can I cover this up myself without sanding or respraying?

[lethal wolf]

Reversed into a pillar at my apartment building

[cedar rapids]

Nah fam. That has to be stripped, repaired and repainted. Just make an insurance claim.

[lethal wolf]

I don’t want to lose my no claims over it will prob do it private how much would that be ?

[outer lagoon]

Get a couple estimates from local body shops. Tell them it’s not an insurance job but you’ll pay them directly. Pricing varies too wildly for us to speculate on the Internet.

[rugged raven]

It’s a 2 panel respray with needing feathering down to metal and blending. It will be around $1,500 Canadian

[cedar rapids]

Sounds about right

[stray dirge]

i'd say try doing it yourself, 1500 is hell of alot, even if you fail just the stuff you'll learn will make it much easier when you try again🤷‍♂️

[pure flint]

this is an easy fix ngl

[stray dirge]

fr

[pure flint]

Yea anyways @lethal wolf literally do it yourself, this is an easy fix

No need to get an estimate from local shops. Those guys will fleece you

Here's a simple DIY video you can watch and get a good idea of how to get started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjKBI5-3UnA&ab_channel=DIYDick

[outer lagoon]

That’s down too deep. It needs paint.

[stray dirge]

yeah, but you can paint it yourself and save hundreds of dollars

[rugged raven]

?

[rugged raven]

?

@stray dirge @pure flint this is not a PDR or scratch removal repair. You cannot fix this without refinishing

Refinishing equipment is hella expensive too (ask me how I know) he will save money by bringing it in.

It needs to be feathered, epoxy, sealer + paint and cleared

[rugged raven]

A 20cfm compressor alone costs that much (which he will need)

Refinishing a car is only worth it; if you are refinishing the WHOLE car

[rugged raven]

You obviously don’t know what you are talking about and have no experience or say in the matter

[rugged raven]

Buddy the coating is visibly chipped and way to deep. You can only sand out if it is clear coat scratch

[rugged raven]

wtf are you on; explain how this is an easy fix for a noob. Also list all of the refinishing equipment and prices please if you are gonna say that

[stray dirge]

bud i've repainted both an entire car, and also portions

you really don't need alot of specialized equipment to do a decent diy job

[rugged raven]

Sure….

[stray dirge]

no reason to get so defensive either, we're just letting you know our thoughts

if you don't want to do it yourself then go ahead and cough up the cash to have someone else do it

[rugged raven]

Aight what equipment did u use

[rugged raven]

Dude idk what you are on legit, he will save money. What u are promoting is a joke

[stray dirge]

a pneumatic spray gun from a local store, some paint, and sandpaper from my buddies garage, and some soray can clearcoat

[rugged raven]

U need spraying equipment, especially if it is a metallic

[stray dirge]

worked well enough for our purposes

[stray dirge]

naaah honestly not that much

[rugged raven]

Good luck matching the mica or aluminum flakes with the oem paint

[rugged raven]

Is that a joke?

[stray dirge]

yea

[rugged raven]

Explain to me how he is gonna blend the panels

[stray dirge]

buy some of the oem paint, idk what paint or what brand of car that is, but most cars you can get the oem paint for

[rugged raven]

This is out of a noobs hands

[rugged raven]

Dude that is not what I am saying. Again I doubt your experience if you don’t know what I am even talking about lol

[stray dirge]

i don't have any large sums of experience, i'm just saying i've done diy jobs myself that turned out alright

[floral pine]

GG @stray dirge, you just advanced to level 5! Chat more to level up and earn top roles!

[stray dirge]

it all depends on how perfect you need to get it, and how much you're willing to spend

[rugged raven]

Well good for you. With something like this you have to worry about peeling, shrinking, sand scratch shrinking, curing, temp etc. using a princess auto gun will not give you results. The cheapest air gun on the market that is decent is around $300 still alone. Also experience is huge with this and precautions need to be taken as u are dealing with bare metal and multiple layers of chemicals

Refinishing isn’t a job that is easy to diy and last

That is the main thing, a job that lasts

[rugged raven]

The flakes on the paint have to be sprayed on in a specific way so that it matches oem. If you use a shitty spray gun or have an ungrounded piece with static the flakes can go on in a different way from factory and look like a completely different paint.

This is also why solid colours are super easy to spray and refinish. Which is why even though I bought metallic paint; I realized in the future if I wanna do a repair, it is just easier if it was solid paint instead. Hence why I switching up. Don’t have to worry about “Flop”, heavy spray swirls, and etc. Also with solid colours; u can apply the paint and clear on at the same time as a mix (single stage).

But ya this is definitely a job for somebody with experience

[outer lagoon]

The above comment showed a YouTube video for fixing a bumper scuff without doing any paint work. What OP needs is 1000% more involved than what shaboom is suggesting it is. At least you seem to have an idea how involved of a project it is to fix this right - and even then, if OP has never done body work before, it will not come out right. They’ll put in a ton of work and be disappointed about the results.

[rugged raven]

Really no such thing as oem paint as oem manufacturers use other companies for their paint and even multiple. Don’t think there is an automotive company that directly makes their own paint solvents and chemicals out there. Was talking about the flop as stated

There is an oem paint code though

[rugged raven]

Ya agreed. I don’t even get wtf was the point of that video. Like did broski even see the photo?

The OP even has a clear chip film also, how is the video gonna help out with that. This is not a beginner repair.

[cedar rapids]

OP, especially if this is a new car, make an insurance claim, get it fixed right. Or don’t fork out the money and pay reputable shop to do it.

Heed the advice of Josh and Coffee

[pure flint]

first you sand it with a 120 sand paper, then apply a body filler (bondo body filler the go to), then you sand it again with a 120, then you get ur glazing and finishing filler, then you sand it with 400 sanding paper this time after the filler drys out ofc. After this you use your spray gun and hit the car with a primer and then after 30 mins of the primer drying, you sand it with a 1200 sanding paper. With a 1200 sanding paper you wanna make sure that the area damaged when sanding wont be shiny at all. Now you start with your base coat after getting the right color, you need to coat the damaged area twice 10 mins between each coating just for the area that's been damaged. After 20 mins have passed when the coating has dried out, you hit the car with a clear coat and you wanna make sure that the whole entire quarter panel of the car is cleared along with the door frame

Definitely not a simple task and I'll admit that I didn't notice the deep chip until I enlarged the picture but its still doable if you are careful with your approach

Now if you aren't confident in your self @lethal wolf, and this is definitely not something most individuals would attempt trying because it requires great skill and precision and if you end up messing up your approach it'd take a lot more than couple hundred bucks to fix so in this instance I'd take the advice of @rugged raven and @outer lagoon, or you can also make the insurance claim as @cedar rapids suggested if ur car is new. Im just throwing out my thoughts as a body shop employee because I know it could be costly to patch up that area since most shops upcharge you like crazy

compare pricing between different shops around your area and find the place that you're most comfortable with

[rugged raven]

You don’t sand primer with 1200

[rugged raven]

1200 is after refinishing way too high

[rugged raven]

Bondo is pretty trash, evercoat and 3m is the standard

[rugged raven]

You don’t even your a filler for this repair. Idk what you are on. It’s just a feather needed

[rugged raven]

The main thing is cost. Even if he knew what he was doing. If he had no equipment, no way it will be cheaper.

Also no booth, no suit, no air mask. Asking for isocyanate exposure and imperfections in the paint.

That is the main thing. Refinishing equipment is a high starting cost. Only worth it if you are repainting your whole vehicle and holding on to it for future projects

[rugged raven]

You spray sealer and base coat together with a flash time in between. Not trying to rip on you; but if you don’t you can have adhesion problems, especially if it is up to 1200 grit.

400-600grit on the surfacer primer. Then spray your coat/coats of primer sealer, flash time, then spray ur coats of paint along with using a spray-out-card to check for coverage.

[rugged raven]

They really don’t upcharge, and all the ones that do insurance claims have to be extremely careful with everything they do. The main expense is refinishing supplies. Primer and paint keeps on getting more and more expensive.

[opal field]

Definitely sand it down and paint. I tried it without sanding and the paint job looked awful cause you could still see the outlines of the scratches

[rigid storm]

Yall thinking too much, this is a 200 dollar job not a 1.5k one

[rugged raven]

Ur high lmao

Find me a insurance approved shop with those rates

[rugged raven]

Aight run up the costs then if you know what your talking about. Tell me everything that needs to be done and the costs of each

[rigid storm]

It depends if its his daily efficient car or if its his proud weekend fun car, if its his daily then he can just get a paint match kit and a paintbrush with some clearcoat and 2k and he can just patch it up and no one would notice

i would only do the pricey "proper" way if its an expensive car that ur proud of and show off

[rugged raven]

With a paintbrush 😂

[rigid storm]

theres never one way of doing things

[rugged raven]

Ya right over the scratches, and no corrosion protection

Lmao!

[rigid storm]

Yeah? it gets the job done, and the clearcoat and 2k would give some protection, again this is if its a daily driver that just doesnt need to look run down

Just because your some fancy "proper" painter doesnt mean everyone who gets a slight ding in their car needs to get all this fancy ass expensive equipment to fix a problem they will only ever have once or twice

[rugged raven]

That is not why you fix paint, it is mainly for corrosion protection. Also if u used a brush; first off you can’t apply right over sealer which reduces adhesive second you have to do a lot more work

[rigid storm]

your way too deep into it man take a step back

[rugged raven]

Okay Mr. Brush

[rugged raven]

No, especially if it is water borne you will instantly get corrosion, also without a sealer and proper application you are asking for corrosion and lack of adhesion

[rigid storm]

Its paint. and metal.

[rugged raven]

Also without blending it will look like ass

[rigid storm]

take a brush and take a chill pill

[rugged raven]

U high

Waterborne paint “water”

Also even if it is solvent paint, if it is directly applied over metal it can still cause corrosion

[rigid storm]

Spend less than a hundred bucks doing it my way or do it for 2k and make a slight difference between the two

[rugged raven]

U need a etch primer, or a dtm surfacer

[rugged raven]

Ya but it looks like shit and will rust out lol

[rigid storm]

I would only EVER do it the way ur talking about if its a fancy/nice car

[rigid storm]

After a long time maybe, theres still protection over it

[rugged raven]

That’s not the point, it’s preventing corrosion lmao

[rigid storm]

😨

[rugged raven]

If you brush paint on bare metal it ain’t gonna do shit

[rugged raven]

Especially if that metal is already be exposed

Home Depot tuner fr, lmao

[rigid storm]

No im just being reasonable

i said multiple times i would do it ur way if the car was nice, but it is probably just a daily so it wont matter

[rugged raven]

Doing stuff improper and causing extra damage down the road is not reasonable

I doubt I can trust you to make me a sandwich

[rugged raven]

Dude it’s not just about looks u clown

[rigid storm]

That would do barely any damage dawg you do realize underneath most cars is bare metal right?

💀

[rugged raven]

🤦‍♂️

Thank u for showing ur stupidity

[rigid storm]

Your just extra

People do it my way all the time even on some nicer cars

its just a paint correction

[rugged raven]

Nope

[rigid storm]

Ok. live in ur fantasy then

[rugged raven]

Do you even know how much corrosion protection a car has with oem coatings?

[rugged raven]

Ur living in quite some fantasy for a dumbass

[rigid storm]

you would be a great salesman at a dealership

you could probably sell people air for 50 bucks

[rugged raven]

Aight so you know nothing, was that what the whole conversation was about again

Aight go back to work on ur shit box then

And paint on bare metal

[rigid storm]

No it was about how you could do it your expensive ass extra way or you could be financially responsible and do it the normal way

[rugged raven]

It’s expensive because the corrosion protection coatings are expensive.

[rigid storm]

if everyone did it yoiur way everyone would own a professional painting setup dumbass

[rugged raven]

That is not the normal way 😂

Dude ur living in some dream my guy

If that is normal u be living in a 3rd world country

[rigid storm]

ur the one that told the guy to get a fucking spray gun and professional equipment for a fender scratch

[rugged raven]

Everyone legit does it that way, the people who don’t are dumbass or don’t have insurance

Probably like u

[rigid storm]

????

Ive never even gotten pulled over but sure

[rugged raven]

Which makes sense cause u don’t know a single thing about coatings and what they do

And ur trying to talk? Lmao

[rigid storm]

again your just going to deep into it, according to you i could fix my way by adding a corrosion protection paint cover and it will be just as good as your method minus the professional equipment that costs hundreds

[rugged raven]

No!

Etch, dtm surfacer, sealer + paint + clear

[rigid storm]

yeah no ur full of it

[rugged raven]

That is the only way to properly do it

[rugged raven]

No ur dumb, there is a reason for each coating.

[rigid storm]

i understand what ur saying, and yeah thats the proper way to fix it if you go to a detailer or body shop, but this is a fucking fender scratch and a diy question

[rugged raven]

It’s okay my guy. Some of us are born with extra needs like u. I can explain each one if u want

[rigid storm]

this guy would have just gone to a body shop if he wanted to spend that much on this

[rugged raven]

It doesn’t matter! It’s about corrosion

You have to use an dtm or an etch

Also u have to sand it and feather it

You can’t just paint brush it + it would look like ass on a metallic color. The flop would be terrible

I don’t understand why buds think coatings aren’t important.

At least the oems try to help the dumb bums out a little bit with galvanizing the metal, only does so much though