SeeleOS: An non-mlibc OS written in Rust, without any software/code from the 1980's

[leaden flower]

posix is just an interface

at one point windows was posix certified

they had to do it because of regulatory shit and they just did

[rapid rose]

POSIX is an API standard

Most POSIX systems uses Sys-V ABI

[modern glacier]

ok i managed to let codex port xeyes and all of its dependencies to my os

(note: he didnt actually change any of the code, he just made the build scripts)

[modern glacier]

managed to compile Xorg

(porting is so annoying even with ai helping me)

[weary narwhal]

Fuck cpp and r*st

[modern glacier]

bruh

[rugged marlin]

you dont use jinx?

[modern glacier]

yea becuase jinx takes 10 billion years

to build the debian container

[rugged marlin]

rip

well im never going to build ur system

if you just have 10k .sh files

[modern glacier]

i have a rust package system

its basically jinx but in rust

and better

https://github.com/SeeleOS/packages

(and the packages are also hardcoded in shhhhh)

[narrow loom]

how is it better 😭

the point of jinx is to run containerized

and independent of the environment

[modern glacier]

nix flakes

[narrow loom]

nix

april fools

[modern glacier]

what

[narrow loom]

nix is an april fools joke

[narrow loom]

didnt u already have ts

[rapid rose]

Are you still stuck in Vim?

[modern glacier]

its broken before

well it basically doesnt work

[modern glacier]

ok so...

i might be starting a new kernel project called alice

(with linux binary compatibility)

so its like 10 times easier

and i can probably run minecraft before i die of old age

[modern glacier]

after i ran into another massive project that i have to port*

[narrow loom]

what project

[modern glacier]

for example xorg

[modern glacier]

LETS FUCKING GO

time to port ion shell fish uutils blah blah blah

[weary narwhal]

YES!

YOU AND I ARE IN THE SAME STAGE

[modern glacier]

wat

you dont even have bash running wdym

[weary narwhal]

fish runs

(without libc)

tmrow i impl libc - mlibc

[modern glacier]

wat

in kernel?

[modern glacier]

what fish are you talking about

how tf do you run rust without a libc

[weary narwhal]

black magic

[modern glacier]

?

so what

wdym

[weary narwhal]

id rather keep it as a secret while i implement mlibc

[modern glacier]

so basically you ran it in kernel or didnt run it

：/

[modern glacier]

ok so

i might be

running Xorg

today

now xorg have started loading modules

(fbdev, etc)

ill post once i got some actual progress (like a black screen)

[modern glacier]

LETS FUCKING GO

[snow ruin]

well done

[modern glacier]

thanks ：d

my os finally getting some attention!

[modern glacier]

wekpofwkepofwkopfekof

LETS FUCKINGg Go

[rugged marlin]

lol post it on r/osdev.

[modern glacier]

dont have enough karma 😭

[rugged marlin]

you will only get so much attention in here.

Only way to pop off here is to span showcase for a week

certified strat

[rapid rose]

There are some subs for farming karma, try those

Or try posting on non-karma limited subs

[rapid rose]

Tho I wouldn't recommend this

[modern glacier]

i think ill try posting it on r/rust or something

[narrow loom]

what did you have to implement for this

[narrow loom]

@modern glacier

[modern glacier]

uh i forgot but i think its a bunch of things like fnctl

not working as expected

and also some more socket stuff

and unimplemetned flags

[narrow loom]

like what kinds of sockets

just unix?

[modern glacier]

unix socket

[narrow loom]

ok

[modern glacier]

do you mean like all of the syscalls or something

or like

something else

[narrow loom]

nah just in general, the apis needed to get something on the screen

the big thing I'm still missing in my kernel is probably sockets

[modern glacier]

uhh im not sure

you can check my syscalls

https://github.com/SeeleOS/seele-sys/blob/f428e7989c25b8bf295a2b64e1f5a59a0f757a0e/src/numbers.rs

here

[narrow loom]

btw what's the name of the project now

the repo says seeleos and your thread says elysiaos

[modern glacier]

its called seeleos

SeeleOS: An non-mlibc OS written in Rust, without any software/code from the 1980's

ill post a video once i got xinit wokring

[rapid rose]

Btw @modern glacier Add a readme to your github repo

Just enough information for someone to build it on their system

[modern glacier]

true

[bronze maple]

wait, the title says without any code from the 1980s, but youre using bash, released 1989

and first version of X11 is from 1987

xorg is just the same thing in a trenchcoat

[rapid rose]

We are being deceived

[covert ocean]

Good point

[bronze maple]

wayland on the other hand.... you could do a wayland compositor (no xwayland) and you get rid of all the 80s cruft in the WM

btw what was this renamed from
#1470727916248891466 message
i forgor

[covert ocean]

iEylsia OS I'm pretty sure

axe the i sorry

[bronze maple]

ah yes

could have gone with Eleysium

😄

SeeleOS works thouh 🙂

[modern glacier]

erm actually i meant 1970-1980 shhh

(well tbh i originally really planned to use wayland and other stuff thats newer, but then i found out they're way too hard to port)

so then i just gave up lmao

well tbh i might just replace bash and all these stuff

with newer software

but im not replacing xorg because of fbdev

[covert ocean]

shame 😔

[modern glacier]

libcpp is working!!

i can now finally compile cpp programs

[rapid rose]

80s = 1st Jan 1980- 31st Dec 1989

[modern glacier]

shhhhhh

[narrow loom]

yeah you'll need systemd for that

[modern glacier]

finally bash shut the fuck up about job control

(implemented all that process group things)

[leaden flower]

is that chinese discord

[woven patio]

...this makes me realize I could just use bash

but nah I'm good :3

[modern glacier]

yea ig

its qq

but i think its more like chinese whatsapp

it dont have channels and stuff

it only have groups

[modern glacier]

uh well that certainly "fetched" a lot of information

[narrow loom]

where shell info

[rugged marlin]

just look at astrals patches

i do have the recepies and everything to port fastfetch but i get a weeird config error

[modern glacier]

now it knows the shell

[modern glacier]

na i make my own patches & recepie

[modern glacier]

and it takes a long time to figure the shell out for some reason

[rugged marlin]

fair, you will atleast know what to change.

[modern glacier]

you can try using my recepie and patches tho

https://github.com/SeeleOS/packages

o yea and btw for some reason fastfetch takes a long time to get the shell

[modern glacier]

FUCKING FINALLY XINIT IS FUCKING WORK

WORKING

THE REASON WHY THERES SO MANY RANDOM FUCKING BUG

WAS BACUSE

MY LAZY MAPPING IS BROKEN

[modern glacier]

st is fucking running YEAS

[modern glacier]

st fully working!!!!

[woven patio]

https://tenor.com/view/he-did-it-gif-25741033

[modern glacier]

my current goal is to

uh

run gtk/qt apps

and then ill try to run kde plasma

[woven patio]

Lock in

[narrow loom]

are you linux

[weary narwhal]

she/he/they/them is not. they are making their os in R*st

[narrow loom]

yeah so kde won't be happening

[weary narwhal]

maybe?

[modern glacier]

i dont have any more goals to work towards lol

[narrow loom]

no like

the fact that you're using relibc will prevent you from running kde

[modern glacier]

why

i can just add more stuff to relibc

i already added a lot of missing things for relibc

[narrow loom]

yeah? just do that

[modern glacier]

relibc couldent even compile busybox/bash without any extra patches :/

[narrow loom]

lmao

relibc is kind of a meme

[modern glacier]

true

[narrow loom]

relibc + redox is one of the least posix compliant OSes after minix

[modern glacier]

im still using a ramdisk rn

[narrow loom]

https://mathewnd.github.io/mlibc-linux-os-test/index.html

[modern glacier]

im gonna add actual stuff rn

[median trellis]

that's fine though, it's not their primary goal

[narrow loom]

not for running kde

[modern glacier]

ngl if im already running xorg and all these super complicated software, i dont see why i cant run kde

[narrow loom]

because it's a lot more complicated

there's a ton of moving parts

the problem is not running kde, fishix showed that it's trivial if it's prebuilt for you

but the problem is porting it to a new libc target

and even worse if your libc doesn't support linux APIs

[modern glacier]

true

[modern glacier]

i also let ai implemented virtio-blk so that i could have presistance storage instead of just having a ramdisk

the reason that i let ai do it instead of doing it my self is because i dont really care about pci and all these stuff, i just want to work on all the cooler stuff instead of getting stuck on these not so cool stuff

[rugged marlin]

me too

im implementijng compressing though

like #1272622048522403901 so my ramdisk aint that big

[rugged marlin]

fair use of AI

just make sure to review the code

sometimes AI hallucinates you into believing its doing stuff it doesnt actually do

looking at you codex ahem

[modern glacier]

storage is like

the most lame and boring thing

ever

[modern glacier]

finally compiled clang after 2352893052839 years

ok so i should prrrrobably work on smp

[narrow loom]

you didn't have that?

well, surely you made your structures thread safe cuz of rust

[modern glacier]

hopefully lol

[modern glacier]

before its too late

so that i dont end up like fishix

[narrow loom]

fishix is cpp so it wouldn't protect you from that anyway

but rust should (assuming your primitives are correctly using unsafe/atomics)

you're probably using the spin crate tho?

[modern glacier]

yup

and rust also have the send + sync thing

so hopefully it will force me to use Mutex when its not safe

[narrow loom]

do you have blocking mutexes?

if not you're probably wasting cpu time

[modern glacier]

tbh

like 95% of the code rn is written by ai

even tho im still reviewing its still ai doing like 99% of the job

and im kinda burnt out rn lol

cuz i feel like im not actually doing anything

(i might start another os project where everything is fully written from scratch by my self)

and its like templeos/retro rocket where the kernel is just a interpreter

[edgy talon]

Hey uhh why are you using AI for your kernel like this when you have said these things before? Did you recently start using it or somthing?

[rugged marlin]

as i suspected for a long time

Might be self explanitory but ahem

Anyways atleast its not vibecoded slop

[narrow loom]

isn't this the definition of vibecoding

[rugged marlin]

It's vibecoded, but not slop.

[lean steeple]

i mean

vibecoding (to me) kind of implies you just talk to the LLM and maybe test the resulting program

but without once caring for or reading the actual generated code

i.e. this project on my gh https://github.com/Mintsuki/safer-cc is completely vibecoded

if you actually care about the generated code, even if the AI generates it for you, to me, that doesn't count as vibecoded

[modern glacier]

back then i wasnt using ai this much

i am using ai but im still desinging the system and reviewing its code

so that it doesnt just generate slop

[modern glacier]

yea its recent

[edgy talon]

yeah thats fair, i just wanted to ask lol

you could go back to an old commit and do it without AI

[modern glacier]

tbh my project might be like the first ever os project that used ai but wasnt complete slop

[edgy talon]

if you wanted

[modern glacier]

true but ai already did it so i feel like theres no point in rolling back

o yea and im also making a linux binary compatible fork of my os (becuase porting is way too fucking annoying)

porting and compiling stuff from source

[edgy talon]

you could also use a competent libc

[modern glacier]

no i mean

compiling

and

uh

[edgy talon]

slow PC and internet?

[modern glacier]

its not really about libc

and also not about slowpc and internet

[edgy talon]

then what is it?

[modern glacier]

well making patches and writing recepies

[edgy talon]

you can always jusr steal them

but yeah fair fair

[modern glacier]

and i also recently started playing wynncraft again

on a new ironman profile

[umbral grotto]

also v8.9 in hi3 has new seele

[modern glacier]

YOO NICE

ig i have to port hi3 to my os

[modern glacier]

icewm instealled with pacman!!!!

(with glibc + arch)

[rugged marlin]

huh

well done!

[modern glacier]

its with ai 💀

becuase i kinda gave up after seeing how much ai can do

like it can do what i can do in 1 day within 10 minutes

so yea i just gave up

[rugged marlin]

Well, no comment.

[modern glacier]

im still reviewing the code and making changes tho, becuase without it the entire codebase will probably turn into slop within 1 minute

[rugged marlin]

https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware/src/branch/main/README.md#why-not-llms

[edgy talon]

Then why keep using AI

[edgy talon]

Why are we talking this thing seriously lol

Like this entire repo

[rugged marlin]

Personally I don't agree with everything they say

it's just bs

But that section is quite good

then witchhunting AI generated repos aint for me

[edgy talon]

I think the reason you shouldn’t use AI is because it’s not making you fuffiled

And it’s making you not use your skills properly

[modern glacier]

because i feel like im basically useless and writing any code have no point

since ai can do it faster and better

[ember ginkgo]

I dont really care atp. I think you probably produce better outcomes if you can use it as a tool rather than a crutch. I think this whole purity from AI is futile/pointless.

[modern glacier]

tho i am planning to start a new project without ai

[edgy talon]

Then don’t use the AI? Who cares if it’s faster or “””better”””

The point of programming is to have fun

[modern glacier]

fair enough

but i feel like im having much more fun watching ai do it then doing it mys elf

self

[edgy talon]

Whenever I sit and make AI do things because I wanted to see what it could do. I’m sat there fucking bored out of my mind waiting for it to do shit and wanting to code it myself

[rugged marlin]

Personally I would say for there's a mix, I enjoy both worlds.

I have Claude installed on my machine through vs code, I use it for tasks which I dont enjoy doing.

(ex debugging, finding weird ahh implementation quirks, and/or writing small snippets and/or reworking small pieces of code)

You just need to get the best of both worlds.

If I would only use AI it would be boring tbh

[rugged marlin]

Your OS is also one of the most developed ones in the server.

Don't give it up.

But try and resist the urge to AI generate everything.

[modern glacier]

yea thats what im doing before

but now after seeing what ai can do i just gave up

i will probably make a new project without any ai tho

[narrow loom]

well it kind of defeats the purpose

if you don't actually want to learn about the inner workings of an OS and just want to have bragging right as in "i can run x and y", this is the least productive way of doing it

[modern glacier]

why tho

because honestly ai is like a lot faster

[median trellis]

It depends on whether you want to learn something or on whether you want to have something working w/o caring about the details

[rapid rose]

Learning is fun

It's a hobby project, you aren't getting paid to develop faster nor are you getting fined for going slow.

[modern glacier]

true, but its just frustrating that you have to spend 1 day to get literally anything done

1 day implementing some random linux bs

[rugged marlin]

By the way, which AI are you using?

Claude Pro?

Its quite astonishing that you've been able to make it this far.

[modern glacier]

codex

codex gpt-5.4

[weary dust]

Are those people on this server? I don't think Hyper was shilled anywhere outside of here

[ember ginkgo]

I think someone from here just mentioned it as an alternative

there was a whole debacle in the PRs

[narrow loom]

yes

or well, iirc they got banned

[rugged marlin]

No, they are not from here as far as I know

Haven't seen any of them around here

Might have got banned in the mass ban wave of AI critics.

[narrow loom]

rofl

evdev as an alternative to libinput

lol

[ember ginkgo]

[modern glacier]

im starting a new os project lol

(im planning it to be a fully async microkenrel)

becauase async kernels are cool and microkenrels are also cool

and also all of the softwares will be mine

and it will also be actually non-posix & non-unix

[narrow loom]

so managarm

just contribute to managarm instead

[modern glacier]

doesnt managarm run linux program

[narrow loom]

so what

it's all userspace

[modern glacier]

and its also unixlike and have all the unix features

[narrow loom]

you can run managarm without all unix features

it has its own api

[modern glacier]

well but managarm have unix featuresr by default

[narrow loom]

it's like a compat layer

[modern glacier]

and the screenshot is also weston

so its like basically the default

anyways

its like saying that my os is non-posix non-unix lol

[narrow loom]

wdym

no managarm is really non-posix

but in order to run posix/unix/linux apps we have a server that handles thos

managarm itself doesn't even have a file system

or a vfs

[modern glacier]

yea but

like

these are like

the default

i mean

whatever

[mortal ember]

What's even the point of hobby OSDev if you're gonna let AI do everything?

[modern glacier]

thats exactly why im starting this new project

but yea

[leaden flower]

To flex how good the ai you are obv

[modern glacier]

true

[rugged marlin]

Might need to move this into #1495060704418463934

[modern glacier]

it doesnt really fit

maybe there should be something for like

semi-vibecoded

because there is human supervision

[rugged marlin]

Doesnt it? That's crazy

[lean steeple]

it fits