AuroraOS

[mental otter]

My commit is up on my fork if you wana see what it looks like (besides the actual sysdeps being cursed 💀)

[quaint cape]

got coreutils ported

[mental otter]

i think your exit isnt working here

and the IP is running off into junk?

[quaint cape]

probably

ima start adding more debug in exit tbh

[mental otter]

What mine does is set a flag for the scheduler and then preempts its slef

Then the schedular cannot run that task and it sends it to the reaper queue to be destroyed

And reclaimed etc

And ontop I have a panic() if it ever manages to run past that

[quaint cape]

@mental otter pushed the new jinx system etc

feel free to port doom

and remember to clone dev branch

not main

deeeeeevvvv

[mental otter]

Tomorrow maybe

[quaint cape]

Its fine Ima sleep anyways

Ohh shii guys i accidentally deleted my README.md file

Welp

Problem for TMRW.

[mental otter]

Git?

[quaint cape]

I'm unsure how I managed to do that

Maybe one slepless night i rm -rf it out of existence

Sounds like something i could do tbh

[mental otter]

I mean it can still be recovered from a previous commit

[quaint cape]

huh

new mlibc thing ig

[quaint cape]

huh

why does that all of a sudden not work?

@zealous girder do yk what they changed in the latest mlibc version to not allow me to define my own statfs impl anymore?

[mental otter]

It says right there you need to enable the Linux option lol

[quaint cape]

Yea, but if I don't want to enable it.

In the past mlibc versions I dont have the Linux option enabled and it still worked.

[zealous girder]

i do not know

i haven't used mlibc in a while and i no longer maintain it

[quaint cape]

welp idk what to do

[quaint cape]

where and who could i ask

[mental otter]

Ahh

Also doom port now?

[quaint cape]

Soon

[mental otter]

I mean

Do you want me to port it

[zealous girder]

idk ask @mild shoal

[quaint cape]

No my jinx is shitty

yk my mlibc build is broken

as they for some reason don't allow me to define my own statfs impl

wait until Mathewnd responds

also i might retire aurora-org

and move it under Wicks/

[mild shoal]

You can always just implement statvfs instead

[quaint cape]

ig.

ima do that

@mental otter pushing in 30 min

Feel free to port doom now

i got mlibc to compile

(new mlibc)

and i got jinx to build everything

[quaint cape]

since when did bash need non-anynomous mappings?

[mild shoal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quaint cape]

😭

[quaint cape]

this only happens in new mlibc update

didnt update bash at al

[mild shoal]

You should probably just implement that anyways

[quaint cape]

ig

[mild shoal]

Its a good optimization and saves time and memory

[quaint cape]

welp cant port doom now

[mild shoal]

When you mmap your executables and libraries

[mental otter]

FWIW it works for me with only annon mappings

[quaint cape]

since i got to do that.

[mental otter]

[quaint cape]

welp fixed more memory shit

ima go to school and have a shitty math test and some presentations

cta

cya*

[quaint cape]

Due to feedback from multiple sources I've decided to create a pre-release of AuroraOS available now for the cheap price of 200$. (DM me for further information)

AuroraOS new long-term goal is to be a paid-alternative to Windows and Linux, with AI integrated directly to the kernel.
With these new changes I have within 10 minutes created my own gui library using Claude Code called Auro, it is closed-source and AI first.

You can see the additional screenshots for the sneak-peeks of the new BETA GUI that will be refined and modernized shortly.
You can find the official release trailer here: link

[quaint cape]

New desktop GUI created:

-# please note that this is the official rendering of the AuroraOS project. Do not copy.

[quaint cape]

The new official name for AuroraOS is now auroslop os highlighting our recent changes in our core company policy.

We hope the name changes shows the new core value of our new product.

AuroslopOS

[quaint cape]

New feature announcing: Age verification is confirmed and will come to AuroraOS within shortly to enhance customer experience and steal your face/id protect the children on the internet. Your data does not get shared with anyone else and stays on your system.

[quaint cape]

For whoever didn't know, this was for april fools.

And yall gotta award me for the effort

[quaint cape]

i actually sat like 20 min designing that presentation

and yes, it was a presentation

google slides

[quaint cape]

made print use ringbuffer

[quaint cape]

AuroraOS

60 syscalls btw

[mental otter]

What?

It wasn’t true

I was really excited for it

[quaint cape]

🙏

[quaint cape]

Added a shitty OOM handler

(panics half of the time btw)

[quaint cape]

holy auroraos is resource heave

heavy*

it needs 200 mb ram just to run

its cuz of my ramdisk though

[quaint cape]

welp fixed some more shit

also did some readability stuff

hmm

ima soon do a rewrite

to hopefully eliminate some bugs.

[quaint cape]

FUCK YEA

thank you so much claude

now i can actually run multiple commands

-# and for you wondering, i used up all my free claude credits to debug this shit and then it was a one-liner 😭

okay something is messed up

it throws OOM after like 5 cmds

[vital summit]

I have a 1gb ramdisk in mine

actually as sandbox area to play with not a place for the os

[quaint cape]

fixed

[quaint cape]

1 gb???

[vital summit]

yup

ramdisk is a place to play and save your stuff

as in, it's an empty 1gb space formatted to the os native format

[quaint cape]

@mental otter you got time to port doom today

[mental otter]

I should

Is everything ready?

[quaint cape]

basically

[mental otter]

what’s the frame buffer and input interface looking like and how’s the build system

[quaint cape]

it can execute bash commands

[quaint cape]

build system straight forward

normal jinx

framebuffer is well

[mental otter]

You will need PS/2 raw scan codes available somewhere

[quaint cape]

half baked

[quaint cape]

ima port python rl quick

-# steal mathewnds patches lol

[quaint cape]

damn jinx being stupid

ima port fastfetch

since i want to show off shit that is completely unusable anyways

[quaint cape]

added this in README to comply with new server rules

and yes i got to add this cuz i used claude quite a lot for debugging

[lethal saffron]

where?

is the new rule

[quaint cape]

.

[lethal saffron]

i mean its not a rule

they just think its a good idea

a lot are going to use AI at some point for debugging

or assistance

[quaint cape]

Well yes.

But I would want a motion for it being a rule tbh

Gotta provide a good example.

[vital summit]

isn't much use for older projects either

LLMs didn't exist when I started my os in 2009 but they do now and I do use them for the odd thing here and there

[quaint cape]

Anyways will be out for five days

No development progress at all.

These following days

Will only have my phone

[quaint cape]

@zealous girder Why did Limine move from codeberg back to GitHub?

And why is it not mirrored on Codeberg?

[modern sedge]

true

[zealous girder]

well, as per the second question, mirroring from Codeberg to GitHub is much easier than the reverse since Codeberg has an option to do that and GitHub does not

i could manually mirror it, at least once in a while, i guess, but i'd rather not have to deal with Codeberg at all if i can avoid it

but tl;dr is basically that Codeberg's service is crap with crap uptime and Codeberg is infested to the brim with anti-AI zealots

see https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware/pulls/263

[mental otter]

Oh my fucking god I know this person

Fun fact: this person used to be a vibe coder

And they vibe coded a kernel

And then did not tell me when letting me use code

That was ya know not the best in hind sight

And now they are doing this

Not to mention other things I don’t want to bring up because it’s related on why I stopped talking to them for the most part

[zealous girder]

yeah sounds about right

the reason they went out of their way to do this is because i got into an argument with them over AI use on Fluxer

[quaint cape]

Hmm never experienced that but ig.

[mental otter]

Never took them to be petty

[quaint cape]

GitHub uptime is worse than Codeberg though right?

[zealous girder]

abso-fucking-lutely not lol

[quaint cape]

GitHub has like 89% last I checked.

[mental otter]

Should have expected it tho

[zealous girder]

yeah it was quite petty

[quaint cape]

Ehmm

#idiot

[mental otter]

Same person who invited me to a NSFW server when me and them was a minor and didn’t tell me that there were channels in the open with that shit

[quaint cape]

They gonna call Limine slopware now?

My man.

[mental otter]

When the only AI commit they mentioned was one fucking line

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852

[quaint cape]

Soon ima have to add open-slopware to open-slopware.

Ohh yea guys trash on Python

Python is shitty and ai generated

[mental otter]

They trashed on the Linux kernel

Because the discussed

[quaint cape]

Like who uses that shit anyways

[mental otter]

Using AI for reviews

💀

[quaint cape]

Really.

💀

Ima make a PR adding open-slopware to open slopware

[mental otter]

Don’t

That’s stooping to thier level

[quaint cape]

Also why tf ain't windows mentioned

[mental otter]

Because it’s not open source

[slender lichen]

Yeah lol

[icy herald]

This? https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/secuOS

[slender lichen]

💀

[mental otter]

The arikoto one

And they had straight up admitted it to me

[icy herald]

https://codeberg.org/NerdNextDoor/arikoto

[slender lichen]

Yeah, i saw it too

[icy herald]

wow, they were working on it two weeks ago still

[slender lichen]

...

[icy herald]

Lmfao, which server were they on?

[mental otter]

That’s my semi-private dev server

[icy herald]

ah

[zealous girder]

there is definitely more than 1 line but i reviewed it

[mental otter]

I must have seen the wrong one or only one file

[zealous girder]

i.e. there are AI-assisted commits but it's definitely not vibe coded

no no

it's just that usually i don't let Claude commit self-advertising in the commits, unless i pretty much had no involvement

[mental otter]

Ah yeah yeah makes sense

[viscid karma]

https://codeberg.org/ProjectAnchorage/Echium
Lmfao

[zealous girder]

if i review the code and it is my idea, then i tell Claude to not coauthor

[mental otter]

One time I had a strange bug so I had Claude just scan my entire kernel for 30 minutes and it found a bug in my elf loader

[zealous girder]

yeah it's neat

[mental otter]

I never let it co author because I dislike big tech

[zealous girder]

same

[mental otter]

Stops me from banging my head and lets me take a break

[zealous girder]

like i already paid for Claude, they don't need to also advert on my shit lmao

[mental otter]

Like there is a very wide margin between vibe coding and using it for help and bug finding

[zealous girder]

README kernel

[mental otter]

They were also working on a new better OSdev wiki

And roped me into it for making some crap 💀

I ended up hosting it for them before they did the nasty crap to me

[zealous girder]

i hope it wasn't too bad

whatever they did i mean

[mental otter]

.

Mostly just shocking before I left the server and told them WTF

[zealous girder]

should i post this on the PR that adds Limine?

it would be funny

[mental otter]

Go ahead

[zealous girder]

hell yeah

[mental otter]

I can’t stop you

[zealous girder]

i mean if we're gonna be petty, might as well

[mental otter]

Exactly

I can also pull more up if needed

[zealous girder]

i mean atp idc about being banned off of Codeberg either, so :p

[mental otter]

Let me see

[zealous girder]

welp nvm

[mental otter]

There is the time they sent me really NSFW memes out of the blue

Seperate from the other time

[mental otter]

Me when I can make an alt account;

(Talking about myself)

[zealous girder]

too much effort for me to do that

[mental otter]

Yeah true

Maybe if they do more crap

[zealous girder]

shame though, it would've been funny

[icy herald]

I mean

we could still do that on Fluxer

[mental otter]

We can do both

I forgot

[zealous girder]

not the same thing

[mental otter]

My iCloud gives me free emails

And a free VPN

[zealous girder]

though that said, you have an account on Codeberg lukflug, do you not? :p

[mental otter]

True

[icy herald]

yes

[mental otter]

Do it

[icy herald]

should I post it

[mental otter]

Yes

[zealous girder]

yes

[icy herald]

actually

we could open a PR to add it to the list

[zealous girder]

add what, though?

[mental otter]

Thier kernels

[zealous girder]

are they public?

[mental otter]

Yes

[icy herald]

yes

[zealous girder]

if so, that would be really based

[icy herald]

they're on Codeberg

[mental otter]

We should do both

Post the screenshot and make the PR

[zealous girder]

i mean, that most definitely qualifies as proof, so no harm being done here

just following the spirit of the repo

(also ping them)

[mental otter]

Yes yes yes

Just what I needed today tbh

A good does of revenge

[icy herald]

I mean the screenshot could be faked

[mental otter]

I can record a video :p

[zealous girder]

but is it faked? no

so it's proof

[mental otter]

And that person left the server

So they can’t even delete that message

[zealous girder]

if they claim it's faked then you know they are lying

[mental otter]

And the server is setup so if they rejoin they won’t be able to see it right away anyways

Let me get a more full screenshot too

[icy herald]

is there perhaps a Mastodon post about it?

[mental otter]

let me check

i think there may have?

XD

they are fucking putting this all over

[icy herald]

wow

he mentioned me indirectly

what an honor

[mental otter]

nah not on this i dont see

https://booping.synth.download/@[email protected]

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boopkey! · Jul 13, 2023, 12:00 AM

if yall wana browse her mastadon

[viscid karma]

wtf is his problem

Why is he so focused on limine

[mental otter]

she* and its because they and mint had a convo about AI

and she wanted to be petty

💀

[round socket]

shouldve known to second guess the pronouns with the catgirl pfp

[zealous girder]

for the record that isn't even what i said

[viscid karma]

Do it

[zealous girder]

i think it was r4 maybe?

[round socket]

mastodon is very cool I am so sad bsky won the alt twitter battles

[mental otter]

do it

[zealous girder]

do it

[mild shoal]

Do it

[icy herald]

idk

like

[round socket]

this is a bit petty no?

[mental otter]

do it

[round socket]

its also not relevant

[icy herald]

bringing up a random screenshot from Discord

[mental otter]

they started it

[zealous girder]

they use Linux, macOS, and FreeBSD, which are on the list, how does that work?

[round socket]

started what, putting a project in a list rightfully?

by the criteria of said list

[mental otter]

over having a conversation on fluxxr they got butthurt about and decided to post about it all over social media

and this also counts for the list

[round socket]

you can post their projects if you want in separate issues its just the "while we are at it, look at you!" which is petty

[zealous girder]

if you don't do it, i'll get someone else to, eventually :p

[zealous girder]

yeah, it's petty, i'm petty :p

the pettiness contest was started by them

[round socket]

hey if you wanna be petty be petty I dont care im all up for pettyness im just giving 2 cents

[icy herald]

I mean, tbf, the list says popular open source projects

[mental otter]

I love being petty when others are

[slender lichen]

LOL

[zealous girder]

we love FreeDOS

[zealous girder]

ok fair, then just comment on the Limine PR

[icy herald]

also, the screenshot is yours, why don't you post it?

[mental otter]

They are popular enough. They had a discord server with quite a following

[slender lichen]

ok, this is hilarious XD

[mental otter]

i was but you said you would do it

[zealous girder]

there is literally every project on that list, spare some change

[mental otter]

i just CBA to make an alt rn

[zealous girder]

don't make alts just for this

[icy herald]

fine, I'll post it

[zealous girder]

that could be seen too negatively by the discord overlords

[mental otter]

oh right true

sorry o' discord overlords

i was just making a joke

[zealous girder]

i.e. raiding/harassment

which we do not want to do, we just wanna be petty

[mental otter]

Exactly

Sorry about that

[zealous girder]

np lol

idk what they did to you so i may understand where you're coming from

[slender lichen]

bruh, i didn't even see that they added blender, llvm and nvim XD

[zealous girder]

@icy herald i'd just post it to the issue, and also mention that i was blocked so i couldn't reply

instead of making a new PR altogether

you said it yourself, it's probably not notable enough

[zealous girder]

yeah it's a meme

[slender lichen]

wait a sec

[mental otter]

atleast nvim has some groudning

[icy herald]

codeberg be like

[mental otter]

but thats all il give

[slender lichen]

wtf is the last comment XD

[zealous girder]

huge

[mental otter]

well now we wait

[slender lichen]

bruh, couldn't they suggest a better alternative...

[mental otter]

🥀

[icy herald]

@mental otter Do you have a Mastodon account?

[mental otter]

Yes I do

Well on a seperate instance

But yeah

[icy herald]

can you search for every message by them containing "chatgpt"?

[mental otter]

i can get the screenshots of them not being able to do fizzbuzz without AI

@hexed tinsel prolly knows more about that tho

[round socket]

using AI in 2022 is some hardcore shit

AI back then didnt know how many Rs strawberry had

[zealous girder]

4

@mental otter @icy herald they replied btw

Time to mention that I didn’t know much about OSDev prior when I started Arikoto from August 2024 onwards and that I’ve learned and stopped using AI since before that message. Any major commit to Arikoto was months ago. Yes, while some parts of Arikoto were AI generated, all recent commits were me. In fact, Arikoto was archived within the last 48 hours for a full human rewrite in the future. Plus Arikoto isn’t widely used while Limine is. You’re using something I’ve learned from as a way to attack me while Mintsuki doesn’t give a single fuck about what AI has done while I’ve learned from those mistakes? Nobody is perfect, you also seem to support Mint’s point with thumbs up so you don’t have any standing here.

Arikoto stopped, Limine hasn’t. I’ve gone back on what I’ve done, Mintsuki hasn’t, especially since Limine’s development according to Limine’s own issues have stated that you’re going back to GitHub where Copilot is forced everywhere.

[icy herald]

I saw

[zealous girder]

i don't really understand what point they're trying to make other than "you're more used than my thing was therefore you cannot use AI" or like "i changed, you didn't"

really @cinder lodge 's point in the end

the fact that they disapprove of my move to GitHub makes it all the more worth it 😤

[slender lichen]

will the freestnd libs be moved too?

[round socket]

tbh their answer is very solid

[zealous girder]

they are already there

in https://github.com/osdev0

[cinder lodge]

what in the skibidi sigma is happening here

[round socket]

lukflug just looks like a vengeful sycophant throwing irrelevant info

[cinder lodge]

i scrolled up and i see meaningful comments from rayan

first time in my life

[slender lichen]

i tought it was moved to codeberg, lol

[round socket]

freebsd is all in github iirc

[zealous girder]

their answer kind of contradicts the screenshot

[cinder lodge]

wow. that's some hefty skeletons in the closet

[zealous girder]

the screenshot basically says that "most, if not all" of the code was AI generated - i may use AI but i did not vibecode most of Limine, and i do not push shit without review (obviously bugs can slip between the cracks but that's besides the point, i'm a human after all)

this person says they barely knew the language, they were vibe coding

but their comment tries to minimise the extent of their AI use

[round socket]

you could develop on that and get your point across if you didnt come off as you did at the beginning 🥴

[mild shoal]

Emdash, ai generated

[zealous girder]

that's just a dash

:p

[mild shoal]

Claude can sed you filthy clanker

[cinder lodge]

jesus christ

[round socket]

ideally you wouldve said that, deepen a bit how you use AI, and why you think its fine, instead of saying lol

[icy herald]

@mental otter they didn't disclose it in a public place, right?

[slender lichen]

seems like that repo just hates even saying hi to AI

[cinder lodge]

this person is like, the epitome of every faux progressive asshole I've meet on fediverse/matrix/etc

[round socket]

this is a pretty bad answer

[cinder lodge]

almost a caricature

[slender lichen]

it was semi-public

[mild shoal]

I give good morning and good night to chatgpt everyday so they dont have to

[icy herald]

yeah, but like, if you go to the repo, you find nothing about the AI use

[mild shoal]

The more people complain the more good mornings and good nights I send

[zealous girder]

you're missing an "on" at the end

[slender lichen]

ah, in that case yes

it was in a discord server

[zealous girder]

this is honestly a way better reply than i could've possibly come up with

[round socket]

your answer in great part is already answered by their "its the past and I have changed, so why bother about it", but I dont know how else you can answer when the original crime is the message you sent before

[cinder lodge]

wait freedos really merged ai pull requests or is it drama over nothing

[slender lichen]

idk

seems like they just like drama

even talking about "accepting" LLM requests when none have been actually accepted will get you on that list

[zealous girder]

so if they changed their ways without having properly come clean about it and hiding their past it gives them the right to defame me and/or my projects?

[icy herald]

except it's not in the past, because they didn't publicly disclose that they used AI

[mental otter]

its semi public. invite only but i let friends in

[cinder lodge]

sure lemme use gnome paint as an alternative to photoshop

[round socket]

I mean they did disclose it now, so it is kinda irrelevant

[zealous girder]

they were forced to after already having defamed

[icy herald]

in a random codeberg issue

[slender lichen]

tbh krita is a very good replacement

[round socket]

then tell them to put it in other places instead of using it as a wedge

[zealous girder]

krita is nice afaik

i like the mascot

[round socket]

your comment is trying to drive a useless wedge that was already answered

[zealous girder]

wink wink nudge nudge

[slender lichen]

same

[zealous girder]

i don't think it's useless, also it should mention how i was blocked so i can't even possibly expand on things for myself

[round socket]

honestly you were kinda rightfully blocked lol

if I was lukflug id probably answer with a hmmm lemme think about it

[cinder lodge]

it's kinda sad that people like the person we're lolcowing now are allowed to walk free

[cinder lodge]

they're only orbiting around the right idea

[slender lichen]

well, i am ok with their view on AI ONLY if it's used to generate complete images / videos, those are pure slop

[cinder lodge]

virtue signalling like this stands in direct contradiction to what i said

[zealous girder]

this made me laugh way more than it should have

[zealous girder]

true with the one exception that funny AI reels are funny

but it's not art, it's shitposting

[slender lichen]

true XD

[icy herald]

the AI reels are cringe

[slender lichen]

some are not

lol

[zealous girder]

ofc you'd say that

[round socket]

honestly idk I dont think you have to answer actually I think that the purpose of your message which is clearly a bait meant to discredit is not helped by any answer, you did the russian "just saying!!!!!" and thats it you dont need to develop

the purpose of the message is stupid but thats what you gotta commit to now

[zealous girder]

tung tung tung tung sahur kirkified is funny

[slender lichen]

someone made an entire "dragonball" parody, and it was hilarious XD

[zealous girder]

Russians catching strays

[round socket]

I mean its the classic murky the debate by throwing irrelevant hypocrisy accusations and ad hominems

used by russian bots when defending things like the russian invasion

[icy herald]

look

we're not gonna convince these people either way

[round socket]

not like that for sure

[mild shoal]

You would probably have better luck drawing parallels between things like lithium mines being horrible and them using phones

[zealous girder]

that's a good parallel

[round socket]

the problem as I said to mint irl is not the convincing, but a 3rd uninvolved party reading this. It comes across as the mint cabal being vindictive and disingenuous and petty

[zealous girder]

my usage of LLMs doesn't mean i condone all the possible ways they can be used for wrong, it's the same as saying you buying and using a hammer means you condone someone who used a hammer to smash the head of somebody

[round socket]

spearheaded by mint themselves, the creator of the project in question, which splashes on the project

[cinder lodge]

you have a point i think, but it's not like they're not brigading either

the whole point of that list is to spin up outrage and harassment

[round socket]

yeah but you are reducing yourself to their level instead of defending yourself from a higher standing

[zealous girder]

tbf i didn't even bring this up before for the very reason that i didn't want a bunch of people going there to add thumbs up of whatever and looking like a brigade

else i could ping a bunch of people and do that quite easily, but that's lame

[cinder lodge]

this is the essence of the argument i think, personally i think that stooping down is not entirely wrong in this particular case but id agree in general

[zealous girder]

i only mentioned this now because i was asked

and then subsequently found out about this person's "dirty secrets"

[round socket]

I think its pretty wrong in this case but look its mint's project and the image they want to convey is their thing, I can only advise

[zealous girder]

it's not like they're not already going around on their socials defaming the project

[round socket]

and this gives them ammo

[zealous girder]

doubt it

[cinder lodge]

if you look at it from this perspective then the only winning move in OSS is not to play because almost everyone is an asshole.

[mental otter]

out of all dramas in open source this is like peas compared to anything serious

[zealous girder]

game theoring this shit out

[cinder lodge]

and resisting to being slimed by assholes with Voltaire-level rebuttals is hard as shit

[round socket]

I do think not playing in these controversies in general is a better move, but if you are to answer, you have to answer not like this

[icy herald]

nobody gives a shit about this drama

so might as well take the piss

[round socket]

you dont know that

[icy herald]

we'll see

[zealous girder]

most people would take the side of literally every project on that list, if there was to be some public awareness of this

[mild shoal]

Just send an atomic bomb and tell lunduke about that repo

[zealous girder]

lmao

[cinder lodge]

bruh

[mental otter]

If anyone gives a shit they will drop it after learning or they aren’t worth talking to anyways

[zealous girder]

god no @mild shoal

[round socket]

if you want to bring awareness to how bad the list is, you can use your project reputation in another way, but sadly the way you answered here kinda invalidates any such action

[zealous girder]

i'd rather be slimed and dragged through the mud on my own than in any way, shape, or form involve that human dildo that is Lunduke

[cinder lodge]

the correct move imo was ignoring this list

but memeing it is also acceptable

greg kh is not bothering himself to talk to them either

[round socket]

but greg hk is not in their issues being vindictive with discord chats

[zealous girder]

idk i thought my original reply was fairly reasonable and not very deep tbh

[icy herald]

I'm not a Limine maintainer, so if it goes down the drain, it's not my problem anyway

[zealous girder]

why would it go down the drain over this of all things

[icy herald]

I'm just a random onlooker

[zealous girder]

if it does, then it was never worth doing it in the first place, and that's a good thing to know

[round socket]

you come off as a sycophant part of mint's group, and thats not hard to confirm

[icy herald]

true

but meh

I also had second thoughts about doing this

[mental otter]

Mints group is cool anyways

[mental otter]

Who is this person 😭

[icy herald]

but that discussion doesn't deserve better, tbh

[zealous girder]

a transphobe retard that grifts over transphobia and other chud-tier shit

[mental otter]

Petty gets petty

[mental otter]

🥀

Damn

[round socket]

its fine it doesnt matter until someone reposts it, but you dont need to run that risk

[zealous girder]

the only reasonable opinion i can get behind is that he likes X11 over Wayland, but that's because he thinks Wayland is woke and made by trans people or something

[mental otter]

That screenshot is mine and comes from my server

If this shit goes down I’m going too

[zealous girder]

instead of technical reasons

[cinder lodge]

broken clock, twice a day, etc

[zealous girder]

true

[mental otter]

Wait until they see xlibre

[zealous girder]

he did

he shills it

[cinder lodge]

he would get a meltdown over this they

[mental otter]

Ahh ofc XD

[mild shoal]

Insert droidvalds video

[zealous girder]

true

[round socket]

X11 is woker it has libxtrans

[mild shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/lgbt-trans-transgender-gigachad-gigafly-gif-13592590231890646338

[zealous girder]

i like that libxtrans's pfp on gitlab is a literal trans flag

[round socket]

it is

[mental otter]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-torvalds-linux-red-hat-systemd-linus-droidvalds-meme-gif-10541460064743329819

[cinder lodge]

just merge rust into mainline x11

everyone will switch back

[round socket]

every git project has rust mainlined in its dependency graph since a year ago

get on with the times

[mild shoal]

@zealous girder make claude rewrite x11 in rust

[zealous girder]

i'd rather waste my tokens doing anything else

[mild shoal]

Give them to me Ill eat them

[mental otter]

Tell Claude to make a hit peice on nerd like that one open claw did

[zealous girder]

i'll waste my tokens asking it to find every TOCTOU in Astral

[mild shoal]

That lowk already happened kind of

[zealous girder]

oh god no

[zealous girder]

yeah?

[mild shoal]

Astral was one of the challenges in kalmarctf and llm use was allowed

[icy herald]

anyway

[mild shoal]

I got a neat little list of issues sent to me that Im slowly working turu

Thru

[zealous girder]

neat

that's nice

[mild shoal]

Yeah

[icy herald]

@round socket you're probably right that it was a mistake if this gets any attention. But my bet is that it doesn't, so ...

[mental otter]

I doubt this goes anywhere

[mild shoal]

There was some pretty dumb shit there that I missed

Also pretty crazy that we hijacked the auroraos thread for this

💀

[zealous girder]

Claude found not too long ago that in Limine the stack pointer for APs was set to the base instead of the top of the stack

speaking of embarassing bugs that LLMs found

[mild shoal]

I forgot to cld on syscall entry

[zealous girder]

tbf that's less embarassing

[mild shoal]

Llms are neat to catch overlooks like that as much as I dislike using them to write code

[icy herald]

anyway

[slender lichen]

i actually need help with 1 of my syscalls XD

[zealous girder]

Linux used to have that issue too for a long while

[icy herald]

let's stop hijacking this thread

[zealous girder]

yeah true, sorry

there i forgot to star this thread

now i did, good things came of it

[mental otter]

Whenever I write code I slap it at an LLM to review and it points out some things I can fix or it fixes

[quaint cape]

Ehh i dont mind

I gained two stars from this conversation/argument/whatever this is

Lol

[quaint cape]

Ehmmm, somehow matched up virtual and physical page arguments. So paging got messed up

called page_alloc(virt, phys)

instead of page_alloc(phys, virt)

[zealous girder]

rip

[hexed tinsel]

eh, im not the kind of person to leak dms, sorry.

[quaint cape]

It was actually crazy, I tried debugging it on my own for a week. Then decided to just use some free Claude credits and got it fixed within half an hour.

Also btw I will never drop Limine no matter the hate it gets. Especially if the hate is AI related.

Basically everyone uses AI here lol

Personally I don't mind people using AI, just disclose that you use it.

Aka dont AI generated the whole OS, then claim that its yours that you have made all on your own

[vital summit]

what is with this toxic bullshit repo

by their reckoning, every piece of software is "tainted", so what do they propose, go live in a cave?

decided to report the repo, it is against codeberg's TOS, harassing and targeting users.

[zealous girder]

oh

well, that's your thing, if you think that's the right thing to do you definitely have the right to do that

i am not doing that myself because they claim it's not a witch hunt

but whatevs

[mild shoal]

if I doxxed you and claimed its not a doxxing would you not be able to report me?

[zealous girder]

lmao

yeah but the thing is that they have plausible deniability

[vital summit]

claim all they like, it def is, i'll leave it to their staff to decide if im right

[quaint cape]

I wonder what they advise is better than Limine tbh

I haven't found anything that outperforms Limine in terms of, well everything

Anyways, I'm considering rewriting some small parts of AuroraOS in rust for security while keeping the main thing in C.

Is this even possible?

(this is me just speculating without doing any research)

[loud loom]

You could compile it as a static lib and then link it in no?

[quaint cape]

Maybe yea

I'm thinking of rewriting at least my memory related stuff in rust

Anyone knows what Linux has in rust?

Like what does Linux use it for?

[midnight rampart]

I'm not in the low level dev/assembly server, so I think lukglug is correct.

[zealous girder]

i reopened the PR and put Infy's Hyper as an alternative along with GRUB :p

[mental otter]

I decided to look back at the original PR and 💀

A “shame”

For what

[quaint cape]

My god what are these people on about.

[vital summit]

this proves my point that the repo and its prs are just full of personal attacks. that there is one.

and this is why i reported it

[quaint cape]

Ohh yea, switching back to grub. Best bootloader ever yea

not

I hate grub

[zealous girder]

i actually reported them

because this is lowkey just harassment

they have no idea how much work sweat and tears i put into the project just be end up being called "a shame"

FOSS was a mistake, people love taking without giving in this environment

[quaint cape]

How do you even report a repo.

[zealous girder]

i probably got less than like 500 bucks in donations in the entire timeframe i have accepted notations

[quaint cape]

Ima do the same thing.

[zealous girder]

i just reported the single comment - btw i am not asking people to mass report

[quaint cape]

Not going to, i wanted to report them yesterday but I ain't able to find the report repo button.

[zealous girder]

as a matter of fact it would probably be better if no more people reported at all, as Discord may take it as some targetted raid/attack of some sort

[mental otter]

I really love FOSS and I love helping where I can. But some people really are entitled fucking pricks over a petty squabble and a few lines of AI code

[zealous girder]

but like obviously i cannot stop you if you wanted to

i do not have mind control powers (yet)

[zealous girder]

i.e. - click on this person's profile: hardly anything of value there

[quaint cape]

You mean Codeberg?

[zealous girder]

no, Discord

i don't give a damn what Codeberg thinks lol

[quaint cape]

Really, discord says that its a raid?

huh

[zealous girder]

i don't even want to give them the benefit of the doubt that it is one

[mental otter]

I wonder if anything that I have made is worth anything of value tbh somtimes

Let me see what they have

[quaint cape]

True.

[zealous girder]

certainly more than that person that called me a shame

[quaint cape]

Well the things I have made are certainly not worth of value.

[mental otter]

They have a bunch of config repos and a Linux distribution 💀

[quaint cape]

A vibe-coded GUI library? no

[mental otter]

I atleast have made some software from scratch etc

[zealous girder]

what i was trying to say wasn't an attack on people who haven't done much, i meant it towards people who haven't done much, yet come to people who did and act like they are some sort of authority speaking for the FOSS world overall and being just nasty

[quaint cape]

A half baked os

And that's about it

[mental otter]

Oh yeah I know I just meant in general if I have done “a good bit” etc

[quaint cape]

Ohh yea a database thats certainly 10X worse than SQL

[mental otter]

But yeah they should not be talking like that 🥀

[icy herald]

I cannot even control my own mind 😭

[mental otter]

Who can

[icy herald]

neurotypicals apparently

[quaint cape]

neuro what?

[icy herald]

dw about it

[mental otter]

Wouldn’t they still get intrusive thoughts etc?

[slender lichen]

yes, but they won't act on them, lol

[zealous girder]

(kitten)

[icy herald]

I don't wanna get cancelled

[mental otter]

You won’t kitten

[icy herald]

I'm not a kitten!

[mental otter]

This not you?

[slender lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423054245430694053/1423055104952504450/cat_bomb.gif

[mental otter]

On the day before April fools (in my timezone)

[icy herald]

that was April fool's in my timezone

[mental otter]

Darn

[zealous girder]

if i bought you amazon cat ears would you wear them? @icy herald

[slender lichen]

XD

i'll buy you a tail too

[zealous girder]

which kind of tail

[slender lichen]

not that one

XD

[zealous girder]

right

[icy herald]

no

Why do you want me to wear cat ears?

[zealous girder]

it would be funny

[vital summit]

how would you know lukflug is wearing them?

is photo evidence required?

[slender lichen]

yes XD

[mental otter]

What about doing it in Minecraft

With the cat ears and collar mod

Because that’s a real thing

[zealous girder]

yes

[slender lichen]

also, Yes Steve Model exists

if you want a better version

[quaint cape]

Why do you think he would want you to wear cat ears?

-# hmm....

[icy herald]

So it's not part of some secret woke agenda?

[mental otter]

it can be both no?

[icy herald]

I suppose

[slender lichen]

yes, the secret osdev catperson corporation

[vital summit]

dogs > cats, fight me

[mental otter]

where are dragons on this list

[vital summit]

ask me when I can get a pet dragon

[mental otter]

looks at myself

[vital summit]

not included bearded dragons or Komodo dragons

https://tenor.com/view/bearded-dragon-licks-gif-3395440563131036156

[vital summit]

you not pet, you person

[slender lichen]

osdev nekomimi corp

done XD

now it includes dragons and dogs too

[vital summit]

we were talking about animals that are pets btw on my dogs > cats

hence not dragons

[slender lichen]

oh XD

[vital summit]

but if we are talking about animals a person can have the persona of? I guess the list is a lot bigger

[mental otter]

was i talking about that?

i meant pet

[slender lichen]

oh

[mental otter]

[slender lichen]

a pet dragon?

lol

[mental otter]

no

[slender lichen]

become a bio engineer

and make one

[mental otter]

im a dragon

i was making a joke

[slender lichen]

XD

well @mental otter https://youtu.be/Qo0kKk8loGQ

if you want XD

[icy herald]

I have a dog phobia 😭

[mental otter]

You wouldn’t wana be at my house then

4 dogs

[slender lichen]

I have 2

[quaint cape]

no pets

sadly

[quaint cape]

Time to binge watch some show

Maybe the rookie?

[quaint cape]

why doesnt even ls work

time to implement whatever readdent is

[quaint cape]

lol well got mad at my kernel

so yk what

lets steal more astral recepeies and patches

cuz why not just copy mathewnds work

Python kind of ported

dont use it though cuz it takes five ages to boot

time to fix all missing mlibc sysdeps

[quaint cape]

ohh that shit is fixed

i accidentaly included python source code in ramdisk

(didnt go that good)

[quaint cape]

Progress?

I dont even know anymore lol

[quaint cape]

@peak smelt quick question but do you really need /etc/localtime for python

[quaint cape]

And @vernal tide , I would like to apologise for my childish interactions with you in the C&C++ server.

Unfortunately I'm not interested at all in ROS, and no I wont port it.

Feel free to add a PR if you decide to port it.

(no need to optimize for any stdlibs, I already got most ported)

[peak smelt]

seems so

[quaint cape]

huh

[quaint cape]

we are so back

all warnings gives you a heart attack but thats fineee

[quaint cape]

Damn fastfetch is crazy

Why is it this hard to port.

[zealous girder]

damn python nice

[peak smelt]

huh

it's not hard at all

[quaint cape]

Ohh im having hell

I'll send all errors.

[quaint cape]

firstly gonna have to do smth about this:

i enabled languages c++ though

huh

[quaint cape]

ig ima have to add libstdc++ target

[slender lichen]

need help to build llvm's libstdc++?

it's a pain to make it build correctly, lol

[quaint cape]

what adding " all-target-libstdc++-v3 "?

[slender lichen]

wdym

[quaint cape]

f

do you need ot patch it

[slender lichen]

oh you are doing gcc's one

idk about that, srry

i'm using llvm

and that is just a few flags

and adding a target to clang, that's just a bunch of edits

[quaint cape]

okay so for this i think i just missed to run autoconf

[slender lichen]

f

[quaint cape]

king how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking for shl_load... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES.
make: *** [Makefile:12496: configure-target-libstdc++-v3] Error 1
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.

huh

[quaint cape]

Real HW test

[sterile creek]

uacpi_set_interrupt_model(UACPI_INTERRUPT_MODEL_LPIC); wait wtf

thats like

riscv or arm interrupt controller

[quaint cape]

Huh

Surely I don't set that right

I think I should set normal PIT

[sterile creek]

interrupt routing via a timer is crazy

[quaint cape]

ohh no sleep deprivation going crazy

Yea ask me TMRW what I should say

Why tf did i say pit

[quaint cape]

Btw infy do yk if python really needs the whole fcking source code in the initrd

Cuz it makes the boot Hella slow

[sterile creek]

question is why the hell u have python in there

[quaint cape]

Wdym, it's not like I have network drivers rn

And/or disk drivers.

[sterile creek]

make them

[quaint cape]

🙏

Bet

Which package manager should I use

[quaint cape]

Day one of followings god (infys) words.

Time to make a network driver

Okay so my computer has a : Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter

And then i gotta make virtio

[quaint cape]

realised this one is crazy hard to port since its WIFI

ehmm

gonna try my ethernet one instead

[quaint cape]

Considering if i should move it to Wicks/AuroraOS since its prettier

Quick fun poll for all of you whos actually looking at this thread (aka no one):

• Should I let it be on aurora-org/AuroraOS 💙
• Or should I switch to Wicks/AuroraOS as im the sole contributor/maintainer. ❤️

[vital summit]

make sure it's on an org

certain features are only available on org if you feel you need them later e.g. user management

and moving your project hurts it's SEO

so if you're moving do it while small

[quaint cape]

i have no stars basically so its fine

[vital summit]

it's more about a permanent URL for the project than the star count

[quaint cape]

huh

[quaint cape]

Mental note

[quaint cape]

Finally implemented compression in my ramdisk

Compression implemented using https://github.com/richgel999/miniz

[quaint cape]

gonna port vim rl quick

[mental otter]

Can you do nano too if it dosnt cause too many issues?

It’s a pretty nice one to have

[quaint cape]

sure

[quaint cape]

continuing to fix shitty errors

and stubbing some stuff

gonna get fbdev or DRM working

dk which one of them

[peak smelt]

[quaint cape]

time to rewatch this and try and make my OS better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWYhtksrmhE

[quaint cape]

So

This project will remain in #1006498459798474873

I do use AI for debugging, and writing code in specific use cases

(ex writing syscall stubs/some drivers)

I don't condemn any use of AI, it's freely allowed in the project if reviewed thoroughly by humans

I dont vibecode that much though, not enough to be in #1495060704418463934

[zealous girder]

sounds like this tier is a good fit, then

[quaint cape]

Hmm wonder what to do now

Prob do a code quality fix

Maybe split up my fs into different files

Like the procfs.c is like 900 lines .

[quaint cape]

Only 600 lines after cleaning up some overly verbose shit

dk why i added all of it

i also forgot i have more helpers than i think in some files

ima have to make some central helper system sometime in the future

[quaint cape]

yessss

yessss

(for anyone wondering i used cat on /dev/fb0)

yeaa

cd kind of works npw

[peak smelt]

do ls -lha

[quaint cape]

need to make some changes syscall side to support cwd fully

[quaint cape]

Ehmm

What license should I license AuroraOS under

ehmm

idk

Ima do apache for now after consulting with ~~ chatgpt~~ my legal advisor

best legal advisor ever btw

[peak smelt]

MIT

GPL = copyleft, aka code has to stay open
MIT = do what you want as long as you're retaining the copyright notice

[mild shoal]

GPL = ultra commie
MIT = commie
Closed source = based

[vital summit]

I'd go with Apache 2

it is like MIT except it has some clauses to protect all contributors against patent trolls

[quaint cape]

.

[quaint cape]

Yea ima go with Apache

[quaint cape]

Damn guyss

first port that isnt stolen from somewhere

bison

(ima try and port nethack and it needs bison)

[quaint cape]

Ported flex

[quaint cape]

or well they are host deps

idk why i havent ported something on my own before

[quaint cape]

Damn nethack is anoying asf

also tried prepending sources didnt help

paths in Jinx is a hell (atleast for me)

[quaint cape]

Taking break from AuroraOS and playing random games with my friends instead

[quaint cape]

reminder

[quaint cape]

Bug fix thanks to @modern sedge fixed.

AuroraOS now backs up SIMD registers during context switch.

[modern sedge]

nice

[quaint cape]

my god

now keyboard doesnt work

what did i even do last night

ehmm

okay

random

[quaint cape]

found issue

it was me sleep deprived yesterday commented out tty echoing

😭

[quaint cape]

Porting openrc

Continuing tmrw

[quaint cape]

@mild shoal Do yk what causes this?

[quaint cape]

i guess i need to finally enable the linux option sadly:

what is this error even

ive added the linux include dir

[mild shoal]

Missing include/feature test macro define

[quaint cape]

hmmm

ima study a bit anyways

no progress today

[quaint cape]

Ima fix some bugs today

[quaint cape]

Ehh so

what were i doing before i took a break

ehhmm

no idea

porting something

openrc?`??

[sterile creek]

KDE

[quaint cape]

KDE plasma?

huh

interesting

[sterile creek]

Yeah you were porting that

[quaint cape]

huh

Anyways i should port that

how hard is it

And huh when did i port KDE

I don't even have xorg ported

[sterile creek]

Pretty hard

[quaint cape]

Do you know why this happens when i try and build mlibc with the linux option?

[peak smelt]

did you read the readme 💀

[quaint cape]

It doesnt mention anything about this....

[peak smelt]

you cannot do that

you need to pull them from actual linux

[quaint cape]

Im stupid it lit says it a section down

thanks

for keeping up with my stupidity

[viscid karma]

or /usr/src

[quaint cape]

another stupid question, when i try and build openrc i get: I feel like this comes from my new linux impl, what is wrong/what do i need to add?

[peak smelt]

did you rebuild/reinstall the mlibc headers

[sturdy birch]

do you have to install the linux headers into ur sysroot if u use the linux option?

[quaint cape]

I did reinstall the mlibc headers.

[peak smelt]

you don't actually claim to be linux by chance, right?

[quaint cape]

Nope.

I haven't missed anything right?

welp i installed the headers onto the sysroot and now i get other stuff

[quaint cape]

ehh

ye i aint dead yet

ill continue looking into linux mlibv

it still is making me go crazy

[quaint cape]

Okay so i got tired of this

but anyways im going to bump bash version from 5.1 to 5.3

ehh

then fix mlibc linux

huh

[quaint cape]

Bumped bash version:

.bashrc aint being read though which is weird...

[quaint cape]

Starting to port x11

Aka grabbing patches from astral and the reworking them for AuroraOS

[quaint cape]

Fixed quite a lot of bugs

now i just need to figure out the .bashrc bug

i dont know why it happened

[quaint cape]

New goal btw porting gcc

I already got binutils to work

[quaint cape]

Make ported!

[quaint cape]

first self compiled (with as) hello world print:

[quaint cape]

Clear now works.

[quaint cape]

refactoring all my fs drivers to start with:

[quaint cape]

Somehow @modern sedge talked me into actually documenting my functions like linux. Which leads to this, so yes. If you ever want to read some documented source code feel free to take a look into my tmpfs driver.

I will continue reworking all my fs drivers in the same way.

eventually ill also rewrite all of my other subsystems too

[modern sedge]

nice

[quaint cape]

tmpfs done

https://codeberg.org/aurora-org/AuroraOS/commit/e09d6d22538d9e755286e154232d714aec44b68c

[restive pagoda]

cc when?

[restive pagoda]

Ooh, I like this

Ooh, I like this

[quaint cape]

The whole kernel/fs folder documented as an experiment

[vital summit]

yeah, that's great, but your doxygen blocks are wrong

it's like @param varname desc

not

@param:
varname: desc

because then you can run doxygen against it

how do you type that double chevron thing anyway