Kvass (vibecoden't)

[ocean ore]

so if you really hate yourself you can use this with like autoconf somehow or smth 😭

[ocean ore]

well crap i have to iterate through submenus somehow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_traversal

WIKIPEDIA GHELP MEEEEEEEEEE

i knew i was going to hate the makefile compiling part

the time has come

[ocean ore]

i forgot this was an OS once

how interesting

i definitely need to get my crap together in the resurrecting greg thing because im sure he's absolutely DONE with sitting in limbo for so long

[ocean pasture]

Is this not a OS all of a sudden?

[ocean ore]

well no its still an os

[ocean ore]

i feel like x86 gregloader will be pointless so whenever i do x86 i might use mb2 or limine depending on cpu arch

no point in making people use a non standard protocol for this crap

however sparc gregloader though

im not bothering with sparc yet tho

[raw prairie]

Why not my boot protocol for x86

It uses MB2 but gives a better interface

Then for x86-64 use limine

[ocean ore]

because PAE

[ocean ore]

hmmmmmmm

nah

i need support for non pae

[raw prairie]

Il do that then

And I was gonna do it anyways later

Also aparently PAE is almost never needed

And it’s slower

So PAE is what’s not being supported

[ocean ore]

im 90% certain you're nuking allat just so i used your EVIL protocol of doom

fine ima add support for it

honestly i wanna port gregloader to x86 because why not lololol

braindead protocols of doom

[ocean ore]

yes im gonna do the unholy thing and write my own bootloader while fully having an option to use a pre existing one

what are you gonna do about it, tell me to use limine?

im literally making a 32 bit limine ripoff anyway

port it to 64 bit tho and real crap unfolds

honestly i feel like x86 greg is only useful for 32 bit since no limine

ima just use mb2 (and maybe evalyn's jank) for my kernel anyway

[ocean ore]

i should finish the powerpc crap first of all

anyways i want a device tree

itll be really funny to put everything in a devtree

[ocean ore]

1. epical
2. yall should join kvass matrix

its goal is to be a progress thread once discord gets nuked MUAHAAHAHAHAHAH

anyways so when i get home i should start posting on the Kbas matrbox(tm)

[ocean ore]

John petergriffin

[raw prairie]

You should fix your code enough to be put on the git

[ocean ore]

"fix" and "kvass"

[raw prairie]

Put enough duct tape and hot glue on it to be able to put it on the git

[ocean ore]

duct tape and hot glue in THIS economy?!?!?!?

[ocean ore]

BEHOLD!!! SHAMELESS PLUG

[next beacon]

i love checking on kvass and seeing schizo rants

reminds me of my thread

[ocean ore]

real

join kvass matrix we need schizo rants outlawed on discord

anyways i didnt do anything useful today my brain got fried by school

[next beacon]

same

all i did was make my vmm a bit safer

becuase there was some race conditions

smp is scary

[ocean ore]

qemu cant even emulate powerpc smp

i wish i had it itll be funny as frigg

[next beacon]

dont u have real hardware tho?

[ocean ore]

out of the 32 bit macs only very high tier power mac g4's have multiple CPUs

[ocean ore]

one ibook and thats it

probably higher tier model because it has a 20 gb hard drive instead of 15 by default

i upgraded it to 30 gigs

[next beacon]

dang that was a lot of storage back then

now thats not even enough to install fortnite

[ocean ore]

games these days... back in my days games didnt install malware on your computer but we'll forget about starforce for a moment

windows xp taking only 1.5 gb hits hard

and mac os x 10.4 also taking at most 3 gb hits brutally especially because the intel version of the same os takes 2 dvd's

[tough socket]

my most "os kid" trait is how much enjoyment i get out of just booting up and exploring osx 10.4 and other early versions

they look so good

[ocean ore]

my moms yelling at me i was going to post something

[ocean ore]

mine is maybe the windows 7 boot screen

but the 1024x768 full budget one

because i literally crashed out over my netbook not having a high enough resolution to display it

like i got the windows 7 sure but i want the full screen it shipped with

not the off brand vista one

os x 10.8 hits hard for me too

idk my dad had a vm with it

he's like a total mac hater but he still needed a mac vm for something

[frigid basin]

same

[ocean ore]

same

some dude worshipping powerpc keeps posting unrelated crap on an osdev server

beyond stupid

[ocean ore]

when i get home i have to implement a recursive search of submenus 😭

i have an idea of a linked list where first a root entry is present, it is searched and then its marked as searched, and then all the entries not marked as searched are searched for submenus

when they are searched they are obviously marked as searched

when i hear the word "searched" i feel uncomfortable for some reason

[raw prairie]

Why do you need to make it recursive

Just cache a list of all of the menus / options

So search is easy

[ocean ore]

theres no way we're cancelling the word "search" and word searches but we're searching and im not searching for a search replacement

[raw prairie]

Even implement fuzzy searching

[ocean ore]

i forgot what recursive means too

[ocean ore]

thats what im doing

im caching the submenus

[raw prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1467543690200219659/1473497370359762985/IMG_2998.gif

[ocean ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420566657541214320/1468828977706832179/ezgif-306d93eac6eb2f4e.gif

[raw prairie]

When kvass fork

[ocean ore]

idk

is fork easy to implement actually

the instruction pointer is gotta be somewhere

[raw prairie]

When syscall happenes

You know the IP

[ocean ore]

on powerpc its probably dumber somehow

i feel it

😭

[raw prairie]

Well whenever you do a context switch

Interrupt or systemcall

Which is sometimes same thing

The IP has to be somewhere on the stack

Or on a register

[ocean ore]

powerpc has a system call

[ocean ore]

ik

on x86 ik

[raw prairie]

This is what x86-64 does

BTW

[ocean ore]

on this page you can also see that no stack is used

[ocean ore]

fair

the data is loaded to registers tho

its like cr2 on a page fault i guess

[raw prairie]

I assume SRR0 is not a GPR

[ocean ore]

ig

srr1 is used for paging

wait

WHAT DID THEY DO TO SRR1 😭

[ocean ore]

srr1 is not used for paging

thats the save restore register

the storage register 1 though

sdr1

thats paging

also theres "external" and "decrementer" interrupts

all i know about the decrementer is that its a timer of some sorts

ITS ALL ON ONE CHIP

[raw prairie]

wait are you finnaly making kvass

[tropic tusk]

interrupts are easy

[ocean ore]

no im just reading about fartsPC

i cant compile an OS with no bootloader nor makefile

[ocean ore]

they look pretty nice

[tropic tusk]

you have a bunch of vectors in either low physical memory (0x0000xxxx) or high physical memory (0xfff0xxxx, usually this is ROM and you don't touch this)

[ocean ore]

is the table always at 0 tho

[tropic tusk]

most of them are for exceptions because somebody did something stupid

[ocean ore]

mk

[tropic tusk]

notably there's vectors for the decrementer (timer) and external interrupt (IRQs)

[ocean ore]

usually mac rom is like very very high up in memory i think

[ocean ore]

yeah ik

external, decrmenter, system call

[tropic tusk]

yup

but yeah you just dump code at those addresses and they get ran

[ocean ore]

fair?? 😭

[ocean ore]

so straight up just have handler code at these addresses???

seems insane ngl

[tough socket]

its more common than what x86 does

it removes a fetch of the vector address so its simpler

another case where x86 is the odd one out here and confused for the norm due to ubiquity

[tropic tusk]

Yes

Usually you put a very tiny stub there since you don’t get much room

See src/exception* in https://github.com/Wii-Linux/NPLL for a simple example of a way to do it

[ocean ore]

yeah i see

[ocean ore]

fair

[tropic tusk]

(The exception glue is generic, IRQ stuff is specific to the GCN/Wii/Wii U)

[ocean ore]

found this big dum table in the manual

[ocean ore]

fair

irq are obv hardware specific

[ocean ore]

the person who made this looks familiar

@tropic tusk ok so it seems like your handler just saves regs, does funny asm ritual and jumps to c handler with return from interrupt command i think

is this type of crap straight up what i need to put in wherever the desired handler table entry is at???

can the vector table be mapped to that in virtual memory

[ocean ore]

oh

how effective

one reason why you shouldnt map your kernel at 0 in any architecture

ever

dont do that

literally dont do that

world tour into the motorola manual

time for it to confirm what ive thought for the past 10 minutes

unless this chapter is wrong

in which case i might not be smart enough to osdev

[raw prairie]

you cant even do this in IA-16

[tough socket]

ppc is strange in that it disables paging when an exception occurs

and the vectors are iirc in low phys mem

[ocean ore]

what 😭

store sdr1 in r69420

[raw prairie]

honestly this is good?

so a PF cant lead to a system reset

meaning you could panic in the case of fucked up mappings

[tough socket]

its not good because 99.99% of the time you just have a trampoline there that enables paging and jumps to the real handler

so you just waste cycles

[ocean ore]

this

first thing that came into my mind is "fine im just reenabling paging"

[ocean ore]

TREE PARSER WORKS

also the parser is violently broken

you better obey the syntax CAREFULLY or you will literally explode

sometimes blank spaces with nothing on them break

somehow

miracle

also this is what the string said

this should be valid syntax btw

kate is crashing out a little

it does work

i am NOT a parser person 😭

this idiot is getting reused everywhere no matter how broken it is

also someone rate my code quality i think it sucks bad

the misleading variable names are probably the worst

DT is actually a tree entry and it stands for like directory tree or smth but i havent bothered to rename it

this entire program is just linked list abuse

straight up

😭

its all linked lists

its violent link list abuse

[ocean ore]

menu savequit is used because i dont have any function to free my linked list crap and quit without saving

also this is the makefile compiler

im almost done with making this idiot

it made a makefile

finally

one finished kvass thing

ONE

documentation time

im actually gonna add some miscellaneous features

1. built makefile (configs) are gonna have comments from what submenu the keys are from
2. i added menu descriptions

i need more features

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

el radio

not "sets"

😭

[ocean ore]

i wrote spec

[ocean ore]

build system go open source tomorrow

everything is ready

we need grand opening of borscht

[raw prairie]

No vectors

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

They are better you know

In every single possible case always

[ocean ore]

whut

[ocean ore]

ehhh i dont know they exist

anyways so bootloader dev today finally

i need terminal emulator

crap

i have the forbidden urge of a kernel level WM again

[ocean ore]

honestly i keep considering using flanterm but like ehhhh

nah

[safe silo]

he means dynamic arrays i think

[raw prairie]

I’m not a he 😭

[frigid basin]

it

[ocean ore]

michael jackson vs taylor swift pronouns

anyways i did a round of google minesweeper in exactly 90 seconds

its the easy one am i cooked

[ocean ore]

i wrote several terminal cancer emulators

they all sucked badly

i dont think flanterm will break or anything but nah i wanna make my own itll probably be better suited for kvass

WRONG! ENDIANNESS ISSUE!

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-off-mngani-spartan-gif-23659873

[ocean ore]

on this one ill probably use psfs and ansi codes for everything

i should honestly make a small version first and use it in greg then extend it in a greg demo kernel

OR USE FRIGGEN SDL

anyway ima probs make the terminal support escape codes, make it portable and upload it into a different repo

also write a comically small printf without floats ive never even touched them in programming

float support might be tolerable on powerpc

it has an fpu built in at all times i think

[ocean ore]

actually ima be honest, i never ever use printf in kernel programming

i never get to implementing the idiot

i still can print fine so i dont have to use it

if anything the printf probably goes to a userspace implementation

with floats

if i want a float to ascii converter then farts gpt is gonna program that for me because im not doing that myself

its either farts gippity or its forum searching

[safe silo]

she*

[ocean ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420566657541214320/1468828977706832179/ezgif-306d93eac6eb2f4e.gif

i need to make a fork bomb that does this gif and then splits in half

or maybe that stupid firework demo

or maybe the friggin kernel first

ok yeah so when i get home ima go make gregloader use the now finished borscht, and make like a terminal emulator

idek

work on protocol

honestly greg needs a protocol first and a fancy menu later

maybe

maybe

ok so ive decided im gonna make a horribly basic terminal emulator for gregloader and then add escape code support to the actual kvass kernel version

ansi crap

or not

we dont need thoas friggen Escape Codes(tm)

or do we

well crap

roadblock

i think im just gonna add support for them in userspace "PRINT" syscall

or smth like that

i want a syscall to print into terminal and use a "WRITE" call for files

i feel like the most important syscalls i need to add when i get to userspace would be like TERMINAL_PRINT, FILE_OPEN, FILE_READ, FILE_WRITE, MEM_ALLOC, MEM_FREE

the weirdest idea i have for kvass is to have processes get an sdl like canvas with surfaces if they want one

have a graphics mode syscall or smth GFX_MODESET (but also have one to set a screen resolution if supported SCREEN_MODESET)

these definitely aint final

there also needs some way to read directories etc etc

[frigid basin]

as someone who averages 40s, maybe

[ocean ore]

do an "everything is a file" and have a DEVICE_MAKEVIRTUAL command with some of the permitted types being GFX_LINEARFB, GFX_VTERM and GFX_OBJECTCANVAS and have a DEVICE_USEOUTPUT with arguments for "output device path" (maybe a GPU) and "file pointer" where your newly created device is and then that device is used now

[ocean ore]

fair

[ocean ore]

no but "everything is a file" is indeed quite based

have a flag for DEVICE_MAKEVIRTUAL where your device gets deleted if the app is quit

(its gonna switch to whichever virtual output device was used before the app was ran)

also add an option for a parent app (like a window manager) to force their children apps to have their virtual video outs not take the full screen

DEVICE_MAKEPSEUDOPHYSICAL, DEVICE_GETCHILDVIRTUALDEVS

im certain everyone will enjoy kvass programming

[ocean ore]

DEVICE_MODIFYVIRTUALDEVICEPSEUDOPHYSOUTPUTATTRS

aint no systemcall in murica like a kvass systemcall 😭

[raw prairie]

What if you made everything a file

Even system calls

[ocean ore]

[raw prairie]

So you just have open() close() read() write() ioctl()

[ocean ore]

nah

i want the 9000 systemcalls

[raw prairie]

Why not make kvass a micro kernel

And only have IPC and some basic memory etc

[ocean ore]

thats what i want to do

it just has a crap ton of systemcalls and abstraction support

[ocean ore]

so a physical device is like an actual device with a driver (GPU), a virtual device is abstract crap that outputs into a physical device (can be used for like video games), and pseudophysical devices are treated by virtual devices as physical, however they are actually a canvas for virtual devices and they themselves are a virtual device too (that can be used for window managers, where you may want terminal output and other crap)

i feel like this crap does make sense however its just a lot of it so people may not like it

you can do the same with audio, you have a physical device for some friggin texas instruments chip, you have a virtual device in a game that outputs to it, or it can output to a pseudophys which has several audio sources blasting into it

[fierce river]

microkernels and monoliths are MID, Modularus is BASED
-# \j

[ocean ore]

my higher ups measure my effectiveness in system call count

[ocean ore]

so now the sane systemcalls for an AVERAGE program are TERMINAL_PRINT, FILE_OPEN, FILE_CLOSE, FILE_READ, FILE_WRITE, MEM_ALLOC, MEM_FREE, DEVICE_MAKEVIRTUAL, DEVICE_DELETEVIRTUAL, LINEFB_GETBUFFER, GFX_MAKEOBJECT, GFX_GETOBJECTBUFFER (can be used as framebuffer with alpha channel actually doing something), GFX_MODIFYOBJECTATTRS (change xy position), GFX_REFRESH, AUDIO_OUTPUT, AUDIO_CHANGEVDEVATTRS and more

microkernel with 9000 syscalls vs sane monolithic kernel

[ocean ore]

again they arent final but most of them most likely will be used in kvass when i get to it

you get easy window manager development though

these instruction manuals are gonna be like the powerpc ones, 10 pages per SECTION

device abuse

you can have a pseudophysical device as a child of another one

you can run a window manager in another WM

holy crap thats cool

[ocean ore]

i dont even need x11 as the only windowing system i can just run that crap inside another WM

its like mac os 9 classic

seamless x11

add GREENSCREEN SYSTEM CALL

is this kvass config file

[ocean ore]

ok so my crash out over systemcalls was a bit much but i still want to do it

kvass wasnt ever unix, im not required to have unix calls anyway

[next beacon]

These variable names

[next beacon]

I don’t even have an alloc/free syscall

Something like mmap() is better

[ocean ore]

what is mmap

[ocean ore]

kvass local variable names are literally evil

[next beacon]

Unix syscall

[next beacon]

It seems like you hate snake_case

[ocean ore]

nah snake_case is fine i just like camelCase more

[ocean ore]

i was going to log into evalyn's git thing but the password is a [some type of serial number] of a macbook so i have to boot it up now

[raw prairie]

You used an email to sign up

Just send a password reset

[ocean ore]

ehhh whatever

i logged in

https://git.evalyngoemer.com/kvass

have your fricking source code

@raw prairie

idk its your server get informed

[raw prairie]

Oh noooo the hard drives have failed

Kvass is no more

Sorry

[ocean ore]

FU

[raw prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/were-sorry-tony-hayward-south-park-s14e11-coon2rise-of-captain-hindsight-gif-22864475

Just kidding

Lmfao

[ocean ore]

"oops, we're sorry to inform you we locked out of your console which YOU bought for an overprice" - nintendo, 2025

[raw prairie]

[ocean ore]

to be fair theres less incidents of that variety nowadays

[raw prairie]

If the hard drives ever have any errors your in the discord server that will ping me when they are failing so

[ocean ore]

fair

anyways now use it in prism or you will be publicly executed and im moving to codeberg

/j

[ocean ore]

oh also this might be the best repo description i wrote

now gregloader time

[raw prairie]

I’m too burnt out to work on prism rn ngl

I need to actually take a break from shit

[ocean ore]

oh ok fair

[raw prairie]

M

Bur Spamton said this

[ocean ore]

you should still use it, its funky menus /hj

[ocean ore]

:(

[raw prairie]

For my next project I will use your build system though

Maybe not for a kernel

But like somthing smaller

[ocean ore]

its not even a build system it mainly just generates makefile syntax config files

which is probably a build system

[raw prairie]

I also wanted to make my own TUI shit with ncurses snd shit

[ocean ore]

we ignore that

[ocean ore]

i didnt use ncurses, im simply too based for it

anyways i need to go fix a borscht bug where it segfaults if no section was found

then im gonna actually use it in greg

[tropic tusk]

hopefully unredacted
bro is shipping the epstein files or something

[ocean ore]

thats the joke

[tropic tusk]

[ocean ore]

its like the epstein files

theyre supposedly unredacted

allegedly

borscht update - fixed segfault if the config file is blank

anyways greg time

CRAP I FORGOT TO LICENSE IT

UHHHHHHHH

BSD 3 CLAUSE

👍

bsd the best fr

[raw prairie]

Lowkey don’t know how to respond

[ocean ore]

9/11

wrong emoji

👍

[raw prairie]

Idk

[ocean ore]

time to read my own specification that i wrote at 22:40 in a heavy rush because bed time is at 23 and i didnt shower

😭

[ocean ore]

RIP

[raw prairie]

Btw now you have a git repo

So you can properly track your code

Lmfao

[ocean ore]

ehhhhhhh

[raw prairie]

Please use git properly

[ocean ore]

oh

oops

guys dont mess around with radio buttons

😭

people bought cyberpunk, so this will be fine

YARRRGHHHHHHh

ok so this crap is urgent its exploding

yall honestly im the only one using this i can rewrite the core part of the syntax

just the radio buttons

[ocean ore]

fixed

now radio button declarations appear in the menu

ah crap new bug

if a text is the last entry then it segfaults if its selected

yall please note you can use borscht you'll just have to update frequently for a bunch of time

[raw prairie]

So like hyprland without the dev that goons publicly on twitter

[ocean ore]

virgin gooner dev of buggy functional product vs chad not gooner dev of buggy purposeless product

[raw prairie]

You could also say hyprland is a buggy purposeless product

[ocean ore]

it probably is

does borscht even have a purpose

i mean just use kconfig

except thats gpl'd but whatever

[raw prairie]

Yeah but it’s borscht

[ocean ore]

why is it better because its borscht

i know yall like ukraine but like

[raw prairie]

Funny name is better

[ocean ore]

virgin gooner dev of buggy product with edgy name that people actually use vs chad borscht developer with product that is not even used at all anywhere and its also named after blood red ukrainian soup

anime tiddies aint worth it

[ocean ore]

somehow borscht actually works

text fields dont explode on me either

the makefile compiler exploded

no, gcc is not your compiler assembler linker and it cannot be your arguments

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

the spanish call this espaguetis

ITS ALL GCC

[ocean ore]

no but this is literally my own reaction to my bugs how did i even

i fixed the idiot

@next beacon man you were right my variable names are horrible

i needed to use idxl instead of idx

[next beacon]

Descriptive and long variable names are very good for code cleanliness

Like for example

buffer more readable than bfr

[ocean ore]

i do use buffer several times tho

[next beacon]

Even better

I wanna see this kvass code

Hurry up and post it somewhere

[ocean ore]

already done

its the build system tho

lemme find it

[next beacon]

WHATT

[next beacon]

You just gave me 8 heart attacks

[ocean ore]

its still kvass

kvass build system™

you're gonna get 9 more when the actual kvass source drops in a few thousand years

https://git.evalyngoemer.com/kvass/borscht

@raw prairie 's server btw

[next beacon]

Fart alloc being the first thing I see is fucking hilarious

[ocean ore]

i ran out of budget

the parser is slightly broken btw im trying to fix it rn

[next beacon]

😭

[ocean ore]

where was a memory access bug

look at what fartalloc actually does

[ocean ore]

LINUX IS LYING TO ME ABOUT FILE LENGTH

BRO

WHAT

maybe i should use stat.h for better recording

bruh

linux sucks

liar liar butt on fire

not even pants, ive burnt enough pants

not even one day and we're on borscht 1.2

😭

and thats not just two updates

i had 1.0a, 1.0b, 1.0c, 1.0d, 1.1a, 1.1b, 1.1ba, 1.2a JUST THIS DAY

3.45va coming out tomorrow

there's a realistic possibility for 6.9kys to release

CRAP AND 1.2 IS BROKEN

1.2b soon

what

NOW THE SAME CODE WORKS?!?!?!?!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

oh

nevermind it doesnt

honestly screw this

rewrite

[ocean ore]

done

i rewrote my stupid parser

it doesnt kill itself anymore

round of applause

we're skipping 1.2b we get borscht 1.3

😭

[ocean ore]

new borscht bug

save load function broke

i got megapranked by myself

in reality the parser was so broken that the load function abused a bug in it

the rewrite fixed the idiot and now the load function doesnt work

AINT NO REWRITE IN AMERICA LIKE A KVASS REWRITE

nevermind my braincells are broken

i was thinking of the wrong file

😭

waiter, 300 square kilograms of diet pepsi please

lol i made a syntax error in my own programming language

i really do need the 300 square kilos of pepsi

new borscht release

hopefully no more bugs

at least the evil scary noticeable ones

new borscht update (again)

memory leak fix

we're on 1.3c now

the updates keep coming

wait we're gonna be on 1.3d now i found another thing

1.3d OUT 😭

anyways so time to actually greg

the build system dying isnt the main focus of this thread anyway

more bootloader

borscht dead again

1.3e either today or tomorrow

[ocean ore]

1.3e out i think

[frigid basin]

10 years later we shall see the third complete kvass rewrite from scratch

[ocean ore]

allegedly

the more the progress the worse the rewrite

anyways so i think 1.3e is the first usable borscht version but dont quote me on that

idk

ima use it and see if it doesnt explode

[ocean ore]

also the parser still can segfault on syntax errrors

if you forget to put a % on the section name you will segfault

also ima make gregloader use that same parser

same syntax

i need to parse ofw's stdin somehow

i hope its like ansi compliant and allat

yada yada

[raw prairie]

You should like

Fix this

[ocean ore]

no

it drives the point harder

anyways so gregloader menu might require a keyboard driver

found this in the mac os x bootloader code

magnificent crap aple

i know you dont need more keys for this but like

also greg is gonna enumerate pci in the protocol

idk i think its useful

maybe have a device tree

[tough socket]

What's bad about this

[ocean ore]

idk honestly

i expected like a scancode array

[tough socket]

"Errrm I know from yandere dev memes that you're supposed to use an array here" who cares. probably it was faster to write it like this when it was a couple keys and they just kept adding more keys and didn't change it and that's fine

it works

[ocean ore]

i still made a message bubble of it

[raw prairie]

A compiler will probably optimize that just fine and a switch case for this is still plenty fine

[ocean ore]

honestly i want to use a switch case anyway

[raw prairie]

My doom generic port does that for its scancode parser esp since I have different behavior on certain things

[ocean ore]

for the arrow keys and enter

[tough socket]

This is the kind of code people would pull up to call like piratesoftware or yanderedev hack frauds and it was always hard to take it seriously because it's pretty typical code

[fierce river]

They wrote what was actually only necessary imo

[ocean ore]

i literally do it in borscht

[raw prairie]

The issue with yandere devs if else chains and other shit is the pure huge ass size of it and fact there ARE much better ways to do it where as in that a switch case is possibly more readable than an array

[tough socket]

Those two have other things wrong with them but especially piratesoftware it was techfluencers picking out like a single extraneous comment and going like "ummm this is unnecessary and anyone in a programming 101 course would never do this. Believe me horde of normies who have never dabbled in this, I'm an expert: this is a sign this guy is a FUCKING moron."

[raw prairie]

And the people saying “use a switch case” and dumb because the compiler will optimize them both to the same thing in this modern age

[tough socket]

That was decompiled code. It's very probable he did it as a switch statement and the compiler just rendered it that way

[ocean ore]

is c# compiled somehow?

wait i forgot its bytecode

oops

[raw prairie]

Still there was so much fucking crap in there it’s still bad

Could of been inline though even

[ocean ore]

the game isnt as buggy as i thought when i played it tho

[raw prairie]

It was the performance

[ocean ore]

also did the decompiled code have switch statements anywhere

[ocean ore]

maybe

[ocean ore]

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!!! DUM DUN DUN DUN DUNDUNDUND DUND UND DNUD DUDDUDU DUD UMDU MDUMD UDMUDM DUDUDUDUDU

POWOPOWOPWOPW OWOPWOPWOP OPWOPW OPWWOOPWOPWOPWOPPOW OPFOPAO FPBOPABOP bfsht bfhst shb... BAOWGP OBW OPBBOWPBWOPPB POWPOWPO WPOPWOWOPOPWOPW BOBOBPWOWOWOPWOWPOPW MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!

DUDUDUDUDDU DUDUDUD DUDU DUDU UDUD [orchestralHit.wav] RIDDOD OUDO UODDOU IDOODUDOUPD [Music]

anyways so like

i forgot

i need to somehow figure out how to get key input in openfartware

maybe use the stdin

i hope it gives ansi codes

thats the only reasonable option anyway

im thinking of moving to codeberg

last time i trusted one person my house got nuked by russians

in minecraft

now i dont want kvass to be nuked by @raw prairie in git

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1467543690200219659/1474450452492980254/speechmemified_Screenshot_20260220_105740_Chrome.gif.gif

[raw prairie]

🤫

[ocean ore]

shhh what

reveal intentions NOW

[raw prairie]

I’m making a joke

Lmfao

[ocean ore]

oh yeah? 911, send a SWAT team

https://klipy.com/gifs/meme-memes-128

im just gonna mirror there

[raw prairie]

Noooo

I promise

All my projects are there too lmao

If it goes down my shit does too

[ocean ore]

rm -rf's dont always have to target /

i mean fair enough

[raw prairie]

What the fuck would I even gain from that

[ocean ore]

what did the russians had to gain from blowing up my house in minecraft /hj

[raw prairie]

They were assholes

I’m not an asshole

[ocean ore]

the russians probably have a chance of blowing up my house in REAL LIFE TOO /NOTJOKE

[ocean ore]

understandable

you are now trustworthy, allegedly

no but fr

[raw prairie]

If I did that to you on purpose

My reputation would be ruined

Here and elsewhere in my professional life

[ocean ore]

why do the russians like blowing up houses so much anyway

[ocean ore]

fair

[ocean ore]

they send nukes, they use tnt in minecraft, they ddos servers in the hope of them combusting from the requests

aint no way theres not a russian house explosion conspiracy

[ocean ore]

i have an idea for an april fools joke

make the installer do the orbit ball pit at the end of setup

if you fail the ball pit then your hard drive gets nuked

actually what if i make it an actual thing

give you a badge on the about screen saying you did the ball pit

build system works

oh

yall new borscht update dropped (1.3f)

description printer killed itself i resurrected it

[next beacon]

You ok man?

Kvass rants are getting more concerning 😭

[next beacon]

Why are u making so many releases

Releases should be for actual significant feature updates

[ocean ore]

because stupid bugs i keep running into exist

there's 1.3fa

[next beacon]

That’s insane

In my time, I’ve only released my os 4 times

[ocean ore]

its not major enough to have a 1.3g

[next beacon]

☠️💀

Bruh 😭😭

[ocean ore]

the fact that the spec wasnt updated since 1.0d is quite insane

theres like a trillion bugfix releases after that

[ocean ore]

also theres now 1.0a, 1.0b, 1.0c, 1.0d, 1.1a, 1.1b, 1.1ba, 1.2a, 1.3a, 1.3b, 1.3c, 1.3d, 1.3e, 1.3f and 1.3fa

1.3a was the only significant one because i rewrote the parser due to a crash out yesterday

im pretty sure all these releases came out yesterday too

when you're a archlinux dev in a "who can make the most releases in a day" competition and your competitor is borscht

im worried @raw prairie 's server is thinking im starting a ddos attack

[ocean ore]

also if im making a major borscht update then im probably gonna make a bunch of cosmetic changes to it and like pretty graphics and crap

[raw prairie]

It should be fine

[ocean ore]

true

i was joking mainly

because all of this was done yesterday

😭

"MADE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"

theres no such thing as a stable kvass project release

[ocean ore]

there should be an update where things appear depending on what value a toggle is

[ocean ore]

oh dont you love it when your room smells like cigarettes when you know nobody smoked here

its so messy here man i feel like the dust in my room will give me lung cancer

how do i even clean this crap

holy crap

genuinely

i wish the floor wasn't a CARPET

WHY IS IT A CARPET

YOU AMERICANS ARE DERANGED

WHY IS THE FLOOR A CARPET????????

LRKQRIJQWLKE>QW<JEOIQWKLE><QJWMEIOQKLW<>EJQWME

anyways im thinking of adding various cosmetics to borscht

background color, the ability to change icons, etc

[ocean ore]

i wouldve used my computers on the floor, the fricking floor has insane thermal conductivity everywhere i was

but no, its one table, and when it gets dusty i have to become mr proper

THERES NO MR PROPER HERE ANYWAY

YOU CALL IT MR CLEAN

i can not for the life of me tolerate living here forever

its literally a liminal space

[ocean ore]

actually idk whats the use for this

maybe someone can use this idk

bloat?

[ocean ore]

im so done man these social medias are probably literally of the devil

i cant quit its an addiction

they were right

ITS THE PHONE

anyways so like im working on the cosmetic crap for borscht

background colors

backgrounder colors

front background colors

back foreground colors

maybe add ASCII art for about screen or smth

[pliant glen]

linux

[ocean ore]

linux what

[pliant glen]

all of them

[frigid basin]

high poly toothbrush

[ocean ore]

anyways so im making borscht 2 and that idiots goal is to get a crap ton of graphical improvements

and also general user stuff

stuff like positions for things not conflicting, better input type editing, themes (the coolest one probably)

themes are probably gonna let you change icons for things, like you can change the [ ] and [x] of toggles to something like ON or OFF

also obviously colors

there's also an exit type, which when selected quits and saves the programs as if you exited it manually

[ocean ore]

by better input type editing i mean probably letting you insert between characters

my only hope is that you wont think of my visual update the same way as most of you probably think about windows 11 (to be fair if you like windows 11 you might be too stupid to talk in this thread or in this entire server and then also have people actually like talking to you)

(idk its a pattern ive noticed )

https://git.evalyngoemer.com/kvass/borscht/releases

releases

MUAHAHAHAHAHAH

[ocean ore]

i need to work on making greg actually compile again

evil bootloader of evil

i look at r/osdev and i feel jealous of the ai slop people

their OS at least exists

😭

[fierce river]

evil greg bootloader

[ocean ore]

fartloader

[fierce river]

[fierce river]

saying its "theirs" is false

[ocean ore]

i guess

[ocean ore]

actually idk

they at least can be satisfied that they have something

maybe bash, idk

and my thing is a literal hampster wheel

[ocean ore]

THEMES!!

also from now on 80x25 is the minimum terminal size

still no OS

i need OS soon or i will get eradicated out of existence

[raw prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-joe-joe-taken-away-gif-17520860855595872089

[ocean ore]

literally

im either getting eradicated for meming about the limine and flanterm combo or im getting eradicated for not having an actual OS somehow

i made the radio buttons blue with the funny theme thing

it looks cursed i want them to be magenta

if your radio buttons arent magenta i will personally come and burn your house

EVIL borscht

yo i just noticed kde decided to do a funny

I KNOW THE TIME ALREADY 😭

[ocean ore]

i made a fluxer account without the idiot exploding

@raw prairie send link to your crap

[raw prairie]

I already did

Twice 🥀

[ocean ore]

im blind

MUAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHAH

bruh it still doesnt want to run on macos

i joined

crap i forgot display name

[ocean ore]

https://fluxer.gg/gFntJ8mF

kvass fluxer

whenever the age verification is enforced this thread is gonna be air striked in the name of nothing

[ocean ore]

also its legit, its on The List(TM) on the osdev server

[next beacon]

It doesn’t even let me join

I put in my name and birthday and it just freezes

It just does this bs

[ocean ore]

oh, their server is a bit cooked

[ocean ore]

broke 😭

consistently spam it and hope it doesnt explode itself

also did you give it your email it just looks like you havent

giving services emails is based /hj

im worried your account isnt even passworded somehow

[next beacon]

It doesn’t have an option for that

[ocean ore]

sob

[next beacon]

Or an option for a password

[ocean ore]

maybe itll give it to you later

[next beacon]

Lemme try to make my own acc seperately

Through their website

[ocean ore]

k

their clients are broken

mac os broke, linux broke

[next beacon]

BRUH

[ocean ore]

AAAAAA

el horrible

[ocean ore]

again keep spamming it, it shouldnt explode

the captcha failed two times for me

many people are switching so the server is crashing out

[next beacon]

I’ve been trying

[ocean ore]

understandable

[ocean ore]

maybe wait for like 30 minuets i literally have no idea

[next beacon]

😞

[ocean ore]

at least you registered

😭

[next beacon]

OMG IT WORKED

[ocean ore]

YOOOOOOOOOO

verify email it sent a link to your mailbox

[next beacon]

Yeah I did

Now im trying the link you gave

No luck

[ocean ore]

oof

try again

it works like utter pee poo pee pee

[next beacon]

Surely there has to be an alternative platform

This is dogshit and piss

FINALLY

IT WORKED

IM IN

[ocean ore]

LETS TGOOOOOO

[ocean ore]

no

the osdev server is there

@next beacon i pinged you the fluxer osdev server

[next beacon]

I tried sending a msg

In the el general chat

[ocean ore]

works i guess

[ocean ore]

anyways so like, fluxer

yall should join fluxer in general

you dont have to be a kvass fanatic

theres the entire OSdev server on there

its worth it

there are no spies

[ocean ore]

this thread is gonna probably be abandoned anyway

and my account might disappear

because im gonna nuke it

[raw prairie]

@ocean ore guess who was right

and that you should of open soureced greg loader on my server sooner

it fucking got biden blasted

(related to the convo on fluxer)

(#fluxer)

[ocean ore]

indeed it was

join the osdev fluxer and you can get access to my fluxer so you can get more context because i dont feel like sharing the link again

advertisement for an advertisement

[raw prairie]

@ocean ore this time

keep it open

the entire time

and commit regularly

[ocean ore]

awhh

[ocean ore]

hallelujah the crapcords delayed age verification

kvass osdev progress on discord again lest they do some stupid crap

their blog post is pretty convincing

so basically, gregloader got wiped off my hard drive due to an unfortunate accident and i have to rewrite it

[ocean ore]

upside: better code

also i wanna move to codeberg because its actually somewhat popular

nothing against anyone, its just that people register there

anyways so i want my os to genuinely resemble open firmware at least in the device structure a little

maybe devices need their own vfs due to my questionable plans

the device vfs is probably gonna have mountpoints

/ devices
/hd/ or whatever can be a file vfs of the common unix or nt or whatever style variety

NT larp with open firmware device system running on a power macintosh

whoever convinced people windows NT kernel was actually cool they're probably behind drug addictions in the human brain

conclusion: NT gets larped so much because it has a cool boot screen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1132341895717208116/1475556674977927351/speechmemified_images.gif.gif

where pixels

but whatever yall know how the nt boot screen looks like

[frigid basin]

make kvasscript when

[ocean ore]

what

[frigid basin]

templeos has holyc
what will kvass have

oh wait i might be dumb, nvm

[ocean ore]

maybe

anyways so im gonna get home and do the bootloader

i want a protocol that also enumerates required devices for you

basically pci or whatever other crap is in open firmware

enumerate usb at boot

[ocean ore]

this might seem pointless but it provides a bunch of crap

i should add serial support

[ocean ore]

like computer model

you can pull out the exact computer model id

store a device in the tree named sysinfo and rominfo with the props stolen from open farts

in /desc/ somewhere

im thinking of the device thing structure itself

on one hand adding nodes for types like graphics or audio makes sense but what about obscurer stuff

should drivers be able to make their own device types

if someone makes something like USBwacomDrawingTabletPen/wacomDrawingTabletPen_PhysicalDevice i hope they get crucified

thats the problem on one hand

device types aint standardized

[raw prairie]

[ocean ore]

unless outage

in which case im switching for a week

[ocean ore]

MICROSOFT IS THAT YOU

BEGONE IN THE NAME OF OWNERSHIP

[raw prairie]

🤫

[ocean ore]

BEGONE IN OWNERSHIP'S MIGHTY NAME

[raw prairie]

Your code is yours

[pliant glen]

can it be mine too

[raw prairie]

Only if you made it

[pliant glen]

fair point

can i make it

[ocean ore]

no

[pliant glen]

ew no

[ocean ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734354115567812659/1476011101375435002/lololol.gif

[pliant glen]

did you uh finish what you wanted to do yet

[ocean ore]

which is

i have many things i want to do

[pliant glen]

whatever you were doing a month ago

[ocean ore]

no that got nuked because of some fs corruption probably and i have to rewrite it

[pliant glen]

I hate filesystems

[ocean ore]

except mine i have the best fs

[barren sierra]

what is this

[ocean ore]

-# it is not

[ocean ore]

proposed colorado bill to add an age verification interface at account creation and then have every (EVERY SINGLE) app use a syscall to check your age

includes every os created for general purpose computers

no this doesnt exclude even ms dos

[pliant glen]

ok just get rid of colorado

[ocean ore]

go add age verification to boron before its too late

[ocean pasture]

huh

whats so good bout urs

[ocean ore]

it doesnt exist

[ocean pasture]

does it have AI in kernel level??

[ocean pasture]

ohh shii true

[ocean pasture]

someone actually proposed AI in fs

[ocean ore]

no but i have to add kernel level age verification

[pliant glen]

how is this surprising enough to warrant the word actually

[ocean ore]

due to a proposed colorado (and california) law

my filesystem will feature age ratings for files

[ocean pasture]

ohh yea true

[barren sierra]

lol what

[ocean pasture]

send all the users data to persona yk

[barren sierra]

thats crazy

[ocean ore]

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/SB26-051

Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date or age of the user of that device to provide a signal regarding the user's age bracket (age signal) to applications available in a covered application store;

[barren sierra]

thats dubm

*dumb

[ocean ore]

Provide an application developer (developer) that requests an age signal, with respect to a particular user, the technical ability to call an age signal via a reasonably consistent real-time application programming interface that identifies, at a minimum, the user's age-bracket data; and

[ocean ore]

its schizophrenic

we can definitely know how old american politicians are

im certain they only know of the existence of "android", "windows", "mac os x" and "ios"

maybe they know linux exists but they think its like windows where its only one single os

[gloomy mist]

no they're only thinking of mobile devices

because they're thinking 1 to 1 mapping of user vs device

and an integrated walled garden app store

[ocean ore]

true

[gloomy mist]

the whole premise falls apart the minute you introduce running arbitrary apps or compiling things from source

[ocean ore]

gcc age verification

[ocean ore]

true though

but the braindead part is that every os in colorado should implement age verification

not even every app store, just every os

[gloomy mist]

also the whole concept:

the os will somehow detect if the user is lying and if it thinks they are (OSes think now???) it will use "other methods"

whole leaving other methods arbitrary

means it won't pass as a law

other methods could include:

stalking you with a PI
credit checks

[ocean ore]

if it involves espionage itll pass believe me

no but like idk

[gloomy mist]

and it assumes all OSes are American

and are companies

like who do you fine $2500 per child for linux

not lxf, the kernel alone isn't an os

[ocean ore]

true you cant fine torvalds

you cant fine gnu either

because standard c doesnt have a function for that

[gloomy mist]

or Ubuntu, as they don't make the os they package it

or redhat same reason

[ocean ore]

i remember telling my mom linux is literally unsueable if this passes

you cant really find anyone to target

[gloomy mist]

sucks to be American then, good job I'm not

[ocean ore]

im stuck here until i assume late summer this year

[ocean ore]

if world war 2 happened today then germany is gonna get age verification where you have to be less than 18 to enter on adult websites sanctioned on them from another countries for additional emotional warfare

[ocean ore]

man how do i make my room brighter

im depressed why is it so dark

its currently 17:20 in y area

here's an open firmware call macro

idk why i wanted to share it

but like, thats basically what an ofw call is

all 32 bit values including the pointer

idk what happens on 64 bit

insane scary crap

clangd divine crash out

im making software for 32 bit what are you talking about

it stopped the crash out after i told it -m32

[ocean ore]

my windows are so muddy to the point where i opened them my eyes saw real color again