Kvass (vibecoden't)

[ocean ore]

i think i have to use ofw functions for port io at least for now

or like

idk

ima figure it out first

e

i figured it out

i figured out that i NEED TO SLEEP NOW

and also how to do mmio and not go insane

grab address for device somehow, then cope

if stuff i said not makes sense then i neef to reallt sleep

[ocean ore]

ok yeah ima just go slee

powermac

[ocean ore]

6 hours of sleep

school

anyway so theres no port io

the registers are mapped in memory

[muted talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1305395406662012928/1461085614194688050/speechmemified_image-8.gif.gif?ex=696b3fc4&is=6969ee44&hm=f5f5f39fb9ea20daee6bc37fe567ce3a399d0a23ee3d0a7fc389678f6101004b&

[ocean ore]

[ocean ore]

google clanker saved my sanity telling me where the pci farts are memory mapped

after reinspecting the piss yellow dump of doom every device is on pci as expected

im gonna make my own devicetree format so itll be easier to port later

i think

would it?

also torvalds himself said powerpc paging is horrible

im gonna make a repo later with all of the powerpc resources i could find

its really difficult to find anything, making yall suffer would be stupid

nintendo wii programmers should be destroyed tho openfirmware only

theres enough docs on that already shoo

[muted talon]

challenge completed

[ocean ore]

ah, piss

did you take the font too

openbios larp

[muted talon]

yep

[muted talon]

lilfont

[ocean ore]

ok so for pci stuff you can get the memory location of the registers

honestly thats all i need anyway

like memory map

though i have to abuse virtual memory

because the registers can be anywhere

i think i literally need a bootloader but idk

[ocean ore]

https://yarchive.net/comp/powerpc_page_tables.html

told yall already about torvalds' crash out over powerpc paging

behold

THE torvalds crash out

what the frick is an SLB

also im on phone because

1. cant get computer
2. i managed to get google search ai to somehow spew out the URLs for the 2003 instruction manuals

found it

uhh

[ocean ore]

help i cant understand it

wait

IS THIS SEGMENTATION

NO

THE GDT IS BACK

ALERT

WHAT IS A VIRTUAL SEGMENT

IBM

[ocean ore]

bro

ita just a page dir

im dum

[ocean ore]

its worse

holy crap

its so bad i cant understand it

its segmentation mixed with paging

ITS SEGMENTATION MIXED WITH PAGING

I CANT FIND A GOOD EXPLANATION

[next beacon]

FUCK YOU

DIE

THATS MY CODE

😭😭😭

[ocean ore]

ibm should rename itself to international business systems

IBS

[next beacon]

Machines

[ocean ore]

machines

[ocean ore]

nah bro but this is insane

theres 16 registers to store segments

which store some evil crap

which is then mapped to a PT

pt's work like in x86 from my understanding

WHY CANT THERE JUST BE A PAGE DIRECTORY

o

[next beacon]

Pd’s are just… page tables

[ocean ore]

i found motorola's manual

[next beacon]

There’s no difference besides the fact each entry points to a pte

[ocean ore]

yeah ik

the x86 structure i know

powerpc has voodoo black magic with hashmaps and segments with PT's

LITERALLY

[next beacon]

I thought that ppc didn’t have segmentation

Doesn’t it just use pt’s for memory privileges and stuff

[ocean ore]

it doesnt it does

[next beacon]

I haven’t looked into it that much but

[ocean ore]

yes

segments point to pt's somehow

[next beacon]

Oh

That’s cursed

[ocean ore]

again

[ocean ore]

hashmaps too

these exist

for PAGING

[next beacon]

Hash maps are cool tho

[ocean ore]

32 bit effective address is also extended into 48 bit virtual addr

[next beacon]

I use a hashmap for my heap allocation

[next beacon]

Oh

[ocean ore]

that is made into a real addr

physical address in x86

[ocean ore]

fair

i hope motorola's manual is better than IBS's

gonna read that one when i get home

my idea to make a repo with all of the ppc docs neatly collected in there still remains

[ocean ore]

ive gathered all my powerpc crap

im gonna opensource it whenever i opensource kvass

[ocean ore]

yo guys kvass progress time

so i did the ofw dump on real hardware

(like the one i sent yesterday)

pretty cool crap

lemme send one thing thats important though

oops

ok whatever this is important too

BEHOLD

the /chosen node

[ocean ore]

the chosen node has this stdout

and other crap

stdout can be used with write to do a uhhh, stdout, obviously

👍

here it is in QEMU

[ocean ore]

ihandles are used for device operations in openfirmware

[ocean ore]

yo anyone alive im bored

ofw stuff

more functions

should i open source kvass when i get a printf

or some screen output

[ocean ore]

also those three are the original functions

i will send documentation whenever i could

powerpc's stuff is horribly documented making yall look for it will be the most insane thing i have ever asked someone

oh also kate has a really interesting thing i call the replace curtain

straight up it behaves like a curtain it feels like you're physically pulling it out

you pull on the five dots thing

its the coolest thing i have seen in a computer and i do not know why

love it peak design

you can also do CTRL+SHIFT+F or CTRL+R like a sane person

oh

nvm

nah nevermind doing ctrl+r does the same except it doesnt show the preview for the replace function thing

like this

this is the preview fart

replace curtain of doom

Kvass - 32-bit PowerPC operating system

will catch the attention of certain people

Kvass - 32-bit PowerPC operating system (for macs not the wii)

had to specify further

ok so the finddev function returns the code for whatever you search

which here it's the /chosen node

its actually called finddevice

find-device is DIFFERENT

its a function for the openfirmware shell itself

i think i send too much images

STDOUT SOON

theme switch

👍

it bugged

thats what its actually supposed to look like

for some reason the NT port for mac didnt run this

i think im supposed to run it

also everything is a device

its like in unix where everything's a file

in openfirmware everything is a device

wait a minute

[ocean ore]

i have the ihandle already

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[next beacon]

Good stuff

[ocean ore]

it would be if it wrote and displayed my crap

😔

how do i get me an actual framebuffer actually

[next beacon]

Doesn’t open firmware provide one?

I mean how is it writing its stuff to the screen

[ocean ore]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i d k

[ocean ore]

idk

this fart exists

console 😔

this one is in forth

this crap hyperuseless

im gonna look at the windows nt port

https://github.com/Wack0/maciNTosh/tree/main

this is the port btw

i reference it as kind of a documentation

no code stolen frfr

[ocean ore]

my favorite mario enemy

[ocean ore]

properties lel

i am legally required to do some crap with the assigned addresses thing

idk what 😔

wait

so that second value is a 64 bit integer

the first three are a

68 bit integer

[silent jay]

Mushroom Retainers: Sorry Italian Plumber/Doctor/Carpenter/Judge, your Princess Fruity Peach Mushroomstool is inside an other fcking kingdom, you dumb clusterfck

[ocean ore]

mario parody with mushroom retainers when

[silent jay]

seriously, how the f*ck did they even mess up toad's name that badly

lmao

[ocean ore]

WHATEVER unholy creature the ranges variable is i NEED to know what it does

i call upon all the people who implemented PCI

help

i found something on this in the chrp spec

ARE YOU GIVING ME A ROM DUMP FOR PCI

only on the macintosh

yo i think this is why there's no good kernels for powerpc

PowerPC boutta make me want to put a PowerWASHER hose up my PowerMOUTH

ok i went into an actual pci device and did properties

SO WHAT IS THIS

IS THIS GONNA BE WHAT, THE APPLE ID DATABASE PASSWORD

next time anyone calls multiboot2 bad they will get crucified LIVE

oh wait

yooo it has the assigned addresses property

it seems to have 4 memory mappings :0

ok so what does my beloved 132 bit integer actually mean

also yo guys im pretty sure this is big endian

i think its just displaying hex integers

shouldnt matter to yall

https://sametwice.com/of_pci

i have this in my resource thing

assigned-addresses has the same format as reg

what is reg

ohh the search found it instantly

i wonder if its scared of me

one phys addr size pair

uh uh yeah

68 bit physical address and 64 bit size value on a 32 bit cpu

are you REALLY sure

i mean openfirmware is an open spec

its designed to work on many cpus

maybe 64 bit ones as well

why is the physical addr 68 bits though

ibm software department (this) vs ibm hardware department (thinkpads)

i need to remember that the company responsible for this is the same company that MADE THE X86 PERSONAL COMPUTER AS A WHOLE

powerpc macs are the TRUE sequel to ibm's pc

[ocean ore]

ok back to the point

what is a unit address

.

its the only match in the whole document

nvm i typed it with a space instead of a dash

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

MORE
ARTICLES

HOPIUM MUST FLOW

WHAT IS AN assigned-addresses I MUST KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!

ALMOST

YES

YES LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

im adding this fricking document to my openfirmware resources collection

this is the most insane pull ever

i think by publishing the documents someone is gonna make a monopoly instead of me

honestly

openfirmware OS is still too stupidly hard for an average OSdever to implement

im beyond the average limine crowd MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[ocean ore]

"release the files", kvass edition

im gonna promise that nothing is gonna be redacted, and then redact every part that a sane person can actually read

ok so i assume the assigned-addresses property from mac-io and from a pci device (QEMU vga in this case) is reused

[muted talon]

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[ocean ore]

you got a deathwish?

am i even allowed to put publicly accessible pdf's into repos

like if i found the resource on the internet, but then credited the person

again i want to publish the OpenFirmware Files (TM)

i dont think i can :'(

guys im sorry i cant publish the openfirmware files

im not sure about if im allowed to distribute this crap anywhere

ok honestly lemme just link it to the internet archive or smth it should stay there for a very long time

[ocean ore]

guys the openfirmware files will be released

later tho

[muted talon]

i hope they wont be censored

[ocean ore]

shh theyre gonna be unredacted i promise

nothing will be censored vro

frfr

[ocean ore]

NOTHING

i am for real

like theyre gonna be UNREDACTED

[ocean ore]

mushroom retainers

[ocean ore]

ok honestly i should dedicate my project to documenting powerpc

document every action that i do

getting framebuffers and such

[ocean ore]

nevermind im too lazy

🐢

WHAT

i wanted to do the pain emoji but it autocorrected to turtle

[ocean ore]

i figured out why there might be that 68(?) bit number

its actually 96 bits

im dum

anyways so like openfartware's pci supplement states that some devices support 64 bit pci but 32 bit addresses are kept for compatibility

[ocean ore]

ok so the meaning of 0x80000000 as the default boot address is that its the default value of load-base which seems to be the load address

but like idk if its physical or virtual memory

[modern shell]

gawdammit seems like we're having kvass before gta6 😱

[ocean ore]

aint no way to find out where my binary is actually loaded

[ocean ore]

nah

powerpc is evil

[modern shell]

💔 😔

[ocean ore]

its like a week of me working on this theres still no hello world

goodbye universe when

[modern shell]

hey at least it doesnt need a gdt INIT.. OK?
that removes a big obstacle already

[ocean ore]

true

i remembered the nullium paging incident

[modern shell]

real

[ocean ore]

here's paging even worse

[modern shell]

whats that

[ocean ore]

its like segmented or something

literally world war 3

[ocean ore]

ive had another operating system and like i couldnt get paging working for like

idk

literally 9000 years

[modern shell]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-destare-despair-cat-plinker98-gif-6770669073535101617

[ocean ore]

and it was x86

also physical addressing here is called real mode

[modern shell]

so real (quite literally)

[ocean ore]

laugh.jpg

anyways so like theres like 13 documents of doom

or less

whichever number is the chinese number of death

no but like theyre horribly written and i dont think they explain anything

[modern shell]

😭

[ocean ore]

what if i just compile the kernel, put it in an array, and make the openfirmware fart load it

[modern shell]

mm ig there's alot of external docs tho?

[modern shell]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[ocean ore]

maybe

i just started and i already have to abuse PCI

why no vebsa 😔

[modern shell]

🥀

[ocean ore]

broski

MAC QEMU DOESNT COMPLY WITH THE SPEC

its "hfs+ or go die"

[modern shell]

oooo
L

[ocean ore]

only qemu L

anyways i told my binary to get loaded at 2 MiB like a grub multiboot2 binary

but i think it got sent to virtual memory :(

[modern shell]

truly rare L
endangered-species L

[ocean ore]

also apple decided to make the worst trap i have seen in my life

[modern shell]

whar

[ocean ore]

open fartware uses virtual memory

:(

idk how to disable it

or i can but like

[modern shell]

lel

[ocean ore]

enabling the little-endian? variable BRICKS your mac until you somehow reset it

[modern shell]

bruh

[ocean ore]

bruhn't

im worried disabling virtual memory will explode it the same way as little endian

so i want to disable virtual memory in the kernel itself

but where the frick is it even loaded at thats the real question

i have to relocate it to the 2MiB point somehow too

hey mafia

[modern shell]

write pic code til kvass can figure it out

[ocean ore]

holy crap

SMP in 1996

[modern shell]

unironically its much older than thay bruv 🥀

[ocean ore]

AAAAAAAAAAWUIHADUWIH

AUDHAUHGAUHSFSHU

[ocean ore]

true

[ocean ore]

me, literally

[modern shell]

same

guess imma just go eep

[ocean ore]

good night

im gonna go have a war with ClosedFartware

[modern shell]

gngn ^w^

[modern shell]

truly insane

[ocean ore]

WHAT DO I DO PEOPLE I DONT KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING HERE THERE IS NO WAY TO DO ANYTHING WITH A REAL ADDR

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWDIOJAKWDNAWKJDAWD

IM CONFUSED

absolute heart attack

[gloomy mist]

openfartware lol

[barren sierra]

to be fair... you did choose powerpc

[gloomy mist]

openinfirmware

[ocean ore]

aaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeee

ok yeah true i did this to myself

i need to cope

[gloomy mist]

why powerpc?

[ocean ore]

idk

[gloomy mist]

it's pretty much a dead arch isn't it

[ocean ore]

yeah :/

[gloomy mist]

handful of big iron Unix boxes, old mac, Xbox 360

[ocean ore]

true

idk man i wanted to do it for some reason

honestly i need a way to just get a simple function to talk with openfartware, copy the real binary into somewhere, disable all of the stupid memory garbage and then jump there

[barren sierra]

wii

and wii u

[ocean ore]

those two stupid idiots made me do this

like if people can do an os for the wii and wii u

why cant i do it but for a mac they have the same cpu anyway

i got promptly humbled

honestly i should just make a bootloader to do all that

instead of the kernel somehow relocating itself through forbidden voodoo magic

[ocean ore]

im just gonna go write a bootloader i dont even care anymore how "stupid" it is

put it in the same repo as kvass

or not

depends

ok so i can map a real address as a virtual address with some openfirmware crap

GOOD.

imagine you couldnt

i just realized who to truly blame

SUN MICROSYSTEMS

they made the original firmware

ion love you no more sun 😔

ok so i have ingenious idea

bootloader does openfirmware crap

bootloader loads all the required crap into some location

bootloader loads kernel into desired memory location

bootloader enters real mode

bootloader enters kernel

actually put a second bootloader between those ngl

set up virtual memory

dedotated wham

[ocean ore]

misleading message of doom

[gloomy mist]

closedinfirmware

how exactly is openfirmware in any way open lol

love it when corporations misuse that term

open... as in open like your wallet

[ocean ore]

i mean

it's an IEEE standard

for 6 years since 1994

[ocean ore]

closedinfartware*

[ocean ore]

i dont think IEEE standards are exactly free to access though

[gloomy mist]

absolutely not

£600 ish per standard or something?

plus vat

[ocean ore]

WHAT

giveUsYourWalletFirmware

[next beacon]

Or you can pirate it

💀

Pov I’m going to get banned

[ocean ore]

200 GHz power mac g5

[ocean ore]

its freely distributed on the web already

[next beacon]

“Freely” not so much

[ocean ore]

also you should test kvass on your powerbook

[next beacon]

I’m down

[ocean ore]

whatever

[next beacon]

If I can get it to boot

It gets stuck on login

[ocean ore]

when i actually finish it

[ocean ore]

oh

reinstall mac os

[next beacon]

Can u actually help me with that someday

Bc you know a lot about old Mac’s

[ocean ore]

yeah sure

[next beacon]

Thank u bro

❤️

[ocean ore]

you need to get 3 cds tho

cd-rws whatever

cd-r's

[next beacon]

I have a whole stack of them

[ocean ore]

fair

idk dm me if you want to resurrect your stupid powerbook of doom

speaking of old mac os

ive heard the update servers are STILL up

[ocean ore]

it might be 4 if you want to run os9

i think all of the titanium g4s can run it

[next beacon]

Based

[ocean ore]

heard

its time to plug in ethernet cable

mac os tiger (10.4) and above update servers are definitely up but panther (10.3)

i bet they are lel

panther servers are ded

:(

my ibook might have a failing gpu

😔

[ocean ore]

EVERYONE

POWERPC HAS AN eieio INSTRUCTION

THIS IS REAL

IT HAS AN eieio INSTRUCTION

[next beacon]

Average risc instruction name

[ocean ore]

riscv has functions like these?

[tough socket]

Yeah it stands for Ensure Instruction Execution Is Ordered is something

It's a barrier

[ocean ore]

peak RISC architecture

[next beacon]

No just risc architectures in general (Powerpc is risc)

[ocean ore]

ok fair

[ocean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-greenscreen-gif-5649293510147604779

i updated mac os on ibook

[pliant glen]

hey so what mac(s) in specific is this made for

[ocean ore]

32 bit ones

with the 68040

[pliant glen]

i see

[ocean ore]

(does he know)

[pliant glen]

just for that i'm finding a way to emulate it on my wii

[ocean ore]

ok so its made for new world macs

like 2001-2005

except powerpc g5's will work in 32 bit mode because no 64 bit mode yet

[ocean ore]

for that you will be crucified

[pliant glen]

good luck

[ocean ore]

kvass anti-wii security measures

[pliant glen]

anti-virtualization

homebrewing my dolphin and then installing it in an emulator in there

(inside a windows 10 virtual machine)

actually no windows 8

[ocean ore]

what

and so this foolish mind will learn of the horrors of openfirmware

[pliant glen]

beautiful thing

[ocean ore]

let us collectively honor them in our hearts, what a poor, innocent soul

[pliant glen]

i preferred closedfirmware though

[ocean ore]

thats what openfirmware is

its quite closed

[pliant glen]

i preferred [old world rom] though

[ocean ore]

its like that scene in portal 2 where wheatley becomes the glados replacement, and wheatley asks glados if the process will be painful and she tells him "oh believe me it will"

[pliant glen]

probably

[ocean ore]

you should read some of the crap i crash out over in this thread

[pliant glen]

that'd be a good way to spend a weekend

[pliant glen]

unfortunately i'm busy learning why bios refuses to load a second disk and thats gonna take a long while D:

[ocean ore]

good luck with your worldly problems, mortal, i wish i was in your place 😔

[pliant glen]

you're just as mortal, powerpc

[ocean ore]

openfirmware aint

good luck with segmentation for page tables too

[pliant glen]

honestly code either works or it doesnt, difficulty doesnt matter as long as youre getting things done :D

[ocean ore]

actually ykw thats true, nobody uses openfartware, the standard got revoked in 2000, and powerpc is long dead

[ocean ore]

maybe

[pliant glen]

where are you in development here anyway

[ocean ore]

cant get a hello world

cant get a framebuffer

i have no mouth and yet i must scream

[pliant glen]

have you tried breakpoints

thats a c thing i think

[ocean ore]

na

[pliant glen]

last time i touched c was to write a file, never again

[ocean ore]

clinically insane behavior

[pliant glen]

assembly easier for sure

[ocean ore]

how

[pliant glen]

maybe you should write more assembly for this

[ocean ore]

NO NO

BEGONE

IM NOT TOUCHING THAT FORBIDDEN CREATURE

EVER, EVER AGAIN

[pliant glen]

no wonder it doesnt work -u-

[ocean ore]

THERE'S 3 INSTRUCTIONS FOR JUMPING TO AN ADDRESS

[pliant glen]

you gotta do assembly if you wanna do firmware

[ocean ore]

THERE'S 3 INSTRUCTIONS FOR MOVING A VALUE INTO A REGISTER

[ocean ore]

im not "doing" firmware im trying to use it as a bootloader

[pliant glen]

and if you know them well then it's as effective in your mind as none

[ocean ore]

the time must come where i have to touch paging

[ocean ore]

yeah yeah tell me what eieio means

its an instruction

anyways idk powerpc assembly is scary

[pliant glen]

are you going to use that instruction

[ocean ore]

linus torvalds also said himself that the paging is horrible

[ocean ore]

idk

anyways i grant you the title of the insane person here

[pliant glen]

you should face your fear

also why

[ocean ore]

nevermind i take it away i reconsidered

x86 assembly programming isnt that bad

[pliant glen]

it's very confusing

[ocean ore]

i have seen the horrors already i cant call it bad

my device io openfirmware functions dont wanna work 😔

[pliant glen]

bios can tell when there's not a second disk and throw an error when i try the load command then, but then suddenly when it sees the disk it has no problem writing nothing and then jumping to nothing

funny

[ocean ore]

relatable

i ask openfirmware to open an io operation for the display device but i get a NULL for the device handler

[pliant glen]

try asking more directly

speak its language

[ocean ore]

it speaks C structs and callback functions

[pliant glen]

then replace it

[ocean ore]

its very much made for interaction with C

[ocean ore]

cant

do you think you can just "replace" the BIOS

[pliant glen]

doesn't seem that hard

[ocean ore]

replace with what, UEFI?

i dont have that

its either openfirmware or seppuku

[pliant glen]

custom firmware, but then i guess it wouldnt be mac compatible anymore

so yeah stay in C

[ocean ore]

-# (bro i never wanted to switch to asm)

[ocean ore]

yeah

[pliant glen]

dont be ashamed

[ocean ore]

im not ashamed im just horrified

[pliant glen]

you should be

[ocean ore]

its much worse than x86 assembly

[pliant glen]

so do you have any idea at all where the issue is

[ocean ore]

no lol no output

stdout device dont work

[pliant glen]

have you tried an emulator

[ocean ore]

im gonna try setting that fart up again

[ocean ore]

YES THATS WHAT IM USING UIQH#JKRM<NQUIWRJKM<QHWNRJQKM<THQNEJKMQ<HNF

evil openfartware dont work

im just gonna call it ofw

like i usually do

[pliant glen]

oh yeah i almost suggested checking registers

im an idiot

what would that even do

[ocean ore]

what do i check? the MSR??? ()

[pliant glen]

take someone else's code and study that

[ocean ore]

im doing that already

[pliant glen]

modify their code to learn how things work

[ocean ore]

im not an idiot i have always stole code

[tough socket]

NT and Linux both simulated multi level paging on ppc by maintaining multi level page tables in software and treating the inverted page table as basically an in-memory software-refilled TLB almost

which would be refilled from the PTEs in the multi level page tables

[ocean ore]

peak knowledge

i wanted to simulate this as well

[tough socket]

i only know of AIX and XNU as directly managing the ppc page tables

[ocean ore]

because powerpc paging is genuinely evil

[ocean ore]

IBM and apple literally made it, theyre gonna be the only ones to actually eat it up

[tough socket]

its more that thats the simpler way to do it with the Mach virtual memory manager which both of them used

NT and Linux's vmm's both assumed multi level page tables in generic code

[ocean ore]

oh

reasonable

[tough socket]

the Mach vmm is more explicit with hiding hw paging details behind an API called pmap

[ocean ore]

multi level page tables are reasonable imo because i still can barely understand powerpc's thing

there's like 16 registers or smth idk??

do they point to page tables or what ion even know

[ocean ore]

cool

k so i need to somehow write to stdout with it working afterwards

at least the openfirmware one

can reasonably use that one for debug

[ocean ore]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

THIS IS A MOMENT IN HISTORY

for some reason i have to null terminate it manually because my c compiler might be evil

nevermind it works

WHAT WENT WRONG BEFORE OAWKJEDMASDKJASDASDASDASDASDA

[pliant glen]

so real

[muted talon]

when open source i want to put it on my alarm clock and run cyberpunk on it

[ocean ore]

oh right the promise

[muted talon]

btw u stuck with big endian

... you stuck with big endian 😭

[muted talon]

he is gone already

[muted talon]

Enforce In-Order Execution of I/O

[gloomy mist]

arrrr ☠️

[ocean ore]

ahoy

[ocean ore]

guys ive learnt how to fix back pain

anyways so like im gonna go do a reorganization of my whole room for some reason

or not

depends

[ocean ore]

MY BACK HURTS AGAIN

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-greenscreen-gif-5649293510147604779

[ocean ore]

AAAAA MY SPINE
wsk

salkal

viowedjfweopflkwen.,faejk;f.ea

whenever it fixes itself i can work on kvass

oww

crap

im stuck on the floor

kvass is canceled i cant move anymore

[ocean ore]

nevermind i stood up LETS GOOOOO

kvass is uncanceled

[ocean ore]

i would like to inform you that you can not run kvass in qemu 😔

the openfirmware is incompatible as frick

[ocean ore]

ngl i want to port the GPL licensed chess

the same one thats in mac os

[ocean ore]

ok so i need to set up this like pipeline thing to automatically send the kvass images to real hardware

maybe setup netboot somehow idk

[ocean ore]

kvass needs usb boot

it needs 😔

NEEDS

i need to use real hardware

i cant write it to hd

or cd

takes too long

BUT I CAN DO USB 1.0!

ABHABHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

LOL OLD TECH

GOOD LUCK POWERING YOUR STUPID CDROM DRIVE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

it would be cool if chatgpt was correctly localized for all languages

cool as in 1984

thats why english speaking countries are bad because they are the only ones that have AI correctly localized

👍

anyway so usbee

uhh

forgor

[ocean ore]

i have the rare 2024 macbook air prototype from 2009

aint no way they just repurposed the design

anyways remote desktop is kinda cool

a bit entertaining

ive just realized this couldve been a screenshot and its not cool when its a screenshot its cooler when its a remote desktop

so its cooler 👍

[ocean ore]

kvass tmrw

first thing i need to do when leaving ofw is a reasonable usb and ide driver

pci maybe too

maybe

yeah i wish i started with the usual gdt idt but i cant

what if i just abandoned powerpc

sure its unique but is it even worth it

hm

IT IS BECAUSE ALL OSDEV IS POINTLESS GO ALL IN

ID MAKE THE HILL I DIE ON BE A DIFFERENT HILL THAT EVERYONE ELSE LIVES ON BECAUSE MY DESIRE TO BE UNIQUE OUTSHINES MY DESIRE TO BE ALIVE (metaphorically)

LETS GOOOO

[muted talon]

first think you need to do is do the great opensourcening are you serious 😭

[ocean ore]

forgor

[pliant glen]

stop using c

just use forth

[ocean ore]

you hate me dont you

anyways i might be able to implement audio output for my ibook some time

[ocean ore]

usb 1 is so fast my ibook went to sleep before finishing the creation of a gpt table

[ocean ore]

for anyone whos interested this is my model
https://everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/specs/ibook_600.html

its the test subject for this project

it sucks really bad as a computer but i like it and it looks cool

(every single mac os x version lags)

[ocean ore]

ok honestly im kinda questioning the legality of sharing the openfirmware files even as links

if yall want to osdev for powerpc idk ask me im gonna share everything

[pliant glen]

it's funny to

[ocean ore]

me pressing CMD+OPTION+P+R thinking im gonna enter openfirmware but in reality i just reset pram several times

[ocean ore]

I AM AT WAR!!!

KVASS MSUT REIGN SUPREME

nevermind i am quite humbled

i apologize for waging war

[ocean ore]

im gonna probably make a matrix server thingamabob

due to the discord age thing theyre gonna add

i would like to not send anything to them explicitly even if they already know everything

[next beacon]

Matrix server for kvass based

Fuck discord

[ocean ore]

floppaos matrix when

[next beacon]

I’ve been thinking of switching to matrix for progress report for the Flopperating system

[next beacon]

Svvn

Trvth nvke

I’ve been so demotivated

Adding smp fucked my entire code base

[ocean ore]

ive just thought of it after learning about discord's idea

im already switching to a bunch of smaller services

its not that the big ones are bad (google, msft) its just that i feel spied on

[next beacon]

No they are bad lol

[ocean ore]

well yeah thats a bad thing

[next beacon]

All corporations are horrible

Fuck rich people

Eat the rich

And burn them at the stake

[ocean ore]

bro

they dont taste good

[next beacon]

Pov amarat is a whole ass communist

[ocean ore]

also yo dont copy the system folder from mac os 9 cd to hard drive it wont boot i cant boot no more help

[next beacon]

PROLITERI SVIH ZEMALJA, UJEDINITE SE!

[ocean ore]

ibook of doom and evil

[ocean ore]

uhhhhhhh

bulgarian

[ocean ore]

im gonna boot it from cd and install it on my conveniently located 4 gb partition i reserved for kvass

[next beacon]

FUCK OFF

ITS SERBO-CROATIAN

I’m not gonna be one of them idiots who calls the language Bosnian

[ocean ore]

or that

[next beacon]

Serbia Croatia and Bosnia speak the same language

I can understand Bulgarians tho

Similar language

They just have brainlet grammar

[ocean ore]

i think i can understand that one too

[next beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-gif-12554037691025205909

[ocean ore]

i think

[ocean ore]

the serbo croatian i meant

[next beacon]

You could probably understand my language to

[ocean ore]

i has have stroke

[ocean ore]

maybe

[next beacon]

Zdravo, dobar dan, ja govorim na bosanskom i ruski je sličan jezik

Dobro jutro

All that stuff

[ocean ore]

i can understand up to "ruski"

[next beacon]

Jezik is our equivalent to язык

[ocean ore]

oh

makes sense

[next beacon]

Wait are you Russian or Ukrainian

I’m assuming you speak both

[ocean ore]

ukrainian

[ocean ore]

no i forgot ukrainian

[next beacon]

Are u a refugee?

[ocean ore]

yuh uh

[next beacon]

Fuck russia

They fucked yall up

[ocean ore]

i mean i have to go back to ukraine or somewhere else somewhat soon i think

[next beacon]

I have a homie named Aleksandr from Ukraine

[next beacon]

Damn man

I’m sorry

I’m an immigrant too

[ocean ore]

yeah :/

[next beacon]

I moved from Bosnia when I was 10

[ocean ore]

cool

[ocean ore]

i moved to us when i was like 11

[next beacon]

Can’t believe the war in Ukraine has been going on for 4 years

[ocean ore]

real sad crap

[next beacon]

What region are you from

I’m from central Bosnia

[ocean ore]

odessa

[next beacon]

From a stupid town named Donji Vakuf

[ocean ore]

the like sea area thingamabob

[next beacon]

Ahhh that’s why you speak Russian

Russian influence is heavy there

[ocean ore]

man of culture

yeah i speak russian because like everyone i know there speaks it

like even the random store person

and the bus drivers

they made us speak ukrainian at schools though

[next beacon]

Здравствуйте пацан

[next beacon]

I see

[ocean ore]

im pretty sure theres a law banning all languages except ukrainian at schools

[next beacon]

Your guys grammar is weird

[ocean ore]

im not sure about english but we have english classes

[next beacon]

Like you guys use different grammatical cases

[ocean ore]

different letters

[ocean ore]

the govt decided to rename it to odesa with one s which sounds kinda stupid imo

[next beacon]

Like for example when you said «Ядро оперативной системой «floppa»»

[ocean ore]

i mean thats how it is in ukrainian

[next beacon]

We would say Jezgro Operativnog Sistema

[ocean ore]

fair

[next beacon]

Operativnoyy Sistemoyy would be wrong on our language

Well we say Operativnoj sistemoj

But that would be the wrong grammar for us

[ocean ore]

hold on lemme add ukrainian keyboard i think i lied a bit when i said i forgot

mac system settings taking 30 years to long on the latest macbook air

[next beacon]

Damn I want a MacBook Air

[ocean ore]

i got a horribly beat up one, its from 2015

idk i think it was either from a college or high school student

free™

[next beacon]

I have a MacBook bro the original with Touch Bar

From like 2017

Runs like absolute shit and dick now

[ocean ore]

the keyboard is bad

[next beacon]

Planned obsoleteness

[ocean ore]

that model is famous for sucking actually

13 inch one?

[next beacon]

Yeah that one

It takes 25 minutes to boot

[ocean ore]

yeah its the crap one

[next beacon]

I might just make a new kernel

A 64 bit one

I wanna use a kernel space model tho

[ocean ore]

dont worry you can upgrade it,

it has a replaceable hard drive ||with a proprietary connector ||

[next beacon]

Im gonna use permissions within the os for security rather than user mode

[next beacon]

Yeah I purchased a new hard drive and the connector was wrong

[ocean ore]

RIP

[next beacon]

I was stupid enough to not answer

[ocean ore]

im pretty sure my macbook air has that sata drive which looks like an nvme but it isnt

(2015 one)

(ngl i wish i had the 2014 model so i can put windows 7 on it )

they removed bios boot from this model

[next beacon]

Windows 7 on a Mac is beyond cursed. I love it

[ocean ore]

i ran it on this macbook pro 2010 i had with a violent gpu fail

didnt know the gpu was crapping itself

[next beacon]

Windows peaked with windows 7

[ocean ore]

so it just restarted painfully every time i did anything ever

[next beacon]

I wanna make my new os have a similar ui to windows 7

[ocean ore]

(spoiler warning, it was sold )

[ocean ore]

i honestly want to make kvass look like mac os 9's platinum but shiny

[next beacon]

Have you dealt with ICE yet?

[ocean ore]

no

[next beacon]

I had a run in with them

[ocean ore]

somehow

[next beacon]

Since I’m technically not a citizen

[ocean ore]

oh no

[next beacon]

They came to my door claiming they had a warrant

I told them to fuck off

And they did

Telling a federal agent to fuck off was the funniest shit

[ocean ore]

real

[next beacon]

Like get the FUCK OFF MY LAWN

MOTHERFUCKER

[ocean ore]

is there a law against saying you have a warrant when you dont

[next beacon]

Nope they’re allowed to lie to you

[ocean ore]

they lied to you i doubt they had any warrant

[next beacon]

If they actually had a warrant they would’ve kicked down the door

[ocean ore]

maybe

[next beacon]

But if they didn’t have one and they kicked down the door they would’ve all went to prison and I would make sure

I’m not afraid to whip out my gun in front of those assholes

[ocean ore]

insanity

[next beacon]

I’m a legal resident and I pay fucking taxes

I literally pay them

I’d get it if I was a leech but no

[ocean ore]

i am now kinda inclined to believe that maybe (understatement) the president's ideas for the improvement of the country are kind of questionable

[next beacon]

I make my own money. And I work DAMN HARD for it

[next beacon]

Our president is a fascist

[ocean ore]

possibly

hm

ok maybe

[ocean ore]

true

[next beacon]

Just saying if ICE comes to your door tell them to leave

They likely don’t have a warrant

[ocean ore]

i think i have to tell that to my parents first

[next beacon]

They might show you a fake warrant too

[ocean ore]

crap

[next beacon]

If they have an actual warrant they will kick down your door but you’re a legal resident so they don’t have one

Unless you’re genuinely illegal they won’t have a warrant

They’re targeting actual US citizens now

[ocean ore]

why is there not a law against that this sucks on ice (||i'm sorry||)

[ocean ore]

oh

[next beacon]

Ik this isn’t a political server but I’m just telling you for your safety lmao

Us immigrants have to stay careful

[ocean ore]

true true

mac os 9 has a crap ton of component options

theres both netscape AND ie

im putting netscape im tired of michaelsoft

there's ati and nvidia drivers (i assume for the power mac g4)

whats the newest gpu both of these drivers support

[next beacon]

Michael soft 🥀

[ocean ore]

AI DEVELOPERS, AI DEVELOPERS, AI DEVELOPERS!!!

MAKE OUR BROWSER WORSE!!! MAKE OUR BROWSER WORSE!!!!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/1984-big-brother1984-big-brother-big-brother-is-watching-you-george-orwell-gif-24454779

SPY ON THE WORLD!!! FOR THEIR SAFETY!!!

INSTALL MICROCHIPS, READ THEIR THOUGHTS!

LET THEM BOW DOWN TO THE STATUE OF THE ONE GREAT KING SATYA NADELLA!

ABOLISH LINUX! ABOLISH BSD! KEEP MAC USERS WE'RE JUST GONNA PURCHASE APPLE! LET THEM RETURN TO THEIR KING - MICROSOFT!

MAKE THEM ALL GO TO GITHUB - SCAN THEIR CODE, FOR THE GOOD OF THE WORLD!

NEVER LET THEM FORGET, WHO TRULY OWNS THEM.

NEVER LET THEM BE HAPPY, WITHOUT US! ONLY WITH US THEY CAN RETURN TO OUR ORDER! OUR HAPPY ORDER! OUR HAPPY, HAPPY NEW WORLD ORDER!

only we must get the advantage and know true happiness

[pliant glen]

this post is certified doubleplusgood

[muted talon]

i got offended

[ocean ore]

as a ukrainian i apologize unless you support the war in that case ur mean

ngl my dream is to live far away on a farm with my linux computer and other trash so i can escape the robots

[muted talon]

i support no war

lets not discuss politics here

[ocean ore]

fair

politics is just meaningless rambling anyways

anyways so i forgot to open source kvass

[ocean ore]

also based

[ocean ore]

again

i shouldnt make promises again

like ever again

cant fulfill them

[ocean ore]

also sorry

[next beacon]

Fuck the Russian government is what I should’ve said

[ocean ore]

the russian government got offended

[gloomy mist]

oh boo hoo lol

[ocean ore]

i got powerpc framebuffer FINALLY

[rare turtle]

щлфл

okak*

[ocean ore]

okak

[ocean ore]

get screen, make sure its not on some evil color depth and then get address somehow

[ocean ore]

ive discovered more specifications!!!11!!!

this one is for setting a color palette with 256 colors

beautiful graphics my one true love

i shouldve followed the advice of the osdev wiki and just make an X11 skin but no i chose this misery

[ocean ore]

kvass is still alive

[fierce river]

[muted talon]

most kvass progress in the entire kvass history

[fierce river]

yay, ELF header

[gloomy mist]

kvassing like its 2025

[ocean ore]

oh also this dude works on kvass now

[pliant glen]

[ocean ore]

w h a t

[ocean ore]

my problem with this now is that we have to somehow obtain the file size of whatever we just loaded

its good progress but we need the file size

theres probably a property for that

[pliant glen]

iterate through every byte until eof

duh

[ocean ore]

brother what

[pliant glen]

iterate through every block instead and just go with that

precision doesnt matter

[ocean ore]

if i round up itll be corrupted, if i round down it'll not load the whole file

[pliant glen]

go through blocks and then backtrack

best of both worlds

[ocean ore]

u n t i l w h a t

anyways im gonna go work on obtaining file length

[pliant glen]

the file end marker

isnt that like a required thing for files

[ocean ore]

idk

we didnt make a filesystem parser we depend on openfirmware on this crap

[pliant glen]

this project fascinates me not because of its ambition, rather the insanity it's putting you through

[ocean ore]

foolish of you to assume i am insane since yesterday (i have someone else to openfirmware trauma dump to )

[pliant glen]

oh well

you can be insane together

[ocean ore]

maybe depends

anyways so im just gonna give the loaded binary a start marker and an end marker

[pliant glen]

the right way to do it

[ocean ore]

depends

[pliant glen]

everything depends

however you do it is good enough

[ocean ore]

actually i have an idea

[pliant glen]

is it a fun one

[ocean ore]

no

make a file header and make it say the length of hte file

at least for the kernel bin

[pliant glen]

manually calculated every iteration

[ocean ore]

redid output lololol

actually no logs

they dont display properly on real macs somehow

[pliant glen]

it looks like unix

[muted talon]

ppunix

[pliant glen]

anything but unix

(nothing)

[muted talon]

kvass got pmm now

[barren sierra]

ьü?

[silent jay]

physical memory manager.

needed for paging.