enhance Vial: Greenleaf Tea

[high pike]

So I think this vial is a major let down in two ways.

First being that most vials relating to W6 are pretty great in their effects. This vial is a complete let down.

Untying Ninja rate? Im sorry but thats one of the smallest and shortest aspects of Sneaking. Would be better as a more general Sneaking boost such as a Stealth booster.

Second reason why this vial NEEDS to be changed: A W6 vials end goal should not be to be useless. Once all ninjas are untied, this vial is completely useless.

[lavish nexus]

My thoughts exactly 🙂

[vast storm]

actually its still useful due to the rift bonus 🤓

[lone cairn]

yeah it does seem a bit useless once you done with it, but hten again the nail vial exist so XD

[high pike]

Exactly. I dont want another useless vial. As brand new END GAME content at that.

Even before the vial is completely useless, it is already 80-90% useless. Personally, Ive already untied most of my characters.

[kind jacinth]

I'm sure this vial is going to earn it's weight once we have to untie the 11th+ characters.... unless we have god slaying kunais already

[summer swallow]

Let's be honest: Endgame in another two years will mean something else compared to the time now. I wouldn't mind if the vial is bad, it's a "troll" vial. BobJoePickle Vial is used for quests, yet the bonus is... nothing. Not very useful 😅

[high pike]

Which is completely fine. I am a very long time player thats been around since W1. I remember when W2 came out. Back then worlds came out very content rich (well, complete really..) and new worlds were being developed quickly enough that having troll items like BobJoePickle in W2 didnt matter and adds to the fun. Remember, we're talking about W2, there wasn't much space to place troll items. Now, new useless 'troll' content is typically and appropriately placed in W1 behind re-occuring events while leaving game pushing content for the newest world.
Sorry for the long wall of text.
tldr: BobJoePickle is an Apples to Oranges comparison, the game and times were a lot different when it was released. We didnt get much content for W6 yet and it hurts that one of the things is useless ontop of a so-far useless skill.

One other point regarding BobJoePickle vial is that is one of Dozens of vials when it came out. Greenleaf Tea is one of 6 w6 vials.

[high pike]

Nope. Even then. Untying remains the activity you engage with the least in Sneaking. A boost to Stealth would boost overall Sneaking and allow you to untie that 11th character in a more reasonable amount of time vs being constantly KOd.

[summer swallow]

Same here (I've played since W1 too!)
I don't mind the wall :3
I feel like it could stay as a troll vial for the time being , but Lava usually will somehow add something that could bolster it, such as untying "x" for a certain perk!

[high pike]

ikikik ig im just impatient plus this is not something i can mentally project into the future and see it being useful so trying to get it fixed while theres still a chance and fire burning in lava

Nice meeting you btw!!! That's awesome you've also been here from the beginning :DDD Good ol' Kong! RIP ;-;

[summer swallow]

Burning in Lava :3
Don't tell Lava

[high pike]

Bwahahha now thats a funny af mental image

[high pike]

We shall incept it xDDDD

[summer swallow]

I get your point though

[high pike]

Likkkkke

Im about to start untying characters on the last released floor. GL keeping your characters alive.

[summer swallow]

Indeed

Good luck my friend 🫡

[high pike]

You will be item farming and Jade farming so much in comparison, untying characters has been like 1% of the Sneaking for me.

[summer swallow]

I feel like honestly it's not too bad to be a "temporary vial" for the moment!

Take W5 for example, there's Equinox fill bar rate iirc

The vial

Once you've maxed all the bonuses, the vial is irrelevant for its listed bonus!

[high pike]

itll only be temporary vial if we complain about it though :PP items rarely change once released unless my memory is buggered xD

[summer swallow]

Yeah, items usually rarely change.

[high pike]

yeah but to be fair, that takes a long time, impacts a lot of stuff, contributes to lots of growth and thus affects lots of players. im not saying all items should have inf usage

just this one starts at worthless and stays there xD

Someone said something about unless you have god tier kunai. Well thats nothing lmfao 'god tier' Kunai on all characters. I got the Kunai LONG before I got the other items required for survival on this floor. Still farming for some to lower KO rate ;-;

[summer swallow]

To be fair, there's always RNG that factors in, and there's always going to be that unlucky bunch of people
|| Like me ||

[high pike]

^ Stealth helps with that, its a greater overall boost

[summer swallow]

Yep, still saw people fall at 0% (rounding, ofc)

But tbf you get knocked down multiple times in a row on a 1% chance, that's just unlucky 😦

[high pike]

Unless youre sitting at true 0% Detection, or even <5% you have greater gains by increasing stealth over kunai/untying speed

[high pike]

Youll just have to suck it up on later floors or only attempt them when you've farmed +40 artifacts

[summer swallow]

Indeed, it's just bad luck that's influencing people, that's all! ^^

Most of the time, at least

[high pike]

Stealth: The luck remover :PPP

Btw how're you liking the W6 so far?

[summer swallow]

Not bad honestly

I lost my 2.5 year old account back in November, and I somehow got to W6 on a new f2p (no doot, no autoloot, on web) account within 70 days, within an hour or two of W6 releasing

It's pretty good for my guide and all ^^

[high pike]

Oh wow sorry to hear that!! 😢

[summer swallow]

I'm up and running again, no need to feel bad

[high pike]

thats awesome you powered back through so fast! Kinda funny i did something similar recently which re-sparked my joy for the game

[summer swallow]

I lost it since I used my college account back then, graduated and then a google bug signed me out so....

[high pike]

like half a year back i made a new account randomly and actually played it out for a few months. it was a nice refresher and fun to re-experience so much i forgot

[summer swallow]

But hey, it's fine now at least 😄

[summer swallow]

That's nice!

[high pike]

Im really hoping for another anvil tab xDD

[summer swallow]

Soon
|| I'm off the bed now, see you tomorrow! (hopefully ❤️ )||

[high pike]

Yes Indeed 😄 The new armor is nice and looks lovely but barely nudges dmg
Goodnight and nice to meet you!

[flat sandal]

If vial were to change to another benefit, say stealth percent, then future content adding stealth percent would have to take that into account and most likely offer a lower value.

Just shuffling numbers around.

Edit: Point being; one developer, asking him to dig a hole and fill it later instead of focusing on important items is silly.

[lone cairn]

also with vial mastery even if the vial itself doesnt do much, since you can max it it will buff all the other vials

[high pike]

So basically we should never have nice things because future content will lead to number shuffling? Curious fallacy. Game is made by one dev, these releases aren't coming out tuned by a AAA company.

IdleOn: Numbers go big. Numbers go BIGGER.

As of the current state of the game we actually DO desperately need more stealth and not more untying %.

When future floors get released the need only increases in a near exponential manner.

[flat sandal]

No, I'm saying this feedback is asking for number shuffling.

Edit: Stealth increases with shadow level in a near exponential manner.

[latent laurel]

Came for the post, stayed reading because of wholesomeness between @high pike and @summer swallow - faith in humanity restored.

[summer swallow]

Awww tysm

[latent laurel]

You be welcome little red panda

[summer swallow]

^^ Indeed, I thank you for such a hospitable message

[latent laurel]

Tbh, I came here looking for people beefing eachother up and I come to that - honestly restored my faith in people 😅

However am only a w2 starter, tis a sad sad day

[summer swallow]

I offer some tips in #1183482341474172938 , I hope you find it useful!

[latent laurel]

I mean I started when w2 was fresh but thanks 😄

[summer swallow]

Ohhhh XD

[latent laurel]

This is curry goal - took me 1.5b for Molten, hope it doesn't take me that long

[summer swallow]

Suddenly that makes a lot more sense 🤣

[summer swallow]

You using ES I suppose?

[latent laurel]

Slowly...

[summer swallow]

You can probably wait and just get it while pushing W6 first

I'd say that's first priority if you haven't done so!

[latent laurel]

waiting on bb to finish doggos

I ain't actively playing him 🤣

[misty sierra]

why not leave it as untying, but add "when all characters are free +stealth instead"

[lavish nexus]

I just thought about that maybe Lava has bigger plans for vial in the future. Maybe we will be able to untie NPCs which then give rewards or boosts. Maybe the vial is just currently useless for those who already have all 10 characters, but will be useful again in a later patch.

If not, I think adding door knock down rate to the vial would be a good solution.

[latent laurel]

Got it... 5k rice cakes - -

[summer swallow]

Quite lucky! ^^

[vast storm]

Is this new gen chat?