Nyaux

[maiden ridge]

This gives a 150mb iso

[surreal path]

so something is cooked with my recipes

[maiden ridge]

Do you strip the binaries at the end?

[surreal path]

yes ofc

u can see the recipes for themselves in my repo

[maiden ridge]

Oh this iso includes tests and fastfetch

But I think it's minimal in size

So it's around 150mb

[surreal path]

yea damn

bros recipes are not cooked

[maiden ridge]

Ngl some of my tests are funny

[surreal path]

hi

[maiden ridge]

hi

[surreal path]

most ever

[maiden ridge]

Idk why cpuinfo is in here

But I didn't know where else to throw it in

So tests

[surreal path]

why are u a hammer tho

[maiden ridge]

dunno

Why are you an emo anime character

[surreal path]

ok bro

😭 💀

[maiden ridge]

[surreal path]

[ebon needle]

hi

[maiden ridge]

extract your ramdisk and see what files are the largest

At some point I had pkgs inside pkgs by accident

Which doubled the ramdisk size

[edgy pilot]

literally nyaux

[surreal path]

ok bro

[elder shoal]

hey emo boy

hey hey

hey emo boy

[surreal path]

nah 🙏 😭

[ebon needle]

https://tenor.com/view/running-ahh-aa-spongebob-meme-gif-19928154

[edgy pilot]

compare that to your pic

[maiden ridge]

ok bro

[surreal path]

wait with du, how do i sort it from highest mb to lowest

[maiden ridge]

Wait it's John Astral

[mossy belfry]

most serious osdev thread

[edgy pilot]

sort

[mossy belfry]

du -m | sort -nr

[elder shoal]

yes its mathewnd astral

[maiden ridge]

the sort command

[maiden ridge]

Oh mi god

[mossy belfry]

what does zg mean

[surreal path]

okk

[maiden ridge]

zig

[mossy belfry]

real

[mossy belfry]

anime server

[edgy pilot]

sort -h

[maiden ridge]

Ah wait that explains why

[mossy belfry]

ur not beating the depressed emo anime boy allegations nyaux

[surreal path]

insane

[surreal path]

wdym?

[surreal path]

[maiden ridge]

The include headers

[surreal path]

whats wrong with them

[maiden ridge]

did you at some point

Try to get gcc running or something?

[surreal path]

yea gcc runs on nyaux

[maiden ridge]

Ah that is it

[bleak cedar]

ur not beating the AI made pull request alligations

[surreal path]

???

how

[mossy belfry]

i dont make pull requests

[maiden ridge]

The headers and libraries add to the size

[surreal path]

right

[maiden ridge]

So your recipes aren't cooked

[bleak cedar]

https://github.com/rayanmargham/NyauxKC/pull/10

[edgy pilot]

you are cooked

[surreal path]

is it fine for it to be 400MB tho???

[mossy belfry]

👆 🤣 bro thinks i'm a productive member of society

[mossy belfry]

oh

i failed at that

[maiden ridge]

With those gcc headers and what not yes

[surreal path]

yea bro did NOT spend any time making that pr 😭 🙏

[surreal path]

right

makes sense

[mossy belfry]

codebase was too scawy

too frightening

[surreal path]

lmao

[bleak cedar]

too based

[surreal path]

L

[mossy belfry]

i said 'jeepers creepers'

[maiden ridge]

Did you get nano running?

[surreal path]

yes

[bleak cedar]

if nobody can copy ur code, nobody can copyright infringe your code

[surreal path]

nano runs perfectly ™️ on nyaux

after some ncurse funnies

[maiden ridge]

Tried writing code under Nyaux?

[elder shoal]

if the boot time from loading the ramdisk starts bothering you just start writing a disk driver and ext2

[surreal path]

no as im missing some syscalls to do some shit

[elder shoal]

ideally with a page cache or smth

[surreal path]

like create files lol

page cache still cooked my brain

do NOT understand how it works

[maiden ridge]

I have to do this

[surreal path]

its limine that takes the most time

to load the initramfs

™️

[maiden ridge]

I have like

[surreal path]

nyaux just unpacks it into ram

[maiden ridge]

2 copies of the pkgs folder

[edgy pilot]

compress it and extract in your kernel

[surreal path]

that isnt limine's fault tho i boot with bios

[surreal path]

insane

[edgy pilot]

no

[surreal path]

yes

[elder shoal]

I dont remember the last time I tested astral using an initrd ouside of real hardware it is a blessing how fast it is

[edgy pilot]

ok bro

[elder shoal]

actually scrap that I dont remember the last time I tested astral 💀

[surreal path]

yea give me some docs for some decompression algos

then we talk and ball

[edgy pilot]

find some library

it's not that hard

[maiden ridge]

tinf

Or whatever

Did you abuse Nyaux yet

[elder shoal]

you have gcc right

compile gcc inside nyaux

best torture test

[mossy belfry]

"We have gentoo at home"

[surreal path]

wym?

[brisk zenith]

one torture test I like is fork bomb

[surreal path]

ah hell nahhh

[ebon needle]

why astral is died

[edgy pilot]

[surreal path]

nahh thats insane

[maiden ridge]

ACTUALLY I HAVE TO TRY THAT

I tried building Polaris under Polaris and it worked

[surreal path]

??

[elder shoal]

no time and usually too tired to do it

[maiden ridge]

Idk spawn like 49478493 threads doing bullshit

[surreal path]

insane

[elder shoal]

I was gonna do it this weekend but more important stuff appeared

[maiden ridge]

Or continuously call syscalls like fork and execve

[surreal path]

mathew is too busy being a furry and being gay ™️ (not my words)

[elder shoal]

pretty much that

[maiden ridge]

Yeah what happened to Astral

Oh personal life

Alright understandable

[surreal path]

factorio cancer caught up with mathew too

i can see why cause i just started it

[elder shoal]

I have to juggle time between work, uni, my personal stuff and my bf

[edgy pilot]

wtf is this ui 😭

[surreal path]

holy shit beautiful

[maiden ridge]

ROBLOS

[surreal path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWT_oMMmc8k

[maiden ridge]

What are you doing with Nyaux now

[edgy pilot]

beautiful wasn't the first word that came into my mind

[surreal path]

input shit soon

[maiden ridge]

Like what do you plan to implement/fix next

Implement pipes no

[surreal path]

pipes soon too

[maiden ridge]

And ptys

[surreal path]

input tho first

[maiden ridge]

Drop the kernel console

[surreal path]

yea that

too

[elder shoal]

wait do you not have pipes already

[surreal path]

no lol

[elder shoal]

damn

[edgy pilot]

damn

[surreal path]

damn

[ebon needle]

hi

[maiden ridge]

damn

[surreal path]

this video screams 2018 humor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msV582x7gXU

[worldly condor]

LGBT server

not beating the allegations

[surreal path]

its not an LGBT server 😭

[worldly condor]

why does it have the progress pride flag then?

[surreal path]

no idea

pride mo nth lol

[maiden ridge]

IS THAT SOUNDDROUT

[surreal path]

insane

[maiden ridge]

Whatever the fuck was the name of that dude

[surreal path]

yes

[maiden ridge]

LMAO 😭

The last time I saw that dude was 2021

[surreal path]

also mathew, get back to cooking in ultrakill

😡

[surreal path]

same

i forgot im in that server

[maiden ridge]

Nah sometimes you join gay servers to find potential devs /s

Call that talent hunting /s

[worldly condor]

oh right, I forgot

[maiden ridge]

Happy gay

[worldly condor]

so you're not beating the being woke allegations /s

[maiden ridge]

Wtf Nyaux woke?!?!

[elder shoal]

nope gotta get ready cuz gonna see bf later

[surreal path]

you gonna kiss??? ha gay!!! /j

[maiden ridge]

Barbecue Bacon Burger

[surreal path]

Barbecue bacon burger

[elder shoal]

ok mr in gay server

[surreal path]

[ebon needle]

date with me

[bleak cedar]

as if you aren't in
Closeted Transfem Hangout

[maiden ridge]

WHAT

[surreal path]

im not

thats a joke

[worldly condor]

wait, Nyaux is in a server called "Closeted Transfem Hangout"!?

why are you outing him like that

[surreal path]

im not

[worldly condor]

in public

[surreal path]

bro

[bleak cedar]

I meant Fluggy

why are YOU feeling spoken to?

[surreal path]

😭 😭

the allegations are crazy

[worldly condor]

WHAT!?

that's not true

and if it were true

it would be unethical to out me like that

[maiden ridge]

True

[surreal path]

im shedding hair all over the bed like a kitty

insane

[maiden ridge]

Brother that's called hair loss

[surreal path]

my hair long af tho

how

[bleak cedar]

if

[maiden ridge]

:.|:;

[worldly condor]

it's not true

[surreal path]

i cannot decripher what the hammer guy wants to say

i think bros speaking hammer

[maiden ridge]

It's loss

[surreal path]

crazy

[maiden ridge]

Nyaux xorg port when

[surreal path]

when i get sockets

[maiden ridge]

Damn

Final destination ass

[bleak cedar]

:.|:·͟

[mossy belfry]

lgbt server

[bleak cedar]

almost

[bleak cedar]

yooo I did it

[worldly condor]

nah

CGA color palette

[molten grotto]

bluetooth on nyaux when

[surreal path]

when i get network card drivers

[surreal path]

qwinci become a crossant when

[mossy belfry]

still no block device drivers

[surreal path]

https://tenor.com/view/croissant-gif-11702625985157211893

qui qui qui

[surreal path]

[mossy belfry]

theyre not hard dont worry

[surreal path]

do u have NVMe

[mossy belfry]

yea

[surreal path]

damn

insane

[molten grotto]

💀

[surreal path]

i saw that

[mossy belfry]

i dont have virtio because i am a Certfied Bum so i never felt like doing it

so no opinion on virtio

[surreal path]

we know you are a walking talking corssant

[mossy belfry]

fr*nch ppl....

[surreal path]

"people"

[maiden ridge]

Bonjour

[mossy belfry]

Shocked

jumpscare!!!

censor this fr*nchness

[surreal path]

oki i go nap now then we cook with ps2

[mossy belfry]

playstation 3 support when

[maiden ridge]

IBM Power support when

[bleak cedar]

̶:̶.̶|̶:̶·̶̶͟

[bleak cedar]

even better

[maiden ridge]

No

[surreal path]

hold on before i nap

i gotta show yall mmy epic factorio base

[molten grotto]

there are really 2 options for bt, either over usb for which you need an usb hci driver or alternatively on eg. my phone it is bluetooth over SDIO (which means that you need an sd card driver)

[surreal path]

damn

[molten grotto]

I have been slowly working on that on crescent for the past few days, would be cool being able to play audio to bt speakerr or headphones from my phone running crescent

[surreal path]

would be baller

im too good

look at this pro gamer base

[daring juniper]

nice!

[bleak cedar]

#gaming

[surreal path]

is my thread

[bleak cedar]

I meant, more exposure

[surreal path]

right

[worldly condor]

still should be on-topic

[surreal path]

i mean

yea but

again i say a lot of off topic things in my thread either way

[surreal path]

i woke up

[frigid cliff]

Gm

[surreal path]

not really morning

but

good morning

lol

[bleak cedar]

nyaux far goal:
getting Factorio to run

here

now it's on-topic

[surreal path]

^^

[frigid cliff]

Good time awakening

[surreal path]

real

reason i havent done anything today for nyaux is the same reason as monkuous

its TOO fucking hot

[surreal path]

maybe i can do something small for nyaux for now

like make a python script to automatically attach to qemu and load shit

makes things easier then manually typing in those commands

[surreal path]

how to get dynamic loading working into the kernel actually

[mossy belfry]

is it hot because of you 💥

[mossy belfry]

maybe clean up the source tree

perhaps

[surreal path]

did bro try to rizz me up

[surreal path]

how so

[mossy belfry]

you are still storing the cache files 💥

[surreal path]

ill fix that

[mossy belfry]

like we don't need allat ykwim

thank 👍

[surreal path]

@brisk zenith hows the heat today

[surreal path]

im suspecting not good

[tender gorge]

its warm even here

so likely

[flat nymph]

wait, where do they live?

[surreal path]

netherlands

[supple robin]

all goated people are dutch

[ebon needle]

why did you call all the dutch people goats 💀

🐐

[surreal path]

insane

[mossy belfry]

i like how this place is more off topic than #lounge-0

average day in osdev server

[surreal path]

uhh not rlly

[mossy belfry]

sometimz tho

[ebon needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1367943440456749128/1383878876589068298/c4a9e1d9-643d-4af7-8a68-cfc1d9221e8c.gif

[broken depot]

2025 year of the Nyaux desktop

[surreal path]

real

[ebon needle]

how to upload gifs to tenor

[surreal path]

you lit just did

[ebon needle]

its attachment

[surreal path]

tenor.comhttps://tenor.com/

press create

[brisk zenith]

it was manageable today actually but I ended up being Extremely Busy

hoping I'll have time tomorrow

[surreal path]

that is understandable

[surreal path]

all good dude, take ur time

[surreal path]

im not rlly doing much for nyaux today as i said i wouldnt be doing anything today but i decided i will do something small

[mossy belfry]

a fun little thing you can do is spice up ur github repo itself

maybe make the readme more interesting

write a style guide

make it look cooler

[surreal path]

good point

[mossy belfry]

yes 👍 try it out if u want

[surreal path]

tell me how to get rid of kernel/.cache

first

[mossy belfry]

git rm kernel/.cache && git commit -m "removed kernel/.cache" && git push

it's that shrimple

[cinder plinth]

add to gitignore too

[mossy belfry]

ya

[surreal path]

done

[mossy belfry]

💥

[mossy belfry]

do you plan to add to the readme now

maybe a roadmap

[surreal path]

sure

[mossy belfry]

or an overview or whatever

[surreal path]

mhm sure

[mossy belfry]

awesome sauce 😀

[cinder plinth]

write multiple pages on the design and implementation of nyaux

[surreal path]

bru

[mossy belfry]

@surreal path what is ur commandline format

[surreal path]

option=value

[mossy belfry]

Shocked

the complexity is unparalleled!

neat

[mossy belfry]

i secretly had a scheduler this entire time 🤫

forking leads to children 💥

[surreal path]

cool

[ebon needle]

https://tenor.com/view/nyaux-sigma-gif-1084915535605261708

nyaux on tenor

[mossy belfry]

i like how it's misspelled

new york ax register

[ebon needle]

https://txnor.com/view/nyaux-sigma-gif-1084915535605261708

[mossy belfry]

they brought sed to discord 💥

[surreal path]

crazy

[surreal path]

how are you feeling today?

[brisk zenith]

still half asleep but other than that I'm fine

probably gonna be able to get to it later today

[surreal path]

right okay, you should probs get some rest lol

[surreal path]

epic !!

[surreal path]

hows today looking like

i just woke up btw

😭

[brisk zenith]

testing now

how do i trigger the issue?

[surreal path]

epicc

[surreal path]

spam calling doomgeneric until it does it

its very inconsisent so sometimes youll get in on the second time

[brisk zenith]

how do i exit doomgeneric

[surreal path]

sometimes the 15th

u can

just dont provide the arg

for doom.wad

[brisk zenith]

ah right

[mossy belfry]

very professional osdev

good luck guys

[brisk zenith]

i can't reproduce the issue

spamming doomgeneric just results in an oom panic

[surreal path]

try running with tcg

[brisk zenith]

this is on tcg

[surreal path]

kvm then

[brisk zenith]

which is probably not intended either (memory leak) but it doesn't seem like the right issue

[surreal path]

i think oom happens on tcg only

[surreal path]

its related i think

i can get it to reproduce on kvm but not tcg

[brisk zenith]

this is the issue right

[surreal path]

mhm

its very inconsisent which what error it is

[brisk zenith]

alr just making sure i'm not gonna be debugging something unrelated

[surreal path]

but its the same related issue

[brisk zenith]

@surreal path is remove_from_parent_process just meant to remove the process from the parent's child list, or is it also meant to additionally transfer the process's children to the parent?

i guess in general i'm confused on what data structure process_t->children is supposed to be

like is it a circular linked list? but then how do you represent a multi-level tree, since you don't have a separate node pointer?

[ebon needle]

Isn't it easier to put id of parent process to child process instead of having child process list in parent process ?

[surreal path]

yes

for the first thing

[surreal path]

its a circular linked list

sorry leo is helping me make nyaux use meson

[brisk zenith]

nah dw

[surreal path]

getting progress towards meson on nyaux

[surreal path]

any news?

[brisk zenith]

The page faults are gone now and instead I only get OOM panics even on KVM, but I'm not sure whether that means it's fixed or, if so, what exactly the issue was

Going to bed now and continuing tomorrow

[surreal path]

what did you do??

to fix the page faults??

[brisk zenith]

I literally have no idea which of the changes I made fixed them

[surreal path]

fair

maybe do a git diff

anyways u should go to sleep

[brisk zenith]

Yeah

[mossy belfry]

is monokuous just the resident contributor to small osdev projects

[kind root]

Nah they help nyaux because he's stuck

[surreal path]

(which is a lot as im very very stupid)

[surreal path]

i lost all my changes cause i didnt commit my meson shit

why am i suck a fucking useless piece of shit

i even lost all my cmdline shit

[mossy belfry]

do you have a btrfs subvolume backup

or no

[surreal path]

no

do u think im smart

im a retard

i lost EVERY fucking change related to the cmdline as well

not just th meson shit

i genuinely wanna do things to myself which i cannot say on this server as that would be TOS breaking (and for TOS reasons this is a joke)

[daring juniper]

😭

[surreal path]

i annoyed the living shit out of everyone today and i just made it even worse but losing all my fucking changes

[edgy pilot]

how did that happen?

unless you did rm -rf on .git it's probably recoverable

[surreal path]

i had done

git add .
git commit . -m "meson shit"
git switch master
git merge cmdline

thats the exact list of commands i had done

i.e. nuked my shit

[surreal path]

how

[hexed sluice]

hm

[edgy pilot]

idk switch to cmdline

I'm not a git expert

[hexed sluice]

do you have the hash of the commit you created called "meson shit"?

[surreal path]

no

[edgy pilot]

scroll up in the terminal

[surreal path]

terminal was cleared

[hexed sluice]

do git reflog, it should tell you

[surreal path]

2f3149a HEAD@{14}: commit: move to meson

found it

[hexed sluice]

sure

do git status, what does it say?

[surreal path]

[rayan@athena NyauxKC]$ git status
On branch cmdline
Untracked files:
(use "git add <file>..." to include in what will be committed)
kernel/subprojects/

nothing added to commit but untracked files present (use "git add" to track)

[hexed sluice]

if you want you can do git checkout 2f3149a and that should have your meson shit

[surreal path]

that fixed it

thanks

[hexed sluice]

well it's not a fix

you're on a detached head now

[surreal path]

it got my shit back

so its a fix-ish

[hexed sluice]

but you can cherry pick it into a branch if you want

you want it added onto master?

what is the state of master? what are the last commits?

[surreal path]

i cherry picked it onto branch cmdline

[hexed sluice]

alright

is cmdline ahead of master?

like

[surreal path]

yea

well no

there is some merge conflicts

[hexed sluice]

where

[surreal path]

[rayan@athena NyauxKC]$ git cherry-pick 2f3149a
Auto-merging build-support/limine.conf
CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in build-support/limine.conf
Auto-merging jinx-config
Auto-merging kernel/src/arch/x86_64/syscalls/syscall.c
CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in kernel/src/arch/x86_64/syscalls/syscall.c
Auto-merging kernel/src/cppglue/glue.hpp
CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in kernel/src/cppglue/glue.hpp
Auto-merging kernel/src/main.c
Auto-merging kernel/src/mem/pmm.c
Auto-merging kernel/src/timers/timer.cpp
Auto-merging kernel/src/timers/timer.hpp
CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in kernel/src/timers/timer.hpp
Auto-merging kernel/src/utils/basic.h
CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in kernel/src/utils/basic.h
CONFLICT (modify/delete): kernel/src/utils/cmdline.cpp deleted in HEAD and modified in 2f3149a (move to meson).  Version 2f3149a (move to meson) of kernel/src/utils/cmdline.cpp left in tree.
CONFLICT (modify/delete): kernel/src/utils/cmdline.hpp deleted in HEAD and modified in 2f3149a (move to meson).  Version 2f3149a (move to meson) of kernel/src/utils/cmdline.hpp left in tree.
error: could not apply 2f3149a... move to meson
hint: After resolving the conflicts, mark them with
hint: "git add/rm <pathspec>", then run
hint: "git cherry-pick --continue".
hint: You can instead skip this commit with "git cherry-pick --skip".
hint: To abort and get back to the state before "git cherry-pick",
hint: run "git cherry-pick --abort".
hint: Disable this message with "git config set advice.mergeConflict false"
[rayan@athena NyauxKC]$ git cherry-pick ^C3149a

i just wanna force it onto the branch

[hexed sluice]

ok so

do this

git cherry-pick --abort

then go to master with git checkout master

[surreal path]

mhm

[hexed sluice]

then cherry pick it there

[surreal path]

okay

yea that worked

[hexed sluice]

if there are conflicts just resolve them

[surreal path]

ill just delete the cmdline branch as that is useless now

[hexed sluice]

you said you lost your cmdline stuff

how is that?

[surreal path]

no its back

[hexed sluice]

in master?

[surreal path]

it was commited along with meson shit

yea

[hexed sluice]

oh it was a single commit?

[surreal path]

mhm

[hexed sluice]

alright then

please don't do things to yourself that cannot be stated due to ToS

[surreal path]

im just a little on edge today after a few things that happened ™️

ill try not to

thanks for the help <3

[hexed sluice]

np <3

[surreal path]

<3

[surreal path]

@brisk zenith when you discover the oom issue as well, please send a patch over <3

[ebon needle]

what issue

[surreal path]

running doomgeneric mutiple times has caused weird issues, oom issue also stems from it

[ebon needle]

wdym by multiple times

you exiting

[surreal path]

doomgeneric

[ebon needle]

and after opening ?

[surreal path]

run the command without providing the doom wad file

muti times

[ebon needle]

a

[surreal path]

anyways while we are waiting on monkuous to look into the funny painful issues ive been working on the cmdline line shit and now it successfully parses the shit, i can just load it into a funny array and im done

whats next for nyaux is ps2

@elder shoal worst nightmare

[ebon needle]

the hardest part is convert ps2 scancodes to tty input

[surreal path]

good point

i want to know how other hobby oses do it in a sane and proper way

astral especially, which @elder shoal can answer if he wants to when hes done being in his fur suit or wtv furries do

[ebon needle]

the last time i tested astral ps2 keyboard just dont wanted to work on my laptop

[surreal path]

that is not mathew's fault

more of the funny quriks with ps2 real hardware

@kind root give us ups2 already

okay thats 3 pings in one convo

whoops

[elder shoal]

I just convert the ps2 scancodes into a generic keycode, pass it into the keyboard interface and then that interface also replicates it into a "virtual" console keyboard which a thread sleeps on and passes it into the tty driver for the console

[surreal path]

where is the code for converting the keycodes and the keyboard interface?

also funny thing, nyaux does not have "sleeping threads" yet ™ reason for this is, its just kinda easier to spin and sched yield manually to execute other threads until your done "sleeping"

nyaux HAS the ability to sleep threads

i just

never tested it

nor do i plan to until required

[mossy belfry]

array

I can give u

[surreal path]

no thanks

[elder shoal]

https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral/tree/rewrite/kernel-src%2Fio%2Fconsole.c handles the framebuffer console i/o (handles generic keycode to ascii and then passes it to the line driver)
https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral/blob/rewrite/kernel-src/io/keyboard.c generic keyboard stuff

[surreal path]

cool

[mossy belfry]

unsigned char keyboard_map[128] = {
    '\0', '\e', '1',  '2',  '3',  '4',  '5',  '6',  '7',  '8',  '9',  '0',
    '-',  '=',  '\b', '\t', 'q',  'w',  'e',  'r',  't',  'y',  'u',  'i',
    'o',  'p',  '[',  ']',  '\n', '\0', 'a',  's',  'd',  'f',  'g',  'h',
    'j',  'k',  'l',  ';',  '\'', '`',  '\0', '\\', 'z',  'x',  'c',  'v',
    'b',  'n',  'm',  ',',  '.',  '/',  '\0', '*',  '\0', ' ',  '\0', '\0',
    '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '7',
    '8',  '9',  '-',  '4',  '5',  '6',  '+',  '1',  '2',  '3',  '0',  '.',
    '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0', '\0'};

it's that shrimple

huh wait what

[surreal path]

its just that, astral is more well tested and id rather look at its code as mathew has already gone through ps2 hell

nothing againist you or anything lol

i see astral uses a ring buffer, nice

[elder shoal]

Brother Ive gone to ps2 hell and Im still with lava to my neck

[surreal path]

fair

[mossy belfry]

PS2 is trivial you won't struggle with it

[surreal path]

thats not the issue

the issue is real hw quirks

[mossy belfry]

I did it like day 4 of osdev and later deleted most of it to do usb kb

oh ok

[ebon needle]

what is ring buffer

[mossy belfry]

you know like submission and completion queues

literally just that

[elder shoal]

I still need to do usb stuff one day

But that woild imply I work on astral which is a contradiction

[surreal path]

funny thing @ebon needle is ahead of astral in a way

he has xhci

[surreal path]

exactly

keep playing ultrakill, be gay, do furry things and uhh

idk

[mossy belfry]

when will we get web browser ported to nyaux and networking stack so you can message us from nyaux

[surreal path]

when we get a network stack

[mossy belfry]

doing that is Very Fun and Not Painful, trust

[elder shoal]

A crap tcp impl isnt that hard

[surreal path]

a good one is hard tho ™

udp is ez tho i think

from what i know from how oberrow got udp working

[ebon needle]

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-2341822946696656132

[surreal path]

im still super proud of you for somehow getting xhci

thats really fucking hard

good job

oh yeah random thought, ive been looking at the spec for igpus for intel

it would be funny if we implemented it in nyaux

or well tigerlake igpus

[ebon needle]

i got xhci for 14 days

[surreal path]

yea

thats still fuckin impressive

[elder shoal]

Udp in astral.is a few hundred

Tcp is a few.thousand

[mossy belfry]

hmmm I kinda want xhci since I wanna be able to make a usb installer

but also my thinkpad is ancient so maybe it won't be supported

it ok tho I started on xhci today thank for motivation

[elder shoal]

And my tcp impl has really bad tx

I did properish rx tho

[mossy belfry]

The Callisto Protocol

[brisk zenith]

Ofc, haven't really had much time to test today though

[surreal path]

all good dwdw

[brisk zenith]

From what I gathered yesterday I think the oom issue might be separate? I'm not entirely sure

[surreal path]

i see

[brisk zenith]

Like a separate issue that happens to be triggered by the same situation

[surreal path]

could it be related to the pmm in general?

considering its new code

relatively

[brisk zenith]

Maybe? I wouldn't rule it out but I don't think it's the most likely contender

In any case the page fault thing was caused by parent processes being freed before their children

[surreal path]

yes, did you figure out how you solved that or is that still a mystery lol

[brisk zenith]

Well yes but it's a bandaid fix that results in behavior that doesn't match what's specified by POSIX and the like

I made remove_process_from_parent add all the children to the parent's list

[surreal path]

yea that is wrong POSIX wise

[brisk zenith]

The issue with this is that you're supposed to make pid 1 adopt them

[surreal path]

i thought killing a process kills its children?

[elder shoal]

No

[surreal path]

oh

so does its children just go to pid 1???

in that case the fix is easy

just have the children for a process get put into pid 1

[surreal path]

how is the parent process being freed before its children tho?

[brisk zenith]

Well the parent exits before the child

And it seems like the existence of a child does not add to the parent ref count

[surreal path]

so the proper fix i suppose would be that a child process adds to a parents ref count

[brisk zenith]

Ehhh

The proper fix is process orphaning

[surreal path]

what would the proper fix be then

[brisk zenith]

Aka sending shit to pid 1

[surreal path]

process orphaning?

oh

so just send all children to pid 1

when a process is killed

[brisk zenith]

Implicit refs due to parent child relationships would fix the issue but it's not strictly correct

Or well I guess it would be depending on how your waitpid works

[surreal path]

okay so implicit refs + sending all parents children to pid 1

should fix it then

[brisk zenith]

Either of those would fix it, doing both is pointless

[surreal path]

why?

[brisk zenith]

Implicit refs would inherently ensure that the parent doesn't get freed before its children
Sending all children to pid 1 would ensure that the children have a different parent by the time the original gets freed

Either one is sufficient, no need to do both

[surreal path]

yea but if a process has a refcount

it should be increased by its children

that just makes sense

not really for the fix

but rather for it actually making sense

[brisk zenith]

Conceptually, sure, but is it convenient? I'd argue not, because not incrementing the ref count makes it so there's a clear point where you reparent the children: during free

If you do increase the ref count, you need to reparent the children at some earlier time, because it won't get freed until those children are gone

[surreal path]

right

then we'll just do the proper posix fix

let init deal with it

i wonder what init system nyaux will use

tbf

probs systemd

[cinder plinth]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

no

pls

[surreal path]

why

whats wrong with systemd

[cinder plinth]

it'll be a pain to port first of all

[surreal path]

menix has the recipes

its a good test of linux APIs nyaux needs

[cinder plinth]

yes but you lack the apis

[surreal path]

for now ™ i mean later on

[edgy pilot]

dw monkuous will port it to nyaux

[cinder plinth]

lol

[surreal path]

lol

ah yes

get monkuous to write my kernel

real

[cinder plinth]

@brisk zenith do you freelance

i will hire you

[surreal path]

😭

[brisk zenith]

Nah, can't be bothered to do all the tax shit

[cinder plinth]

(no i wont but come work on dufay)

I was kidding

[surreal path]

okay but seriously tho ill just steal menix recipes for systemd@magic kernel did when i have the APIs needed ™

[cinder plinth]

but come work on the superior kernel

rn its bad but eventually it'll be not mediocre I think

[surreal path]

insane

[elder shoal]

openrc

[cinder plinth]

openrc is cool

[surreal path]

is it hard to port?

[cinder plinth]

its the best in-between between something like runit and systemd

[surreal path]

what things do i lose if i dont use systemd

[cinder plinth]

aka it doesnt suck ass and is actually usable

runit isnt very user friendly but it's good

ok I kinda wanna install gentoo now

[surreal path]

ill just do systemd

[cinder plinth]

systemd is boring and will be a pain to port

[surreal path]

the recipes are already done

for menix

and it compiles

[cinder plinth]

it'll just make nyaux have to implement linux stuff

[surreal path]

and how is it boring?

[cinder plinth]

which sucks

[surreal path]

so? thats the point

[cinder plinth]

are you happy with implementing shitty interfaces to get systemd to run

[surreal path]

yes

[cinder plinth]

imo it's much cooler if you do your own thing and not just be "shitty linux clone #298392832"

you could port initware

it's systemd but runs on bsd

it's fadanoid's

[surreal path]

its cooler if nyaux was actually able to do things 99% of hobby kernels cannot do (excluding managarm), weston with fuckin minibrowser

[surreal path]

yea i saw

i might just make it configurable if you wanna roll what init system u'd like

somehow

which involves porting mutiple but

[cinder plinth]

there are a lot of things 99% of hobby kernels cannot do

[surreal path]

like what?

[cinder plinth]

swap and good memory management, actually good scheduling

[elder shoal]

I want to try my hand at porting openrc again, last time I tried I didnt go very far and got lazy

[surreal path]

swap soon

™

[cinder plinth]

heck, blocking locks in the kernel is something 95% of hobby kernels dont have

[elder shoal]

Reminds me I need to rewrite my scheduler

[elder shoal]

whay

What

[cinder plinth]

think about it

most hobby kernels dont even get to that point, or just straight up dont do them (like vinix)

[surreal path]

i have that tho not properly used yet, i.e. untested

see Mutexes/KMutex.c

[cinder plinth]

technically just running bash is like top 95%

[surreal path]

true

[surreal path]

also nyaux WILL get load balancing

[elder shoal]

Should do it, its a performance boost

[surreal path]

when i figure that out

[elder shoal]

Walk before you run

[surreal path]

im scared to test it

for some odd ball reason??

yk what fuck it we ball lets test it

[cinder plinth]

• page cache and dentry cache and stuff, tho recently that kinda stuff has progressed on this server

overall the average quality is higher than before

[surreal path]

page cache soon as that is required for mmaping tmpfs files

[elder shoal]

I still need to do a dentry cache

Shouldnt be too difficult I think

[elder shoal]

Honestly try to do mmap'd executables

[surreal path]

?

wdym

i dont have page cache

so thats not gonna work

[elder shoal]

Make one :P

Oops forgot to remove reply

[surreal path]

i am SUPER confused with how it works, so id rather put it off for later

[mossy belfry]

do you guys also sometimes all of a sudden discover bugs when you switch to -M q35 lol

[surreal path]

i should keep a todo list of things to be done with nyaux

[surreal path]

no because you should always boot with q35

☠️

[mossy belfry]

oops

i should do that too

[cinder plinth]

q35 shouldnt change much

[mossy belfry]

qemu's q35 ahci likes to lie about things btw, it will create a disk that doesnt actually have anything so make sure that you check its signature and verify that it is a valid one of an actual disk

[surreal path]

real hw does this all the time iirc

[mossy belfry]

i had a dumb bug where i didnt do that and a disk with 0xffffffff as its signature popped up and my driver tried to read it like it exists

yes

[cinder plinth]

@surreal path https://minbrowser.org/ is that what you want to run?

[surreal path]

mhm

[cinder plinth]

whats minibrowser

[surreal path]

webkit

[cinder plinth]

ahh

[surreal path]

not that browser

[cinder plinth]

yeah

I found it

minibrowser is a test browser

in the webkit repo

[elder shoal]

super basic page cache:
thread: Hi can I have page 10 of file 0xffff800012345678
pagecache: Hold on lemme check if I have it somewhere
pagecache: I do not, let me get a free page from free memory or if theres none then one from the page cache that is not being used
pagecache: now I will ask the filesystem to read a page from the file into the page
pagecache: here is the page with refcount 1
thread: Thank you I am now mapping it
thread: I am now unmapping it and no longer need it, it has refcount = 0
pagecache: I will have it back and leave it stored in case I will need it later for another operation

[cinder plinth]

and when refcnt = 0 put it on the "not being used list"?

[elder shoal]

Yeah

[surreal path]

interesting, ill come back to you with questions when i attempt to get a page cache working

wrong reply

meant for @elder shoal

[elder shoal]

I mean rustc knows how that stuff works too so

[surreal path]

guess both ways lol

[brisk zenith]

With this scheme it's also important to remember to handle the case where all available memory is used by the page cache (i.e. allocation requires eviction) and all page cache pages are mapped somewhere (i.e. all page cache pages have ref count >= 1)

Another possible scheme that isn't susceptible to this involves keeping track where the pages are mapped, preventing eviction during mapping (locking until the pte has been written, potentially through rcu) and unmapping a page everywhere upon eviction

[surreal path]

nyaux now parses command args just fine

pretty cool

[mossy belfry]

nyaux ci/cd has now officially been failing for one month straight

[surreal path]

ok

[mossy belfry]

nice

[ebon needle]

what happened with your pfp

[surreal path]

new one

[elder shoal]

from emo twink to twink robot

[surreal path]

okay bro 😭

[mossy belfry]

he's just a pretty boi :3 it's no problem

[daring juniper]

Ooh, new pfp

[ebon needle]

you should set jojo pfp

😡

[surreal path]

insane

[ebon needle]

why you play factorio 8 hours

[surreal path]

i was eeping with the game on

[edgy pilot]

rookie numbers

[surreal path]

hello chat

[ebon needle]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-studio-this-person-is-km-near-your-house-your-house-near-your-house-crash-gif-4625038108875421570

[elder shoal]

Thats just what that game does

[surreal path]

is that V1 for hit indie game ultrakil

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-v1-thumbs-up-thumbsup-funny-gif-9560067552549211441

[ebon needle]

i always thought what its cameramen

[surreal path]

fucking skibidi toilet ofc

[surreal path]

real

[ebon needle]

cameramen ded 😭

[surreal path]

if u mention skibidi toilet one more time

ur cooked

[ebon needle]

https://tenor.com/view/running-ahh-aa-spongebob-meme-gif-19928154

[elder shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/we-can-rebuild-him-ultra-kill-v2-gif-10973198257266821885

[surreal path]

didnt the dev of ultrakill say v2 is dead forever

lol

[tawdry mirage]

where is machine

[surreal path]

okay we ball implementing ps2

[kind root]

nyaux ups2

[surreal path]

real

[surreal path]

oh okay makes sense, how exactly would you handle that with that really basic page cache

also hi lol

[forest blaze]

yo great progress in yo kernel

[surreal path]

ive implemented a fix so any process killed gets it children sent to pid 1 but we are still fucking dying with the oom issue hopefully you get to that soon when ur able to

[kind root]

yess

[surreal path]

indeed

[kind root]

nyuax is cooking

[surreal path]

reall

[forest blaze]

"children killed" the average person seeing this:

[brisk zenith]

Detect the condition (accounting says we should be able to evict something, but the eviction list is empty) and unmap pages from processes until you the eviction list isn't empty anymore

[surreal path]

theres an eviction list?

[brisk zenith]

Eviction list = the list of pages with ref count 0

[surreal path]

currenetly pages arent exactly represented in nyaux with a ref count nor struct

[brisk zenith]

Which pages you unmap affects performance quite a bit, but for just making it work any non-anonymous page will work

[surreal path]

so im guessing im gonna need that

[brisk zenith]

Well yeah but you asked how you'd handle that with the really basic page cache scheme

Which does have ref counts

[surreal path]

fair

[surreal path]

also @brisk zenith did you discover anything related to the oom issue, i did some debugging on it yesterday but all i could kind was a tiny bug with the reaper thread (not including the heckin funny process children) but otherwise i didnt find the ooming issue

[brisk zenith]

Yeah I haven't found anything

[surreal path]

damn

its okay tho, it might turn up soon maybe i hope

i rlly dont know

weird ass issue

after i implement ps2 for nyaux and get doom input going ill try to investigate it myself more in depth

it could be doomgeneric itself leaking memory somehow considering no other program really does it

idk

[forest blaze]

why does EVERYONE need doom (i will do it tho)

[surreal path]

its a good test of your kernels shit

[forest blaze]

graphics at peak

[surreal path]

like your syscall interface, fbdev shit, keyboard input, allocation etc etc

[forest blaze]

run crysis

🙂

btw i can make my own syscalls or is there a norm

[surreal path]

sure lets just fuckin get @next sedge 's nvidia driver port going, implement drm and weston in one hour. somehow get steam running and probs systemd ah yes

one day implementation

ez

[forest blaze]

ahh yesrome WAS built in a day

[surreal path]

okay nvm even my laptop is overheating, might need to wait til 8pm as its too hot atm

usually where i live, 8pm it gets cooler enough

[forest blaze]

i have a 2011 thinkpad be lucky

[surreal path]

even this fuckin fan cannot keep up with ze heat

[forest blaze]

i have a fan disappeared in dust

[surreal path]

also considering it doesnt have a protective case over it im scared to run it on higher speeds do to the possiblity of it slicing my arm off ™

[forest blaze]

why no case

[surreal path]

cause its broken

[forest blaze]

same hee i hotglued it

my display has 360deg rotation

(one hinge disappeared one fine day)

[surreal path]

also hows ur day over there, heat treating you better?

[forest blaze]

its india

[surreal path]

what

[forest blaze]

and 10 pm

[surreal path]

monkuous is not from india

???

😭 ??

[brisk zenith]

Yeah it's been fine the past few days

[surreal path]

thats good to hear!

[forest blaze]

yay

[surreal path]

have you ever played factorio btw?

if so check out this fuckin banger shit

im getting better

im getting the funny green liquid

[forest blaze]

need it

but

[surreal path]

this is directed at you @brisk zenith

[forest blaze]

my HD 3000 will conk out

[brisk zenith]

Not much (550 hours)

[surreal path]

😭 average factorio player

i just started so

[forest blaze]

lol

[surreal path]

i got only 8 hours in

[brisk zenith]

Looks great

I honestly don't know how I have 550 hours in factorio without ever launching a rocket

[surreal path]

thanksss, its a little messy but shit is working, the only thing i hate is those fucking biters

[forest blaze]

time to gain more knowledge on the differences between FAT32 and a fish tank ig so yeah see ya

[brisk zenith]

Oh I usually just play with biters off

[surreal path]

honestly fair

[brisk zenith]

Or with pollution spreading off if I don't want to disable biter related achievements

[surreal path]

but i want the full factorio experience ™

[surreal path]

you probs have every achievement in the game

im assuming

[brisk zenith]

I actually don't

[tawdry mirage]

😭

[surreal path]

oh damn

[surreal path]

your fucking cooked

[brisk zenith]

I don't remember which ones I've never had given I've reset them a bunch of times but I know I've never had them all at once

[surreal path]

fair fair

[tawdry mirage]

i had all achievements pre 2.0 and now i'm missing 14

also i have 183h in my single space age save and i still haven't beaten it

welp ig now i'm playing factorio

[surreal path]

damn

[surreal path]

beat space age

[tawdry mirage]

nah first i need better bases on all the planets (another 300h)

[surreal path]

thats 300h?????????

damnn

[tawdry mirage]

i mean if i wanted to i could just do it today probably

i just need some research and to build a new ship

but i require more spm

i decided i will move all the base science production to vulcanus

[surreal path]

fair fair

[elder shoal]

Im playing the real factorio (gregtech nh

[surreal path]

i need to play gregtech ngl

it looks rlly fun

[tawdry mirage]

i have a monifactory save that i should maybe get back to sometime

although there's some big updates coming so i'm waiting

[surreal path]

interestinggg

alr 2 hours til we ball with ps2

[surreal path]

1 hour

[kind root]

ohhh damn based

what tier are u atm

[surreal path]

infy plays gregtech???

infy based???

[kind root]

i had the gtnh tag for like

multiple months

[surreal path]

i didnt realize lol

[kind root]

bruh

do u play also?

[surreal path]

i want to

i havent yet

i played a little ME and that other mod

i cant remember whats its called

but i played it a little as a kid

i remember shrinking a chunk into a me card thingy

and going inside it

coolest shit ever

idk if you know what that mod was @kind root

it has a bunch of connectors

i also played opencomputers 2

based mod

[kind root]

AE2?

[surreal path]

yea that

fun as balls

[kind root]

its basically the backbone of mid-late game gtnh

[surreal path]

oh damn really??/

[kind root]

no other way to get billions of resources with multiblock spam

[surreal path]

damn

[kind root]

and gtnh is basically microcrafting shit

without ae2 its really really painful

[surreal path]

minecraft factorio

[kind root]

so up to the HV tier u constantly microcraft

or EV even

[kind root]

its way way worse

[surreal path]

oh yeah i checked the leatherboard

[kind root]

in factorio u put one generator and that can feed tons of machines forever

[surreal path]

didnt realize you updated it

baller

[tawdry mirage]

just bulk craft 10 stacks of motors 4head

[kind root]

ye

[surreal path]

you cant do that in gregtech???

automation my beloved

[kind root]

real

[kind root]

electricity is way more painful in greg

[surreal path]

damn

[mossy belfry]

balatro ref

[elder shoal]

We just made it to the steam age, me my bf and a friend started playing a few days ago

[kind root]

ah

gl

[kind root]

lol

[surreal path]

ok we ball

mb got distracted playing factorio

that thing is a time stealer

[surreal path]

real

typo pid 0

@brisk zenith if ur still here, can i have the patches you did around waitpid

if you did any

[brisk zenith]

Didn't do any

[surreal path]

right

im trying to get the proper fix working

it is trlling me

waitpid is hanging somewhere

time to add more prints

okay so

the way i do process->children is kinda wrong

reason being

say we have process x

process xs children is this
process |
proc 2 <|

but what if a process has MUTIPLE children

this is not supported in nyaux

process x with muti children, what nyaux does when it encounters this

process x
process |
proc 2 <|
proc 3 <|

this is wrong