2000 Toyota Camry LE (Vin Starts With J) 2.2L 5S-FE Sleeper Build

[chilly ember]

I have seen it done on Celica's with the same motor as well but I have no clue how complicated it would be to do something like this with a Camry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJcjQJBM20o

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[chilly ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njh6E3QUGoc&t=215s

[smoky terrace]

Idk about high power, but they can be built to rev high, in a high comp na build. Toyota inline 4s are pretty good at that.

Sorry, don’t quite understand. You wanna use the bottom end of a 5sfe but do a head swap down the road or something?

Don’t know many people who wanna spend a lot of money on a fwd eco Toyota but u do u.

I just don’t see the worth in the chassis

[chilly ember]

What does NA build mean? Still learning these terms

[chilly ember]

I want to do a sleeper build using the 5S-FE block, but I am not even sure what the proper way to start even is. I don't know how to put which parts with what. Main thing I know right now is that before changing any engine parts or stuff like headers/injectors you need a custom tune or it won't run right.

[tall bane]

Naturally aspirated, aka no Turbo or supercharger

[smoky terrace]

So how much u willing to burn?

[smoky terrace]

Look man if you didn’t know what na meant I think you should do some more research so you know what you are getting into. My rb26 mid built cylinder head costed 10k alone and that is just parts. I still need to get the head machined and put together and lashed. So probably 5k more in labor.

It’s will be a bit less cause yours is a Toyota domestic engine, but still a lot. Also I just don’t think it is worth it putting money into a ff Toyota chassis. Seems like a waste.

[past iris]

This engine is obsolete

Idk how you can make more power with it

[smoky terrace]

Yep he will be pouring money into it to get very little out of it

[smoky terrace]

Also the chassis is obsolete. I would never mod a ff Toyota

[chilly ember]

I've been trying to learn more about cars in general recently, so forgive me if I don't know everything yet. All I really know is I just want a sleeper Toyota build of some kind, specifically of a Camry. And I'd be willing to spend $10k in mods to do that.

[tall bane]

For $10k I'd say just grab an LS and make it RWD
I can't hate and I won't hate because I want a sleeper Prius

[past iris]

Just get a 2.0t accord and you will smoke a shit ton of cars from factory

5.2 second 0-60 with summer tires

[smoky terrace]

With 10k sell your car and buy a better chassis with the money put together

[smoky terrace]

Fr too

[upbeat aurora]

If you want a sleeper Camry do a V6 swap and turbo it

best bang for buck

[past iris]

2000 camry is a death sentence

that car should not go fast

Like just dont

[smoky terrace]

I don’t think many eco ff cars are meant to be pushed

[rare lake]

It can go fast just needs more safety

[past iris]

It needs a new chassis

[rare lake]

No I don’t think so I mean he isn’t gonna go 200 km/h just faster 0 - 100

[past iris]

bro the car handles like shit and its weak af

[smoky terrace]

^^^fr

Ain’t built for shit

Like I said, I would never mod a eco ff Toyota. Thing is just built for the average joes

[upbeat aurora]

v6 swap

https://youtu.be/Pm18xbl8eOs

[chilly ember]

But that's what makes it fun

Knowing that it isn't originally designed to do that and then figuring out a way to do so

[chilly ember]

What do you mean new chassis?

[upbeat aurora]

they’re saying switch to a different platform

best bet is a whole 3SGTE swap

or V6 swap

or switch to Celica instead

[chilly ember]

I've been thinking about the 3SGTE swap tbh

[upbeat aurora]

I’ve seen a 3sgte camry

xv10

[chilly ember]

Because as I stated before a lot of parts from the 5S and 3SGTE are similar, but the 5S can be modified for more power using 3S parts

[upbeat aurora]

you may as well 3S swap

[chilly ember]

But the 3SGTE is already a "performance" motor

Just gotta find a Japan built one is so the issue

A Japan built 3SGTE engine

[upbeat aurora]

the only benefit would be displacement which is likely just the crank

rods and pistons may need to be custom

[chilly ember]

Yeah I've heard a lot about using the crank on a 5S and using forged 3SGTE rods and Pistons

[upbeat aurora]

what does 3S rods and pistons on a 5S crank equate to compression ratio wise?

any stroker compression ratio has to be considered

chamber volume, piston to deck clearance, etc

[chilly ember]

great question

I have no idea to be honest, I need to do more research

I think it depends on the setup as a 3S/5S build is already a very custom job

[past iris]

The frame of this car is weak and poorly designed. It will crumble like a tin can in a crash. New cars are much stronger

[smoky terrace]

K when modding cars no one cares about that shit. It will not crumple like a tin can in the first place. And any car can be reinforced.

Main reason why he should swap chassis is because of its engine and it is ff.

And it is not a balanced car for driving fast

Older the better for mods imo

[past iris]

you will have to reinforce a shit ton of stuff tho

better off just buy a new camry

[smoky terrace]

Bruh first off it doesn’t crumple like a tin can, second off no one really cares about safety that much as opposed to performance. Look at the original dodge viper lmao

if you are worried about crashing don’t drive

[smoky terrace]

A simple roll cage adds a shit ton of rigidity

And a anchor point for a harness

Safety ain’t a concern idk why u would bring that up

The thing is a bad car to mod because of it is ff, poor performance, and it ain’t balanced

[smoky terrace]

So it’s a head swap build u want? Doing a head swap on my rb

A lot of work for a first timer. Learn what you are getting into before you jump in to far.

[tall bane]

Yes people do care about safety why do you think nobody drives 1st Gen Vipers

[upbeat aurora]

A Camry isn’t unsafe

[smoky terrace]

My favourite American car ❤️

[smoky terrace]

Who cares about air bags lol, removed all mine from my 34

A roll cage with fia approved seats and a four point is safer imo

[past iris]

Its obvious you dont understand how the injuries occur in crashes

[tall bane]

He doesnt

God

[smoky terrace]

Air bags are carried over in the sense that when people had lap belts they were not very restricted and thus could easily hit their head on the dash or wheel. If you glued in place to the chassis you are pretty good. If you are gonna cry about sudden deceleration. The amount of gs that it would take to kill you without a air bag will be similar to the amount that you will die with bags.

Bet you two haven’t seen the evo hill climb crash at pikes @tall bane @past iris

No way they would have survived with air bags and basic seats.

Prove me wrong

[smoky terrace]

Why cause u have been in some lol. Lmao, also says the guy who says a 2000 Camry ain’t safe.

Fucking f1 drivers don’t have airbags dumb bums. The huge thing is a neck to helmet brace. But you only need that if you are flying.

You guys gotta understand that cars sold by manufacturers are loaded with comfort. If it was all about performance and safety they wouldn’t have wide seats and ac. Because they have comfort in mind they have to use air bags to keep you from flopping around in a car during a crash.

That is why side airbags in new cars expand over the side windows and even front to keep you and your limbs inside the car.

Especially in a 2000 skyline like mine which has only a dash passenger and driver steering wheel air bag. It is better to remove them and use at the minimum a half cage and seats. You will be way more secured and less likely to swing out the window in a crash or roll.

and if you are saying “why don’t you use both then!, air bags and cage and seat!” Well the air bag would literally do nothing. The distance from which your face would collide with the bag would be to far to actually do anything because of the upgraded restraints of a 4 point.

And if you really are paranoid of your neck you could pick up a neck brace for $80

So ya, prove my argument wrong @past iris @tall bane

[past iris]

I have been in 2 accidents

[smoky terrace]

Who was at fault for those? If you are that paranoid about safety for 2 incidents. Just ride a bike to work… never-mind might be too much still…. Never-mind, how about walking…..you know what why don’t you just become a hermit and stay inside your house all the time.

I mean anyways I legit just posted like a good chuck of my argument too if you didn’t see that

[upbeat aurora]

daily driving with a helmet and HANS device is ridiculous

that’s the only case where a 4/5 point harness is safer than a factory 3 point

Watch any IIHS crash test

harness without head restraint = whiplash

[tall bane]

Exactly

What i4lover said

[tall bane]

Yes I have
They only survived because they were literally glued in but they were smacking their helmets on the rollcage
You gonna daily with a helmet?

[tall bane]

Because airbags and basic seats aren't meant for that.

[tall bane]

Not as safe as a lot of vehicles

[tall bane]

It's called a HANS
And yeah you only put in a rollcage and harnesses if you are flying "dum dum"

[tall bane]

Yeah also ease of use
I'm sure as hell not gonna put on a 5-point harness every time I get in my car to go to Walmart when I'm not even going fast enough for that to do better than a 3-point

[tall bane]

Thats because they knew almost nothing about safety

[tall bane]

Yeah because you're also wearing a helmet and if you have harnesses you probably have a cage which means the airbags wouldn't even be able to deploy anyway

[tall bane]

Are you a dumbass? That's just gonna shatter into your neck for $80

[tall bane]

I am paranoid about safety
As literally anybody who ACTUALLY know what they're talking about will tell you, you either go all or nothing. Either leave it stock, or go helmet, rollcage, seats, harnesses, remove airbags, HANS if you're doing crazy shit. You don't go halfway, you put in a cage if you put harnesses, to put harnesses you need seats, with the cage you need a helmet

Now prove me wrong.
With real facts not with your ||idiotic and false|| opinions

[past iris]

1. drunk underage pickup driver ran the redlight from a blind intersection.
2. infiniti driver made a left turn when i was stationary waiting to turn left.

Both cases police and insurance found the other party at fault

[smoky terrace]

I was giving the cheapest option dumbass. It won’t even shatter it is like a harder foam or something. It’s a race quip 360 degree

[smoky terrace]

No, that is not the only use of a cage. A proper cage can add quite a bit of rigidity

And yes for daily driving, your neck will only be put in a position of injury if you hit a none moving object or a car. If you are really worried about side impacts you car get seats with stick out nubs to block head movement

So your argument is only gonna be in a front collision. For everything else a cage and seats would do the same as oem. And yes I will be tracking so I will be wearing a helmet. I will have to find it too, there was a neck brace that you could wear without a helmet also for driving.

[smoky terrace]

Didn’t say anything wrong lol

[smoky terrace]

Yes exactly

But that is the worse and again, the worst outcome will only be in front end collisions

[smoky terrace]

I mean I wouldn’t mind. Get a older style f1 helmet and chill to turismo jazz

https://www.cmhelmets.com/p/vintage/page/2/

Totally thinking of buying one

Not sure if these ones are fia, but there are ones like these that are

[chilly ember]

Man I was just asking a question about building a sleeper out of a 23 year old engine and it turned into an argument about whether or not the car is safe

Good news though, I am still working on that car currently. Planning on changing the transmission fluid/filter soon, but it's never been changed in over 431k miles. Heard of people doing it with 500k+ Toyotas and it turning out fine. Doing it or not doing it, either way runs the risk of it failing. Made a post on the Toyota subreddit about it and got a shitton of mixed responses saying to do it and then to not do it. Even got some replies from Toyota Techs arguing about whether or not to do it. At this point, I think Ima say fuck it and do it. I really hope it doesn't fail on me cause if it does I am gonna feel really stupid

[dire ridge]

Lmao there is no modding discussion that does not devolve into an argument here

[smoky terrace]

Fr it used to be way worse when support was a single chat lmao

[dire ridge]

That sounds like a nightmare hellscape

[smoky terrace]

Yep it was

[chilly ember]

Does being able to rev high translate to more power, or what does that mean overall in terms of the cars performance?

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[smoky terrace]

Sorta, it depends on the engine and the build. In short term yes. I wouldn’t build out this engine though, it is fwd and if you build it you will have crazy torque steer. It is also not a proper chassis.

All I am saying is don’t mod this car, huge waste in money. Keep it as a daily and save up for a car with a better engine (longitudinal), and rwd as rwd transmissions handle power better most of the time.

Na with velocity stacks is dope. Especially if it is built for high rpms. I myself am building a na rb26 head with stacks. But again that engine is worth the money; and if I even want to go for a boosted build it can be easily swapped over to that.

So save up and do some thinking on a chassis that is worth it rather than dumping money into something you will regret.

Not trying to be negative or anything. I am just giving you the best advice I can.

[upbeat aurora]

Hp = rpm x tq

[chilly ember]

Does anyone know where this line comes from or what it's for? Mostly need to know where it comes from because I recently disassembled my air intake filter, hose and resonater and installed new ones, and can't find it in my engine bay even though I never removed that line from the vehicle.

2000 Toyota Camry LE, 2.2L 5S-FE. How do find where this 3rd pipe is coming from so can reconnect it to the air intake filter box.