Nyaux | Operating System Development | Page 63

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:06 PM

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NOT AGAIN

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THIRD TIME THIS SUMMER

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I FELL ASLEEP IN VR I ONLY HAD MY WINDOW OPEN?

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howd i get sick

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insane

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:10 PM

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What's up with nyaux rn

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:10 PM

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maiden ridge What's up with nyaux rn

funny bug we've been stuck on for weeks so monkuous is helping

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:10 PM

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What's the bug

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:11 PM

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okay so basically after forking a program and pressing a ps2 key it fucking dies (jumps to some bullshit RIP for some odd ass reason)

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i had a few theories as to why its happening but like

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they were all proven wrong lol

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^ @maiden ridge more info

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:12 PM

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That's incredible

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😭

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:12 PM

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yea very fun bug

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VERY fun

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:13 PM

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I remember this happening in Polaris a few months back

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:13 PM

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what was ur issue

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:13 PM

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I don't remember clearly but it was stack corruption

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Because the stacks did not get switched properly

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It overwrote each other's data

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:14 PM

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weird

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:14 PM

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So when it returned

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It jumped to some weird address

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:14 PM

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thing is

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it seem'd the task switching was fine

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:14 PM

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Considering you're processing a ps2 interrupt here

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And a syscall is happening here

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Because read

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I guess you could have that issue?

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:14 PM

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interrupts are disabled on syscalls

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as to mitigate this

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:14 PM

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Wait so how do you read from ps2?

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:15 PM

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ps2 interrupts happen when not in a syscall?

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like when doing anything that doesnt hold a lock

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or not a syscall

maiden ridge Jul 16, 2025, 1:16 PM

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surreal path ps2 interrupts happen when not in a syscall?

So you wait for new data

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Ok fair

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:16 PM

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mhm

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 1:31 PM

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@surreal path cannot reproduce

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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brisk zenith <@787341689333350450> cannot reproduce

open doomgeneric

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then press a ps2 key

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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oh wait yeah with doom it works

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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yea\

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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or well, reproduces

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quite the opposite

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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yep

ebon needle Jul 16, 2025, 2:00 PM

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surreal path interrupts are disabled on syscalls

mister nyaux, i was inspired by your idea so i also want to enable interrupts in syscalls

elder shoal Jul 16, 2025, 2:05 PM

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running without interrupts enabled in syscalls just feels wrong to me

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 2:55 PM

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okay so the issue is that while the bash read call is waiting for input a different thread (the forked bash? i'm not sure but it doesn't matter) also does a read call and when the bash read call is unblocked it returns with the wrong rsp

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now i just need to figure out why it's using the wrong rsp

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@surreal path why do you do this syscall_user_sp stuff manually in the syscall functions, instead of in schedd? seems a lot more prone to error this way

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anyway @surreal path this patch fixes the issue, and prevents this class of issue from occurring in other syscalls in the future https://hst.sh/azareyicif.php

kind root Jul 16, 2025, 4:16 PM

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Damn

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:44 PM

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brisk zenith <@787341689333350450> why do you do this syscall_user_sp stuff manually in the s...

was that the fucking issue???

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 6:44 PM

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Yeah

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:44 PM

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was that the fucking issue that weve been stuck on for fucking weeks

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what in the actual fuck

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vro

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 6:44 PM

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Read was blocking and some other process was performing syscalls in the meantime so when read unblocked it returned with the wrong rsp

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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brisk zenith Read was blocking and some other process was performing syscalls in the meantime...

i see

ebon needle Jul 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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surreal path was that the fucking issue that weve been stuck on for fucking weeks

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1128197127395352637/1261257437298561087/attachment-2.gif

elder shoal Jul 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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trolled

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 6:45 PM

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The fix I used was to just move the syscall_stack_ptr_tmp save/restore to the scheduler

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So nothing has to do it manually anymore

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:46 PM

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im gonna test this now

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if this works vro im gonna go and shoot some intel employees

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(in deltarune)\

ebon needle Jul 16, 2025, 6:47 PM

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bro was working on this month and fix was just move line

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:47 PM

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ebon needle bro was working on this month and fix was just move line

thats fucking insane vro

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alr here we go

ebon needle Jul 16, 2025, 6:47 PM

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osdev hard reality

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:49 PM

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it fucking solves it

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now yea it still does the oom

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:50 PM

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surreal path now yea it still does the oom

speaking of which @brisk zenith mind looking at that as well, thats been a known issue in nyaux for a few months lol

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 6:51 PM

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OOM is a bit harder to debug since it's most likely a memory leak but I'll try, how do you reproduce it?

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:51 PM

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surreal path it fucking solves it

im gonna go take a look at why doom isnt recieving keyboard input

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 6:52 PM

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brisk zenith OOM is a bit harder to debug since it's most likely a memory leak but I'll try, ...

just run doomgeneric

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like a few times

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dont provide a wad file ofc

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:27 PM

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i have discovered at least one memory leak: this code sequence allocates more pages than it frees

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 7:32 PM

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brisk zenith i have discovered at least one memory leak: this code sequence allocates more pa...

why so?

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do u think its the cause

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:32 PM

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surreal path why so?

that's what i'm trying to figure out

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it's definitely contributory

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don't know if it's the only memory leak

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but it is a pretty big one

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 7:33 PM

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i see

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weird

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:33 PM

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like that code sequence has almost 1.4k unaccounted pages

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 7:33 PM

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wtf???

tawdry mirage Jul 16, 2025, 7:34 PM

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inb4 free_pagemap doesn't recurse into all the pt levels

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:34 PM

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no that's the first thing i checked, it does

tawdry mirage Jul 16, 2025, 7:34 PM

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ah

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:36 PM

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actually false alarm, that was only because it was the first duplicate_pagemap operation on oldprocess->cur_map

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if i do it twice there are no unaccounted pages on the 2nd one

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so back to square one ig

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 7:37 PM

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fair

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:46 PM

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ok apparently there's one process made on every invocation that just doesn't get reaped (or maybe it doesn't exit in the first place? i'm not sure yet)

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that would explain ever increasing memory usage

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surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 7:49 PM

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???

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thats so weird

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:49 PM

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i'm trying to figure out what this process is first

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like it only gets created for doomgeneric

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other programs work as expected

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 7:52 PM

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dumb idea but maybe add a field to the process thats js some string that you can store the executing program name for

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on execve

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i do believe doomgeneric uses system()

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 7:59 PM

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apparently it's calling system("/usr/bin/zenity --help >/dev/null 2>&1")

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 7:59 PM

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yea

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 8:04 PM

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ah i see

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system is calling waitpid(pid_of_spawned_process, ...)

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that hits this path

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so the process is never waited for and thus never reaped

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 8:05 PM

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oh i see

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so its something i dont have implemented

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 8:05 PM

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yea

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 8:05 PM

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trol

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makes sense

brisk zenith Jul 16, 2025, 8:05 PM

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surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 8:05 PM

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yea that makes sense

kind root Jul 16, 2025, 8:07 PM

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nyuax trolling trl

surreal path Jul 16, 2025, 8:07 PM

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real

surreal path Jul 17, 2025, 4:26 AM

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brisk zenith

anyways i really thank you for your help a ton <3

hollow goblet Jul 17, 2025, 6:13 AM

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wow smart people

ebon needle Jul 17, 2025, 6:23 AM

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hollow goblet wow smart people

be smart in 2025 is cringe

surreal path Jul 17, 2025, 6:36 PM

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sorry chat no nyaux today some shit happened and i dont feel too good

tender gorge Jul 17, 2025, 7:04 PM

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surreal path sorry chat no nyaux today some shit happened and i dont feel too good

🫂 💙

kind root Jul 17, 2025, 7:05 PM

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surreal path sorry chat no nyaux today some shit happened and i dont feel too good

we ball tmrw then

frigid cliff Jul 18, 2025, 12:27 AM

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surreal path sorry chat no nyaux today some shit happened and i dont feel too good

Don’t feel bad, you’re doing this for yourself, we’re just here to cheer you on

surreal path Jul 18, 2025, 2:05 PM

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kind root we ball tmrw then

yep

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we ball later today

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i need to investigate an issue with doom not getting ps2 packets properly

surreal path Jul 18, 2025, 9:47 PM

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alright chat we bzll

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lets go debug this shit

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kaBOOM

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there goes your tower fell the power

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sorry chat stuck in my head

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also btw heres todo list for nyaux:

fix doom key issues
port openrc
implement more file related syscalls & sysdeps
try to get gcc to compile something
support #!/abc/123
implement even MORE syscalls and attempt to port more programs
implement sockets then get X ported
implement signals
idk whats next

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okay im seeing subscriber fd 5 only SOMETIMES gets packets on keypress

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its how i link subscribers it seems

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to explain

say we have subscriber 1

we add subscriber 2

so now head points at subscriber 2 -> subscriber 1

now the ps2 driver has a subscriber object itself, so it calls its own handle right to put shit in. its subscriber points to nothing so doom gets JACK shit, thats what it seems?

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and considering the ps2 driver opens /dev/keyboard on every interrupt (which is stupid) shit gets weird

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im gonna add it so ps2 driver keeps track of its owns handle and keeps its open

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hmm

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still doing that shit?

surreal path Jul 18, 2025, 10:33 PM

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i think this whole subscriber system is kinda overly complicated a little

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rather then every subscriber having its own ringbuf

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wait nvm

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okay so like

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i need to figure this out

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fuck

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kinda complicated aint it

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@elder shoal how do you deal with this, reading your code you use some kind of hash table?? im a little confused

elder shoal Jul 18, 2025, 10:54 PM

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it just maps an id into a keyboard_t

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its probably not the best way of doing it

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but it just works and idc

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 12:50 AM

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elder shoal it just maps an id into a keyboard_t

that has its own ring buffer right? but how do you take the keyboard packets into the hashmap then put the packets in the keyboard_t???

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cause u cant exactly "iterate" over a hashmap?

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wait no u can

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nvm

elder shoal Jul 19, 2025, 12:52 AM

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get keyboard pointer from hashmap -> put packets in keyboard ringbuffer

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 12:52 AM

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wait do u put the packets on write?

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and iterate over the hashmap and put the packet to each keyboard_t's ringbuffer?

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 12:53 AM

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elder shoal get keyboard pointer from hashmap -> put packets in keyboard ringbuffer

also how was ur day :)

elder shoal Jul 19, 2025, 1:01 AM

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keyboard irq -> driver calls into generic code with packet formed and keyboard pointer already known -> that does a bit more profcessing on it for things like shift keys and then puts it on the ring buffer for the keyboard -> the process reads /dev/keyboardXYZ -> it gets the keyboard pointer from the hashtable using the minor device number -> that reads from the ringbuffer or blocks/returns EAGAIN -> process returns read call results

elder shoal Jul 19, 2025, 1:01 AM

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surreal path also how was ur day :)

its been good, went to lunch with coworkers and then played some gregtech with my boyfriend

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 1:02 AM

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elder shoal keyboard irq -> driver calls into generic code with packet formed and keyboard p...

i think ill just iterate on the hashmap

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and push the packet to each keyboard_t

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that should work

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 1:02 AM

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elder shoal its been good, went to lunch with coworkers and then played some gregtech with m...

thats good :)

ebon needle Jul 19, 2025, 4:56 AM

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surreal path also btw heres todo list for nyaux: * fix doom key issues * port openrc * imple...

is nyaux have pipes

magic kernel Jul 19, 2025, 9:34 AM

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surreal path also btw heres todo list for nyaux: * fix doom key issues * port openrc * imple...

Port wayland. It’s better meme

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 5:36 PM

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ebon needle is nyaux have pipes

yea pipes will be on the list

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 5:36 PM

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magic kernel Port wayland. It’s better <:meme:575445094589661215>

lmao wayland is a thing we want

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anyways we ball later, probs 8

ebon needle Jul 19, 2025, 5:37 PM

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surreal path yea pipes will be on the list

implement it now

surreal path Jul 19, 2025, 5:37 PM

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no

ebon needle Jul 19, 2025, 5:37 PM

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😡

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:17 AM

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i fixed the ps2 kbd issue

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doom works perfectly fine

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all pushed onto github

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reasons i didnt say much is i feel absolutely ass

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im gonna go figure out why openrc wont build

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then cry in a corner til i sleep or sm shit

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:19 AM

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openrc?

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:19 AM

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yea

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like

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it will build but

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it would get added into the sysroot

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hold on ill show

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@maiden ridge this issue

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idk why its doing this shit

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i make my base files the exact same as menix

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i changed it to be like menix

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and im using menix patches for openrc

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so why wont it add itself

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????

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#! /bin/sh

name=base-files
version=0.0
revision=1
source_dir="base-files"
skip_pkg_check=yes
package() {
 
mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/dev"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/etc"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/home/menix"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/proc"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/run"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/root"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/sys"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/tmp"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/usr"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/usr/bin"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/usr/lib"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/usr/sbin"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/usr/share"
    mkdir -pv "${dest_dir}/var"

    ln -svf usr/bin "${dest_dir}/bin"
    ln -svf usr/lib "${dest_dir}/lib"
    ln -svf usr/sbin "${dest_dir}/sbin"
    ln -svf ../run "${dest_dir}/var/run"

    cp -rpv ${source_dir}/. "${dest_dir}"/

}

base files recipe

ebon needle Jul 20, 2025, 5:23 AM

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/home/menix

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:23 AM

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dw abt it

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like thats not the issue

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:26 AM

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surreal path ```sh #! /bin/sh name=base-files version=0.0 revision=1 source_dir="base-files"...

Wait why does it make all these directories tf

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/dev ??

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What

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:26 AM

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yea i shouldnt

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ill remove /dev

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:27 AM

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Most of these directories are usually present

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Just keep the symlink part

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:27 AM

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okay

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:27 AM

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ln -s usr/bin "${dest_dir}"/bin
    ln -s usr/bin "${dest_dir}"/sbin
    ln -s usr/lib "${dest_dir}"/lib
    ln -s usr/lib "${dest_dir}"/lib64
    ln -s bin "${dest_dir}"/usr/sbin
    ln -s lib "${dest_dir}"/usr/lib64

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:28 AM

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you forgot -svf?

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:28 AM

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It's from my recipes

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Means the same thing

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:28 AM

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okay

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:28 AM

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v just means verbose and f forces

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:28 AM

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still same error

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base files is just this

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its on github anyway @maiden ridge https://github.com/rayanmargham/NyauxKC

GitHub

GitHub - rayanmargham/NyauxKC

Contribute to rayanmargham/NyauxKC development by creating an account on GitHub.

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:30 AM

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Run the copy first

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Then do the links

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:31 AM

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k

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:31 AM

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Second thing

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Weird

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Let me see the openrc recipe

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:31 AM

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yea look in the git repo its there

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recipes/openrc

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still same error

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:33 AM

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Ah wait

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Pass sbindir in the openrc recipe

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Maybe that should work

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https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=openrc

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:33 AM

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wdym?

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:33 AM

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maiden ridge https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=openrc

Check this

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arch-meson                       \
        --libexecdir=/usr/libexec/rc \
        --sbindir=/usr/bin           \

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:33 AM

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add sed?

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oh wait

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yea

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ill do that

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:34 AM

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Whenever I have doubts I just check the Arch Linux pkgbuilds lol

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Or LFS

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:35 AM

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still??

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:36 AM

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surreal path add sed?

Do this as well

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:36 AM

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okay

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:37 AM

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maiden ridge Do this as well

like this?

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:37 AM

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What does the pkgbuild do lol

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Yes

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:37 AM

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yea

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lets check

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will it build

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:37 AM

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Wait a minute

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:37 AM

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hm/

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:38 AM

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This pkgbuild format

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Is similar

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Ok wow

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Why did I realise this much later lmao

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:38 AM

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lol

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still same error

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:38 AM

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Ugh you can't do things like ls pkgs/package with this new Jinx as well

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:39 AM

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yea

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:46 AM

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maiden ridge Ugh you can't do things like ls pkgs/package with this new Jinx as well

wait nvm i forgot to save the recipe

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its telling me this

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maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:51 AM

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surreal path

${source_dir}/ ?

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:52 AM

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maiden ridge ${source_dir}/ ?

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:52 AM

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forgot what it was called builddir or something

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Oh nvm

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We literally just copy the source dir to the working dir

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:53 AM

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?/

maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:53 AM

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maiden ridge We literally just copy the source dir to the working dir

And then patch it and build from it lmao

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Wait

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 5:53 AM

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?

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ok

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same

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maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 5:57 AM

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Ok yeah prepare is never called that's why

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Bruh

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What is this weird thing

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Fuck it

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code sources/openrc

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Find the file

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And manually do the edit

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Then ./jinx rebuild openrc

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👍

mossy belfry Jul 20, 2025, 6:46 AM

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is the New York AUX allocator lockless btw

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nyaux

edgy pilot Jul 20, 2025, 6:55 AM

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mossy belfry is the New York AUX allocator lockless btw

no

thorn bramble Jul 20, 2025, 9:35 AM

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surreal path

openrc is installing files into /bin

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simple fix, make it not do that

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make it install things under $prefix/bin instead

tawdry mirage Jul 20, 2025, 9:36 AM

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thorn bramble openrc is installing files into /bin

i think the problem is that /bin is a symlink to /usr/bin, but openrc installs into /bin/... so it tries to create the directory /bin

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ah wait i misunderstood what you said lol

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yeah you need prefix=/usr

magic kernel Jul 20, 2025, 9:37 AM

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yeah

tawdry mirage Jul 20, 2025, 9:38 AM

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tawdry mirage ah wait i misunderstood what you said lol

i confused prefix with destdir for a moment meme

magic kernel Jul 20, 2025, 9:38 AM

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and keep in mind that xbps will not package empty directories, so add .keep to your empty stuff in base-files meme

thorn bramble Jul 20, 2025, 9:39 AM

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base files is correct

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it comes from vinix

tawdry mirage Jul 20, 2025, 9:39 AM

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yeah

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not saying it isnt

thorn bramble Jul 20, 2025, 9:39 AM

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or one of the many jinx distros maintained by mint

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i'm just noting that for dennis

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not really relevant but yeah

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 11:23 AM

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thorn bramble make it install things under $prefix/bin instead

how

magic kernel Jul 20, 2025, 11:52 AM

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thorn bramble i'm just noting that for dennis

Oh I know. It’s a general note

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Cuz those base-files are probably derived from core-files in Managarm, which I wrote meme

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 3:17 PM

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maiden ridge Jul 20, 2025, 3:17 PM

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surreal path

Lmao

supple robin Jul 20, 2025, 3:19 PM

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cooked

crystal scarab Jul 20, 2025, 3:21 PM

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i hate it when that happens

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 3:22 PM

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hold on killing some openrc devs

supple robin Jul 20, 2025, 3:27 PM

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mfw echo foo | xdd

ebon needle Jul 20, 2025, 3:41 PM

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surreal path

https://tenor.com/view/miss-you-bye-sorry-gif-10967431670052790097

Tenor

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 4:52 PM

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?????

magic kernel Jul 20, 2025, 5:45 PM

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surreal path

Where systemd

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 6:04 PM

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im taking a break from everything for at least a week, i am sorry.

crystal scarab Jul 20, 2025, 6:31 PM

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nooo

ebon needle Jul 20, 2025, 6:54 PM

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surreal path im taking a break from everything for at least a week, i am sorry.

why

broken depot Jul 20, 2025, 6:54 PM

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ebon needle why

why not

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 6:58 PM

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surreal path im taking a break from everything for at least a week, i am sorry.

nvm i wont, just ill be a little less active with nyaux for the next few days due to something that happened

magic kernel Jul 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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surreal path im taking a break from everything for at least a week, i am sorry.

Take your time bro. No hurries

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 7:05 PM

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magic kernel Where systemd

ok vro

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nooo

magic kernel Jul 20, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Bro I know you can do it

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Ur way smarter than me and I got it too (ok only cuz people with braincells wrote the underlying stuff for me meme )

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 7:07 PM

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id disagree with that statement but thanks dennis

magic kernel Jul 20, 2025, 7:07 PM

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Ok exhibit A why ur smarter than me: wrote an OS

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Couldn’t be me

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I never wrote an OS (unironically I never did)

elder shoal Jul 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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this reminds me I need to port openrc to astral, I've been meaning to do that since forever

crystal scarab Jul 20, 2025, 7:46 PM

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What do you guys use currently? A custom init, no init at all or what?

elder shoal Jul 20, 2025, 7:49 PM

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I use a simple init I wrote

crystal scarab Jul 20, 2025, 7:53 PM

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I see, me too

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 8:40 PM

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okay so the issue is

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for some odd reason process pid 3 has a pointer held to a process that JUST had its structure dealloced

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so like

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wtf?

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i LOVE shit related to race conditions!!!

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@kind root dont you love that

kind root Jul 20, 2025, 8:42 PM

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Those are the best bugs

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 8:42 PM

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WAIT just a fucking minute

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why am i deallocting the process structure in the first place

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i have a question

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with orphan'd process's should you deallocate its kernel stack? as well as its pagemap, fd shit, etc etc

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wait i forgor my kernel stacks are per thread

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okay not kernel stacks

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but the fd shit and the page map

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should THOSE get dealloc'd when a process gets orphan'd

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anyone know?

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 8:45 PM

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kind root Those are the best bugs

exactly

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:04 PM

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surreal path with orphan'd process's should you deallocate its kernel stack? as well as its p...

No, for orphaned processes you do not deallocate the k stack, page map, etc

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After the process fully exits

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:04 PM

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kk

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:05 PM

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You can then free

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:05 PM

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then reaper doesnt have to do much really

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:05 PM

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Yeah not at all

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:05 PM

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at least for now ™ ill need some mechanism for deallocating processes later ™ when openrc works for that and shit

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:06 PM

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You should reap first then deallocate

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:06 PM

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surreal path at least for now ™ ill need some mechanism for deallocating processes later ™ wh...

Based

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:06 PM

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coral dove You should reap first then deallocate

as in send process to pid 1

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yea

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ALSO

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:06 PM

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Yes

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:06 PM

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im still able to dealloc the threads

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right

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in reaper

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:06 PM

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Yes you can

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:06 PM

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epikc

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so i still get rid of kstack since its per thread

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:07 PM

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Yes, but only after the process exists

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:07 PM

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wha

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:07 PM

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Wait

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Oh nvm

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Yes you are

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You get rid of k stack because it’s per thread

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Correct

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:08 PM

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epic

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:08 PM

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Just make sure you do sanity checks because shit goes wrong when doing that for some reason

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Spam asserts for the time being

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assertos

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:28 PM

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surreal path epic

How’s it going

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Did you figure out the orphan process stuff?

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:28 PM

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it works

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mhm

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 9:28 PM

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Perfect

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Are you doing

Orphan -> reap -> dealloc ?

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 9:31 PM

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coral dove Are you doing Orphan -> reap -> dealloc ?

im doing orphan

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its the job of init to reap if im correct so

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i cant reap without a proper init

thorny glen Jul 20, 2025, 10:08 PM

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im doing orphan

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 10:08 PM

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im doing orphan

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 10:08 PM

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💀

molten grotto Jul 20, 2025, 10:09 PM

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how's nyaux going btw, I haven't really followed in the past weeks

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 10:09 PM

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molten grotto how's nyaux going btw, I haven't really followed in the past weeks

its going good actually

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we got openrc to semi-run dies cause no pipes

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bug with the fuckin scheduler was fixed

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bug with the keyboard is fixed

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we have proper ps2 now

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doom runs perfectly

molten grotto Jul 20, 2025, 10:13 PM

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poggers

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 10:14 PM

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indeed

coral dove Jul 20, 2025, 10:34 PM

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Bro

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I looked up how many times

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It says fuck in the Nyaux repo

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😭😭

#

surreal path Jul 20, 2025, 10:34 PM

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😭

mossy belfry Jul 20, 2025, 11:34 PM

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healthy and happy codebase

surreal path Jul 21, 2025, 10:37 PM

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hi chat

daring juniper Jul 21, 2025, 10:37 PM

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hallo :3

surreal path Jul 21, 2025, 10:37 PM

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im burned out a little so im actually taking a break at least for 1-3 days

kind root Jul 21, 2025, 10:56 PM

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surreal path hi chat

kid named chat

coral dove Jul 21, 2025, 11:01 PM

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surreal path doom runs perfectly

While you’re taking a break play through all of doom on nyaux and record it

tender gorge Jul 22, 2025, 12:46 AM

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surreal path im burned out a little so im actually taking a break at least for 1-3 days

Don't overwork yourself frien 🫂💙

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Even if a lot of this project is distraction, you're still doing it for fun

crystal scarab Jul 23, 2025, 12:27 PM

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surreal path

how did you get openrc statically linked?

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nvm i figured it out

surreal path Jul 23, 2025, 8:52 PM

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crystal scarab nvm i figured it out

i didnt link it statically?

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anyways tmrw we balling

crystal scarab Jul 23, 2025, 8:54 PM

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oh i see

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i don't have relocation yet

kind root Jul 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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surreal path anyways tmrw we balling

nyaux

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i made an idt

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are u proud of me

elder shoal Jul 23, 2025, 9:01 PM

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did you add an idt init.... ok print

kind root Jul 23, 2025, 9:08 PM

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i dont even have a gdt print atm

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i wil add those after i make a proper reentrant logger trl

coral dove Jul 23, 2025, 10:47 PM

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kind root i dont even have a gdt print atm

Most people don’t 😭😭 it’s just a meme here at this point

elder shoal Jul 23, 2025, 10:48 PM

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only the most advanced kernels have one

coral dove Jul 23, 2025, 10:48 PM

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Yessir

kind root Jul 23, 2025, 10:48 PM

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NOT meme, if u dont have it = your kernel is mid

coral dove Jul 23, 2025, 10:48 PM

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Don’t worry, it’s like the first thing that prints in mine lol

crystal scarab Jul 24, 2025, 12:12 AM

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3rd thing in mine

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Also mine has 3 GDTs

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I tried to remove one by moving its entries to another one but I couldn't get it working for some reason

daring juniper Jul 24, 2025, 12:14 AM

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crystal scarab I tried to remove one by moving its entries to another one but I couldn't get it...

why would you ever want to remove one? The more the merrier meme

crystal scarab Jul 24, 2025, 12:14 AM

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True

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But having a GDT with 7 entries is more fun for me :^)

daring juniper Jul 24, 2025, 12:15 AM

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fair lol

crystal scarab Jul 24, 2025, 12:15 AM

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Extra points if there're 32-bit or 16-bit entries

crystal scarab Jul 24, 2025, 12:17 AM

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crystal scarab 3rd thing in mine

First thing that I print is the kernel version, then I load kernel symbols and then GDT

mossy belfry Jul 24, 2025, 12:17 AM

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linux is terrible since they don't GDT init OK

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I also know my kernel will never be as good as your kernels so i also don't GDT init OK

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maybe linux is being humble

daring juniper Jul 24, 2025, 12:18 AM

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Also third thing in mine, after ASCII logo and kernel version

crystal scarab Jul 24, 2025, 12:18 AM

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mossy belfry I also know my kernel will never be as good as your kernels so i also don't GDT ...

I print the GDT address

mossy belfry Jul 24, 2025, 12:18 AM

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no need to flex on us like that jeez

crystal scarab Jul 24, 2025, 12:19 AM

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True

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 7:46 PM

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kind root i made an idt

yes

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little hot still so we wait a lil

kind root Jul 24, 2025, 8:14 PM

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fair fair

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 8:14 PM

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its so hot still??????

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its fucking 9:14pm

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my fans at full speed vro

mossy belfry Jul 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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do you live near the equator

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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its STILL hot even with the fan

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no

nova fox Jul 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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do u live in ca

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or in the US

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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no i live in ireland

nova fox Jul 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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danmn

mossy belfry Jul 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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how are the potatoes

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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ok vro

nova fox Jul 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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kris approved

elder shoal Jul 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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meanwhile I live in a country that the equator goes through and it was 10c this morning troll

nova fox Jul 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-kris-avatar-player-soul-gif-227291204203953429

Tenor

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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real

nova fox Jul 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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i live in the CA

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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elder shoal meanwhile I live in a country that the equator goes through and it was 10c this ...

im gonna eat you

ionic musk Jul 24, 2025, 8:27 PM

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elder shoal meanwhile I live in a country that the equator goes through and it was 10c this ...

The equator and the poles are slowly switching places

coral dove Jul 24, 2025, 8:29 PM

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surreal path its STILL hot even with the fan

Dude real

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It’s fucking 39C where I am right now

orchid dawn Jul 24, 2025, 9:21 PM

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elder shoal meanwhile I live in a country that the equator goes through and it was 10c this ...

cold as balls

orchid dawn Jul 24, 2025, 9:21 PM

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coral dove It’s fucking 39C where I am right now

it's basically always 37 - 49C here

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39C isn't that bad

coral dove Jul 24, 2025, 9:22 PM

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orchid dawn 39C isn't that bad

I live in the upper states of the United States so

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Weather is bipolar

orchid dawn Jul 24, 2025, 9:23 PM

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I live in Phoenix AZ 💔

coral dove Jul 24, 2025, 9:26 PM

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Oh that’s fucked

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I went there

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Last year

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I never experienced such torture

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I actually threw up when I went into my rental car

orchid dawn Jul 24, 2025, 9:26 PM

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I've been here my whole life 🥹

coral dove Jul 24, 2025, 9:26 PM

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After it sat in the sun

surreal path Jul 24, 2025, 11:50 PM

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i am working on nyaux js letting yall know, i forgot to say this i kinda js opened vscode and started cooking

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i am learning more about opendir() and readdir() in hopes to implement it for ls

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basically im writing a userspace test program to see how linux behaves

coral dove Jul 25, 2025, 1:20 AM

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surreal path i am working on nyaux js letting yall know, i forgot to say this i kinda js open...

Awesome man glad to hear it

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Let him cook

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https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

Tenor

cinder plinth Jul 25, 2025, 9:56 AM

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orchid dawn 39C isn't that bad

Humid it is very bad

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Dry it's fine

surreal path Jul 26, 2025, 5:05 PM

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mb chat had a doctor appointment yesterday

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im still trying to figure out how should i implement directory streams

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i still do not understand what d_off is, manpage makes it kinda vague lol

tawdry mirage Jul 26, 2025, 5:06 PM

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d_off where?

brisk zenith Jul 26, 2025, 5:07 PM

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surreal path i still do not understand what d_off is, manpage makes it kinda vague lol

Basically just an opaque value that when seeked to returns the directory entry

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Assuming the directory wasn't modified in the meantime

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Historically it was the byte offset of the directory data on disk but nowadays it's just an opaque value

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:45 PM

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brisk zenith Basically just an opaque value that when seeked to returns the directory entry

the fuck????

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also my bad chat js depression is why i havent been active

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:45 PM

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surreal path the fuck????

thats so retarded

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:46 PM

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dw

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but yeah basically it's just if you seek(SEEK_SET) with this value you get the entry it's from unless the directory has been modified in the meantime and it does not necessarily have any further meaning

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:47 PM

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thats so stupid

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also for impl of directory streams ill js implement it where fd->privatedata will store the directory stream shi and like the fd wont have an underlying vnode and uhhhh yea well i need to also figure out how to store the directory entries in the privatedata field to be fair

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:49 PM

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oh and it should match the return value of lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR) before the readdir call

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:50 PM

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brisk zenith oh and it should match the return value of lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR) before the rea...

? im confused

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:50 PM

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surreal path also for impl of directory streams ill js implement it where fd->privatedata wil...

well directories have vnodes too why would the fd need to have no underlying vnode

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:50 PM

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i mean directory stream not directories they have vnodes lol

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:51 PM

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yeah and directory streams are just fds from the kernel's perspective, why would you make those fds have no underlying vnode instead of pointing to the directory's vnode

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:52 PM

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oh then if they point to the directories vnode where do i store the dictory entry stream struct thingys

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:53 PM

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surreal path ? im confused

that call returns the current position in the directory fd; this code should always succeed (barring concurrent use of the fd or modification of the dir) ```c
struct dentry entry;
off_t pos = lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR);
readdir_fd(fd, &entry);
assert(entry.d_pos == pos);

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:54 PM

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surreal path oh then if they point to the directories vnode where do i store the dictory entr...

I'm a bit confused now too. directory fds need no extra state compared to file fds, what extra stuff do you think you need to store?

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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well posix expects directories streams to be like in a certain structure

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right

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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do you mean the DIR type?

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:55 PM

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yea

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:56 PM

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that's a libc internal thing that's implemented on top of fds

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similar to FILE vs fds

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:56 PM

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right

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:56 PM

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as far as the syscall layer is concerned it's just an fd

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:56 PM

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what does mlibc expect

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:57 PM

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iirc all mlibc wants for directories specifically is sys_getdents

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and it should return the same structure as linux's getdents64

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:57 PM

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ya mean this

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:57 PM

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ah yeah that

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:58 PM

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so like u have to store those d entries somewhere right

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thats ze thing

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:58 PM

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it also might expect sys_seek to work properly on directories as i described earlier, but that's only if mlibc is fully feature complete wrt the dir stream functions

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 5:58 PM

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surreal path so like u have to store those d entries somewhere right

they're stored in the vnode

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 5:59 PM

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so that means the dir stream vnode ptr should not point to the directory vnode

tawdry mirage Jul 27, 2025, 5:59 PM

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brisk zenith it also might expect sys_seek to work properly on directories as i described ear...

not sure we implement seekdir

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void seekdir(DIR *, long) {
    __ensure(!"Not implemented");
    __builtin_unreachable();
}
long telldir(DIR *) {
    __ensure(!"Not implemented");
    __builtin_unreachable();
}

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nop

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and apparently no one in the whole world needs this :^)

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:00 PM

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brisk zenith they're stored in the vnode

just like you (probably) have a vnode function for looking up the child of a directory vnode, you should have a readdir function that reads as many entries from a specific position

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:00 PM

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oh i see

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what would that readdir function op look like

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:01 PM

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pretty much exactly the same as the normal read function

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:01 PM

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yea but what would it read into the buf

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a posix dir entry thingy?

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:01 PM

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you might even make them the same function although then you have to be extra careful to return EISDIR/ENOTDIR when appropriate

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:02 PM

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and wdym by as many entries as possible from a position

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my brain is exploding

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😭

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:02 PM

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surreal path yea but what would it read into the buf

iirc mlibc expects multiple (as many as can fit) variable-sized struct linux_dirent64 elements

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:03 PM

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surreal path and wdym by as many entries as possible from a position

just like how normal read takes the size of the buffer and reads bytes into it until either EOF or the buffer is full, readdir takes the size of the buffer and reads entries into it until either EOF or the next entry doesn't fit

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:03 PM

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right

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:06 PM

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so like if you have a size_t readdir(vnode *self, void *buffer, size_t size, uint64_t *position) it'll read entries starting at position (note this is an opaque filesystem-internal value; the only value that's guaranteed to mean anything is 0 which reads from the start of the dir) until EOF or size - bytes_read < size_of_next_entry, at which point it updates position and returns bytes_read

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:06 PM

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right

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is there an impl i can take a look at as reference?

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:08 PM

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these are the dir seek and readdir functions of hydrogen's ramfs https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/main/kernel%2Ffs%2Framfs.c#L211-L320

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:09 PM

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right

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i see u implement seek on the fs level itself

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:09 PM

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readdir figures out which dentry to start with (potentially a fake one for the two dot entries) and starts writing into the buffer until you can't anymore

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:09 PM

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nyaux does not do this, it does it on the fd level

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:10 PM

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in this case position is just an index into the list of children (offset by 2 to account for the fake . and .. entries)

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:10 PM

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right

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:10 PM

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surreal path i see u implement seek on the fs level itself

only kind of

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the seek function on the fs level takes an anchor and an offset and returns either an error or an absolute position

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it doesn't actually update the fd

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you have to have some kind of fs-level seek function because different file types/devices interpret anchors and positions in different ways

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for example some fs might only support seek_{set,cur,end} while another also supports seek_hole

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one device might support seek_{set,cur} but not seek_end

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:12 PM

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brisk zenith you have to have some kind of fs-level seek function because different file type...

nooo

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:12 PM

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also fs-level is kind of a misnomer here, these functions are per-file-description

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different file descriptions from the same fs are allowed to have different readdir impls for example

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:13 PM

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even fucking worse nooo

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what do i do in that case nooo nooo

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like what do u think nyaux should do that would be easiest cause this sounds complicateed as fuck

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:14 PM

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this is also necessary for proper chardev/blkdev support, where they can exist on almost any fs but their ops are independent of the fs

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:14 PM

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also wtf is happening here

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:14 PM

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brisk zenith this is also necessary for proper chardev/blkdev support, where they can exist o...

fucking hell nooo nooo i dont know what to do

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:15 PM

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surreal path also wtf is happening here

getting the parent directory while taking into account crossing mounts, chroot, etc

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:15 PM

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oh yea

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:15 PM

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surreal path fucking hell <:nooo:750466870993223750> <:nooo:750466870993223750> i dont know w...

nooo

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like

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i dont even know where to begin impling that

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im so fucking cookef

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like how does that even fucking work

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who changes the ops

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:16 PM

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might be best to conceptually imagine it in a language that has OOP support like C++

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:16 PM

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why is it required for proper chardev/blkdev support

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:16 PM

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brisk zenith might be best to conceptually imagine it in a language that has OOP support like...

no i cant

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everything vfs is C

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im afraid

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:16 PM

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conceptually imagine is different from implement

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you can conceptually imagine something in C++ and implement it in C

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:17 PM

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right but like i dont get any of this in general

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thats the thing

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:20 PM

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right now you have something like this ```c++
class FileDescription {
off_t position;
Vnode *vnode;

public:
off_t seek(...) {
...
this->position = new_position;
return new_position;
}

ssize_t read(...) {
    ...
    int error = this->vnode->read(buffer, num_readable, this->position);
    ...
    this->position += num_readable;
    ...
}

};

class Vnode {
public:
virtual int read(...) {
return ENOTSUP;
}
};

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:20 PM

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mhm

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:31 PM

#

hydrogen has something like this (with different names and stuff ofc) ```c++
class Vnode {
...
public:
virtual FileDescription *open(...) {
return EXDEV;
}
...
};

class RegularFileVnode : public Vnode {
...
public:
virtual int read(...) {
...
}

virtual FileDescription *open(...) {
    return new RegularFileDescription(...);
}
...

};

class DirectoryVnode : public Vnode {
...
public:
virtual FileDescription *open(...) = 0; // overridden by fs
...
};

class DeviceVnode : public Vnode {
...
public:
virtual FileDescription *open(...) {
...
return getDevice(id)->open(...);
}
...
};

class FileDescription {
protected:
off_t position;
Vnode *vnode;

virtual off_t make_absolute_position(off_t offset, int anchor) {
    return -ESPIPE;
}

virtual ssize_t do_read(void *buffer, size_t size, off_t position) {
    return -ENOTSUP;
}

public:
off_t seek(...) {
...
off_t new_position = this->make_absolute_position(offset, anchor);
...
this->position = new_position;
return new_position;
}

ssize_t read(...) {
    ...
    ssize_t ret = do_read(buffer, size, this->position);
    ...
    this->position += ret;
    return ret;
}

ssize_t pread(...) {
    ...
    ssize_t ret = do_read(buffer, size, position);
    ...
    return ret;
}

virtual ssize_t readdir(...) {
    return ENOTDIR;
}

};

class RegularFileDescription : public FileDescription {
protected:
virtual off_t make_absolute_position(off_t offset, int anchor) {
...
}

virtual ssize_t do_read(...) override {
    ...
    int error = static_cast<RegularFileVnode *>(this->vnode)->read(buffer, num_readable, position);
    ...
    return num_readable;
}

};

#

you will notice that vnodes are responsible for creating the file description

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some vnodes (regular files, chardevs, blockdevs) have a common fs-independent open implementation (and thus file description implementation)

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others (directories) do not

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the fs-independent file description implementation for regular files make it so filesystems only have to provide a single function (in this example, reading from an absolute position without taking into account EOF; in actual hydrogen, it's everything necessary for mmap to work properly)

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what does this look like in C?

Vnode/RegularFileVnode/DirectoryVnode/DeviceVnode: https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3be7bc/kernel/include/fs/vfs.h#L127-L182
FileDescription: https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3be7bc/kernel/include/fs/vfs.h#L75-L100 (pointer to ops is stored within file.base)
RegularFileDescription: https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3be7bc/kernel/fs/vfs.c#L1295-L1438

#

you'll notice that in mapping this to C some stuff that is conceptually virtual no longer is for efficiency reasons

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some stuff that was separated is put together for cleanliness

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etc

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for example what was "virtual ... open(...)" has become a switch case: https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3be7bc/kernel/fs/vfs.c#L1466-L1499

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here's the generic vfs_pread function in hydrogen as a usage example https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3be7bc/kernel/fs/vfs.c#L1641-L1651

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it just makes sure the args are sane, that the file in question can both seek and read, and delegates to the file description function

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for regular files that goes into the fs-generic regular_file_read which interacts with the page cache

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but this op doesn't have to be fs-generic

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or it the generic version can be built on top of a different mechanism like the page cache

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:40 PM

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surreal path why is it required for proper chardev/blkdev support

chardevs and blkdevs can exist on any filesystem, but the operations done on them are independent of that filesystem. you cannot implement this cleanly if you unconditionally use generic functions that delegate to vnodes

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similar story with FIFOs (aka named pipes, which is a bit of a misnomer imo since the more convenient way to implement it is pipes being unnamed fifos)

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:41 PM

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like i have so many questions (wtf is a EXDEV) what the fuck is a getDevice(id)???? whats id>??? for some reason all of this is making me overwhelmed? i feel like i have to rewrite my entire vfs to make this work to be fair nooo but like i can think of one way of making this work with my cur vfs impl, js forcefully add some switch statement when mlibc calls open and make it init a dif struct instead of a reg fd, then have that be used for open instead. is this a simple and easy way to get this working without TOO much work? or is this retarded

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:41 PM

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well getDevice(id) takes a major,minor combo and returns the actual device

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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why do u do that

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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it's just conceptual; in hydrogen I don't have major,minor numbers and just store a pointer to the device in the vnode struct

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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why do u lookup via major minor??

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i dont have major minor numbers so i dont care tbf

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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because that's the Unixlike Way of Doing Things

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:42 PM

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i dont like that way so im js not gonna do that

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:43 PM

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surreal path like i have so many questions (wtf is a EXDEV) what the fuck is a getDevice(id)...

however is this solution at least semi decent

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:43 PM

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oh I just noticed I used the wrong error code there, EXDEV should be ENOTSUP

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let me think abt that solution though

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:43 PM

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kk

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:44 PM

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brisk zenith for example what was "virtual ... open(...)" has become a switch case: <https://...

do you mean something like this?

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this is within the generic open implementation

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:44 PM

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well nop

#

i meant this

#


struct regfdhnd {
...
struct devfshndops *possibledevfdops;
};

struct syscall_ret syscall_open(...) {
...
  if (hnd->node->v_type == BLKDEV || hnd->node->v_type == CHVDEV) {
  hnd->devfshndops = ?; // i dont know what to set that to but default impl i guess?
hnd->devfshndops->open(...); // after doing shit will call node open
}
...
};

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@brisk zenith

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:56 PM

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that looks right yeah, linux does something similar

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:57 PM

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okay so that means i DONT have to rewrite my entire vfs lol

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holy shit lets fucking go

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:57 PM

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they store file description ops in the inode (their vnode) and/or device and open is within those file description ops

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:57 PM

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right

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welp i dont know what open for a device would really do? other then like idfk? i genuinely have no use for fd indepent device open calls atm to be fair

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:58 PM

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ttys do special shit on open

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:58 PM

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like other then calling open on the device itself

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:58 PM

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brisk zenith ttys do special shit on open

like what?

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

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setting controlling terminal for example

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connecting to the modem if relevant and not already done

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

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shouldnt that be done on the vnode open itself

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

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the vnode open is the device open

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

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yea

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so tty should do it on the device open?

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:00 PM

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yeah

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:00 PM

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so again no use for fs indepement open yet lol

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anyways ill impl that soon like later its so fucking hot

#

then ill have to deal with figuring out the funny, i.e. making readdir work

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also btw on creation do directories create the posix dentry_ts they store on a fs level?

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in like a list

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i see u kinda do that in hydrogen?

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:03 PM

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hydrogen's a bad example for things like that because the only semi-real filesystem it has is ramfs and for stuff like that you need a real on-disk fs to compare against

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:03 PM

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right

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

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in this case dentry_t is an entry in the directory structure cache

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

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which i 100000% have

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

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for ramfs every entry in said cache that hasn't been removed has an extra reference so it stays in memory

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

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trollmogus

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:04 PM

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I suspect you have something that is effectively the same thing except private to the ramfs implementation

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because there's not really any other way to implement ramfs

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:05 PM

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i dont have a cache

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:05 PM

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and with ramfs it effectively isn't a cache

#

do you have a list of named vnodes on every directory vnode? or maybe a hashmap?

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because that's effectively what hydrogen's dentry "cache" is on ramfs

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:05 PM

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we have this

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:06 PM

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yeah that's basically the same thing as my dentry_t when associated with ramfs

#

within the vfs as a whole there's a huge difference

#

but all ramfs knows about it is that it's a way to go from parent + name to child

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or from parent to children + names

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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okay but how does this relate to the funny posix dentry structs

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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not in the slightest

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:07 PM

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yea lol

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

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it's just where I get some of the data from

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

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makes sense

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:09 PM

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this is the function that emits my equivalent of posix's dentry https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3be7bc/kernel/include/fs/vfs.h#L297

#

ramfs gets the parameters to this function from dentry_t, but that's the full extent of the relationship

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:09 PM

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OH

#

i was being retarded

#

i thought i had to store those dentry_ts in some kind of list

#

but i dont

#

like i thought i had to allocate them

#

i can js create them on the stack then write that shit to the buffer right

#

shouldnt be bad

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 7:10 PM

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yeah all readdir does is call that function until it eofs or errors (probably due to a lack of space)

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 7:11 PM

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yea lol

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 9:28 PM

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welp guess ill do opendir

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OH

#

i did not read

#

my bad

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 9:51 PM

#

brisk zenith hydrogen has something like this (with different names and stuff ofc) ```c++ cla...

can you give me ur devicevnode open

#

@brisk zenith if ur up that is lol

brisk zenith Jul 27, 2025, 9:51 PM

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https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3be7bc/kernel/fs/vfs.c#L1490

#

the function pointer here is device-dependent

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 9:52 PM

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okay interesting

#

nyaux has the device as a fs itself called devtmpfs

#

but i can still make this work

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 9:54 PM

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brisk zenith <https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3...

well thats what i do now

#

pretty much useless for now

#

😭

#

found a bug

#

another bug

#

fun

#

why is catting the dev dir calling hardlink

tender gorge Jul 27, 2025, 10:20 PM

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surreal path also my bad chat js depression is why i havent been active

🥺 🫂 💙

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love you /p

kind root Jul 27, 2025, 10:21 PM

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what is /p?

tender gorge Jul 27, 2025, 10:21 PM

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platonic

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:22 PM

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platonic

kind root Jul 27, 2025, 10:22 PM

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sad

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:22 PM

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alex is already dating laura lol

mossy belfry Jul 27, 2025, 10:22 PM

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"No hetero"

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:22 PM

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i set the breakpoint yet

#

its not letting me get into the function\

#

#

bro

#

kind root Jul 27, 2025, 10:25 PM

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whats the bug atm

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:25 PM

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catting /dev does this weird ah shit

kind root Jul 27, 2025, 10:26 PM

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just dont cat it trl

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:26 PM

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lol

#

but seriously tho this bug is so fucking weird

kind root Jul 27, 2025, 10:26 PM

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i believe u

#

btw do u plan to ever rewrite nyaux

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:30 PM

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no

#

thats a waste of time

kind root Jul 27, 2025, 10:30 PM

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real

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:38 PM

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well i still have this bug but this is better?

#

i mean

#

i get no input if i cat /dev/keyboard but yk

#

WHY IS IT CLOSING FD 1 AND FD 0 😭

crystal scarab Jul 27, 2025, 10:51 PM

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it is running the funny

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:51 PM

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lol but seriously why is it closing fd 1 and fd 2???

kind root Jul 27, 2025, 10:52 PM

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it hates them

surreal path Jul 27, 2025, 10:56 PM

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oh wait its doing it for cat

#

thats normal

#

yea i have no idea

surreal path Jul 28, 2025, 12:52 AM

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why does nothing make sense here

#

nooo

thorn bramble Jul 28, 2025, 12:54 AM

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it's not supposed to

#

🧌

surreal path Jul 28, 2025, 12:55 AM

#

ok vro

thorn bramble Jul 28, 2025, 12:55 AM

#

nothing ever makes sense vro

surreal path Jul 28, 2025, 12:55 AM

#

🥀

ebon needle Jul 28, 2025, 4:33 AM

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surreal path WHY IS IT CLOSING FD 1 AND FD 0 😭

is they are tty

surreal path Jul 28, 2025, 4:34 AM

#

ebon needle is they are tty

yes

ebon needle Jul 28, 2025, 4:35 AM

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surreal path yes

then you can just ignore

coral dove Jul 28, 2025, 5:37 AM

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brisk zenith <https://github.com/proxima-os/hydrogen/blob/c18f439c1a8c8f72f14e8eea62ee0d77dc3...

You have an extremely good kernel

#

Holy shit

surreal path Jul 28, 2025, 10:27 PM

#

hi chat

#

we debug later

#

i was busy all day

surreal path Jul 29, 2025, 7:26 PM

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nvm i kinda slept lmao

#

also pc is bought

broken depot Jul 29, 2025, 7:26 PM

#

Nyaux Gaming

surreal path Jul 29, 2025, 7:26 PM

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coming idk in like 1-2 weeks

#

real

broken depot Jul 29, 2025, 7:26 PM

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(Port tetris)

surreal path Jul 29, 2025, 7:26 PM

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maybw

broken depot Jul 29, 2025, 7:27 PM

#

Damn now I want to port Tetris to BadgerOS too

#

Unfortunately that's a bit far away in my current planning for it.

thorn bramble Jul 29, 2025, 7:28 PM

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surreal path coming idk in like 1-2 weeks

HOW LONG???

#

WHAT

surreal path Jul 29, 2025, 7:28 PM

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yes

thorn bramble Jul 29, 2025, 7:28 PM

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where the hell did u buy it from vro

#

taiwan???

surreal path Jul 29, 2025, 7:28 PM

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pcspealiest.ie

daring juniper Jul 29, 2025, 7:28 PM

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1-2 weeks ain't that bad

thorn bramble Jul 29, 2025, 7:28 PM

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it is pretty bad when 99% of prebuilts ship within a few days max

#

but maybe it's a small irish company that builds them on demand

#

who knows, not me

surreal path Jul 29, 2025, 7:29 PM

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its custom parts that get assembled

broken depot Jul 29, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Custom assembly 1-2 weeks makes sense for

ebon needle Jul 29, 2025, 7:36 PM

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surreal path pcspealiest.ie

why not to build yourself

surreal path Jul 29, 2025, 7:36 PM

#

my dad wants to fiance from this one company named humm

#

i dont have a choice in the matter im afraid

ebon needle Jul 29, 2025, 7:37 PM

#

😔

molten grotto Jul 29, 2025, 7:37 PM

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broken depot (Port tetris)

have to be careful tho, tetris holdings is a shitty company that likes to file dmca's

#

though if the tetris is made by someone else then it doesn't matter ig

edgy pilot Jul 29, 2025, 7:38 PM

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write your own tetris

molten grotto Jul 29, 2025, 7:38 PM

#

or you can port a gameboy emulator

#

I did that with my own emulator

ebon needle Jul 29, 2025, 7:39 PM

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molten grotto or you can port a gameboy emulator

there's easy portable gameboy emulators ???

broken depot Jul 29, 2025, 7:40 PM

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molten grotto have to be careful tho, tetris holdings is a shitty company that likes to file d...

There's like one billion tetris clones, just port some random command-line Linux one that almost certainly exists already.

elder shoal Jul 29, 2025, 8:16 PM

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thorn bramble HOW LONG???

thats a normal shipping time hwat

#

most of the things I order get here in like 1-2 weeks

magic kernel Jul 29, 2025, 9:20 PM

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surreal path my dad wants to fiance from this one company named humm

Absolute braindead retardation sorry. I wouldn’t get too attached to it. If he doesn’t make payments high court enforcement (or whatever it’s called in Ireland, this is UK terms) they’ll get your shit and you’re fucked

magic kernel Jul 29, 2025, 9:21 PM

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surreal path pcspealiest.ie

Proper vendor tho. My laptop came from them (well the Dutch version)

kind root Jul 29, 2025, 9:22 PM

#

surreal path also pc is bought

specs?

edgy pilot Jul 29, 2025, 9:23 PM

#

iirc

#

ryzen 5 9600
16 gb 5200mhz cl40 ddr5
9060xt
1 tb 990 evo plus

#

or 9700

kind root Jul 29, 2025, 9:23 PM

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same ssd as me

edgy pilot Jul 29, 2025, 9:29 PM

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I have 970 evo plus

molten grotto Jul 29, 2025, 9:30 PM

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I have 1tb 980 pro (and 990 pro 2tb though that's still on my shelf and I haven't yet installed that) + 1tb sata crucial mx500 + 240gb sata kingston a400

orchid dawn Jul 30, 2025, 7:05 AM

#

damn, wtf

#

yall are past Ryzen 5000 yet?

#

crazy, I could never afford something that new

#

all I have is a Ryzen 3500X, a 5700U, a 5500U, and a 4750U

edgy pilot Jul 30, 2025, 7:19 AM

#

I have 4650g

supple robin Jul 30, 2025, 7:31 AM

#

edgy pilot or 9700

9600

magic kernel Jul 30, 2025, 8:22 AM

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edgy pilot ryzen 5 9600 16 gb 5200mhz cl40 ddr5 9060xt 1 tb 990 evo plus

Decent specs. I’d want more storage tho (also 16GB is minimum, upgrade to 32 when available. Your LLVM compiles will thank you)

supple robin Jul 30, 2025, 9:24 AM

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i think it was 32gb actually

magic kernel Jul 30, 2025, 10:51 AM

#

It better be

rare pebble Jul 30, 2025, 4:22 PM

#

I mean, I'd hope there'd be at least 25 messages in 27 days KEKW

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:21 PM

#

rare pebble I mean, I'd hope there'd be at least 25 messages in 27 days <:KEKW:9137083723296...

its not my fault atp, its due to my mood getting even worse

#

yes i still work on nyaux regularly but not as much anymore

#

i dont even get on discord as much anymore

#

as im just way too fucking depressed to open the laptop

#

most of the time i just stare at the ceiling

#

its not that i dont like working on it its just shit has gotten WAY worse this past month

#

to the point its difficult to even do much

#

but like cry and shit

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:22 PM

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kind root specs?

ilo specs are correct

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:22 PM

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magic kernel Absolute braindead retardation sorry. I wouldn’t get too attached to it. If he d...

i know

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:23 PM

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surreal path but like cry and shit

ill try to work more on nyaux when the PC arrives i guess

#

but like dont expect wayland in a week

#

or smt

#

im gonna go attempt to try the last time to get my dad to talk to the doctor about meds

#

if he makes another excuse im changing the doctor myself atp

#

if only i wasnt depressed, nyaux would be in fucking Xorg i swear

#

nah fucking systemd vro

#

and like i know yall dont expect me to work on it but i want to thats not what im talking about, im js frustrated atp with how im feeling and shit doesnt change and shit get even worse mood wise SOMEHOW

magic kernel Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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surreal path ilo specs are correct

Bro first upgrade you’d do on that box is RAM. Then probably storage.

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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magic kernel Bro first upgrade you’d do on that box is RAM. Then probably storage.

yea the RAM is kinda slow

magic kernel Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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surreal path if only i wasnt depressed, nyaux would be in fucking Xorg i swear

Bro you got this

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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magic kernel Bro you got this

thanks dennis

magic kernel Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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surreal path yea the RAM is kinda slow

More concerned about 16gigs

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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no its 32GB

magic kernel Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

#

I feel the strain of 16gigs on the laptop

#

Oh it is

#

Baller

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

#

yea

#

im not retarded

magic kernel Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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Then storage probably first

surreal path Jul 31, 2025, 4:30 PM

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lol

#

yea pretty much

#

again for nyaux development to say on topic i dont think im gonna write a single line until the PC arrives to be fair

#

itll come soon tho

#

its under testing

#

photos btw its been built (this link doesnt have private info dw)

#

https://www.pcspecialist.ie/order-images/DXnebTZKxP0AMgQwGa89/3145419/

PCSPECIALIST - Top Spec Custom PCs & Laptops Built to Order

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tender gorge Jul 31, 2025, 4:38 PM

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surreal path if he makes another excuse im changing the doctor myself atp

id recommend that

#

was one of the things i wanted to talk to you about when we meet up lol

magic kernel Jul 31, 2025, 9:59 PM

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Yeah. You’re 18, you can choose

#

I’d do that ngl

#

You don’t have to deal with your dad here

cinder plinth Jul 31, 2025, 11:41 PM

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here at 14 your parents dont have access to your medical info

coral dove Aug 1, 2025, 12:08 AM

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cinder plinth here at 14 your parents dont have access to your medical info

Yeah in the US at 13 your parents can’t have the info without your permission

frigid cliff Aug 1, 2025, 12:34 PM

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Depends on the state

#

Especially depending on what the medical info is

#

Like I know that in my state (tbh idk why I know this) if you are positive for HIV your healthcare provider MUST tell your parents

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 7:57 PM

#

also something more funny

#

nyaux js randomly page faulted js now when trying to launch init

#

just randomly

#

it happened once

#

not reproducable

#

everything works fine after rebooting that VM

#

and does for like 50 tries

#

ANYWAYS

#

pc is dispatched

#

we so ball when it comes

mossy belfry Aug 1, 2025, 8:12 PM

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surreal path nyaux js randomly page faulted js now when trying to launch init

race condition or solar ray bitflip... we shall never know

median goblet Aug 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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surreal path nyaux js randomly page faulted js now when trying to launch init

nyaux js? are you making a web framework now

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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ok vro

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:00 PM

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surreal path not reproducable

just run it a few thousand times

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

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ah yes

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

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(scripts exist)

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

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im not doing that

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

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make something for testing

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

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im not running it a thousand times

#

even with a scrip

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

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it should take less than a second to reach init

#

half a second

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:01 PM

#

no?

#

unpacking tha tar exist

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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bro just make a disk image

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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no

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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who uses initramfs that's gigabytes in size

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that's not what initramfs is for

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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i dont

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its 400mb

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mostly cause gcc is compiled with -g\

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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surreal path its 400mb

too big already

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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also making a disk image???

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wdym

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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edgy pilot too big already

yea because i compile gcc with -g

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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surreal path also making a disk image???

a disk image

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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nyaux gets turned into an iso

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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a file that imitates a disk and you store other files in

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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im not writing a disk driver

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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surreal path nyaux gets turned into an iso

ok you can still have a disk?

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:03 PM

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surreal path im not writing a disk driver

how is it a proper os then

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basic nvme is ezpz

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:04 PM

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edgy pilot how is it a proper os then

it runs programs properly

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it manages resources like a kernel should

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its mostly posix complient

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:04 PM

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no readdir?

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https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

Tenor

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:04 PM

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nooo

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again when i get my pc

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:05 PM

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surreal path its mostly posix complient

compliant

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:05 PM

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surreal path <:nooo:750466870993223750>

can you do ls

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:06 PM

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no nooo

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ill work on it with a get my pc

edgy pilot Aug 1, 2025, 9:06 PM

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surreal path ill work on it with a get my pc

when is that?

surreal path Aug 1, 2025, 9:07 PM

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edgy pilot when is that?

2-3 working days

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so monday to tuesday most likely

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its been dispatched

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like today

surreal path Aug 3, 2025, 6:33 PM

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it will probs come tomorrow

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or after tomorrow

kind root Aug 3, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Letsgo

surreal path Aug 4, 2025, 9:57 AM

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pcs not coming til wednesday todays a bank holiday

glossy walrus Aug 4, 2025, 10:44 AM

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how do you not know that

surreal path Aug 4, 2025, 10:44 AM

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glossy walrus how do you not know that

i forgor

surreal path Aug 4, 2025, 8:39 PM

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its coming tmrw

glossy walrus Aug 4, 2025, 8:40 PM

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surreal path its coming tmrw

fedora install livestream?

surreal path Aug 4, 2025, 8:40 PM

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glossy walrus fedora install livestream?

lol

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ill genuinely see if fedora is on the cards

edgy pilot Aug 4, 2025, 8:51 PM

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it is always on the cards

still estuary Aug 4, 2025, 9:05 PM

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nya :3

broken depot Aug 4, 2025, 9:06 PM

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nya/ux (the cat operating system)

surreal path Aug 5, 2025, 6:42 PM

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Pc acquired tmrw we fucking ball, I need today to tho to like set everything up and stuff

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Also wanna play a few games

elder shoal Aug 5, 2025, 7:06 PM

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play gregtech new horizons

ebon needle Aug 5, 2025, 7:06 PM

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surreal path Also wanna play a few games

hello neighbor

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or you can play bendy

magic kernel Aug 5, 2025, 7:11 PM

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elder shoal play gregtech new horizons

Po2 kappa mode or go home

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(Or I guess po3 kappa mode if you want a newer MC version)

surreal path Aug 6, 2025, 10:21 PM

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Alright chat we ball tonight

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sorry I fell asleep and

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nightmares happened

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But we still balling tonight dwdw

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We will implement dir streams

broken depot Aug 6, 2025, 10:36 PM

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Do you mean stuff like getdents?

surreal path Aug 6, 2025, 10:37 PM

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Yes

broken depot Aug 6, 2025, 10:39 PM

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very cool

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ls support in nyaux lesgo

surreal path Aug 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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compiling nyaux now

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we are SO back

daring juniper Aug 6, 2025, 11:49 PM

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letsgo

elder shoal Aug 6, 2025, 11:56 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

Tenor

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nyaux is real

rich trellis Aug 7, 2025, 2:20 AM

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letsgo

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 7:54 PM

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alright sorry chat, we are balling now im working on it rn

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so last time we were at figuring cat /dev/keyboard right

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okay so new development, ps2keyboard is getting its deconstructor called??

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okay

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yea i e whats going on

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wtf do i do atp

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program is calling close on fd3

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but bash is also using fd 3??

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does anyone know what should i do in this scenario

edgy pilot Aug 7, 2025, 8:24 PM

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debug

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:24 PM

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edgy pilot debug

what?

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no i mean

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its perfectly reasonable

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that bash and the program are gonna use the same fd here

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but i dont know what to do

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in this scenario

molten grotto Aug 7, 2025, 8:25 PM

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surreal path but bash is also using fd 3??

you refcount the object the fd refers to right?

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:25 PM

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no

edgy pilot Aug 7, 2025, 8:26 PM

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surreal path that bash and the program are gonna use the same fd here

do you share file descriptor tbsle between bash and a child process?

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:26 PM

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edgy pilot do you share file descriptor tbsle between bash and a child process?

the fd table is duplicated

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as per fork

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they shouldnt share teh same table after fork tho

edgy pilot Aug 7, 2025, 8:26 PM

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surreal path the fd table is duplicated

then why would a process care about another process' file descriptors?

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close one, other is still open

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:26 PM

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wait

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i js had a brain blast

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omg im a retard

edgy pilot Aug 7, 2025, 8:27 PM

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real

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:27 PM

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oky so basically in the keyboard i have this array that stores ps2keyboard classes

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index is the fd

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thats not gonna work with multi processes

molten grotto Aug 7, 2025, 8:30 PM

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surreal path no

so when you do ```c
int fd = open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY);
int new_fd = dup(fd);
close(fd);
char buf[4];
read(new_fd, buf, 4);

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:30 PM

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molten grotto so when you do ```c int fd = open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY); int new_fd = dup(fd); ...

i think youd be cooked

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idk

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well no u wouldnt

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duping fd creates a new fd handle

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if other fd is closed ™ that new fd handle wont close

molten grotto Aug 7, 2025, 8:32 PM

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what does it refer to tho

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:32 PM

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molten grotto what does it refer to tho

you mean what fd handle is?

edgy pilot Aug 7, 2025, 8:32 PM

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what does fd handle refer to

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underlying file

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:32 PM

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kind root Aug 7, 2025, 8:33 PM

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whats a real handle?

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:33 PM

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this bullshiut

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh waittt

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yea ur right

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that shit would cook nyaux qwinci

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i forgor how my fds work again

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lol

molten grotto Aug 7, 2025, 8:34 PM

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yeah you should refcount the filedescriptorhandle

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:34 PM

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whats the best way to do that tho

molten grotto Aug 7, 2025, 8:35 PM

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and in dup you just increment the refcount of that and put a copy of it to the new location

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:35 PM

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molten grotto and in dup you just increment the refcount of that and put a copy of it to the n...

you mean a copy of the refcount? like duped fd and fd store the same refcount or smt

surreal path Aug 7, 2025, 8:35 PM

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surreal path whats the best way to do that tho

?

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