#Nullium

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wild glen
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what to do with unix programs tho the way they read flag stuff is probs hardcoded

gloomy musk
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Isn't the format of flags/parameters up to the program to decide?

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it's just that using a - is usually the most common way of doing it?

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Or am I going insane KEKW

hushed briar
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It is

gloomy musk
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okie thought so lol

hushed briar
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void fuckshit()

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If you know you know

wild glen
wild glen
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GUESS WHAT ITS TIME FOR SLAB AND WHATEVER OTHER PARTIAL PAGE RESERVER ALLOCATORS trl

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MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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(i will hate this)

hushed briar
wild glen
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what defines as a vmm

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i can map addresses (on demand :0) (probably :0) (idk i might need to address page faults :0)

hushed briar
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Can you

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Create address spaces

wild glen
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uhhhh

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i can map a shit load of addresses??? (ok i might have to finish my vmm (idk what defines as a finished vmm) i cant just evade it)

hushed briar
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What does that mean

wild glen
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uhhh idunno

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i can map a bunch of pages i guess

hushed briar
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Okay…

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How do you manage virtual regions

wild glen
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is that what i need or do i need to do it in a fancy way

hushed briar
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You need some sort of vm region

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Struct

wild glen
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didnt you do like 1 gb of kernel and 3 gb of user?

hushed briar
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Yeah

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That’s the global address space though

wild glen
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tho user is demand-paged iirc

wild glen
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oh god programs need their own

hushed briar
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Yes…

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Every process needs an address space T

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This is usually done by giving each process a page table

wild glen
hushed briar
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I mean

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You’d start off with one

wild glen
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ok reasonable

hushed briar
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And allocate more as needed

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Your vmm should take care of that

wild glen
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k i guess

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i might need the global addr space first

hushed briar
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Yeah lol

wild glen
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ok yeah the global addr space is simpler

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freelists? trl

hushed briar
wild glen
hushed briar
wild glen
hushed briar
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You need to be more specific

wild glen
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i became a ▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁▁ shill (idk what to shill)

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anyways i retire from shilling

wild glen
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WHY IS THIS "a stalemate"

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I WOULDVE WON

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istg chasing this stupid bot king around was a pain in the ass

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bro does not want to fucking die

balmy stump
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Me when my opponent plays the game

wild glen
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i hope he just died trl

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why did the round end with "a stalemate" here though

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:'(

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chess is evil

gloomy musk
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Should've played Qc7# lol

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or Re8#

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or Qa8#

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okay I'll stop now trl

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Use CCA true

wild glen
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i has been win (TM)

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im a noob tho

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(beginner(tm))

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i want nullium chess NOW

gloomy musk
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awesome sauce 😎

wild glen
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i havent tried increasing the bot difficulty yet

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i always end up in stalemates somehow

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tfw the best multiplayer game has existed for a few thousand years

gloomy musk
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I forgor what bot I got up to

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ah, her apparently

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wild glen
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idk im on 400

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still tho 1200 seems insane

gloomy musk
wild glen
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mine is 0 i havent done any actual multiplayer game

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i tried on my school laptop during study hall but then somehow the period ended or smth

sour pollen
hushed briar
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Jkjk

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I’m rated like 1700

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And 1900 on lichess

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My lichess is up to date I just haven’t played chess.com in a fat minute

gloomy musk
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that's awesome!

wild glen
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trapped him :/

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revived windows 7 laptop

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the cmos is dead and the battery is absolutely fucked

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but like it works

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dell latitude e6500

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also pretend like i didnt test retro rocket basic on it some time ago trl

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the fan sounds like someone's breathing ngl

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i forgot it had visual studio on it

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or no wait

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no i remember but i still forgot

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my short term memory is beyond done for

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THE LICENSE EXPIRED NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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nevermind it booted

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its time to look at my shitty old c code

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with the file being a c++ file i think i just didnt use the features

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the wifi chip on this thing is so ass

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i reactivated vs tho

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directx house

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deadass went from this to making an os

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i have a mouth and i can scream

wild glen
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nullium on pentium 3?

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i love laptops with the charging port on the back

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idk why they're geniunuely peak

wild glen
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humanity finally found out what to reconstruct

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anyways ima do vmm stuff (address spaces)

wild glen
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imagine windows 8 actually improved aero

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make it even more beautiful

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instead we got a fucking off brand ipad

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they were going to just make it flat anyways

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the beta versions have a flat aero

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why didnt they at least keep flat aero it's like they deleted at least 2 years worth of their effort

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apple's liquid glass somewhat brings back the idea of aero but it's still actual ass

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the icons are still flat and corporate to shit

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idk man

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also there's ok progress on the vmm(?)

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taskbar on the right is peak

image.png
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not linux im just using a windows 7 laptop to type

untold nest
wild glen
wild glen
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does a vmm just handle address spaces or does it do more

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ok i assume thats all it can do

wild glen
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github is privated im gonna move to codeberg for shits and giggles trl

wild glen
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MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

fluid moon
wild glen
wild glen
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also git works like ass and its questionable for a website called GIThub

fluid moon
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git is great, github sucks

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git is the best VCS

wild glen
wild glen
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these fucking michael softs

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ngl i want a vcs in nullium that can be set up on files so they can be restored to their previous version later

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maybe like mac time machine

wild glen
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gnu nano my beloved

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best terminal text editor

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i started a vote on if i should port gnu freebsd or make my own coreutils

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cool vote but ima make my own except nano

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bash's gonna be ported later idk

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i need to work on this morr

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more

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i need to think about that later and get my shit together first

hushed briar
wild glen
sour pollen
hushed briar
wild glen
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as in on the hard drive

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it is time to lock in and finish moving nullium trl

wild glen
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i might make separate repos for the kernel and like coreutils or smth

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how do you guys do folders that are like other repos

gloomy musk
wild glen
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idrk how to make one tho ima search it up prob

wild glen
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i figured out how to do submodules

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yiy

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[message contained codeberg links, plan switched]

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i need to change all the github text now

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time to vmm

wild glen
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codeberg died

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i cant push shit :(

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these fucking Indie Programs working like Ass(TM) as Usual

wild glen
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FUCK

wild glen
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i crashed out so i moved to gitlab

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lemme unprivate everything

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wait the repos are still private

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pardon me for big stupid

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damn

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ok done

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im now on gitlab™ hopefully for the rest of this stupid project's life

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also it's a group so i dont have to post multiple repos

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quite convenient

wild glen
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thread died :c

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i need a break idk

wild glen
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i set them up very weird probably

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idk

wild glen
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discord is recommending me custom themes like i can afford to use them

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scumbag behavior

wild glen
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ima finish my vmm then consider making a 64 bit version as well as a 32 bit one for the funnies

wild glen
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i want to put windows xp on my thinkpad but linux dont want to read my fat32 usb???

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why the fuck does it have windows 98 on it

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hopefully balena etcher works

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nevermind it doesnt like windows images

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why am i talking about windows xp here

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i tried gnome disks but it formatted my usb as fucking ISO9660

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can i boot it

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no

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i cant boot ikt

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i will never leave windows even if i try to :(

wild glen
wild glen
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wimbows xp still die

wild glen
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THEY INSTALLED MICROSOFT EDGE ON MY WINDOWS 7 LAPTOP

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IT'S ON AUTORUN TOO

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microsoft i hope you burn in fucking hell

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viva la linux

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if i want chrome then id fucking use chrome

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which i do because supermium is goated ngl

wild glen
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i slightly unfucked paging

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my vmm is still a big stupid

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my vmm is now working except it maps WAYYYY too much

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it identity maps the whole fucking ram

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this is goodn't

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-# WHY CAN'T ENGLISH JUST USE N'T AT THE END

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seriously why do we have to say shit like "i do not like this" instead of "i liken't this"

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why framebuffer not in memory map

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yay

wild glen
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cant push repo :(

fluid moon
wild glen
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i might get detention at school because i lost an id card

this is a vent where the FUCK am i getting 5 dollars to get a new one before i leave today

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this is the dumbest fucking reason for that

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assholes

wild glen
wild glen
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i never even get homework

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wtf am i gonna do in detention

fluid moon
wild glen
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continue making nullium

wild glen
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im getting a new id

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yay

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i probably dont have detention anymore

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also apparently its free

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1 hour over a 0 dollar piece of plastic

fluid moon
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'merica

wild glen
fluid moon
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detention is crazy

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at least here in italy I've never seen anything like that

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school could never force us to stay without our or the family permission

wild glen
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like wtf this country ass

wild glen
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what do i do next

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can i finally move on from memory

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can slab be saved for later

fluid moon
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vmm fully ok?

fluid moon
wild glen
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heap what

fluid moon
wild glen
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no i dont have kmalloc

fluid moon
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do you have address spaces and regions in your vmm?

wild glen
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ok yeah definetely

fluid moon
# wild glen id say yes 
struct Region {
  u64 start_addr;
  u64 size;
  RegionType type;
  RegionFlags flags;
  u64 physical_base;
  Region* next;
  Region* prev;
  bool is_mapped;
};
wild glen
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start size and flags

fluid moon
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you'll probably need the physical address too

wild glen
fluid moon
wild glen
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(u32) physical start
(u32) virtual start
(u32) size
(u8 bitfield) flags

protected mode :/

fluid moon
wild glen
wild glen
fluid moon
wild glen
fluid moon
wild glen
fluid moon
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LAPIC timer supremacy

wild glen
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i have gdt, idt, timer, pmm and vmm

fluid moon
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or HPET

wild glen
fluid moon
wild glen
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i have a pit already

balmy stump
wild glen
fluid moon
wild glen
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anyways what am i supposed to do next now

balmy stump
fluid moon
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yeah PTE lookup better

wild glen
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???

wild glen
fluid moon
# wild glen ???

you reverse the page mapping process to retrieve the physical address from the virtual one

wild glen
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👍

wild glen
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had to remake popkernel repo

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im quite stupid trl

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do i just map pages if i get a page fault

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does the world end if i get a page fault

sour pollen
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depends on what kind of region the page faulting address corresponds to and how you want to handle it

wild glen
sour pollen
wild glen
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also yeah im doing simple anonymous memory stuff

sour pollen
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what used chunk?

wild glen
sour pollen
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you generally have some interface to map pages into an address space

wild glen
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i do

sour pollen
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you allocate a new physical address

wild glen
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i already have one

sour pollen
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and map it

wild glen
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do i just call it at the page fault

sour pollen
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yes

wild glen
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oh ok fair

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thanks

sour pollen
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it will run the faulting instruction again after returning from the page fault

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so it will just access the newly mapped page

wild glen
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oh

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understandable

wild glen
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i have met triple fault

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the destroyer of the kernels

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anyways i allocated memory for big ass framebuffer

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yay

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i can use all of the pixels on my screen

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wait no

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terminal framebuffer btw

wild glen
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people who just post gifs when you complain ONE time need to just die

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"ragebait"

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we can't have any good in this world

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except me setting up all the memory managers trl

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anyways i need to fix my vmm slightly again

hollow flare
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how can vmm be THAT hard

wild glen
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it breaks sometimes

hollow flare
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that tracks

wild glen
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also it was fixed an hour (or more) ago and i just have dementia

hollow flare
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wild

wild glen
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i forgor about heap as well

hollow flare
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HOW

wild glen
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idontknow

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i mean i have to implement it some time

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this is so stupid bruh

wild glen
hollow flare
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you will eventually suffer for not having a heap

wild glen
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im pretty sure userspace programs have their own heaps

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ok lemme just do kernel heap

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👍❓

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forgor

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ergiolerfkjlewklfjwekl

hollow flare
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yes they do but stuff in the kernel needs to use its own heap aswell

wild glen
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kernel need heap or no'nt (strpoke)

wild glen
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kernel do need heap

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what if i just port an existing implementation trl

hollow flare
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thats would work

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just get a heap

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any works

wild glen
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mk

gloomy musk
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but a simple one ain't too hard

wild glen
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i have to do heaps now

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Bruh

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can i just do something fun idk program loading nooo

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not even fun just something else

gloomy musk
hollow flare
sour pollen
wild glen
balmy stump
wild glen
fluid moon
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it's a small hell

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but ELF is documented pretty well so it's not that hard

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the real problem is memory management in userspace

gloomy musk
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Program loading sounds fun lol

fluid moon
wild glen
wild glen
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syscalls r the easiest

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probably

wild glen
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apple's some dude's defense for macs having the most gatekept shutdown button is that "it's unnecessary as everything is gonna be defragmented and its gonna be faster in the morning" etc

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idk i heard that somewhere

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maybe some dude was bullshitting

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what happens in that fucking sleep mode that it will fix everything

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its just a standby mode

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also i remembered another guy who claims he "worked at microsoft" and was "designing windows nt 4"

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said something like "the start menu gradient on the left was like really hard to generate and it isnt just a bitmap" it's a bitmap

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deadass it's a bitmap

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it was extracted from explorer

sour pollen
wild glen
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they do NOT want you to shut down your pc

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like ever

sour pollen
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how

wild glen
sour pollen
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like just press the button

wild glen
sour pollen
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???

wild glen
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they kinda just heavily discourage you from shutting your mac down

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you can still do it they just dont like it

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they want you to use sleep mode

sour pollen
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i guess

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but they absolutely don’t make it hard to shutdown

wild glen
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true

wild glen
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its heap time

fluid moon
wild glen
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"unfucks its internal structure and makes itself more stable" or sm bs

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not even drive defrag its probably just fucking ram atp 😭

fluid moon
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heap time

wild glen
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heap time

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deltarune brainrot go here

wild glen
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ok so im gonna triple boot nullium when i could on my old ass laptops

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idk how can i multiboot windows 98, nt (2000 or xp) and this shit without going insane

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chainloaders?

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does limine run on the most ass potato?

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can i put windows 98 and my os on the same partition (fat32)

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most likely i can

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idfk

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is 2-4 gb enough

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should be

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i always give windows 98 like minimal hard drive space

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or not minimal just not a lot

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4 gb out of 30 gb

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the rest goes to nt since thats what i actually use on these laptops

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ima just make a separate partition if i do something funky with the hard drives eventually

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and also so i can format it easily

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maybe

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i should be doing my heap bruh 😭

fluid moon
wild glen
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with more than 13 coordinated murders up his sleeve, the gang under his control has taken over the entirety of chicago trl

wild glen
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i might get documentation for my thinkpad's audio output

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how the fuck is it this documented

wild glen
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it has a few other things i assume

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wait no thats the wrong card

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same brand tho

wild glen
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the biggest problem might be the ati radeon card

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the radeon 7500 i think

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are there any info on really old radeon cards so i can save it for later anywhere

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if yall know anything please tell me i want my radeon documentation

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ok gpu's are evil actually i dont need them unless im using windows xp trl

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cope?

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AC97 exists

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standards my beloved

wild glen
wild glen
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does anyone else print a shit load of debug messages and then cut them all when you're done

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like "ok this works no more debug stuff"

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also kind reminder: DRINK WATER PLEASE

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this applies to everyone

fluid moon
wild glen
wild glen
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taking a break today

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👍

wild glen
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i have windows xp now

winxp.PNG
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why is it so blue

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the thinkpad screen is so jaded

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im pretty sure lenovo posted the drivers for monitor

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i mean the monitor palette files

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ok it was in 16 bit color by default

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color is still ass

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i installed a monitor driver

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time to reboot

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after reboot the color is still slightly funny

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its just the bliss wallpaper

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it looks better than without the monitor driver tho

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time to make my 4gb fat32 partition that will be fed to windows 98

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im putting limone on it afterwards

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:(

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i have been unix'd

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by instinct i just type ls

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and i promptly get nuh uh'd

wild glen
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w98 up

wild glen
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windows should bring back "nicknames" and "names"

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i mean the system thats used by unix

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in unixes you have a display name and a user name

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you log in through the username and all that stuff

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yall know

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idk i think windows should bring that back

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it was always there its just you cant do it directly on user account setup

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or whatever

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yall can still do it by making a user with what you want to be your user name and then you just rename it and its your display name now

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works on every windows that still has local accounts in it (windows is so fucked :c)

wild glen
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idk whyd one use that

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its cool tho

wild glen
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idea for stupid limine bootloader install

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install on a usb

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steal the boot sector

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put it on hard drive partition

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copy the rest of the limine stuff

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use

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i blame mintsuki for this

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and finally nullium has a practical use

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it didnt work

wild glen
wild glen
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it is probably time to reinstall windows again

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plz dont use limine on potatoes that cant even run 32 bit ubuntu

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how am i supposed to even boot my os on my target system

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chainload limine from grub4dos trl

wild glen
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use grub2 on these things

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way easier to set up

wild glen
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i decided to test my os under grub

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enabling paging breaks the framebuffer there

wild glen
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FIXED

hushed briar
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You gotta do it weird

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On grub

wild glen
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its a bit funky

hushed briar
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If you need help with fuckshit

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void fuckshit();

wild glen
hushed briar
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Nah

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I was gonna

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But I wanna actually finish the first FloppaOS

wild glen
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oh ok fair

hushed briar
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I’m working on a new vmm

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Shits fucking assn

wild glen
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did mint expect everyone in the universe to use linux idfk

wild glen
amber pier
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there was a limine-deploy.exe at one point

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and if it was compiled with mingw chances are it might just work

hushed briar
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i meant to say cygwin or mingw

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yeah

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mingw is probably more backwards compatible

wild glen
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or smth

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i cant provide it

wild glen
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grub provides me the wrong amount of memory on my pc

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what the fuck

hushed briar
wild glen
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my framebuffer is at an address greater than the memory

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The value returned for upper memory is maximally the address of the first upper memory hole minus 1 megabyte. It is not guaranteed to be this value.

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what in the fuck

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IT'S NOT GUARANTEED

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????????????

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WHAT

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WHAT IS THE VALUE

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WHAT IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE

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WHAT IS THE GUARANTEED MEMORY VALUE

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it returns it divided by /4???

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gnu what the fuck

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done i fixed this fucker

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gnu kill yourself

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i have to divide it by 1.3

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no wait i have to divide the total memory

# 
mem_Info.mem_total = ((meminfo->mem_lower + meminfo->mem_upper) * 1024) / 768; // GNU FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
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just have this shit

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it's in kilobytes

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now you have to specify if nullium is booted from limine or not

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Bruh

timid drum
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if there's a big hole then the end address might be larger than the total size

wild glen
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what

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how do i get the actual amount of memory

timid drum
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just walk the memory map and sum the sizes?

timid drum
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mem_upper seems to be a stupid value

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it's the end address of a memory block whose starting address is below or at 1MB, and end address is after 1MB

wild glen
timid drum
wild glen
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i cant use the entire memory?

timid drum
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just use the memory map

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why are you even looking at these values to begin with

wild glen
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get total amount of memory

wild glen
timid drum
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no it means its just not reported in the mem_upper value

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as i said, stop looking at it

wild glen
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fine

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thanks for the info tho

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i have a few complaints to whoever the fuck made this now tho

hushed briar
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thats what i do

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what most do i assume

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Iterate through memory regions-> for each one add the size to total memory

hushed briar
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We got mem_total then mem_Info with a capital then meminfo with no capital or underscore

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Keep your conventions consistent

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I mean you don’t have to it just makes it look a bit less immature

wild glen
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i might need to rename everything 😭

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its not consistent at all

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maybe later idk

fluid moon
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pointer arithmetic isn't a reliable way to find memory sizes, especially when you're dealing with physical memory that has lots of holes

wild glen
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i didnt understand gnu's wording the code's removed

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anyways im working on heap allocator now

fluid moon
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me too

wild glen
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i need to reinstall a*ch linux

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can i speedrun it trl

amber pier
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framebuffer is MMIO, not RAM

wild glen
wild glen
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anyways im gonna reinstall arch

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i hope its not as painful as last time

wild glen
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yo ima try continue work tmrw

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no wait

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today

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oops

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anyways i set up a stupid thing because a thinkpad i have has the coolest pc keyboard in existence

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i basically built a home server thing

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some old ass laptop was sacrificed for that

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i put an ssd on it tho

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so it has an abnormal amount of storage for back then (like 500 gb)

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my bloated ass win7 install with multiple VS versions takes 80 g its too much for that old hd

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anyways i have a poo ass home server

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idea
what if everything in nullium is displayed tables

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like dir/ls has a column for "filename" "file extension" "date" "attributes"

package manager has like "name" "description" "version" "license" "size"

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you can put a shit ton in a table

wild glen
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i forgor to nullium

gloomy musk
wild glen
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i set up a home servern't tho (its just an smb share)

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i need to clone everything on there

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also wobbly windows are funny

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the ones in kde

wild glen
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I MOUNTED MY SMB SHARE

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YOOOOOOOO

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anyways

wild glen
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dolphin is giving me 13000 different warnings on not fucking up my system in admin mode

wild glen
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this is my containment there are many others like it but this one is mine

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anyways in my echo chamber i shall claim superiority over the universe as i installed limine 10 before that announcement came out

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also i have to finish a school thing rq before i can do the nullium

wild glen
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OH MY WIFI SPEEDS

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OH NOOOOOO

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i need an ethernet switch

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i need to connect multiple systems at once with a cable

hushed briar
wild glen
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ok done i moved everything to home server

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thing

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YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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i restored the repos

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i love waiting for YEARS and YEARS

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a literal eternity

wild glen
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thread nuked ops

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oops

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why did it disappear from my list

wild glen
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i need to get my shit together and make my cross compiler

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okay so uh

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didnt work at all today 😭

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the big problem are that the speeds for compiling are slow due to uhh

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WiFie

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i should just connect my laptops with ethernet atp

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cant tho im compiling binutils rn

wild glen
wild glen
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can this thread be seen

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its like it got muted

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ik im not posting anything but still

hushed briar
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Also you haven’t been posting a lot of stuff about nullium so

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Most people won’t reply to non OSdev stuff

wild glen
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yeah no i thought the thread got nuked because it ddnt appear in my followed threads

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discord nuked it off there

wild glen
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thread nuked from followed list again

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i need to work on this man

amber pier
wild glen
wild glen
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ok for some reason nullium bugs out when i started it on qemu again

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weird

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why does it die at the IDT

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no wait it seems to be dying at the pit init

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some shit is VERY VERY wrong

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idk what

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the emulation is geniune ass for some reason

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what used to work now just dies and burns

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what if i just restart progress entirely

wild glen
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BRUH

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IT WAS THE FUCKING HOME SERVER

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MICROSOFT >:C

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nevermind

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what the fuck

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its geniunely dying

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help

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imma do a rewrite

wild glen
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maybe ima do power pc idk

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yeah idk rewrite time probablyn't

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finally i can be free from the gdt's

hollow flare
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a rewrite a day keeps the happiness away :D

lilac void
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Nice os : >

hushed briar
wild glen
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also thanks

hushed briar
fickle widget
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Is this project still going?

fickle widget
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:c

cunning trail
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median estuary
cunning trail
median estuary