though i truly believe i shouldnt jumpscare the brain
#AeroSync, A real hardware-capable monolithic kernel for x86_64 CPUs
forest epoch
you shouldn't
ionic helm
also why is r12 deadbeefcafebabe?
forest epoch
also why is r12 deadbeefcafebabe?
probably poison data if you use that.
or a magic number
forest epoch
cool
ionic helm
forest epoch
thinking what should i do today for modularus?
forest epoch
No blue?
ionic helm
thinking what should i do today for modularus?
device drivers
forest epoch
device drivers
Still thinking should i do builtins for the loader and linker
ionic helm
very dark navy blue
ionic helm
Still thinking should i do builtins for the loader and linker
which builtins?
forest epoch
which builtins?
loader and linker
so atleast we have the basics to actually link external modules
*.ko ofc
by default
linker can be replaced with some other format
*.dll???
idk
forest epoch
well i will default to .ko
forest epoch
as i used it in my AxeialOS
ionic helm
or .mx
ionic helm
as i used it in my AxeialOS
ppl definitely not gonna try to load a linux kernel module
forest epoch
Modularus Module
custom format would be painful, also thats not feature provided by modularus
forest epoch
KO is not special at all
I know that
the point is,
modularus linkers will not be the same
as they would be replaceable
ionic helm
just looked at when i truly gave up in osdev
ionic helm
as they would be replaceable
youre planning to make the kernel hotswappable so no confusion here
forest epoch
youre planning to make the kernel hotswappable so no confusion here
obviously
ionic helm
they can add a format support module
forest epoch
not format
no one is crazy to do that so? right?
ionic helm
no one is crazy to do that so? right?
why not
let the linker, loader use a generic interface
and requires format modules to define hot to parse the format
so if you want your own format, you have to add support for that format first
(this is actually even simpler for the kernel side since it no longer needs an elf loader-)
forest epoch
the kernel itself is 50% a linker
not really, its just a big abstraction layer (80% VFS, 10% Sysfs++ (root), ~10% Builtins)
ionic helm
wait
forest epoch
not really, its just a big abstraction layer (80% VFS, 10% Sysfs++ (root), ~10% ...
Thats the entire kernel composition for Modularus
ionic helm
btw look at this
this is in VoidFrame roadmap
a 36KLOC kernel that doesnt have ring 3
forest epoch
a 36KLOC kernel that doesnt have ring 3
🥀 what
ionic helm
(yes it is 100% a os-in-kernel-in-ring-0)
forest epoch
when AxeialOS was only ~5000 LoC i implemented fucking everything userspace, virtual spaces and syscalls (legacy)
forest epoch
iirc at ~30KLOC i started userspace
you dont need THAT big of a kernel to start userspace, only simple PMM and VMM, IDT/GDT/TSS and syscall instructions, thats basically it which must all be under ~1000 LoC
and if you want all like user threads, processes and stuff, that will be ~3000 LoC
ionic helm
OH MY GOD
forest epoch
2060 messages
noice
ionic helm
I HATE MY SIGNER
forest epoch
I HATE MY SIGNER
what did it do?
ionic helm
definitely a skill issue in cmake script writing
the thing is
for some reason, it some time signs WITHOUT recompling the kernel
forest epoch
definitely a skill issue in cmake script writing
my build system has NEVER backstabbed me like that randomly ever
ionic helm
to expect the new signatures and set of new keys
forest epoch
lmfao
ionic helm
my build system has NEVER backstabbed me like that randomly ever
makefiles are much simpler
and much much more predictable
im only using cmake for its IDE compatibility
forest epoch
makefiles are much simpler
GNUmakefile <3
ionic helm
i use CLion
forest epoch
im only using cmake for its IDE compatibility
makefile is also IDE compatible?
vscode
ionic helm
i use CLion
somewhat
normal pebble
The extensions, everything
ionic helm
CLion + CMake is extremely powerful
forest epoch
it does have support
insane i realized that rn 😭
ionic helm
and makefile is ...
ionic helm
insane i realized that rn 😭
but i dont like the fragmentation of VScode
forest epoch
It's horrible
i'm used to it, i have lazy vim and jetbrains as well
ionic helm
but i dont like the fragmentation of VScode
its lightweight though (at least compared to java-based one)
normal pebble
I don't use Clion because it uses Java 🤮
ionic helm
including most jetbrains editor
normal pebble
i'm used to it, i have lazy vim and jetbrains as well
I used to be a neovim guy, but that phase ended a year or two ago
ionic helm
I used to be a neovim guy, but that phase ended a year or two ago
thought its great?
ionic helm
Now, i use neovim for editing text files
i use micro
normal pebble
thought its great?
It is
ionic helm
my beloved cli editor
forest epoch
Now, i use neovim for editing text files
i use vim
normal pebble
I also went through Arch btw phase betwen 2021-2023
(It was my first ever Linux distro)
ionic helm
(It was my first ever Linux distro)
same here
forest epoch
I also went through Arch btw phase betwen 2021-2023
i use arch on my laptop btw 
forest epoch
(It was my first ever Linux distro)
my first ever linux distro i ever tried was Ubuntu thanks to my fucking school 😭
ionic helm
It's stable, and keeps up with the latest updates
fair enough
normal pebble
my first ever linux distro i ever tried was Ubuntu thanks to my fucking school �...
lol
forest epoch
my first personal distro i used on my computer was alpine linux
normal pebble
I use gnome
normal pebble
I have tried KDE, Hyprland, BSPWM
ionic helm
lmfao ☠️
ionic helm
I have tried KDE, Hyprland, BSPWM
cool
normal pebble
btw <@1413160771545727118> , my pc is actually allergic to windows
lmfao
forest epoch
my first personal distro i used on my computer was alpine linux
when i got into systems programming very early, around mid 2024
normal pebble
I use Windows to keep my firmware upto date
normal pebble
I use Windows to keep my firmware upto date
(And CUDA)
ionic helm
I use Windows to keep my firmware upto date
what?
forest epoch
I have tried KDE, Hyprland, BSPWM
my laptop with arch linux (this one) has hyprland
ionic helm
UEFI, etc.
arent bios updated supposed to be run in the uefi env?
normal pebble
arent bios updated supposed to be run in the uefi env?
Well, I still need to download the package
ionic helm
Well, I still need to download the package
download?
forest epoch
my laptop with arch linux (this one) has hyprland
tho i dont like normal full GUI DEs, i love terminals
ionic helm
you need a browser for that?
normal pebble
and for some reason, HP doesn't have a dedicated help center for Linux
ionic helm
and for some reason, HP doesn't have a dedicated help center for Linux
it should be reasonable though?
forest epoch
and for some reason, HP doesn't have a dedicated help center for Linux
you can use reddit 
ionic helm
Windows is so popular
normal pebble
it should be reasonable though?
it is
And the help center also keeps track of my warranty, etc.
ionic helm
finally fixed it
forest epoch
finally fixed it
wtf is a GSF???
ionic helm
wtf is a GSF???
just a random thought ngl ☠️
normal pebble
wtf is a GSF???
Global system failure duh
ionic helm
the thing is
ionic helm
for some reason im paranoid with ugly charactors
normal pebble
not a real exception, maybe GPF?
It's a PANIC call loll
ionic helm
not a real exception, maybe GPF?
it would be in STOP CODE:
ionic helm
for some reason im paranoid with ugly charactors
if i do KERNEL PANIC
then the K and E is not very neat
forest epoch
It's a PANIC call loll
frick, i'm so used to seeing #GP, #PF and etc lmao
normal pebble
Just look at the stacktrace
ionic helm
maybe STOP_CODE is kinda windows-y
forest epoch
frick, i'm so used to seeing #GP, #PF and etc lmao
Thanks to AxeialOS
forest epoch
maybe STOP_CODE is kinda windows-y
NT like
ionic helm
also the amount of magic math in this is insane
forest epoch
also the amount of magic math in this is insane
still way less compared to my VFS black magic 
ionic helm
still way less compared to my VFS black magic <:KEKW:913708372329644042>
that would be insane
forest epoch
that would be insane
its a full fledged UNIX-like VFS
ionic helm
its a full fledged UNIX-like VFS
nice
forest epoch
<@456226577798135808> beside GSF, what are some other choices?
FATAL ERROR
or FATAL CRASH
ionic helm
FATAL ERROR
hmm
normal pebble
<@456226577798135808> beside GSF, what are some other choices?
<player> died from dehydration
forest epoch
if you want to keep it user-freindly (you dont want to scare them) you can use a less violent- Unrecoverable Failure
ionic helm
<player> fell while climbing
damn
forest epoch
<player> fell while climbing
<player> touched a place where it shouldn't
forest epoch
||<player>|| touched a place where it shouldn't
ionic helm
Meltdown
ionic helm
maybe i should also add a list of stop codes
(more consistent way of just messages)
but that would mean updating all caller side API
normal pebble
Btw take a look at this project post I wrote over the apst day or two
ionic helm
neat
what framework?
though id say updating this after such kernel change is tedious asf
at least you are not in the beginners mistake
of making advertisement without anything to show
normal pebble
what framework?
Preact + Bun
ionic helm
Preact + Bun
ditched node?
normal pebble
With a server which serves the posts via API calls
ionic helm
fair enough
normal pebble
ditched node?
Never used node tbh
normal pebble
This is my first attempt at Webdev after HTML and CSS
ionic helm
This is my first attempt at Webdev after HTML and CSS
i see
forest epoch
i've tried webdev before pure in HTML
ionic helm
I didn't like Webdev to begin with tbh
dont really know if i like it or not
forest epoch
and made shitty website that was a simple form
ionic helm
ok, synced gitlab
ionic helm
atp you are just doing stuff randomly am i right?
im doing internal work all the day and focus on mm is that random?
ionic helm
atp you are just doing stuff randomly am i right?
though yes
in this case its random
since i just pushed already
and just wanna do sth light
ionic helm
clion has crashed twice in a row
ionic helm
nvm it is very cooked rn
forest epoch
nvm it is very cooked rn
what did you do?
ionic helm
what did you do?
it works on my machine
but not my friends
the vtd module blews up the kernel
and on android qemu it died very early
forest epoch
it works on my machine
thats my username lmao
ionic helm
thats my username lmao
oh right
ionic helm
ok
so its just a logic issue
the patched was like 4 lines
but wait
it only happens on QEMU TCG?
forest epoch
what?
ionic helm
tcg is stricter
like bochs
since its mostly software
oh nice
i got compile modules optional
nice
though unfortunately i have to disable VT-d support for now
anyways
made this
function(include_ifdef config path)
if(DEFINED ${config})
include(${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/${path})
endif()
endfunction()
include_ifdef(CONFIG_EXT_DRM_RENDERER drivers/graphics/drm/linearfb/linearfb.cmake)
include_ifdef(CONFIG_EXT_UART drivers/uart/uart.cmake)
include_ifdef(CONFIG_EXT_INTEL_IOMMU drivers/iommu/vtd.cmake)
include_ifdef(CONFIG_EXT_IDE_ATA drivers/block/ide/ide.cmake)
include_ifdef(CONFIG_EXT_RT_FW_SUPPORT drivers/fw/fw.cmake)
now we can compile and load a module with just an option
very nice
sysintf is doing a good job here
ionic helm
@forest epoch for some reason i wanna make a real mode os (not kernel)
ionic helm
ok linux vsnprintf is ported
ionic helm
prototype @forest epoch
ok vga mode 13h is a bit more trouble some than i thought
so normal 0xb8000 it is
ionic helm
hmm, wonder if my pc is supported
forest epoch
just in ram project
I see
ionic helm
ok
ionic helm
implementing USME rn
(unified smart mapping engine)
maybe i should stop making up names
ionic helm
forgot to sync gitlab
forest epoch
ionic helm
ionic helm
ok, im now using fedora
ionic helm
this is probably the craziest max min i have ever seen
anyways, happy (lunar) new year!!
languid plover
this is probably the craziest max min i have ever seen
max window size tcp?
ionic helm
max window size tcp?
what?
languid plover
nvm
ionic helm
maybe aerosync will support gcc soon
meager atlas
why does literallty everyone have an OS that actually exists, i wish mine existed too
ionic helm
why does literallty everyone have an OS that actually exists, i wish mine existe...
i dont have an os
meager atlas
kernbel
ionic helm
lmao
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/include/lib/math.h:482:9: error: expression in
static assertion is not constant
482 | x = clamp((x - edge0) / (edge1 - edge0), 0.0, 1.0);
| ^~~~~
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/include/lib/math.h:482:9: error: expression in
static assertion is not constant
482 | x = clamp((x - edge0) / (edge1 - edge0), 0.0, 1.0);
| ^~~~~
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/drivers/graphics/drm/linearfb/linearfb.c: In
function ‘linearfb_color_brightness’:
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/drivers/graphics/drm/linearfb/linearfb.c:500:7:
error: expression in static assertion is not constant
500 | r = clamp((int)(r * amount), 0, 255);
| ^~~~~
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/drivers/graphics/drm/linearfb/linearfb.c:500:7:
error: expression in static assertion is not constant
500 | r = clamp((int)(r * amount), 0, 255);
| ^~~~~
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/drivers/graphics/drm/linearfb/linearfb.c:501:7:
error: expression in static assertion is not constant
501 | g = clamp((int)(g * amount), 0, 255);
| ^~~~~
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/drivers/graphics/drm/linearfb/linearfb.c:501:7:
error: expression in static assertion is not constant
501 | g = clamp((int)(g * amount), 0, 255);
| ^~~~~
/home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/drivers/graphics/drm/linearfb/linearfb.c:502:7:
error: expression in static assertion is not constant
502 | b = clamp((int)(b * amount), 0, 255);
| ^~~~~
currently trying to add OPIC support, have been a little distracted since lunar new year
ionic helm
also adding EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(sym) and also EXPORT_SYMBOL_MIT(sym)
ionic helm
also adding ET_REL support
forest epoch
nice
ionic helm
good
also added a generic loader so i follow DRY
shi-
i still havent edit this ever since the build script was copied from voidframe
ionic helm
fixed some several stack usage issues
ld.lld: warning: <unknown>:0:0: stack frame size (4392) exceeds limit (2048) in function 'scan_gen'
ld.lld: warning: <unknown>:0:0: stack frame size (4248) exceeds limit (2048) in function 'do_munmap'
ld.lld: warning: <unknown>:0:0: stack frame size (4296) exceeds limit (2048) in function '__purge_vmap_node'
ld.lld: warning: <unknown>:0:0: stack frame size (2152) exceeds limit (2048) in function 'smp_call_function_many'
ld.lld: warning: <unknown>:0:0: stack frame size (4184) exceeds limit (2048) in function 'vmm_unmap_pages'
ld.lld: warning: <unknown>:0:0: stack frame size (32952) exceeds limit (2048) in function 'sys_poll'
ld.lld: warning: <unknown>:0:0: stack frame size (2648) exceeds limit (2048) in function 'do_rename'
we are also doing a massive linux libraries port tomorrow
after that we have CET SS support
then Capability system, UUID, GUID support
quite a bit to do as you can see
this will be for r0c4
this doesnt include any groundbreaking changes but i hope to deliver as many bug fixes as possibkle
ionic helm
ok nice
just pushed
now we will probably do some hardening
and mm advancing using the newly-ported interval_tree
from linux ofc
ionic helm
adding brk and sbrk support
ionic helm
pushed some changes
very nice
gonna try mint
btw
next release will be r0c4-4.5.9
even though the old one is 4.3.7 already
ive decided that this new release wont add too much new stuff
mostly hardening
and minor features
as well as bug fixes
for extra stability ofc
ionic helm
just realized my kernel CANNOT be compiled with clang 18 or lower
due to my kernel being c23
and the alignas keywrd
it has different syntax (for some reason) on clang 18
prob due to it was release when c23 is stabilizing
pls dont blame me, i wanna keep c23
also added support for chosing clang version with the CLANG_VERSION env
so now you can do CLANG_VERSION=19 cmake --preset amd64, and it will automatically search for clang19 and clang++19
ionic helm
oh i found sth interesting https://github.com/thepowersgang/rust_os/blob/master/acpica/patches/source/include/platform/acrust.h
an acenv for acpica by the rust bootstrap compiler guy
ionic helm
holy shit it actually works!
i have acpica compiled and linked
now lets implement OSL
ionic helm
osl is implemented
just have to solve some conflicts
cpica/source/components/utilities/utxfmutex.c.obj -o aerosync.krnl && :
ld.lld: error: duplicate symbol: AcpiOsAllocateZeroed
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/drivers/acpi/acpica_osl.c.obj
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/lib/acpica/source/components/utilities/utalloc.c.obj
ld.lld: error: duplicate symbol: AcpiOsCreateCache
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/drivers/acpi/acpica_osl.c.obj
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/lib/acpica/source/components/utilities/utcache.c.obj
ld.lld: error: duplicate symbol: AcpiOsPurgeCache
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/drivers/acpi/acpica_osl.c.obj
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/lib/acpica/source/components/utilities/utcache.c.obj
ld.lld: error: duplicate symbol: AcpiOsDeleteCache
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/drivers/acpi/acpica_osl.c.obj
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/lib/acpica/source/components/utilities/utcache.c.obj
ld.lld: error: duplicate symbol: AcpiOsReleaseObject
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/drivers/acpi/acpica_osl.c.obj
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/lib/acpica/source/components/utilities/utcache.c.obj
ld.lld: error: duplicate symbol: AcpiOsAcquireObject
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/drivers/acpi/acpica_osl.c.obj
>>> defined in CMakeFiles/aerosync.krnl.dir/lib/acpica/source/components/utilities/utcache.c.obj
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
clang: error: linker (via gcc) command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.
bruh dumbass me forgot to add defs in fkx and asrx builers
and ask why it doesnt compile ☠️
ionic helm
[6] [ 1.024918] [sys::acpi] ACPI: [6] [ 1.025106] [sys::acpi] RSDP 0x000000007FB7E014 000024 (v02 BOCHS?)[6] [ 1.025631] [sys::acpi]
[6] [ 1.025804] [sys::acpi] ACPI: [6] [ 1.026967] [sys::acpi] XSDT 0x000000007FB7D0E8 000064 (v01 BOCHS? BXPC???? 00000001 ???? 01000013)[6] [ 1.027516] [sys::acpi]
[6] [ 1.027692] [sys::acpi] ACPI: [6] [ 1.027882] [sys::acpi] FACP 0x000000007FB79000 0000F4 (v03 BOCHS? BXPC???? 00000001 BXPC 00000001)[6] [ 1.028421] [sys::acpi]
[0] [ 1.028587] [sys::san::ubsan] nullptr pointer dereference
[0] [ 1.028917] [sys::san::ubsan] Location: /home/atheria/workspace/AeroSync/lib/acpica/source/components/tables/tbfadt.c:639:39
[0] [ 1.029603] [sys::san::ubsan] Type: 'ACPI_TABLE_FADT' (aka 'struct acpi_table_fadt')
[0] [ 1.030064] [sys::san::ubsan] Operation: member access within
[0] [ 1.030414] [sys::core::panic] [--------------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[0] [ 1.031020] [sys::core::panic] AeroSync panic
[0] [ 1.031450] [sys::core::panic] [--------------------------------------------------------------------------------]
[0] [ 1.032055] [sys::core::panic] Reason: [sys::san::ubsan] type_mismatch
[0] [ 1.032445] [sys::core::panic] System State:
[0] [ 1.032709] [sys::core::panic] Kernel Version : r0c3.hardened - 4.3.7-Convergence+branch.r0c3-4.3.7-12-g021f367-dirty.dev+abi.0
[0] [ 1.033390] [sys::core::panic] CPU Core ID : 0
[0] [ 1.033689] [sys::core::panic] Current Task : (pid: 0)
[0] [ 1.034074] [sys::core::panic] [--------------------------------------------------------------------------------]
very nice
HOLY FCKING SHIT
IT WORKS
I WAS MISSING OFFSETOF
ionic helm
yeah
pushed
also bumped the version fo r0c4-5.4.9
logging tags now also include advertisement
very nice
i.e. now prefixed with aerosync::
ionic helm
i have to do this ```c
static ACPI_STATUS
osl_osi_handler(ACPI_STRING interface_name, UINT32 *supported)
{
if (!supported || !interface_name) return AE_BAD_PARAMETER;
/* TODO: add acpi_osi= boot parameter support here /
/ FIXME: discover the actual needed 'lies', not blindly supporting all */
/* Default to not supported */
*supported = 0;
/* Whitelist what we actually support */
if (!strcmp(interface_name, "Windows 2013") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Windows 2015") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Windows 2019") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Windows 2022") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Windows 2025") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Windows 2012") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Windows 2009") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Module Device") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Processor Device") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "3.0 Thermal Model") ||
!strcmp(interface_name, "Extended Address Space Descriptor")) {
*supported = 1;
return AE_OK;
}
#ifdef CONFIG_DENY_LINUX_OSI
/*
- Explicitly deny "Linux" - some vendor firmware (Lenovo infamously)
- returns broken thermal/battery data when this returns true
*/
if (!strcmp(interface_name, "Linux")) {
*supported = 0;
return AE_OK;
}
#endif
return AE_OK;
}
😭
ionic helm
added support for ansi colors
forest epoch
i have to do this ```c
static ACPI_STATUS
osl_osi_handler(ACPI_STRING interface_...
disguised as windass
ionic helm
disguised as windass
no other choice 😭
ionic helm
bump
dusky reef
btw why did u decide to do acpica
ionic helm
btw why did u decide to do acpica
i dont have a good reason for that, uacpi is great, it works fine for me. its primarly just the itch to switch
so thati can never look at it again
dusky reef
Oh
ionic helm
Did you find the kernel api easier or harder etc?
uACPI was trivial to integrate and use, very friendly to use too
while ACPICA is much bigger, its somewhat modular, you need to supply acwhatever.h and it would work fine, though the OSL is bigger than uACPI glue
and imo, usage in both implementations are not too hard
dusky reef
I see
ionic helm
I see
i see, also about you and uacpi, i see that you are the owner of the uacpi thread
dusky reef
yes
dusky reef
i made uacpi alone lol
ionic helm
oh wow
i didnt expect that
so just out of curiosity
what do you think of acpica? (that made you make uacpi)
dusky reef
Ok so first of all i made uacpi not because acpica was bad, but simply because my project was NIH
dusky reef
Secondly, I've talked to the acpica maintainers quite a lot, also contributed a few patches and fixes both to acpica and linux upstream. In general ACPICA is decent, but you have to understand that it's a library that's essentially tailored for linux, and has a lot of downstream patches that only exist in linux not propagated back to acpica
So you're using a distilled version that might have bugs and missing stuff
ionic helm
Secondly, I've talked to the acpica maintainers quite a lot, also contributed a ...
i see
dusky reef
Also, in general it's quite buggy when it comes to aml, it's very easy to crash, it does leak memory sometimes
ionic helm
Also, in general it's quite buggy when it comes to aml, it's very easy to crash,...
yeah, and its quite unreadable
dusky reef
It's internal api assumes the caller knows the internal implementation and won't abuse the api
ionic helm
uacpi is much more readable
dusky reef
so it's not protected against deadlock, races, etc. that uacpi is protected against
because i designed it with the idea that the user has no idea how to use the api and what can cause deadlocks, crashes, etc
Also its very far from compatibility with Nt's interpreter
Which may be a problem on a lot of systems
ionic helm
i see
ionic helm
Also its very far from compatibility with Nt's interpreter
i see, what does it mean by that?
ionic helm
oh nvm
dusky reef
i see, what does it mean by that?
I have some examples here https://github.com/uACPI/uACPI?tab=readme-ov-file#why-would-i-use-this-over-acpica
aml code snippets too
ionic helm
bump
ionic helm
I have some examples here https://github.com/uACPI/uACPI?tab=readme-ov-file#why-...
ill probably use uacpi for #1475806779676823674
its much saner
ionic helm
bump
meager atlas
bimp
heavy haven
btw is tihs kernel like a Unix-like kernel that runs linux software
or is it just a kernel that doesnt run any softaware, just a kernel
ionic helm
or is it just a kernel that doesnt run any softaware, just a kernel
it is a linux clone
sadly
ionic helm
whats why i do #1475806779676823674 as a side project
heavy haven
wow
ionic helm
bro is at 50k lines of code and still; cant load elf executable
what r you talking about?
it is at 126K (with deps)
heavy haven
with deps D:
ionic helm
bro is at 50k lines of code and still; cant load elf executable
i didnt say it cant load
ionic helm
with deps D:
without deps it 50k
heavy haven
if it doesnt actually do something
ionic helm
so uh why dont you try to run software
i already said before
i want no technical debt before entering userspace (and including loading execs)
ionic helm
dont you feel boring tho if there isnt any progress that you can see
well, actually
i already had enough
my older kernel (predecessor of aerosync)
is actually the exact thing you would expect
heavy haven
oh
ionic helm
but i take too many shortcuts, bad designs and im basically paranoid about bad designs since then...
heavy haven
yea im pretty sure i dont have much technical debt
ionic helm
yea im pretty sure i dont have much technical debt
well, you did it the correct way
heavy haven
i also had enough of technical debt back when im making minecraft plugins xd
ionic helm
well, you did it the correct way
but i dont 🥀
ionic helm
anyways, working on vfs for r0c4
ionic helm
🙏
ionic helm
btw is C easy to make technical debuty
though yeah
heavy haven
ah
ionic helm
scince there isnt fancy things like trait and objects
facts
though he can somewhat simulate them
heavy haven
yea
ionic helm
not complete obviously
ionic helm
so now theres self in C
(manual)
extra words to type
though yeah
rust is veri cool 👍
ionic helm
why do poeple like C then
its predictable
ionic helm
is it becuase its very close to hardware?
also yeah
heavy haven
oh
heavy haven
yea i guess
although i dont really feel rust have any problem with these
close to hardware stuff
idk it might just be that im not close enough
ionic helm
rust is excelent though
ionic helm
idk it might just be that im not close enough
it is close
but its much more abstracted than C
ionic helm
with C and a bit of computer knowledge, you can guess pretty much the instruction emmited by the compiler
(until optimizations kicks in, ofc)
heavy haven
nice
ionic helm
you want to get into userspace quick?
heavy haven
thats my syscalls
heavy haven
you want to get into userspace quick?
i already got into userspace tho
heavy haven
thats my syscalls
although i should probably delete print and replace it with write to stdout
ionic helm
i see
ionic helm
thats my syscalls
also hmm, this your own syscall table
ionic helm
i see
heavy haven
because i hate linux syscalls
heavy haven
whats a printk
ionic helm
i mean kernel log
heavy haven
the print syscall just simply does println!()
yup
i think i probably shouldent do that
ionic helm
(printk is printf in kernel - also the name of the linux print)
heavy haven
its my first syscall made
ionic helm
i think i probably shouldent do that
debug its fine
also
are you running busy box as init>
since usually, a kernel final purpose is to load whatever is init as the first userspace process, afaik
heavy haven
are you running busy box as init>
yea
btw is busybox like a collection of utilities
i dont actually
know
or just a big program that have utilities
heavy haven
ive heard that its really lightweight
so im gonna start with it
instead of the gnu shit
ionic helm
android uses it
oh nvm it was toybox
heavy haven
whats a toybox
ionic helm
whats a toybox
another (more modern) busybox
heavy haven
ah
ionic helm
thats my syscalls
just to clarification, allocatemem syscall is allocate user memory right?
or is it mmap-like?
ionic helm
beacuse i feel like the name mmap is too weird
wat?
man(2) mmap: mmap, munmap - map or unmap files or devices into memory
heavy haven
wait is there man pages for linux systemcalls?
heavy haven
who whould use these (i guess we are using it)
ionic helm
who whould use these (i guess we are using it)
wdym by that 🙏
it literally contains the function signature for basically anything you use
heavy haven
yea
but i mainly just ask AI for these systemcall stuff
or search online
i dont really use manpages
ionic helm
you are not googling for everything
heavy haven
ig
heavy haven
btw my os current ahve absolutely zero error handling
if a program does like literally anything remotely wrong the kernel will just panic
lmao
theres just .unwrap() everywhere
ionic helm
🙏
heavy haven
nicee
meager atlas
why do poeple like C then
i like it because its surprisingly simple
you have variables and functions and then the rest are some form of simple spin on those
structs just have a few variables in them, pointers are variables with memory addresses, etc
ionic helm
there is basically no abstractions in C
we will see about that
meager atlas
there is basically no abstractions in C
bruhb
kids these days
want 13 layers of classes and objects fighting with each other on which one can eat the most ram on your pc
heavy haven
well we live in 2025
not 2000 where you have to make the code like 10 times unreadable for a 0.01% proformance increase
plus rust dont even have this much proformance overhead
meager atlas
not 2000 where you have to make the code like 10 times unreadable for a 0.01% pr...
computers are fast enough already
whatever performance optimizations you can make im certain you can read it if its on a modern machine
heavy haven
tbh i feel like C codes are like very unreadable
maybe im just too used to having objects traits OOP and other bs
meager atlas
skill issue 
heavy haven
true
meager atlas
maybe im just too used to having objects traits OOP and other bs
probably
idk c is my first actual programming language
before that i programmed in scratch 
heavy haven
same lmao
well after scratch i learned python
(back when im like 9)
and then when im 12 i learn a actrual programming languedge (java)
by writing minecraft hacked clients and plugins
meager atlas
i thought python was utterly unreadable and somehow found c more understandable idk
i can run calculator programs with it anyway
meager atlas
python sucks balls
meager atlas
i guess so
idk i should consider learning about c++
i know that namespaces exist and are kinda cool
and classes
or whatever theyre called
the ones that have a function ran at creation and a function ran at their destruction
heavy haven
constructers and destructors
btw my first ever project in rust is this operating system
ive never written normal rust before lmao
well ive written a todo list that doesnt work (i spent like 3 hours on it)
meager atlas
i wrote calculator programs before i went into osdev
after going insane with rewrites i ended up on powerpc
heavy haven
and then i just instantly jumped to osedving becuase i found a tutorial on it thats actually good
heavy haven
after going insane with rewrites i ended up on powerpc
lmao
i havent really writteen anything before
heavy haven
and i feel like i probably wont
meager atlas
and then i just instantly jumped to osedving becuase i found a tutorial on it th...
tutorials are all evil but whatever fair enough
theyre good enough for beginners to get started
heavy haven
ive had enough of technical debts when im writing minecraft plugins so im very careful with writing os
heavy haven
theyre good enough for beginners to get started
yup
meager atlas
ive had enough of technical debts when im writing minecraft plugins so im very c...
i had to finish understanding how pointers actually work (it took like a minute )
heavy haven
tbh pointers are straight forward
meager atlas
true
heavy haven
what isnt straight forward is what pointer is used for
it took me like a month or something to find out its actually used for refrence and stuff
and thats why when i change argumetns passed in a function it also changes the original value in java
meager atlas
what isnt straight forward is what pointer is used for
idk i just say you can pull values out of memory from the address in the pointers
heavy haven
wow
meager atlas
thats literally it
meager atlas
idk i just say you can pull values out of memory from the address in the pointer...
except explaining how they are also arrays is a bit questionable
meager atlas
i mean struct pointers just point at a struct in a location of memory
heavy haven
idk
meager atlas
i also doesnt really know how arrays work
its a sequence of values, idk its like a list on scratch i guess
heavy haven
isnt it straight foward
meager atlas
yes
its straight up a list
you can have an array of everything
idk array of pointers pointing to pointers
void******************************** is technically valid
meager atlas
`void********************************` is technically valid
its a pointer to a pointer that has one less stars
and thats a pointer to a pointer that has one less stars
heavy haven
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
meager atlas
&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*
no thats not valid anymore
heavy haven
&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*
meager atlas
meager atlas
having no abstarctions feels weird tho
idk it felt weird after using scratch now i understand i guess
actual memory access was the weirdest part
heavy haven
like having to allocate memory for an array is like really weird, its almost like your basically just coding in assembly
meager atlas
malloc() moment
kids these days with their new operators
if i ever use c++ i swear i might just use malloc instead of whatever it has
normal pebble
not 2000 where you have to make the code like 10 times unreadable for a 0.01% pr...
prefetch improved my bitmap allocator's performance by ~75%
normal pebble
if i ever use c++ i swear i might just use malloc instead of whatever it has
new is convenient, that's it
It's basically a malloc wrapper
so instead of defining a single malloc function, you need to definition 10-15 new hooks and their associated delete hooks
meager atlas
fair
normal pebble
Though for osdev, new is like a live grenade, you never know which new definition will be picked up by the compiler
for example, if you've aligned attribute, then new Foo could just call void* operator new(size_t size, align_val_t align)
ionic helm
`prefetch` improved my bitmap allocator's performance by ~75%
insane
still bitmap tho? 🥀
the hell you mean itrd 😭
[6] [ 0.841981] [aerosync::fs::initrd] Loading initramfs from /module/initrd.cpio
[3] [ 0.954513] [aerosync::fs::initrd] invalid magic expected 070701 got itrd
[6] [ 0.842256] [aerosync::fs::initrd] Unpacking complete.
....
[3] [ 1.215831] [aerosync::core] failed to execute /resources/binaries/init. (-ENOENT)
currently analyzing nt 4.0 source leak
ionic helm
hmm
Page Coloring (MiRemovePageByColor) seems interesting
just found it in the leak
ionic helm
finally decided to make my own discord server https://discord.gg/vejHqQm3x
ionic helm
bump
ruby arrow
nice
ionic helm
bump
ionic helm
this probably cause massive cache line splittings
normal pebble
this probably cause massive cache line splittings
What are you storing in struct page?
Mine's just 8 bytes
dusky reef
bros struct page is bigger than linuxes
ionic helm
bros struct page is bigger than linuxes
yeah 🥀
at least now its down to 64 bytes
struct page {
unsigned long flags;
union {
struct list_head lru;
struct {
void *mapping;
unsigned long index;
};
struct {
struct page *head;
unsigned long _compound_pad;
};
struct {
struct kmem_cache *slab_cache;
void *freelist;
};
};
union {
struct {
uint16_t order;
uint16_t migratetype;
uint16_t node;
uint16_t zone;
};
uint64_t _metadata;
};
atomic_t _refcount;
uint32_t _mapcount;
struct resdomain *rd;
union {
spinlock_t ptl
struct {
uint16_t inuse;
uint16_t objects;
uint16_t frozen;
uint16_t _slab_pad;
};
};
unsigned long _filler[1];
};
and for folios:
struct folio {
union {
struct {
unsigned long flags;
union {
struct list_head lru;
};
void *mapping;
unsigned long index;
/* Overlays struct page's metadata/refcount region */
void *private;
uint16_t order;
uint16_t migratetype;
uint16_t node;
uint16_t zone;
atomic_t _refcount;
uint32_t _mapcount;
};
struct page page;
};
};
[0] [ 0.984540] [aerosync::core::panic] Reason: list_del corruption.
next->prev should be ffff9e933b6b1838, but was ffff9e933b6b1837.
(next=ffff9e933b6b1880)
literally off by 1
normal pebble
I wonder why
ionic helm
am i tweakin 🥀
normal pebble
am i tweakin 🥀
Bros about to break the world record for the largest struct page size
ionic helm
Bros about to break the world record for the largest struct page size
(its just __aligned(64))
normal pebble
you should try [[gnu::aligned(512)]]
ionic helm
you should try `[[gnu::aligned(512)]]`
512?
ionic helm
you should try `[[gnu::aligned(512)]]`
plus, thats the new c23 syntax right?
normal pebble
plus, thats the new c23 syntax right?
C borrowed it from C++ T-T
attribute lists are goated tbh
ionic helm
C borrowed it from C++ T-T
yeah
ionic helm
attribute lists are goated tbh
more readable than the normal __attribute__
normal pebble
I hope [[likely]] and [[unlikely]] are also added to C standard
runic galeBOT
normal pebble
<https://osdev.wiki/wiki/Likely?action=edit&redlink=1>
<https://osdev.wiki/wiki/...
Well that's new
ionic helm
I hope [[likely]] and [[unlikely]] are also added to C standard
one day
moreover, i literally just knew that asm is a gnu extension
and its not ISO C 😭
yeah
ionic helm
C Standard doesn't define inline assembly
whar??
ionic helm
so its implementation-defined?
normal pebble
Only clang, and IBM compilers supports __asm__, asm, and __asm
GCC uses the first two
while MSVC supports the latter
ionic helm
Only clang, and IBM compilers supports `__asm__`, `asm`, and `__asm`
openxl mentioned!
ionic helm
while MSVC supports the latter
classic
though i think it depends on the -std= flag
since if you do -std=c23 and use asm, clang will cry
normal pebble
since if you do `-std=c23` and use asm, clang will cry
Becuase asm is a gnu extension
ionic helm
Becuase `asm` is a gnu extension
it is
normal pebble
not to mention, c26 (maybe) release this year
C23 was published in 2024
ionic helm
C23 was published in 2024
also, do you think RAII in c is a good thing (to have)?
e.g. defer
normal pebble
As long as it's explicit
ionic helm
not strictly like C++ class deconstructors tho
ionic helm
As long as it's explicit
yes
normal pebble
Like no automated destructor calls
That was the reason why I switched from C++ to C
ionic helm
That was the reason why I switched from C++ to C
same
but just learning rust recently
heavy haven
use rust and theres no memory leak D:
ionic helm
oh, nice
i got it
struct page is finally down to 64B
also, new update: all alignas() in the kernel will be replaced (once again) with __aligned(x)
@normal pebble for some reason, alignof(x) fails when using alignas(x)
normal pebble
<@1413160771545727118> for some reason, `alignof(x)` fails when using `alignas(x...
How?
ionic helm
How?
🙏
also the alignas keyword placement is also different on clang 18 and clang 19+
so a clang 18 c23 code cannot be compiled on clang 19+ and vice versa
lmao
ionic helm
so a clang 18 c23 code cannot be compiled on clang 19+ and vice versa
discovered this by accident when trying mint for the fist time
which uses an older toolchain
normal pebble
That's weird
ionic helm
That's weird
very
normal pebble
Btw Use [[gnu::aligned()]] for structs
normal pebble
alignas for members and attribute aligned for structs
heavy haven
when do you think you would start trying to run usermode programs btw
ionic helm
when do you think you would start trying to run usermode programs btw
not now
i dont rush to do userspace
ionic helm
trying to work on it rn
ionic helm
capellix day one feature is now on aerosync (jst after a slight 4 months)
dusky reef
you have kcompactd and even same-page-merging demons?
thats like revolutionary linux tech
ionic helm
you have kcompactd and even same-page-merging demons?
basically
dusky reef
u sure about that?
ionic helm
thats like revolutionary linux tech
really?
ionic helm
u sure about that?
not sure that it is 100% correct
dusky reef
i mean yeah, compacting and same page merging requires being able to steal pages from live processes and replacing them with different ones
if u do that thats cool
ionic helm
i mean yeah, compacting and same page merging requires being able to steal pages...
not as much as this i think
dusky reef
is this ai written btw
ionic helm
is this ai written btw
yeah...
dusky reef
ah
dusky reef
how much of the kernel in general is ai generated?
ionic helm
how much of the kernel in general is ai generated?
loc-wise, prob about 10-15% iirc
dusky reef
hm
ionic helm
am i getting canceled 😭
dusky reef
its just that the kernel looks like linux and even copies the bogus name conventions in some places
but idc, just asking
ionic helm
its just that the kernel looks like linux and even copies the bogus name convent...
it is (trying to be) a linux clone actually
dusky reef
i can see that
ionic helm
its just that the kernel looks like linux and even copies the bogus name convent...
so the naming convention is not like linux, it is 100% from linux (ported), apart from the kernel's own source
but its similar after all (just inconsistent)
dusky reef
u use gpl2 so its whatever, but still funny
ionic helm
u use gpl2 so its whatever, but still funny
what is funny?
dusky reef
like if u showed me the code id just say that its linux
i know these parts of the mm quite well
ionic helm
like if u showed me the code id just say that its linux
oh i see
ionic helm
i know these parts of the mm quite well
very nice
anyways, ported an internal pit driver mainly for very early boot timestamp (tsc calibration) before any timer extension under FKX_TIMER_CLASS is loaded
it is also not managed by sysintf/time
ionic helm
adding DRM support
renamed linearfb to simpledrm
linearfb is officially dead
FKX_{PRINTK,PANIC}_CLASS will be deprecated
ionic helm
very cool
added linux fonts
i just want to have a solaris look
though after that, i decided to stick with default
as of now, you can use the font= key in cmdline to specify your font of choice
ionic helm
maybe FKX modules are comming to an end...
ionic helm
ok
FKX is comming to and end
FKX extensions will be deprecated in the context of AeroSync r0c4
ic, timer, pci, pty and vtd will be builtin in-to the kernel
sysintf is still there for managing the subsystems
and using __initcall for the new builtin drivers
drivers likw fw, ide, and uart will be now become ASRX dynamic modules
(AeroSync Runtime eXtension)
FKX variant that supports unloading and hot-plug (supposedly)
ionic helm
what did i do?
heavy haven
when are you gonna start porting userspace programs?
ionic helm
when are you gonna start porting userspace programs?
id say r0c7-r0c9
so i can get it before tghe fist full release
heavy haven
whats a r0c7
ionic helm
whats a r0c7
currently r0c4-5.4.9
dusky reef
why do u need such an overcomplicated version number
https://semver.org/ this is not enough for your project?
ionic helm
why do u need such an overcomplicated version number
i was very expecting people to ask this question
though, i cant really explain how it reall works
generally, its just rXcY
for the average user
and the rest is progress tracking
maybe rXcY itself is a kind of semver
ionic helm
https://semver.org/ this is not enough for your project?
its not really that semver isnt enough, looking back to the scheme
<EPOCH>.<FEATURE>.<PATCH>
is basically semver
so i basically got 2 versioning in one string
dusky reef
ionic helm
like how windows 11 is windows 11, but windows 11 22h2 is not windows 11 24h2
ionic helm
<:floshed:683006443984519345>
*im genuinely have no idea what im doing 👍
heavy haven
currently r0c4-5.4.9
wtf is that versioning
ionic helm
wtf is that versioning
my versioning
ionic helm
just do normal versioning bro 💀
the first half i told you
is what you need to mean
and the rest is internal use
release 0 candidate 4
ionic helm
what does it have to do wtih linux
linux uses the release candidate (RC) scheme
ionic helm
for example, 6.19 is mainline, stable
ionic helm
but 6.19-rc1 is the first "beta" version of 6.19
ionic helm
normal versioning
thats semver
heavy haven
they should probaly call it like 6.19.0.1
this thing is way too confusing
v11 4.5.1.0-r1c5 build 623612 52h1
ionic helm
this thing is way too confusing
a normal user would not know its a veta ver
heavy haven
least confusing version method
ionic helm
least confusing version method
depends...
personally i prefer my way
simple for users
evne furthermore, people can just refer it as AeroSync rX, or AeroSync X
@heavy haven this is the full string btw 🥀 [6] [ 1.221847] [aerosync::core] AeroSync (R) r0c4.hardened - 5.4.9-Integration+branch.r0c3-4.3.7-30-gdeceefd-dirty.dev+abi.0 - Clang 21.1.8 (Fedora 21.1.8-4.fc43)
heavy haven
bro im calling the police
heavy haven
whats a initcall
and btw how many programs do you think you can run
if you start wokring on userspace rn
ionic helm
git describe --tags --always --dirty will be as deceefd-dirty
ionic helm
whats a initcall
basically starting stuff in a correct way (and ofc linux-inspired)
heavy haven
are you doing linux bin compat btw
ionic helm
are you doing linux bin compat btw
yeah, even down to how the kernel itself parses the ELF
(using binprm)
heavy haven
yea you can probably run like
ionic helm
yeah, even down to how the kernel itself parses the ELF
supposedly
heavy haven
kdeplasma rn
considering the fishix guy only have 15k lines of code and you have 60k
ionic helm
kdeplasma rn
lmao no
ionic helm
considering the fishix guy only have 15k lines of code and you have 60k
*130K
heavy haven
with deps lol
ionic helm
with deps lol
w/o its only 40K 🥀
heavy haven
lol
ionic helm
*external headers excluded
heavy haven
so uh what program do you think you cna run
if you just start working on userspace rn
ionic helm
so uh what program do you think you cna run
currently none
i abandoned the thing for so long
*note that the loader is broken not the scheduler is broken
ionic helm
well do you think you can run like gnu coreutils in 1 week
if i started to fix it now?
probably 2 weeks but yeah
heavy haven
yea
ionic helm
doable
ionic helm
what abt xorg
not sure but if it have raw fb support then fine
i also doesnt have SHM, IPC, sockets
so yeah
heavy haven
ohh
ionic helm
i have /programs /misc lol
thats /resources in my case
heavy haven
how hard do you think getting the other programs to use your fhs system can be?
i feel like its gonna be pretty hard
ionic helm
i feel like its gonna be pretty hard
unless you have symlinks
ionic helm
one fun fact
C:\Windows\System32 existed just becasuse microslop must not and will never break compat
heavy haven
microslop moment lol
ionic helm
System32 contains 64 bit, SysWOW64 comtains 32 bit
ionic helm
and System itself is 16 bit
heavy haven
💀
ionic helm
*mostly
moreover
iirc in windows 2000
microslop actually but sol.exe and cards.dll in System32
basically the solitare game
heavy haven
lol
ionic helm
becasue it was tehre to demo the drag and drop feature
heavy haven
putting games inside kernel
ionic helm
so they think its a "core" component inside the os
heavy haven
btw i knew a friend who put the shell, lua, and a entire DE inside the kenrel
and the kernel is ring 0 only D:
heavy haven
and it cant load elf
ionic helm
and it cant load elf
at least mine can load macho, aout, pe32+ and elf
heavy haven
is pe32+ the .exe format?