skiftOS - A modern operating system

[idle pumice]

palas cat pfp

https://tenor.com/dqK7jmA7uTl.gif

[sly pilot]

thanks, he's even more ridiculous now.

[north flame]

last time he was being even more ridiculous

but he basically did the exact same thing
thrash a project in progress report for some dumb af reason

[idle pumice]

classical bring others down to bring you up I mean

insecurity and the like

the guy is young, he will grow out of it as he gains confidence on himself, cannot be arsed until then though

[real ether]

I'm impressed by how far skiftOS actually is. I don't know if I'll ever get this far with my project.

[abstract escarp]

^^^^^^^^

[verbal seal]

I wrote a specification for the boot protocol used in Skift. It's not as fully-fledged as the Limine one and isn't meant to be, but I'm open to feedback. https://github.com/cute-engineering/handover/blob/main/README.md#L15-L16

[past scaffold]

Looks very similar to the ultra boot protocol my loader uses

[verbal seal]

Really? Can you send your spec I'm curious :)

[past scaffold]

You can find it in the ultra repo

Im on my phone rn

[past scaffold]

Or project sorry

[haughty pagoda]

https://github.com/UltraOS/UltraProtocol

[verbal seal]

Yeah looks a lot like multiboot2

[barren mantle]

i'm not sure if there is any point in doing that, to be honest

tightly coupling the bootloader to the kernel is probably fine

if the bootloader isn't meant to be used for multiple kernels, and if it is supposed to be, it's probably better to implement limine or whatever

[verbal seal]

I want my bootloader to support multiple kernels and boot protocols, and Limine's protocol doesn't fit my design requirements.

[left ridge]

in which way

i know that it doesn't matter if i make it fit the requirements, you are still too pretty to use it, but i am curious

[barren mantle]

add forth to your bootloader and have the user ship whatever they want :^)

[past scaffold]

implement the boot protocol in AML

[silk berry]

boot linux and just use kexec

oh wait

[verbal seal]

I haven't checked Limine in a long time, so I might be mistaken, but if I recall correctly, there is no guarantee that all the payload is in one contiguous region of memory, which I like because it makes forwarding the structure to my bootstrap process and userspace driver host easier. However, it isn't really a blocking issue since I could just translate the Limine payload to Handover and forward that. The lack of Limine support is mostly due to a lack of time on my side rather than a real blocking issue on Limine's side.

[left ridge]

there is no guarantee that all the payload is in one contiguous region of memory
what payload? the kernel? there is.

[past scaffold]

request replies

[verbal seal]

request replies

[left ridge]

ah well

[past scaffold]

thats one thing i dont like as well

[left ridge]

can't quite make everyone happy

[past scaffold]

yeah

its one of those things

[left ridge]

on one hand that is an inescapable fact, and on the other hand, it sucks to see the amount of NIH associated with everyone not being happy with every little thing

[verbal seal]

If this weekend I add limine support back to skift will you display it in the in the screenshot in your readme back

[left ridge]

hm sure

for the record i didn't remove it with any intentionality, i am pretty sure i removed it because i thought you moved to brutal

[verbal seal]

Yay 😁

[verbal seal]

Yay it was no longer using limine so it was understandable

[left ridge]

yeah

[past scaffold]

Why was brutal abandoned btw?

[verbal seal]

BRUTAL is a project by @fierce flower and me. Since they are too busy to work on it, I didn't feel like working on it alone. Also, skift was just supposed to be BRUTAL's user space, but I did build a small kernel because I wanted to see how skift's flavor of C++ would fare in kernel space.

BRUTAL is still a better kernel than hjert because it does support SMP and has a better scheduler

[past scaffold]

i see

i liked the pretty art tho

[verbal seal]

Yeah BRUTAL aesthetic was perfect, skift fell a bit too corporate for my taste

[verbal seal]

You might like this tho https://docs.skiftos.org/propaganda.html

[past scaffold]

damn

looks cool

[fading whale]

that was personal

[verbal seal]

It's a joke, I love C

[verbal seal]

@teal hornet you said in the other meme server that you where not able to build skift on your machine, can you tell me more ?

[teal hornet]

It's Python's fault IIRC

[idle quartz]

@verbal seal On https://skiftos.org/ , the links to the source code of Opstart and Hideo are broken

[verbal seal]

ok thanks

[verbal seal]

Current progress on the browser, chrome above, us bellow

Acid1 is not looking so hot right now 😅

Support for tables was also greatly improved

[past scaffold]

I hope u surpass ladybird

Although they literally depend on googles libraries now even for rendering so its going to be tough

[barren mantle]

it's the key prinicple of making a really boring project

[past scaffold]

But hey now it's a big boy project with funding and big boy library dependencies

Btw @verbal seal now that your project is split into a billion repositories are you worried about “bump X to latest” commit churn and the overall awkwardness of that whole thing

I understand the intent tho, that you want to have them as separate projects

[verbal seal]

We have big boi funding too. There is currently 3 full time engineers working on the engine at Odoo (including me) which roughly equal to 12k€ a month

[past scaffold]

Thats very cool

Did you split partially to shift focus away from skift os?

Any plans on using third party libraries?

[barren mantle]

why is anyone paying yall to work on this?

there's no way this could ever be profitable

no offence

[past scaffold]

Well maybe in 20 years

[barren mantle]

but a new browser in $currentYear does not stand a chance

[barren mantle]

easier and cheaper to modify firefox, chromium or webkit

[past scaffold]

But I agree that the market is a bit oversaturated atm

[verbal seal]

The engine is mainly built for static document generation, meaning taking HTML/CSS and generating PDFs as fast as possible with the least amount of resources. Odoo, being an ERP, generates millions of documents every month, so there is money to be saved by reducing support tickets related to document generation times and lowering infrastructure costs.

[past scaffold]

No way it’s cheaper to write an HTML renderer from scratch than to optimize chromium for this specific case?

[barren mantle]

might be a long tail problem kind of thing

you can deal with like, 99% with pretty easy code

and then throw chromium at the remaining 1%

[past scaffold]

Hmm

I mean im sure it makes sense, I doubt people paying for it are dumb

[barren mantle]

like idk how many documents will have css at all

apart from like a font

or text colors

[verbal seal]

Without any special optimization efforts, we are already 3x faster than Chromium. There's no way we can optimize Chromium without negatively impacting other use cases that Google cares more about than PDF generation.

[verbal seal]

It's cheaper than an LTT ad spot

[barren mantle]

how much does LTT charge lmao

that sounds crazy

[verbal seal]

10k for ad spots, sponsored video are like 50k

[left ridge]

Limine ad spot when

[rare spoke]

and now this segue to our sponsor... limine!

[past scaffold]

Do u really want this much attention from clueless ltt viewers

[barren mantle]

(no)

[left ridge]

no, i don't need ads

you only need ads if your product is shit

jk

also i wouldn't have that money to waste on an LTT ad anyways

[vocal obsidian]

LTT is linus tech tips?

Or am I slow

[barren mantle]

yes

[idle quartz]

Live To Time

[clear pewter]

Live to Tell

[vocal obsidian]

Live to tear

[idle quartz]

been reading the kernel's code to see how it's done and compare to mine. I am stunned by how simple it is

congrats!

[sinful mauve]

what if i emailed ltt and asked them how much for an ad spot

[sinful mauve]

oh wait

10k

damnn

[verbal seal]

thanks 💜

[verbal seal]

Well mine does a lot less 😅

[verbal seal]

I added a start page

[past scaffold]

I might've seen a browser with a similar start page

[vast marten]

It looks mostly good, but something just feels off about it, and I can't tell what exactly

[verbal seal]

Is it because it's off-center?

That's not intended, it's caused by a bug in our flexbox implementation

[vast marten]

Maybe but something about the input box felt weird too

It might be its size. For that font size I'd probably expect it to be wider

Or I don't know. Something just feels off

I did notice it was off-center and I dismissed it because it's understandable that it's unintentional and will later be fixed

[verbal seal]

Just added select component to Karm

[idle quartz]

Banana

[verbal seal]

I built it for this print dialog I'm working on :)

[verbal seal]

skiftOS - A modern operating system

[verbal pulsar]

hows acid1 going

[verbal seal]

We didn't progress that much because it mostly just tests floats and clear and we have postponed these features to another milestone

[verbal seal]

Image support!

[idle quartz]

‼️

[teal hornet]

Is that Jschlenna?

[verbal seal]

It's all I know https://mortenhannemose.github.io/lena/

[idle quartz]

google gives 0 results for that word

[left ridge]

jschlatt + lena

like holy shit lol

[idle quartz]

never heard of them before

[rare spoke]

lena is the original picture

and jschlatt is a youtuber apparently

[rare spoke]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna

[silk berry]

that doesn't even look like schlatt

[left ridge]

true

[teal hornet]

I have no idea why there was controversy over this picture

And how another, similar picture being used was supposed to draw attention to the "issue"

[rare spoke]

honestly I don't really get it either

how is it supposed to hurt women? it's literally just a picture

[teal hornet]

My best guess is slutshaming prudes

[rare spoke]

"However, 46 years on, Lena is still being used as a test image. According to Creatable and Code Like Girl, this is symbolic of how women were left out and pushed out of the industry."

this doesn't make sense at all in my opinion

so women are being pushed out of the industry because another woman got a picture taken of her in an unrelated magazine?

the only reason it's still being used is because of historical significance, not because evil men actively discriminate against women

[north flame]

well

I mean, the reason this happened is that they needed a test image

and one of them pulled out the centerfold picture on Playboy magazine

[rare spoke]

yes

this is literally what happened

[north flame]

I don't think that'd've happened if a woman was in the room

[rare spoke]

probably not, but I just think people like to make a fuss about irrelevant things like this

[north flame]

also, nowadays it isn't that good of a test image anymore
people will test image processing algorithms on it that don't even apply to it

just because

and then put it into publications

this apparently got so bad many journals banned it

[rare spoke]

yeah that is fair criticism

[verbal seal]

This video is really at explaining the situation around the image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCdwm2vo09I

[verbal seal]

Current progress on bootstrap 5 support. chrome/veav

[ebon bobcat]

woww very cool

[verbal seal]

Trying to decide which mouse cursor to use 🤔

[past scaffold]

i like the lhs

[ebon bobcat]

the left is nice

[verbal seal]

I really like what ipados is doing with the cursor https://youtu.be/jijhJj_rNDI?si=5yohqa_1I7UVmPnI

[verbal seal]

So, I still have a lot of work to do but.......................... Skift is finally interactive 🥳

[vocal obsidian]

I think you could probably optimize this a lot by removing all those logs

logging is really expensive

[verbal seal]

Yeah, there is a lot of room for improvement, but I'll work on that later, it's like 3 am and I need to sleep now 😅

[vocal obsidian]

but other than that, good work on skiftOS

is this a group project or just you (sorry for my ignorance)

[verbal seal]

Everything except the browser is written by me

[vocal obsidian]

daaaamn

nice work

since you have a proper-ish DE it seems, you might want to look into using uacpi for getting stuff like battery status, battery power levels

etc.

laptop lid opens/closes

if you don't have uacpi already

[verbal seal]

Right now, Skift is seriously lacking in the driver/kernel front, but the userspace is getting pretty good

[vocal obsidian]

I see

who knows, I might contribute power management code to it soon, if you can get uacpi implemented

and by power management, I mean stuff like suspend, as well as what I said above

[verbal seal]

I think I'll first get everything I have nice and fast and then I'll looks into adding new stuff :)

[haughty pagoda]

very nice 🎉

[livid dome]

surprissed that the idea of uacpi wasn't immediately rejected since iirc skift is a big nih project, i would expect a homemade aml interpreter :^)

but good work it looks awesome!

[livid dome]

and definitely left

[ebon bobcat]

nice! :D

[verbal seal]

I didn't know what it was 😅

[ebon bobcat]

I am both impressed by and scared of people who write their own aml interpreters :D

[idle pumice]

the one in the right is easily the worst cursor ive seen in my life

hard left

[livid dome]

cursors are historically anchored to top left

so it being like a circle is a bit unusual

which probably makes people choose left

i guess it works for ipados because you don't actually get a proper cursor there

just a weird blob that's supposed to simulate a finger that you can move around with your mouse

[idle pumice]

today I learned ipados has a cursor

[livid dome]

yeah it's interesting

[verbal seal]

Less horrible perfs

[vocal obsidian]

Cool!

[hexed girder]

you can do a lot on the cpu

like older windows software rendering performs really well

[idle pumice]

this is also doing more than old windows software rendering

those smooth animations have a tax

instead of rendering once per change you are rendering several times for intermediary frames

windows did disable aero and smooth animations when doing VESA after all

[verbal seal]

Also, it's running without any form of acceleration on QEMU's side

It's TCG

[idle pumice]

yeah that could be another nail

but I truly feel there is only so much you can do

[verbal seal]

There's still some room to make things faster. I could:

• distribute rendering across multiple threads.
• skip drawing stuff that's hidden.
• break things into layers so animations are cheaper. just blit them instead of redrawing everything.

[idle pumice]

you will want to break things into layers anyways if you ever want to port it to a GPU, given a lot of GPUs work like that, with different render layers

[verbal seal]

Yeah having a complete set of virtio drivers is on my todo

[hexed girder]

fast cpu rendering is needed on real hardware anyways, since gpus are far away

[idle quartz]

god I want to do graphics rendering and build a desktop environment so bad

[idle pumice]

do it

ill have it as an option for Ironclad if you make it pretty and nice

[pine surge]

uDE

uGUI

[pine surge]

I'd love to run cosmic on my os at some point

not because it's the best DE or whatever

i haven't even tried it

but i watched a talk on its modularity

they're doing cool stuff internally

so they're doing actually innovative stuff under the hood and afaik if one ports it to a homebrew os it would be the first homebrew os to run COSMIC and i have a feeling the system76 people would get a good laugh out of that

[verbal seal]

Redox can run some of cosmic components

[verbal seal]

Do you have a link ?

[pine surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwrBKccfYws

I only watched Victoria Brekenfeld's section

because it had demos and more interesting talk

maybe Carl's section was interesting as well idk but i have a prejudice against CEOs

[verbal seal]

thanks 💜

[ebon bobcat]

Wait are you ironclad dev

[idle pumice]

Yes

[ebon bobcat]

oh nice, didn't realise

[idle pumice]

🍻

[vocal iris]

ipad OS has no excuse

android has a cursor

[livid dome]

they do

it's apple

[sinful mauve]

wait are u nyaux dev

because i have my make-the-person-a-nyaux-dev inator on me

[pine surge]

wait are you gearbox dev

are you nixstrap dev??

[sinful mauve]

wait are u nix strap dev who needs to GET BACK TO WORk

rn

😡

im close to userspace

i NEED my nixstrap

[pine surge]

sorry 😔

[sinful mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-benson-regular-show-regular-show-benson-angry-gif-3864384236832066965

[pine surge]

tell ÖSYM to give me YKS questions and answers

then i will

[vocal obsidian]

are you like nix developer too

[pine surge]

until i pass YKS, it has priority over osdev

[vocal obsidian]

https://nixos.org/

[pine surge]

i am technically a nixpkgs maintainer

but only technically (i am one of the 4 maintainers of the limine package

I'm a casual nixos user + i """maintain""" #1279525023127830609

oh you're wondering what nixstrap is?nixstrap is a declarative OS/distro bootstrapper that makes use of the Nix ecosystem. It's built similarly to NixOS, home-manager and other nix-based systems, except its output is not a full system or a home directory but instead bootable disk images. It is modular, and several modules are provided by nixstrap itself, such as support for bootloaders including limine. It replaces Makefiles and other build systems for OS/distros. It is bootloader- and kernel-agnostic.

nixstrap builds everything as nix derivations, in the nix sandbox. It does not need root access for building. It can (and should) be used with nix flakes, with pinned dependencies, therefore providing a lockfile for the OS and ensuring reproducibility. nixstrap allows you to have multiple configurations for your OS, so you can have any amount of pre-customized images (e.g. a linux distro could have the following configurations: aarch64-plasma riscv64-xfce x86_64-minimal...). For huge OSes with many packages and a long build time, you can spin up a nix cache server and spare your contributors hours, thanks to the reproducibility guarantee.

Here's a basic guide to how to use nixstrap for an OS with a homebrew kernel and environment:

• write nix packages for user software and the kernel. (not as complex as that sounds)
• enable and configure modules (such as bootloaders) that your 🫵 OS needs and nixstrap already supports. yes you heard it right 🫵 nixstrap saves you from sketchy makefiles downloading dependencies with unpinned versions suddenly breaking everything when your dependencies update.
• nix build .#nixstrapConfigurations.<configuration name>.config.build.artifacts TODO: CLI tool to not have this long command
• your bootable images are now ready, with your 🫵 favourite bootloader installed, your 🫵 kernel & initramfs placed in the boot partition and every other file that your 🫵 VM images and installer ISOs need placed exactly where they need to be.

@vocal obsidian

[vocal obsidian]

you have completed a quest: nixstrap shilling

[pine surge]

basically you can do very simple nix configuration

[livid dome]

casually hijacking the skiftos thread

[pine surge]

to enable limine for example, and it builds it for you

[pine surge]

it's called advertisement

[sinful mauve]

@verbal seal what is ur opinion on this hjacking

[pine surge]

SEO optimization

more people are gonna learn about nixstrap here than in its own thread

it's like being at the top of google search

{ pkgs, ... }: {
  build.label = "limine-c-template";
  boot.loader.devices = [ "disk" ];
  # Timeout in seconds that Limine will use before automatically booting.
  boot.loader.timeout = 3;
  boot.loader.limine.enable = true;
  boot.entry."Limine Template" = {
    # We use the Limine boot protocol.
    protocol = "limine";
    # Path to the kernel to boot. boot():/ represents the partition on which limine.conf is located.
    kernelPath = "boot():/boot/kernel";
  };

  # The path where the ESP will be mounted. By default, limine.conf and the EFI
  # executables are placed there.
  # In nixstrap, paths are relative to the disk root and don't need the root /
  # This option defaults to "boot", as that is a common ESP mountpoint.
  boot.efiSysMountPoint = "";

  # This builds the kernel using ./kernel/default.nix, and places it in /boot/kernel
  file."boot/kernel".source = pkgs.callPackage ./kernel {};

  # The image definition. This uses the same format as disko images, and
  # nixstrap internally uses a fork of disko to create and format these images.
  image.disk = {
    type = "disk";
    imageSize = "1M";
    content = {
      type = "gpt";
      partitions.ESP = {
        type = "EF00";
        size = "100%";
        content = {
          type = "filesystem";
          format = "vfat";
          mountpoint = "/";
        };
      };
    };
  };
}

example simple config

[vocal obsidian]

can I get it to build my kernel

with CMake

[pine surge]

i believe yes

[vocal obsidian]

how about any ports I have

like a bash port, mlibc

[pine surge]

yes

you need to create nix packages for them tho

and if they're already in nixpkgs I'd suggest you to only keep patch files in your ports tree

yes you can use nixpkgs, the biggest and freshest package repository of the entire world

if enough people use nixstrap there would be incentive to do stuff like upstream an mlibc package to nixpkgs and you could upstream your mlibc port to mlibc and you wouldn't even need it in your ports tree

you could just pkgs.mlibc

[livid dome]

how would you build nixpkgs pkgs to use mlibc instead of glibc

or do they not reference glibc specifically

i guess they don't, nvm

[pine surge]

not sure about static linking

i guess you would just set the linker options accordingly

and if you want to do that to all packages

[livid dome]

no no dynamic linking

no static linking

bad

[pine surge]

ah

[livid dome]

can you make it use your own toolchain? x86_64-my-os-gcc

or whatever

[pine surge]

stuff like the libc is declared in the platform or whatever it was called

i forgot the actual names used in nixpkgs

[verbal seal]

<@&575187262250287114> please do something 🥺🙏

[gritty sentinel]

about what

[north flame]

uhm ...

[vocal obsidian]

@pine surge shilling nixstrap in here

[gritty sentinel]

nix sucks, end of argument

[left ridge]

no

sorry

they are not a spammer

[idle quartz]

bing shilling

[hybrid flax]

im shilling so hard rn

[vocal obsidian]

.!naenae @pine surge no nixstrap shilling

[sleek heart]

Command executed by oberrow

Command Error

Type

Permission Error

Details

You must have BAN_MEMBERS to execute this command.

Dec 29, 2024, 6:18 PM

[north flame]

they sent one admittedly long message about nixstrap
but it was only in response to a question by someone
and it's somewhat topical

[vocal obsidian]

rule 17: no shilling nixstrap

[north flame]

so no ban

I don't see a problem here

[rose gazelle]

.!naenae @vocal obsidian no backseat modding

[left ridge]

even if it was a nono thing it wouldn't be ban worthy

at most a mute

[livid dome]

i tried to hint that maybe they shouldn't hijack the thread but oh well

[gritty sentinel]

^

[pine surge]

sorry

[idle pumice]

https://tenor.com/rIao4HDF1fy.gif

[left ridge]

well yeah

[pine surge]

I went to grab something and feds are here

[idle pumice]

hands up

[left ridge]

but like, not hijacking the threads is courtesy but not technically against the rules

[left ridge]

me

[vocal obsidian]

we should have a "days since last incident" channel or smth counting the number of days since the last ban

[left ridge]

definitely not something i'd say pinging all mods over is appropriate tbh

[hybrid flax]

POLICE OPEN UP

[pine surge]

sorry won't happen again 🫡

[left ridge]

it's fine lol

[rose gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-gif-2734175389934997010

[left ridge]

like sure maybe if it's a repeated obnoxious thing, i can understand it, but this wasn't the case here

[vocal obsidian]

when something bad happens I usually just ping my favourite mod

unless they're offline, then I ping the first one I see is online

[hybrid flax]

who might that be

( 🥺 )

[livid dome]

damn left on read

[vocal obsidian]

uhh

wait until the next incident

[pine surge]

time to cause the next incident

https://tenor.com/view/eating-the-chip-chips-chip-eating-chip-man-eating-three-chips-gif-18885184

[verbal seal]

lol I was expecting to avoid too much noise and keep the discussion center onto the project and now it's worst 😅

[trim spindle]

chat is dead

[verbal seal]

Getting closer to being able to render Google's homepage

[trim spindle]

w

[verbal seal]

Hey, if anyone wants to meet up I will be at FOSDEM :)

[hollow sedge]

I'm down

[idle quartz]

Me too

[verbal seal]

I wonder if other people on the server have scheduled a meetup or something. I think there will definitely be some people during the Managarm talk and microkernel devroom

[idle pumice]

there is an Ironclad talk as well in the Ada devroom

https://fosdem.org/2025/schedule/event/fosdem-2025-4871-developing-device-drivers-for-ironclad-using-ada/

[verbal seal]

Cool, I'll add it to my list of talk I went to attend :)

[hollow sedge]

I'll be having a talk in the Foss on mobile devices devroom, isn't on the schedule on the website yet as it's replacing someone who had to drop out, it's about a AGPS project of mine

[rose gazelle]

@verbal seal are you in the microkernel devroom by chance?

[verbal seal]

Yes :)

[visual lion]

Turn around

[rose gazelle]

Behind you on the left :)

[rare spoke]

can we see you on the webcam or ar you in the back

[rose gazelle]

At the back

[gritty sentinel]

lmao

[rose gazelle]

Camera only captures like 5 seats

I might’ve been on stream if the stream was on during the switch from NOVA hypervisor to Geerts Managarm talk

[rare spoke]

the stream is pretty laggy

keeps cutting

[rose gazelle]

Yeah

It’s unfortunate

Lets hope the VOD is better

[livid dome]

oh damn it i missed geert's talk

[gritty sentinel]

watch the vod

[livid dome]

where

i could only find the live stream with horrible audio lol

[gritty sentinel]

it'll be up after the day

or sunday

[rose gazelle]

It might take a few days

[verbal seal]

If you wanted to know what I look like

Might be easier to meetup given this information

[pine surge]

do you know when that'll be available?

oh sunday ?

cool

[rose gazelle]

Unlikely. Give it a few days

[pine surge]

oki

[vocal obsidian]

are you guys at the nerd convention

[livid dome]

they in fact are

[rose gazelle]

Yes

[pine surge]

am not

i wish i was

[vocal obsidian]

cool, have fun

[pine surge]

maybe next year

[idle pumice]

Oh that was you lol

Cool

I was the guy that did the question to the Redox guy that took the whole 2 minutes

How was the managarm talk

[left ridge]

yeah, now i know

could've made our "encounter" less awkward(?)

i don't even know if you know who i was and where i was but i would've liked to say hello

kinda hard to do that though if you have no idea what you look like or where you could be lol

[verbal seal]

I could not focus on the talk, the speaker was 🥵🥵🥵 /j

Joke aside I found the talk pretty good :)

[left ridge]

bruh

he's taken

[idle pumice]

@hybrid flax get a load of this

[verbal seal]

lol don't ping him 😭

[left ridge]

too late

[idle pumice]

I honestly preferred it a lot to the Redox one, the Redox one was way more difficult to follow

[past scaffold]

cant wait to see the ironcland and managarm talk vods

[verbal seal]

Yeah I wasn't able to follow

[gloomy egret]

Ngl I almost felt asleep 🥲

[left ridge]

the redox talk sucked

[idle pumice]

The ironclad one is tomorrow, and now that I know you both are in there, if you don't show up, you are banned

Hope you understand

[gloomy egret]

I’ll follow @verbal seal 😇

[left ridge]

next year ill do a Vinix talk bet

[verbal seal]

Yeah I didn't know you were there sorry, I would have been really happy to meet

[verbal seal]

simp

[idle pumice]

I'll follow on my threat I am not joking

[gloomy egret]

Fake news

[left ridge]

i will be there tomorrow for the Ironclad talk of course

[verbal seal]

Me too

[left ridge]

i was the person that said "oh that was Monax" to Dennis outside the hall when you where with your friends talking, you heard me, looked towards me, then went away along with your friend group

social interaction/10

[gloomy egret]

I wasn’t with her I think 👀
Otherwise I would tell her « hey that’s one of your fan »

[left ridge]

lol

[gloomy egret]

Go talk to them

[verbal seal]

I might have heard my name but didn't see who said that, tbh I got very nervous it was a lot of people to interact with

[left ridge]

understandable

that's what we thought

[idle pumice]

I don't really know what the guy answered to my question tbh

The talk was good but yeah it got a bit difficult to follow

[verbal seal]

I'll be way less friends tomorrow so I should have the social energy to do a proper meet with you guys

[pine surge]

I'll be way less friends tomorrow
- evil monax

[verbal seal]

[pine surge]

is that menhera-chan :3

[dawn pond]

how can we watch this from afar

[rare spoke]

there are streams on the fosdem page for every room

but they suck

so you should wait for VODs

[left ridge]

i think i saw someone with a blahaj hat here

[verbal seal]

I'm here if anyone wants https://bytenight.brussels/

[hybrid flax]

LMAO

thank you hahahahahah

[hybrid flax]

I'm not

😳😳😳😳

[rose gazelle]

I’ll back you on it

[rose gazelle]

Until when is this?

[verbal seal]

Dunno the site says nothing about that

[rose gazelle]

I see. Idk we might join after the microkernel devroom dinner but it’s not close to us

And we’re still at the dinner

[verbal seal]

I don't know if I'll stay for long

[rose gazelle]

We went back to the Airbnb so we’ll see you tomorrow

[left ridge]

oh?

damn

[idle pumice]

Well you guys know what to do

[verbal seal]

Today's fit

[past scaffold]

OBOS logo on backpack

[rose gazelle]

Managarm current location: outside ADA devroom

[vague sapphire]

hell yeah

I couldn't make it to FOSDEM 💔 - i have school rn and wayy too much stuff to prepare for school

[idle pumice]

How was the talk @verbal seal

Bugs aside

Which I will punish myself with

[past scaffold]

Is there a link

[idle pumice]

No there isn't

(there is but I'm ashamed of the bugging)

[past scaffold]

😢

[gloomy egret]

Naaah it was ok

It was very interesting

[gritty sentinel]

there isn't

your talk is still in review

[idle pumice]

Hell yeah

[past scaffold]

i mean didnt an iphone triple fault during a presentation or something like that

shit like that happens all the time

[idle pumice]

It's pretty common

[rose gazelle]

Windows 98 printer BSOD moment yeah

[verbal seal]

It was good, I liked the "Hardware devs are silly" 🪿

(and you have the cutest project logo )

[idle pumice]

thanks

[gritty sentinel]

🦭

[pine surge]

🦭

i should explore ironclad and gloire one day

[vague sapphire]

🦭

ironclad seal my beloved

[rose gazelle]

[real ether]

Aw man that's really cool but all that needs to be rendered is gnu.org /runs

[fair palm]

yo whats the github pag

[vital nebula]

gnu mentioned?

[verbal seal]

Of the Project ? https://github.com/skift-org/skift

[verbal seal]

Progress on google.com

[vital nebula]

if this web browser gets good skift could genuinely be a viable main

could easily replace the likes of ChromeOS at the very least if hardware support is good

[ebon bobcat]

on one hand I agree but getting a usable browser is practically impossible with the size of the web standards, then making it decently fast is a whole different thing

maybe if they just wrote the html/css engine and ported a JS engine it could be possible, idrk

[vital nebula]

i mean for google to even be in this broken state they'd need a pretty damn good JS engine so they are already almost there

[rare spoke]

No

I don't think there's a JS engine yet

[vital nebula]

oh damn, thats pretty impressive then

[ebon bobcat]

you wouldn't need a JS engine for this point

google's homepage is incredibly simple and easy to write an engine for in comparison to the rest of the web

obviously hard and impressive, but not in comparison to other webpages

[vital nebula]

ok i thought you would, every browser ive used without js can't render googles homepage

namely netsurf

[ebon bobcat]

also look into QuickJS-NG, it's a maintained version of QuickJS and it's a very portable lightweight JS engine you could maybe plug in which is fairly complete and even occasionally beats V8 in speed (I know SkiftOS has a bit of a NIH mindset but idk if there's certain things you'd make exceptions for so I thought I'd mention)

[fading whale]

you could also just port a web engine to skift

not sure how easy that is considering skift doesnt implement posix

[mild mulch]

like a web browser?

[fading whale]

a web browser is much more than a web engine

[mild mulch]

bc they are working on one

[fading whale]

yes

a web browser used a web engine to render everything

but web browser also have bookmarks, pdf viewers, extensions and so on

[mild mulch]

ye, they have a custom engine

[fading whale]

not sure what you mean

they are built on top of engines

[mild mulch]

https://github.com/skift-org/skift/tree/main/src/web

look here

[fading whale]

oh you meant they as in skift?

[mild mulch]

yes

[fading whale]

I thought you were referring to broswers in general

[mild mulch]

nope, the vaev browser in skift

[fading whale]

tbh I would rather write my own mlibc than browser engine

so much easier probably

[mild mulch]

yeah def XD

[quaint zephyr]

also boring for the most part as there are literally hundreds of functions in posix most of which you just make call a sysdep + do an error check + errno assign

[fading whale]

writing a web engine must be pretty entertaining not going to lie

but also a pain considering how broken html code often time is

[mild mulch]

css mostly XD

[fading whale]

xhtml must be nice

yes

but also html often time works without ending tags and other stuff

and people actually write their html like that

and it is expected of your web engine to handle that

[mild mulch]

yeah, but css likes to break layouts and be very hard to work with

[quaint zephyr]

the html spec has a parsing algorithm that works with invalid stuff

[fading whale]

ew

[quaint zephyr]

its nice because you don't need to come up with it yourself

and its like 2800 lines in c++ when I implemented it (which also seems to match roughly what the skift web browser has)

[ebon bobcat]

i wrote a html parser that was only like 500 lines. here is the algorithm as to how it deals with invalid stuff:

• throw an error
• ...

[verbal seal]

Better handling of inline formatting and basic SVG support

[gritty sentinel]

fyi you censored the username here but not above :P

[verbal seal]

This one was not taken on my machine so the user name is someone else

[gritty sentinel]

ah

[wraith drift]

Awesome!

[idle quartz]

nice!

[sinful mauve]

holy

so when youtube

[fading whale]

WebGL Aquarium when

[vast marten]

Web version of vscode when

[crude shadow]

https://github.com/codespaces

[vast marten]

aw man

seems to work tho so..

[timber goblet]

https://vscode.dev

[vast marten]

That's really not the point ._.

[gritty sentinel]

what are you talking about

[vast marten]

People were humorously asking when complex content could be displayed and I added to that

https://tenor.com/view/crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-5319192

[gritty sentinel]

but vscode.dev is vscode web

wtf

[vast marten]

????

Why does it matter what the link to it is

[gritty sentinel]

?????????????????????????

why did you say "that's not really the point"

[timber goblet]

i don't get it

[gritty sentinel]

i'm so lost

[vast marten]

Are we seeing the same messages

[gritty sentinel]

you are talking in puzzles

[vast marten]

1. sleepy_monax showed a screenshot of Google being displayed on their browser.
2. Someone else asked when YouTube could be displayed on the browser (as a joke).
3. Another person, again, as a joke, asked when WebGL aquarium could be displayed.
4. To add to the joke, I asked when VSCode Web (an example of a pretty complex web app) could be displayed

[gritty sentinel]

ok

and what does this mean then

[vast marten]

The link to the web version of VSCode isn't really relevant to the joke

[verbal seal]

Fell free to contribute ;)

[vast marten]

I get you're continuing the joke but just for the note I wasn't the one who started it 😅

[trim spindle]

any updates?

[verbal seal]

Starting a three-week vacation, I hope to make some nice progress on Skift :)

[idle quartz]

‼️

[verbal seal]

Finally got around implementing PNG decoding

And made some art along the way :)

[past scaffold]

the format itself is pretty nice and simple

but i remember inflate took me 3 weeks to understand and make an impl

or maybe it was 2 idk, a long time

[timber goblet]

what is inflate ?

[past scaffold]

deconstructing data from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflate

[timber goblet]

oh thanks

[verbal seal]

The filtering part is a bit fiddly, but the rest is straightforward

[wraith drift]

awesome! 🤩

[fading whale]

#when-your-os-goes-crazy

[silk merlin]

Writing a PNG decoder was a lot of fun :) One day I'll actually finish mine with Adam7 support and whatnot...

[verbal seal]

I postponed adam7 support too because I'm not sure how its supposed to interact with filtering

[verbal seal]

The media player is now working; it can play simple WAVE files

[verbal seal]

Sharing this talk I gave to the OXP, it's about paper-muncher a tool I developed at work based on the web engine in skiftOS https://www.youtube.com/live/pLOrvovZ9uM?si=saP-osEzpLqxqU6M&t=2081

If you like it maybe I'll do one on a different subject at fosdem but still need to think about it

[verbal seal]

I added more "professional" adjustments to the image editor

With working auto adjustment

[verbal seal]

I finally got the motivation to work on the actual OS back, I fixed some IPC bugs, improved my RPC framework, and implemented shared memory graphical surfaces. It's not interactive yet, but FINALY apps can render in the shell.

[ebon bobcat]

lesgo skiftOS is backkkk

(I mean never really gone but ykwim)

[wraith drift]

Awesome!

[verbal seal]

Event dispatch and window redraw implemented

[hollow swallow]

this os looks like if you dont use gpu drivers the world will end

nice 👍

[verbal seal]

I can do more than 60fps easily on a single core, and the code is barely optimised

[hollow swallow]

insane

[verbal seal]

Yup CPUs are fast!

[hollow swallow]

unless google chrome

[gaunt lake]

I've once used llvm-pipe for like 3 weeks before noticing I don't have a GPU driver, including for watching YouTube. And I only noticed cause I wanted to do some opengl meme and saw the vendor is llvm-pipe... CPUs really are fast.

[verbal seal]

I'm building a browser for skift and with correct clipping rendering web document is not that heavy on the CPU

[hollow swallow]

this seems difficult

like making a web browser

[verbal seal]

I got pretty far, it's capable of rendering google dot com

[hollow swallow]

yooooo

nice

youtube when

[verbal seal]

Fixed a bug in the kernel and implemented window closing

Also working on another design for the mouse cursor

[hollow swallow]

how did you not have window closing

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[verbal seal]

I just got the UI library working for real on the OS, so I need to add all the basic features into the window server ;)

[hollow swallow]

ooh

[verbal seal]

I have procastinated on this for like two years

[hollow swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423054245430694053/1423055104952504450/cat_bomb.gif

[verbal seal]

To be fair, the kernel had the full task life cycle ready; I just needed to send a message to the server to properly destroy the window

[shadow eagle]

Underrated project

[wild glen]

why must I enable js to access the website?

[hollow swallow]

why do you not have javascript enabled in the first place

what websites are you on 😭

[wild glen]

there shouldn't be any need for js on an actual website (as in not a webapp) except for surveillance

capchas are an exception

[hollow swallow]

graphical effects

we do need them for pretty because otherwise people wont like

what about online shopping

and blog comments

are these apparently webapps?

[wild glen]

that's pretty dumb and may make my perfect CPU lag

[hollow swallow]

pentium 2 mmx?

[hollow swallow]

no but deadass consider these

[wild glen]

I do consider online shopping a webapp, but blog comments can be just server-side with forms for input

[wild glen]

it does support mmx

it's a modern CPU

[hollow swallow]

oh ok

nice

[wild glen]

yeah modern as in a core2duo

[hollow swallow]

i was going to make a joke here but that isnt THAT bad

[wild glen]

clocked at 2.00 GHz :)

[hollow swallow]

nvm it's probably that bad
-# i have a core2 at 2.8 ghz for my other laptop

consider upgrading ngl

[wild glen]

yeah it's fine even for extreme gaming

[hollow swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

what games

[wild glen]

oh really? I may consider overclocking then

[hollow swallow]

maybe

[wild glen]

doom and Wolfenstein 3D

also supertux and supertuxkarts

[hollow swallow]

based game choice but these are very old

[wraith drift]

ah yes, ofc, only the most extreme of games

[hollow swallow]

they run even on the gasses from my farts i dont think thats exactly extreme

[wild glen]

it runs the latest minecraft of a few months ago with like 60 FPS at a 12 render distance

[wraith drift]

it's minecraft, ain't that hard to run

[hollow swallow]

minecraft on a pregnancy test

we got doom alr

[wraith drift]

I mean hey, you do you, but a core2duo does seem kind of old

[wild glen]

it does struggle with compiling the linux kernel

[hollow swallow]

oops wrong channel

[wild glen]

are you from iran?

[wild glen]

that was in reply to rhe deleted message

[hollow swallow]

no

in america rn

[wild glen]

we get those all the time here, like at least 80% of websites block us while we block like less than 20 websites I know

intel, google, gitlab, golang are a few that come to mind

[hollow swallow]

getting blocked by google is big misery

[wild glen]

everyone has a vpn now tbh

[wraith drift]

I don't 🤣

[wild glen]

I was talking about people from iran

[wraith drift]

ah

okie then

don't mind me :3

[hollow swallow]

we mind you

get a vpn NOW /j

anyways

[verbal seal]

It's an old website I built using react, I'm building a new one that doesn't use any js ;)

[shadow eagle]

J*vascript

[verbal seal]

The new website, way more minimalist; this way I have a good shot at being able to render it using the browser 😅

[hollow swallow]

mmm

nice

pride flag jumpscare :0

[verbal seal]

*progress flag

[hollow swallow]

a

ok fair

[verbal seal]

I wrote a proper spec around Fuchsia's bootfs format
https://github.com/cute-engineering/ce-bootfs
This repo includes the spec, Python generator, and C parser

I mean to use it as the ramdisk format for skiftOS

The main advantage over other formats is that lookup is fast and everything is page-aligned

[shadow scarab]

Nice! you should tell them, in their discord server.

[rare spoke]

Or just @ geist here

[verbal seal]

Working on the terminal

[prisma wraith]

nice

[timber goblet]

good

[verbal seal]

Hey, if anyone here is going to FOSDEM, I’ll be presenting a talk about skiftOS in the microkernel and component-based OS dev room

[hollow swallow]

put a rickroll in it

[verbal seal]

Boomer meme

[hollow swallow]

put a tralalero tralala in it

[idle quartz]

‼️

[gritty sentinel]

i will be there

[verbal seal]

I move the project to codeberg https://codeberg.org/skift/os

[gritty sentinel]

rip stars

[verbal seal]

I will probably keep the old repository as a mirror, but yeah rip stars

[verbal seal]

These past two days I have:

• Introduced a new IRQ delivery scheme from kernel to userspace.
• Introduced a general framework for writing system components and handling client sessions.
• Got rid of the stupid bus and replaced it with a component manager.

Now I have two days to fix all the bugs and regressions, implement the VFS back, port Doom, and get the browser running

[gritty sentinel]

see you there

[verbal seal]

I have BANGER slides

The QR code is not final

It's a place holder

[north flame]

looks very fancy!

[verbal seal]

thanks

[verbal seal]

It's DONE 🥹

https://codeberg.org/skift/karm/commit/b6a688790ea823aa0512cdfb67123486973e9afe
https://codeberg.org/skift/os/commit/48a3d815cb401875162d50a021173d080e43139e

[gritty sentinel]

zamn

this kinda motivates me to make a microkernel

[gritty sentinel]

@verbal seal I'm not Arsen

(sorry we had to bounce for the os-test talk)

[verbal seal]

wat

[gritty sentinel]

wait

[verbal seal]

bruh

[gritty sentinel]

was that not you in the microkernel devroom

someone asked if i was Arsen

[idle quartz]

Banger presentation at fosdem

[verbal seal]

The video of my presentation is now available

https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/PA7Z9R-skift/

[verbal seal]

I did a big refresh of the UI

[spare coyote]

does it support scaling?

[verbal seal]

dpi scaling? yes !

[spare coyote]

ooh nice

[hollow swallow]

add blur

[verbal seal]

Would be epic, I need to cook a better kernel for it tho, stack blur is not fast enough for doing large scale blur on the cpu

[hollow swallow]

fair

[wooden canyon]

Looks nice

[sinful dove]

Bro I wanna ask where did you learn assemby? That's crazy impressive!

[verbal seal]

It's all C++ barly any asm at all

[sinful dove]

Then how did you even manage to make whole os?

What about the kernal? Was it made in C++ Too?

[verbal seal]

Yeah with some tiny piece of ASM

[sinful dove]

Ooh..........

[indigo otter]

btw I saw that you mentioned Managarm when talking about your bootloader

very nice talk in general 👍

[quiet mural]

ooo

gnome if it was based

[vocal oak]

did you make a entire WM from scratch?

did it use like wayland or x11 or did you also make a display manager

[verbal seal]

Everything is from scratch

[vocal oak]

WOAH

and it looks so modern lol

wait WTF did you also made a mobile os

[verbal seal]

Yes the UI is responsive

[shadow eagle]

You were my motivation to do OSDev

[wooden canyon]

same funnily enough

nowadays i think astral is cooler since i want to port stuff and not write it all on my own

this is awesome though-

[quiet mural]

i think writigng stuff from scratch is cooler

🤓

astral is very cool though

[wraith drift]

mine too lol

[hollow swallow]

mine was microsoft powerpoint

if ykyk

im certain everyone, yes, everyone made fake os's in powerpoint

otherwise you just aint a REAL os developer

[wooden canyon]

*google slides

[hollow swallow]

no i was a pirate

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-off-mngani-spartan-gif-23659873

powerpoint 2010 or i felt fancy i ran powerpoint 2007

i had every single powerpoint version in existence

except i was too stupid to understand how to use office 2003

[verbal seal]

*vb.net

[hollow swallow]

scratch*

[gritty sentinel]

i made a windows 9 in 2015

[hollow swallow]

what did it look like

also might go afk

[gritty sentinel]

like a powerpoint

[hollow swallow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lol-thrown

[idle quartz]

I didn't. Checkmate liberal

I did try making one in Java though when I was like 14

(Just some shitty fullscreen app)

[hollow swallow]

TIL 14 year olds vary in stupidity

[wraith drift]

Well it wasn't in powerpoint, but I did make a fake os in GameMaker

[hollow swallow]

im convinced my point is proven

everyone here made a fake os once

[vocal oak]

no i made one in scratch when i was 89

8*

i made it in scratch not from scratch D:

[verbal seal]

One more screen of the UI refresh

[vocal oak]

and im now 15 D:

[hollow swallow]

im worried you made scratch

whichever one ran on the pdp 11

[hollow swallow]

this crap looks like an operating system of some sort frfr 🗣️ 🔥

at least it's more unique than the entirety of astral

no but this is actually pretty good

[rare spoke]

Why bring others down?

It's not a competition, they're both doing their own thing

[hollow swallow]

i was joking

do be true tho

[wraith drift]

Astral slander will not be tolerated >:3

[hollow swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734354115567812659/1476011101375435002/lololol.gif

[gritty sentinel]

port the ui to x11 or wayland

[hollow swallow]

unix shills are everywhere these days

[gritty sentinel]

x11 runs on windows

[hollow swallow]

i think at this point windows is a unix too

[gritty sentinel]

unix is love unix is life

life is a file

[timber goblet]

i was 13 my i started my current OS

[wooden canyon]

same lol

[spare coyote]

I used to do cosmos oses...

Huge pile of junk

[spare coyote]

My first C kernel when I was 13 looked like this...

(kernel shell with horrible code)

[hollow swallow]

i am literally 14 right now

i also did tho

i had like 45000 rewrites because i joined the server

yall know too much

[hollow swallow]

this is starter os in a nutshell

qemu text mode

grub2

kernel shell

[timber goblet]

my os when i was 13 actually had a userspace shell

[hollow swallow]

i didnt know what a pmm did in my first os

i was following some crappy yt tutorial too

i rewrote the idiot when i realized i needed a framebuffer

then after some time i on powerpc lololol

[timber goblet]

i actually never rewrote from scratch i just rewrote some part (like the old shitty vfs)

[hollow swallow]

fair

mine had to be started from scratch because i cant tolerate codebases i dont like somehow

[timber goblet]

i just rewrite the part i don't like :D and if i realise there is another part i don't like i rewrite it later
i'm pretty patient so rewriting the thing multiple time do not bother me

[hollow swallow]

i somehow dont go insane with the resets

i think i just learned to write code that can satisfy myself

so hopefully ill just nuke everything less

[timber goblet]

how far is your OS today

do you have a thread for it

[hollow swallow]

im rewriting my bootloader because the last one got nuked due to filesystem errors, im trying to get my kernel loaded (its on powerpc)

[hollow swallow]

#1425248601604620328

[hollow swallow]

i have a git repo now

[hollow swallow]

yes i can jump from keyboard input into kernel loading thats surprisingly viable

[timber goblet]

let's continue in it

[hollow swallow]

k

[quiet mural]

just found the website, waow, this is very cool

:D

I am a bit curious why is clang a dependency? is there something in there where GCC won't work?

^v^

[quiet mural]

don't think brew has cutekit

:<

imma just use spare fedora box lol

7th gen i5 so it won't be fast but oh well

[livid dome]

bro it's not that hard https://github.com/cute-engineering/cutekit?tab=readme-ov-file#installation

took me about 5 second to find

[quiet mural]

sorry

student@Student-X0079504-CQQTNH93NQ~/os $ python3 -m pip install cutekit
Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not writeable
ERROR: Ignored the following versions that require a different python version: 0.10.0 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.10.1 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.10.2 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.10.3 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.10.4 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.10.5 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.10.6 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.10.7 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.11.0 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.11.1 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.9.3 Requires-Python >=3.11; 0.9.4 Requires-Python >=3.11
ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement cutekit (from versions: none)
ERROR: No matching distribution found for cutekit
student@Student-X0079504-CQQTNH93NQ~/os $

[quiet mural]

are there prebuilt images somewhere I could not find any

🥹

[wooden canyon]

https://copy.sh/v86/?profile=skift well there is this

[quiet mural]

ohhh thanks :)

[wooden canyon]

Else you'll have to build it yourself.

the v86 one seems kinda outdated tbh

[verbal seal]

Finally got a proper vfs, I'm no longer mapping the ramdisk in every process

[shadow eagle]

Pretty

[spare coyote]

you were what 💀

[timber tangle]

my first one was at 11
vibecoded

[vocal oak]

how old are you rn?

[timber tangle]

13

[vocal oak]

oh lol

im wondering how tf do you have ai when your 11

[timber tangle]

what do you mean

gemini ai studio

(back then ai was shit)

[vocal oak]

true

[spare coyote]

my code was all from tutorials lol

[timber tangle]

i have never even seen tutorials (except gcc cross compiler, ai recommended it)
ai did everything

[north flame]

You had Discord at age 7!?

[timber tangle]

i dont answer questions

[shadow eagle]

maaan

[prisma wraith]

lol my os is older than half the people on the server

not older than half the people's OSes, older than the humans

it would be legally old enough to drink this November

[fading whale]

so 18 or 21?

[prisma wraith]

18

im british!

[night wedge]

then why not "gdt innit ok"?

[prisma wraith]

could be, innit!

but im thinking of a new name entirely, havent decided yet

[quiet mural]

Is this dead

[mild mulch]

doesn't seem like so

there are pushes being made in GH

[quiet mural]

Ah

[verbal seal]

Finally got some energy+motivation to work on skiftOS. I added mmap'able clock and a job DAG into the kernel. I also fix a bunch of file system regression that prevented Doom from running 😅 Now I should have all the required building block for adding a console and a shell to the OS :)

[verbal seal]

I'm going full Plan 9: every service now behaves like a FUSE filesystem that can be mounted. Each process either inherits a namespace or gets its own, and within that namespace other services can be mounted; or overlaid on top of each other, unionfs-like.