#new rotor and pads metal grind noise?

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nova arch
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I recently replaced the rear brake pads, rotors, and all hardware clips on my 2007 Lexus ES350. Right after the work, both rear wheels began making a metallic grinding/rubbing sound while coasting at low speed. It’s not a squeal and it’s not only when I press the pedal—it’s a steady metal-on-metal scrape that was loudest on the first drive and has gotten a little quieter after a few miles, but it’s still clearly noticeable. The first set of new rotors even left metal flakes, so I replaced them with a different brand. The second set made the same grinding/rubbing sound, just without flakes.

To rule things out, I removed the entire brake assembly on each side. I loosened the parking-brake adjuster until the rotors spun silently with the caliper and pads off, so the e-brake shoes are not touching. I then cleaned and reinstalled the caliper brackets, pads, and calipers. I checked the slide pins—they move smoothly with just a slight suction feel from the rubber boots, no binding or stiffness. After reassembly and proper torque, the noise persisted exactly the same.

I also double-checked the hardware setup. Using the same clip layout with the old pads and rotors, I confirmed the old parts made no noise at all. The only difference when reinstalling the old hardware was that I used one squeal clip on each pad instead of two. Despite matching the previous clip arrangement otherwise, the grinding/rubbing remained.

So far I know the parking brake isn’t dragging, the slide pins are free, and the rotors are brand new and evenly torqued. The grinding remains only with the calipers installed and is loudest at low speed while coasting. I’m wondering if the problem is something subtle like the dust shield touching the rotor, a rotor that isn’t sitting perfectly flush on the hub, or a pad or clip alignment issue that isn’t obvious when everything is apart.

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i have a video clip if u want

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its getting anoying im desperate

nova arch
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@prisma pendant

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its killing me man

nova arch
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want the video clips

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listen to when ipass the red car

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@torn belfry

torn belfry
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I'm saving the distress nuke for later

How does it spin when jacked up?

Have you blasted it with braklean lol?

nova arch
torn belfry
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BRUH

Don't even bother, it's mint

That literally spins cleaner than any wheel I've dealt with my life

nova arch
torn belfry
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It's just that that's the longest I've seen a wheel spin, I don't care if it's touching a bit

mortal dagger
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Make sure to torque everything to spec

nova arch
torn belfry
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I've never seen a single brake in my life that doesn't scrape

mortal dagger
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And use ceramic pads

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did you install the pad shims ?

nova arch
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I’m using hawk performance pads they still shouldn’t be scraping

torn belfry
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I'm telling you, you did everything right, and the hardware is fine

Maybe it'll stop after a few hundred miles, maybe it won't

If it's not noticeably slowing a free spinning wheel it's fine

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The fact that your fronts don't scrape is crazy to me as I've never seen non scraping brakes on any vehicle

mortal dagger
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My brakes dont scrape.

torn belfry
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Damn maybe I've been living inside a simulation

I even went to a random shop a few weeks ago and asked a mech if brakes should slightly drag, and they said yes 😭

nova arch
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Yes pad drag is normal but not that fucking metal scrape noise

torn belfry
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It's not wheel bearings

You said you installed one squeal clip when testing the old hardware

Have you tried installing one clip with the new pads?

nova arch
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no not yet i will soon

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by soon i mean next time im off

nova arch
torn belfry
torn belfry
nova arch
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SO is it a grind noise or scapring

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i cant tell if its normal or not my fronts dont do it why the rears with new gear but old gear no noise

torn belfry
nova arch
torn belfry
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So you physically can't see anything?

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Shining a light on other side and nothing scrapes when spinning the rotor with pads on?

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||haha twas I who secretly put a speaker that plays scraping sounds when a laser detects rpm from the wheel 😈 ||

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torn belfry
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Easiest way to determine where it's scraping lol

nova arch
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torn belfry
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torn belfry
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They take like 500 miles to break in

nova arch
torn belfry
nova arch
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the rears oem centric the only difrence in the rear is it has the e brake system

torn belfry
nova arch
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how does tht response help my situation?

torn belfry
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Because it's clearly possible in the real world that brakes don't scrape

nova arch
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ya but

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i need to figure out why my new ones r scraping but old arnt

torn belfry
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I personally would wait till 500 miles

Then check with flashlight

Then remove the second squealer if that's the problem

nova arch
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torn belfry
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torn belfry
# nova arch they arnt squeeking thio they have a metalic grind sound when coasting

Just found this haha thought try at your own risk

"Update: believe this is the culprit

https://ibb.co/XtrYNxv

Looks like part of the hardware clip is rubbing the rotor I’m gonna just try to stick a flathead in and try to bend the clips away from rotors to see if it fixes the issue

Update #2: just bent the hardware clips where they were making contact with the rotor and is no longer making any scraping/grinding sound. Cheers!"

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Also do look into your brakes first with a bright background so see what touches

nova arch
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I don’t see what’s touching tho

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Can you remix the photo and point it out

nova arch
torn belfry
prisma pendant
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When I have encountered this in the past, two things I have found. 1, the metal clips that attach to the caliper bracket, were slightly misaligned and were touching the rotor. I’m referring to the little metal pieces at the bottom of this pic

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2, a dust shield on the back got bent a little and is touching the rotor

nova arch
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Not a hood test because the lug nut wasn’t in but

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The pad clips don’t like staying in but wants the pads are in it’s fine

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I used the same bracket clips for the old pads and rotors the only thing different was the squeel clips

nova arch
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the bracket clips dont stay put like the old ones and the squeel clips kinda move around like ther enot molded in

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idk if thts causing it but im running out of ideas

torn belfry
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prisma pendant
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Your rotors look like they have set screws - should hold them in place without the wheel & lug nuts on?

prisma pendant
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Ah

nova arch
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thus blows

prisma pendant
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Those metal clips - try adjusting them slightly inward or outward. I’d bet one of them is contacting the rotor. Use a couple lug nuts and stacked them with washers to seat the rotor as if the wheel was installed, that’s how you’ll need to troubleshoot this

nova arch
prisma pendant
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The ones circled in orange above - the lower ones. They’re larger. As you noted in your video, they don’t quite seat entirely unless the pads are there. Those.

nova arch
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do u think tht could be it tho

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prisma pendant
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It’ll reduce the life of the rotors, so it’s worth spending a bit of time trying to sort out. If nothing else, as a learning experience. So the edges of those clips are likely contacting the rotor, the pads will keep them from moving up and down but I’m talking about slightly shifting them from side to side. But the first thing to do is engineer a way to hold the rotor in place as if the wheel was there; without the wheel there. Once you can do that, you can watch the outside edge of the rotor from the outside edge (as if you’re trying to look through the grooves of the rotor) and you’ll see what’s making contact.

nova arch
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wouldnt lugnuts just do the trick?

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and when im rotating it where exactlyt do i look its hard to see

prisma pendant
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You might not need washers, but see if you put the lug nuts on all the way if it seats the rotor all the way.

nova arch
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wht will i look for i tried this before its hard to hear and see when the pads r rubbing the rotor

prisma pendant
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Make sure car is supported by jackstands if it isn’t already. You’ll be spinning the wheel and watching/listening anywhere you can see and hear. Carefully stick your head in the wheel well and look in on top of the brake caliper as if you were looking through it to the rotor, and you’ll can watch to see if and what makes contact as you spin it

nova arch
prisma pendant
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That’s what I’m betting it is but that’s only an educated guess on my part

nova arch