Kvass (vibecoden't)

[ocean ore]

best solution frfr

ok nvm im not writing allat

guys i think kvass the kernel straight up is just gonna get a multiboot2 version

no

wait

greg as a multiboot2 executable

abhorrent type of chainloading

wait

nvm yeah

or not

im too lazy to give it more than ATA support rn

not even cd

ok tbh im just gonna do anything BUT cd booting just to piss people off

im not making a mainstream os anyways

or generic

im special (most likely as in mentally disabled) and kvass users better be special enough to go through this to set up greg

absolute cinema

ima figure out more tmrw

i think im just gonna restrict this to VMs for now, if i set it up on real hw ima tell yall how

itll probably require a bunch of manual setup with windows (7 and older) or linux

[fierce river]

happy 10 stars

[muted talon]

we beg you

1 screenshot of kvass progress

[fierce river]

thread starvation ahh image

[ocean ore]

ok so its quite unfitting for my imaging tool to have an MBR boot sector-er thing

i have to do this for greg though 😔

it cant even create MBR partitions it only does the boot sector crap

ok so im just gonna add a "write MBR boot sector" command because idk how to do it with software like fdisk for lunix

im gonna make a bigger partitioning tool that can actually do hard drives and more file systems but later

no, not expand this one the codebase is trash

my tool did its job of writing greg 🔥

now time to add file system support

😔

[ocean ore]

soon will come the great open sourcening

maybe maybe

soon might mean a few months

the problem isnt feature creep i think im already doing the bare minimum and im also somewhat productive

i just have a lot of garbage to do

as in i have to finish my braindead partitioning tool

also the file system reader-er thing is going to be a library any bozo can use for some reason

idk why would you implement the kvass branded jank but its kvass so it must be everywhere

https://tenor.com/view/java-duke-everywhere-computer-phone-gif-2655662629958065522

also the image maker tool is jank but the library wont be as jank

because i want people to actually use the second one

(the image maker might just be required for kvass but its straight up BAD to use)

(the codebase is one around 1000 line main.c file and an interface to talk with my own library thing)

(i intend to make a less crappy hard drive partitioner tool but actually for kvass)

[ocean ore]

currently main.c is 1187 lines

i think at this point the effectiveness and functionality of a program CAN be measured in lines of code

honestly it works fine im gonna keep it like this

[ocean ore]

itll either be like windows' diskpart or itll be something of my own idk

[ocean ore]

yo so like kvass quite literally has to have a monolithic kernel because the modules arent going to be loaded by themselves

my plan is to have every device driver except hard drive, pci and acpi crap (im gonna probably consider stealing uACPI for that ) to be on the hard drive

so they can be loaded

not exactly my microkernel dreams but whatever i think i have to eat up the consequences of having my own bootloader

[muted talon]

i wonder what will be faster

me porting mlibc or the great open sourcening

[ocean ore]

were both gonna die before we find out

[muted talon]

omggg

i found a way to make kvass

we are getting kvass and gta 6 babyyy

just have to roll that 198485467587649857689457 times now

[ocean ore]

[muted talon]

the most important thing is to not shut off the pc

cuz if i get kvass os copy and i reboot i will lose it

no writable fs yet

[ocean ore]

hes gonna steal my exotic crap >:(

MODS

[ocean ore]

in every single classroom i have i get depressingly dark lights

[ocean ore]

they expect us to not go asleep either

[ocean ore]

i think what microsoft meant by hybrid kernel is that some drivers are in kernel level

michaelsoft why

i mean i assume they arent included WITH the kernel

they are loaded by the kernel but run at kernel level

i think

source

ok so they are just loaded into kernel level apparently

this is the stupidest thing ive heard today

cant they just go full microkernel

i dont think i can speak on this matter as the CEO of jank itself but like

😭

[mellow rivet]

@tough socket you might want to comment on this

[tough socket]

i would but i recently had a stroke caused by how obese i am which made me forget all of my osdev knowledge

who are you

[mellow rivet]

unfortunate

[tough socket]

ignore this entire wikipedia page its junk

that diagram is nonsense

NT doesnt have a microkernel

never did, never was intended to

it is monolithic

[ocean ore]

NOOOO

THEY LIED TO ME

THEY LIED

[ocean ore]

i have been marketeded

i mean it does straight up look like a monolithic kernel with most of the services in userspace

or less

what IS a monolithic kernel in the first place

is it everything in the kernel or only certain things

is it a monolithic kernel if it only has one thing in the kernel

or two

basically not a lot

if its not then how many things should be in the kernel before it becomes either a microkernel or a monolithic one

every microkernel that by default uses a display output is technically a monolithic kernel if its the opposite

[tough socket]

its a spectrum

[ocean ore]

abolish the kernel binary

[ocean ore]

ok wait spectrum how

would it be a microkernel if it has only a hard disk driver and a filesystem driver in the kernel or does anything except graphics output completely ruin the concept of a certain kernel being a microkernel

ok so basically i conclude that anything that does anything except memory allocation, scheduling and process communication is no longer a microkernel

[ocean ore]

KVASS™®£™¡™£¡™£•ª¡™£ª•¡™£ª•¡™£•¡™¶•¢¡™ªº£•`¡290

idk when

anyway so im making filesystem support library

(its my own file system)

[muted talon]

wheeeeen

kvaaaass

repoooo

[ocean ore]

2026

hopefully

FOOLS kvass is delayed to 2033

its when i can finally get free time

i graduate school in (supposedly) 3 years, then idk what the other 4 years are for

anyways so like school is mkaing my brain go empty

so im sorry theres even less kvass progress now

:(

yall if i burn out again i think you're getting a delay over to 2050

anyway so yeah

sor

[ocean ore]

guys should greg use VGA text mode or vesa graphics

for the boot menu

actually nvm vesa looks cooler

more color

ayyyy

i mean it already uses vesa

i dont want to remove working crpa

[muted talon]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ocean ore]

i am sorry im gonna self explode too

[muted talon]

gta 6 before kvass

[ocean ore]

ah ah ah ah stayin' alive stayin' alive

[ocean ore]

theres burgeria

it exists

or bulgaria

however you spell it

ok anyways so i for some reason do horribly random openings for every progress report for kvass

i need help 😭

im adding mkdir support to library, soon im gonna add copying, reading and writing files to a partition

removing them extending etc

for those who need context, the "library" is for my filesystem that im making

its supposed to be portable so i can send people kvass filesystem propaganda

I M P L E M E N T I T .

[ocean ore]

ok so im gonna rewrite greg once im finished with my library garbage

im not sure if im gonna publish the protocol for it honestly

i probably should

its probably gonna be insanely unreliable

man ykw maybe i should just add grub multiboot2 support

or not

ok ykw so like greg isnt gonna be like universal at all or anything its gonna suck really badly but im gonna publish the protocol for it anyway when i finish it

ima consider doing grub mb2 support ngl

nuke greg lel

IDEA 2: GREG INTO A MULTIBOOT 2 EXECUTABLE

[ocean ore]

man i wish there were kvass propaganda posters

[ocean ore]

guys ive been contacted by greg

"I am King Greg the Terrible. The CIA will be █████ with ██████████ ████████████████████. █████ spared █████ █████ "

anyways so uhhh

file system still exists

king terry the terrible reference in 2026 😔

[ocean ore]

terry davis glazers are real actually

"he is the only one who created his own compiler"

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[tough socket]

who said that

where

ill have my biyearly deranged egotistical crash out on them

[ocean ore]

tiktok comments obviously

[tough socket]

oh nvm then

[ocean ore]

they cant be corrected

[tough socket]

im not going to break my like 7 year streak of never having installed tiktok on my phone

to reply to a tiktok comment

[ocean ore]

dont even use tiktok i just got bored and watched a video essay on the dude

the guy ended up showing several examples of terry davis glazing 😔

anyway so make directory is being added rn

[tough socket]

in high school people looked at me funny if i mentioned id never used tiktok and in adulthood they go "omg im so jealous howwww"

[ocean ore]

insane

oh

oh crap i just realized

im so lonely because the only people i talk to probably have 15 types of autism at school

ok so thats heavily unrelated but whatever

honestly i dont understand doom scrolling at all

how do you sit there watching random crap for HOURS

NOT EVEN ON A COMPUTER ITS A PHONE

HOW

ok so the make directory function doesnt seem to get invoked at all???

nevermind i didnt press ctrl+s

[ocean ore]

or maybe its just the os developer syndrome

or insert other obscure hobby here

what is cool these days in like the programming thing

vibe coding? web design???

its like how it says in the bible that people treat evil things as good and good as evil

gotta think of the worst thing ever and thats whats popular these days

uhhhhhhhhh

ai uhh

AI artists?

no wait

CEO of open ai

after what this dude has done i think solving world hunger is a second class priority

[ocean ore]

wait no thats not a job OR person thats an unholy spirit

the second place on my "things i instantly think of when i hear pure evil" all i get is "satya nadella"

thats also an unholy spirit

holy crap i cant get any jobs that are evil

uhh

NVidia???

all i need is a quadro nvs 160m anyways

[ocean ore]

library rewrite because im slightly stupid

[frigid basin]

as a reddit doomscroller,
you just.... sit there
turn off your brain and keep scrolling

[ocean ore]

insane

[languid steeple]

Thats over 64 bit unsigned limit

[muted talon]

i dont have limits in my life

[languid steeple]

My life is a limit

[next beacon]

No they’re not

And he’s not the only guy with a compiler

Plus he’s a racist asshole

[ocean ore]

im worried that you havent looked real close to some projects in this server too

[ocean ore]

what does that have to do with anything, he's mentally ill anyways

[gloomy mist]

it is acceptable to appreciate the work a person did without agreeing with that persons ideology or enabling their mental state

some of the things Terry Davis wrote were quite interesting. its fine to say this, without having to agree with his stance during his life

i think too many people are like "oh oh cancel this, he said bad things"

in this case lets separate the person, from the persons work. as @ocean ore said... he was mentally ill anyway, what he said could be symptoms of that.

in fact, most likely were

anyway...

[next beacon]

im worried you havent seen templeOS code 💀

[ocean ore]

true, i understand its good work

but the things people say is way too much

[ocean ore]

i didnt, but like theres so much projects inspired by templeos

[gloomy mist]

mine is NOT inspired by templeos but both projects have a similar identity mapped ring 0 memory model

but templeos didn't have networking

also both are written around a custom programming language

but I never set out with the intent of mimicing that

[ocean ore]

fair

again, im really just talking about people who arent in this type of circle thinking that terry davis is an almighty god or whatever

[ocean pasture]

The outstanding thing about templeOS was the idea, and the time period. And the compiler. He was also great at getting his message out.

He was able to communicate his message really well, and gained a big following.

[ocean ore]

fair

[ocean pasture]

We have to separate the project from his own thoughts.

I wouldn't hate on TempleOS just cause Terry had some controversial opinions.

[ocean ore]

this honestly

i dont hate templeos i think people overexaggerate terry's programming skills

he IS very good

having a 3d engine in THAT is INSANE

[ocean ore]

yo ngl i wanna somehow start testing on real hardware with like pxe and crap

TI84+ CE as a debugger

[ocean ore]

Kvass

i am not at liberty to speak of what happened to greg

Kvass (and the greg bootloader)

ARISE

or not

i have a horribly weird idea for boot services and stuff for greg

make greg into an openfirmware larp

[ocean ore]

Kvass

explode again your existence is uncertain

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHABAHBHBSHBAJDABHSJD

anyways so like uhhh

im doing something (kvass related tho)

[ocean ore]

today i would like to comemorate a great piece of trash that has just commited die and i am very depressed (i wanted to osdev for it but the documentation is bad)

ibook g3 with stupid blue line on screen

i hate it i want to get rid of it im gonna get a heart attack if i dont

i think its an lcd issue but whatever

[ocean ore]

openfirmware doesnt seem that bad once you dont have to suffer with forth

it looks like BIOS

except its actually good

[ocean ore]

not really "basic" but it is an IO system

[muted talon]

i dont have a description for this

[frigid basin]

this is truly our kvass

[ocean ore]

insert deltarune reference here

[ocean ore]

yo guys so the apple ibook is a sandwich

straight up its a sandwich

the motherboard in the middle, two metal plates surrounding it, and then two plastic plates ( keyboard/mouse and bottom panel)

[ocean ore]

i have a magnet stuck in the keyboard now

or the handrest thing

https://tenor.com/view/counterstrike-csgo-door-stuck-knife-lit-gif-13501025

my idea was to put a magnet there so the screen would actually close

maybe it helped

maybe

the magnet came from the same computer it was supposed to hide a screw

uhh some plastic thing fell off

jank™

[fierce river]

illegal C

[ocean ore]

what voodoo magic do people use to compile binutils and gcc on macos

this is insanity

nvm it works

use the built in clang tools mac os provides otherwise it commits explode

i had to compile one of the required gcc libraries (mpc) because homebrew ships the wrong version

aple :'(

i mean apple doesnt maintain homebrew but this still sucks

holy crap does gnu not know how to make a compiler theres so much warnings

[ocean ore]

i thought i386-elf-gcc was long

[next beacon]

Door stuck

[ocean ore]

MAGNET STUCK

also i have to move to lunix

my mac doesnt wanna compile powerpc gcc

[next beacon]

Strange

[ocean ore]

idk it just dies

it worked fine on lunix im gonna do it on lunix then

i think i figured out how to navigate the forbidden openfirmware documentation of doom

The client interface allows client programs (programs that have been loaded and executed under the control of Open Firmware) to make use of services provided by Open Firmware. The interface consists of a set of software procedures and a mechanism for calling and passing arguments and results to and from those procedures.

chapter 6 btw

[ocean ore]

halt everything i built gcc on mac

MUAHAHAHAHAHA NO LUNIX REQUIRED

well almost

i built like the first half

[ocean ore]

ok so it died

windows 11 is so unreliable to the point where plugging in a usb flash drive crashes explorer

WHAT DID YOU BLOCK

ive got this warning the image was obtained from the internet because i couldnt screenshot the actual one

[ocean ore]

RECEIVED THIS FART AS SOON AS I DOWNLOADED A LINUX DISTRO

I SWEAR MICROSLOP IF YOU ARE USING AI TO DETECT IF I DOWNLOADED GENTOO OR NOT I WILL

actually ykw im already switching away from windows

its fine you can complain while you're still alive 👍

i hope whatever ai you use to detect my file craps itself and bluescreens everyone using winblows

we need more linux users anyways

like me before i gave THIS crap a chance again

i swear apple might be better at making a "certified unix" than current day microsoft at making something that doesn't piss me off

i am legally required to relate things to kvass so uhhh

kvass is gonna be made on a pc now 👍

[ocean ore]

ive just read the warning

i truly dont own my computer anymore

MY MACHINE

MINE

MINE ONLY

i am the one who knocks

[frigid basin]

microsoft peaked at win7

[silent jay]

need to clone ts and call it "baikal" or smth

[silent jay]

nyet... "chebureki" is better name

[rare turtle]

4k сообщений и нету ничего в репо

[ocean ore]

no

my kvass no cloning

[ocean ore]

cheburashka

[ocean ore]

as intended the repo must stay empty

its gonna exist later if the atoms in the universe align right

[ocean ore]

how did i get 12 stars

this doesnt even exist

(it does but barely)

(it WILL exist trust)

[muted talon]

hey that is a fire idea

pivo os

borsch os

[silent jay]

ok komrade

[silent jay]

[silent jay]

should name the package manager "blyat" or smth so it goes something like "blyat install buterbrod"

ngl, buterbrod is a fire program name

maybe call the kernel of the OS "zakwas"

[ocean ore]

oh

is your clone a unix

oh wair no nvm

im dumdum

[ocean ore]

nah its kvass-kernel

[ocean ore]

call the package buterbrod and call all beta vers of kvass blyat

[ocean ore]

yo guys if i get some basic test crap to run on powerpc kvass is gonna be for ppc now

cope

pc will come tho

[ocean ore]

i have returned with a need of a desktop environment

kde is boring now

time to enter google

[silent jay]

URA

[ocean ore]

ура

i just installed archlinux

i am finally

1. free from crapdows (it was genuinely painful to open up the laptop to even HAVE to use it)
2. can download gcc

[silent jay]

no more mingw bs

[ocean ore]

no i used a mac

tfym mingw what do you think i am a poor person?

[silent jay]

nvm mb

[ocean ore]

ive used arch already i just got tired of kde

so i picked the objectively "best" option and moved to windows

11 home

[silent jay]

use fvwm2 trust

[ocean ore]

nah i used bungie

budgie

oops

[silent jay]

ah, nice

[ocean ore]

anyway so ima go finally download powerpc gcc so i can abuse my ibook

and an ide probably i need an ide

[silent jay]

nah use a powerbook trust

[ocean ore]

they're too expensive im not paying 200 dollars for this especially after knowing how much money that is in my currency (even though it barely costs anything already)

$75 apple ibook g3 with a mildly borked LCD, take it or leave it

[silent jay]

fair enough

[ocean ore]

nah but like

10 gb hard disk and 300 mb of ram for 190 dollars

for the one that can run mac os 9 at least

i wanted a mac os 9 computer

i have a mac os 9 computer

i am happy with my crappy mac os 9 computer

anyway so ima put discord and Gnu™ compilah™ colection™

[ocean ore]

NO SHAMELESS ADVERTISING IN KVASS ONLY MINE HEHEHABEBHAWBEBWAEBHJWAEHJHB

[silent jay]

wdym? what advertising?

[ocean ore]

yo everyone sees "the original message was deleted" MUAHAHAHAHAH

ONLY I WILL SHAMELESSLY ADVERTISE YOUR TRASH IN MY THREAD

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-union-stalin-gif-25176129

[silent jay]

oki

[ocean ore]

anyways

gcc

im gonna go use kate as my editor

idk why

[silent jay]

i use neovim

[ocean ore]

fair

i like graphical text editors

i used vscode but i wanna try non microsoft crap

[silent jay]

notepad++

[ocean ore]

im on lunix

[silent jay]

the os for commodore 64?

[ocean ore]

what

linux

MUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[silent jay]

wait... release kvass as a powerpc ELF executable

when it is done

[ocean ore]

i was going to do that

i want kvass for powerpc

ok nvm

(edited message)

[silent jay]

yeah mb, i meant powerp

[ocean ore]

fair

[silent jay]

c

[ocean ore]

do you have a powerbook actually

[silent jay]

no. too poor. just have infinitemac.

[ocean ore]

oh

powerpc qemu must definitely work it has an openfirmware implementation

(mac and SPARC firmware)

[silent jay]

wait... kvass can theoretically run on the Wii then.

the wii has a powerpc chip (broadway)

[ocean ore]

it has a chip similar to the G3 i think

[tough socket]

it was also used on an x86 laptop

the "one laptop per child" laptop used openfirmware

[ocean ore]

the stupid green one for african children i think

[tough socket]

yes

[ocean ore]

fair

based i guess???

[silent jay]

based indeed

[tough socket]

they considered an alternative "one child per laptop" where children would be eliminated until there were only as many as there were available laptops but this failed to pass an ethic committee

[ocean ore]

i think the worst part of porting kvass to the wii is the fight with boron that will inevitably come

[ocean ore]

whichever child spins the crank faster gets to live

which crank specifically depends on the supply of the laptop

[tough socket]

the idea survived as the inspiration for some of israel's later philanthropic projects however

[silent jay]

the crank's energy is relied upon to power every computer in the world

[ocean ore]

atlas holding earth

wait, what is people's general consensus on destroying the african children to end AI

[silent jay]

"destroying the african children"

[ocean ore]

destroying

did i stutter

[silent jay]

‎

[ocean ore]

im installing browser

bowser

ngl i wanna call up some indian scammers with my setup

[silent jay]

bro is using the anydesk reverse connection method

[ocean ore]

launch russian malware which draws a nuke line straight to his location

(already done on scammer payback)

[silent jay]

ye i saw that one

lmao

[ocean ore]

YOU ARE HACKED BY THE PIDORAS HACKING GROUP, YOU MUST SURRENDER ALL OF YOUR INFO AT THIS VERY INSTANT

[silent jay]

when the scammers have a folder called "corses" and inside is a file named "How to become a hacker 2025.pdf"

[next beacon]

Pidoras 🔥

[ocean ore]

[next beacon]

Заёбис

[ocean ore]

true

[next beacon]

Doesn’t that mean “fuck yeah”

[silent jay]

da

[ocean ore]

which

[ocean ore]

i think this does

[silent jay]

it's in russian

[next beacon]

Заёбис

[ocean ore]

i know its in russian i speak russian

[silent jay]

oh ok

[ocean ore]

fair

[next beacon]

Выучил говорит русский благодаря csgo

[ocean ore]

im not a ceo of curse words though so i dont think i can self report as eastern european anymore

[next beacon]

My grammar is ass but

[next beacon]

I’m an expert in my languages’ swear words

[ocean ore]

real

guys it is time to build gcc 🔥

which one first, i386 or powerpc

[silent jay]

ppc

trust

[ocean ore]

ight

[next beacon]

Jebem ti golu majku sto puta u picku materinu biblijsku i da ti kuća izgori.

:)

[ocean ore]

sorry i dont speak french

[silent jay]

"croatian google translate" hits HARD

[next beacon]

I’m BOSNIAN

https://tenor.com/view/bosnia-armija-bosnian-army-bosnian-chad-bosnian-sigma-gif-6348866251174887334

[ocean ore]

idk if i should even do that but i think i should write a bootloader for openfirmware that will actually boot kvass

[next beacon]

But yes jokes aside bosnian and Croatian is the same language

[ocean ore]

i know greg is supposed to exist but uhh yeah

[next beacon]

Anyways continue with kvass

Do you want help with Greg?

[ocean ore]

this

[silent jay]

ARTILIJERIJA

[next beacon]

We could work on it together

[next beacon]

BOSANAC SAM BEKRIJA

EEEEEEE

[ocean ore]

nah i just want to figure out if i even should make a bootloader especially for openfirmware machines

[next beacon]

MOJA
BOSNA PONOSNA

[ocean ore]

they arent well documented though so i probably should for the greater good

port it to x86 later

[silent jay]

SAJAREVO ROGATICA VISEGRAD VLASENICA

[ocean ore]

so i wouldnt have to suffer with writing for a completely different boot thing

[ocean ore]

chego blyat

[ocean ore]

ok so any ideas?

yes bootloader or no bootloader

there's no limine and im unsure if grub works

[next beacon]

Воснийский хуйна

[ocean ore]

[next beacon]

Russian and Bosnian are pretty similar

[ocean ore]

i think you saying that your grammar is horrible might be true im sorry

[ocean ore]

maybe idk

[next beacon]

They’re both Slavic

[ocean ore]

true

[silent jay]

"Bosnian F*CK" goes hard

[ocean ore]

kvass casually being a slav containment

[next beacon]

We both say stuff like “govorit” and “Zdravo” even tho you guys say “zdrova”

And we say Na Zdravlje

[ocean ore]

fair

ok im gonna go compile powerpc gcc and then consider if kvass should directly boot from OF or not

[next beacon]

Pov you sneeze in Russia

“Bud zdarov”

[silent jay]

kartofel unites us all

[ocean ore]

idk i think it shouldnt ngl

[next beacon]

Dude it would be so based

If you did power pc

It would’ve so unique

[ocean ore]

i wanna do powerpc

like REALLY bad

[next beacon]

There’s no good powerpc hobby kernels

[silent jay]

better to not make bootloader first

[next beacon]

You could be the first

[next beacon]

Yeah you can’t make a bootloader if you don’t know what a kernel needs from it

[ocean ore]

but porting to x86 will be HORRIBLE without a bootloader

[next beacon]

You need to make a kernel then a bootloader

[ocean ore]

i mean i guess i can just make kvass into an OF executable

[silent jay]

real

[next beacon]

Just use multiboot or some shi

[ocean ore]

ok true

ima probs use multiboot if i ever get to x86

[next beacon]

Yeah

That’s what I use

But I use mb1

[ocean ore]

endianness will be quite pain

powerpc is big endian btw

[next beacon]

Idek what that word means

[ocean ore]

ok so in x86 (little endian) 0xDEADBEEF is actually EF BE AD DE while on PPC (and 68k) its DE AD BE EF

[silent jay]

my ahh stuck in little endian AVR-and-MIPS land 😭

[next beacon]

Wait is that the whole big endian and little endian thing

[next beacon]

Ah ok I remember now

[ocean ore]

honestly i like big endian more it makes slightly more sense

[ocean ore]

kvass collectively reviving powerpc

atlas holding earth number 2

[silent jay]

nah imma soon put them out of their misery

[ocean ore]

insane

anyways so if my powerpc ideas go right i will become a monopoly instantly

[silent jay]

hybrid harvard architecture SUCKS

[silent jay]

real

[ocean ore]

pain

big pain

[ocean ore]

no but like idk

there ARE hobby projects with openfirmware, it IS possible

just uh mildly friggin p a i n f u l

its worth it lel

30 articles of documentation STRAIGHT from internet archive 🔥

[next beacon]

Straight html 🗣️ 🔥

[ocean ore]

ok so binutils first

[next beacon]

JavaScript hasn’t even been invented yet

[ocean ore]

powerpc has a documentation similar to the intel SDM

it has 3 books

[next beacon]

Netscape navigator ahh

[ocean ore]

the second book is practically useless

the first one contains instructions

the third one contains a bunch of stuff like interrupts etc

[next beacon]

I’ve looked, and it’s still pretty minimal

All the data structures are covered by implementation details aren’t

The SDM actually has some implementation details

[ocean ore]

i mean

it still explains it

i should figure it out if i try hard enough

we are a braincell sharing community if i cant understand something i will invoke the entire universe to interpret it for me

[next beacon]

I’m sure you could get the global descriptor table equivalent in like a night

[ocean ore]

what gdt? we're on risc wake up

[next beacon]

Well I guess it has a flat address space

So

Yeah

[ocean ore]

yis

it has paging and virtual memory i think

[next beacon]

Yeah

[ocean ore]

i mean mac os x definitely uses that

[next beacon]

And TLB

[ocean ore]

if mac os x does it then i can too

[next beacon]

I’m pretty sure the tlb is a bit strange to work out

It’s not as simple as an invlpg

[ocean ore]

idk

ima compile gcc then research openfirmware more

i need to figure out where my kernel is actually gonna be loaded at

[next beacon]

Why is that a burning question

You can load it wherever the hell you want

It’s your kernel

[ocean ore]

remap it in paging i think

[next beacon]

You can load it at 0x12345678 if you wanted to

[ocean ore]

where openfirmware loads it im saying

[next beacon]

Ah

I see

I load my kernel at 0x00100000

Pretty sure

[ocean ore]

i dont think i should set up virtual memory any time before im done with my requests

with its evil callback function

[next beacon]

Seems so

[ocean ore]

linker file

i think openfirmware uses ELF

[next beacon]

I mean

[ocean ore]

unsure if even mac os x does it

[next beacon]

I do too

[ocean ore]

no i mean it came from sun's sparc i think they made the elf format

[next beacon]

Oh lmao

[ocean ore]

insanity

i think i can port kvass to sparc but like

im broke

real hardware makes me not go insane probably

downloaded binutils and gcc

[silent jay]

nah port to 68k trust 🙏

[ocean ore]

later

or not

no promise

[silent jay]

goin back to macintosh

[ocean ore]

THE macintosh

68000 HERE I COME

ok but nah later

or never

depends on my sanity with powerpc

[silent jay]

monkey to human, back to monke

[next beacon]

Man a fun project I did back in the day was making an m68k emulator

30000 lines of code for no reason

[ocean ore]

honestly im worried that the documentation is gonna be so poor that i will just ragequit

[next beacon]

I had so much time to waste as a kid

[silent jay]

sounds absolutely fun

[next beacon]

It was

I supported every instruction

[ocean ore]

but like i found russian firmware as a kid for my htc hd2 im certain i can find powerpc documentation if i try hard enough

[next beacon]

Never ported anything to it tho

[ocean ore]

oof

i dont think i gave binutils the right build settings

whatever itll work

all i told it is to compile for powerpc

i dont care about the rest

wait

WHERE IS IT BUILDING

https://tenor.com/view/panik-gif-20011121

reconfigure

retry

done

ignore my brainfart with running it like on windows

time to build more

gcc time

this will take long :(

im gonna go add binutils to path

[silent jay]

makes a directory called "path"

[ocean ore]

MUAHAHAHAHAHH

ok i need to relog once i finish building gcc and as

or no as

as is built already

binutils

its so they get actually added to path

AAAAAAAAAAAA

GNU

[silent jay]

gnu indeed

just wait till you get ld error or "segmentation fault"

[ocean ore]

oof

already happened on mac os

thats why i put linux actually

i want powerpc

its better than wimbows anyway

i think

i still dont trust my computer im still scared of it

(after windows)

[silent jay]

michaelsoft binbows

[ocean ore]

i still expect something stupid to appear when i restart it

[ocean ore]

true

ok so i am certain 99% of all operating systems in this server are 64 bit

idk why im bored i need to wait for gcc

the 0.5% is 32 bit and 0.4% is probably riscv

maybe unfair odds but still

it feels like it

limine and posix destroyed imagination 😔

i mean its well documented

but still

[silent jay]

yep

[ocean ore]

i think i built all-gcc

libraries next

[silent jay]

using glibc 😭

[ocean ore]

libgcc

not glibc

ok honestly air strike it, no more headers

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

../gcc-src/gcc-15.2.0/configure --target="powerpc-elf" --prefix="$HOME/opt/gcc-ppc" --disable-nls --enable-languages=c,c++ --without-headers --disable-hosted-libstdcxx current gcc config (im gonna save this for later)

my archiver was tweaking out when making the directory thats why its gcc-src/gcc-15.2.0

[silent jay]

'#include "file.c"' HITS HARD

[ocean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/rukocord-gif-19005042

[silent jay]

there is NO way someone made a site about it: https://glouw.com//2018/08/06/Cheaderless.html

[ocean ore]

what

[silent jay]

read it as "cheddarless"

[ocean ore]

same

no cheddar 🧯 🚱

[muted talon]

omg finally kvass progress

yayy

[ocean ore]

its just assembler to prepare to make kvass

kvass revival confirmed?

nvm gcc hates me

(DOESN'T WORK)

new gcc options

im gonna pull this up later to put in a readme.md for people who want to build kvass

i think i have to make target libgcc first

it dies otherwise

ok this seems to be correct

im gonna post the sequence here too

more gcc (DOESN'T WORK)

this config worked fine on 15.1 maybe 15.2 is broken

[ocean ore]

(DOESN'T WORK)

THE LAST ONE BROKE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

NO

IT DIED AGAIN

(DOESN'T WORK)

it doesnt know where THE SYSTEM ROOT IS

GNU

WHAT IS THIS

im sorry for so much gcc config scripts

[silent jay]

when the os forgets the / directory:

[ocean ore]

still the same error

[ocean ore]

ok so when i get home i need to start building gee cee cee

it compiled flawlessly the last time i did it both for i386 and ppc

weird

binutils was fine

all the options i did for it is just --target="powerpc-elf" and prefix

😔

gcc is a mess

i dont want to use llvm

i want smth that is confirmed 100% working on powerpc 100% of the time

i mean gcc works, but autoconf

[ocean ore]

what do eabi targets to

arm-none-eabi powerpc-eabi

ima search

actually if it fails again, im skipping libgcc

NOT glibc

that is different

i dont think i need either

its a kernel, im implementing my uint64's myself

[ocean ore]

kvass people

on powerpc an MSR is a "machine state register"

x86 👍

[ocean ore]

im home

gcc is probably crapping its pants at this statement

[ocean ore]

GCC IS COMPILING AGAIN

i think

i mightve just jinxed it

oh

EVERYONE IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH "configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile" IN GCC ADD THE POWERPC ASSEMBLERS AND STUFF TO YOUR PATH

or whatever platform

whatever

yall get the point

[ocean ore]

ok so i need to make the partition on my dum dum kvass system

im gonna give mac os most of the space and kvass gets 6 gb

(mac gets 12.63)

werks

[ocean ore]

my most technologically advanced build system

[ocean ore]

im gonna make a libc

yes NOW

STDINT DOESNT EXIST

I NEED TO DEFINE IT SOMEWHERE

ok for now its just gonna have a stdint and thats it

ITS NOT DEFINED IM FR

or not

uh

hm

oh no

holy crap the c library has so much trash

oh non

nevermind kvass will be porting a c library later im just gonna make a stdint like file as a regular header file

im too broke to afford this crap

is this how thats supposed to look like

idk man

wait why is there a second int after short

yes i did the monkey see monkey type 😔

for bool im just gonna use a uint8_t

[ocean ore]

guys so gnu uhh

doesnt like powerpc

WHAT IS THIS

WHY IS THIS

i think i have to use gcc from 2011

im sorry i didnt want this it just hates me

making a powerpc OS is "so unique" that even GNU DOESNT SUPPORT IT ANYMORE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[ocean ore]

you are using WHAT assembler

YOU DONT COMPILE POWERPC WITH AN X86 ASSEMBLER

i think im supposed to install binutils in the gcc directory

oops

[ocean ore]

gcc hates me so much

i cant build it im sorry

im trying to its literally world war 3 with gcc here

it keeps building wrong i think

peak garbage(tm)

i made it work i think

I HATE GNU

I WANT THEM DEAD

https://tenor.com/view/rukocord-gif-19005042

fart works on hopes and dreams

ok so kvass is now mildly unoptimized blame gnu

libgcc isnt used

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

nevermind im trying to get libgcc back

its definitely there

IT WORKED

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

here's SOME kvass progress

its not a build system i just formatted a makefile that way

i mean it is (it makes a config file)

but like

ehhhhhhhhhh

[ocean ore]

also if you want you can read this quick info crap

there's a boot script

mac os uses something like that too

its basically a script with all the forth commands required to boot your system

without it you have to type all these commands yourself and it sucks on ice so just use a script

its like having to browse your EFI partition for your EFI boot file instead of just putting it as an EFI entry

sure, but WHY

replace in the script with from the script

ok so anyway

i now dont even have a hello world os

i have a hello world openfirmware script

i need to somehow boot that crap and not go insane

[silent jay]

i have a (subjectively) better ascii for :

imagine crashing

[ocean ore]

fair

[ocean ore]

idk how to automate kvass building

do i just make a thing to automatically put kvass kernel in an iso

make it bootable, etc

i cant make a hard drive image btw openfirmware doesnt understand fat32 or whatever

hfs+, ext2 in qemu's implementation, and iso9660

ok honestly if a user chooses to make a hard drive image i doubt theyre installing it on real hardware

im just gonna ext2 that

honestly im gonna make ext2 the kvass filesystem

its widely supported

though to boot i think you need an hfs+ partition

on macs at least

yeah :/

EFI similarities strike back

[ocean ore]

problem is that hfs is quite proprietary

i cant easily make a CD installer

my solution is to make a small program that installs the kernel and boot files and such on an hfs+, and then makes you restart to the cd and continue install

because like

kvass is on an ext2, OF cant even read FAT32, and hfs might be impossible to implement

or is it

nah its not worth it tbh

tbh ima pull an archlinux and make the user install all the garbage manually with an oversized instruction manual to help them

https://tenor.com/view/rukocord-gif-19005042

yeah do that i aint doing this automation crap thats for losers

who even needs precompiled binaries

no but like i WILL provide precompiled binaries

its kinda hard to compile

hard as in waiting for gcc to build sucks

[ocean ore]

except like they are compiled, but you need to build the distro yourself what do you think i am a nice person???

[ocean ore]

as in you make your own disc image

like you put your garbage in and then you type out the autorun script

ngl i should try compiling my own linux

[ocean ore]

x86 os's are repetitive

i can say that im on powerpc

anyway so i will go the archlinux thing route though except that the kernel will ship on either an iso or an ext2 image and you have to mount and add your software to it

thumbs down if you are pissed at this idea (it wont affect anything i want to know what people think of my opinions)

[ocean ore]

image will have boot partition with kernel and openfirmware bootscript

disk image is for qemu obv

[ocean ore]

better idea

you dd your own disk image i only auto generate the cd image

[ocean ore]

dad telling me powerpc is pointless because its old

https://tenor.com/view/rukocord-gif-19005042

i already know enough about x86 😔

[ocean ore]

config (autogenerated, except that i enabled the automatic iso maker its disabled by default)

echo -e "text" >> file my one true love

[ocean ore]

I HAVE BOOTED BOOT SCRIPT

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

also openfirmware cant read iso9660 either

we suffer 😔

only hfs+ cd's

i can install mac os on my emulator though

[ocean ore]

problem with these is that you cant open them with a common iso tool

[ocean ore]

I HAVE ACHIEVED INFINITE LOOP (in assembly)

that string exists in the boot script

ignore it its basically decorative

[ocean ore]

yo guys kate is a cool text editor

vscode users are still respected as human beings 👍

it looks like vscode anyway

this is "mildly" customized though

(i like the font i can read it better)

clangd IS used by default

clinically insane neon theme also included

it says it came from vim so if any vim users are here, i am sorry if i pissed you off by calling your theme a neon clusterfrick in my head

[ocean ore]

time to have a world war with openfirmware

[ocean ore]

NO I HAVE TO PROGRAM IN FORTH

{WPOTKL$J<MNEREWK<RUHWNE:(RK>QEWUQNWI:(EKMQ ERWUhjQWN E4

the windows nt port for powerpc mac loads it here tho

steal mindlessly

i stole shamelessly

and mindlessly

just the boot address

[next beacon]

Why would you steal something that you have no idea what the rationale behind it is

[ocean ore]

i need a boot address

[next beacon]

I mean stealing from real kernels is valid but you gotta know why

[ocean ore]

it works on real macs

[next beacon]

Because there must be some reason it is there

[ocean ore]

it works on the stupid emulator

qemu

[ocean ore]

well yes there is

[next beacon]

Boot address has nothing to do with if it’s a Mac or soemthing else

[ocean ore]

m

im gonna go find the other 59000 boot scripts to check if theres any actual reason behind it

if aint then i guess idk it just works

ok so several boot addresses work

such as 0x80000000

device tree dump :O

ok so my goal is to now print something

ofw has a terminal emulator

im gonna use that for now

cant use "of", that abbreviates to something else

[ocean ore]

openfirmware functions are brainfart inducing

this here is a function to get a property of a device from the device tree

this is simple however i still get a stroke from setting this up

please help this is the stupidest bootloadern't ever

[muted talon]

omg is this kvass progress??

[ocean ore]

on powerpc too

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[muted talon]

i like the light theme

[ocean ore]

my dad called the powerpc part stupid but my hobbies aren't supposed to be useful

[ocean ore]

for some reason if i use it in kate it burns my eyes

the rest of the system is light theme for me

[muted talon]

prob gonna steal it

[ocean ore]

the kate theme?

[muted talon]

for my third rewrite

[ocean ore]

oh

wait what

[muted talon]

light theme

[ocean ore]

oh

light theme where, the kate one ???

[muted talon]

this light theme

[ocean ore]

oh

this is openfirmware

it has a piss yellow background on qemu and a white one on actual macs i think

goofy bios 😔

[muted talon]

i want the piss one

[ocean ore]

enjoy the piss one

[muted talon]

in my 1 project i started small

in my 2 project i immediately jumped into usermode

now i jump into scheduling

[ocean ore]

my first project was stealing from the internet, second one exploded, and i am pretty sure its obvious what happened to the first revisions of kvass

also nice

HOLY CRAP ITS SO COOKED

time to fix

also yes i define this crap with a macro

repeating sucks

i stand there like a statue trying to think of why my fart doesnt boot

turns out i forgot to enable cd boot

also it can be loaded at 2 MiB like in grub multiboot 2

im pretty sure its actually in virtual memory though

its mentioned several times

[ocean ore]

yo so the problem with openfirmware is that i think i have to use IT'S services for the rest of my life

tfw

like i have to use its memory allocator

etc

if not then ill tell yall

weirdest way to say "we use physical memory if virtual memory is disabled"

i think they're writing it in a way where i'll get a stroke and die

also real mode on powerpc is just no virtual memory

also the spec gives me a brainfart i do not recommend

all of the specs

i think im supposed to be a high ranking IBM engineer to read this not a 14 year old

genuine insanity

[ocean ore]

so i tell yall the ultimate counterpoint

a little thing called "linux"

by the end of this chinese torture im gonna end up BEING one of these so called high ranking IBM engineers with 11 phd's and automated turrets

i have to memory mapped IO, and paging on powerpc with the worst documentation written by a human to help me