Kvass (vibecoden't)

[ocean ore]

guys

kvass on a ti 84+ ce

what memory features does it have actulaly

vuavvuauauvauvuauvauvua

what if i make an embedded os for the funnies

like real mode level of basic

uh

behold: the vodka operating system

Controversially, assembly and C support was removed in OS 5.5.5, released 2020.[13] Texas Instruments stated that this change was made to "prioritize learning for students" and to reduce the risk of cheating in examinations.

quite lame indeed

[ocean ore]

so like my calculator was jailbroken for quite a long time

anyways i have this evil test and i assume theyd force me to reset the calculator's ram

so i just want to get everything back to stock

but i cant upgrade because the jailbreak wont work anymore

idk did TI delete the files

they want me to use OS 5.8.3 but the jailbreak works only on 5.8.2 or below

i have 5.8.1

bruh i just want my mario man

i swear it was on the website

ok i found it off a sketchy french website

good ending: i survived

[light valley]

thanks mate

[ocean ore]

bro?

its sarcasm 😭

go at least learn what a gdt is

[light valley]

I know

[light valley]

I am 💔

[ocean ore]

ok now read the stupid 5000 page intel sdm, install linux and make your own os

[light valley]

no pc

[ocean ore]

you fr?

[light valley]

im too stupid anyways

I read to read

[ocean ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829403502349647952/1424819494403969044/speechmemified_IMG_7777.gif.gif

truly special to have a mechanical pencil collector in an operating system development server

ok anyways i updated mac os on that braindead macbook

ima put arch on it tomorrow

wsl is definetely not my thing 😭

[reef wharf]

Квас и хардбас.

[ocean ore]

больше русских 🔥

FREE SECURITY

AYYYYYYYYYYY

how do you sync pc settings

also im not getting the ESU im just interested

[rare turtle]

yea bro

prox is russian too btw

and linux promoter

[ocean ore]

micro russia

(and or insert other slavic country)

[rare turtle]

yep

[light valley]

very special

[ocean ore]

e

[light valley]

what is this thread for

[ocean ore]

my os

💀

[modern shell]

vro's so innocent 🥀
ITS KVASS

[ocean ore]

vro is geniunely stupid

ITS KVASS

[modern shell]

[ocean ore]

thats the slogan now 🔥

[reef wharf]

Я из США, но мая мама из Украине. :)

[ocean ore]

я из Украины но щас в США

[reef wharf]

😂

[ocean ore]

😔

[reef wharf]

Did I misunderstand?

No, I understood just fine.

[ocean ore]

misunderstand what

[ocean ore]

cool

[reef wharf]

Why so sad?

[ocean ore]

ima need to localize this os into russian ngl

[ocean ore]

idk

[reef wharf]

Oof.

UTF-8 go brrrrrrrr...

[ocean ore]

idk theres a lot of slavs in this thread itd be quite nice

[ocean ore]

no i dont need that

[reef wharf]

Isn't Unicode at this low level super painful and finicky?

[ocean ore]

yes

[reef wharf]

💀

[ocean ore]

so im not doing unicode

MUAHAHAHA

[reef wharf]

Custom encoding? :(

[ocean ore]

cp866 probably

i already use custom encoding tho i rlly need to port the VGA stuff

😔

[reef wharf]

I am very new to OS development.

This is what I managed to create so far.

I gotta start making the jump into writing a kernel in C in 64-bit mode!

Also, CHS addressing sucks.

:)

[ocean ore]

use limine

MUAHAHAHA

i say this to everyone because im legally obliged to

but if you want an easy way to make a x64 os you can use it

it also switches your other cpu cores to 64 bit

anyways ima put arch on this macbook i have now

[reef wharf]

I like pain. :)

[ocean ore]

ok enjoy

[rare turtle]

ема

[ocean ore]

а что

anyways im gonna port codepage 866 to kvass actually its gonna be the default one

i noticed a significant part of the people here in this thread are slavic (im certain its because the os is called kvass) so thats reason 1

and reason 2 is to go add russian and/or whatever other cyrillic languages exist

866 includes all russian letters and a bunch of other slavic letters

tldr

though it might have to be slightly modified, the ukrainian letter і is absent

do i even add it or can people just use the regular i

also the font i use DOES include cyrillic

this is the bdf view of the terminus font (the one that i use)

heres the cyrillic

нормально хз 👍

[quaint quail]

why u using ur own tty (or whatever u want to call it, terminal emulator or whatever) in the os

[ocean ore]

this man fell into the flanterm propaganda so bad

I AM NOT USING FLANTERM

BURN ME ON THE STAKE FOR IT

I AM NOT USING FLANTERM

IAM NOT USING IT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423054245430694053/1423055104952504450/cat_bomb.gif

limine already does everything for me and i dont want everything EVERYTHING done for me

[rare turtle]

окак

[ocean ore]

вебсайт есть там для этого

[rare turtle]

скинь пжпж

[ocean ore]

emurenmrz.github.io/bdf_view/s

а

ссылка сломалась

[rare turtle]

еххх

[ocean ore]

https://emurenmrz.github.io/bdf_view/

ок всё работает

[rare turtle]

имба

[ocean ore]

это только бдф шрифты

ттф не работает

[rare turtle]

понятно

[ocean ore]

bru arch doesnt have my wifi card drivers

[rare turtle]

иба чотка

[ocean ore]

broadcom 😔

[ocean ore]

о

норм

[ocean ore]

apparently the android tether thing can be used

opportunity to play clash royale while archlinux is having the heart attack of its life fr 🔥

[ocean ore]

i won a round while it was booting

[eager oasis]

Да нахуй

[rare turtle]

омага прох сматерился

первый раз вижу такое

[eager oasis]

Я сам в шоке

Хаха

[ocean ore]

жесть

[ocean ore]

:O

50% разговоров здесь наверное на русском будут

[rare turtle]

та не

[ocean ore]

ну хз честно

[rare turtle]

инглиш юзеров тут больше

[ocean ore]

да я понял уже

всё равно больше разговоров на русском чем я думал

[rare turtle]

я вообще не ожидал что тут русские будут кроме прокса

[ocean ore]

жесть

[rare turtle]

ну я имею ввиду русско говорящие

[ocean ore]

за то нету правила что нельзя говорить на других языках

[ocean ore]

угу

ngl it would be very cool for me to have a 17 inch macbook pro

maybe

idk theyre all from like 2010

1080p in 2010 🔥

the questionable part is where the frick am i even putting it

my macbook collection shall increase exponentially 🔥

[ocean ore]

nvm theyre way too rare and expensive

man honestly i just want my old laptops fixed but i need like a soldering iron and a bunch of cmos batteries

like i just want working computers but all of mine are somehow defective

not good

my macbook air (the one im gonna put arch on) is in the worst condition ever

i do not particularly like whoever was the previous owner of this thing

like its so scratched 😭

honestly ykw all that matters is that it works fully

but for my other ones its more questionable

[visual hare]

да

[ocean ore]

да

[ocean ore]

yall my grandpa got a stroke hes like in the hospital

man

depressing

[ocean ore]

i have this 1999 gateway laptop

whoever says "laptops were repairable back then" needs to be hanged

back then is WHEN, though

late 2000's had quite repairable laptops, but early 2000s had absolute TRASH

idk

all of them which i have from early 2000s is very confusing to repair

like its simple-ish but on the other hand theres a lot of screws and its just taking very long to do it

complex

and then you can break something during the repair

[ocean ore]

but anyways its the most unrepairable laptop ever
and also it might suffer from the nickel cadmium cmos battery leak

and the second part is really the problem probably

and i want more macbooks for some reason so i might just consider selling it

[ocean ore]

these two go together because i cant pull out the battery without hours of work

which are NOT WORTH IT

[ocean ore]

or maybe get something that is another somewhat good windows 9x laptop

[ocean ore]

why do i want more macbooks? bored

theres also this pre unibody mbpro i have and ive grown quite attached to it but its kinda defective ngl

RIP left fan

moral dilemma:

• i would obviously buy a better computer
• but i like this one

why cant i just have both (i do have the money)

because donald trump

and his immigration crap

im not an illegal but he might just reconsider and kick me and my family out for no reason

i wouldnt really even care but my parents do

man i wish i had a credit card or something

or debit card because i wont have to bother with this credit crap

i dont exactly fully understand how credit works and that is the problem

but anyways yeah

[ocean ore]

ok so im not buying any new laptops but im gonna go get a crap ton of upgrades

anyways so time to put arch on my stupid macbook once and for all

[ocean ore]

yo guys my parents basically said "ok fair enough it wont take that much space" and allowed me to get it

for christmas tho but whatever i can wait

yay old tech with no practical use whatsoever 😔

[barren sierra]

i thought you live in ukraine

[ocean ore]

no

i wish i was still there bruh 😔

on the other hand i have a collection of crappy old laptops

[light valley]

I remember back in my day it was called

NULLIUM

[ocean ore]

back in your day is never

kekw

nullium never existed

hush

[modern shell]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-gif-14703866472185852688

nullium is a cool name ngl

but whatever
ITS KVASS now

[ocean ore]

isTrue

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/936087908631343105/1407935563000184903/attachment-375.gif

i think if some people cant afford water they're not going on discord

they have other priorities fr

[modern shell]

well im sure there are countries with more reliable internet connection than their supply of fresh water

ig iran has been having some water supply crisis recently
and its safe to assume u can have Internet connection relatively normally there

[ocean ore]

but like how is water a trigger word either way 😭

"food" world war 3 begins

[modern shell]

wa*er

[ocean ore]

imgine being a RAM user in 2025

i use uhh

brain

[ocean ore]

yall idea

i8086 ibm pc emulator on a ti84+ce

it can run a gameboy so why cant it do the ibm pc

tbh the real constraint is ram

and storage

only a few megabytes at best

you can theoretically fit a 256k image on it

but thats like one pc game

also about games i have to port real mode interfaces

nvm it looks too painful for me

maybe i just make a real mode os

or ms dos compatibility in kvass

real mode kvass: the ultimate brainfrick

absolute fart

fr

nvm i think the kernel will use up too much ram for real mode

big kekw moment tho

ram is imaginary, you have no limits

[modern shell]

ram is a made up term by Big Nerds™ to scare us away from irresponsible mallocs

[next beacon]

When kvass update 😔

[ocean ore]

uh

i domt knwo 😔

i cast "crappy macbook air work NOW its time to work NOW im gonna DIE if you dont do osdev RIGHT NOW"

no but uhh

i have to make a cross compiler

and then also get vscode

idk if i should do it on a crappyish 2015 macbook air

if its some other stupid (older) macbook then i doubt itd be any better

p*nguins

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/x86_64-elf-gcc
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/i686-elf-gcc

bless the aur 🔥

wait

its outdated

DUDE

[ocean ore]

ok so im gonna make a programming language and add support for it in kvass (im bored)
port lua to kernel level

[ocean ore]

would it still be a microkernel actually

if i had 6969 interpreted languages in it

id say yes

microkernel manages memory and runs programs

despite being slower than my dad on the toilet interpreted programs are still programs

NO I WILL NOT ADD WRITING DRIVERS IN COBOL

idea: add a basic interpreter and wage war on retro rocket

[quaint quail]

dear lord..

[ocean ore]

i will most likely fail but it will be very funny

[quaint quail]

"retro rocket vs kvass: the final battle" only in theaters

[ocean ore]

absolute team fortress 2

anyways im gonna make my interpreter for my piece of trash

muahahahahha

[ocean ore]

anyways making my braindead interpreter is kinda fun

side project thing

finally ... userspace 🙏

im gonna port it to kvass later probably

or maybe to a ti 84

it doesnt need a lot of them but it needs a few stdio functions

and also malloc

otherwise its quite portable imo

i love malloc

geniunely

its the best function ever

idk or maybe i finally learned how to use it

learning c with osdev fr 😔

[ocean ore]

yall having it be portable comes at a cost

a cost of adding keywords being absolute torture

somehow

im really stupid 😔

[ocean ore]

yooo i got keywords to work

now time to add ... arguments

i mean if i make a better interpreted language for the ti 84 than python and ti-basic then itd be quite cool indeed

but

i added the most important keyword

exit, because nobody ever wants to use this garbage

speaking of keywords, break; is underrated (C)

while (true) loops with break being the only escape my beloved

[ocean ore]

my math teacher looks like shes done with life fr

idk shes a good teacher tho

the 67 kids drove her insane

[modern shell]

67 kids in one class is kinda insane

[ocean ore]

theres not only 67 kids but the meme

ok but fr our class is quire small

[modern shell]

oh lol
damn i guess i just missed the brain rot train then

[ocean ore]

tru

the brainrot is insane

im contained to this place called "school" and my only option is to suffer

[ocean ore]

(with the brainrot trash)

[ocean ore]

SHJSBRJSNSKARBNSF

interpreter progress ok

idk i got slightly bored with osdev so im doing an interpreter

anyways so i have to implement it here at some point

problem is that it relies on malloc a LOT

so add a malloc later idk

pmm and other trash ima add once im done with this

[ocean ore]

interpreter as in programming language

its interpreted (i am NOT making a compiler probably ever in my life)

absolute video

too much egg is not enough egg

[grim hazel]

pmm linked list is actually very simple

[ocean ore]

true

im gonna be doing a freelist

[grim hazel]

that's what i use too

lol

very shrimple

also, i have a LinkedList class if you want

will simplify stuff a lot

(most of the logic)

[ocean ore]

c++?

[grim hazel]

ye

[ocean ore]

based but ion use it

maybe when i get to userspace programs

[grim hazel]

LinkedList is basically needed for freelist btw

or you mean c++?

[ocean ore]

what does linked list mean

[ocean ore]

no im talking abt c++

[grim hazel]

it knows the next and prev locations of nodes

[ocean ore]

oh

fancy tech jargon

[grim hazel]

it's catually easy to convert btw

lemme send it here

[ocean ore]

fair

[ocean ore]

mk

[grim hazel]

here

[ocean ore]

i should use c++ more ngl

barely use it

[grim hazel]

it's somewhat simpler than c

[ocean ore]

honestly even if i do use it i will literally code the exact same way as i do for c

no differences

[grim hazel]

classes are so good to use tbh

it is so much simpler to do most of the stuff with them

[ocean ore]

shrug

[grim hazel]

anyway, that linked list should work ok

[ocean ore]

namespaces are kinda cool too

[grim hazel]

yep

also @ocean ore this is my Freelist entry

count is the number in pages of that section

[ocean ore]

fair

ima just use an array for it probably

might add a feature to allocate a second array if i have to

[grim hazel]

i don't suggest it

wastes a lot more space

the linked list approach is much simpler tbh

bc it doesn't actually use any memory

like 0 bytes

[barren sierra]

they have food for like 15 people

[ocean ore]

[ocean ore]

Egg

[grim hazel]

it doesn't use any memory bc of how it's implemented

[ocean ore]

everything uses memory

there is no way this implementation subverts the fabric of reality

[grim hazel]

basically you store the data of the free page inside the actual page (or pages depending on the amount), but after you alloc that page, that data is no longer needed, so the data can be overwritten and the prev and next of the connected links gets updated to remove the link the allocated one

so you are using virtually 0 memory

[ocean ore]

uhhh

tech jargon

[grim hazel]

...

[ocean ore]

anyways cool

im just gonna use whatever works frfr

[grim hazel]

let's say you have these blocks:

(Block 1: prev null (0), count 1, next: 2), (Block 2: prev 1, count 1, next 3), (Block 3: prev 2, count 1, next null)

[ocean ore]

ok yeah

[grim hazel]

now you alloc block 2

[ocean ore]

it still uses memory

a bunch

[grim hazel]

yeah wait a sec

[ocean ore]

wait

that approach might be actually goated

idk

[grim hazel]

now it becomes like this: (Block 1: prev null (0), count 1, next: 3), (Block 3: prev 1, count 1, next null)

The data of 2 is overwritten by the new data and is effectively not used anymore

[ocean ore]

ok yeah

cool

if you are allocating more ram you might just take a tad bit more ram for this brainfart

[grim hazel]

this is virtually using 0 ram, bc the ram you used for a block, gets overwritten when you alloc it

effectively making it 0 used

[ocean ore]

what

ok ignoring that part

im still using my 8192 bazillion entry array for some particular reason (i dont feel like bothering)

[grim hazel]

bruh

that will be so slow...

[ocean ore]

no

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

that approach is probably just as slow

maybe

maybe ...

anyways

im bothering with it when i get home

[grim hazel]

this is my pmm if you wanna look at it

should be easily doable in c the same way

[ocean ore]

fair

[next beacon]

What

??????????????

How do you not know what that is

That is the most basic data structure for all things OSdev lowkey

A “free list” is a linked list of pages

[ocean ore]

???????tahW

i do know what it means i didnt know the word for it

[next beacon]

Ahhh

Okay well I’m glad you know the concept

But

That is a very important term to know lol

[ocean ore]

fair

[next beacon]

I can make a free list allocator in psuedo code for you

So you can make it into C to get the concept

[ocean ore]

idk

[next beacon]

Obviously don’t use that as your real version

[ocean ore]

how is the list supposed to be stored can it just be an array (if it runs out then allocate anothet one)

or does it have to be linked

linked list kr whatever

[next beacon]

Just reserve some pages for your page info structs and linked list

And then make those pages unavailable to the system

Don’t do an array.

Basically

You need page info structs

[ocean ore]

why?
if you mean make it so programs nor system will allocate it then sure

[next beacon]

Make it so nothing can touch those pages

That is called your PFNDB

(Page frame number data base)

[ocean ore]

except the pmm?

[next beacon]

Sure, but make sure those pages cannot be freed or used for anything else

[ocean ore]

k

tbh considering allat i might just make some other type of allocator

[next beacon]

What would be simpler than a list 😭

[void wharf]

no allocator at all

[ocean ore]

using arrays of whatever you suggested is

linked lists with array entries

[ocean ore]

ram is propaganda made up by big nerds to convince us that computers cant break the fabric of reality to use the multiverse as ram

[next beacon]

Wha

Not an array yet again

[ocean ore]

ķèķ

[next beacon]

Maybe you should just look at my heap page allocator

Because it’s a free list

[ocean ore]

hmmmmmmmm

[next beacon]

I have a pmm and heap page allocator

At least look at the data structures

Here

[ocean ore]

ok sure i can do freelist thing but where do i get some random free page

oh wait i just realized

statically allocate it

[next beacon]

Create a linked list of page structs, make the page structs as you’re scanning the mem map

[ocean ore]

mk

i forgot i can take crap from the memory map (tm)

[next beacon]

for each page in pages { make page structs }

Yet again as I was talking about earlier, this is your pfndb

[next beacon]

^

[ocean ore]

find the first "usable" entry in the memory map and allocate a few pages from it for the database

-# wait actually

[next beacon]

That’s exactly what you do actually

Place it at the start of usable memory

[ocean ore]

fair

[next beacon]

I’ll make you a quick allocator in C

Just so you get an idea

It’ll obviously be pseudo C

But

[ocean ore]

mk

-# MR PRESIDENT A SECOND PIECE OF CODE HAS HIT THE KVASS THREAD

[next beacon]

I mean

You know what you should do

Simulate a memory allocator for a kernel in userspace C

Just on whatever operating system you use

[ocean ore]

linuk

[ocean ore]

faid

fair

[grim hazel]

linked list requires basically no page alloc

it uses virtually 0 mem

[next beacon]

It’s still nice to allocate it though

[grim hazel]

but freelist doesn't need to be allocated (you are literally making the allocator)

[next beacon]

Sorry I didn’t mean allocate, I meant just reserve some physical pages during your pmm_init for the free list

[grim hazel]

you don't even to reserve?

they will just get overwritten when allocated

[next beacon]

Ensure your pmm won’t overwrite it

[grim hazel]

it needs to tho

it's the job of the freelist

[next beacon]

Hm

What I do is I pretend that the pages that hold the pfndb don’t exist to the pmm

[grim hazel]

i directly store my nodes into the free pages

[next beacon]

So I

Build pfndb -> store it at start of usable mem -> then show the first available free page as the beginning of usable memory to the pmm

[grim hazel]

and when i alloc, i just memset the node to 0

and remove the ref from it from the other nodes near it

[ocean ore]

i actually have this dumb question but its more math than programming

can one rotate an image without using floating point?
that requires doing sin and cos without floating point

it is a VERY pointless operation and i see no point in using it

we have fpu's

[ocean ore]

opening these two pack starburst thingies is literally gambling

its like "oh boy i sure hope i get a strawberry one" and then it ends up being orange and lemon

ended up pulling out 2 strawberry ones today its like winning the jackpot

candy flavor gambling: the BASED kind of gambling

yo i got a cherry and a strawberry one now

peak

anyways ill try to clone the kvass gitlab repo onto the macbook and do the osdev crap on it

[grim hazel]

also, you can use github to build your compiler for you

i am using it to build llvm for me XD

and then i just have to download it

[ocean ore]

uhh fair

im not using github tho

[grim hazel]

gitlab works too

[ocean ore]

🤷
im just gonna do the standard cross compiler procedure in the osdev wiki and then clone the repo

[grim hazel]

i am using gitlab as main and then mirroring to github

[grim hazel]

yeah, but you have to wait for the build

i let it do overnight XD

[ocean ore]

especially on an absolute potato

make -j 12 my beloved

[grim hazel]

mine takes 20 mins

i have 20 threads

[ocean ore]

my osdev computer is a 1.6ghz i5 macbook air with 8 gb of ram

[grim hazel]

but it takes 20 mins per update too

[grim hazel]

i have an i9 10900 with 64 gb of ram

6 yr old computer

[ocean ore]

we are NOT the same

[tame quartz]

did i read gambling 👀

[grim hazel]

my pc was 2310 euros at the time

lol

[ocean ore]

get a pack with 2 starbursts and open it and hope you get your favorite flavor

boom, gambling

[grim hazel]

nearly as much as my car

[ocean ore]

a lot of cash moneys

[tame quartz]

[grim hazel]

yeah, but very much worth it

[ocean ore]

i got my macbook for $0 i think its worth it

🔥

[grim hazel]

lol what

[ocean ore]

FREE JUNK LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[grim hazel]

XD

[ocean ore]

its from 2015 or smth

for 0 dollars its absolute trash condition yet it is worth it

i am happy

[grim hazel]

this pc also has a 2070 super and 2 1TB nvme + 2 2TB hdds

[ocean ore]

fire

120 GB ssd with mac os dualboot so 60 gb for archlinux

intel hd graphics

[grim hazel]

i'm on arch rn

[ocean ore]

based

[grim hazel]

i have also a lappy with an i5 12th or 13th gen

don't remember

and 16gb of ram

no dgpu tho

just intel xe graphics

[ocean ore]

have my fastfetch

[ocean ore]

local ip doxx

[ocean ore]

cool

[grim hazel]

bruh, caelestia messing with it

[ocean ore]

programming language progress

[grim hazel]

gg

[ocean ore]

its in userspace c

its quite embedable

[grim hazel]

i'm still trying to get a java os to boot too

[ocean ore]

literally print function

[ocean ore]

cool

[grim hazel]

well, i'll go to sleep lol, it's late XD

[ocean ore]

hyprland

[grim hazel]

and caelestia

[ocean ore]

im too lazy to set that up

[grim hazel]

just install caelestia

[ocean ore]

oh no the basic shill

[grim hazel]

comes with all done for ya

[gloomy mist]

"wow its the hero of kvachkvass"

[grim hazel]

https://github.com/caelestia-dots/caelestia

[ocean ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1406827148068782171/1430188041372434516/speechmemified_Screenshot_20251021_083524_Reddit.gif.gif

[grim hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423054245430694053/1423055104952504450/cat_bomb.gif

[ocean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/public-static-void-main-string-args-public-static-void-main-gif-11864403685421894539

[grim hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1013636347019411506/1366388469064273930/togif.gif

meme from a mc server XD

this one is so good, lol

[ocean ore]

why are so many people drawing anime girls drinking gas

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874132916177874954/1330544975846445200/attachment-2-1-1.gif

[grim hazel]

LOOOL

[ocean ore]

mildly expensive drink fr

[grim hazel]

1.59 euros /L

for diesel

pain

[ocean ore]

im not european
-# i mean i am but i am quite forcefully subjected to currently reside in the US

when will ukraine join the eu for once in their life 😭

anyways

[grim hazel]

after the war ends prob

[ocean ore]

true

(if it ends)

a \n? in THIS economy?

quote signs are unused

for passerbys: not a kernel shell its a dumb side project that im making

[grim hazel]

tho it can be used as a shell lang

like bash

[ocean ore]

is true

you think it can work as a shell lang actually?

[grim hazel]

ye

[ocean ore]

fair

[grim hazel]

bash is interpreted

[ocean ore]

ik

it probably requires just as much porting as bash

malloc is used heavily

[grim hazel]

i would suggest using libc tho

you can

bc you are in userland

that will let you use gcc or llvm allocators

[ocean ore]

fair

[grim hazel]

well, cya now

time for sleep

[ocean ore]

yo people here is this reasonable for commands without arguments

theres no arguments per se its like linux

because the exit keyword doesnt care what arguments it has you can give it anything

what if i geniunely set up this thing to use INSTEAD OF bash

its literally a shell

[gloomy mist]

gas pump shall have its revenge!!!

[ocean ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159299233141248011/1405269870160908429/togif.gif

Do NOT

[gloomy mist]

there is no try. only DO, or DO NOT

[ocean ore]

wise words

[lime socket]

Please do not the cat

[ocean ore]

⚠️ do not the cat ⚠️

[ocean ore]

watching a dankpods vid rn

fr?

michael sfot

when apple does it it's reasonable but when microsoft does it it feels like they took away my human rights

oh wait its S mode

guys watch the entire video before commenting

i thought its just home edition

[light valley]

haha

shit happened to me too

[ocean ore]

wdym you too

bro has had a computer with s mode fr 😔

[light valley]

yes

[ocean ore]

ngl i want an orca as a mascot for this

completely unfitting but orcas are just very based

nvm theres a program named orca

i have to try harder on giving this piece of trash a mascot (time to pick out some random animal)

uhhhh orangutan

uhh beaver

theres an absense of beavers in personal computing

penguin?

[gloomy mist]

it was never reasonable for apple to do it

walled gardens can do one

[tame quartz]

just make it a sentient bottle of Kvass

[ocean ore]

fair enough but i still probably hate consumer windows more than macos

[ocean ore]

[ocean ore]

programming language progress

• commands accept args
• variables almost done

i need

• if statements
• reading script files

also functions

maybe i can just do it like batch with their "goto"

:test
echo test
goto test

how its done in batch

this one is a forever loop

obv

idk maybe handle functions the same way i handle keywords

pass arguments or smth

have the function handler look at the arguments

[tame quartz]

batch mentioned

[gloomy mist]

how will you do expressions?

recursive descent?

[ocean ore]

uhhh

[ocean ore]

wuzzat

[next beacon]

love to hear it mr kvassman

you gonna name the language something related

[ocean ore]

todo: change my username to kvass man

-# or just keep my name v2 for the kek

[ocean ore]

idk what i should call it the name rn is just "kvass micro interpreter"

because it small fr

kmi

the syntax basically is command: args, separated, by, commas;

or variable = some value idk;

oh no

i got a math test right now

NOOOO

ok afk

[gloomy mist]

kilovolts ass

= kvass

[ocean ore]

ok back

[ocean ore]

😔

kilovolts per ass

kv/ass

[ocean ore]

to put var as an argument you use dollar sign

AAAA = retro rocket person stop making fun of the operating systems name i beg you;
print $AAAA;

[grim hazel]

lol, at least you are having some fun

i'm rewriting my whole scheduler bc i decided now to make a LinkedList class

lol

[ocean ore]

put "kilovolts ass = kvass" on the yet to be website of this garbage

[grim hazel]

[ocean ore]

idk how to do maths and all that tho

variable = 2;
variable(math) = $variable + 2;
print $variable;

absolutely psychotic syntax idea

[grim hazel]

why (math)?

[ocean ore]

there aint no types you can theoretically just do string operations

[grim hazel]

bruh

types are essential...

[ocean ore]

python?

MUAHAHAHAHA

[grim hazel]

no types = javascript

and that's so ass

[ocean ore]

variable = hello;
variable(strop) += rld;
print $variable;

hellorld

eait no

i edited it slightly

mild 1984 for the sake of your sanity

[ocean ore]

variable(strop) -= 3 would remove 3 characters from the right

also there ARE types

technically

you cant use integer operators on text

you can turn an integer to text tho

[ocean ore]

im most likely modifying the syntax a bit to be even more brain damaging

because what if you wanted to insert 3 characters on the left

[ocean ore]

ykw update

variable = 2;
variable += 2;
print $variable;

boom, world peace

i do have types it aint that bad

all variables are technically strings but if they only have numbers they will somehow be treated as numbers

this type of crap might make up for the absense of a printf

-# not in my os but here

[ocean ore]

string = ur number is: ;
number = 69420;
string >= number;
print $number;

psychotic syntax idea, want it to output "ur number is 69420"

i want >= to mean "add to right of string" like add to the right
if >= was <= then i want it to output "69420 ur number is: "

if that means bit shift in c, shush because this isnt c

you can calculate bit shift yourself kekw

number = 69420;
number = $number >> 2;

or do this idek
(random example)

anyways i have to implement allat now 😔

better than the gdt setup experience at least

im gonna think of ifs later

theres still an hour before i get home tho

if yall think this is TOO stupid please stop me before this becomes javascript/python the second

[ocean ore]

or just do string += number and number += string instead . . .

but youll have to print number tho

nvm im keeping this, all bit shift enjoyers here, you dont exist

[next beacon]

What about string wuoges

Quotes *

Why do your strings just have nothing showing they’re strings

It could be symbol names, key words, etc

[ocean ore]

uhhhhh

[next beacon]

What about typing

Inferred?

Dynamic?

[ocean ore]

wdym

[next beacon]

Are types supposed to be just determined based off the data

[ocean ore]

yes

[next beacon]

Like if you do ‘x = “string”‘it’ll know x is a string

[ocean ore]

yes

if string is a string x becomes a string

if a variable only has numbers in it it becomes an integer

[tall apex]

so you can't concat two strings with numbers?

[ocean ore]

like 2+2=22?

[tall apex]

yeah

[ocean ore]

id say you can

[tall apex]

oh how do you compare them then

[ocean ore]

all of these features arent even added these are just ideas 😔

[tall apex]

if that does concat

ah okay nvm then

[ocean ore]

compare what

[tall apex]

my point is that "2" >= "2" is ambigous

[ocean ore]

if its in an if statement its a comparison i guess

[tall apex]

if it's a true expression or "22"

[ocean ore]

or add like something to indicate that its a comparison and not an off brand bit shift

[tall apex]

okay if "2" >= "2" >= "2" then?

[ocean ore]

why would you compare strings like this

i mean i can compare them by string length
now it becomes 1 >= 1 >= 1

1 IS greater or equal to 1, and the 1 in the center is equal to the 1 on the right, so it returns true

[tall apex]

oh I meant one of them to be a concat

[ocean ore]

why would you do concats in an if statement

[tall apex]

depending on associativity

[ocean ore]

[tall apex]

I didn't know you wanted it to affect operators on all levels in the condition

I assumed you only meant the top level

[ocean ore]

oh

fair enough

yeah if its in like an if statement or some bool thing then its a comparison

make some keyword to compare and then output either 1 or 0 to a variable ig

[tall apex]

keyword for compare and binary operator for string concat 👀

you have your priorities straight

[ocean ore]

make it as bad as humanly possible?

[tall apex]

I like it

[ocean ore]

oh

surprising

[tall apex]

I mean I like making it bad

I considered making a pessimizing compiler the other day

instead of an optimizing one

[ocean ore]

idk im not trying to make it bad but it might just be and i hope someone suffers using it if thats the case

honestly what if i just add variable types

like actual variable types

[tall apex]

that makes sense to me

or just don't do implicit conversions to/from int

int(v) + int(w)

or whatever

there are many less crappy solutions

[ocean ore]

true

maybe variables should be declared like int(VARNAME)?

[tall apex]

sure

[ocean ore]

text(string) = "Hello World";
int(variable) = 69420;
print $text;

how would printing ints work tho? itoa?

pass void pointers to the keyword, make IT bother with the types

(give a type array for it obv)

[tall apex]

you could ask the user to convert before printing

[ocean ore]

true

but on the keyword's side?

it uses the same style of argument passing as linux or whatever (argv and argc) rn

yeah uhh ima try to figure it out

f

[next beacon]

But what if you do 'x = string’ … but string was a variable

[ocean ore]

im just gonna add types bro 😭

oh

wait

you add a $ before any mention of a variable

also im gonna go actually add quotes

[ocean ore]

if dollar sign is inside a quote, then its a uhhh

nothing

its a dollar sign

ok so:

integer(i) = -20;
text(t) = "string";
unsignedInteger(u) = 2000;

yis

im too lazy to do like

integer(int)

no you cant use capital letters

let me just get this potato working and add the feature for that

honestly this lang IS case sensitive

you cant use print (lowercase) like in something like PRINT: "A GHOAST OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO SCARY"

happy halloween (i might be slightly behind)

a ghoast entared into the rohm and i screaaaamed with fraieiiiiiiighhhhhhht "oh noooooooO!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[ocean ore]

yes you can use the regular ol' reliable equals sign when you are EDITING a variable

(thats your only option)

like you dont type int variable += 4 in C that would be stupid

[ocean ore]

messing around with html

i want to destroy it

the URGE to just NUKE it

[warm fable]

JS have types though, just implicit, like Python. Batch on the other hand.

[ocean ore]

batch doesnt exist

[ocean ore]

if you're playing moonlight sonata from sheet music how do you turn the page

it's insanely fast

(the third movement)

anyways so uh

i think i need to osdev more or whatever

this thread is quite literally the most off topic thing ever

[next beacon]

Find a way to tie it to kvass :)

[ocean ore]

programming language FOR kvass

[next beacon]

I’m making one for my os too

[next beacon]

Floprogramming language

[ocean ore]

use mine with your os and get:

• horrible syntax
• bugs
• confused users
• (currently) undocumented interfaces

worth it?

[next beacon]

Absolutely

This is kinda a syntax example of mine

[ocean ore]

indээd

[next beacon]

Lemme type one out

[ocean ore]

funky messages when booting mac os in verbose mode

unsurprising for it to start pae and 64 bit mode

[ocean ore]

i feel like mercilessly nuking the progamming language project

MUAHAHAHAHAH

[warm fable]

XML??

[ocean ore]

XML??

what was apple doing in 2005 😭

[warm fable]

True lmao

[ocean ore]

i mean i guess they can enjoy their xml

[warm fable]

🙂

[ocean ore]

its a mac i shouldnt even care

it just does everything by itself and it can do it for stupid people as well

[ocean ore]

ok im nuking the programming lang project MUAHAHAHAHAHA

anyways time to finally clone the os repo

or something

im doing a big funny where im gonan compile modern gcc on mac os tiger

what if i can osdev on it

i should build git too

unless it commits fart

[ocean ore]

its gonna be revived later its just that my code is sheer spaghetti

i myself cant navigate it anymore

[void wharf]

fair enough lol

[ocean ore]

fair

anyways im gonna try osdev on vintage-ish mac os because i can compile gcc

RUNNING GCC AT 3 AM (police called)

[gloomy mist]

"hot C compilers in your local area"

[ocean ore]

i evolved into the 2006 macbook pro

superior form indeed

[ocean ore]

[modern shell]

too superior I couldn't recognise u 😔

[ocean ore]

https://tenor.com/view/pyro-tf2-pyro-team-fortress2-team-fortress-laugh-gif-25488200

[ocean ore]

some app is throwing LITERAL ADS INTO MY FRICKING CAMERA ROLL

they have crossed the line im gonna nuke it

they have went so far

oh wait right i CANT nuke it i have to use it to talk to some people

YOU SEE WHAT PEOPLE PUT UP WITH

THEY PUT UP WITH ADS IN THEIR STINKING CAMERA ROLL

HOW DO YOU SURVIVE THIS ABSOLUTE DEGREE OF SLOP I HAVE NO IDEA

FORGET OF AI, LOOK AT HOW FAR UP OUR ASSES THEYRE SHOVING UP THIS GARBAGE (SO MUCH ADVERTISEMENTS)

ok rage over

LONG LIVE FOSS

[ocean ore]

ima revive this project all i fr need to do is clone the git and i mightve been too lazy to run like 2 terminal commands

[modern shell]

capitalism: socialism is only good in theory
also capitalism:

[ocean ore]

no

screw communism

capitalism aint good either

theyre all bad

[grim hazel]

real communism can be good

[modern shell]

realest

[ocean ore]

no

[grim hazel]

but how it was implemented was so bad

[ocean ore]

there is no good way to implement it

i mean idk

my parents lived in the ussr

it was bad bad

[modern shell]

humans cant possibly implement real communism so

[grim hazel]

yeah ussr is a very bad example

fake communism

[grim hazel]

yeah, that's why i said theoretical real communism

bc it hasn't been done yet

and prob never will

[ocean ore]

honestly i dont think well ever find good society, we can only do slightly less bad society
which is relatively good

[grim hazel]

yeah

[ocean ore]

fr pre trump america was actually somewhat good

[grim hazel]

pre Biden too tbh

[modern shell]

we've had hardcore socialism here for a while it had its ups and downs
ironically enough the remains of the socialist system are the only parts that keep our country functioning here kekw

[grim hazel]

last 2 presidents are bad tbh

[modern shell]

Obama shilling goes brrrr

[barren sierra]

❌

communism can't be good

[ocean ore]

bamna

[ocean ore]

UES ONE IS BASED FIBALLY

i feel like making war with americans, BEHOLD!

||colour||

let the uhhhh uhhh hmmm uhh i forgot unfold

[ocean ore]

my grades are done for i have a b in spanish now i myself am done for

how tf am i explaining this

i forgot to turn in something too

[gloomy mist]

just say that b in Spanish is el A, senor

is Spanish important for what you want to do?

[ocean ore]

no

but go tell that to my mom

she dont care

i wanna do computer garbage but she will literally nuke me if i get a bad grade on anything

[ocean ore]

uhhh uno dos tres cuatros

[gloomy mist]

Uno?

[ocean ore]

[gloomy mist]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-laughing-reverse-reverse-card-reverse-uno-gif-3758578067338957449

I don't miss being at school

[ocean ore]

also apparently the attachment count on google classroom overflowed (blame my web design teacher, he wants me to send code in images) so some important ish google doc for the unit didnt get sent

[gloomy mist]

ew, send code as images?!

[ocean ore]

i want outta here NOW 😭

[ocean ore]

yes

i regret joining this now

crappy school pc keyboard makes my hands hurt too

i mean i always tell literally everyone how dumdum the teacher is with the story of how he attempted to run a windows executable on a mac

notepad++

i need a tutorial on how to cope with immense amounts of garbage in life ngl

[gloomy mist]

school isn't forever and very little of it is important in my experience, but my experience isn't your experience

[ocean ore]

true, i think it is as well
college or whatever is more important

all my grades are passing too

but again how do i convince my mom who seems to have anger issues

[gloomy mist]

are you in the US?

for us in the UK college is different to university. school 11-16, college 16-18, university 18-21 (or whenever, but most do it at 18 not when they're older with commitments)

college was more useful to me than university tbh all I got from university was debt, and the same qualifications as everyone else, college taught me the practical software skills I still use now

and at college we specialise... not like US 16-18 where you gotta pick a ton of useless modules to get into "college"

I specialised in computing, business studies, English literature

[ocean ore]

yeah

[ocean ore]

very interesting

[ocean ore]

college is the same here people say, people get such absolute omega loads of these debts and they say they haven't learned anything

my parents claim that if i get good grades its just gonna be free but there is geniunely NO way

10k murican bux just spared because i got a's?

No.

can't be

too good

[grim hazel]

i just hated school

now i'm "free" at uni

i choose when to take exams

and i don't need to be always there

[ocean ore]

free....................

[grim hazel]

well yeah

[ocean ore]

true

[grim hazel]

also, all the cost of schools here is just books

that i resold after

and the state paid for some of them

now i get 4k euros for free at uni

bc i my family doesn't make that much

thank god it's not like the usa

[ocean ore]

efsEWFNHL KYU>OI,mLJK Jjaz

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

WHY AM I HERE

I REGRET BEGGING MY PARENTS

sGRNJEFKJSHDBNFLUHSKJDF<HDSNFKJFS

ID RATHER DIE IN AN AIR STRIKE

[grim hazel]

school is still bad (doesn't teach anything good or useful and professors can't teach) but at least i don't pay for nothing

[ocean ore]

you made me think there is a light at the end of this stupid fart but apparently there is not

literally to preserve my sanity i have to commit leave usa

[grim hazel]

only uni is somewhat good

[ocean ore]

insane

[grim hazel]

before it, it's so bad

[ocean ore]

obviously

[grim hazel]

i knew more than my professors in IT

[ocean ore]

you read what i said about my web design teacher?

above

[grim hazel]

• why tf do i have to study LITERATURE in an IT path