EvalynOS

[hazy saddle]

This isn’t going into any system that would need PAE anyways

[hazy saddle]

good progress is being made

@hollow crater

[hazy saddle]

I may want to make the modules print out on a table like the memory map actually

[clear bison]

GDT INIT [BAD]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

[hazy saddle]

I had that at one point

[hollow crater]

crazy
do u decollide the mmap entries o_O

[hazy saddle]

I have functions that punch holes into the memory map

So I take the MB2 one

Put it into my format

And then I punch out all reserved regions

And then I sort it

Using bubble sort

Which for this is fine because it’s pretty much already sorted

[hollow crater]

o thats actually a nice way to do it
i just sort the reserved and make sure they dont collide with the usable ones

[shadow canopy]

this is cool

[hollow crater]

agree

[clear bison]

https://tenor.com/view/lapiscel-horse-funny-quiz-gif-15349069977875529804

[hazy saddle]

And since I know what I punched out

[hollow crater]

:O

[hazy saddle]

Il give seperate maps for reserved and reclaimable regions

So it’s even easier to parse

As you don’t need to seperate those things

[hollow crater]

noice
do u scrap ur prekernel memory after its no longer needed

[hazy saddle]

That’s the job of the kernel

To reclaim such memory

[hollow crater]

aha

[hazy saddle]

I will however be fine grainy be marking it as reserved

So say the kernels initial stack

Will be a seperate region

Same for initial page tables + your kernels program memory

All that will be parseable

For PMM I will find the largest region and chunk off enough for a maxed out paging table

That has everything mapped

And then the rest is for the elf loaders stuff

[hollow crater]

o
i use the mb2 header as an initial stack

[hazy saddle]

[hollow crater]

n o i c e

[hazy saddle]

This protocol is gonna be amazing

You will be passed a pointer to a 4kb page

And that one page is a data structure with all data you need

[hollow crater]

i mean it werks
it just uses it until i bump alloc THE stack yk
then i just throw the whole thing away :P

[hollow crater]

cool shit

[hazy saddle]

This works because i limit things like modules

So they can be fixed in place

Though

The memory map

Will have to be a pointer

[hazy saddle]

@hollow crater

🔥

 ✘ evalyn@EvalynPC  ~/Documents/Programming/mb2lmstb   main  cloc ./stage32/src 
      34 text files.
      34 unique files.                              
       0 files ignored.

github.com/AlDanial/cloc v 2.08  T=0.01 s (2923.0 files/s, 83047.0 lines/s)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Language                     files          blank        comment           code
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
C                               15             96             13            488
C/C++ Header                    15             45              3            209
Assembly                         4             16              0             96
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUM:                            34            157             16            793
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

god this thing is huge

😭

its almost as if

im making a kernel

just to load another kernel

[clear bison]

GRUB and UEFI core

[rancid viper]

fix it

[hazy saddle]

Just have to finish the elf loader & generate the entry payload and we are done

[mortal bane]

why your bootloader* always faulting in the end 😭

[hazy saddle]

It’s the bootloader middle thingy

And it’s because there is nothing to do

So I call panic to make it hang

[mortal bane]

just do

for (;;)
{
  __asm__("hlt");
}

[hazy saddle]

I have that too

But the panic is cooler

And I worked hard on it

[mortal bane]

[hazy saddle]

More colors on screen

[mortal bane]

that's one suicidal bootloader ngl

[hazy saddle]

It also panics if it can’t get a frame buffer

@mortal bane but this thing is pretty cool

And should make i686 shit way easier for people

It’s also public domain

[mortal bane]

cool

[hazy saddle]

okay so this protocol will support 64bit

later though

Since I will also have protocol conversion layers I will have 4 different tags you can give to modules

That will tell the loader how to treat them

And all other modules will be passed transparently to the loaded stage

KRNL32 means it’s a direct kernel using the 32bit variant of the protocol

KRNL64 is the same but for ya know

BCNVRT32 is a bootloader protocol converter that wishes to be loaded in 32 bit mode

And BCNVRT64 is the same yada yada

[hazy saddle]

UACPI port

Is uhhhhh

Not going well

😭

CC: @cyan bison for screenshot

[cyan bison]

didnt screensho tit

[hazy saddle]

or whatever

:p

[cyan bison]

it was because i was running tcg

[hazy saddle]

oh

[cyan bison]

and didnt know it

[hazy saddle]

whats the real score

faster than OBOS?

[cyan bison]

no

[hazy saddle]

damn

[cyan bison]

i snuck in some slow code in the ported version of the allocator so u guys could never surpass me

jk ofc

[hazy saddle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1467543690200219659/1473497370359762985/IMG_2998.gif

[cyan bison]

nice try

that doesnt affect me at all

[hazy saddle]

damn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165799772700033085/1358681934221541438/caption.gif

how about this

or somthing

i have other sandwitches

[cyan bison]

2.3m ops/s

[cyan bison]

im fasting this doesnt affect me at all

[hazy saddle]

can you gimme iso

[hazy saddle]

FUCK

[cyan bison]

idk maybe

[hazy saddle]

im gonna test on hardware

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-ksi-thick-of-it-mods-discord-mod-gif-2830572923502966674

[cyan bison]

i added them to obos as well

before that

never noticed the slowdown

[hazy saddle]

[cyan bison]

check gc

[hazy saddle]

:3

[hazy saddle]

https://git.evalyngoemer.com/evalynOS/bmb2

It’s done

It’s over

Now I have to fucking integrate this into priem

Also @cyan bison don’t forget m68k port

[wanton grove]

when thread rename

[hazy saddle]

Once i686 port is done

And the codebase gets cleaned up

[cyan bison]

:slongesab:

[mild glacier]

no nitro 😢

[cyan bison]

im never giving my money to big corpo

[wanton grove]

are you hippie

[cyan bison]

no i am oberrow

[hazy saddle]

EvalynOS is back!!!!

and thread safe

[wanton grove]

is thread safe is real ???

[wanton grove]

so when evalynos smp

[mild glacier]

it should be "the dragon girl" tbh but 🤣

[hazy saddle]

After bash

After bash

[hazy saddle]

well

the heap is still ass

so it "deadlocks"

but not on a lock

because it ran out of memory / it got fragmented

so i cant do this test 🥀

this one may work tho 🔥

[soft snow]

aint you moving away from kernel shell with the new os

[hazy saddle]

The other OS was stack corruption

Now that it’s fixed

[fiery tangle]

Damn cool

[hazy saddle]

I can come back here to work on crap

And then get my real VFS

And then fork()

And then bash

Because I rushed so much fucking shit 💀

I also need to put a heap rewrite in there or finish my port of the OBOS allocator

But I have other ideas for my heap that could be better/faster

[soft snow]

atleast it runs :D

[hazy saddle]

Exactly

And the kernel shell is just for debugging and tests

So I don’t have to hard code the sequences

Everything actually important happens in userspace

Btw @fiery tangle I think your pretty cool

How’s your projects been going

[fiery tangle]

Thanks :)

[fiery tangle]

Haven't rly been working on it the last few days cuz i am working on my nuclear reactor simulator

[hazy saddle]

Oooo :o

[fiery tangle]

:O

Discord should have en option to not turn ":D" into ":D"

okay what

":D"

bru

[hazy saddle]

You can change that

[fiery tangle]

discord is trolling me now

[hazy saddle]

It’s in settings

:D

[fiery tangle]

:D

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/ralsei-kris-kralsei-deltarune-cor-gif-8471865082048713347

[fiery tangle]

https://files.evalyngoemer.com/share/doobie.png

[hazy saddle]

I love ralsei emojis

[fiery tangle]

me too, I don't have Nitro tho xD

[mild glacier]

understandable

[hazy saddle]

Awe

[fiery tangle]

Orbs r nice tho

[mild glacier]

3 days of nitro go brrrr

[fiery tangle]

My avatar decoration rly matches well

Does this mean u need money for tech support?

[hazy saddle]

This is my avatar decoration on fedi

[hazy saddle]

Nah just been taking a break from helping random strangers

[fiery tangle]

Whats fedi?

[hazy saddle]

Do you know mastadon?

[fiery tangle]

oh like the fediverse?

yea

[hazy saddle]

Mastadon is part of the “fediverse” which is a decentralized social media

Yes

[fiery tangle]

i'm on mastodon

https://mastodon.social/@_xchgd

#[viktor] (@[email protected])

Talking into the void

Mastodon · Feb 11, 2026, 12:00 AM

[hazy saddle]

I post shitposts and somtimes OSdev updates there

https://booping.synth.download/notes/aitssyfwcqkn040f

Evalyn (@evalyn)

Uhhh that’s one way to go 💀

▶ Play video

boopkey! · Feb 17, 2026, 6:40 AM

[fiery tangle]

Ive never played botw

only totk

[hazy saddle]

It’s really fun

I prefer totk imo tho

Mainly because I can’t flurry rush worth a damn in BOTW but I could do it on almost every attack in TOTK

[fiery tangle]

[soft snow]

ooo botw

gives me nostalgia

[fiery tangle]

wth is this malformed emoji

[soft snow]

i grinded botw

got to 90% completed

the good ol days before osdev

[fiery tangle]

I am only 14 so idk if i can say god ol day but

...

2 sec

[soft snow]

Well I'm 14 too

My good old days are when I were 10

Or before 10

[fiery tangle]

Oh xD

[hazy saddle]

Oooooo

[fiery tangle]

I got a n2dsxl when i was 7

its right in front of me rn

xD

[hazy saddle]

I’m the age before 18 turning 18 in two months

[soft snow]

I got a Linux laptop with Dolphin when I was 6

[fiery tangle]

🔥

[hazy saddle]

I really hope this cold stops beating me down so I can commit the changes that fix the fucking crashes

[soft snow]

Lol

How cold is it for you rn?

[hazy saddle]

No I meaj

[soft snow]

Outside my cabin it's like -24 rn

[hazy saddle]

The cold

I’m sick

[soft snow]

Ahh

[hazy saddle]

It let off me just enough to fix the shit

[soft snow]

Just binge watch YouTube and you will be fineee

[hazy saddle]

I’d rather talk to cool people like you and @fiery tangle

[fiery tangle]

:D

[soft snow]

"cool people"

🙏

Internet degenerates.

[hazy saddle]

I wonder if I should share my internal dev server here

It’s been a bit dead recently but

It used to talk a lot about my kernel and other shit to not clog this channel up

[fiery tangle]

Well its easier to follow development here ig

[fiery tangle]

I think most peoples project-dedicated servers is that xD

[hazy saddle]

Yeah but for like debugging or just other misc stuff about the project / shitposting

I’m a frequent shitposter

[fiery tangle]

Pokemon :3

My childhood

well

i am still a child ig

but early childhood

[hazy saddle]

I was about to say that XD

Yeah

[fiery tangle]

tho

[hazy saddle]

I don’t remember much of my childhood tbh

Probably for the best though

[fiery tangle]

I found my old 2ds and pokemon cards yesterday

[hazy saddle]

Just bits and pieces of shit

[fiery tangle]

They r just laying on the floor rn

lemme send a pic

[hazy saddle]

What can your kernel do rn btw?

[fiery tangle]

uhh

nothing rly

[hazy saddle]

lol

Can I see the repo?

[fiery tangle]

https://github.com/orgs/projectzerodev/projects/1?query=sort%3Aupdated-desc+is%3Aopen

[hazy saddle]

Damn

[fiery tangle]

wth

oh

its private

now it should work

for how long have u been working on this btw?

great website xD

Also whats the <@&1466962950559498270> role?

[hazy saddle]

Because I was the first person to make a driver for FRED

[hazy saddle]

Ahh nice nice

[fiery tangle]

Whats FRED?

[hazy saddle]

An IDT for rich people

It’s only on really expensive brand new laptops

And only recently the bochs emulator

https://files.evalyngoemer.com/share/manuals/x86-64/fred9.pdf

Here is le manual

[fiery tangle]

Ah

[fiery tangle]

Ah. What laptop do u test it on?

[hazy saddle]

I used Intel SIMICS

Because I’m not rich

Which is a really fucking annoying emulator to use

But I used it to get my role

[fiery tangle]

ah

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

[fiery tangle]

fuck

wrong gif

💀

[hazy saddle]

💀

[fiery tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-davis-wobble-templeos-dance-ff5-gif-21949804

[floral kettle]

I mean idk if its really that annoying, I got it to boot my os without too much trouble (though I wanted to see what the xhci tracing was about but then when I tried to look into it apparently it doesn't even have xhci?)

[hazy saddle]

Its more so to figure it out rather than use it

Once you have the steps down it’s not bad

But it took me a bit to get it booting AND with FRED enabled

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-joe-joe-taken-away-gif-17520860855595872089

[fiery tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-davis-terry-davis-templeos-cia-gif-26840764

the i need to do nuclear reactor stuff

#575111534825439252

as it is for school

btw

for how long have u been working on this btw?

[hazy saddle]

You can check my git repo

And goto the first commit

https://git.evalyngoemer.com/evalynOS/evalynOS/commit/00421909b5ef629ed39a9108a0ca2b017fc4dfba @fiery tangle

[fiery tangle]

Wow thats a lot of progress in 7 months 🤩

[hazy saddle]

Btw my git server is open if you wish to use it :3

[fiery tangle]

i might not but cool :3

[fiery tangle]

Now I am imagining this :3

[hazy saddle]

:3

[fiery tangle]

:3

ohhhhh

u play deltarune :D

[hazy saddle]

Of course

https://tenor.com/view/noelle-sad-spongebob-sad-spongebob-crying-noelle-crying-gif-23355068

[fiery tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ralsei-deltarune-gun-gif-12553048081852351860

[echo cloud]

wait really??

how do i set it up

:3

[hazy saddle]

Just make an account

[echo cloud]

ive never used that emoticon in my life but i feel like it was appropriate

[hazy saddle]

Email should work and everything

[echo cloud]

can u send link?

i friended u btw

[hazy saddle]

Here lmfao

[echo cloud]

shit mb

[hazy saddle]

Just follow ze rules

[echo cloud]

okay, so i just make an account?

5gb limit is plenty

my kernel isnt even 20k

[hazy saddle]

Yes yes

Just don’t do anything stupid there and your good lol

[echo cloud]

i made my acc

i wont do anything stupid

ill be very respectful 🤗

@hazy saddle how do i commit to the repo

do i just do a git commit and it will automatically clone the commit from the github repo?

[hazy saddle]

You need to add your ssh public keys and stuff

Like GitHub to do pushing

But you have to make a repo and add the server as a remote

And then do a git push

[echo cloud]

my brain

cannot

ill figure it out lol

imma first update the repo on github though

because its a few weeks behind

[hazy saddle]

https://fluxer.gg/0T3VOErP

while fluxer is shitting its self

ive made a project thread on fluxer

i literaly cannot post about it there

because its brtoken

unless it just sent it like 20 fucking times

which i hope it did not

here we go

@gilded fjord i saw you typing on fluxer. the platform is on its knees and i can barely send or recive messages there

but i do wana be on the list

[hazy saddle]

& just got the message part way typing that

[gilded fjord]

sure thing! ^^

[hazy saddle]

once they get the mobile app working and the server kinks done il me archiving this thread and my discord accoount

[wanton grove]

😭

[hazy saddle]

@gilded fjord i tried to add the osdev server to the front desk section and the entire fluxer servers crashed

[gilded fjord]

yup

same

[hazy saddle]

there we go ;3

[marble ridge]

yeah i think some big community moved over and it crashed the whole thing lol

[hazy saddle]

As soon as they mobile app is up I’m pumping them full of my 5 dollars lmfao

They need the support

hopefuly they can keep it sustainable

[peak cloak]

what list

[peak cloak]

also i want to join that crap too

how do i even join this idiot

[hazy saddle]

@peak cloak

[clear bison]

What list

https://tenor.com/view/epstein-jeffrey-epstein-j-jeffrey-sigma-gif-405083941180536765

[peak cloak]

wait you can do that

[hazy saddle]

the epstein list

[peak cloak]

[hazy saddle]

nah this one @clear bison

[clear bison]

Ah

[peak cloak]

YOOOOOOOO

i wanna be on the list tho my project is utterly irrelevant

and nothing was done ever

[hazy saddle]

I’m sure lukflug or mint would love to see it there lol

[peak cloak]

no way

[hazy saddle]

Why not ask lol

[peak cloak]

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

[hazy saddle]

Or if you prefer I can have a kvass section in my server for you

[peak cloak]

nah i want my own server

[peak cloak]

WHEN I CAN REGISTER

oh no their servers are really really cooked

[peak cloak]

i dont wanna get banned for pinging mods

[hazy saddle]

I’ve pinged mods twice in the past 30 minutes

Also there is #modmail

[peak cloak]

insane

but you literally added fred first you have a reputation

im some idiot making a powerpc thing

[hazy saddle]

Trueee

And I have more plans to expand my FRED driver

[peak cloak]

yish

i dont think im the first powerpc fanatic here either, some people definitely deserve to be on The List™ more than me and my non existent idiot

[peak cloak]

cool

[hazy saddle]

FRED has a lot of docs on shadow stacks

So potentially I could get thoes in kernel mode?

[peak cloak]

allegedly

[hazy saddle]

I didn’t read much in that part of the docs

[fiery tangle]

Basically fake Discord with no E2EE 😔

[hazy saddle]

discord doesnt have E2EE

[fiery tangle]

Oh :(

[hazy saddle]

it seems my FRED driver has broken on recent commits

and i cant getg bochs to work

the original commits works in SIMICS but not bochs

infact it cant even detect that FRED is supported on bochs

and bochs is making my ears hurt with its coruption crap

it dosnt crash on SIMICS but somthin is locking up and not getting IRQs

so hopefuly isnt too bad of a regression to fix

[hazy saddle]

Just throw some print statements on all the FRED shit and see where it locks up and if it’s getting any IRQs or whatever

Il possibly even add a -DFRED_DGB compile option for those prints

I have a reputation here to uphold with this /s

[urban mulch]

The amount of people that think most chat apps have E2EE is frightening

Because no. They don't. There's like one single chat app most people use to which this applies, but it's WhatsApp and you already know you're getting zuckerberg'd there.

[fiery tangle]

At least it has A/V E2EE

but yea ig

[urban mulch]

FYM A/V

[fiery tangle]

Audio/Video

[hazy saddle]

discord audio and video can do E2EE

[urban mulch]

Oh wow something that's extra hard for them to analyze compared to all the text traffix

I'm sure they didn't already know your entire life's story from the text /s

[rotund furnace]

Be for real discord has 0 interest in processing a/v

[hazy saddle]

btw @fiery tangle

also join fluxer its cool

[fiery tangle]

probably

[fiery tangle]

ah ok

also what do ppl want that isnt already in Matrix?

[hazy saddle]

its that it dosnt properly replace discord

[urban mulch]

Fluxer is a Discord replacement, Matrix is explicitly not

[fiery tangle]

I know but for people who doesn't want to use Matrix as an alternative to Discord it seems pretty feature complete to me.

[hazy saddle]

its buggy af and missing tons of moderation stuff

[fiery tangle]

its buggy af
Like the protocol or implementations?

missing tons of moderation stuff
Oh...

[hazy saddle]

if you ban one person from a channel in a space

it dosnt apply to other channels

[fiery tangle]

I wrote a hella long message but it didn't make sense

[clear bison]

Did bochs ever get FRED support in tge first place

Bochs is outdated asf

[hazy saddle]

they got it a week ago

lmfao

fluxxer pls work

[peak cloak]

telegram

[urban mulch]

That's just russion non-E2EE by default

[peak cloak]

slightly better than their government mandated "max" anyway

[urban mulch]

If you use Telegram for something that needs opsec you're a fucking moron

[hazy saddle]

Signal

Just use signal

[urban mulch]

yes

[hazy saddle]

But yeah @clear bison https://github.com/bochs-emu/Bochs/commit/7a0d34c14801709bed87e476faae6b5a620a213f

They “”should”” have it

But somthing is clearly severely fucked

[clear bison]

How do you detect FRED presence?

Checking some MSR?

[hazy saddle]

It’s on CPUID

My source code does check for it

But the latest commits have broken it

Well the getting of IRQs

I’m gonna look into it later once QEMU TCG has FRED

It dosnt crash or anything

Just locks up so I presume it’s something really basic

[hazy saddle]

I mean

I guess talk is cheap

[sterile plank]

send patches

[hazy saddle]

I am nowhere near well versed enough in the QEMU codebase though

I can’t even find the non i386 shit on the codebase is

[hazy saddle]

i may take one extra day of break here

it atleast gives me time to read some VFS papers

which i should do

instead of just imagining what a VFS is

[sterile plank]

so we're both having a break eh

(I'm forced though, I'll have classes til late late(

[hazy saddle]

@rotund furnace Did say I’ve been burnt out

So I should probably take breaks

[sterile plank]

take breaks

burnouts are not a fucking joke

i abandoned my os that had userspace

and almost working gcc

[rotund furnace]

I could tell the second you said you prioritised osdev over drinking water 🥀

osdev is never that serious

[sterile plank]

😭

[hazy saddle]

Hey it’s also partly being lazy to get the water

I have to leave my room to get water

The osdev is right there

[sterile plank]

I should get back to osdev

[hazy saddle]

Did you ever get bash ported?

That’s my main goal

Hopefully I can make it work

I may also need to revisit my VMA as it’s mostly correct it could do a bit better at collation and edge cases especially on MUNMAP

[sterile plank]

fuh nah

but listen if i go back to osdev id be doing the same shit

linux like shit

using mlibc

and limine

[hazy saddle]

I’m pretty close to bash

Just a VFS and a fork exec away

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420566657541214320/1468828977706832179/ezgif-306d93eac6eb2f4e.gif

I got doom and bad apple working so

[hazy saddle]

And I technically do have a VFS

And I COULD extend it a bit

But like it’s super fucking ass

I should do it proper

And also make the proper /dev/tty devices :p

And I should add a pipe driver

[sterile plank]

i remember back in 2023 I was working on a kernel and this shit had TTF font rendering baked in the kernel :^)

[hazy saddle]

[sterile plank]

the other one had shaders

but no gpu

it made text gay

but i had fun

I'm still deeply thankful to Qwinci for explaining paging to me

[hazy saddle]

Paging is kool

I lowkey want to make a uACPI project that just gives you free paging :p

[sterile plank]

yeah it is

[hazy saddle]

Like here you go have paging have fun

[sterile plank]

but i REALLY REALLY did not understand it

[hazy saddle]

And I would public domain it

It would be lacking a ton of features tho

Just map and unmap for 4kb plain x86-64 pages on 4 levels

[sterile plank]

if u do mmu then i would do uhhh

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

kernel gui library :^)

Something something CosmosOS C#

[hazy saddle]

Nah that would make things worse

TBH making free paging will allow more slop

But like it would be funny

[sterile plank]

just glue up projects together

[hazy saddle]

And maybe allow SOME people to get further without slop

Kernel GUI library honestly would just be bad all around lmfao

[sterile plank]

uacpi, your mmu, my graphics, flanterm, limine, mlibc

[hazy saddle]

Make actual graphics

Maybe do pcie VGA adapter driver

[sterile plank]

then I'd make generic drivers

:^)

imagine a world where you have interface that kernel has to implement and drivers use that (it won't exist, it cant)

but i saw a guy doing it

[hazy saddle]

uHDA exists

It’s a portable Intel audio driver

[sterile plank]

maybe it is possible to create such interface but i don't have enough knowledge to assume things

[hazy saddle]

If your thing needs to do paging

You add a way for people to fill in a paging function for example

Etc etc

Or like allocate physical memory

[hollow crater]

forward me some plz

Im supposed to start reading on this too instead of just procrastinating

[hazy saddle]

https://www.cs.fsu.edu/~awang/courses/cop5611_s2024/vnode.pdf

@hollow crater this is the sunVFS paper

I think @cold barn knows some other good papers for this?

[hollow crater]

o I read that one already o_O

[hazy saddle]

That’s the only one I know of

[hollow crater]

😔

[hazy saddle]

And I should do a good bit of research

[hollow crater]

same here but im lazy 💔

rn*

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[cold barn]

Not specifically. Any I know would already be in #curated-resources, and I think that's the only one there. There might be some more on the (an?) osdev.wiki page

[hollow crater]

😭

[hazy saddle]

I forget the context of that gif

But it’s funny 😭

[hollow crater]

aha fair i will check there

thaaaanks

[hazy saddle]

Then all I know is that paper and the general idea of FD to intermediate FD that has the seek information etc so multiple FDs can point to the same data. And then that points to a vnode that implements all of the backend functions and abstracts it away

[hazy saddle]

Okayyyy

So tomorrow I’m gonna make the VFS

And I’m gonna fix up a lot of the shit

And and

Il make my own shell

And il call it

“csh”

For crap shell

What

It will be in userspace atleast

:p

@cold barn can you elaborate 😭 💀

I don’t wana implement fork right away

It may be easier to make some stupid crap shell

[cold barn]

csh is used already

[hazy saddle]

Fuck

[cold barn]

for "C SHell"

lmao

DECADES ago

[hazy saddle]

Damn

shtty

What about that

Shitty try

[cold barn]

that works I think

[hazy saddle]

Shitty TTY

Ir some crash

This will be a bandaid stopgap before I get bash

Just so people can’t clown on me for using a kernel shell

🥀

And so I can clown on other people with a kernel shell

XD

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/yoinky-sploinky-wd-gaster-gaster-sjf-discord-gif-25028220

[cold barn]

or just get bash lmao

its not hard

[hazy saddle]

True

But fork scares me

Especially with my very crappy VMA that is kind of okay

[cold barn]

don't be

[hazy saddle]

And that I will need to rework

[cold barn]

you'll need fork for your shell too

[hazy saddle]

True

Wait now

I was gonna make a syscall

That would spawn a process and auto wait the current process on it

💀

[hazy saddle]

I mean afaik fork would be copying all of the threads current structures and then marking all the pages as CoW and then in the new thread restore all the registers the same besides the return value

Ehh the VFS needs work first

I mean I think bash can work without fork?

Well it won’t do much

[quiet rose]

is there a deltarune refrence

ok im dumb there literally says deltarune

[peak cloak]

where's "you have not win!!! jajajaja!!!"

also crap why did it scroll up to something from 2025

mobile discord tweaking out BAD

[kindred stirrup]

i ground*

[mild glacier]

yayayayayay

[hazy saddle]

Okay so

Hm

I wonder if I can “””port””” bash

And just have it compiling

And going to a prompt

Get the build system stuff out of the way atleast

@soft snow You just got bash ported? What’s the rundown for the build system crap for a static build? Should I just have to point bash’s configure and make to my cross compiler?

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

nvm i made a typo

lmfaoo

also i saw manafarn mainlined in there

gg

crap

i possibly need more sysdeps

yeahh

ive gotta get ready to goto my grandmas

But getting this port to the point of compiling and loading before burning into a fiery blaze could be good

Atleast then I can get the list of sysdeps early

And architecture things nicer

[hazy saddle]

I was editing the config file btw

And I copied a Linux chunk

But forgot to paste it twice

And then I edited most of it with my kernels info

But left in the Linux bit

[soft snow]

Really easy.

[soft snow]

Exactly like that.

[cold barn]

static build
either have only libc.a, or use LDFLAGS=--static

[soft snow]

You need glibc option.

I also ran into that.

[cyan bison]

goto grandma

ez

[soft snow]

Also sysdeps are just trial and error.

I'll make a quick list of the ones I made.

[cyan bison]

what?

[hazy saddle]

I think I only have libc.a?

[hazy saddle]

Also whoops I forgot to put the static flag too XD

Ehh

Il do that when I fix it

[hazy saddle]

Thank you thank you

[hazy saddle]

I think it’s a Linux header spesificsly?

I snooped into astrals folder

[hazy saddle]

Already did

I’m here

[soft snow]

No it's glibc my god

Its not Linux

Its glibc

glibc option m

[hazy saddle]

That’s what the symlink one said

https://git.evalyngoemer.com/evalynOS/mlibc-evalynos/src/branch/mlibc-evalynos/sysdeps/astral/include/abi-bits/ioctls.h

Crap that’s the one with an s

💀

Sorry @soft snow

[soft snow]

Lol

[peak cloak]

Managerms

[hazy saddle]

i presume this is because i dont have them installed?

let me run the script

crap

[soft snow]

You don't need to build Linux kernel headers for glibc ext last I checked

maybe Im just stupid but ye

[urban mulch]

Correct

This is only a thing if you enable the linux option

[hazy saddle]

true but it cant hurt to get it working

[urban mulch]

Do that after you've implemented all of POSIX

Linux requires a LOT of random extras

[hazy saddle]

well it seems to compile. i just want it enabled so i can implement them later?

[urban mulch]

I just hope you don't encounter some random thing that detects a Linux feature via m4 then depends on it

[hazy saddle]

[soft snow]

Seems like unnecessary effort for no gain.

Why even enable it when you can't use it?

(and might potentially suffer from the linux feature detecting Emma mentioned)

[hazy saddle]

glibc and posix it is then

[soft snow]

Well that's what I have enabled atleast.

[hazy saddle]

huh??

[opaque marten]

they like to delacre their own implementations

you have to add a bunch of ac_cv things that disable their functions to tell them libc has them

[cold barn]

or you have to figure out where it detects that libc has them, and satisfy those checks

[hazy saddle]

Ended up patching it to satisfy it and presume the correct one. But then it ended up having like 20 different things namespace colliding

Then I tried to power busybox

That was way worse lmfao

Even an all no config wants a fuck ton of Linux crap and I got tried after the 7th abi bit and then it giving some random file being missing error

[cold barn]

Does your os run in virtualbox?

[hazy saddle]

It should?

[cold barn]

If so I can try to help port toybox or bash

[hazy saddle]

That would be amazing

I just need to get the stupid thing to compile so i can throw sysdeps at it proper

Want me to give you an ISO to test before you grab my entire thing and build the toolchain?

[cold barn]

you might wanna update this link to the codeberg btw

[hazy saddle]

Uhhh my laptops kernel build is fucking up

Let me fix this real quick

[hazy saddle]

Page faults in random crap

💀

@cold barn I have some older builds on my file server you can test in the meantime

https://files.evalyngoemer.com/

[cold barn]

ok cool

[hazy saddle]

Updated to my self hosted git server

[cold barn]

what disk controller should I use?

[peak cloak]

ide

[hazy saddle]

I don’t have any disk drivers so it should be fine as long as limine supports it

[cold barn]

NVMe for the drive, and USB for the ISO? IDE? SATA?

ah ok

[hazy saddle]

I plan to do NVME though

[cold barn]

you'll want at least one other if you want to support reading the ISO. which you could just use limine for I guess

[hazy saddle]

I have plans to do AHCI & USB at some point

Possibly after networking though

But that’s all after x11

[hazy saddle]

Btw what is toybox? More modern busybox I presume?

[cold barn]

ok yeah, cd0e53926a.iso works

[cold barn]

public domain alternative implementation of busybox, by one of the former maintainers

https://landley.net/toybox

[hazy saddle]

If it breaks for the dev branch let me know the errors and I will patch it

Ooo that looks excellent

If bash gives you issues 100% go for that

I’m rebuilding the libc on my laptop rn

Including GCC and core utils

[cold barn]

I just need an x86_64-elf right? or do you have a gcc patch

[hazy saddle]

I have a script that will build gcc core utils and mlibc with all my patches automatically

You just have to add it to the path manually

It seems some mirrors are being an ass so I had to re run it a few times so it could grab the source

[cold barn]

where is it?

build-libc.sh?

I can also just build the toolchain myself
is the gcc patch based on a git version, or a specific release?

[hazy saddle]

Yes

[hazy saddle]

A release it will grab the tarball for you

And I have a patch in the directives

You can do it yourself

Should be src/patches

[cold barn]

I'm just using build-libc

also if you have fast internet, I've found that downloading gcc-*.tar.gz is faster than gcc-*.tar.xz, since the xz takes aaaages to unpack

[hazy saddle]

Crap I forgot my laptop charger

I can use my phone charger and it should keep it alive

TIL I can pick it up tomorrow

[cold barn]

in /root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/build/ld I get: make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory '/root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/build/ld' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory '/root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/build/ld/po' make[2]: Nothing to be done for 'all'. make[2]: Leaving directory '/root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/build/ld/po' make[2]: Entering directory '/root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/build/ld' make[2]: *** No rule to make target '/root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/ld/scripttempl/.sc', needed by 'eelf_x86_64_evalynos.c'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory '/root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/build/ld' make[1]: *** [Makefile:1904: all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory '/root/evalynos/src/libc/binutils-2.45.1/build/ld' make: *** [Makefile:1093: all] Error 2

[hazy saddle]

Sometimes the script file is annoying and if you run it twice it will kick it back 💀

[cold barn]

genscripts is a big user of scriptteml/${SCRIPT_NAME}.sc, so maybe something went wrong there or somewhere that called it?

[hazy saddle]

Maybe?

All I know is my shell script works and I never wana touch it

Getting binutils and GCC was a pain

[cold barn]

CFLAGS_FOR_TARGET="-march=x86-64 -mabi-sysv"
CXXFLAGS_FOR_TARGET="-march=x86-64 -mabi-sysv"```
shouldn't this be set in your port?

also I kinda doubt you even need that

[hazy saddle]

That’s set in my script file

At the top I think?

[cold barn]

also I highly recommend using wget -c -O instead of wget -O, so you won't redownload the files

[cold barn]

yeah that's the problem

I'm going through it right now trying to find odd looking stuff to see if we can fix the "you gotta run it twice" issue

[hazy saddle]

Ahh

To be fair it happened on a fresh install on my laptop

And then never happened again

here is a latest iso

[cold barn]

if [ ! -e "${SRC_DIR}/.got-binutils" ]? just verify a checksum of it, or trust in wget -c to make sure the file is properly downloaded. if it is partially fetched, wget will finish it. if it's fully fetched, it will exit(0)

[hazy saddle]

That’s to prevent redownloads 💀

[cold barn]

yeah, wget -c will too

[hazy saddle]

Because I did not know about that argument of wget

[cold barn]

ah

[hazy saddle]

I do hash checks for my doom port which has a script file similar to this

I’ve been considering swapping to meson soon™ which should fix a lot of this madness

Btw thanks for helping PCC

[cold barn]

eh, it's not that mad, it just seems like you're not super familiar with shell tools

if [ -d ${BINUTILS_DIR}/build ]; then
    if [ "$(ls -A ${BINUTILS_DIR}/build)" ]; then                                                                                                                                            rm -rf ${BINUTILS_DIR}/build
        mkdir -p ${BINUTILS_DIR}/build
    fi
else
    mkdir -p ${BINUTILS_DIR}/build
fi```
this can be replaced with `rm -rf .../build; mkdir -p .../build`

rm's -f will make sure it never fails assuming you have write access

even if the file doesn't exist

[hazy saddle]

Huh neat

Yeah I do use shell utilis a bit but I haven’t scripted too much with them

[cold barn]

I might take a hack at rewriting that script later, or maybe even converting it to a makefile if you'd prefer I try that. sometimes build systems get weird when using makefiles though, so I'll just fall back to a shell script if it gets too bad

[cold barn]

yeah I've made like 6 shell package managers so I know a liiiiittle bit of tips and tricks :)

[hazy saddle]

Oooo neat

I have considered making a mini Lua build system that would be a glorified list of other scripts to run and then they define the steps to execute them

[cold barn]

so similar to what Oasis linux does?

[hazy saddle]

Which would atleast be more standard than what I have rn and would integrate with other build system

[hazy saddle]

I guess? It would be like a list of things and one may be “build doom” and it would target a Lua file in that directory and execute the thing and then that would call into make etc

Just as a wrapper for all the other things

[cold barn]

yeah I've run build-libc 3 times total now and it's not changing the result

I'll try a manual build+patch

[cold barn]

.

[hazy saddle]

To be fair this is designed for arch Linux and I haven’t tested elsewhere

[cold barn]

ah

I still don't think that should change too much

[hazy saddle]

I mean in the earlier days I’ve had issues with Debian friends

[hazy saddle]

This would be amazing

[hazy saddle]

I also have repos on my server that I based the patches on if you want to skip that step

[cold barn]

well, I'm going to rework your script first I think

and I'll probably keep the patch method just since that's the way it will actually build

[hazy saddle]

I think patches are better versed downing from my repo as it’s more trust worthy

[cold barn]

also btw, $PWD can be manipulated so $(pwd) is safer

[hazy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

Interesting lmfao

[cold barn]

do you care about how many spaces per tab? I usually use 2 but I can change it to 4 to keep with the old script style

[hazy saddle]

I like using 4 spaces and no tabs but I can always change it later if you wish to write it your way

Not like the codebase has any standards anyways

(That’s gonna be part of my plan when cleaning up everything)

[cold barn]

nah, I can just set-tab-width 4 lol. and yeah, I also expand tabs to spaces

[hazy saddle]

Tabs in my editor show things in the white space and it drives me mad whenever I have to write go which enforces real tabs

[hazy saddle]

got a crash on real hardware

i think its because i forgot to patch this

and well it dont like poor paging tables

lmfao

yayyy it fixed it

and the heao deadlocked again because it was too slow and the heap fragments way too much

[peak cloak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1132341895717208116/1475556674977927351/speechmemified_images.gif.gif

[hazy saddle]

[peak cloak]

heao

[hazy saddle]

Heap

I mean it dosnt help I allocate 64kb chunks off it

💀

Likeee

[peak cloak]

[hazy saddle]

I 100% need to rework my heap

[peak cloak]

kids these days with even more slang terms that are unnecessary yet they somehow help with performance

more memroy allocations

[hazy saddle]

But atleast that’s a known bug where it gets stuck in an infinite loop and NOT a thread safety issues

[peak cloak]

that helps

[hazy saddle]

Basically the heap can get too fragmented and then it tries to call the PMM

But it won’t get enough from it by mistake

And cause issues™

BUT it’s a known bug

I’m not fixing

Because I’m gonna completely redo that code

:p

[peak cloak]

why not

[cold barn]

EWONTFIX

[peak cloak]

nevermind

[hazy saddle]

So there isn’t a point when it only happens on stress tests

Like I either fix it and waste time

Or I just redo it like o was gonna anyways

[peak cloak]

// TODO: fix everything with 'DO NOT FIX - REWRITE SOON' commented

[hazy saddle]

I actualy have a won’t fix bug in some of my software

It’s funny

[peak cloak]

fix bugs

theyre gonna become colonies later

[hazy saddle]

https://git.evalyngoemer.com/Evalyn/HRMR/src/branch/main/module_src/http.cpp

I’m pretty proud of this project

[peak cloak]

dedotated wham to rhum this survhur

[hazy saddle]

What

[hazy saddle]

Honestly this wouldn’t be the won’t ERRNO code

Along with ESNDPATCH

[peak cloak]

minecraft

[hazy saddle]

Btw @cold barn how goes that script file? Need anything from me etc?

I may be going to sleep in 40 minutes or so

[cold barn]

nah i don't, I kinda got distracted but I am coming back to it every now and then lol

[hazy saddle]

Ahh lol

All good

Whatcha being distracted by?

[cold barn]

tracking the prices of consumable substances

and vcing with horny transfems

[peak cloak]

average OSdever activity

[hazy saddle]

Based

I’m playing Pokemon fire red rn after fixing that bug

I should upload it to git rn tho lol

oh btw PCC you did get on the dev branch right?

the main branch needs to be updated soon

i think its 3 other times people have grabbed the wrong one lmfao

tho for this iirc only a few mlibc patches happened

so should be fine either way

Ngl @peak cloak if you get your kconfig clone going well I think I wana use it

Would be cool to be able to enable/disable certain drivers etc

[peak cloak]

its usable now

gregloader's config works fine

idk it at least doesnt crash in my experience

[peak cloak]

true

theres currently no option to disable or enable entries if some item is toggled tho

idk it might be necessary for it to not look weird-ish

[hazy saddle]

Okay idea

Let things have a dependency on other things

But also have an option to show things as greyed out instead of hidden

Because it’s really annoying inside of kconfig

And have a key to force enable it by toggling the dependancies when greyed

[peak cloak]

[hazy saddle]

Btw what file does it generate at the end

[peak cloak]

i mean honestly first consider if you need the "if i enable this tihs appears" thing

[peak cloak]

a sec

something like this i guess

the goal for it is to get loaded into a makefile as an include

or even a bash script, why not

[hazy saddle]

Ooo looks good

Honestly borscht is a genuinely good project

Like I am very proud of you

[peak cloak]

talk is cheap, send pa-

[hazy saddle]

Atleast it’s better than kconfig

[peak cloak]

how so

[hazy saddle]

Easier to add to other projects

[peak cloak]

idk i mean kconfig is linux only

and i think its syntax might just be peepeepoopoo

[cold barn]

oh, no not yet 💀

[hazy saddle]

Yeah it’s fucking ass

[cold barn]

the syntax is not that bad

it's good as a DSL

[hazy saddle]

I mean I like @peak cloak s more

[peak cloak]

whatever tristate is i have a radio button

[cold barn]

tristate is Y/M/N

[hazy saddle]

I don’t like whitespace reliant things

[peak cloak]

oh

[cold barn]

for built in, module, and not built

[peak cloak]

wait what does y/m/n stand for

i thought it was year month and day

[cold barn]

yes, module, no

[peak cloak]

oh ok

[cold barn]

year month nay

[peak cloak]

i still have radio buttons for that tho