advice when buying an NA miata

[burnt spoke]

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[ebon patrol]

Rust, see if the top is bad. Also the normal stuff for used cars, look at how well it's maintained, so do the tires match, are the fluids recent and in good shape, etc.

[simple pumice]

For the price they sell for now it is not worth it to buy one

[ebon patrol]

Shut up dude let him spend his money
Besides not all of them are super expensive

[solar kernel]

rust n price,
if your paying more than 9k canadian ur paying too much on average they sell for 5 to 6k with little maintenance

[simple pumice]

For what they are they should be way way less

Bro they dent super easy, have so many rust problems and have the weakest engine put into them.

Wait wait lol

Just found this on tt

[simple pumice]

Bro I can say what I want dumb fuck. Have you even bought a car yet? Lmao

[simple pumice]

Not trying to compare and shit but I bought my r34 25gt for 9k with 45,000kms on that in mint condition. Let’s see him do better with a miata

That’s Canadian too

[solar kernel]

i can get a clean miata up gere for 5k. 9k is what i sold my gpas low km all original 91 miata for

[simple pumice]

Ya but that is 4x the kms on my r34 lol

Not h8ing on the car, just it’s price rn. It is hella overated from the cheap track car beater it used to be.

[solar kernel]

ngl i grabbed the first one i seen lol

6k can so thats probs 4500 5k us

[sage wharf]

He's missing a retainer or the adhesive has failed on that one loose section of trim. Other than that it's not all that different than most other cheap 90s cars the NA was not an expensive car when it came out. It was the first cheap sportscar of it's time that's why so many were sold. They are fun cars, lots of people desire them hence the prices they still go for.

[ebon patrol]

Although- no offense to what tou want - but I wanted the same thing
Don't get an NA
get at the earliest an NB, but really the NC is what you want
Doesn't matter that it was the fattest of them all, it's still super fun bt the NA is kinda a deathtrap
And don't go "well I won't crash it" nobody said you would or "I don't care about safety" you will when you're in the hospital paying $200,000 for injuries

I know I might not change your mind but keep that in mind

Also NCs have less issues and far less rust problems

[marsh ravine]

Bro that should be like half the price

[solar kernel]

covid prices havnt dropped yet

[ebon patrol]

Bro that is in pretty damn good condition and it has mods that isn't bad, especially in this time, especially what it is

Yeah if it's a project that's OK just be careful, don't die

[simple pumice]

No it is not

190,000km for 6k bruh

Idk about that

For a car that small with that engine, and that amount of km, hell no

Also they look like a fucking bar of soap🧼

Just saying imo

[marsh ravine]

Its 33 years old

Fuck no

[simple pumice]

Bruh just buy a cappuccino if u want a small coupe

Probably has a way better build quality

@shadow abyss

They make a miata look like a normal sized car

[sage wharf]

Ive driven all gens and currently own an NC. NA and ND are by far my favorites. As far as death trap my many motorcycles still win. Not everyone has the same opinions or enjoys the same things for the same reasons and thats fine.

[marsh ravine]

Tf is a cappuccino lmao

[simple pumice]

Bruh has been living under a rock

[marsh ravine]

Cofee ?

[simple pumice]

Absolute cave dweller

[simple pumice]

Suzuki Cappuccino

[simple pumice]

????

Bruh wut?

[marsh ravine]

bruh who tf names a car cofee name

[sage wharf]

The same ppl that named the honda squash

[simple pumice]

Ford probe

Mazda titan dump

Mitsubishi lettuce

Isuzu mysterious utility wizard

[ebon patrol]

Yes, motorcycles win by far
But I can get a more modern NC for that price and it has side airbags so

[sage wharf]

Not everyone cares about airbags

[ebon patrol]

Not everyone even knows airbags exist
But they serve a massive purpose

[sage wharf]

motorcycles are fun tho

good thing they have never made defective airbags

[simple pumice]

Bruh who the fuck cares about air bags

Bruh if you care about airbags, aka scared about crashing. Work on your driving

[simple pumice]

Lmao I am literally removing all my bags

4 point harness and a cage are better

[ebon patrol]

I do

[simple pumice]

Lmao

[ebon patrol]

You know you aren't the only driver on the road... right?

[sage wharf]

your driving doesn't protect you from others lol

[simple pumice]

So you live in constant paranoia

Damn

Harsh

[ebon patrol]

With a helmet. Without, pretty much it's barely as safe

[ebon patrol]

Pretty fucking much, I don't trust people.

[sage wharf]

4 point is not safer than a 3 point.

[simple pumice]

I mean true to that, can’t trust people on the roads now a days

[sage wharf]

5 point might be safer

[simple pumice]

With a proper seat and a cage

[ebon patrol]

Not for normal driving anyways

[simple pumice]

No a four point with a racing seat, and a cage is definitely safer than stock

[simple pumice]

Bucket, with head and neck guard

[sage wharf]

eh its gonna need to be way tighter than anyone is going to tolerate on the street. 4 points allow submarining

[simple pumice]

Bruh when it is setup wrong

[sage wharf]

most are

[simple pumice]

@sage wharf when u mount it to the fucking floor then ya

When it is mounted to the cage then no

[sage wharf]

proper seat but you don't tighten it properly its still going to allow submarining

[simple pumice]

Dude a proper stock car setup verses a proper setup 4 point, bucket, and cage setup. The 4 point with the bucket and cage is better.

[sage wharf]

eh you wearing a helmet too in this car?

[simple pumice]

If you have a head/neck guard bucket seat without a helmet it is way safer than any stock setup

[sage wharf]

disagree

[ebon patrol]

Nope

[simple pumice]

Extrapolate

[simple pumice]

Extrapolate

Hello?

[sage wharf]

You explain why your bucket seat and cage is safer than a 3 point restraint and airbags that reduce impact forces.

[ebon patrol]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a39993241/dont-put-a-roll-cage-in-your-street-car/#:~:text=Without additional safety considerations%2C a,make your car more dangerous.&text=While most enthusiasts spend their,safety equipment for their cars.

There ya go

[sage wharf]

You seem to think holding the occupant = safer but your not reducing forces at all

[simple pumice]

You are completely restrained to a fixed point of the car with extremely minimal amounts of movement when setup properly

[ebon patrol]

That's where I learned this, racing drivers agree too

[simple pumice]

Don’t be stupid and explain in your own words

[simple pumice]

Doubt

[sage wharf]

so you are increasing the forces on the occupant

[ebon patrol]

With a cage you are putting something inside of the car that tour head can smack into, and it is intruding so you are 90% more likely to smack your head on it in a crash, aka helmet. If you use a harness, yeah it holds tou in better but it doesn't allow enough motion to reduce forces, aka spine go snap. Aka helmet will help with that. Seat isn't a big factor there though

[simple pumice]

@sage wharf @ebon patrol have anyone of you guys seen the hill climb with the evo flying off the cliff?

Let me find that video

[ebon patrol]

Yeah with all of the safety equipment

[simple pumice]

Explain

[ebon patrol]

If they didn't have helmets they would've smashed their heads on the seats

[simple pumice]

?

[sage wharf]

its almost like racing safety equipment compliments eachother

[ebon patrol]

Exactly

[simple pumice]

Like just helmets what else is such a big factor

[ebon patrol]

If you have one (excluding seat) you have to have all

Well excluding helmets kind of too

But if you have a rollcage, you need a helmet
If you have a harness, you need a helmet
If you have both, you really need a helmet

It's that simple

Rollcages protect the vehicle, they don't protect you (mostly) we aren't raking about crushing here because that's the vehicle

Harnesses protect your body, not your head

Helmets protect your head not your body

[sage wharf]

eh seat count some. bucket seat is gonna resist body movement in side impact more but it still does no disperse impact forces anywhere as good as a side curtain airbag

[ebon patrol]

Yeah true thank tou for that

[simple pumice]

For extremely dangerous racing which can invoke roll overs I agree. But if it is on street driving. A four point, cage, and a bucket seat with neck and guards will be more safe than a stock seat with air bags setup

[sage wharf]

it will not

[ebon patrol]

Nope
There's a reason vehicles haven't changed

It's not safer

[simple pumice]

Explain

[sage wharf]

if it was cars would be using it

[ebon patrol]

It may SEEM safer

[simple pumice]

How

[ebon patrol]

But it isnt

[simple pumice]

Tell me then

[sage wharf]

We have. Explain why you think its safer

[ebon patrol]

I literally just fucking explained it
Unless tou are putting on a helmet to drive to fucking Walmart, no

[ebon patrol]

From here down

[simple pumice]

I already said, you are attached to a component which is resistant to movement and anchored to the car. You body will not move around as much at all. With a four point harness the force of impact is spread out wider than just a 3 point.

you roof will less likely collapse on a flip also

Same with other components support by the cage

@ebon patrol @sage wharf

[ebon patrol]

Except you NEED to move in a crash

Otherwise all the forces are on you

Even if it's spread out more

Doesn't matter

In a normal street driving accident, that's at least a 50% fatality rise from stock

[sage wharf]

Dude you do not understand physics

[ebon patrol]

Yeah but smacky head is death

[simple pumice]

How many gs does a air bag reduce

[sage wharf]

A lot

[ebon patrol]

A ton

[ebon patrol]

Obviously not

[simple pumice]

Kinda interested

Show me article can’t find one

Like the average decrease in gs a airbag is able to decrease

[simple pumice]

Well then show me how many gs a average airbag can reduce

[ebon patrol]

Because that's not how it's measured
But imagine smashing your head into a door at 40 MPH, and then imagine it with a pillow between you and the door
Makes sense right?

[simple pumice]

Bruh u won’t with a bucket seat and a 4 point dumbass

We are talking about gs

[ebon patrol]

Ok but then you snap your spine
Explain how you're surviving that without a helmet

[simple pumice]

Bruh have u just glanced over everything I said lol

[simple pumice]

No u won’t omg

[ebon patrol]

That's what you did

[sage wharf]

of course he has

[ebon patrol]

Yes you will you fucking idiot omfg

[simple pumice]

Bruh I ain’t reading a article

[ebon patrol]

I summarized it

Apparently you didn't read that either

[simple pumice]

Bruh answer my question how many gs are reduced by a airbag

[ebon patrol]

I mean he isn't explaining anything really so there isn't much to glance at

[sage wharf]

they are not measured in Gs it was already stated.

[simple pumice]

Dude your guys augment is on force. How much force is reduced by gs

[ebon patrol]

They don't measure that because it changes depending on direction, speed, etc.

[simple pumice]

Did not see that, well what is it measured in

[ebon patrol]

It isn't
But it reducing fatalities by 30% is pretty good freaking proof

[simple pumice]

So on what, just cushioning from body trim and shit

[sage wharf]

If you still think broken collar bones and vertebrae from a harness holding you stationary is preferable to a giant pillow slowing the momentum of your body and spreading out the impact then by all means use a harness

[simple pumice]

Maybe because stock cars are not that restraining on the driver/passengers

[ebon patrol]

For a reason

[sage wharf]

night yall

[ebon patrol]

I'm going too this dude is broken in the head

[simple pumice]

So why don’t they have airbags in f1 then

[simple pumice]

No explain

Seem pretty safe without them

There cars are designed around a crumple and cage system

@sage wharf don’t see any spine injuries in f1. Mainly feet from when I started watching

@ebon patrol

And it is not just deployment speed

Because they deploy at 200mph

A rigid fix position along with a crumple zone system is way safe than a stock car system.

Only reason why they don’t use it is space and convenience

And comfort obviously

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bwdC1Yi3OG8

Let’s see that car with stock safety do better lol lol lol lol lol

[simple pumice]

Like I said before roof would have caved in, you would be thrown around more even with air bags. 100% death

Prove me wrong @ebon patrol @sage wharf still waiting

[ebon patrol]

...
HANS.

[ebon patrol]

They have helmets dude
YET AGAIN
I am saying this

[burnt spoke]

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[ebon patrol]

Yeah so they deploy quick enough duh

[ebon patrol]

For high speed, racing sure. Otherwise false.

[ebon patrol]

That would take up less space technically

[simple pumice]

So you are just saying without a helmet, a roll cage is completely useless

Lmao

Wut

Bruh I think u need to see what a roll cage and restraints do

Have nothing to do with that. A helmet and neck guard are different. Isn’t Hans just to limit neck movement? Like I said a proper bucket seat can have a affect on reducing head movement by quite a bit

[simple pumice]

Ya a car that is safe at high speed collision is less safe at low speed collisions 🧠

[simple pumice]

Bruh wtf are u on

Dude I don’t think you know what a roll cage is

U are rotting my brain

Here’s what a simple roll cage looks by itself @ebon patrol

[simple pumice]

Dude a helmet protect against particle, and impact collision which would mainly result from debris and lack of restraint. In a oem car u honestly would need it more

I don’t think you know the pros of a cage and a proper restraint over a oem safety system lmao

Lol where did your little buddy go to help u out @sage wharf

And where are u @ebon patrol

[simple pumice]

The only point u have is if you hit your head on a cage bar, but it can be setup so it won’t ever cross ur head’s path in a collision

[ebon patrol]

Well if you're dead anyway it has no purpose

[ebon patrol]

Hans it to limit forward neck movement, which a helmet does too, just not to the same extent

[ebon patrol]

So snappy spine?

[ebon patrol]

Which unless you're short asf won't be the case

I'm blocking you because you obviously don't know shit about safety

[simple pumice]

That had nothing to do with what I said in that statement

[simple pumice]

Bruh u don’t know shit, u can’t even explain ur point

[simple pumice]

Pretty sure these guys didn’t have Hans

No snappy spine

Your only gonna snap your spine with increased movement in your back and neck. Which a proper restraint reduces. It seems you are to thick skulled to understand that though.