def to pp

[sour rose]

Full atk and def

[jade gull]

swap def to pp for sure

[sour rose]

Ok

[soft hollow]

Looking more like a Queen/Tamrus collection, what to swap?

[jade gull]

ir already looks pretty good ngl

lol

[vale yarrow]

if for CR then FATK -> PRF imo

[jade gull]

^ true

[sour rose]

Which collection should mulan use ?

The Fang right ? Since she stunt right off

[jade gull]

yeap

[soft hollow]

Purple crit or atk, or gold full erosion on last slot

[jade gull]

who is it for?

[soft hollow]

Palmer probably

Not sure who else would benefit from mp cda on vault

[jade gull]

f.ers prob then cause abel palmer r typically together and abel likes ers.

[waxen badger]

abel doesn’t benefit a lot from erosion, it’s a tiny part of her kit

[jade gull]

health loss is what makes abel work in ice ts i think. so ers would prob be better than other options

[grizzled grotto]

It's probably also a lot of her dmg for Idre CR

[jade gull]

[jade gull]

scarlet doesnt have health loss skills does she?

[jade gull]

6666

hacker here wtf

[grizzled grotto]

Scarlet has -ERR but no health-loss

[jade gull]

yeah thats what i figured. err but not ers. ty~

[daring sun]

Liberta

Can utilize erosion correct?

[waxen badger]

yes

[forest totem]

Ez clap

[jade gull]

[proper sandal]

Which one for Belinda?

[jade gull]

right side one

left for emi ig?

[frigid spindle]

What stats do I want to focus on for Rowan? Also I assume I want Trader's vault on him

[torpid delta]

Full health, Full ATK etc. Just team buffs imo

[frigid spindle]

Tyty

[twilit turtle]

well then

[candid burrow]

[topaz yacht]

Is this good for aBel?

[candid burrow]

offense stat are good, defense stat are meh but they dont matter as much anyways

[stable socket]

Sure. It has no additional skills, so don’t sweat ot

[fierce hollow]

Is this good for AwSolise?

[forest totem]

It suck ass

[fierce hollow]

U suck ass

[forest totem]

Yours?

[fierce hollow]

Hopefully not

[forest totem]

[pallid hamlet]

did the attempts reset on Sunday or am I going crazy?

[tepid helm]

yes they reset with weekly reset

[pallid hamlet]

well shit, I thought that would be monday

[ionic crane]

So, for Bellinda i choosing Oculus Diabolus collection?

[vernal mulch]

Time to get aezizh his collection

[indigo sequoia]

For Emilia!

[sweet folio]

enemies gonna be permafrozen

[indigo sequoia]

Does Temporal Cover on Zolrath stack the delay for the enemy opposite him on top of his base kit? The Saurus collection does not seem to make sense for Zol anyway, since it adds damage during his ult, when he is in hiding...

[candid burrow]

yes, it will delay them even longer than he normally does

[indigo sequoia]

Hmm just realized that might hurt my Wyca-Mulan-Zol bowling burst comp... Guess Zol will stay collection-less for a while.

[toxic token]

Prepare for trouble and make it double

[indigo sequoia]

Nice!!

[toxic token]

[ionic crane]

which of those are better for rem?

[wheat rampart]

anyone know if attack or MP is preferable priority for dps abelinda?

@ionic crane the left one

[ionic crane]

thanks

[ionic crane]

if you find out, tag me please

[wheat rampart]

@ionic crane I am assuming MP unless I don't understand the calculations.

[ionic crane]

yea thats what i was thinking as well

[wheat rampart]

@ionic crane actually I think atk might be better once it is legendary+ tier (yellow) since it looks like the % amplification is exponential for atk where it is linear for MP. I could still be wrong though lol

[ionic crane]

i was asking for mythics anyway

[mortal matrix]

are there any general guides for this?

[haughty bough]

Casually i got mage artifact with 2x mythic erosion around 30 erosion with around 10 CDA (no other good offensive stat) . So I was wondering if it can be helpful on any mage other than aw Belinda, for example Ainz since his "the goal of all life is death" is stated as health loss.

[tepid helm]

emi and dae too

[sweet folio]

ainz is a dead hero anyway

[candid burrow]

because he is a skeleton

[stable socket]

[tired crown]

rem?

what should i build for her

[tacit depot]

Does ASolise need CDA,MP and Attack? If not what offensive stats should one aim for?

[spare warren]

Guys, what stats does trishea want for offense and defense? (I'm also assuming she wants the Oden collection?)

[daring sun]

I’m just building Liberta’s collection atp

All in

Shred bosses

[spare warren]

Can you tell me which collection and what stats to go for to build him?

[vague sun]

I only get trash

[daring sun]

From Cero

I think magic pierce atk and erosion works for Liberta? Not sure which one gives most damage output @spare warren

[jade gull]

for who?

[daring sun]

Will have to wait for Excel calculator

[jade gull]

oh for lib?

[sterile fern]

erosion is super strong on lib

probably a bit better than mp and attack

[jade gull]

i wont say super but id say top 3 offensive prob

i actually think atk is better

[daring sun]

Ya I’m just waiting for excel calculator

[jade gull]

i was too done. i went with atk and f.atk. the rest were mp/ers

[daring sun]

Might need skill +1 on him but that’s damage loss

[jade gull]

yeah. i dont hope for +1. too rare especially since i only run nlue totems

[sweet folio]

Amazing time to get a +1 and fucking jack shit else

[jade gull]

tell me abt it....the ones i got lv+ are runs that had nothing above perple stats too

[torpid delta]

What's libertas crit rating at usually?

Can't decide between another erosion, or CDA

[jade gull]

def f.atk

f.atk for lib is rly good

[ionic crane]

How is this for rem?

[cedar moth]

is there a cap on attemps?

can i hoard them?

[tepid helm]

No and no they reset weekly

[cedar moth]

reset to 7?

[tepid helm]

Yes

[cedar moth]

ok thx

[coarse cradle]

is pp worth more than atk?

[sweet folio]

depends on the hero

[coarse cradle]

for rem?

[sweet folio]

yes

[torpid delta]

Whoever I was talking to about having 100 CDA on abelinda with palmer

This is what happened in CR, previously was averaging 9-10b

[pale shoal]

Do "Trader's vault" stack within a formation?

[torpid delta]

@pale shoal I'll test that rq

I wanna say yes, but I can't see any carts spawning

[pale shoal]

i hope you are right, cause i assumed no 🫣

[stark slate]

Which characters are these good on? I know Shadow Dancer is good on Rem but that’s a bout it.

[worn stone]

So sad I get my first +1 level naturally + totem at the end

[pale shoal]

no miracle totem?

[stark slate]

What stars should I get for my Trader’s Vault artifact for Liberta?

*stats

[worn stone]

No :(

I had so many level totems so I just used one to see my luck

[pale shoal]

ahh, always when you least expect it... 🫣

🙏

[grizzled grotto]

Keep in mind that v132 is 5wks from now (next week is v130)

[pale shoal]

yeah, but everything is going to working retroactively. so i guess it's good for something

same goes for all dias spent on swapping out collections.

[grizzled grotto]

Just pointing out the date in-case people think it's coming soon

[pale shoal]

yeah, good point

[grizzled grotto]

They'll probably drop some info on how the mechanic will work closer to its actual release (maybe like 3wks from now)

[topaz yacht]

When attempts will reset?

[pearl juniper]

in 5 days 18 hours

[worn stone]

Better I used the miracle worker but no luck with atk relics omg

I’m so unlucky

I hope Abelinda is satisfied enough for now ><

[topaz yacht]

I see, thanks

And we will get 7 more?

I’m a bit confused, yesterday I had 2 and now I have 3

[grizzled grotto]

For the first week we get +1 per day from mail

[topaz yacht]

Ah I got it, thanks

[pale shoal]

lol, omg... well, that's something. i can relate! 🙏

Currently the rng is a mess, but on the other hand you got good use of your miracle at least!
I spent 4 of those "miracles" together with final destination which gets the lvl up. Only 1 of the 4 ended with 3 stars.🤸 🤣

[worn stone]

oh wow... I thought it was guarenteed to get 2x skill up

did not know it was still a chance

[jade gull]

check cero's guide, or any guide. most have recs for what arti on what hero

[ionic crane]

Sorry for dumb question, but i am supposed to pick same art over and over till it level 10?

[jade gull]

nope

[ionic crane]

In Ceros guide, "Lyca-old" means non aw version?

[grizzled grotto]

Ye

[trim eagle]

Using yellow totems and then getting shit tier heroes is the biggest scam ever what the hell

Couldn't even get to floor 10

[steep cloak]

Is there a pull / priority guide? Except from that Chinese one that I can’t read 😂

[strong ginkgo]

is this right wishlist ?

[jade gull]

yeah looks solid. make sure to remember swapping the mp one to pp one when u can (need)

[jade gull]

pull prio?

[strong ginkgo]

with my luck ill never get pp

[steep cloak]

For the wishlist. And in general what Heroes and stats to go for first. I know there is cero‘s visual but I don’t know which stats to look out for

[jade gull]

ah that. stat is a very hmmm opinion based thing. u can check out nihi's public server. their collection/cr channel has some recommended stats for meta heroes

[tired crown]

what do totems do

im trying to build for rem

[jade gull]

get u better stats basically

[analog jacinth]

Should I be replacing my artifacts with collections I’ve already built?

[tight grove]

Whats stats are good on Naroko

[jade gull]

u mean the class artifacts?

[jade gull]

check guide

[tight grove]

Where

I am checking your guides rn I feel like I'm missing what your specifying tho

[jade gull]

r u on nihi public server? if yes theres one that has the ones for naro

[tight grove]

Nope

[jade gull]

the f.??? is f.hp also called full heal in the actual game

[tight grove]

Thanks a lot

[mortal anvil]

[noble ravine]

[jade gull]

what kind of cheat code r u using u hacker

share plz

[tacit shale]

[tight grove]

What the actual hell is that

[tacit shale]

Lvlup pp hehe

[tight grove]

Holy AAthalia

[wraith walrus]

literally explode

[jade gull]

what totems were u using? triple gold w. lvlup+worker+mp/pp one?

[zealous forge]

Wich abilities should i focus for Rem and Abelinda?

[honest scarab]

Rem: pp, atk, crit
Abel: mp, atk, crit

[zealous forge]

Tysm :>

[steep cloak]

Do you know where to get the invite link for that discord ?

[jade gull]

check dm

[shrewd notch]

is this the translated one? you have the full image?

[jade gull]

its in nihi server. u gotta join and check urself. i dont want to post other's works

[wheat rampart]

Did they buff the game mode? This feels too good?

[shrewd notch]

bruh that insane luck

don't tell u use all blue

[wheat rampart]

I used 1 legendary level up, purple attack one, and 1 every 3 levels one

Wish I got this on the shadow dancer one, but this will destroy TS/campaign/tower

[hasty marlin]

has this been translated anywhere? image translate is shit for me

[jade gull]

yes in nihi server

[final tartan]

Pls send

[hasty marlin]

same

or upload it here

[jade gull]

its in nihi server. u gotta join and check urself. i dont want to post other's works...or let me ask for permission first ig

[ionic crane]

would this be of any use to abel?

[jade gull]

yes but mehhh

[hasty marlin]

link to server works then

[ionic crane]

better than that book that gives 300 energy?

[hasty marlin]

man i rly want them to just scrap this, say sorry and do something else

[jade gull]

check dm

[jade gull]

book better where u can use it. but collection u can use in CR/TS/NC so

[hasty marlin]

i can deal with waiting forever for something but rng and then this weird conflict between collections and artifacts sharing a slot, with one working in ts/etc and one not.. it's so damn jarring

also thx

[jade gull]

As given permission from translator (thx to nihi server, credit to 小叶子 from tieba and translation by Angryfox)

[hasty marlin]

nice thanks

i'm guessing the left to right hero appearance is their priority rite

[jade gull]

pretty much

[zealous forge]

Does somebody knows wich artifacts should i use on runs?

[jade gull]

totems?

[zealous forge]

Yes, sorry

[jade gull]

if u wait a few hours ill send a guide

[zealous forge]

I apreciate and tysm :3

Last week ive lost all attempts since didnt know wich to do and did 3 runs :<

[ionic crane]

is any of these class relics good for abel? like warrior, support, ranger?

[tight grove]

Whats better for ABaden Sandstorm Fangs or Judgement Armor

[jade gull]

both depends on situation

[hasty marlin]

use gold guaranteed Lvl+ and get the worst teams and stat rng ever

neato burrito

+100 diamonds

[ionic crane]

which would be better for abel?

[jade gull]

u got 3, what two other heroes u wanna equip em on

[ionic crane]

honestly, i dont know haha

[jade gull]

the atk ers one can go abel

[ionic crane]

this is what i have, suggestions

[pearl juniper]

I'd take the second one

[ionic crane]

cda + skill level?

[pearl juniper]

yeah, she doesn't really use MP

and skill level couldn't hurt

[jade gull]

i was thinking cda + skill for dae

but both works

[pearl juniper]

I'd have gone MP for dae

[rare turtle]

What does Emi need for stat? MP?

[ionic crane]

tbf i use the book on daemia so she ults faster

[jade gull]

u right

[pearl juniper]

I know, u may call me teacher

[jade gull]

mp f.heal for dae is nice

[ionic crane]

looks like book still better on abel..

[jade gull]

yeah for modes u can use og arti def better

but cr/nc/ts u can so

[quasi mango]

What ashemwstats do u want

@fierce hollow ur smart I need guidance hehe

[clever garden]

hp

[quasi mango]

Why does the Chinese guide suggest f atk then?

[clever garden]

guide 1 week after release

but i guess f atk isn't a bad stat, might not be BiS

[quasi mango]

I mean can’t that also be applied to the argument of hp ? Hehe

[clever garden]

then it applies to your question as well but ashem scales on hp

[quasi mango]

Idk I guess I’ll roll a f atk what ever happens happens

[clever garden]

collections suck anyway oops

[quasi mango]

Lol doesn’t matter anyway my mythic set I don’t have an F atk so I’ll change it to just regular atk

[fierce hollow]

Mp and hp iirc

[fierce hollow]

@jade gull

[jade gull]

ah. lol me. noob

[hasty marlin]

i wonder if ima get banned for my 'feedback' 🤔

[jade gull]

MP ERR ATK F.ATK, DR TY F.HP all good for ashem

[fierce hollow]

@quasi mango 👆

[jade gull]

Totem Wishlist Recommendation

I need to find someone to pin stuff in this channel

[fierce hollow]

@rigid kindle

Be useful

[quasi mango]

Idk this game mode sucks

[clever garden]

^

[jade gull]

[hasty marlin]

literally me every time i get a skill+1, or use a legendary totem

[clever garden]

never dropped a +1 yet lmao

[candid burrow]

you can pin everywhere nerds can

[jade gull]

[forest totem]

So did they improve collections somehow today? Or we just got 50 staves and that's it

[clever garden]

50 and that's it

[forest totem]

[sweet folio]

Rest wait for patches

[forest totem]

[fierce hollow]

But hes useless except from pinning stuff

[reef gale]

well guess my Belinda is good to go now. (The mythic stats are MP and ATK)

[vale yarrow]

crit

[jade gull]

i looked through data analysis for it. ill show u but its in cn.

[vale yarrow]

yeah i saw that ok

[vague sun]

My best so far

[hollow jolt]

stat for ivan? prob just armor?

[jade gull]

why crit stat is good for carries. translate for urself plz

[hollow jolt]

lol y'all need a stat sheet to figure out crit is good for carries?

[grizzled grotto]

F.Def or Armor, barely any of the defensives affect him (outside of vs AwLyca)

[jade gull]

how good is the question lol

[vague sun]

But which crit

[jade gull]

dmg increase is something better when u see the numbers

[jade gull]

just crit

CRIT

[vague sun]

C R I T

[jade gull]

like thats how it shows in the abilities lol

like in GG runs

[vague sun]

Bro

Whats good stats for Ashem , Rem and Mulan ?

[jade gull]

theres a guide for those. scroll up

[vague sun]

In pins or ?

[jade gull]

in this channel. need to find someone to pin it

[vague sun]

This one ?

[jade gull]

yes

[vague sun]

Hmm

No errosion on liberta

[jade gull]

its more like a 4th option...ers is good but not that good

more like lib can use ers. not all heroes can

[vague sun]

My Libe artifact is full erosion

[jade gull]

if its the best stats u got it is what it is

thats actually rly decent

mine is crap

[vague sun]

Did u see my Abel ocu ?

Rly sexy one

[jade gull]

yes in ts chat...i dont wanna c it...mine sux

[vague sun]

XD

[grizzled grotto]

I'm surprised Crit is actually rated higher than ERS for Lib
I get that ERS is pointless for TS, but his P.Orb dmg is so low that it seems overly TS favoured to take Crit over ERS

ATK should be best in general though, affects everything including his heal

[vague sun]

Why is ERS pointless in Ts ?

[grizzled grotto]

Because Link instakills with 0 ERS

[jade gull]

^^^

[vague sun]

Damn

So i gotta remove it from my Bert

[grizzled grotto]

Tbf, most stats offensive stats don't matter for TS

Because MP, Crit & CDA are only the tiniest of dmg gains

[jade gull]

^^^defensive prob better for ts

i was talking abt this in another chat actually i think

[vague sun]

Btw

Artifact

[grizzled grotto]

Idk whether ERS causes overheat issues

[vague sun]

For alna ?

[vale yarrow]

if u have to choose among CRIT, ATK and CDA for carries like Waden, Abel, .. What will you choose?

[topaz yacht]

Is there any guide for this mode? I used some of my gold totems and got shitty collections...

[jade gull]

depends on hero ngl

[sweet folio]

Only use blue totem for now until you figure it out

[vale yarrow]

[grizzled grotto]

Oh I've got ERR on my Lib, which should be best for TS

It'd only make ult the tiniest bit faster, but it'd matter more than ATK or ERS

[vale yarrow]

Vault though

[jade gull]

i mean u just have to take what u get. how lucky do u have to be to get all of em lol

[topaz yacht]

Any guides for this?

[grizzled grotto]

Yeah I wasn't intending it for Lib but it didn't have any alternative to ERS

And Vault better for CR anyway

[vale yarrow]

Like if you have to swap a trash mythic stat to those 3

[jade gull]

id wait to use gold totems until sweep is unlocked lol. so u can get lvl 10 collection for sure

[grizzled grotto]

It's the weird, TS stats but CR collec

[jade gull]

for abel id prob do crit

[vale yarrow]

how about waden wyca atha

those celes and war

[jade gull]

waden prob cda

[grizzled grotto]

Is crit any good on AwBel when it's only 0.4% dmg per point

[jade gull]

lemme check for wyca

[vale yarrow]

weird

(tbh i would prioritize mythic PRF over those 3 )

[grizzled grotto]

I thought AwBel would be CDA then ATK then the rest
Because of her S4 being true dmg & 100% crit

[jade gull]

the stat analysis has the stats as different combinations. id reference that. i need one for abel. abel crit feels real good. cda maxes out so uptil a point id get cda but not too much

before maxing cda id do cda for sure

[untold sandal]

2 miracle worker gone to trash

[grizzled grotto]

Overcapping CDA is bad yeah, idk if you can realistically achieve it though
Maybe if Palmer had high CDA

[jade gull]

crit also over 100 is kinda mehh. so i wouldnt go over too much either

atk is more universal

[grizzled grotto]

AwBel always crits, her crit doesn't affect crit chance

[vale yarrow]

how much CDA do u need? i might be overcapped :Despairge:

[jade gull]

check stat of hero, over 100 crit is meh, over 60 cda is meh

[vale yarrow]

i have 2 mythics so prob

[grizzled grotto]

60 is capped vs an enemy with 0 CDR

[jade gull]

true

[grizzled grotto]

But many enemies will have some small amount of it

[vale yarrow]

enrage increases the CDR?

[grizzled grotto]

I have no idea

[vale yarrow]

[grizzled grotto]

Idk how Enrage works at all ngl

[jade gull]

i barely am learning how skills effect stats lol

no clue how enrage works

[grizzled grotto]

Oh no wonder my Palmer is giving a big dmg buff, his ult gives 71.7 CDA & 41.97 MP

[jade gull]

[grizzled grotto]

So it's exceedingly easy to cap with Palmer, ig that makes CDA bad on AwBel when he's there

[jade gull]

funny stuff~

[grizzled grotto]

Without collec it was already 45 CDA buff

[jade gull]

great i forgot to adjust TS....

[sweet folio]

Don't forget enemy have cdr s1x

[jade gull]

yeah cda cdr is more of a relative thing

[grizzled grotto]

My AwBel has 105.5 CDA with Palmer buff, so she's probably overcapped

[jade gull]

[grizzled grotto]

Being slightly over is fine though

[tight saffron]

Hahahaha 🥺

[jade gull]

[rigid kindle]

What in the actual fuck do you want me to do

I have the same perms as you do

[fierce hollow]

Something

U taverns troll

[vague sun]

Naroko Artifact

[grizzled grotto]

Is anyone?

[jade gull]

IS anyone?

[vague sun]

Is it good or trash ?

[grizzled grotto]

Idk how much IS is too much

[jade gull]

thats a question i need answer too

[sweet folio]

need to check how much IS CR units have

[vague sun]

Full buffer for Ashem ?

[jade gull]

if u got nothing else sure

@vague sun its ERR not ERS

[hollow cedar]

[vague sun]

Ahhh shit

Ok swap erosion for hp ?

[jade gull]

depends on how many slots u have

7 total or 8 at the end

[vague sun]

Ehh idk

[jade gull]

are u using the miracle worker totem

[vague sun]

Its just a blue run

[jade gull]

oh then 7

lemme look again real quick

[vague sun]

Okey

[jade gull]

yeah cda

u got 3 defensive already

wait

wait wait

i counted wrong

[vague sun]

[jade gull]

u can get 4 offensive stats and 3 defensive

prf, atk, crit r offensive. so yeah then swap for cda

[vague sun]

Okkkkk

[jade gull]

[vague sun]

Ok thats how it looks

[jade gull]

thats a superb run

one the best prob

[vague sun]

Like@that ?

[jade gull]

atk, crit, prf, cda

[vague sun]

Why doest it matter ?

[jade gull]

it doesnt

[grizzled grotto]

Order doesn't matter

[jade gull]

im just figuring r those 4 what it stands for

i dont remember the icons lol

[vague sun]

What about the defensive

Full def ?

And TY

[jade gull]

ty is great yeah

[grizzled grotto]

There isn't many Fort that deal dmg & have CC at the same time
Best use for that is Cruke

[jade gull]

full def....sure

[vague sun]

K good

[jade gull]

ashem doesnt have cc?

[vague sun]

AShem done !

[jade gull]

i thought the spirit skill for it is cc

[grizzled grotto]

AwShem has some debuffs that'd get affected by PRF, but ATK does nothing for her

Spirit isn't a CC

[jade gull]

ohhh then which skill

[soft hollow]

Thought crit wouldn't work as well no?

[grizzled grotto]

Crit works for AwShem

Crit should work on anything that isn't health-loss

[soft hollow]

Oh, just can't go past % of her hp still?

[vague sun]

Well attack better than nothing ?

[jade gull]

true. thats how i think too lol

[grizzled grotto]

Wdym

Oh for the Soul's capped dmg? Idk how that works

Ult is just scaling not capped so it should be fine

[soft hollow]

Ah ok

[vague sun]

Ok now i need a good Rem arti

I mean .. i use this now but meh i need a better one

[grizzled grotto]

Idk if Spirit counts as a debuff it might but I'm not insane enough to test
Pretty sure SI20 is affected by PRF at least

And remember, debuff is not the same as CC

Debuff = PRF only
CC = both IS & PRF
Movement CC = ignores both

[vague sun]

So attack affects only her Normal hits ?

[jade gull]

[vague sun]

If yes why is it prio in the guide ?

[grizzled grotto]

Oh ig atk does affect her normals, I forgot about that

[grizzled grotto]

I think it's a mistake

[vague sun]

Btw what arti for Alna ?

[jade gull]

effects normals and the prio guide is very initial version so

prob gonna have better ones roll out over the weeks

[grizzled grotto]

Depends what you have on Rem, you want the opposite of Rem's collec on Alna

[vague sun]

K then im good

I think i got much luck today

[jade gull]

much luck u mean over the head luck. super lucky

[vague sun]

Haha yeah maybe

[jade gull]

[vague sun]

I need a good Rem and a good Emi

Thats Mulan ,Rem , Anasta and Tamrus

[jade gull]

go away. i dont want to c it

[vague sun]

But i think im using the wrong one on Tamrus

[jade gull]

both kinda works actually

ur gonna want multiple for each hero eventually so

[vague sun]

Its in the same formation with Anasta in Ts

[rare turtle]

4th one

[jade gull]

id think fang is slightly better yeah

[vague sun]

Meh im bored aint making anymore for@today

[jade gull]

im done for the day too much afk already

[zealous forge]

Should I use those totems if I want to make one for Rem?

[fierce hollow]

Only use blues

[zealous forge]

For all attempts?

[grizzled grotto]

Def don't use the Skill one with that at least

[zealous forge]

Oh, def should be for tanks

[sweet folio]

don't use the skill +1, you want to save that and run a bunch of good relics at once with it, like miracle worker

just save it for a long time for now

[grizzled grotto]

Meant def as in definitely, because you want to save high value ones

[sweet folio]

until we get more abilities and you know what you're doing

[zealous forge]

All right, I will use only blues till we have a guide. Tysm guys

I think this should be good for Rem? Should I try to make better one ?🥲

Didn't got Att, pp and CRIT. Only the one I've chosen

[feral trench]

It's fine. It won't be a permanent solution anyway. You'll want to get +2 skill up

[grizzled grotto]

Replace the Armor with smth like CBR

Armor is only for heroes that give shields

[sweet folio]

wait wtf for real

I thought it was just damage reduction against physical dmg lmao

[zealous forge]

Ok, tysm . And how I can make it +2?

[grizzled grotto]

Armor is HEAL but for shields

[sweet folio]

fuck this game

[grizzled grotto]

[feral trench]

Can CBR go in a defensive slot?

[grizzled grotto]

It has to

[sweet folio]

critical block rate

reduces chance of being crit

[feral trench]

Oh definitely not combat rating oof

[sweet folio]

imagine if there was a stat that just increases combat rating

so useless

@hasty violet would only take that tho

[grizzled grotto]

Combat rating is cmbr (it shows the official abbrev in-game for roster sort)

I'm not sure if CBR is as old as CDA, but it's a very old stat either way

[zealous forge]

So the artifact can be lv 2 only by using Level up skill (totem)?

[feral trench]

You can get them randomly

[grizzled grotto]

You can get 2 +1s without it, but you can't equip them without Miracle Worker

The 2nd one can't go anywhere without the extra special slot

[zealous forge]

So to get a decent one, you need Miracle worker and for 100% lv 2 the lv totem

[feral trench]

Yeah it's pretty brutal. Luckily you'll always have more tries eventually.

[sweet folio]

yeah, have to pray to not only get a 2nd +1 skill with the miracle worker, but also to get good stats too

and you get so few miracle worker that those runs are rare. good luck

[zealous forge]

Gosh...

[tepid helm]

And then the totems that let you get m+ stats too

[zealous forge]

[feral trench]

Nobody got 18 reso on beasts in the second week. Give it time

[tepid helm]

Well that's cause there was no reso

[zealous forge]

Indeed

[grizzled grotto]

I'm too spooked to use my select L pulls until patch 132 or later when it gets changed

[sweet folio]

yeah I'm not doing it either

[rare turtle]

[tepid helm]

I'm only using blues

[sweet folio]

I don't even have a miracle worker yet

[grizzled grotto]

0 miracle, 0 gift

[sweet folio]

i have some gift I think

[grizzled grotto]

I finally got some of the purple one

[feral trench]

Sweep will guarantee floor 10? So that fixes the issue of wasting expensive totems on runs with only e heroes and no ascensions

[grizzled grotto]

After you get used to it, it's pretty rare to get unlucky and fail
The important thing you learn is upgrading literally any hero in a run is more important than making a 'comp'

[rare turtle]

I have 1 miracle, 4 gift and 3 skill

Scared to use them

[sweet folio]

we don't know what sweep will do yet I think

[grizzled grotto]

We know that it'll at least guarantee combat wins but there's no other info beyond that

[sweet folio]

so whats the point of combat/heros

there's no roguelike anymore

just give us random stats instantly

[grizzled grotto]

You only unlock sweep after X wins so you still need to reach that point

Could still take like 50 or 100 wins to unlock

[feral trench]

That's wild.. an easy fix the issue that doesn't defeat the whole gameplay of the mode would be to let you pick between ascension and a new hero when you run into those

[grizzled grotto]

They're just slapping on the quickest bandaid fix asap

[sweet folio]

or just stop offering fucking E heros after like floor 3

[feral trench]

Right, lots of good ways to handle it

[hasty violet]

You don't like having one copy of every hero in the game by floor 6?

[tired crown]

what do totems do

and should i use any for rem runs

[tepid helm]

select them and they tell you what they do

and yes use totems

[sweet folio]

use only blue totems for now

[bleak locust]

Bit of a support arti with the worst def stats I ever got...

[hasty violet]

That's so good wdym

[bleak locust]

The atk stats yes

The def stats could be higher

[hasty violet]

Slap it on lucilla or mortas and you've got yourself an awesome collection

[bleak locust]

Already did

[grizzled grotto]

Full buffer is good in TS

[hasty violet]

Honestly

Cba Def stats

Atk stats more important

[bleak locust]

Didn't got a good copy of that arti for lib yet.

Literally those legendary totem are useless

Got that arti up there with 3 purple...

[hasty violet]

Please tell me you saved your legendary ones

[bleak locust]

Some

I am personally rly inpatient

[crystal quiver]

What should i chose?

[feral trench]

Wanna pick whichever class your strongest heroes are and then the one of the two that reads like it synergizes better with that heroes kit. Pretty low stakes

[sour rose]

Wtf are those buffs

[jagged lynx]

what stats do naro and alyca want

[hasty violet]

That's so good

Slap on Bert or lorsan

Oh wait it's buffer

[sour rose]

Yea

Who do I even use it on lol

[bleak locust]

ALcya cda and pp

[tired crown]

which is better for rem

[grizzled grotto]

Left

[bleak locust]

Left only cuz +1

[grizzled grotto]

Or ig right for TS but left is more generically usable

[tired crown]

so which

dr ty or +1

[grizzled grotto]

Right is only for TS, left is for everything else

[bleak locust]

I wouldn't use any of those cuz to many random stats together

[silk rock]

What's the best way to go in to a run?

[tired crown]

pray

[silk rock]

Lol

[bleak locust]

Use the purple ones

No matter what and hope for best

[fathom shell]

Below you will find an entry - collection guide, which is based on what we learnt over the first couple days and aims to introduce collections to every player. If you are still feel lost, after all this time - that's your link!
Feel free to ask any related questions here

For all sorts of feebacks, recommendatios, ideas please reach to @elder edge in discord.

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Video will be complimented soon with hero recomendations, class recommendation etc

Video is public, feel free to share!

https://youtu.be/ubpK8OuDiLo

Thanks for your attention

[torpid delta]

Sigh....so anyways who is this good on lol

[bleak locust]

From everything something so everybody?

[fathom shell]

Aw. Brut

[rare turtle]

I needed IS

[spare warren]

Guys for trish (I'm assuming Oden collection for her?), which offensive and defensive stats should I go for?

[low remnant]

Idk who's working on the collection spreadsheet but the new calcs look sick

[rare turtle]

How good is this?

[royal oxide]

I'd say the selling point is full buffer, so it'll be good as a support for health loss hero, like luci -> libby

Dr also matches luci rather well

[jolly elm]

Does oden need insight?

again i dont understand how tf people are getting +2 skill and 3+ other mythics. cancer rng.

[velvet terrace]

p good

[tepid helm]

for who

[velvet terrace]

idunno

naroko or someone who instantly dies on my team lol

[bold turtle]

Looks good for vei

Gremlin is also a good choice yup

[velvet terrace]

whos vei

[tepid helm]

a hero you will probably never build lol

[sweet folio]

Sadge

[ionic crane]

prove him wrong and build vei as your first celehypo

[velvet terrace]

lol

i already stargazed 3 libertas from 30 of the things

[ionic crane]

grit her for vei

[sweet folio]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[wheat siren]

ion know how this works ngl

do i get other ones of these

oculus diabolus thingy cause this ones boutta be doodoo ngl

[ionic crane]

yea you can get as many as you want

[placid drift]

you're not showing your picks for stats. see the screenshot above yours for an example

[wheat siren]

oh lessgo thought i fucked up ngl

[placid drift]

Like here^

[wheat siren]

oh wait

[wheat siren]

here

[karmic bloom]

Wait are mythic abilities typically rare?

[karmic bloom]

really?....

[jade gull]

Yes and yes

[karmic bloom]

oh dear

I didn’t know we could even take out collection made in the run LOL

I didn’t do any research before my first run🗿

Wasted all that mythic luck T-T

[jade gull]

[karmic bloom]

is it that bad...

i hope i don't only have one chance O.o

[jade gull]

Not bad at all. Would be much better if u could swap that f.buffer to something else

[karmic bloom]

SHIT i swapped mythic defense to full buffer.....

[jade gull]

Defense even worse so lol

[karmic bloom]

oh ok thats good i suppose lol

[jade gull]

[karmic bloom]

also how come use rare things instead of igher rank?

[jade gull]

U mean the stats?

[karmic bloom]

no the thing u select before it starts

forge the name

[jade gull]

Totems

Cause theyre improving the system still. Making changes

For example having sweep would guarantee lvl 10 collection. Safer to use golden totems then

[karmic bloom]

yeee those

oh wait they get USED UP/

theyre consumable??

[jade gull]

Yeah

[near crag]

Is there a pinned guide?

[jade gull]

only purple names can pin stuff

[near crag]

[wet citrus]

Is there a guide worth pinning already?

[jade gull]

theres a few thats worth referencing. cero's, the one translated from nihi/tieba

[placid drift]

right now, there is a bunch of info scattered around that I just go through

[wet citrus]

The guide pic?
Oh true cero's guide is probably good

[sweet folio]

Make a guide Steve, you can save us all

[placid drift]

[wet citrus]

Ye thats the issue
Somebody gotta collect all that and make one proper guide

[jade gull]

#collections message

[wet citrus]

Lmao got no time

[inner rivet]

vault or flight for og talene?

[wet citrus]

Do you have any idea how to translate all that?

[placid drift]

the most important bits are translated tbh

[wet citrus]

Or does the text not matter too much?

[jade gull]

the left side is just class and skill description

[wet citrus]

Skill level in the front, stats to loom out for on the right

[jade gull]

the stat stuff is translated

[placid drift]

green color means where you want the artis, I feel

[jade gull]

guess i could crop perp's collection skill description and edit it

cause its the same thing basically

[wet citrus]

Will look into it tomorrow, looks good for a general guide though
A newbie friendly guide on what to do would be great, does cero cover that?

[jade gull]

steelsause made one (floof)

[placid drift]

Let's drop this all on Figma/something else and make a pretty version, farara

[jade gull]

i can collect stuff and edit them ig

[wet citrus]

Thanks! Off to bed now but will check em out when i get time

[jade gull]

gn!

[wet citrus]

Would be nice too! I simply lack the skills to do shony graphics lol

[jade gull]

i just use spreadsheet lol

no skills either

[wet citrus]

Feel free to ping me if you need anything

[placid drift]

@wet citrus I need to tell you goodnight

[jade gull]

[placid drift]

[wet citrus]

You need to kiss me goodnight

[jade gull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062129006149704/466498f51bd5ad6e89144534c4cb39dbb4fd3cfb.jpg.gif

[inner rivet]

any heroes come to mind for this one?

[late aurora]

Emilia probably

I think she's the only mage that can make use of erosion and is

[inner rivet]

a bit of a shame though, isn't the collection skill wasted on her? not sure i really see her ult end much

[placid drift]

Dae too, but eh

Agree on Emi

[sweet folio]

Mistranslation apparently, it applies when you ult

[tepid helm]

dae, emi, belinda, mae

[sweet folio]

Still not amazing on emi as she doesn't ult often

[late aurora]

Dae and belinda is?

[sweet folio]

The other one would be better if it didn't fuck up NC

[inner rivet]

it feels like khazard and morael should use erosion, but maybe they don't? and i'm doubtful as to how useful they are these days

[sweet folio]

Khaz is in CR still but just for +30

Morael is dead

[inner rivet]

i can't remember if i still use morael for one budget-ish cr comp

[placid drift]

Dae on S4, no idea on Bel though

[tepid helm]

oh I missed the insight part

[late aurora]

Didn't know dae had cc, guess you learn everyday

[placid drift]

S1x had a neat image to help and I shamelessly saved

[jade gull]

i use his health loss one

[placid drift]

I'll reply to you and sound wise, I just copied someone's homework

[late aurora]

I think I saw someone asked support for erosion feedback. They said ainz doesn't make use of erosion

[placid drift]

🤝

[inner rivet]

what even is "health loss" regarding erosion? intuition suggests it might mean damage over time, but i'm unsure if it's even more specific than that

[late aurora]

Yeah this

[placid drift]

To be honest, if that came from support, I don't know if I'd trust too much

[sweet folio]

Support is shit

[placid drift]

Let me check the sacred texts though, surely there is something about it in there

[sweet folio]

Tho I wouldn't be surprised if tgoalid wasn't counted

[late aurora]

True, they misspelled ainz. Definitely not credible

[placid drift]

Riku, you are a nerd like us, so save this there somewhere for yourself:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1anFewmc_96HU6_mfVsfYniNmRPInNZY7RNMKxW3Kjnw/edit

[late aurora]

[placid drift]

The sacred texts
sad that bob is retiring

[vague sun]

Ideas here ? For Ivan or Solise ?

[jade gull]

not many r willing to do so much testing as bob did. he literally is the PhD of AFK

[placid drift]

Right?

[late aurora]

You can be the next bob . Change your name to bobpacalypse.

[placid drift]

Never

imagine making guides

drains your sanity and energy, look at bob, joux and others

[late aurora]

One time I actually attempted making a 30 minute beginners guide for YouTube

[placid drift]

love them all, but this is a dark path to go

[late aurora]

Then rem came along

[sweet folio]

Just make tier lists that's all YouTubers want

[placid drift]

[jade gull]

[timber tapir]

You make a guide, comments are “I don’t have that hero who can I use instead?”

[jade gull]

disable comments

[vague sun]

Can Supports use MP ?

[jade gull]

yes some

palmer, lib r good examples

[placid drift]

did you publish?

send me the link, Riku

[late aurora]

No, rem became able to garrison while I was in the middle of working on it. So I said f it and abandoned it

[placid drift]

Copied homework still nice

[tranquil quarry]

Should i go crit or full attack? it’s for liberta..

[late aurora]

Lib ult doesn't crit according to bobs guide

Health loss in general

[tranquil quarry]

So erosion?

[placid drift]

Daamn, as a newbie myself, I could have really used your help
Guess I'm stuck on early chapters then, all your fault

[timber tapir]

3 mythic attack

[late aurora]

Yeah people going for errosion on lib, attack is good though.

[vague sun]

Ivan , Palmer , Solise ?

[timber tapir]

Can always pivot to another support

[tranquil quarry]

It’s a full blue run

[late aurora]

Yeah pretty easy to get good stats on the blue ones

[jade gull]

u want something better for ivan palmer i feel. ig swolise

[tranquil quarry]

Problem is getting that level up

[late aurora]

My rem

[placid drift]

Give me

[vague sun]

Pfff ill sell it

[late aurora]

No u

[jade gull]

might as well use it for now and sell it when u get something better. its not bad. its above avg

[late aurora]

Anyone know what arti is the best for skill +2?

[jade gull]

especially relative to the other super OP ones, this one looks avg thats all

[jade gull]

yes. check channel history: #collections message

[placid drift]

Cover for Rem on TS would be neat, I guess

[timber tapir]

rem needs to it survive burst teams that delay Alna now

[placid drift]

No me? What can I give you?

none of my collections are nice

[late aurora]

Didn't know you can get +3 . Is it the same relics needed?

[jade gull]

it goes base +1 +2 skill wise. cn calls it lvl 1, 2, 3

[late aurora]

I'll take everything I can get. I focused on quality instead of quantity, lots of my units are still naked

[jade gull]

u can use two red lvl stats

[late aurora]

Ah so you only need 2 skill levels for skill 3?

[jade gull]

yes

totem u need lvl+ and miracle worker to start

[placid drift]

they just use that one convention, but yeah

[late aurora]

That's a relief

[jade gull]

u also need insane luck lol

[placid drift]

0,1,2 >> 1,2,3

[placid drift]

your next one will be good, by the way, trust me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1152109159106494514/image.gif

[jade gull]

yeah lemme edit and combine that guide with perp's and our terminology. can get it pinned after then

[jade gull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1152109159106494514/image.gif

same to u buddy!

[placid drift]

And Riku's run will be good if Riku accepts their destiny of pushing my campaign

[late aurora]

Don't worry I'll have insane luck

[placid drift]

Guess there will be no luck then

[jade gull]

[placid drift]

your loss

[late aurora]

Insane luck

[vague sun]

How is that looking. ?

[jade gull]

[late aurora]

[paper wasp]

@jade gull you still about?

[jade gull]

?

editing guides lol. whatsup

[paper wasp]

can you remind me what stats swolise wants?

[paper wasp]

oh is this part of a guide your editing rn

thanks anyhow

[jade gull]

yeah lol

[vague sun]

So literally

Attack to everyone

And fill whatever you get

[feral trench]

Mulan is happy for now

[paper wasp]

@jade gull Bad piece?

for swol

[tame topaz]

Would either mage collection for aBelinda be better than Windbinder?

[jade gull]

not bad. usable~

[paper wasp]

[jade gull]

collection is always better than arti in competitive modes which dont let u used arti

[tame topaz]

so i should just slap collection items on everyone instead of artifacts?

[jade gull]

thats what im doing

[placid drift]

How unfortunate, seems like you are having bad luck, huh || ||
You know what to do, call me later and we get your luck back

[paper wasp]

based on this i should probably go maetria next yea?

[sweet folio]

Big ainz

[paper wasp]

ainz strong

lore ainz

[sweet folio]

Yeah he got big nerfed coming to this dimension

[paper wasp]

gets smacked by rem

ainz wasnt ready for it yet

[sweet folio]

Saurus should be a dim hero too

[paper wasp]

[ionic crane]

What's the stat priority for rowan

[ionic crane]

Who's got a nerf?

[placid drift]

comment above, good sir

[twilit turtle]

this bullshit

[sweet folio]

why ask a question without reading any context first...

[placid drift]

Damn, hythlo

[twilit turtle]

wtf

[ionic crane]

Was it ainz?

[placid drift]

yep

[fathom shell]

🫥

[ionic crane]

Sorry I'm new so I was confused

[placid drift]

wtf izoke

[sweet folio]

lore ainz in his anime is incredibly op

[twilit turtle]

supposed to be for mulan

[ionic crane]

What's the status priority for rowan and his relic thing

[jade gull]

m+ f.buffer lol

and another m f.buffer on oculus

the reds r pretty thou

[ionic crane]

Are these the best selections for a support relic?

[sweet folio]

for ts many supports want tasi so they can live longer. in cr/nc, generally that one

[placid drift]

please limit yourself to blue totem runs for now, as you don't know the system that well

[sweet folio]

ooh but yeah blue totems only don't waste your good totems

[ionic crane]

I have done about 8 runs now. Don't have the best knowledge but have an okay idea. Just need to know stat priorities for Rowan lol

[ruby flame]

is spell bondage ok on shemira? i don’t have the other one unlocked

[jade gull]

yes

[ruby flame]

are these stat prio’s still accurate

[placid drift]

That's for Kane's CR round, by the way, as described at the top

[jade gull]

no. thats for last week. use the other one in the channel

[placid drift]

(don't worry, farara, got you)

[ionic crane]

Where's the other chart?

[jade gull]

scroll up

[oblique gorge]

is the mythic skill level ability any good? or should i refresh it

itd be for rem

[sweet folio]

always +1 if you can

[oblique gorge]

my terminology is bad but does that mean keep it ?

sorry bro im lowkey slow asf

[placid drift]

yep

[oblique gorge]

appreciate yall

[uncut hedge]

can someone send the list of erosion characters again

[ionic crane]

I'm making a relic for Ivan or rowan depending on the stats I get. Which should I swap diss with to make the other legendary? (Keeps the 2 stats just swapping rarity)

Should I make full attack legendary?

Since I have 3 prf

[grizzled grotto]

Solo atk is better for Ivan, full atk is better for Rowan

[ionic crane]

Okay I don't have attack yet si gonna go full attack

I can combine 3 and get 1 should I do 3 purples or 3 blues (and which?)

Nvm I got it

What do you think?

[grizzled grotto]

Good on Ivan

[hasty marlin]

🤮

[quiet vine]

Can anyone confirm that your wishlist attempt is only used up if you pull a legendary totem?

[jade gull]

yes. only if u pull a leg totem thats on ur wlist

[strong ginkgo]

can i pull a hand totem ?

[jade gull]

ur into hands ic

[tame topaz]

where is this from?

is that fine to follow

[jade gull]

its from cero's guide yes it fine

[tame topaz]

uhhh
would it be a good idea to try to stargaze a copy of zolrath/buy w/ currency for the collection item unlock

[devout knot]

😦

[devout knot]

is skill+1 better than mp for Abel?

[grizzled grotto]

You virtually always pick skill if you can
(Maybe if you had 4 incredible M stats on a collec with a less important skill you'd skip it)

[devout knot]

Ty 🙂

[hollow jolt]

For ivan im guessing armor is good? And Silas likes heal?

And atk ig is good