i sound dramatic here but holy crap you cant believe how pretty the outside really is
#Kvass (vibecoden't)
ocean ore
i will never in my life volountarily live in a dark basement room or whatever people tend to live in these days
im genuinely trying to feel better in life again
just lamenting about the childhood i did have is pointless it doesnt do anything
trying to actually correct that crap will definitely make me happy
how are you people tolerating being so depressed
im not sure if its a "choice" or not, im just saying that itll probably make you happier if you just open the window and look outside, fresh air does make a difference
neon aesthetics are overrated
im gonna be a total giga chad and use natural sunlight 
also its 18 degrees celsius outside currently
live in america but use metric 
now here's a call function for open fartware
actual use for the macro i just made
all the pointers have to be 32 bit because sun microsystems had a brainfart
im not sure who to blame for open firmware's faults
- it's an IEEE specification
- before it was a specification, it appeared on SPARC machines
- after it was a specification, work was mainly done by the "Open Firmware Working Group"
some crap in it was added by apple for their machines
some stuff is from CHRP which is an IBM AND apple thing
exit no worky
add a & to servicename?
no that was wrong
i used b instruction instead of bl for ofw entry
idk bl is supposed to jump :/
the asm entry isnt necessary anyway
ocean ore
im not sure if its a "choice" or not, im just saying that itll probably make you...
its probably because i only have very good memories with the outside
playgrounds and such
pliant glen
do you talk to yourself in private
ocean ore
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
ocean ore
do you talk to yourself in private
no
pliant glen
you should try it it helps you code
ocean ore
possibly
pliant glen
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
16 lines of c
ocean ore
16 lines of c
yes
minimum viable open firmware kernel
or not kernel
open firmware is weird
pliant glen
I can't judge you I get excited over eight lines of assembly working
ocean ore
I can't judge you I get excited over eight lines of assembly working
i used to suffer over hello world killing itself
same firmware 😭
pliant glen
goodbye world
ocean ore
True
pliant glen
1
ocean ore
what is for(;;) supposed to mean
so you know what for actually is?
for(1;2;3) is literally just
1;
while (2){
3;
}
basically its an infinite loop
;
while (){ // compiler might replace it with while 1 or smth
;
}
idk
https://codeberg.org/kvass
also moved to codeberg again
fine i did the thing you all wanted me to do i started a git repo
im not gonna upload the distro maker which doesnt make you want to kill yourself when constantly rebuilding gregloader though
ocean ore
GET ISO 
run under qemu-system-ppc with settings -M mac99 -g 640x480x32 -boot d -m 512M
dont forget the --cdrom obv
-boot d boots from cd
@raw prairie yo so like i think this is how im supposed to get keyboard info
also run the iso
do it
ocean ore
Where is the Evalyn git server version
uhhhhh death
raw prairie
Is what what you have chosen
ocean ore
i should consider uploading it there too
raw prairie
ocean ore
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734354115567812659/1471217554868408416/IM...
my touchpad slipped and clicked on this it might be karma
ocean ore
loaded gun?
raw prairie
Your being taken to the other side
ocean ore
Your being taken to the other side
which epstein island is that
raw prairie
The one owned by hades
ocean ore
The one owned by hades
ah
yes, the epstein island owned by hades
@raw prairie fine im gonna keep uploading to your server as well
theres no mirror they both gonna look the same
@raw prairie https://git.evalyngoemer.com/kvass/GREGloader
have ye bootloader-er
rare turtle
nice
ocean ore
nice
true
pick whichever server you hate the least to browse the git source
should i feed my code to the ai slop meatgrinder and post it on github too
ocean ore
<@618537432002068491> https://git.evalyngoemer.com/kvass/GREGloader
ok so my crap is mirrored on evalyn's server and my stupid server now
"my stupid server" is probably the most politically incorrect way to describe codeberg
frigid basin
can't get more 1984 than this
ocean ore
can't get more 1984 than this
they cant enforce it
im not in colorado anyways
kvass will never die
viva la resistance
path
ocean ore
now i need to do el protocolio
simply a program that does nothing but is greg formatted
ocean ore
ok so i forgot my protocol was going to be a device tree and it was going to enumerate pci for you and all that
do i even have the sanity to do something like that
its gotta be faster than manual enumeration though
important: there is NO acpi
ocean ore
ok so i forgot my protocol was going to be a device tree and it was going to enu...
where do i put all that
actually ykw
VIRTUAL MEMORY REQUEST
place all the dt crap into an address of the user's choice
vro who killed my backspace key
cant erase this no more
ocean ore
ok so like the protocol will be a devtree
be afraid mortals
the os has to go through it somehow to find its crap
im probably gonna consider not having subdirectories so its just gonna be a "device" instead of a "device tree"
device list
go through it and youll hopefully find a framebuffer
no but im thinking for some devices add a function that just tells you the devices location
framebuffer and memory map and such
sweet raptor
@ocean ore how far is your kernel
ocean ore
<@804770415363752017> how far is your kernel
doesnt really exist yet
complicated sorta
kvass was a kernel originally but after i chose powerpc there was no reasonable bootloader so i want to write my own
its not as stupid as the x86 real mode with 30 rings of doom and evil its quite nice
sweet raptor
doesnt really exist yet
that sad
ocean ore
its not as stupid as the x86 real mode with 30 rings of doom and evil its quite ...
you can literally get on the source code - that crap is all in C
ocean ore
my OS is in <#1340043265352667229> if you want
mk
ocean ore
framebuffer and memory map and such
honestly the protocol is slightly weird because i dont want/cant really have requests
sweet raptor
honestly the protocol is slightly weird because i dont want/cant really have req...
why
ocean ore
why
usually open firmware (ofw i call it) puts you to highest screen resolution
not the highest color depth, all real macs have 256 colors with a customizable palette
qemu can emulate that
with other requests idek
i mean fine with framebuffer but idk if you want smp all your cpus are in this stupid long list of doom thats the main feature of the protocol
powerpc smp is probably so painfully undocumented qemu doesnt have it tho
so no smp :(
you cant really get a power mac with smp unless its their 3000 dollar power mac g4s or g5s
raw prairie
honestly the protocol is slightly weird because i dont want/cant really have req...
You scan the binary for requests and then fill them in after loading or some crap right?
ocean ore
You scan the binary for requests and then fill them in after loading or some cra...
i mean yes
again the protocol is gonna go thru the ofw device tree, i just want to allocate a bunch of ram somewhere and do the filling thing
im thinking of putting everything in there
except idk actually requests seem nice
maybe i should use them and keep the long list of doom to devices only
ocean ore
maybe i should use them and keep the long list of doom to devices only
ill probs do that
im gonna make a "SERIAL" request too
we all like cereal IO
ocean ore
we all like cereal IO
is this how people with dyslexia osdev
how does it look like
the worst part of that is probably when your asm instruction has a typo but its still a correct instruction
especially powerpc except that might be slightly more friendly because the instructions barely resemble words
bl is jump, etc
ocean ore
im gonna make a "SERIAL" request too
basically i need a memory map req, i need a "obtain device list" obv, i need a framebuffer and serial req and idk id say thats usable
gregloader is actually good?!?!?!?!?!? :O
i need pretty tui in there too obv
steal borscht parser, put terminal emulator then ggez
maybe steal flanterm if im feeling lazy
honestly ive changed my mind on crapterm (changed mind, calls it crap anyway ) because its pretty useful to just quickly shove somewhere
im probs gonna put it in greg but not sure if i want to put it in kvass kernel
im gonna have an absurd amount of visual tricks and weird pipelines in there its utter insanity
ocean ore
basically i need a memory map req, i need a "obtain device list" obv, i need a f...
oh and modules
modules linked list 👍
the thing is is that i want everything loaded in kernel virtual memory to have a "desired virtual map" value
kernel header can say "load me at 0xC0000000 load devlist at 0xB0000000 and load modules at 0xA0000000"
except obv im gonna provide physical addresses and sizes for them too
i actually want to use my protocol im not a masochist
ocean ore
kernel header can say "load me at 0xC0000000 load devlist at 0xB0000000 and load...
if kernel and modules and such intercept it should error out
ocean ore
Kvass - 32-bit (currently) PowerPC operating system (for macs)
ppc64 kvass sometime in 69420 years
ok so i did not change my mind about flanterm what is this
ima implement my own frfr
i dont think im gonna bother making it portable
idk i just need something to output text ig
use open firmware stdout like grub does
or i will bother making it portable
ocean ore
Kvass - (currently) 32-bit PowerPC operating system (for macs)
ocean ore
honestly i want a graphical os
does not mean theres no terminal mode
im just not gonna write that much programs for it
actually i will probably even make my own coreutils and such but like
i want funky video
ocean ore
im gonna do a sin and add a kernel shell
whenever i make kvass boot
its mainly for debugging
when no other program exists
pliant glen
im gonna do a sin and add a kernel shell
not sinful, 5/10 decision
pliant glen
elaborate
i never learned why people go on an unnecessary tangent when they see white text on a black background
ocean ore
i never learned why people go on an unnecessary tangent when they see white text...
if they figure out its a kernel shell a divine crash out must come afterwards from everyone who is boring
anyways gregloader working time
ocean ore
GREG protocol signature is 0x08008135 and you cant do nothing about it
ocean ore
ehhhhhhh
pliant glen
i genuinely have no idea why i ever say these things to you specifically
you were the first project i saw
pliant glen
foolish attempt to enter the cool dudes of kvass ring <:trl:829316641191886888>
wrong its actually a mobius strip
ocean ore
i genuinely have no idea why i ever say these things to you specifically
i piss off people
pliant glen
not me
ocean ore
wrong its actually a mobius strip
no it doesnt self identify as "mobius strip"
ocean ore
ehhhhhh
pliant glen
im only mad i cant run kvass on my imac because its not old enough
ocean ore
im only mad i cant run kvass on my imac because its not old enough
brah
if you have like 100-200 dollars or whatever you can get an ibook
maybe even the same model i have
ocean ore
well thats depressing
i got mine for 75 but i got lucky
and its partially broken
:/
pliant glen
maybe i can get the components to build a ppc device from scratch and run it on there
ocean ore
maybe i can get the components to build a ppc device from scratch and run it on ...
that might just be more expensive than an ibook 
ocean ore
then i buy them for 900
pliant glen
pliant glen
ocean ore
idk where are you getting the open firmware from
ocean ore
so get an ibook
not how it works
man if you're gonna track down components worth hundreds of dollars and THEN also an ibook then just get the ibook
ocean ore
i never considered that one thanks
i have a 2001 model g3 btw
the colored toilet seat ones are crappier and theyre also more expensive
pliant glen
oh wait ive got a wii i can just take components from that
ocean ore
is the wii at least homebrewed
pliant glen
yeah
ocean ore
i might consider porting to wii if it doesnt suck bad
pliant glen
nobody is going to flash hello world to their wii
ocean ore
nobody is going to flash hello world to their wii
when its not gonna be a hello world
also duh
pliant glen
my wii will be yellowed by then
ocean ore
nobody even ran my "stdout torture" iso image
ocean ore
my wii will be yellowed by then
and the hinges will collapse and the paint will scrape off and the liquid cooling will leak
pliant glen
yummy capacitor
ocean ore
and it will bend and tear into pieces explode in your ears
and then the gpu's gonna explode, and the sata cable shall rip, and then it will forbid you from opening links in spotify
pliant glen
referring you to therapist
ocean ore
referring you to therapist
im just listing all the apple incidents
(all of them happened)
pliant glen
this is nintendo
ocean ore
nintendo is apple anyways
ocean ore
im just listing all the apple incidents
powerbook g4 hinge and titanium paint problem
pliant glen
the pippin is back yay
ocean ore
powerbook g4 hinge and titanium paint problem
power mac g5 coolant leak, iphone 6 bendgate, macbook pro sata problem, and then the drama where apple didnt want you opening external links in software
the g5 might be really cool to port my os to
or whatever other 950 cpu thing exists
xbox 360 and playstation 3 kvass
pliant glen
port it to intel
ocean ore
port it to intel
thats just too unholy
ocean ore
what is the reference to
pliant glen
i have no idea
ocean ore
fair
pliant glen
i just typed random instructions and said hey cool graphics
pliant glen
gonna run kvass on the 6100
pliant glen
what other 6100 is there
ocean ore
what other 6100 is there
idk
ocean ore
can you not afford qemu 
ocean ore
no qemu-system-ppc???
pliant glen
let me check
ocean ore
i might make a sparc port since it uses the same firmware
THAT WAY I CAN CAPTURE ALL SYSTEMS - WORKSTATIONS AND HOME COMPUTERS ||from the 90s|| ALIKE
ocean ore
is that the thing you do with c
yes
ocean ore
no
pliant glen
actually i did try compiling my c code once
but it kept getting deleted by defender
:T
ocean ore
thats why you use liunx
ocean ore
linux can't run discord
pliant glen
your taskbar is horribly crowded fix it
ocean ore
get back to the point
pliant glen
you have an entire pinned application
like cmon
the point is i dont want to use linux i have too much windows specific stuff
oh i do have qemu ppc neat whats the machine setup and wheres the iso
ocean ore
GET ISO <:letsgo:1282155513156468747>
@pliant glen
pliant glen
why is it such a giant file
ocean ore
why is it such a giant file
kilobytes
ocean ore
pliant glen
file size is perfectly fine theres no machine this could possibly lag on
youre wasting kvass time reacting
what does the name mean
ocean ore
gimmie a moment my wifi is dying
pliant glen
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
pliant glen
thats a confession
ocean ore
thats a confession
hakita said he was fine with it
im not i want my ultrakill and i want it now
ocean ore
in c dev whats the biggest slowdown
you
you get brain damage from programming in this
sometimes
otherwise its pretty nice
pliant glen
my biggest slowdown is ill look at my enormous toolbox of stuff i did specifically for a larger task and then procrastinate because i have no idea
also like constant headaches
c is honestly probably easier
ocean ore
sometimes i wonder if you all have depression and im the only saner person here
ocean ore
c is honestly probably easier
true
pliant glen
sometimes i wonder if you all have depression and im the only saner person here
im not depressed im just psychotic
ocean ore
im not depressed im just psychotic
thats what they all say
ocean ore
chara undertale syndrome?
pliant glen
what
ocean ore
man theres aint no way you are actually psychotic
pliant glen
it is extremely easy to not say everything in your mind when you communicate by manually pressing keys
believe it or not
:3
ocean ore
it is extremely easy to not say everything in your mind when you communicate by ...
true
pliant glen
anyway this is the kvass thread how do you intend to thread kvass
ocean ore
either hyper or multithreading
pliant glen
no idea what those are but theyre probably good
ocean ore
no idea what those are but theyre probably good
its like simulation of multiple processes or something on a single cpu core
pliant glen
ah that gives me ideas of what they are
ocean ore
jankier multiprocessing
pliant glen
see im actually interested in your work believe it or not
pliant glen
easier to study 30 lines of c than 50 million
also youre a person that says words instead of 800 that refuse to
ocean ore
go get interested in other peoples works theyre more interesting <:trl:829316641...
there's astral with the mining of crap
Minecrap™
ocean ore
also youre a person that says words instead of 800 that refuse to
elaborate
ocean ore
there's astral with the mining of crap
also ~~Managerms™ 
~~ managram which is literally linux
pliant glen
the point is you can be communicated with
also its easier to learn about a newer project than an established successful one
ocean ore
the point is you can be communicated with
theres a few people that can be communicated with idk
ocean ore
also its easier to learn about a newer project than an established successful on...
i think theres enough crap that happened since september 2025 that makes this things history more interesting than the hunt for osama bin laden
pliant glen
i only wrote 700 line since september 2025
ocean ore
i need this crash screen back
ocean ore
i only wrote 700 line since september 2025
i had at least 69420 rewrites
wet barn
this reminds me of a shitty font i made that looked like this when i was first doing osdev stuff like 5 years ago x3
pliant glen
rude
wet barn
nothing against you
pliant glen
you cant do much with 6x6 yknow >:P
pliant glen
thats the improved version it used to look a lot worse no worries
i have a 16x16 graphics interrupt so i could theoretically make it a ton better but like so much data
pliant glen
uhh 32x96 bytes
pliant glen
wait, are you encoding the font pixels in like, full color? O.o
no its one byte per eight pixels
wet barn
oh thank god x3
pliant glen
working on pixel precise graphics engine is anguish
wet barn
real
i'm shocked to see someone working with powerpc tho, i have a power mac g5 that i've wanted to experiment with some low level stuff on it, but i literally can't find any good documentation on powerpc stuff
frigid basin
you get brain damage from programming in this
why use c to make an os when u can make ur own programming language, which you can use to make an os
pliant glen
make the documentation then thats always fun
wet barn
so its neat to see a project that's actually using powerpc
wet barn
make the documentation then thats always fun
oh god no
pliant glen
why use c to make an os when u can make ur own programming language, which you c...
go a step further and fabricate your own silicon
wet barn
go a step further and fabricate your own silicon
while you're at it, reinvent human society as well
ocean ore
so its neat to see a project that's actually using powerpc
thank you random person
also at&t nuked my wifi routee
pliant glen
oh god no
dont worry cat here is actually the best powerpc programmer EVER ask them anything theyll know perfectly
ocean ore
r
wet barn
thank you random person
np
ocean ore
dont worry cat here is actually the best powerpc programmer EVER ask them anythi...
apple?
pliant glen
while you're at it, reinvent human society as well
relatively easier
wet barn
its funny, i used to be here more back when i worked on my own os project, but ig i forget that was a while ago so i'm kinda just random now x3
pliant glen
make another os project
ocean ore
its funny, i used to be here more back when i worked on my own os project, but i...
fair
wet barn
make another os project
i've thought about it, but am lazy, and too much of a perfectionist
tough socket
why use c to make an os when u can make ur own programming language, which you c...
nobody would ever do that.
wet barn
nobody would ever do that.
erm
pliant glen
write an os for some proprietary chipset in some random embedded device that has no documentation
ocean ore
nobody would ever do that.
the stupid popular dude
wet barn
yeah like, who would do that :3c
ocean ore
the stupid popular dude
the schizo guy who died in a trainwreck
tough socket
the schizo guy who died in a trainwreck <:pain:679047090474713098>
he didnt do that. nobody ever could
ocean ore
why does my macbook dont want to connect to peepee und poopoo de caca
ocean ore
he didnt do that. nobody ever could
fair
pliant glen
why do that when you can microcode your entire os into a cpu and have it execute its entirety under one opcode
smallest possible os :D
wet barn
why do that when you can microcode your entire os into a cpu and have it execute...
take it a step further and do what intel did with the iAPX and make the os functionality in silicon
ocean ore
ok so my macbook is crashing out again
im on linux alive tho
osdev time
im trying to compile a test image for my boot protocol which should be found by the bootloader and parsed through
pliant glen
that sounds really simple
tough socket
take it a step further and do what intel did with the iAPX and make the os funct...
fun fact all the fancy OS stuff the iapx432 did didnt die with it
it lived on in the i960
ocean ore
that sounds really simple
did you expect a "its actually not that simple"
pliant glen
no
tough socket
the high end i960 chips made for the BiiN computers
wet barn
it lived on in the i960
really? i didn't know that
istg intel really likes shooting themselves in the foot
ocean ore
my temperature meter is two dashes
tough socket
istg intel really likes shooting themselves in the foot
it was a good enough idea that it still exists now
CHERI is a descendant of that work
wet barn
CHERI is a descendant of that work
ohhh wait i didn't even consider capabilities
idk i just have a weird feeling about making os functionality more hardcoded like that
ocean ore
limine ripoff
ocean ore
idk i just have a weird feeling about making os functionality more hardcoded lik...
same
wet barn
same
yeah like part of the charm of osdeving is being able to have control over your own software and doing things your way, its the freedom which makes it fun imo
wet barn
greg
pliant glen
gred
wet barn
greg is greg
pliant glen
dzxrh q
ocean ore
you cant be more blind than this
the name is a GRUB parody
cheap australian knockoff grub
wet barn
codeberg, based
pliant glen
did you write greg
ocean ore
did you write greg
Please refer to the stdin test program's start up log
I genuinely swear to you, please open your eyes.
pliant glen
i dont think the problem is blindness here it is not that hard to type yes or no
youre asking of me more effort than it would take for you
ocean ore
i dont think the problem is blindness here it is not that hard to type yes or no
Yes I made the bootloader
How the fu
anyways
ocean ore
codeberg, based
someone made me host it on their server too except that i want to get it off there because i dont want to bother with two mirrors
pliant glen
remove it
wet barn
someone made me host it on their server too except that i want to get it off the...
yeah fair
ocean ore
@raw prairie go shill for your server again, im not scared of whatever "hell" you want to send me to
anyways
wet barn
raw prairie
someone made me host it on their server too except that i want to get it off the...
Why not just make it automatic
:p
Make it automaticly mirror when you push to one
ocean ore
Why not just make it automatic
idk i just made it so i can type git push -u codeberg; git push -u evalyn and it should work fine
honestly nevermind fine you shilled well
ocean ore
https://tenor.com/view/yoinky-sploinky-wd-gaster-gaster-sjf-discord-gif-25028220
anyways rate protocol
ocean ore
limine ripoff
.
wet barn
protocol/10
ocean ore
protocol/10
f###ing bootloader
raw prairie
Too many zeroes
wet barn
<:trl:829316641191886888>
based
raw prairie
FA6942BAD
ocean ore
Too many zeroes
who would intentionally put 0x08008135 into a specifically named section of a program
frigid basin
<:trl:829316641191886888>
peak
raw prairie
who would intentionally put `0x08008135` into a specifically named section of a ...
Me
pliant glen
i didnt dislike it
frigid basin
reminds me of when I used to type 5318008 in my calculator and turning it upside down
pliant glen
dull-directed hate
ocean ore
dull-directed hate
dull HATES the 0xBOOBIES, the world is gonna end in 10 seconds because of this
wet barn
frigid basin
dull HATES the `0xBOOBIES`, the world is gonna end in 10 seconds because of this...
the world cant end before august 12 2036
ocean ore
ocean ore
the world cant end before august 12 2036
possibly
ocean ore
<a:Z_CatBoomExplode:1087192224321786007>
kvass boob drama
pliant glen
this is blatant lying now
ocean ore
what did we NOT have here
pliant glen
:(
wet barn
pliant glen
i dont remember saying anything about your signature
ocean ore
i dont remember saying anything about your signature
allegedly
anyways we need a quote for gregloader, for borscht we had "Great success!" from borat
we need a funny thing here too
its also a test to see how depressed you people are
ocean ore
anyways we need a quote for gregloader, for borscht we had `"Great success!"` fr...
anyways, quote contest
ocean ore
"no"
- dull
ocean ore
write your own quote youre the funny sane one
i think i want to contradict myself on the sane part
wet barn
This is the greatest kvass situation of All Time
ocean ore
This is the greatest kvass situation of All Time
boob drama, quote contest AND gregloader progress (rare occurance once in a billion years)
All Time(TM)
kids these days with their limines
programming a unix
every day some gdt gets initialized and it never goes any further than that
anyways so powerpc supremacy
wet barn
truly a tragedy
ocean ore
truly a tragedy
yeah idk why i see so much unixes
its utter insanity
are they programming operating systems because they want to or because they have to
wet barn
yeah idk why i see so much unixes
its easy to port software to a unix-like os
ocean ore
its easy to port software to a unix-like os
true
i want mine to have utterly insane systemcalls and device structure and add a unix mode later
ocean ore
are they programming operating systems because they want to or because they have...
i mean i guess everyone likes what they want idk
wet barn
like look at astral, it can run fucking minecraft, but if it used purely its own design, that wouldn't be as easy, if not impossible
ocean ore
like look at astral, it can run fucking minecraft, but if it used purely its own...
true
i know astral runs crapmine
ocean ore
i want mine to have utterly insane systemcalls and device structure and add a un...
everyone needs to know of kvass's deranged device structure idea
wet barn
that's not to say that you shouldn't experiment with your own designs, its just.. yeah x3
ocean ore
that's not to say that you shouldn't experiment with your own designs, its just....
idk i want an os that focuses a bunch on graphics actually
wet barn
oh based
ocean ore
or sound
idk i want an os that people can somewhat have fun programming games for without going utterly insane
or boring software
if you suck
and are boring
i want me a window manager and graphics drivers NOW
also its gonna be a microkernel
ocean ore
idk i want an os that people can somewhat have fun programming games for without...
"macintoshes couldnt be used for gaming" shut up we have the gamecube its practically a macintosh
wet barn
i want me a window manager and graphics drivers NOW <:trl:829316641191886888>
i feel that dude, when i was working on my own os a while ago i really just wanted to jump into graphics and shit, probably the funnest part was doing usespace
ocean ore
i feel that dude, when i was working on my own os a while ago i really just want...
fair
anyways so im gonna go repeat my usual rant about my device structure plan
so there's physical devices in a normal sane device tree
they are handled by drivers for these devices
the system just feeds them the data for the type that these devices are
then theres virtual devices, these are the craps programs actually use
if its a video thing then programs can put objects on it idk
the OS eventually shoves everything into a meatgrinder and feeds it to the physical device
however theres a third type lololol
tough socket
yeah idk why i see so much unixes
btw, there is definitely a unix syscall api, but i would contest the notion of there being such a thing as a "unix-like kernel design"
ocean ore
however theres a third type lololol <:trl:829316641191886888>
its a device which is a container of virtual devices
it can drag them around the screen if its a video out thing
ocean ore
btw, there is definitely a unix syscall api, but i would contest the notion of t...
true
tough socket
what is usually meant by that in the osdev community is that it looks like toaruos or another crummy yet highly popular kernel project rather than that it looks like a real unix
ocean ore
its probably just striving for unix compliance asap
tough socket
by the end of the 90s the actual unixes were highly diverse designs and some of them had been completely rewritten
ocean ore
by the end of the 90s the actual unixes were highly diverse designs and some of ...
true
wet barn
what is usually meant by that in the osdev community is that it looks like toaru...
i mean tbf toaru was one of the oses that inspired me to start doing osdev stuff
tough socket
it inspired a lot of ppl
ocean ore
i got inspired by absolutely nothing, i just had a craving for writing my own os
tough socket
it was fun as i aged from like 13 to 23 going from "wow toaru is so cool i wonder if ill ever be able to do anything like this..." to "wow toaru kinda sucked"
ocean ore
i got inspired by absolutely nothing, i just had a craving for writing my own os...
me as an 8 year old probably went "man windows is boring i want my own layout"
we have linux but like i only know of ubuntu's existence
wet barn
it was fun as i aged from like 13 to 23 going from "wow toaru is so cool i wonde...
FRR, looking back it has so many issues
ocean ore
it was fun as i aged from like 13 to 23 going from "wow toaru is so cool i wonde...
i think i just heard what toaru is
pooix jumpscare
ocean ore
it can drag them around the screen if its a video out thing
anyways sorry to interrupt the unix rant, what do yall think of the Stupid Device Design of Doom And evil(TM)
tough socket
this is what made me want to write an operating system https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3TXeh_t23o
wet barn
this is what made me want to write an operating system https://www.youtube.com/w...
holy shit i forgot about this video
tough socket
its so good
tough socket
if its a video thing then programs can put objects on it idk
putting video compositing in the kernel?
ocean ore
putting video compositing in the kernel?
no
sorta
everything compositing
im thinking of drivers sorta being able to declare their own type idk
except the problem with that is that its non standard
@tough socket would it be reasonable to just have some generic transfer type of some sort where it then somehow just goes into the driver
have the container devices have their own settings for modifying things (idk video driver might give containers an option for position and such)
(volume for audio)
wet barn
what audio driver are you gonna implement?
ocean ore
what audio driver are you gonna implement?
which audio device?
wet barn
that's what i'm asking x3
ocean ore
oh ok
ocean ore
what audio driver are you gonna implement?
this one specific texas instruments chip
its in my ibook
lemme check which one i dont have access to working mac os x for now
(i forgot to install)
i need either panther or tiger because these are the only ones willing to report
i assume i can get it but only in firmware
PSEUDO SOUND
also i dont think bootloader has to enumerate pci for you
i think open firmware doesnt even do that
i hope it at least gives you configuration space addr
which it should
otherwise how does mac os x run
ocean ore
so i am writing an elf parser
this is how far into typing the idiot out ive gotten
magnificent variable name
we need "kvass but i use the same naming convention as local function variables" where greg_boot(ihandle kernel); is gonna be called GLbtK(ih krnl);
ocean ore
magnificent variable name
i renamed it to SHSTsectionIdx
ocean ore
we need "kvass but i use the same naming convention as local function variables"...
the origin of kvass spaghetti code is definitely always the local function variable names
safe silo
sometimes i wonder if you all have depression and im the only saner person here
you develop code for ppc? you are no better than the rest of us
ocean ore
you develop code for ppc? you are no better than the rest of us
no its just that i dont think i sound like i want to kill myself
why we making ourselves look worse
people here are fine people with quite a bunch of braincells but its like they deny and try to pretend they're a psychotic idiot trying to kill people
yeah its a joke but its gotta spiral into some form of self hate if you repeat it so much
its not even "humble" or anything either, many of the same people calling themselves insane worthless psychos also definitely think they're above the whole world
anyways yes id be equal to you i just went on a tangent
however i still wanna know if the majority here either has or think it has some sort of mental disorder
cant we all value ourselves these days, thats why we're getting censored so bad
raw prairie
honestly nevermind fine you shilled well
I provide good services
Made with a grandmas love
ocean ore
Made with a grandmas love
grandma robbery
raw prairie
My grandma literally does her work next to that computer every day lol
ocean ore
"why does microsoft word lag so much" she calls you about libreoffice
libreoffice is based honestly, we need more people appreciating productivity software on lunix
especially if their holy bible is for people to switch
barren sierra
however i still wanna know if the majority here either has or think it has some ...
possible
ocean ore
possible
idk
people say i have adhd but why do they care so bad
i should try writing a c++ program ngl
at least make a gregloader test kernel on c++
ocean ore
anyways so if the "calling yourself depressed is stupid" rant is offensive then im sorry for it
more kvass today
ocean ore
so anyway gregloader needs to go through elf binary for boot
my protocol doesnt really have responses like limine tho
it writes into the requests
except memory map where it has to alloc memory for it
still tho
the signature being 0x08008135 is peak tho
big endian advantage: you can see 8008135 in a non byteswapped way
ocean ore
i want a window manager, and i want it now!!!
i hope this project doesnt die again when i get to a pmm
whenever i enter the kernel i actually have to start working on the pmm since i have no excuse
except maybe only a terminal emulator
ocean ore
whenever i enter the kernel i actually have to start working on the pmm since i ...
theres no gdt
may need module support so i can get font loading
module support is useful anyway
ocean ore
ok so when i enter user space i dont want a standard c library just yet
i want me the funky app programming interface i thought of
also i need a font format
psf seems to be the best one to use
except what if i made my own font format
psf is monospace i want not monospace support
all fonts
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
just bitmaps tho
ocean ore
why do people get pissy when christianity is brought up, like cmon its not gonna hurt you
anyways so font
font format idea is to have something like psf
sorta
every symbol can have its own width and height
unless you enable monospace font mode where the same w&h are used for all symbols
im gonna consider adding a monospacePermitted flag which basically means the font isnt monospace but it can be used as such
except you have to be a god and build a font that is both monospace and not
soo its kinda pointless :/
i should boot my protocol first really
once i get a framebuffer and modules i can bother with the funny test
ocean ore
idea: go back in time and show gil amelio kvass
the font idea is a bit stupid ngl
insane effort converting the crap on one hand
astral pagoda
ok
astral pagoda
ok
ocean ore
ok <:thinkong:815589724424241152>
pliant glen
its not even "humble" or anything either, many of the same people calling themse...
yeah honestly not a fan of that stuff
ocean ore
kvass delay: had a convo with my bio teacher due to late homework and missed the bus so im stranded at school until my parents pick me up
ocean ore
yeah honestly not a fan of that stuff
real
ocean ore
kvass delay: had a convo with my bio teacher due to late homework and missed the...
my router is still broken, i have to use a hotspot again until they get us a new one
pliant glen
how did it even break
ocean ore
how did it even break
idk it just died
ocean ore
ELF PARSER TIME
the error message when your supreme endianness has failed you and you have to recomple the compiler
ocean ore
the error message when your supreme endianness has failed you and you have to re...
actually ima nuke this error
no more error message
pliant glen
endianness is irritating
ocean ore
i informed my parents of existence of ultrakill
they seem to be fine with the game because doom did the violence part first anyway
ocean ore
for some reason the section header table is only giving me the ELF magic number
bruhb
my fseek always seeks 0
this is gotta be ragebait from me myself and i
pliant glen
how do you read it
ocean ore
how do you read it
uhhh
so theres a main header
the main header has a magic number and a bunch of useful info like CPU and endianness
the main header points to the program header and the section header (not their actual standardized names but whatever)
the program header contains info about loading the program into memory
the section header just contains section names and info and such
all "pointers" are offsets from the start of the file
pliant glen
seems good yeah
ocean ore
seems good yeah
except the section header points to a string table
it contains the name
and im trying to find the location of the string table
pliant glen
the section header
ocean ore
the section header
its not a header
its a table
section header table and program header table
i shouldve called them section table and program table
pliant glen
is a header not just a small dumb table
ocean ore
is a header not just a small dumb table
its a big relatively smart table
the spec calls it a "header table"
my spec is the osdev wiki, i havent bothered to find the real one
but wikipedia also calls it a header table so i think thats its actual name
interesting crap the solaris devs are smoking
honestly from working on this sun related crap im worried their logo shouldve been sunny from omori
except the horrified face, and their slogan should be "Abandon hope all ye who enter here"
with enough blood to make mortal kombat crap itself
ocean ore
honestly from working on this sun related crap im worried their logo shouldve be...
dont you wonder what would happen if the CEO of oracle fell down the stairs because they tried to force a long time sun microsystems employee to program AI into virtual box
thats probably gonna be the most utterly insane omori au in existence for the fanfiction writers who are probably reading this
anyway so string table
pliant glen
thats probably gonna be the most utterly insane omori au in existence for the fa...
why do you say these things
what synapse fires here
ocean ore
why do you say these things
thing come in head, me type, me hit RETURN
pliant glen
this explains a lot
pliant glen
everything could be worse
ocean ore
depends
ocean ore
its a section but like
to determine section names i need a string table
and the string table is a section
and it has a name
pliant glen
im not as good at visualizing c
ocean ore
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1132341895717208116/1475556674600435773/6...
go go gadget random gif
i think its the what are they thinking one unless its not
LETS GOOO
CRAP WIFI
pliant glen
did you not make it how can you not find it
ocean ore
pliant glen
that just looks like confusing documentation
can it be that hard to just make your own
ocean ore
that just looks like confusing documentation
no thats Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia at en.wikipedia.org
ocean ore
can it be that hard to just make your own
yes
it will be that hard
you have to get compilers to build your crap as your format
pliant glen
oh yeah c is for compile
ocean ore
we better thank them that ELF is somewhat tolerable
ocean ore
oh yeah c is for compile
c compilers usually output assembler i think
at least gcc
as then builds the idiot
pliant glen
the demon of babylon
ocean ore
no demons are boring
consider the man who turned water into wine, at least he gave us something
pliant glen
was that man an alcoholic
ocean ore
was that man an alcoholic
no
he drank it in moderation, a painful concept for the modern public to grasp
guy had so much aura he had frost walker without boots
pliant glen
can you not memory dump and search that
ocean ore
can you not memory dump and search that
ehhh nah the location depends on the binary
pliant glen
then find its relative location and work from that
pliant glen
this does not make sense
ocean ore
this does not make sense
theres a program table and a section table, the string table required for the section table is for some reason an entry in the section table
pliant glen
stupid
pliant glen
if only we could ask mr firmware himself
ocean ore
if only we could ask mr firmware himself
sun michaelsystems
pliant glen
virtualbox
raw prairie
you have to get compilers to build your crap as your format
make an elf parser to convert to your own format
ocean ore
make an elf parser to convert to your own format
why cant i just use an elf parser in the first place
the format isnt that utter peepeepoopo
raw prairie
theres a program table and a section table, the string table required for the se...
no this makes sense
the sections have special types and not all need strings
you find the string table to resolve strings if needed
ocean ore
is kvass an operating system or a type of personal computer
you enter kvass and boom - everything is different
ocean ore
ew lowercase hex
ocean ore
ew lowercase hex
oh also i did find the string table in an hour
ocean ore
if i find the string table in less than an hour then i guess so
yes id say the man can find string tables
ocean ore
i am literally at war with the string table its utter insanity
what do these stupid articles mean
what is a string offset, is it an entry in the string array or is it just straight up an offset from the start of the table
i think the name of the song i linked fits particularly well in this scenario
listen since 3:42
7 minute boss music
utter insanity
raw prairie
@ocean ore iirc it’s a byte offset into the string table
And it should be null terminated
ocean ore
<@804770415363752017> iirc it’s a byte offset into the string table
idk i keep having problems with it
it keeps giving me inconsistent strings
raw prairie
oh ok so i found string table wrong
ocean ore
https://tenor.com/view/truth-true-spongebob-truth-bomb-gif-15276593636156813970
NOT ANYMORE
ocean ore
utter invalid
WRONG
FAKE NEWS
(my file is only a few kilobytes)
holy crap lois
it works
diarrhea
liar liar pants on fire
serial crap
default stdin allows
i like my graphics more soz
ocean ore
ngl i want RS/6000 gregloader
tough garden
gregloader
tough garden
bru
ocean ore
bru
theres no chainload support either
its just a linux bootloader
idk i couldnt find any chainload code in the source code
its utter insanity
maybe its there but like
tough garden
bruh
tough garden
mb
tough garden
kvass logo
tough garden
then kvass new logo
ocean ore
gregloader logo
tough garden
yes
ocean ore
spagheeti code
anyways so i can get memory map in open fartware
i made a horribly crappy allocator for it
no free function
tough garden
ocean ore
behold: the entire kvass PMM
tough garden
loool
ocean ore
ocean ore
behold: the entire kvass PMM
the irony is that i think openfart has its own allocator already
but im not sure of its effects on the memory map
so im just gonna use this stupid stack idiot
basically if it can find a memory map entry big enough to allocate it will steal space from it and return the physical start address to the user
open firmware allocation functions are gonna be used to actually put it into virtual memory
ocean ore
trying to load binaries rn
crap i need to implement the stupid map metod again
also how the frick did mintsuki do the "write into a struct" in the binary so the os can see the response
utter insanity
i have to do that trick as well or otherwise my protocol is gonna become multiboot3 power macintosh edition
r/osdev will gobble this up because it looks cool
"looking cool" doesnt mean anything tho, even windows has a design language 
ocean ore
r/osdev will gobble this up because it looks cool <:pain:679047090474713098>
acronyms look epic
also funny rectangle banner
also powerpc
also font
nobody cares about the powerpc part though
its just supposed to look cool
i think the first cpu ill port greg and kvass to would be SPARC
or powerpc64 in all its glory
ocean ore
ocean ore
what if earthbound was politically incorrect and the final boss ███ giygas ██ ███ ███ ████████ ███████ █████ █████████ ████████ ███ ███ ███████ █ with heavy metal music ███████ ███████ and then you pray to ███████████ like in the actual game
anyways
raw prairie
what if earthbound was politically incorrect and the final boss ███ giygas ██ ██...
You should play the earth bound Halloween hack
ocean ore
no but the actual nintendo game's final boss is genuinely insane
first your neighbor literally tries to murder you while you fight some sort of a reflection and then he turns off the machine that contains the idiot and then █████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████ and you literally have to PRAY TO DEFEAT HIM
AND THATS AN E RATED NINTENDO GAME
this game is such utter insanity that nintendo genuinely decided to open their can of heavy metal music
in kirby you're literally fighting demons and yet they still get sweet music
raw prairie
no but the actual nintendo game's final boss is genuinely insane
You fight a giant fetus monster
ocean ore
but no here specifically they got HEAVY METAL
raw prairie
That’s the final fight in earthbound
ocean ore
You fight a giant fetus monster
depends
ocean ore
what if earthbound was politically incorrect and the final boss ███ giygas ██ ██...
this what inspired by someone saying that pokey is donald trump as a child
😭
shut up no spoilers
ocean ore
yes i did
its old
but like idk we need people to get hit with the violent brain abuse that giygas actually is
ocean ore
same
i should replay earthbound
call my favorite thing "multiboot2" so i can kill people with GNU magic
breaking news: giygas gives up after child starts ULTRAKILLing people with GNU multiboot
ocean ore
yo guys i set up the open fartware virtual memory calls correctly
can load binary now
what if the x86 BIOS also had virtual memory calls
what if the x86 BIOSes (all of them including UEFI) didnt suck and i actually liked them
intel has a midas touch to make everything suck except the instruction manuals
honestly let AMD make the new tech and intel just writes the manuals
atp its more practical to call intel a book publishing corporation
raw prairie
what if the x86 BIOSes (all of them including UEFI) didnt suck and i actually li...
I’m pretty sure UEFI has these lol
ocean ore
I’m pretty sure UEFI has these lol
true
raw prairie
Also x86 paging is easy lol
raw prairie
usable, even <:trl:829316641191886888>
How do you like power pc paging
raw prairie
ocean ore
I AM BUY ULTRAKILL
I AMP URCAHASE ULTARKRILL
I AM IN THE POSSESSION OF THE ULTRAKRILL
break from kvass today i have the ultrakrill in my possession
be afraid mortals
ocean ore
its so joever
safe silo
what if earthbound was politically incorrect and the final boss ███ giygas ██ ██...
better censorship than the epstein files
ocean ore
better censorship than the epstein files
real
i got to level 5-1, i remembered the track is called deep blue
favorite level automatically, the music is named after a powerpc machine
it has epic sax solo too
ocean ore
fraud was certainly an experience of my life
send help
what if when i get kvass to userspace im gonna make a game
platformer or shooter idk
its not gonna be good enough if my ibook doesnt actively LAG from some of the parts in it
(no im gonna optimize it its just that its gonna have to lag probably )
8 megoboytes o' video WHAM