(old termOS post, please close this)

[shy ice]

is that a shell

[cedar bone]

he deleted the thread and remade it a 3rd time already

yes

its a shell

[knotty shoal]

if it's a shell, show me where bash mounts /proc upon booting 🔥
i rest my case, @shy ice and @cedar bone

[shy ice]

don't ping me here

[knotty shoal]

oh ok 👍
point still holds tho <3

[shy ice]

stop

[meager peak]

Wat

Bro is terrified of pings

[merry lynx]

I swear it’s just a shell

with hardcoded commands

and you are pushing all binaries in the repo 😭

[tawny geyser]

.gitignore

[knotty shoal]

shells often expect an OS to be there.
shells don't run as PID 1.
this does run as PID 1. not ❌ a shell.

[knotty shoal]

yea the commands are hardcoded, as usual for any program that accepts input 💀

[merry lynx]

ok so it’s an architecturally wrong init system which would crash the whole system over an exception

got it

doesn’t make it any better

[knotty shoal]

yea sure
as long as it's not "just a shell" idc

[knotty shoal]

guess it doesn't

[lunar olive]

Running a shell as PID1 is pretty common for hobby OSes when you don't have a init system

Bash can even manage login afaik

lmao it's not even a shell it's using system 🤡

[knotty shoal]

so um is that support for me lol

[lunar olive]

No it's not

system() calls another shell

[knotty shoal]

hold on lemme update it

(the repo)

done (actually) 👍

[knotty shoal]

btw check the repo now.
then gimme criticism (if any)

[lunar olive]

It still uses system 🤦‍♂️

[knotty shoal]

ok
where/why would that be a problem?
if u mean the system("clear"); in main.c i can just use an ANSI escape code

[cedar bone]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-26155047

[knotty shoal]

accurate but
check repo 👍 it's not a shell 🔥

[cedar bone]

does msdos mount proc?

[knotty shoal]

actually, that's a perfect example of what im making! :D
no it doesn't coz it's a whole different type of system.

[cedar bone]

if msdos' command prompt is considered a "shell", is this not a shell either?

[knotty shoal]

wait... 🤔
ok sure it's a shell. only a shell so that u can access everything else that termOS has to offer.
termOS is not ONLY a shell, you just enter into termOS's shell 👍

[cedar bone]

operating systemn't

[knotty shoal]

wanna make games for termOS?
if u need color then u have putsc(text, r, g, b) available
(if u know C which im sure u do)

text Linux distro - termOS

[polar crescent]

oh great

assuming the person building this is 1. running linux 2. has a kernel that is named vmlinuz-$(uname -r) (not always the case), 3 wants to install your os on their computer

no qemu or anything?

no iso

just installs itself into the pc

oh and assumes the user has a hdmi monitor

[knotty shoal]

well that video= argument changes absolutely nothing 👍 i should remove it
edit: removed it, assumption 4 (hdmi monitor) can be removed

[polar crescent]

oh that's just great

[knotty shoal]

what other names for the kernel could there be? /srs

[polar crescent]

im not good at naming things

[knotty shoal]

assumption 2 should be removed after i publish a change to install.sh

ok pushed

[knotty shoal]

assumption 2 (and prolly 3) removed.
now the only requirement = uses linux in some form (e.g. dualbooting, vm, ...)

[polar crescent]

which shouldn't be a requirement when virtual machines exist and you can bring your own kernel binary

[charred wigeon]

Shouldn’t a Linux distribution be packing its own kernel build and or have a way to compile it?

Like a script that downloads the kernel package and puts the config file and builds it

[polar crescent]

that also works

instead of assuming it can use mine

what if my kernel was compiled without something that that is needed?

[charred wigeon]

Plus having a packaging system and a package manager makes it a proper distribution

[knotty shoal]

i still have that option available

i actually made my own package manager (with github api)
before even starting to make termOS

[knotty shoal]

it's really just a simple "install this package inside a github repo with a token" thing if that's enough

[charred wigeon]

No like a package manager like apt

[knotty shoal]

what would that need?

[charred wigeon]

A command that lets you download programs and update them

To like update your kernel

[knotty shoal]

oh yeah i have that
just not for stuff like kernels...

[charred wigeon]

I don’t see that in your repo?

[knotty shoal]

coz the personal access token would just get locked up if the manager was in the repo
i need that token to access files from the private repo
or i can just make the repo public

[charred wigeon]

Why is your package manager tied to GitHub like that

And why is it a private repo

[knotty shoal]

the packages repo itself is private (not anymore)
so u can download the packages outside of termOS use

[charred wigeon]

Shouldn’t they be used with “termOS”?

[knotty shoal]

they should but im sure they could be useful to someone else

when i finally get pull requests ;-;

cpacs functionality added to termOS!

[lunar olive]

system calls the system shell

[knotty shoal]

yea that's ok

[lunar olive]

then whats the point

its just a glorified shell script

[knotty shoal]

it's a different desktop environment.
that's the point. it has its own package manager dude
it's just a distro that uses some available shell
i will eventually remove system() calls and replace them, dont worry. im just not ready for that yet.

[lunar olive]

lol

[knotty shoal]

actually im gonna package the kernel why not
~100 MB for vmlinuz + initrd? jackpot

[knotty shoal]

update: all u need now is to sudo bash ./install.sh in termOS folder and EVERYTHING is set up for you 👍

[merry lynx]

I wish I could make a sticker of this entire thread

[charred wigeon]

I can atleast turn it into a very long long long reaction image

[merry lynx]

unsigned long long

[charred wigeon]

Why is it so large? This is larger than many Linux distribution

Well almost as large

[knotty shoal]

idk i just grabbed it straight from LM Cinnamon's /boot/ folder
and it works so i wont argue 👍

alpine linux sounds neat

[meager peak]

8MB? thats scary

I want 4KiB

[knotty shoal]

termOS uses 4KiB or less RAM (i think)

"oh no i have 1GB of disk for whatever reason"
termOS: 🗿
Alpine Linux: 🗿

[cedar bone]

disk

[knotty shoal]

yea
storage. HDD, SSD, wtv

update: if you have a free ext4 partition on your disk (ex. converted Windows leftovers),
then termOS can (and should) be and work on that partition!

[charred wigeon]

linux uses much more than this idle

[charred wigeon]

windows uses NTFS?

[knotty shoal]

D:

[knotty shoal]

that's why i said converted Windows leftovers

[charred wigeon]

i dont think its really safe to convert from NTFS -> ext4

[knotty shoal]

mkfs.ext4?

worked for me and now i have 337.6GB free for various shenanigans
completely disconnected from Mint so that i cant fuck up

[charred wigeon]

thats not converting it thats reformatting it

you can apply that to any parition not just windows

[knotty shoal]

mb wrong terminology 😅
lemme upload new termOS to repo 👍

[polar crescent]

ok but can termos run a web browser?

[knotty shoal]

it's a text distro.
prolly not but i COULD try

[charred wigeon]

shouldnt be hard if you get an X server running + enabling i915 and amdgpu/radeon in the kernel

[polar crescent]

well considering they don't build the kernel from source :P

[charred wigeon]

@knotty shoal sorry if it seems im being rude i can just be a lil blunt somtimes with this stuff but i so hope you learn alot from your stuff

[charred wigeon]

yeah it should have it

[polar crescent]

that's the problem tho

they should be

[knotty shoal]

no dw :)
i <3 straight to the point ppl

[polar crescent]

a linux distro isn't just some precomipled kernel + binaries

[charred wigeon]

oh no yeah they should

[polar crescent]

you stole someone elses distro

clone linux, pin it to a version of the kernel or rolling release it

and config it and post that somewhere

100% more useable

[charred wigeon]

atleast bundle a kernel you compiled and configured

• your own initramfs

[polar crescent]

this also works

[charred wigeon]

busybox is a good start

[polar crescent]

or build gnu core utils

[charred wigeon]

[knotty shoal]

i dont think that's of much importance
if you can install it into your own ext4 partition, and follow Partition Install (part_install.sh)
that would basically act independently from anything else

[polar crescent]

ok but that's besides the point?

what if the user wants to use a filesystem that isn't mainlined into the kernel and enable

[knotty shoal]

..wha

[polar crescent]

also I told you this before

please make it build an iso

nobody wants to make a new part and boot on real hardware to test your distro

nobody does that even for already established distros

it also makes testing 100x easier

[charred wigeon]

what if sombody wants ZFS for example

[polar crescent]

or bcachefs

or anything not enabled by the kernel config

or anything not mainlined into the kernel

currently it's unusable because you don't provide anything to build the initramfs needed for that

[charred wigeon]

and it would be nice to have a package manager to select software to install and uninstall and update

can make it easy if its rolling release too

[polar crescent]

this also isn't osdev

[knotty shoal]

there's an option (default option) to just run inside an existing partition (install.sh)

[polar crescent]

ok but if you just provided an iso

we wouldn't need an install.sh

and to install the os to test it

[knotty shoal]

also main thing:
when i finally even get to a phase where i could even THINK about doing this
maybe i would.

for now im keeping Mint's kernel,
im keeping the install.sh files,
so that i can just have fun making my own distro, even if someone doesn't approve of it.
thank you for the criticism and ideas, but i just dont wanna do all this yet. ok?

[charred wigeon]

Compiling the kernel isn’t so hard

Nor is making an ISO image

[knotty shoal]

i cant even find Support for init= in General setup lmao 😭
im looking in the configs 😋

[charred wigeon]

thats a command line argument set by the bootloader

and its default is fine

its set to somthin like /sbin/init /sbin/sh /bin/init /bin/sh

and it has an order

[tawny geyser]

it's just a shell terminal 🥀

[knotty shoal]

❌
its main interface is a shell.
yet it still is a distro.

i love breaking my disk volumes because i sudo cp to the /dev/nvme0n1p3
this time i got "258,4 PB used" and "0 bytes free" (i have a 362 GB volume that i broke)

[meager peak]

Just make a real distro
But it’s stuck in like a shitty text editor

No not vim

Just text editor

Nothing special

[knotty shoal]

wait wdym by "real"

[meager peak]

Linux distro

an actual operating system

a bootable one

[knotty shoal]

mine is bootable, u just sudo bash install.sh and it just adds a grub entry which u can boot to 👍
edit: now it adds its own block device, taking up 1GB of space :3

[polar crescent]

Usable*

[knotty shoal]

yea termOS isn't much usable rn
it's very indev

[knotty shoal]

if u want it to be usable faster, then literally just contribute to the repo
add a new program proposal or wtv

im still handling the whole "just make sure it doesnt crash" and "make it more independent without any complex things like making a new partition" things

[knotty shoal]

done!
install the entire repo into one folder, run install.sh as sudo, and reboot.
it works and it should boot

[meager peak]

This is such a smart way to make a distro

and such a lazy way as well

I love it

[knotty shoal]

haha yes
the way i made the distro (according to you) is my personality:
lazy and smart

[knotty shoal]

thanks btw ;)

[knotty shoal]

ur literally the first comment of actual approval :D (surprisingly..)

[meager peak]

thats why I am mekebabman

[knotty shoal]

mods can u pls close this post i changed it to an x86 ASM OS
off goes the distro

(old termOS post, please close this)