Astral

[neon crane]

man and gram

[pure thunder]

womanagarm

[native pollen]

kilogram

[hearty fulcrum]

managramme

[native pollen]

electroencephalogram

[pure thunder]

alakazam

[brazen minnow]

managarararam

[native pollen]

midazolam

[tall bluff]

managerarm

[flint condor]

I keep reading it as mammogram

[brazen minnow]

tbh this is one of the most impressive os projects just behind managarm

[prime mulch]

mintia has fallen so behind

[hearty fulcrum]

it's over

[flint condor]

it's so joever?

[grand shadow]

joewarida

[grand shadow]

I'm gonna be working on a generic posix psutils

since that is one of my goals for astral + zinnia is going to use it because sysctl and no /proc linux brainrot

[opal lotus]

W

[grand shadow]

my ragebait shitpost might reach my wine post I am cryin

[mild sentinel]

Can it beat ShrekOS though

[grand shadow]

nothing beats shrekos

[mild sentinel]

I think you can

You just have to believe

[willow rapids]

feh shrek.png

there ya go

[grand shadow]

@opal lotus larp larp larp sahur

that stime a bit fucked ☠️

[grand shadow]

If I can get enough calc studied today I can probably get pgrep or pkill imppemented

Why do they make computer science students study calculus when our whole job is to ask ai to make reactslop smh

Actually no thats wrong

Our job is not to make reactslop its to be an uber driver

[opal lotus]

fr

[grand shadow]

U dont do cs lil bro

[grand shadow]

Are U doing sysctl KERN_PROC for zinnia process stuff

[opal lotus]

i did for a semester

but then covid happened

[opal lotus]

yes

[grand shadow]

lock in bro get me the triple integral of your mother

[grand shadow]

Should be pretty simple to add it to the psutils code

[opal lotus]

1

nice

[grand shadow]

Literally just ctrl c ctrl v astrals ans change constants

☠️

[opal lotus]

[wild marsh]

just run c2rust on astral to make zinnia

[opal lotus]

or mrustc to make astral from zinnia

[grand shadow]

Claude, rewrite astral in rust make no mistakes

[grand shadow]

Czapek did this once and claude just said I aint doing allat

[mild sentinel]

How much was Claude pushed into doing it btw? I'm sure there is some way to make it try

It did do it for other large projects before

[grand shadow]

I think he didnt push it

[mild sentinel]

Well gotta whip the clanker some more then

C'mon rewrite this shit into rust

[opal lotus]

This sounds like a multi-week task — I apologize for the trouble

[grand shadow]

Its just claude being bad

Codex wouldve been like "yes sir I will rewrite this into rust AND zig"

Mint isnt even here for me to be throwing anticlaude rage bait like this

🥀

[gritty shore]

Calculus is the backbone of AI

[grand shadow]

Nuh uh AI is just water + electricity + gpus

[gritty shore]

What kinda calculus are you doing

[grand shadow]

We had multivariable calc this semester and to finish it off we are doing series

[gritty shore]

Ah we did series before

multivariable calc is fun tho

[grand shadow]

Yeah it was cool

[grand shadow]

Yeah the website Ive been using to help me study has it as calc 2 while multivariable is calc 3

[gritty shore]

Yeah that's closer to what we did

Calc 1 was derivatives, calc 2 integrals and series, calc 3 multivariable calculus

[grand shadow]

Damn you have an entire calc class for derivatives?

We had just one that had derivatives, integrals and some analytical geometry stuff

[gritty shore]

Well, it was limits and derivatives I guess

And optimization problems using those

So kinda like an intro to calc

[wild marsh]

i had a single course that covered derivatives, integrals, infinite series, ordinary diff equations

during the first semester

[grand shadow]

Ah that makes more sense

[grand shadow]

Damn

I am thinking of taking the diffeq class but its an elective for cs but I know I dont commit to studying until like a few days before the exam so I dont want to suffer more

[grand shadow]

Ngl I am thinking of trying to learn ML during winter break next month just so I dont forget calc 3 stuff

[wild marsh]

the only thing i remember from the diff eq part is characteristic equations and corn

(corn - całka ogólna równania niejednorodnego - general solution of a nonhomogeneous equation)

[gritty shore]

Making a MLP from scratch that can train on MNIST is pretty easy and really educational

I'd try making an LLM from scratch if you didn't need a gazillion dollars to train one

[grand shadow]

Just buy a h200 5head

[opal lotus]

make claude 2

[grand shadow]

Get vc money say you are making novel llms

[grand shadow]

Maybe a really dumb one can be trained on a consumer gpu

[mild sentinel]

I had a friend who got like a few discord servers worth of messages

They trained an LLM with it on a few GPUs

It was dumb

Not even dumb

But like

Moronic even

[grand shadow]

Gonna download my message history over my two accounts and make mathewndLLM

[mild sentinel]

I hope it's like

More than 3 million messages

[grand shadow]

Considering I have been on this god forsaken platform for over 10 years

[mild sentinel]

Damn

Maybe there is a chance

[marsh sparrow]

well, you can train a shitty LLM for $100 as nanochat shows

shitty = GPT 2 level

[gritty shore]

On what does that run?

That's karpathy's thing right?

[marsh sparrow]

yeah

i think it can be trained for $<100 on AWS instances

i haven't tried it myself

[gritty shore]

That's still expensive if you mess something up

[opal lotus]

anything aws is

[hearty fulcrum]

amazon got to him

[marsh sparrow]

well ig you don't train on the full training set for small changes

you can see how the loss behaves etc even w/o doing that

[native pollen]

we have an entire calc class for partial derivatives only

[grand shadow]

bro what the fuck

[viscid flame]

lmao

[formal patio]

did anything happen at that point in time

[hearty fulcrum]

bots

someone's training claude 5

[grand shadow]

I genuinely have no idea every other metric is fine its just clones that completely skyrocketed

Maybe some random ahh guy just had git clone on a loop

[formal patio]

[grand shadow]

Trvth

[willow rapids]

clankers

probs

[grand shadow]

@opal lotus soon

[opal lotus]

huge

[grand shadow]

I'm gonna be able to have my screensavers back

[quartz granite]

u added signals?

[grand shadow]

I have had signals for years

[quartz granite]

What did you add then

sndiod

[grand shadow]

had that for a month

I added ps/pkill/pgrep

[quartz granite]

awesome

What's next?

[grand shadow]

xscreensaver

[bronze nexus]

Mat outdoing himself as always

[quartz granite]

Cool

Good luck

[grand shadow]

maybe I also port a file manager/editor/whatever to finish the nscde look

maybe even port xdm or smth

nscde also works under non-root which is nice

idling also works for the screensavers

so yay astral now has screensaver support

lmao I got one telling me to install a perl package

☠️

[opal lotus]

💀

[grand shadow]

billions must compile webkit on a shitty 10 dollar vps

[grand shadow]

was in ze fucken

startx just works now

maybe it was that one socket backlog bug

yeah it just works

time to migrate my fucked up scripts to just be a wrapper around startx xddddddd

[grand shadow]

Sir, another ai slop pr has hit the astral

[fleet osprey]

oh dear

wtf is it doing

[prime mulch]

tell tell tell me about it

teeellll me about it

tellll me all l abou it

tell me about it..............

[grand shadow]

https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral/pull/32

Like WTF

[fleet osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-no-way-shocked-surprised-omg-gif-16935646637611070933

I got one of those too

from the same user

[prime mulch]

robophobic

fuck you hoe

[fleet osprey]

on https://discord.com/channels/440442961147199490/1421414518034006066

https://github.com/Wii-Linux/NPLL/pull/2

[grand shadow]

How am I homophobic? I have many ai friends

[prime mulch]

mathew the fucking biych

[opal lotus]

cvnt

[hearty fulcrum]

name one

[native pollen]

Clanker is a robophobic slur

[mild sentinel]

CLANKER

[hearty fulcrum]

clanker

[gritty shore]

Can you guys stop, please, they have feelings like us...

[brazen minnow]

no

tbh i use ai all the time

but the useless ones like those yt spam bots those pmo so much

[mild sentinel]

Says the literal clanker from star wars

Oh wait

[gritty shore]

It's jar jar

[mild sentinel]

Fuck

Ykw close enough

[acoustic peak]

the fuck is this on the gh

[mild sentinel]

its a clanker

[opal lotus]

ai

[acoustic peak]

oh really i couldnt tell

[acoustic peak]

im more confused on why its looking for vulns in prof.py 😭

[mild sentinel]

because AI is dumb?

[acoustic peak]

[hearty stratus]

"if the download is compromised"

[warped plinth]

honestly quite close...

everyday i'm closer to daily driving astral

[analog berry]

accelerate it by contributing patches

[grand shadow]

realistically all thats left is speed and stability

[grand shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-meme-i-just-made-some-bullshit-gif-15690632352507439130

I am unsure if I am going to keep xfm as a 90s larp thing though

I think I will switch it for xfile

[prime mulch]

would you ever consider making your own window system and userspace

[willow rapids]

Math11 protocol

[grand shadow]

Probably not

[acoustic peak]

It's pretty fun if you know what youre doing and can actually style it the way you want, but also makes all Xorg programs not work anymore

Though with tools like xbanan I guess that's becoming less of a problem

[opal lotus]

where network card

[willow rapids]

when ibm 8514/a accelerator driver 😔

[grand shadow]

Patch cheap etc

I have an rtl8169 driver

[opal lotus]

etc etc

[mild sentinel]

what about a driver for my plumbus?

[tulip zinc]

everyone has a plumbus why would there not be a driver for the plumbus

[grand shadow]

@prime juniper

lmao the screensaver starts automatically now

also wtf why did I type neofetch there and not fastfetch

brainrot

[somber wraith]

🍌

[acoustic peak]

❌🍌

[prime juniper]

Banger

[viscid flame]

did u stole wallpaper from budgie

[willow rapids]

real gaming

[grand shadow]

It came with nscde

[grand shadow]

I should figure out why unity games don't work on astral

and also finish ricing nscde

and port xfile instead of xfm

[marsh sparrow]

on wine?

[grand shadow]

Yeah

They seem to get stuck on mono bullshit

Or well, did

I havent tested in months and have done a lot of bugfixing since then

[analog berry]

Does c# work?

[grand shadow]

No idea

[analog berry]

Maybe start with that lol

[grand shadow]

Probably lmao

It would be fun to play unity games in astral but any unity game would probably run at like seconds per frame if the performance of non unity is anything to compare to

☠️

I dont remember if I ever profiled wine

[marsh sparrow]

you could try to get nvidia hw accel working

[analog berry]

Yeah tbh that probably relies more on hw accel than older games

[grand shadow]

Thatd be a fun project to look into but I would need to implement drm and I know exactly 0 about drm atm

[robust geyser]

you also knew nothing about usb and sound stacks yet u did both easily

[formal patio]

it's the spirit of osdev

[grand shadow]

Calc exam done, astraling shall resume soon with a brief pause for another exam

[analog berry]

Ah fuck I read that as astral shell and was hoping for a kernel shell impl

[prime mulch]

ass trolling

sorry

[grand shadow]

All code will now be run in ring 0 thank you very much

[prime mulch]

Does astral have a built in kernel debigger

[brazen minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/doggie-geometry-dash-acheron-rage-keyboard-gif-239704581383159900

[opal lotus]

without drm?

[analog berry]

Wdym didnt Terry Davis do it

And he was smart

And wrote the greatest os

[grand shadow]

Nah

[prime mulch]

can i work on astral and implement every planned feature for my kernel in astral kernel instead

[analog berry]

Yes

Do it

[grand shadow]

PRs always open

[ocean sedge]

Astral on AMD Ryzen 7530U laptop

-# had to enable autologin in getty due to a weird bug in login

[marsh sparrow]

adding drm support is comparatively easy

[acoustic peak]

yo merge me 😔

[grand shadow]

soon™ I am out rn

[grand shadow]

stop being so dramatic I stg

kernel be damned I should rice this to high hell

[flint condor]

DISASTER!!!

he really hates two things:

• running as root
• windows

[grand shadow]

I can't believe I am going to say this but in order to make astral look even more retroey I am going to need to...... port qt6??

https://tenor.com/view/fake-larp-larp-larp-sahur-sahur-larp-larping-gif-18307483096237429166

thankfully at least according to blfs I should already have most of the bullshbit needed

[willow rapids]

at that rate port full kde plasma and apply a windows 7 theme or smth

[grand shadow]

to not vaguepost: the nscde theme generation python script depends on pyqt4/pyqt5 being installed, but I am pretty sure that I can get away with pyqt6

and the theme generation is what makes gtk3 apps/etc look retroey

[willow rapids]

ah

[grand shadow]

after porting gtk3 I should have almost all of the deps for a qt6 port so

[opal lotus]

[grand shadow]

I wish bro I wish

when I got all the dependencies for webkit ported I genuinely had a headache from how mind numbing it was

found a nscde cross compilation bug but the upstream repo seems to be dead for a few years

funny

[grand shadow]

I look like this and I say this

what the fuck

[acoustic peak]

it has to install 94 times 😔

[carmine swallow]

what is that

[acoustic peak]

qt6

[carmine swallow]

I kinda doubt that it'd take 47gb tbh considering that I can build qt6 fine using 48gb of ram + tmpfs for the build dir (with no swap), looks like the build dir for qtbase on my gentoo is 244mb

[acoustic peak]

its estimating with all optionals included, qt6 itself is only 502mb

[opal lotus]

oh yeah

i did a du on my repo dir

152GB

💀

[grand shadow]

trillions must pyqt6

I love porting software but I would never ever ever do it myself

[brazen minnow]

why

[grand shadow]

tonight in: python packaging is kanker

[grand shadow]

nscde gtk pixmap generation for themeing depends on pyqt4/5 apis for some reason

but qt4 and qt5 are aids to port

so I will liekly have to patch it to use qt6

[grand shadow]

python bindings take longer to compile than the fucking library itself award

[grand shadow]

oh my GOD

[viscid flame]

no

[grand shadow]

TONIGHT WE LARP IN HELL

gtk3 theme generation is now working

at last

the xscreensaver thing finally looks right too

its just a giant gtk app 😭

[grand shadow]

Might port a dm later

For keeping up the larp it will either be xdm or something that I can use to larp xdm

[grand shadow]

😭 @acoustic peak

though tbf I am likely much much farteher away from the server than u are

idk where u are from

[flint condor]

what TCP stack is it

[grand shadow]

my own

[flint condor]

it's not slow

[sharp carbon]

if you're trying to test your TCP stack performance you should probably only be doing LAN stuff

[acoustic peak]

😭

im in the US

[opal lotus]

okay YIKES

💀 i shouldn't have said anything

[acoustic peak]

yikes

💀

[opal lotus]

this is over a real nic

this could be anything though

[acoustic peak]

If it makes you guys feel better my E1000 process is using 300% CPU time since I fucked itu p

[willow rapids]

how does it use 300% cpu time

how many threads does it have

[acoustic peak]

5 cores

[willow rapids]

oh

lmao

[acoustic peak]

yeah the server is located in Washington DC so wouldn't be surprised about conn issues

[flint condor]

might want to check this bit

https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral/blob/rewrite/kernel-src/io/net/tcp.c#L1760-L1768

[acoustic peak]

looks fine to me

[grand shadow]

Oh whoops

[flint condor]

you check that tcbsocket->tcb is null and if it is you goto cleanup, but immediately after cleanup label you deref the null

[acoustic peak]

whats wrong with it

oh that's it

i was focused on the ringbuffer part

[grand shadow]

Also lmao I am on another continent

xdm might be too limited but dtlogin brings in the fill cde stuff

I have no mouth and I must scream

[acoustic peak]

@opal lotus try this one, its closer https://fsn1-speed.hetzner.com/

[opal lotus]

1 sec

[sharp carbon]

or the de ones

[opal lotus]

fsn is de

fixed

(yes my internet is slow)

[acoustic peak]

whats host speed

[opal lotus]

100Mbit

[acoustic peak]

ok not bad

[opal lotus]

let me curl from my lan

[acoustic peak]

yeah ethereal lags behind my host, it averages 8-10Mbps while my host hits around 60 Mbps

[opal lotus]

my host does 12MB/s

let me python webserve

[sharp carbon]

ah I confused it with the Finland one

[opal lotus]

lol

this is pulling with a roundtrip from my other pc over my router back into my pc on linux

[hearty fulcrum]

what was the issue

[acoustic peak]

i gave him a better server that was closer

for a fairer comparison

[opal lotus]

server that's actually close to me + i forgot to ACK and reopen the recv window for the peer

small detail

[acoustic peak]

oh yeah no wonder your speeds were so slow

[opal lotus]

[acoustic peak]

maybe add window size acks if you want, that boosted a ton of speed for me

[opal lotus]

yeah

[grand shadow]

it just works

[mild sentinel]

You gonna get an old UNIX server and make a sleeper server out of it?

And use astral on it?

Port something like nginx and run some infra off it and shit

[willow rapids]

i need this

[grand shadow]

it runs nscde under the astral user but still runs X under root, damn

[grand shadow]

If I had cash 😭

Im not marvin I dont get paid 10 tirllion euros a month to buy computers

[mild sentinel]

If you ever get money and find a cheap broken one

[mild sentinel]

Why not ask Marvin to buy it for you

[grand shadow]

Marvin already spent it all

[willow rapids]

i got a pentium 4 machine for 7 euros at my local flea market

[grand shadow]

He gets his paycheck and in 2 days its all in ebay orders

[willow rapids]

and it looks close enough to a server

[mild sentinel]

Hey Siri set a reminder for 2 days from now

[willow rapids]

oh wait but astral is x86-64

[mild sentinel]

That's why I said make a sleeper build

And slap a mini PC inside of a Unix workstation

[willow rapids]

oh yea right

[brazen minnow]

holy nice dude, i still didnt make the sys_clone syscall for bash

[blazing atlas]

installing fvwm on my main pc lmao

just for the fun of it

[opal lotus]

nah

[grand shadow]

its time to take the metaphorical L and add an xorg-server os-support astral implementation

so I don't have to use hacky shell wrapper scripts around X anymore

mostly for xf86OpenConsole and xf86CloseConsole

[grand shadow]

sysctl me this

[grand shadow]

okay this should satisfy having permission checks while allowing non root xorg

[grand shadow]

yeah that works

I guess all I gotta do is now change the behaviour of the console while its locked

also funny webkitgtk works rootless neat

[mild sentinel]

What do you think you will do with astral once you have it fully stable and other shit?

[grand shadow]

the sky is the limit

maybe 3d accel

that sounds fun

[mild sentinel]

You could join in on the AMD GPU thingy some people are working on

[grand shadow]

I know exactly 0 about writing gpu drivers

closest I've done is some opengl programming

☠️

[mild sentinel]

Well if you want 3d accel on real hardware that would probably be the best bet

I think somebody mentioned wanting to do it for RDNA2

[grand shadow]

I would probably try nvidia-open first since both my laptop and desktop have nvidia gpus

and lil if that ever gets support for that

[mild sentinel]

I think there were plans for that on lil

For like more flexible backend support or whatever

[grand shadow]

though nvidia-open seems to still need closed userland stuff

as it seems like, at least according to leo, the open userland stuff is completely broken with it?

[mild sentinel]

😭

If you do ever want to experience the hell of amdgpu do let me know

And if you have some ROM dumps of AMD cards they could be of use

[grand shadow]

I've never owned an amd gpu

its always been either integrated only or an nvidia gpu

my first desktop when I was a kid had a nvidia 9600 gt or whatever it was

[grand shadow]

console lock... ok

[grand shadow]

year of the astral desktop (real) ((its slow because I am running a gtnh server in the background 💀))

[grand shadow]

astral 4 years ago

[willow rapids]

in function dup library function fails to missing sysdep 💀

tbf, bentobox 4 years ago:

(wasn't a thing)

[opal lotus]

why wouldn't it

[opal lotus]

drm

[opal lotus]

libdl.so

[willow rapids]

seeing rtdl instead of rtld is so weird to me

feels like a typo i would make but nope

[marsh sparrow]

I think we're renamed it to rtld by now to match convention

[grand shadow]

Deadnaming rtld

[acoustic peak]

damn bash runs without dup?

[grand shadow]

bash is a really simple port

like, "can be speedrunned in a week" level

[acoustic peak]

yeah it is i didnt realize it could function so limited tho

[grand shadow]

xterm skips the first line of /etc/shells award

[viscid flame]

stop using ts

[grand shadow]

the larp must go on

[viscid flame]

just

port

st

[grand shadow]

suckless? more like sucksmore

[gritty shore]

port urxvt

[viscid flame]

much better than xterm

also dont forget about note in xterm src

[opal lotus]

sucking terminal

[potent kayak]

Shitless Terminal.

[grand shadow]

been a pretty productive day of distro work

[acoustic peak]

my pr is rotting mr astral

[grand shadow]

I'll get to it soon 😭

[grand shadow]

ok so the path to building astral in astral from a fresh git clone is to just

source the astral source-recipe

prepare

git submodule update --init

gg ez

and then fuck off to build it somewhere

I probably should add a native build command

[grand shadow]

compiling the kernel in astral:
with 6 cores, -j7 takes 51 seconds
with 6 cores, -j1 takes 1m29s
with 1 core, -j1 takes 1m12s

compared to linux, which takes 8 seconds for -j6 and 31 seconds on -j1

💀 astral suuucks bro

profile profile profile sahur

[willow rapids]

haha this is quite real

i get similar jumps in compile time in my kernel too iirc

[sharp carbon]

is that host linux or linux in vm?

[grand shadow]

wsl linux, I am running astral under kvm in wsl

[gritty shore]

what did it reveal?

[grand shadow]

Nothing I havent done it

💀

Yet

[gritty shore]

what do you think is the issue

at least it shows scaling a bit

[mild sentinel]

I wonder how much paravirt could help? And I wonder how much slower it is on bare metal

[gritty shore]

wouldnt help that much

[grand shadow]

Honestly I have no idea, single core is probably just missing optimizations and slow i/o

Multicore is probably some bullshit like thrashing a cache or something I really dont know

[acoustic peak]

was this in raw terminal (ie no other stressful procs running) and what happens if you lower niceness on the compiler

when Astral NUMA 😔

[grand shadow]

Under nscde

[acoustic peak]

i mean how long does one gcc take times wise

if you have that system call

[grand shadow]

lets see

[grand shadow]

600-800ms usually, which is quite a lot

[acoustic peak]

not great yeah

[grand shadow]

wait

.

[acoustic peak]

how many page faults are you getting per run

[grand shadow]

if I disable e9 logging

its like linux speeds

kanker

I forgot to disable that

[acoustic peak]

VMEXIT my behated

[acoustic peak]

so like 100ms?

[acoustic peak]

it seems to be spending a lot of time in sys

just a hunch

[grand shadow]

yeah I need to optinmize that

time to actually test it for real now lol

[acoustic peak]

maybe you should consider tracking the amount of PFs per process

for smaller allocations if the system isnt under memory pressure just back them immediately instead of demand paging them in

[grand shadow]

I plan to eventually cut down on the amount of page faults by clustering

but that will come when I rewrite my page cache to support clustering

-j7

6 cores

6 cores -j1 💀

[acoustic peak]

you can just throw a if (size < PAGE_SIZE*4) { back_pages() } in vmm_map()

at least for a bit of pressure relief

[grand shadow]

ehhh

[acoustic peak]

cant hurt to try but

id say 36s for j6 is very good

[willow rapids]

try disabling your e cores in linux maybe

oh wait right

your host is windows

[grand shadow]

do you think I am rich enough to afford a cpu with e and p cores

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-gif-17455237977333199658

[willow rapids]

b-but-

[grand shadow]

that was someone else running it

[willow rapids]

ah

[grand shadow]

its running on an i5-10300h bro

[willow rapids]

oh yea 😭

nvm then

[grand shadow]

single core j1 is not that much different from multicore j1

just like 20 seconds diff

so there is still some overhead but not that much

[gritty shore]

Better optimization is to demand page multiple pages

[acoustic peak]

that is also easily possible

[gritty shore]

Shootdowns?

[grand shadow]

yeah I plan on doing that soon

[grand shadow]

thats like almost entirely optimized for unless I completely redo half my memory subsystem do do async shootdowns

[acoustic peak]

try j32 the more threads the better trust

[grand shadow]

but yeah, smp is actually scaling now at last for compilation tasks

which is cool

[fleet osprey]

mfw scaling is ~1/3 off from linear (there is still more optimization to be done)

[grand shadow]

smh

[fleet osprey]

anyways still cool shit

[grand shadow]

I should try to do a multicore gcc build at some point

[gritty shore]

do you only do shootdowns on the cores the process ran on?

[grand shadow]

    bool do_shootdown = // do shootdown if
        current_thread() // scheduler is up
        && arch_smp_cpusawake >= 2 // and there are multiple cpus in the system
        && (page >= KERNELSPACE_START // and its either in the kernel
        || ((page == NULL || user_shootdown) // or in userspace...
            && thread->proc && thread->proc->runningthreadcount > 1)); // in a process which has multiple threads running

// .........
        for (int i = 0; i < arch_smp_cpusawake; ++i) {
            if (smp_cpus[i] == current_cpu() || (user_shootdown && smp_cpus[i]->vmmctx != current_thread()->vmmctx))
                continue

this is what I do rn

[gritty shore]

uhh what

so you do do it on all cores?

you do know you have to do shootdowns if it's still only one thread right?

[grand shadow]

no, only if its actually running on the cpu

[grand shadow]

why?

[gritty shore]

that doesnt work

[gritty shore]

because the thread can run on a bunch of cpus

[grand shadow]

what other thread will be doing the shootdown on the vm space its not running on?

[grand shadow]

why

[gritty shore]

you need to check if it ran

not if it' srunning on the cpu

[grand shadow]

if its not running on the cpu wouldn't it already have done a context switch

[gritty shore]

the point of TLB invalidation is to prevent stale TLB entries, if a thread ran on another CPU but is not running anymore, then gets scheduled back in its tlb entries will still exist

fuck im an idiot i think

[analog berry]

reloading cr3 flushes the tlb

[mild sentinel]

Dosnt changing an address space flush the TLB?

[analog berry]

yes

[gritty shore]

yeah right nvm me im stupid

this is a problem with asids tho

I think

[grand shadow]

[mild sentinel]

I presume it's like that on most architectures anyways

[grand shadow]

good thing I don't implement aids or whatever that is

[mild sentinel]

Yeah you'd have to flush the ASID but that could be done lazily when you switch to it

[gritty shore]

i had this in mind because of asids mb

actual 🧠 💨

[grand shadow]

I purposefully do some crazy racy shit here

[gritty shore]

yeah the vmmctx check is iffy but that's best effort anyway

[grand shadow]

yeah

if it transitions to the space during it it will have the new entry anyways, and if it transitions out of it it does not matter

[gritty shore]

the current_thread() is racy too

ah it's to check if scheduler is up

weird

[grand shadow]

whgat do you mean its not like the thread is gonna vanish

[acoustic peak]

sched isnt up at start and TLB invalidations have to happen before sched

on multicore

[gritty shore]

you dont use the value so it's fine

if you did it would be racy

because preemption is enabled

[gritty shore]

no

[grand shadow]

are you confusing it with current_cpu

[gritty shore]

holy shit wow i am making so many mistakes stop listening to me

[acoustic peak]

current_thread is NULL at ap initialization and you do an invalidate on the ranges for kVMM alloc/dealloc

[grand shadow]

😭

[acoustic peak]

lmao it happens

[grand shadow]

42 seconds 6 core🥀

[gritty shore]

uhh what

no

[acoustic peak]

at least he does iirc

[gritty shore]

why would you invalidate memory for ap startup

you only allocate

[acoustic peak]

no like

i meant during vmm_map and vmm_unmap

you invalidate ranges

and before the APs have had their scheduling initted they are allocating memory for other bs soo

[gritty shore]

yeah but you dont do vmm_unmap there

[acoustic peak]

i shouldve clarified

[grand shadow]

I don't actually even hit a shootdown on this anyways anymore

[gritty shore]

also if you're cool you start the scheduler and setup current thread as teh first thing

[grand shadow]

like I could remove this check and be fine but whatever

[gritty shore]

in my kernel APs' current threads are set up before they start

[acoustic peak]

that's not what i meant but wtv

[gritty shore]

anyway @grand shadow what are the next plans for astral

run chromium

[grand shadow]

so true

I really want to be fully self hosting already

so probably work towards that

I need to finish page locking for dma so that I can dma directly into user pages for O_DIRECT

and then rewrite some part of my filesystem drivers to properly handle multi sector reads/writes

[gritty shore]

does it run on anything !amd64 yet

[grand shadow]

and then rewrite the page cache, and then implement page clustering

[grand shadow]

not really

I don't really have any non x86 hardware to test it on anwyays

[gritty shore]

port to 32 bit when

[grand shadow]

this page locking will also be used for fork correctness

[gritty shore]

[grand shadow]

probably never

[mild sentinel]

Get an m2 Mac mini and port to that like Marvin

They can be found pretty cheap relatively if you did want to ever do that

[acoustic peak]

the lack of space to put HHDM makes i386 hell anyways

[gritty shore]

you can limit the physical memory size or design around it

[acoustic peak]

ye i have arch_mmu_remap_physical and arch_mmu_unmap_physical but it still sounds annoying as fuck to implement some pool system

[fleet osprey]

send builds, I have everything

[acoustic peak]

his kernel only supports x86_64

[fleet osprey]

I'm aware

I'm just saying

[acoustic peak]

cool

[grand shadow]

I am not funded by the mossad sorry

[fleet osprey]

not having x86 hardware should not be a blocker

[gritty shore]

pool?

[mild sentinel]

what if i got you CCP funding for loongarch64

[grand shadow]

genuinely would

[acoustic peak]

the method i would do is take a chunk out of my memory map and make a small HHDM pool

[gritty shore]

what NT does for temporary mappings is you have 64 pages of VA per CPU, and you cycle through each page until the 64th is hit, then you do a whole (local) tlb flush on that

[acoustic peak]

wdym tlb flush on that what does that do

like if you need more than 64 pages of mapped on a CPU then what

[gritty shore]

you dont

[fleet osprey]

mobile ARM (32-bit), embedded ARM (32-bit), game console ARM (32-bit), mobile ARM (64-bit), embedded ARM (64-bit), game console ARM (64-bit), laptop ARM (64-bit), embedded PowerPC (32-bit), game console PowerPC (32-bit), laptop PowerPC (32-bit), desktop PowerPC (32-bit), game console PowerPC (64-bit), desktop PowerPC (64-bit), embedded MIPS (64-bit), laptop x86 (32-bit), desktop x86 (32-bit), desktop x86 (64-bit)

[acoustic peak]

i see

[gritty shore]

temporary mappings are page-sized only

[fleet osprey]

I have all of these classes of architectures

[gritty shore]

you have 64 to avoid a tlb flush every time you unmap it

[mild sentinel]

@mystic plank

[grand shadow]

holy shit its loongarch64

[grand shadow]

no sparc64 🥀 how shall I unix larp

[fleet osprey]

I will test on any of these shits for days on end, for free, just need shit to test on them

[grand shadow]

(leo will veto any sparc64 mlibc ports lmao)

[mild sentinel]

just have it as an out of tree fork

[acoustic peak]

no DEC Alpha? how will you larp NT?

[mild sentinel]

no loongarch64

[acoustic peak]

itanium better

[gritty shore]

that's fake larp

real NT larp is MIPS

[fleet osprey]

on the Nintendo® Wii™ video game console running eNTii-for-workcubes

or the Xbox 360 which just runs NT natively

[acoustic peak]

PPC 👎

[fleet osprey]

https://tenor.com/lFHZ8oUJv46.gif

PPC slander is fucking insane

best architecture, PPC 🔛 🔝 ‼️

[gritty shore]

PPC page tables 💀

[fleet osprey]

I just use the BATs lmao

[grand shadow]

I should port whatever the fucking perl module is for that one screensaver that sometimes just jumpscares me with a "acme::whatever::whavetever not found. your perl is broken whatever" white screen

[gritty shore]

🦇

[acoustic peak]

best architecture is armv5 minus the mmu

[fleet osprey]

mmuless is crazy shit

I could never

[acoustic peak]

i never said go mmuless i just mean the MMU impl is shit

at least the page tables

[fleet osprey]

from what I've seen the ARMv5 MMU is alright

[grand shadow]

best architecture is that one fucking risc machine we studied at uni that had 256 bytes of ram, and only {add, load, store, and, or, not, halt, jmp, jz} or whatever the instruction set was

[acoustic peak]

well its certainly reduced

[fleet osprey]

looked sane enough when I read how MINI (FOSS replacement for BroadOn's "IOS" on the Wii's "Starlet" / "IOP" (ARM926EJ-S)) handles it

[acoustic peak]

i mean it works its just annoying to remember all of ARM's stupid bits

[acoustic peak]

starlet is peak

my favorite console security mechanism

[grand shadow]

tomorrow I think I will pick back up on working on bettering the vmm

starting by splitting up the file

[mystic plank]

ni hao fine shyt

[hearty fulcrum]

holy shit it's loongarch64

dam

just saw what you replied to

[neon crane]

its not Great

you have 4 sets of permissions bits for "subpages", which naturally means you get less control on permissions

for example, akin to the original 386, you can't prevent the kernel from writing to any mapped pages

on armv6 there is an extra APX bit which allows you to specify that kind of permission

it shares the same flaw as armv6 with regards to the unbalanced page tables as well. the top-level page table is 16 kilobytes instead of 4 kilobytes, and page tables themselves are 1 kilobyte long

oh, and on armv5 you also have less control over the cache policy of a page

you only have the C and B bits, whereas on armv6 you have 3 extra "TEX" bits

then there is armv7 which added a different page table layout which is better, using 4kb pages for both levels

[grand shadow]

I am partaking in the school of will and completely removing the name "pmm" from my kernel

[elfin turtle]

W school

how much is tuition

[grand shadow]

2 jackal pics a month

[grand shadow]

and by that I now mean doing a general style cleanup on the entire mm 💀

[grand shadow]

I really regret not writing astral with taking page faults in the kernel in mind but I can't really do that without rewriting like half the memory manager and redoing the entire design

[robust bobcat]

💔

[gritty shore]

Why do you want to take page faults? Paged kernel heap?

[grand shadow]

more straightforward cached file read + optimizations for filesystems like fat

[gritty shore]

paged kernel heap when

[grand shadow]

I kind of want to implement swap at some point but I have never done it nor barely read any theory up on it

[opal lotus]

armv8 my beloved

[gritty shore]

mhm?

[gritty shore]

don't do paged kernel heap

atp

it's the kinda stuff you have to design from the beginning

and it's not really useful

[grand shadow]

yeah plus I don't really think I will target memory constrained architectures

[gritty shore]

no kernel does paged kernel heap apart from NT afaik

maybe xnu does it idk

[grand shadow]

I was talking more about like user side swap

[gritty shore]

yeah that's worth it

[opal lotus]

i actually write bad implementations of everything so i can later justify full rewrites

[grand shadow]

zinnia rewrite when

[opal lotus]

c23 microkernel

[gritty shore]

https://klipy.com/gifs/buzz-lightyear-meme-2

[opal lotus]

huh

who is doing that

[gritty shore]

everyone

[opal lotus]

trust

[brazen minnow]

i use c23 but my kernel is not a microkernel

[gritty shore]

nah but fr it all started with brutal

[opal lotus]

who is brutal

[gritty shore]

c23 microkernel

[opal lotus]

by who

[gritty shore]

https://github.com/brutal-org/brutal

[opal lotus]

dead project smh

[grand shadow]

brutal, nothing is left for the beta

[opal lotus]

idk i want to write a microkernel but in a much smaller scope

like, just being able to boot off of an nvme maybe and go to bash

[grand shadow]

thor compatible c23 microkernel

[opal lotus]

lol

[earnest willow]

it's not late to be the first os that uses bragi and is not managarm

[opal lotus]

i want to come up with a cool ipc algorithm

to prove my brain hasn't rotted away from clanker

[gritty shore]

i told you one

many times

that should be very good

or decent ig

[opal lotus]

i forgor

also you came up with one

not me

so I'm stupid and you're not

[gritty shore]

well, I stole it from existing microkernels mostly

[grand shadow]

in this world nothing is created, all is stolen and sold for more

[gritty shore]

something something newton standing on the shoulders of giants

[opal lotus]

but yeah

[flat copper]

it's probably worthwhile to design it with readahead and journaling in mind

[grand shadow]

journaling is one of the things I have been itching to add to astral

can't stand filesystem corruption anymore

[cyan junco]

Why would it be different ?

[grand shadow]

extra handling that smp might need

[cyan junco]

Oh okay

[willow rapids]

windows cursor

[gritty shore]

locks

[cyan junco]

Make sense

[grand shadow]

yeah I use a real os (windows)

[willow rapids]

imagine not using the latest and greatest kde plasma 6.7.2

[grand shadow]

I have done some light refactoring

now back onto page locking work

[grand shadow]

I should experiment with adding clustered anonymous page in for the lols

[grand shadow]

I do remember that in my old profiling for graphical programs like meincraft the page fault isr had a lot of hits

[grand shadow]

though also there kernel time is like less than 25% of overall time

[grand shadow]

Time to try to build gcc in astral again but with 6 cores

[grand shadow]

go go gadget make all-gcc all-target-libgcc all-target-libstdc++-v3 -j7

It survived running 7 configures at the same time in smp, cool lmao

[grand shadow]

hm, took like 3h10m to build it

crazy that it didn't crash

there is still a lot of work to be done

I think last time it took 5 hours, so thats still an improvement over one job

• xscreensaver running

[brazen minnow]

umm thats not correct

why is user and sys so big

😭

[viscid flame]

literally unusabl

[willow rapids]

no getrusage

[grand shadow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/congratulations-I2a

[marsh sparrow]

are you implementing journaling?

[grand shadow]

I was looking into how it works to see how I would fit it into my new page cache design

[grand shadow]

how do you plan on handling journaling on the managarm page cache, btw

[grand shadow]

https://www.osnews.com/story/145388/astral-is-a-hobby-operating-system-with-x-org-minecraft-and-now-wine/

damn

this is pretty cool
https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral/issues/34

I'll fix the stuff they brought up

[gritty shore]

this is really nice and why open source is good

(ignoring the AI and bullshit issues)

[willow rapids]

2026 is actually the year of the astral desktop :p

[marsh sparrow]

it doesn't sound that hard

@carmine swallow wants to do it for nlnet (?)

[grand shadow]

been working on that unix socket stuff

so far I have managed to get to 0-2 failures on junixsocket-common (apparently there is some race in my localsocket code that causes it to randomly hang?)

FAIL junixsocket-common 144/181 (32 skipped) failures: 2/149
PASS junixsocket-tipc 0/89 (89 skipped)
PASS junixsocket-vsock 1/76 (75 skipped)
SKIP junixsocket-rmi (skipped by user request)
FAIL junixsocket-ssl 471/472 failures: 1/472
PASS junixsocket-darwin 0/2 (2 skipped)

these 2 common failures are on some throughput test

the ssl one also times out for some reason, maybe its the same issue. who knows

[acoustic peak]

rotting away mr mathewnd, rotting away...

[cyan junco]

You need to say "talk is cheap, merge patches" 😔

[fleet osprey]

"talk is cheap, patches already sent"

anyways, bored, trying to build Astral from my M3 Pro MBP

can't build from macOS (lame), but I'm trying from my Debian aarch64 VM

[grand shadow]

😭 Im too lazy to think about refcounting Ill get it to you today fr fr fr on god

[fleet osprey]

I'm also trying to do this on a mobile hotspot (I'm out in a DMV in the middle-of-fucking-nowhere with a network speed of No™)

checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... no
configure: error: in `/build_dir/host-builds/xbinutils':
configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
See `config.log' for more details
make[1]: *** [Makefile:77: kernel] Error 77
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/techflash/src/Astral'
make: *** [Makefile:38: all] Error 2

configure:4532: checking whether the C compiler works
configure:4554: gcc -O2 -march=x86-64 -pipe -mtune=generic   conftest.c  >&5
gcc: error: unknown value 'x86-64' for '-march'
gcc: note: valid arguments are: armv8-a armv8.1-a armv8.2-a armv8.3-a armv8.4-a armv8.5-a armv8.6-a armv8.7-a armv8.8-a armv8.9-a armv8-r armv9-a armv9.1-a armv9.2-a armv9.3-a armv9.4-a armv9.5-a native
cc1: error: unknown value 'x86-64' for '-march'
cc1: note: valid arguments are: armv8-a armv8.1-a armv8.2-a armv8.3-a armv8.4-a armv8.5-a armv8.6-a armv8.7-a armv8.8-a armv8.9-a armv8-r armv9-a armv9.1-a armv9.2-a armv9.3-a armv9.4-a armv9.5-a native
configure:4558: $? = 1
configure:4596: result: no
configure: failed program was:
| /* confdefs.h */
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE_URL ""
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| 
| int
| main ()
| {
| 
|   ;
|   return 0;
| }
configure:4601: error: in `/build_dir/host-builds/xbinutils':
configure:4603: error: C compiler cannot create executables
See `config.log' for more details

hardcoded x86_64 host assumptions

cringe

I wonder if I can fix it

[fleet osprey]

yeah I see the problem

Jinxfile sets CFLAGS to have -march=x86-64 globally

this also affects host recipes

currently testing a fix for that

the real fix is probably to separate host vs target cflags but I don't know how to do that properly

gets past xbinutils now at least

🥀 I don't think that's right

[formal patio]

what's wrong with that? doesn't astral target only x86_64?

[fleet osprey]

see the Host lines

[formal patio]

yeah what's wrong with that

[fleet osprey]

this is an aarch64 host

oh wait I'm blind

[formal patio]

yeah, so what's wrong

[fleet osprey]

nvm I thought it was building some host tool

no that was it building mlibc lol

[grand shadow]

Heres a nickel kid.... Go buy yourself a real computer

[formal patio]

mlibc-headers only

[fleet osprey]

seems to be getting pretty far actually

[formal patio]

which should be pretty much just be copying a bunch of headers

[fleet osprey]

🥀

failed and it wasn't even an aarch64 problem smh

[grand shadow]

The fuck

[formal patio]

the real challenge will be shit that doesn't separate build time tooling targets vs host targets (e.g. a lot of cmake projects)

and g-o-i

[grand shadow]

Inb4 changed upstream

Either that or freestnd c hdrs is gone

Or I accifentally used the master link

😭

Well I did not

The sha of the commit magically changed

Someone is doing something spooky

[fleet osprey]

inb4 it's always been broken and you just happened to save the sha512sum of a corrupted download

[mild sentinel]

I mean if thats an archive

GitHub can change those on you

[fleet osprey]

oh yeah that is true

I'll just change it locally for now to get it building but I won't send that up

lol freestnd-cxx-hdrs has the same problem

/usr/bin/install -c -s tic     /build_dir/pkgs/ncurses/usr/bin/`echo tic|       sed 's/$//'|sed 's,x,x,'|sed 's/$//'`
strip: Unable to recognise the architecture of the input file `/build_dir/pkgs/ncurses/usr/bin/tic'
install: strip process terminated abnormally
make[1]: *** [Makefile:219: install.progs] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/build_dir/builds/ncurses/progs'
make: *** [Makefile:134: install] Error 2
make[1]: *** [Makefile:83: distro-minimal] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/techflash/src/Astral'
make: *** [Makefile:39: all] Error 2

🥀

[grand shadow]

💀

[fleet osprey]

ah

it's trying to strip the target binaries with the host toolchain

[fast gorge]

merging patches is cheap, talk

[fleet osprey]

merging is cheap, talk about patches

[grand shadow]

I just wrote

in some code

and I quote

"EFAIL"

😭

[grand shadow]

it looks fine, I'm going to test it locally but pls fix conflcit :plead:

or I can also just commit it under your name

whatever you prefer

anyways

Selftest results:
DONE    junixsocket-common      146/181 (32 skipped)
PASS    junixsocket-tipc        0/89 (89 skipped)
PASS    junixsocket-vsock       1/76 (75 skipped)
PASS    junixsocket-rmi 6/12 (6 skipped)
PASS    junixsocket-ssl 472/472
PASS    junixsocket-darwin      0/2 (2 skipped)

IMPORTANT: Could not set socket timeout via Socket.setSoTimeout (AF_UNIX); this is a known limitation of your operating system; junixsocket-common: SoTimeoutTest.testSocketTimeoutExceptionWrite()
IMPORTANT: "With issues": Please carefully check the output above; the software may not be able to do what you want.

Supported capabilities:   [CAPABILITY_PEER_CREDENTIALS, CAPABILITY_NATIVE_SOCKETPAIR, CAPABILITY_FD_AS_REDIRECT, CAPABILITY_UNIX_DOMAIN, CAPABILITY_UNSAFE, CAPABILITY_LARGE_PORTS]
Unsupported capabilities: [CAPABILITY_ANCILLARY_MESSAGES, CAPABILITY_FILE_DESCRIPTORS, CAPABILITY_ABSTRACT_NAMESPACE, CAPABILITY_UNIX_DATAGRAMS, CAPABILITY_TIPC, CAPABILITY_VSOCK, CAPABILITY_VSOCK_DGRAM, CAPABILITY_ZERO_LENGTH_SEND, CAPABILITY_DARWIN, CAPABILITY_SEND_RECV_TIMEOUT]

Selftest PASSED WITH ISSUES

[acoustic peak]

You can do it under my name i dont mind

[grand shadow]

alright

[fleet osprey]

patches have been created

[grand shadow]

if you open a pr I probably will merge it, since this is a good to have when I eventually port it to another architecture

[fleet osprey]

well this doesn't actually touch any of the actual kernel source, it doesn't get it even close to compiling targetting aarch64

doesn't even add infra for doing so

just fixes various build-time bugs that only surface when host != target

[grand shadow]

yeah its still a good to have

less work for when I do it

[fleet osprey]

lol it's fucked but I can't see it because my Linux VM has too small of a display

😭

wait it tried to boot from NVMe

I'm stupid

[opal lotus]

when aarch64

[fleet osprey]

idk ask @grand shadow

I just wanted to get it building

[grand shadow]

I don't have aarch hardware

[fleet osprey]

#1061407633745125397 message

I have all of the hardware

talk is cheap, send builds

https://github.com/Mathewnd/Astral/pull/35 patches sent ✅

this does not touch freestnd-{c,cxx}-hdrs

since how you want to actually fix that is up to you

[grand shadow]

@acoustic peak @fleet osprey talk was cheap patches were merged

[analog berry]

I actually get charged a lot for my talk by clankers

But patches are cheap

[fast gorge]

talk however isnt

[viscid flame]

was bash 5.3 pr merged

[grand shadow]

yeah

:(

i should try running steam again

[fleet osprey]

old firefox logo jumpscare

[cyan junco]

Wait

[fleet osprey]

oh yeah speaking of, firefox when

[cyan junco]

What is you cantact the client support

And ask them how do you run youtube

[grand shadow]

wine iexplore runs gecko so close enough

[cyan junco]

And you just tell them you cannot update your browser

[grand shadow]

"heres a nickel kid, go buy yourself a real computer" and google sends you 1k usd

[mild sentinel]

Only one grand in this economy?

[grand shadow]

can't share too much with the poors

augh time to download steam

hopefully my localsocket fixes magically fixed steam

its fun that htis actually works

[fleet osprey]

no native port of Steam

[viscid flame]

linux larp when

[grand shadow]

I aint marvin

[mild sentinel]

you know what it is time to do

[hearty fulcrum]

port glibc

[carmine swallow]

an android phone

[analog berry]

Get Marvin to share his 10k dollars aarch64 Thinkpad

[earnest willow]

get marvin to do an osdev fund

[hearty fulcrum]

get marvin

[opal lotus]

1k*

[analog berry]

Wait really

[opal lotus]

well

[analog berry]

What are the specs

[opal lotus]

32gb ram, 1tb ssd

gen 4

touchscreen

[mild sentinel]

damn thats a good deal

😭

[opal lotus]

other than that it's a T14s

[opal lotus]

well besides the fact it fucking sucks for linux

tho idk if it's better now

thinkpads with touchscreen are weird as fuck

also thinkpad T series displays are ass

1080p type shit

[analog berry]

How many cores

[opal lotus]

12 iirc

[analog berry]

How is it so cheap wtf

[opal lotus]

it was b-stock

but looks brand new

[mild sentinel]

1080p is fine imo

[analog berry]

What is b stock?

[acoustic peak]

back stock

[opal lotus]

no

[acoustic peak]

oh?

[analog berry]

Refurbished?

[opal lotus]

not really

[grand shadow]

back-of-the-alley-found stock

[opal lotus]

more like A-stock and B-stock

[acoustic peak]

oh lesser quality then

[opal lotus]

where B stock is not 100% brand new

maybe returned or something

or opened box

[analog berry]

Still cheap af

[opal lotus]

it's an X1E78100

[analog berry]

Especially for Qualcomm

[opal lotus]

i really wish this firmware wasn't hopelessly fucked

[mild sentinel]

Btw how's that FRED laptop coming along

[opal lotus]

otherwise it's a really nice laptop

[opal lotus]

ETA mid july

[mild sentinel]

Thank you

[analog berry]

Which part

[opal lotus]

they haven't asked me to pay my pre order yet

bro everything

you needed grub workarounds for the 64gb ram version where it would just hard reset if you didn't cutmem the upper 32gigs

[analog berry]

Grub supports aarch64??

[opal lotus]

bro grub supports s390x

[analog berry]

Damn

[opal lotus]

the software dev experience for this laptop feels more like an SBC with display

[analog berry]

Why does that happen?

[opal lotus]

firmware bug

[gritty shore]

grub is such a shitty name i just realized

[opal lotus]

also sometimes it refuses to exit bootservices

[analog berry]

Doesn't it make sense?

[opal lotus]

https://klipy.com/gifs/grub-hub-boogie-food