Fix pet companions.

[proud moth]

its in world one so everybody can pay for it duh

[frozen scaffold]

train and milk a wale early

[normal roost]

he knows exactly what he's doing

[mystic prawn]

people were always pinching others when they posted big gains, could someone pinch me now so I'd wake up from this nightmare, wtf is happening to idlion

[signal burrow]

Companions not being in W4 with pets and intentionally one of the first NPCs a new player ever sees tells you something

[abstract sapphire]

then again a new player wont have a clue what effect some of the pets have/wont be affected in a long time

[lime marsh]

The difference between this and the Golden bar "event" is that lava makes money and this is far more reaching

[atomic ingot]

anyone can teach me how to program idleon 2? i know a bit of python

[normal roost]

be realistic, as shitty as this update is, hardly anyone is gonna quit.

[signal burrow]

This is what started my feelings about it too. Just like last game, add new currency, vanish

[upbeat lily]

nah

i feel like a lot more would quit now

[shell shale]

I would move the dog to W5, honestly 😛

[dry night]

should at least be able to upgrade 3/4 pets of one tier into a pet of a higher tier or have some sort of pity system

[ancient terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghetti-gif-24457079

[upbeat lily]

its different to the gold incident

[onyx fog]

people might think twice about spending again tho

[brazen shore]

I don't want that to be the case, I like this game, I don't want this to be the end of it

[mystic prawn]

its the first time im considering it

[atomic ingot]

spaghet

[native elk]

theyre going to click it trying to pet the dog

[atomic ingot]

OMG

[onyx fog]

dont pull a runescape, where hating on the MTX in the discord results in a ban

[brazen shore]

I could technically quit, I've given leadership of my guild up

[hybrid pike]

.
Add ways to unlock pet gems and increase chances of specific pets WITHOUT spending money

Ideas:

• Adding quests:
  To gain pet gems
• Include the pet mobs:
  They can drop rare items that increase chances of getting that specific pet.
• Future pets:
  Must be unlocked with actual work and game skill.
  .

[normal roost]

f2p's don't lose anything, so it doesn't affect them if they ignore it.

the real problem is that p2w players will always be on top of them.

[mellow iris]

im not even considering, if that doesnt get at least decent f2p buff im straight quitting xD

[atomic ingot]

thats so genius and sad the dog dont deserve this ugly update 😦

[random lagoon]

People have already said they have quit the game buddy

[lime marsh]

Yea, lava profits

[upbeat lily]

naw man its jus people see that and dont wanna play because its an example for more in the future

[signal burrow]

Lava is already known for banning those who give criticism. I'd bet you dollars to donuts a lot of active peeps on this server at any given time are on account #3 or 4

[ancient bane]

it barely gets more efficient, the odds increasing is mostly an illusion since price goes up. Prices goes up 2.5x I think and odds 3x.

[abstract sapphire]

except some f2p players like to compete for leaderboard spots

[mystic prawn]

im 100% addicted to this game but now I can see a way out

[atomic ingot]

thats true but im just sad the direction this update is suggesting the game is going in

[mellow iris]

me too but it has completely broken my addiction the way it is

[worn flume]

Same

[ancient terrace]

anyways

[shell shale]

I'm honestly more worried about the possible unfairness that is to come with more pets added.

[brazen shore]

Played since the start, I can also see a way out

[ancient terrace]

imma go back to chatting in my server and distracting myself from this

see y'all in a few hours

[worn flume]

This is just the first batch 😂

[signal burrow]

When we're all banned together, it's been an honour

[atomic ingot]

ty for making the post

[burnt spindle]

Take this with you

[shell shale]

I know, that is what scares me.

[frozen scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/733363901386981398/976005626058670080/ezgif.com-gif-maker_49.gif

[worn flume]

I might actually be able to play more games in my spare time. Games with no pay to win lol

[cunning nest]

Thoughts on the Pet Problem™️

• Doot: Useless until W5, requires 1000+ hours to make use of from fresh account
• Rift Slug: More useful than Doot until W5
• Dedotated: Utility at best for those wanting to spam time candy
• Crystal Custard: More useful than Doot (in the long run)
• Sheepie: Useless in W2 and useless until late game
• Molti: 5% is great for early game, useless at mid to late game
• Bored Bean: It's alright, kinda mid - there are arguably better choices
• Slime: Potentially the best pet of all if you land the Arcade Jackpot
• Sandy Pot: Only useful for new players, otherwise trash
• Bloque: Only useful for new players, otherwise trash
• Frog: Only useful for new players, otherwise trash

[mystic prawn]

good idea

[smoky warren]

Dont copy mine lol

[cunning nest]

Doot is only useful if you're already at the endgame

[willow pond]

i dont want to spend money on stupid pets, i just want my mega crits on bm

[cunning nest]

It is completely useless otherwise

[atomic ingot]

how is 5% useless in late game 😮 if anything its not too impactful early game

% gud late game base stats gud early game

[cunning nest]

Notice it only has utility post W4 when you're invested

[abstract sapphire]

isnt afk gains like 20% in the beginning or something trash like that

[dim summit]

it works without unlocking divinity, so i wouldnt say so

[atomic ingot]

it does? that is completely broken haha

[worldly ore]

Wait doot works without unlocking w5?

[frozen scaffold]

lol trying to defend this

[dim summit]

yes you can get it level 1 and have all divinity rewards working

[cunning nest]

look at it from a new player perspective and realise it's not aimed at them kek

it's targeting the players with 1000s of hours

[mellow iris]

i just flagged this mf 😂

[worldly ore]

Imagine being a new player, rolling doot on your first pet and just steamrolling through the entire game 💀

[signal burrow]

You don't even need the god unlocked it's a meme

[gray gale]

IIRC i was getting like 45% with like 9 chars i think

[frozen scaffold]

you wrote choices which is a clear wrong marketing

[signal burrow]

You wouldn't even know WHY you are steamrolling because you would likely be ignorant of w5 entirely

[lime marsh]

^

[worldly ore]

Lol exactly

[fringe cypress]

but you wouldnt have unlocked the gods yet...

[worn flume]

I have a new plan guys. I am just going to make new accounts until I get a free doot. Then that be my main account because that one free doot would override any and all money I have spent on this game.

[nocturne oracle]

absolute cringe p2w casino update, 0/5 + L + fell off + mom fat

[signal burrow]

Doot bonus works even if you just started the game and literally the first thing you did was click the doggo and get lucky

[cunning nest]

watch him hotfix doot to only work with unlocked gods

[worldly ore]

Apparently you get all the bonuses without even having to unlock divinity

[frozen scaffold]

poor wales lol

[atomic ingot]

has anyone calculated how much it takes for like 80% chance at doot?

[fringe cypress]

Oh so the gods auto unlock - okay thats a bit of a problem

[atomic ingot]

i saw some post on reddit but i think it got removed

[lime marsh]

It will get stronger depending on badgur and krattlekruk bonus

[frozen scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ccupidz-gif-21213973

[willow perch]

Gems are already the premium currency, adding a premium feature (pets) and locking it behind a new unobtainable currency is sleazy and not consumer friendly.

[atomic ingot]

how much for one chance and what is dr on doot?

[green nexus]

Free, 0.24%

[lime marsh]

And I doubt lava spent the last 3 weeks working on this alone

[worldly ore]

Someone posted this before:

[signal burrow]

This is also assuming you have a 0.85% chance from the start (you don't)

[atomic ingot]

okay nice this is a good one to share around

[gray gale]

offers blue gem discounts, create new gem so discount are essentially null and void 💀 👌

[worldly ore]

If you're completely free to play 210 rolls will take you 4 years 💀

(New rotation in like 10 weeks also)

[signal burrow]

So if you wanted Doot, entirely from free rolls, it would take at minimum around 210 weeks. Or, literally 4 fucking years

[smoky warren]

I already did this no doot

[novel pewter]

not even as it rotates

[atomic ingot]

is it hard to reach tier 5? or does it just take 5 rolls

[dim summit]

u forgot theres pet rotations, so its impossible

doot gone in 10 weeks

[frozen scaffold]

but since theres no pity probably more like 40

[signal burrow]

Right but that aside, everything is same

[atomic ingot]

oh no how much did it cost D:

[upbeat lily]

lava pls change free pet to atleast 24hr

[brazen shore]

I'll say it again, blue gems to buy pets that are untradeable, just for your own collection, green gems for tradeable, to sell to others.

[signal burrow]

Even at 4 years of rolling entirely without fail every week hoping for doot, it's still only 80% chance to get Doot.

[smoky warren]

Starting to hate the game lol

[frozen scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/guldan-everything-hoodie-monster-orc-gif-17516569

[willow perch]

why, just blue gems for everything its already used for everything why this specifically suddenly needs its own currency

[upbeat lily]

also why implement trading solely for pets

[brazen shore]

Greed, very badly disguised

[signal burrow]

Fake and Hay attempt to hand wave how p2w it is

[frozen scaffold]

could have all integrated it in world 4 breeding but nope

[upbeat lily]

i thought it was known trading wouldn't b in idleon but rip

[atomic ingot]

can anyone eli5 this?

[signal burrow]

If you think that's bad wait until you start seeing RMT shady sites selling Doot for $300

[atomic ingot]

does this mean blue gems easily hackable?

[upbeat lily]

ur gonna have people selling pets on markets now

idk what the point is

[brazen shore]

Unless I'm wrong

[upbeat lily]

they'll sell the pets cheaper and lava will have to compete

[worldly ore]

Cant wait to find king doot on the steam market

[nocturne pagoda]

completly removing green gems, keep the system the same with normal gems, suddendly the system is fine

[upbeat lily]

legit dumbest idea

[willow perch]

I really enjoyed this game and was happy to spend on some bundles here and there because it didnt feel necessary to do but this just feels sleazy

[hybrid pike]

wait I dont understand what this means, can someone explain please?

[signal burrow]

This is why I think lava is abandoning the game. There's like 15 things about this patch that are scuffed AF and it's not just 1 or 2 things that are beyond stupid and would fail any reasonable person's sniff test, it's every single thing.

[brazen shore]

I think I'd rather go to a gold site and pay for a guaranteed pet than pay with no pity system and MAYBE get one.

[atomic ingot]

holyyy what that sounds like a bad idea

[upbeat lily]

people will find a way to cheat the green gems

[brazen shore]

So lava will only lose out

[upbeat lily]

and sell the pets for cheap

it HAPPENS on every single game

[willow perch]

so anyone can give themselves infinite gems rn? no way he had this be a thing all this long

[signal burrow]

yea because even if they get caught they don't care if they get banned as long as they can offload the doot to a customer on demand

[upbeat lily]

you'll also have duping exploits

[atomic ingot]

since he figured out how to secure green gems, why not just secure the blue and make only blue gems?

[upbeat lily]

trading is the DUMBEST idea to add to your game

[atomic ingot]

im sure im oversimplifying things HAHA

but hmMm

[lime marsh]

The issue is that if it was blue gems you could potentially go infinite if you get absurdly lucky,

[brazen shore]

Because blue gems are earnable elsewhere

[lime marsh]

Hence buying the entire gem shop

[signal burrow]

Lava doesn't know how to code. Going back retroactively is above his paygrade and he knows it.

[brazen shore]

"I earned these gems I hacked in"

Basically

[onyx fog]

better yet. change everything that gives gems to green gems

phase out reg gems slowly

[cunning nest]

infosec screaming

[upbeat lily]

thers still ways people will find

[signal burrow]

Who cares if it's tracked when I can cheat a doot and sell it to you before any ban happens (bans are client side)

[upbeat lily]

duping in majority of games is done through the platform and the way the game saves

"idleon" or the dev has nothing to do with it

[atomic ingot]

@queen iron here are some cool suggestions worth reading

[signal burrow]

Bro are you serious? Have you seen how Idleon is developed? Go figure out what dev engine he uses then come back and we'll both laugh at your just now statement

aka not real coding. glad we reached a point

[willow perch]

i honestly dont believe the green gem explanation at all, his other game idle skilling has the same gem shop except his latest update has its own exclusive currency aswell

[atomic ingot]

is stencyl bad?

[signal burrow]

Lava is an artist he's not a programmer, I know this, lava knows this, we all know this

[lime marsh]

(Thread has over 10x as many comments as the 2nd biggest thread on feedback)

[signal burrow]

Dont white knight lol

[atomic ingot]

oh this makes sense now 😮

[frozen scaffold]

lol defending greed

[signal burrow]

He's straight up said those words in similarity before.

[atomic ingot]

he doesnt code 😮

[signal burrow]

He doesn't consider himself a programmer

[normal roost]

block coding idleon

[signal burrow]

So take your white knighting elsewhere imo

[willow perch]

seems like were heading down the same path rn...

[signal burrow]

Drag and drop programming is real coding TIL

[frozen scaffold]

the internet will never forget he will never set a step into any dev work if he doesnt fix this properly

[brazen shore]

I'm hoping I can sleep, wake up, and good shit happened

[shell citrus]

Doot pet about to become the new wow gold

[atomic ingot]

but the way they advertise their game engine sounds like scratch

[winged notch]

Hey, Lava knows what he is doing. There's no reason to remove the non abusive business practises off steam, if the only reason he couldn't make it blue gems is server side. He allready did the same thing in idle skilling, we should have anticipated this.

[cunning nest]

lava making sean murray look like jesus in comparison

[upbeat lily]

bro theres not a single voted X in this entire thread that shows a lot

[shell citrus]

Can t wait to look at hundreds of euros transactions between people to get a doot trade

[upbeat lily]

nvm i lied

[nocturne pagoda]

You and I both

[keen creek]

whats a murray

[gray gale]

new game inc

[green nexus]

GachaOn: the active p2w

[atomic ingot]

omg it is scratch

[upbeat lily]

lava we kno u reading this

[atomic ingot]

ohh okok

[cunning nest]

youtube: the engoodening of no man's sky

[signal burrow]

I tolllld you. This is why I'm saying that chump is white knighting lol

[keen creek]

what

[amber stream]

Who cares what it's written in? It is a good game, and that is why we are mad about this update

[silver rover]

REALLY FUNNY YOUTUBE VIDEO ABOUT NO MANS SKY, WHICH WAS SHITE BUT THEN BECAME PRETTY GOOD

[normal roost]

lava said that his potato code forced him to use green gems because they're more "secure"

[keen creek]

wth is no mans sky tho

[signal burrow]

You're obviously white knighting a bad act don't even. We all know it's potato code and that's why green gems exist

[keen creek]

u know what forget i asked

imma search on google

[thin gull]

Just lol if anyone believes this. How convenient they aren't farmable and people already aren't sitting on a ton

[amber stream]

And why should we care? If normal gems are insecure, why does this affect us in any way?

[silver rover]

a game that was shit murray the main dev oversold it like crazy basically space minecraft with decent graphics then over time made it pretty good

[brazen shore]

It's become amazing

[signal burrow]

Someone asked why green gems exist instead of blue gems being fixed, that's in the wheelhouse of coding brudda

[keen creek]

oh ok, now it makes sense

[brazen shore]

I bought it at the start and didn't refund, it went from trash to treasure

[leaden copper]

this is on par with OW2 at this point, it just take so long that it is impossible to get all the companions for free

[amber stream]

I recommend "The Engoodening of No Man's Sky" on youtube

[signal burrow]

Because Lava doesn't know how to retroactively go back and change all blue gem code interactions to follow verification

[brazen shore]

Minecraft in full hd with quadrillions of planets, full size and random generated, space battles, full fleets, pirates, creature generation, engineering, terraforming etc all free updates

[keen creek]

and u can visit all of these planets?

and aliens?

[brazen shore]

Yes

With enough time

[keen creek]

[signal burrow]

GregTech vibes

[keen creek]

why havent i heard of this

[brazen shore]

No clue lol

I love it though a few seasons ago you could earn the ship from mass effect

As one of your fleet

[keen creek]

its 2023 tho

[brazen shore]

Every update has been free

Like nearly 30 big ones

[amber stream]

Let's hope we can say the same about this fiasco, that it had an Engoodening\

[signal burrow]

That red line in steam just keeps digging closer and closer to bedrock

[brazen shore]

It's nearly to the core

It's going into the nether

[floral pewter]

I personally love this idea, does it need some more work sure, but base idea seems great.

[brazen shore]

Oh and it didn't start as it

But nms is multiplayer

It was not there at the start but they said it was but later they implemented it

[signal burrow]

I feel like it annoys me more because the idea of companions is cool but Lava's sociopathic need to make it predatory gaccha ruins the whole dish.

It's like getting a super nice steak dinner but there's a big poop smear around the plate

[lofty flint]

Lava is a narcissist, if you've ever heard/seen him talk

[signal burrow]

Bro anyone who's been following this game for any meaningful time knows how Lava is. I unironically tell people that the amount of fun a person has in idleon is inversely proportional to how much direct interaction with the developer is forced upon them

This patch is just more of that

[tender ridge]

once may 24th falls off the 30 day chart it's going to swing to mostly negative. wonder if anything will be done

[lofty flint]

Sad to see how far he's fallen from his IS days

[shell citrus]

Y'all should stop with the personal attacks about lava and focus more on finding ideas on how to make the game better imo

[signal burrow]

You don't consider his attempt to blatantly rip off the community to be an attack of similar insult?

[shell citrus]

Yes it sucks but being personal isn't going to fix any thing

[signal burrow]

I do

[plain totem]

kind of delusional take tbh but ok

[keen creek]

But think

[signal burrow]

It's really not

[plain totem]

[green nexus]

Just remove green gems and remove the bonuses. I just want a cute little sheepie to follow me around

[obsidian tulip]

would be okay with that tbh

i'm okay with gacha if it's skin

[keen creek]

calling him an "asshole","narcissist", "greedy street punk" and whatever you can think of won't resolve the situatiion

thats a dog not a sheep

[signal burrow]

If this game wasn't a game people invested hundreds if not thousands of hours into, trying to min/max because that's how most idle gamers play if they stick with any given game. Only to be thrown "lol spend $500 or gtfo" . It's insulting

[meager vector]

Is there any point to having duplicate companions? Or do I just recycle them

[plain totem]

yeah because the pets are totally gated content. It's been out for what, a few hours? relax lol

[modest blade]

it lasts for 10 weeks

[signal burrow]

Unless they potentially have trade value (not sure if any aside from maybe doot, currently do) recycle

[plain totem]

´So give Lava some time to read the feedback and come back with an official statement

[leaden haven]

imo, the pets should be obtained... with a pity system tbh... spending thousands without no pet. i dont see me whaling for that either.

[upbeat lily]

bro lava jus gotta revert the update but he cant because people already spent thousands

[plush tree]

as if coming up with such a crappy update in the first place was fine

[upbeat lily]

😢

[keen creek]

then just refund "thousands"

[plain totem]

i'm sure you're a perfect human being that's never made a mistake in your life as well. People make mistakes, it happens

[signal burrow]

You think this sort of patch gets released because of lack of feedback? Bro it's like saying a murderer shot some guy in the head because he didn't know bullets kill people. It's intentionally predatory

[shell citrus]

😔

[signal burrow]

There's an acceptable and understandable oopsie doopsie but this isn't it champ

[upbeat lily]

isnt it a hard process tho

[plain totem]

yea okay good luck with your delusional thinking lmao

[kindred sail]

At least it wasn't a food analogy.

[upbeat lily]

i mean probably not cus its mostly whales id assume

[signal burrow]

You have the right to be wrong

[plain totem]

[keen creek]

Don't know. If you knew me, you'd know I'm a f-ing moron so dont ask me

[upbeat lily]

[green nexus]

"Mistake" This is the biggest slap in the face that this game has ever received

[simple sierra]

a .25% pet that massively increases bonuses, some of which you havent even unlocked yet that you can roll on once per week

isnt time gated

[plush tree]

ofc mistakes happen. this is just taking the player base for cash dispensers

[signal burrow]

Especially because the game was HEAVILY marketed as "I'm not some CEO who needs a 5th yacht so you won't get predatory cash shop style from me"

[winged notch]

It's not a mistake if he did the exact same thing with idle skilling

[leaden haven]

i was suggesting this game to friends because of how... free it was. i'm probably stopping to do that if this green gem / OP pet isnt 'farmable' in a more consistent way w/o the 10 day rotation fomo

[simple sierra]

i think lava needs to brag more about his what? 11? years of experience now as a solo dev

[winged notch]

or he has really short memory

[signal burrow]

Careful Gjeeb might call you delusional lol

[zenith cape]

fun fact he removed that from steam page now XD

[simple sierra]

dont forget he removed this from the steam page

[modest blade]

He did this before, this isnt the first time

[floral pewter]

Some legit suggestions, I do think "free" pet should be more often then once a week and/or earnable IG, same with the new currency, earnable IG would be nice.

[winged notch]

Probably a misclick, mistakes happen, im sure the gems are just a colouring error, and the prices have a comma in the wrong place

[gray gale]

making doot take 7 years for f2p isn't a mistake, that's by design

[signal burrow]

And Doot was supposed to be 8.5% not 0.85%

[lofty flint]

damn bro why you wearing lava like a hat

[signal burrow]

oopsie doopsies

[leaden haven]

this is extact the issue i'm having with this

[signal burrow]

Lava knows exactly what he's doing and you should treat him accordingly

[lime sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/chiquichico-gif-26004262

[brazen shore]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-money-gif-25191018

[upbeat wharf]

still no message from lava?

[wraith tapir]

Pets=roblox simulator

[gray gale]

lost your samples from sailing bug? NO WORRIES! BUY DOOT AND GET GAINS TODAY!@!@ BUY NOW!!

[signal burrow]

There were no less than 30-40 different ways to monetize companions in a healthy way and he decided to get the studded dildo instead

[obsidian tulip]

would loved skin for pets damn

[granite rover]

we are nearing 400 :))))))

[obsidian tulip]

my little sheep having horns, wings...

[winged notch]

And the gem price was supposed to go down when the odds increase. Surely he would not devalue the odds by increasing the cost

[signal burrow]

I thought the price went up as an anti-whale mechanism but then I learned the price goes up simply for "Reasons™️"

[lime marsh]

+3 odds for 2.5x the price

[leaden haven]

but theres a chance for doot milk

[gray gale]

wait did the price legit change?

[signal burrow]

Yea but now you get $5.00 worth of milk

[floral pewter]

more feedback, have multiple pets stack or do something else other then just be tradeable. (As you will likely end up with multiples of free pets)

[signal burrow]

Much excitement

[flat dirge]

I just want a pity timer for pets. Or ability to combine pets to go up a tier

[leaden haven]

cant imagine king doot stacking

[gray gale]

remove duping and we are good

[signal burrow]

Or you know, not have a primo jackpot pet that's so game breaking you may as well be playing an entirely different game than those who have it

[raven maple]

This fixes all issues but some of the people here just want to be mad for the sake of being mad. Also just a bad bonus from Doot. Needs nerfed

[leaden haven]

i'm all for this too. a pity would be nice

[signal burrow]

Yea okay Saph, that's not gonna fix the FOMO lockout among the other issues with wrrant to be annoyed by

Didn't whale doot? Sucks to suck see you in probably 27 months

[twilit scaffold]

Hell just make Doot 10x more common...

[leaden haven]

yep caps out at 250

[signal burrow]

It continuously goes up as you pull. Caps around 250

[raven maple]

That doesn't work, Doot is broken. Fundamentally, he needs to change rarest companions if they are going to be more common

[rugged agate]

Player count or reviews?

[twilit scaffold]

It's a single player game still, so I mean... and?

[rugged agate]

Oh

[twilit scaffold]

For all intents and purposes.

[raven maple]

Single player games receive nerfs

[signal burrow]

Honestly the only appropriate thing I can ever imagine as an outcome is to refund everyone who bought green gems and remove doot and add something less insane for a more reasonable % chance to pull. But Lava for sure wont do this

Doot is fundamentally whale bait to the 10th order

[rugged agate]

Or convert it to normal gems if he changes the cost

[winged notch]

Well reasons being fairly nasty old casino tactics. Because the % odds in on the bet odds screen increase, but don't reflect the increased price, it gives people an illusion your odds are increased more than they actually are. It's technically illegal for casinos to do that in my home country anymore, but games be games. not "gambling".

[gray gale]

idleon looking like diablo immortal atm

[signal burrow]

Kinda why I've been calling Lava predatory af all morning

[grand stump]

Make it so if you complete your all your W1 - W5 daily tasks you get 1 free spin for a pet or make it so you can spend GP to get a spin, maybe not ideal solutions but I feel like it would leave everyone happy

[signal burrow]

He knows exactly what he's doing and should be treated with that level of respect

[exotic apex]

Someone got a tldr on this chat

[raven maple]

I could be misremembering, but the system in Diablo Immortal was really bad. Like spending thousands only saw a 1% increase in damage and it meant nothing.

[signal burrow]

The average idleon enthusiast should be straight up insulted that Lava respects you enough to create a "Those with Doot" and "Those without Doot" class. Just go spend $1000 to stop being a peasant.

[raven maple]

New system bad, lava bad

[upbeat yoke]

one thing he could maybe do, remove the rotating part of the pet system. sure the bonuses are broken, but if they never rotate then all players will eventualy have acess to all the bonuses and payinhg will just get them faster. as it stands now 10 weeks literaly imposible to get all pets f2p which is of course FOMO whale bait

[rugged agate]

Time gate f2p by weeks

[exotic apex]

Nothing from lava in here?

[raven maple]

He said he isn't using blue gems because they aren't secure

[signal burrow]

He only said "Can't use blue gems because people cheat them" and ghosted

[worldly ore]

It takes like 7 years for f2p players to get the doot tho

[simple sierra]

And why does 99% of the playerbase get bent

[worldly ore]

And thats on avarage

[rugged agate]

Unless your lucky like ultra lucky

[raven maple]

Yeah I think the rarest companion rotating only when you receive it would be better, at least a step in the right direction

[worldly ore]

Or Imagine the opposite

[gray gale]

that....thats my point

[signal burrow]

Remember I did the math, 4 years of rolling doot (assuming it never rotates, which it will, lol). If you don't miss a single weekly roll, by year 4 you'll have an 80% chance to have doot.... 20% chance to still have jack-all.

[upbeat lily]

windows got the biggest thread in idleon lmao

[rugged agate]

💀

[raven maple]

Well, I would disagree massively, considering Doot destroys balance

[worldly ore]

Cant wait to have a family with kids in college to finally get doot 💀

[rugged agate]

Pass it on to next gen

[signal burrow]

Knowing Lava somewhere in his brain he's like "Well considering it'll take you like 6 years to get it, me asking $800 isn't that bad" lol

Straight sociopath vibes

[tender cosmos]

Where is the information that the pets will get rotated?

[raven maple]

About him not using blue gems? Because you can't even farm the green gems. Fair argument and definitely needs changed

[rugged agate]

Idk, but it saids batch 1

[terse nacelle]

It says pet batch 1, so surely there'll be more

[raven maple]

He didn't put it in notes, it was in stream. I believe the goal is once every 10 weeks

[rugged agate]

Unless it's a banner system

[scenic magnet]

#1119655394285998182 message 3 hours later, server still on fire. great way to make your playerbase confident in your abilities as a dev/community manager.

[upbeat wharf]

[scenic magnet]

adult to adult, you need to take accountability for your actions, even if to just say "f you, i put this in, intentionally and im not going to change it" give us closure so i can either keep playing, or uninstall and never look back.

[signal burrow]

Lava admitting fault happens at snail speed.

[scenic magnet]

and realize that i wasted 5 thousand hours on this game that i thought was different, but ended up a cash grab harder than any other game i've played

[raven maple]

He probably has a massive issue right now. He can't just roll it back because some people have already spent money on the pack or buying green gems. Right now he is probably just trying to figure out how to move forward

[worldly ore]

Cant wait for the next best pet to make all your cards and card sets passive or something :^)

[scenic magnet]

we've offered DOZENS of solutions at this point

[safe lichen]

It's also been 5? hours since launch lol

[upbeat wharf]

he did it on purpose

[signal burrow]

I don't know why people keep skirting this. Lava knew exactly what he was doing

[scenic magnet]

we know he did, he just needs to claim it, or even acknowledge were pissed off

[upbeat wharf]

it's not a "mistake", he wanted this

[simple sierra]

It's the players fault for not having enough money

[ancient terrace]

i'm back

[raven maple]

It doesn't really matter. It's up to him ultimately. It's better for him to think up a better response than rushing something out that will be picked apart by the community

[twilit scaffold]

He can issue refunds quite easily, then rebalance it.

[ancient terrace]

what happened to the reviews

[upbeat wharf]

and now he will either do nothing or giving two rolls per week and say its a problem solved

[signal burrow]

People keep playing this off like it was an "oopsie doopsie" innocent mistake. Lava is trying to gouge your bank account and you should be annoyed.

[upbeat wharf]

or say that we are just haters crying

[ancient terrace]

are the reviews still mixed

[green nexus]

Lots of unrecomended

[nocturne pagoda]

yes windows

[upbeat wharf]

yea but it went to 39% negative

[raven maple]

Sure, but until we get confirmation from him, we are all just guessing

[frozen scaffold]

61% mixed steadily dropping

[green nexus]

There's only been like 2 positive reviews since the update

[ancient terrace]

Good

[signal burrow]

Needs to drop another 2% to go red

[frozen scaffold]

\o/

[ancient terrace]

did lava say anything

[upbeat wharf]

and one is a joke XDD

[ancient terrace]

or is he still

[signal burrow]

👻

[twilit scaffold]

Yes, we're guessing, but we're being vocal about the fact that, you know, this isn't okay...

[green nexus]

Nope

[safe lichen]

surely if he fixes this everyone who still plays will go back and change their negative review to a positive one, even though they all say they are quitting for good but have not closed the game in 72 hours.

[frozen scaffold]

nah hes waiting to add is before prepared patch to garner sorry points from people while bleeding the wales some more

[signal burrow]

I will buy you a beer if Lava does the "right thing" here. That's how sure I am he's gonna be like "yea I missed up but I'm keeping the money"

[raven maple]

Again, he is probably thinking it over. He doesn't have to immediately put out a message

[twilit scaffold]

Considering his core values in his own words: he shouldn't need to think this over at all...

[raven maple]

Reminder, Lava is one guy and clearly doesn't have QA because he put this patch out without even considering it

[gray gale]

you dont need qa to determine that 7 years = bad

[raven maple]

So he can't change his mind on that?

[green nexus]

What if we all just leave the same suggestion a ton of times to fix pet followers

[shell citrus]

Even if doot was realistically obtainable f2p i feel like the bonus is literally too gamebreaking to even exist

[woven bone]

@raven maple wtf do you mean by one guy lol? Pretty sure he can do math and knows it takes YEARS lmao

[signal burrow]

That's the reason I think people are allowed to be insulted. You could literally grab a random cocaine-brained homeless person out of a street tent, give them a 5 minute synopsis of Idleon and then explain this patch and even he would be like "Bro that's a bad patch" before stabbing you and stealing your shoes

[twilit scaffold]

Saphier, you're really riding Lava hard here.

[leaden haven]

[raven maple]

With other issues that have popped up over the years of this game, it seems that Lava doesn't take into account every possibility. He should learn his lesson

[raven maple]

lmao, if you think this is riding, you have become a mega anti-fan

[obsidian tulip]

this kind of buff could be in world 7 or whatever, to like not think too much about certain old feature, but if it's on an actual new one it's weird

[shell citrus]

Yup

[obsidian tulip]

just like the god that make you not have to think about placing peoples in lab

[dim summit]

Adding locked gacha is not a minor mistake

[gray gale]

i guess imma mega-anti fan bois, who's in 💀

[twilit scaffold]

I have other issues with Lava as is with not having a reply to a suport ticket since 2019. This is just icing on the cake at this point.

[shell citrus]

The steam reviews are on ''mixed'' for the first time i think

[woven bone]

@raven maple what do you mean
He doesn't take in account every possibility? He surely knows how bad these odds are, people have spent thousand and still haven't gotten doot

[raven maple]

Sure, but that doesn't mean he has to immediately respond. I think the whole thing was horribly implemented. But I am not going to make any judgements unti he puts something out about what he is going to do about it

[upbeat yoke]

exaclty how i feel! it makes sense when old systems are simplified many worlds later to keep the number of systems managable long term but divinity is brand new, and without having to manage (or even unlock) all the gods in divinity...like whats the point of divinity points if you have doot, whats the point of that entire system (which is litearly one of 3 systems in W5!)

[signal burrow]

Windows is the meme master and I love him

[dim summit]

Yes but until a better fix, I will have a negative steam review along with 100s of others

[leaden haven]

so divinity is bricked by doot at this point? just get doot, no praying ever in w5?

[dim summit]

Just get doot is spending 200 bucks

[hot portal]

I think you still need to get doot to use them

[signal burrow]

$200? Add a zero

[gray gale]

just get doot 5head

[hot portal]

They're asking what doot does exactly

[raven maple]

There have been things that were just no brainers (Blobulyte selling gold for gold and he admitted he knew this). If I had to guess, he probably just looked at Genshin/Honkai rates and said "yeah that's good" and put them in

[upbeat yoke]

yea basicly lol. ig you need divnity to upgrade secondary minor bonuses but those are p much nothing. but only 1% of players who spend a lot of money will have dute so

[brazen shore]

Windows that was almost perfect

[signal burrow]

Let's not forget having doot makes it so you can min/max samples without doing cock and ball torture

[raven maple]

Yeah sure, but I don't see a point in shitting on him endlessly because he hasn't replied in a few hours

[leaden haven]

i meant. you dont even need to unlock gods then? apparantly you're getting all god bonuses?

[green nexus]

Doot means no lab or divinity ever again, plus like 20 insane bonuses for all of your characters all of the time without and management

[upbeat yoke]

fr

[woven bone]

@raven maple well, then, shouldn't he start to market this as a gatcha then? First chips, then divinity, then sailing, and now doot lmao

[upbeat yoke]

it awstounds me he would even look at those games for reference...they are gacha games people play them for that expirence. this is an idle game where you expect to be able to make consitent progress by playing

[green nexus]

W6 needs to be skill based

[ancient terrace]

chips?

[twilit scaffold]

https://i.imgur.com/scH1jQ6.png

[raven maple]

Shitting on him without him putting out an official statement is just going to make you unironically hate him when he does eventually fix it. There is some hardcore circle jerking happening. I don't agree with his implementation. There are definitely VERY EASY fixes to this issue that he should've considered. He clearly needs helping developing the game. But I'm waiting for his reply before I say anything concretely

[ancient terrace]

chips are kinda just 'pay to gamble or wait 57 years for one to come back'

[obsidian tulip]

wonder if doot give buff even without being at world 5

[ancient terrace]

while companions are

[upbeat yoke]

i cant confirm but ive heard it does

[woven bone]

@ancient terrace that's what I mean lol. I've been waiting for the card douvler for months :))

[ancient terrace]

'pay to gamble way higher amounts of money into the thousands at a chance for the cool dune miniboss that never comes back'

[upbeat yoke]

your right being mean and shitting on him doesnt seem helpful, but we do also have to voice critisim so he can hoepfully do smthing abt this

[ancient terrace]

chips are way more tame when it comes to gamba

[raven maple]

I kind of agree? It's not just about the Gacha experience from Hoonkai/Genshin. That would just be normal gambling or skin gambling for CSGO

[signal burrow]

Bro you're forgetting that he INTENTIONALLY did something scuffed

[woven bone]

Yeah but that's where it started tbh

[obsidian tulip]

even the +25 all talent is totally crazy for many peoples tbh. literally destroy whole early game progression

[woven bone]

Thag's my point

[signal burrow]

This isn't a "oopsie I made an error in judgement" It was straight up first degree

[gray gale]

plot twist saph = undercover lava

[twilit scaffold]

But to hit basically a 50/50 chance at Doot you're in at least 77 rolls - and that's at maxed drop chance for it. Not even including the windup for it: https://i.imgur.com/j07fYpc.png

[upbeat yoke]

skins are cosmetic tho which is a big difference ofc. csgo would be insane if the rare skins also gave u double gun damage

[simple sierra]

Well you dont need fury for 200 tent anymore

[raven maple]

Yeah I agree

[signal burrow]

Normally I would agree as well but historically Lava hasn't remedied his bs unless there's massive pushback

[raven maple]

Yeah but when I refer to skin gambling, I mean the skin gambling websites, not just getting the skins

[signal burrow]

Otherwise he just calls you haters and keeps collecting the $

[raven maple]

God I hope not

[green nexus]

I just want pets to have no bonus other than looking cool

[simple sierra]

Manbaby doesnt admit his mistakes until he gets ego checked

[ancient terrace]

399

[signal burrow]

It's about 220 rolls for 80% chance. Which is 4 years of collecting "free" rolls

[lyric otter]

pets should have been cosmetic only.
Bonuses like doot are going to suck to miss out on
Trading is going to cause all sorts of problems if it gets added - scamming, account stealing etc.

[ancient terrace]

400

We did it

[vernal vale]

calling him names doesnt do good for the people who just want a change in the system

[woven bone]

"Yo guyz haters are malding rn haha, can u pls drop a positive steam review? Haha thx"@signal burrow

[twilit scaffold]

About checks out: https://i.imgur.com/3ogYP5x.png

[lyric otter]

Cosmetic only pets = trading is based on tastes, not power value

[green nexus]

Just make it like pokemon, maybe have a pet battle between players just for fun

[lyric otter]

like who's going to trade a doot, and for what?

[signal burrow]

I used chatgpt so 😂

[twilit scaffold]

OSRS dry calc

[nocturne pagoda]

introducing : pet rotations every 10 weeks

[signal burrow]

Want doot? See you in probably 30 years if you don't swipe

[raven maple]

mm, I think minor bonuses from companions would be fine. Highest being like 5% all stat bonus? but ALL DIVINITIES? Not sure about that one CHIEF

[twilit scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[vernal vale]

just get lucky, win the lottery i mean

just win 1m$ and

[nocturne pagoda]

"or maybe not in so long, idk just yet, but just in case, swipe now so you don't miss out !!"

[ancient terrace]

the new pet companions starterpack

[winged notch]

Look, all fine and dandy, but the price of the green gems, making it rng dependant and scaling up the costs of green gems for a roll were definitely not a mistake. I presume he also tested how strong having all divinity gods is before he implemented it, so making the top prize pretty bonkers even remotely close to anything you could buy in the game before, probably was pretty intentional for a currency that you cant farm. Also rotates out in 10 weeks, so better hope you get lucky with your free rolls, or spam some dollaridoos, probably comes back in 2 years, if jewels and chips are anything to look at.

[signal burrow]

It comes a point where getting something f2p is so unrealistic that it may as well not even have free rolls to begin with and just unapologetically have a $ sign button.

[nocturne pagoda]

all divinites all bubbles +25 talents EKSDEE

[upbeat lily]

how do u even see the first post in threads

[twilit scaffold]

The worst part though? This is collection 1. Means other collections are going to have just as bad of odds likely if this is how it was implemented.

[upbeat lily]

lmao

[signal burrow]

Search by the thread creator and click his first post probs

[raven maple]

Yup all good points. I just don't agree with shitting on him infinitely because he hasn't responded

[ancient terrace]

he responded

[nocturne pagoda]

I mean he's gonna adress the stuff in like 10 hours just like for the sailing bug etc

[signal burrow]

I mean he thought you(we) are stupid enough that he could fleece you. I can see why people are upsetti spaghetti

[raven maple]

Yeah these were fucking nutty. I do question why he wasn't hinting at these bonuses

[ancient terrace]

with a joke

[twilit scaffold]

I'd sometimes agree with that statement, but when it's this big of a fuck up? Nah. This is immediate response territory.

[craggy galleon]

I just sent feedback that would fix this:)
https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1119742321488056390

[raven maple]

Yeah I am waiting for the reply before I fully commit to an opinion

[vernal vale]

but this aint no joke tho

[nocturne pagoda]

but when you release something sensitive af like this you HAVE TO keep an eye on instant feedback like that's PR 101

[modest blade]

I mean maybe he knew the reaction people would have

[frozen scaffold]

breached them 59%

[raven maple]

Its a possibility, but I am not going to assign malice where it could be explained with ignorance

[signal burrow]

In typical Lava fashion, "Plan A" is - Hope it blows over and say nothing. He only ever really responds if the pushback is constant and unending

[obsidian tulip]

just afraid that he gonna wait some time, then answer "peoples already bought to get pets, I can't nerf them or they will be sad"

[ancient terrace]

it is

its a sad lava excuse

[frozen scaffold]

well its unending if the game is dead

[cunning nest]

says the same person who reverted all sailing process

[vernal vale]

no its a bad dev excuse. its the way he handles blue gems. doesnt mean its a joke

just because you dont like it

[nocturne pagoda]

I mean blue gems

what a STUPID idea to drop them in item form

and client side

how stupid is it

[vernal vale]

can he "fix" it easily? probably not

[ancient terrace]

there are easy solutions

[ancient terrace]

Yes

[vernal vale]

do you know how the game is coded?

[ancient terrace]

make pets with blue gems untradeable

[obsidian tulip]

kinda new dev can make kinda new dev error my guy

[ancient terrace]

Spaghetti

[signal burrow]

Lava could take all this blowback, do the right thing, instill a bunch of good-will and faith in himself as a developer and come out smelling like roses. But we all know he's gonna go full skinner meme and put his mouth over a vacuum. And that's primarily why I'm annoyed because I already know he's gonna do Lava

[vernal vale]

this aint riot chief

[twilit scaffold]

That's an insult to spaghetti.

[sinful willow]

Badly

[craggy galleon]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1119742321488056390 - doesn't need much coding, only reports from Steam/Apple/Google and link it to the accounts in his db.

[nocturne pagoda]

that kind of stuff needs to get fixed as soon as he discovers it + idleon mmo isnt his first experience so iffy argument IMO

[signal burrow]

Especially when he's refused to hire help

[vernal vale]

probably not the case. if you are bad at being a dev, which people think he is and he probably is, its the case of: i cant fix it because if i "just change it", i breaks the game because idfk

[sinful willow]

When I posted honest feedback last time my post got deleted

[ancient terrace]

wise words from a deaf man

[obsidian tulip]

still just a dev error, it happen no need to insult for that kind of things tbh, but yeah he should definitly fix this problem instead of creating a new gem system

[signal burrow]

Reviews just went under 59%, about to turn red boys. Maybe that will summon the dark overlord off his cheeto chair

[nocturne pagoda]

"Stupid" was aimed at the idea and the concept, not lava, so eh

[brazen shore]

Didn't you know, the best games have multiple premium currencies and not one of them is called predatory

[tall wing]

Oh really?

[obsidian tulip]

late for me, misread the "how stupid is it" as "how stupid he is" my bad

[green nexus]

They don't have a p2w gacha with game breaking bonuses

[nocturne pagoda]

no worries my dude

[twilit scaffold]

It's "coded" in Stencil.

[nocturne pagoda]

or dudette

[sinful willow]

I can't review more than once sadly

[nocturne pagoda]

or w/e you identify as

[nocturne pagoda]

you can edit review to change it

[winged notch]

I can respect that. Let the man speak. But generally speaking in life, actions tend to matter more than words.

[sinful willow]

It's already quite negative lol

[brazen shore]

It was sarcasm lol most games with multiple premium currencies are frowned upon

[signal burrow]

People are fine with premium currencies even multiple types in one game, as long as there's no "Spend $500 or you're basically a peasant" type stuff which we're seeing in doot

[brazen shore]

Yup

Most of that type I know are war games that are highly predatory

[vernal vale]

@craggy galleon the way you wrote it would be an announcement, but not a solution to the problem. there is a reason he cant change the way blue gems are right now, and im pretty sure he wont say why in detail because it would make it easier for people to cheat and get everything in the gem shop for free for eternity.

[signal burrow]

It's so beyond that pale obviously intentional I have a hard time taking anyone seriously when they say ANYTHING along the lines of "Lava just made a mistake"

[nocturne pagoda]

I think we triggered the Steam bot

[brazen shore]

Kek

[plush tree]

yeah mine got reviewed as well but it went through

[frozen scaffold]

lava wrote to steam hes getting bombed and its not his fault

[vernal vale]

i wont take anyone serious who calls a dev names because they fked up lol

[frozen scaffold]

protect me daddy gaben

[brazen shore]

Probably

[vernal vale]

devs cant do that

[frozen scaffold]

boooo

[signal burrow]

I truly think people being mad at Lava and taking actual insult with this is entirely reasonable. He unabashedly thinks you're stupid enough to be okay with being fleeced

[nocturne pagoda]

hey steam, haters are hating sned help

[vernal vale]

its an automated response from steam when they get too many reviews, positive and negative

[brazen shore]

[signal burrow]

He tried to fleece you, you're allowed to break out the adhom bazookas

[nocturne pagoda]

at the same time, I don't condone it, adhominem never brings anyone anywhere

[nocturne pagoda]

but I understand it

[vernal vale]

im talking about everyone, not only about lava. the moment you attack the person behind a game you are a kid whos opinion is void

[signal burrow]

Well by adhom bazooka I mean calling him predatory

[nocturne pagoda]

Unless you're attacking CertainlyT

[signal burrow]

Obviously saying Lava is like, braindead or something isn't correct. Especially because this wasn't an oopsie-doopsie

[craggy galleon]

it's actually a solution -> he already has the solution in form of green gems.... he just replaces the old currency system with new one and links everything to it while reseting it in the process.... visually it will still be a blue gem, but it will use the green gem system he introduced..... for non-technical players this all looks just like a gem reset

[nocturne pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-nun-warrior-nun-netflix-obcrack-future-warrior-nuns-ava-silva-gif-18254509

[vernal vale]

well yes, he deserves every hate he can get /s

[signal burrow]

I'm ngl Lava has an ego so if people ripping into him serves as a preventative measure to make sure he does less of ... this... I'm maybe okay with dealing with that devil.

[vernal vale]

why would he go and reset the system that is the same in both his games just because of this?

[leaden haven]

what's the point of giving us extra gems w/o a new shop rotaion or being able to use em for new pets

[vernal vale]

there is a difference in calling out that what he did is bad and calling him names tho

[upbeat yoke]

anyone find it strange he never posted about the pet system in future content blog? normaly with any update he hapily shares sneak peaks. its like he knew this would be an unliked predatory system and didint want chances for feedback before publishing it

[signal burrow]

It's the internet, if you step up to the plate you're gonna get balls pitched.

[brazen shore]

Is he going to then introduce a way to earn green gems or will future upgrades just be linked to pure cash

[ancient terrace]

its not the same

[nocturne pagoda]

strange, just like he knew it was scummy and predatory

how weird

[ancient terrace]

its actually reasonable in IS

[vernal vale]

i meant its both blue gems, thats what i mean

[ancient terrace]

because you dont depend on the eyes to get pets

and you know what ur getting when you buy pets and mutate them

ah

[signal burrow]

Yeah I did afterlife entirely f2p and didn't feel like 2 fat kids were duct taped to my ankles

[vernal vale]

which game dev openly posts "hey guys im gonna push you guys an update that makes you want to spent a lot of money if you dont want to wait years to unlock everything"

[upbeat yoke]

yea exactly, every other major feature he shares a pretty cosntiant slew of sneak peaks of. compare the releease of this compared to rift (another large bonus but not predatory) where rift had tons of sneak peaks and anouncments about the bonuss. this pet update was just radio silence and then boom giant upgrades

[upbeat yoke]

yee no exactly my point. i feel like it shows intentionality

[vernal vale]

it just shows he learned from the big bois

dont shoot yourself in the foot

[mystic prawn]

for some reason I cant stop reading this 🧵

[scenic magnet]

doot doot yourself in the doot

because we arent getting anywhere, and are being ignored 😉

[gray gale]

remember to leave a review on steam 🙂

[sinful willow]

I updated mine, can't leave two

[vernal vale]

its amusing to me, i understand both points but would spent money to unlock everything rn but my steam says fk you

[signal burrow]

I'm fully prepared for this as the response

[sinful willow]

Did you know you can't choose to un-follow pets

[scenic magnet]

i just want any sort of message

[sinful willow]

You're stuck with one after choosing

[vernal vale]

it probably is gonna take a while for a message

[upbeat yoke]

fr fr seems likes a simple feature that should be in the release of a pet system. what if i dont want one

[scenic magnet]

he could give us a giant middle finger gif, and id be satisfied

[sinful willow]

Can't wait to spend 10k monthly and not get what I want

[mystic prawn]

lol

[gray gale]

but wait, there's more!!

[nocturne pagoda]

can't wait for Shiny Doot to insta kill all mobs on a map with laser eyes

[mystic prawn]

didnt even read that part, now im truly scared

[nocturne pagoda]

with a high droprate of only 0.0001% !

[sinful willow]

Dw after you pay 500$ it increases

[craggy galleon]

this is the new #general chat:)

[ancient terrace]

yay i made it stay as 420

[vernal vale]

no, general chat is just people talking shit

[compact abyss]

to 0.00001, it increased by a 0

[mystic prawn]

guess ill go play shoot some headcrabs in VR and forget idleon for a while, maybe it was just a bad dream and when I come back I cant find this thread or doots anywhere and everyone is just happily posting big gains in gen chat and pinching for good measure

[sinful willow]

Copium, just like sailing incident

[forest blaze]

cap % for doot is 0.76%

and at that point pulls are 250 of the currency

[upbeat yoke]

its also insane that this level of bonuses are only the first rotation of pets. is every single pet rotation going to containt an insanely rare gamebreaking pet?

[nocturne pagoda]

or multiple, like this one ?

[sinful willow]

But I mean, what's more game breaking than full divinity equip right now

[nocturne pagoda]

legit nothing

[vernal vale]

and at some point we get a pet that lets us print all our samples at once in the printer

[sinful willow]

Maybe the bonuses are always the same but the pets change. Idk, still dumb

[nocturne pagoda]

it would've been fine as a w7 ish bonus somewhere

[upbeat yoke]

yea outside of something stupid like 1000% afk gain rate i cant think of a stronger upgrade to account progresion

[frozen scaffold]

next rotation no bubble left behind but for stamps ?

[forest blaze]

Introduction Shiny Doot, times your final damage number by ten !!!

[gray gale]

thats data mined?

[vernal vale]

im lava3 you know, i already know all the future things

its just a guess

[radiant glacier]

I mean the whole situation is kinda bad, all flame the person behind the game. Also people are angry because the intention of the game until today was kinda different to gacha mechanics.

The whole game is an incremental game, you can unlock nearly everything by playing the game. The longer you play the more likely it will that you unlock certain upgrades that help to unlock (jewels,plants,pets). But for the new pets there isnt something like this. Also the bonuses of the best pets are better then whole other aspects of the game. Like doot is maybe better than all shiny bonuses compared

I hope he will find a way to make it kinda farmable for all players without spending hundreds of dollars

[vernal vale]

but given the power of doot, its not unlikely

[forest blaze]

i found this game from a reddit ad of him bragging about it not being p2w

[vernal vale]

well the game was not p2w

[upbeat lily]

Next rotation. Double all card effects and they all become passive.

[frosty nebula]

and here I thought a system worse than the rotating lab chips couldn't be created. And now we have this

[radiant glacier]

tripple that

[upbeat lily]

True

[ancient terrace]

guys

[forest blaze]

actually a high chance of a thing making all cards passive

[ancient terrace]

i request the lava insults stop

[vernal vale]

"Equip all your Card Presets at the same time"

[nocturne pagoda]

"I hope he will find a way to make it kinda farmable for all players without spending hundreds of dollars"

It's not the goal there dude

[ancient terrace]

the more lava insults the more likely im getting banned for some reason

so...

keep it civil

only insult the update

[signal burrow]

https://tenor.com/bqr9T.gif

Bro you started a thread criticising Lava you're...

[forest blaze]

insulting the update is insulting lava considering he is judge and jury on whether something makes it into the game

[vernal vale]

wait you want people to behave like normal human beings?

[radiant glacier]

i mean i already spend 50€ cause i am gacha addicted, i hate it if there something i cant unlock. The systems hurts me a lot

[leaden haven]

yeah. i just want a fix for this.. way too expensive rng gacha

[vernal vale]

you know the price for a maxed out char in honkai?

its cheap for a gatcha

[ancient terrace]

i know im dead

[sinful willow]

Wait until this post gets deleted just like mine

[ancient terrace]

but dont overkill me

[nocturne pagoda]

you and me both brother, former gacha giga addict in recovery, seeing the update infurated me so hard

[signal burrow]

When Windows XP gets banned and suddenly there's a fresh account called Windows Vista we'll all know what happened

[cunning nest]

at least it's cheap and not likely to go away at random

[forest blaze]

key difference, advertised gacha game (with a pity mechanic btw) vs game advertised and bragged about not being p2w with potential sink of tens of thousands for a sub 1% pull with no pity

[ancient terrace]

i dont plan on bringing alts

[vernal vale]

i meant idleon gatcha is cheap compared

[forest blaze]

no, it's really not

[vernal vale]

it is, if you compare it to a gatcha

[ancient terrace]

2000$ 🤏

[vernal vale]

yeah

like i said

[forest blaze]

it's really not but okay champ

[vernal vale]

cheap

[signal burrow]

Punch you have the wildest takes lol

[forest blaze]

you're just wrong lmao

[vernal vale]

its cheap for a gatcha

[forest blaze]

you can f2p save for a 5*

[vernal vale]

not in general

[forest blaze]

how you getting doot f2p without wild rng

you're just outright wrong

[leaden haven]

the way this game is going with gambling, it most likely is going to be unlisted for certain countries

[vernal vale]

did you even read what i wrote?

[forest blaze]

it isn't a matter of opinion, you're just wrong

it's not "cheap for a gacha"

[vernal vale]

compared to a maxed out char in a gatcha, which doot is equal to, idleon is cheap

[forest blaze]

except, it's not

[vapid plank]

It's not really that cheap for a gacha. Honkai/Genshin are both significantly more expensive than the average gacha.

[forest blaze]

also doot is worse than a 5* banner lmao

doot effects your whole account

pulling effects that single character

[odd wind]

honestly i thought pet follower system would be linked with the current pet system. unlock new followers the way you unlock new pets.

[vernal vale]

worse then a maxed out char? idk man

[forest blaze]

yes

it is worse

[signal burrow]

Doot basically Super Saiyans your account I can't see a comparison to anything else

[vernal vale]

even epic seven has prices around 6.5k

[forest blaze]

dude

[vernal vale]

ss+ char in any gatcha pretty much

[forest blaze]

you're making such a terrible comparison

no

[radiant glacier]

even starrail most people achieved e6 char with 1000€ so 2000 is quite cheap for game where all upgrades in gem store together where less then 400€

[forest blaze]

once again, just no.

honkai, genshin, they don't have characters that just blanket buff your overall account

[gray gale]

anyone got spare change for a non-doot haver?

https://tenor.com/view/spare-change-begging-homeless-money-beg-gif-12592733

[lyric otter]

Star Rail at least has Pom Pom, who is cute

[vapid plank]

I play E7. I have almost all units, including MLs, and only buy the the monthly packs for $15.

[forest blaze]

you have to actively use the character to benefit from pulling on it

[vernal vale]

for how long?

im talking max pitty and all

like you need for doot if you want 100% chance

if we compare, we make it equal

[forest blaze]

you have no 100% chance at doot, that's the thing

you can spend 100k and if youre unlucky you wont get it

with max tier treat the chance is sub 1%

[vernal vale]

you dont have a 100% chance in almost all gatcha

[forest blaze]

yes you do

every gacha has a pity mechanic

[frozen scaffold]

watchout its lava in disguise

[vernal vale]

and the pitty is almost always 50/50

[forest blaze]

no

[ancient terrace]

posting this until lava says something

[forest blaze]

50/50 followed by guarantee

do you even play gacha

[vapid plank]

I don't really want to get into a lengthy debate about comparisons. I was just pointing out 'it's cheap for a gacha' isn't really true.

[vernal vale]

i played 8 gatchas for years

so maybe i played some

[forest blaze]

clearly not

considering you dont even know how to spell it

[lyric otter]

I do find it funny people are going "other gatcha are as bad or worse" when Lava has made a point of saying how he's not greedy like corporations

[radiant glacier]

i think you need at least american express platinum

[lyric otter]

at the end of the day Pet Gatcha is super predatory

[forest blaze]

yeah but the thing is, that's not even true. every gacha has a pity and a guarantee mechanic

[gray gale]

the turns have tabled

[forest blaze]

this is worse than Tower of Fantasy, Genshin and Honkai by a long shot

[swift raven]

nah just that ones that have a sliver of concience

[sinful willow]

I played FGO years ago and it didn't have a pity mechanic tbh, I could never find what I wanted (or any 5* for what it matters)

[vernal vale]

someone said its like a gacha, and if you compare it to one, you get told that its not a gacha

[forest blaze]

ToF definitely doesn't have a conscience

[scenic magnet]

get doot or dont exist, there are only two options

[forest blaze]

and they even have pity lmao

[obsidian tulip]

Playing summoners war, there no pity mechanics
But the comparaison don't make sense anyway

[signal burrow]

I feel like 90% of the reason people are ripping into Lava is because he's intentionally marketed Idleon as free of bullshit p2w predatory activision sorta nonsense then goes "lol jk"

You invest hundreds if not thousands of hours into the game and he goes "lol abbbbout that"

[sinful willow]

Wait until 11th character slot has to be paid with 50$ green gems

[lyric otter]

If he wanted 20$ for all pets sure w/e

[nocturne pagoda]

especially because w6 will probably get balanced around having it, otherwise whales will rip through it and be bored

[vernal vale]

i think they changed it and it now has a pitty system but im not sure

[gray gale]

do we know what the other 30 pets do yet? are they in the game files?

[vapid plank]

Not sure what point you're trying to make, here. All I'm saying is it's not cheap for a gacha.

[forest blaze]

FGO has pity now

[scenic magnet]

who cares when doot is all you need

[upbeat yoke]

yea thats how i feel. if genshin rolled out a new system with this kind of p2w gacha system i wouldnt mind so much because thats the game i signed up to play. i understand idleon has to make money but all of his marketing has been that this game is by gamers for gamers and not p2w

[sinful willow]

"Sorry to unlock W6 you need to buy the seasonal expansion pass"

[forest blaze]

This Gacha mechanic is worse than actual gacha games. Plain and simple lol

even if a gacha didn't have a pity system, you still don't get a blanket account wide benefit

[signal burrow]

It's not even "Idleon needs money" because there's lots of ways to monetize in a healthy way, even bigboy whale target style monetization (e.g. cosmetics)

[radiant glacier]

cant compare seasonal expension pass to gacha mechanics

[vernal vale]

if you say so

[nocturne pagoda]

your pass expired but your chars are still in w6 !! Renew to unlock them again ?

[forest blaze]

once again, not a matter of opinion. You're just outright wrong.

[signal burrow]

Lava intentionally took a few paces into the dark side of online gambling today and there's no arguing otherwise

This is dark side even for gaccha standards

[forest blaze]

the question is, is his ego too big to admit he messed up and actually make a change

[upbeat yoke]

yea no its far past that. i meant that in the im ok with the gem packs for premuim wings and things up until now, but this is 5 steps to far

[lyric otter]

I dont know how much this can be walked back with people having already spent tons of money

[signal burrow]

He's got an ego the size of a yacht (which ironically he's probably trying to afford given this behavior) so I dunno bro

[vapid plank]

I have no trouble spending cash here or in gachas, but this update is really disappointing.

[forest blaze]

he's trying to recoop loses from the mod menu users by punishing actual players

change my mind

[radiant glacier]

until now i told me that he doesnt know better cause there werent any gacha like systems in there before. Hope for the best until the end

[signal burrow]

W4 chips were hella gacha but people just chalked it up to Lava being a bit too heavy handed with RNG and more or less forgave it

Then he does this

goodwill yeeted right out the window

[lyric otter]

Yeah

[radiant glacier]

all chips i got through farming

[lyric otter]

w4 crystals at least had a knock-out system

[radiant glacier]

and all were kinda farmable at least one time a year

[forest blaze]

the silence for the past 4 hours shows he's just watching the money roll in and ignoring the problems lol

[signal burrow]

I would bet my last $1 he's sitting in his apartment actually angry that we have the audacity to say hes being predatory

[nocturne pagoda]

not really, it was the same for sailing bug

[sinful willow]

Wait for him to close the game tomorrow and leave with 1m cash

[signal burrow]

Bros' ego is skyscraper tier

[forest blaze]

that would actually be a huge issue, EU players would have a field day ruining his life

[sinful willow]

I would be devastated if it were me tbh, I'd ask for forgiveness in a thousand different ways and feel bad for my mistake

[nocturne pagoda]

POV ego

[sinful willow]

I don't know how he can live with himself

He thinks he's the center of the world

[signal burrow]

He won't. I 100% no bullshit think he's decided to quit developing the game and just wants to squeeze as much passive income out of it while it's still relevant

[gray gale]

https://tenor.com/view/molorant-rich-ckaz-money-gif-22223824

LAVA POV

[signal burrow]

So I expect a series of whale targeted nonsense until he just stops doing updates

This is why I can't spend any more money on this game

[nocturne pagoda]

same

[ancient terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-man-money-tears-sad-rich-tears-gif-16511548

lava crying at the steam reviews (totally legit)

[signal burrow]

It's more sad than anything tbh. I can't imagine being in the headspace to intentionally nuke a game people love

Maybe he got a bad prostate exam and he's got some mad medical bills or something who knows lol

There's gotta be a reason outside of "lolmoney"

[nocturne pagoda]

probably not

[gray gale]

griffy reacts waiting room

[lime sparrow]

🍿

[upbeat yoke]

yea it seems very uncharhistic of him. while the sailing stuff did go down very poorly in the end it really felt like he was trying to navigate a dificult situation in a way that was healthy in the long term (even if he admitly didint do the best job of it) this update however, almost cannot be an honest mistake and is v clearly a game breaking cash grab

[lyric otter]

new pet follower

give him your wacky 3 digits for big bonus

[ancient terrace]

No that's king doot

[upbeat yoke]

adds 2 new charchter slots, and gilds your first 2 charchters giving +200% afk gain rate for all acitviiteis

[tall oar]

This game got reviewbombed twice in a month 💀

[brazen shore]

lmao

[muted chasm]

He was trying to help us, he knew what was coming

[upbeat yoke]

spring update was great and qol update was good too. i really wanna enjoy this game and trust its updates. but the past month hasnt been a good look

[sinful willow]

Not even a full month has passed

[modest zenith]

yeah and you add in the sailling rollback due to his own bug he didnt want to fix. just a mess.

[tall oar]

Yeah like 3 weeks or so

[modest zenith]

yeah he over punished people due to a very few really abusing it.

[sinful willow]

Due to his mistake

That he didn't want to admit

[modest zenith]

yep im still recovering.

[sinful willow]

Imagine what Lava could do with a small team

[brazen shore]

More MTX

[modest zenith]

and i only got to 100m bars lol

[tall oar]

A small team requires more funding 💀

[sinful willow]

Someone handling pr (not him please), Lava can do sprite work, 2 people coding (still not him please)

[signal burrow]

Right but anyone who would have your reaction wouldn't pull what Lava has tried to pull on us today, to begin with

[burnt spindle]

you mean lava made some questionable choices twice in a month?

[brazen shore]

Lava got unfairly bullied twice in a month for being a super amazing and generous dev

[signal burrow]

You gotta stop and consider, that if this is what rolled out. What DIDN'T pass Lava's sniff test? What kind of man made horrors beyond comprehension were flying around in his mind where this was the winning idea

[burnt spindle]

[boreal tide]

for a second I thought they could be duped

[warm aspen]

Yeah you can get a FREE companion every week!!!

[ancient terrace]

@worldly lance dont worry i actually didnt get a doot lol

[signal burrow]

Imagine spending like $2000 to get Doot then 99% of the population gets one via rampant duping... dooting?

[worldly lance]

Haha, im still waiting for apple to push the update so i can get my “free” common pet already

[signal burrow]

Enjoy your slime

[ancient terrace]

play in web

or steam or bluestacks

unless you dont have a pc

[worldly lance]

Waiting for parts for my pc 😂

[ancient terrace]

then you have to wait for your bloque

[worldly lance]

Bloque is too good, itll be a slime

[ancient terrace]

b e a n

[worldly lance]

Gotta get the +25% gold balls in arcade

[obsidian tulip]

Time to create new account until i get doot, will be worth to reset if i get it anyway. I'm only at early w4!

[granite citrus]

big gold ball strats

[ancient terrace]

imma do that just for fun

[worldly lance]

See you after 400+ accounts

[obsidian tulip]

Time to rebirth

[ancient terrace]

lets see how many accs it takes

[upbeat wharf]

literally true

[sinful willow]

Bro is busy let him cook

[upbeat wharf]

it's that op that is worth to reset XDD

[upbeat wharf]

hahahaahsajhsajsa

this is getting so far

[obsidian tulip]

Dont hesitate to sell the account after, real business plan right there

[upbeat yoke]

huh?

[signal burrow]

Wonder how many people are seeing Idleon in steams top charts then looking at these reviews and being like "... maybe not"

[upbeat wharf]

everything is fine sir!

let's just pretend that the ones with bad review are haters

and lava did everything well

[tall oar]

I wish I could post images - This thing rotated 180 degrees saying "Yeah, it's all good!"

[upbeat wharf]

and he is not making thousands of dollars with this shit

[simple sierra]

Isnt this game localized for german

[signal burrow]

This is why I keep saying it's pretty conceivable he's just abandoning the game "silent quitting" as it were and just squeezing as much as he can

[upbeat wharf]

and he won't pretend he regretts this but will keep the money

[simple sierra]

Its gonna get banned in germany

For gambling

Lol

[gray gale]

was may 24th the sailing update? what happened there

[simple sierra]

Yes

Gold bar

[upbeat wharf]

yea

[sinful willow]

That's what happened with the sailing incident

[upbeat wharf]

when he fixed the bug

[gray gale]

bif oof

[lyric otter]

the red means "its on fire" (in a good way)

[upbeat wharf]

yeaaa of course players fault

[tall oar]

Gorgeous

Thank you

[upbeat wharf]

not a fkin bug fault

[toxic grail]

no the red is negative reviews

[obsidian lance]

refund peoples money take this out redo it in a fun way because this is horrible

[upbeat wharf]

hahahsahsahsa

[patent badger]

i tried to calm down but this shit is too outrageous i might have to stop playing since i shouldnt let it bother me this much

[boreal tide]

it means "its on fire" (in a good way)

[toxic grail]

ah

yes

[upbeat wharf]

ofc

because lavaflame is red

[lyric otter]

Record breaking!

[modest zenith]

would love to see this update as ultra rare drops

[upbeat wharf]

and that means good

[ancient terrace]

how do you

[ancient terrace]

unlock doge

[upbeat wharf]

so very good reviews in this update

[sinful willow]

Maybe unlock w4 or w5

[boreal tide]

guess the dog is unlocked mid way w1?

[sinful willow]

Or maybe

[rain berry]

No doge?

[sinful willow]

Have you tried inserting your first 3 digits on your credit card

[ancient terrace]

My w2 alt has doge

[placid knot]

dont play on ios

[tall oar]

No doge, obviously we don't want to expose new players to our scummy p2w mechanics

[upbeat wharf]

and the security code?

[sinful willow]

Sure, expiration date as well if you want to

[nocturne pagoda]

you need level 10 to have the corgi

[ancient terrace]

I'm not on fucking ios

[upbeat wharf]

hshahahhahaha

[rain berry]

May have to complete the lava task thing

[ancient terrace]

lets see

[upbeat wharf]

bcause it's a game made by a gamer, for gamers

without marketing scum

[rotund harbor]

this sucks, man.

[tall oar]

"Gamers LOVE mechanics like this! They exist in a lot of other games so obviously they will enjoy it, right? It totally makes sense!"

[sinful willow]

3k+ replies still going strong, this is the new #idleon-gen-chat

[upbeat wharf]

let's keep going

more negative than positive in this month

more negative reviews than when the game came out

[amber stream]

I really hope Lava is MIA because he is trying to come up with a way to fix this situation without upsetting either f2p or the ones who already spent, not because he wants to wait for the storm to blow over

[upbeat wharf]

this guy missed the new update

[tall oar]

Man that aged well

[amber stream]

Like fine milk

[frozen scaffold]

lava buying reviews with the wale money

[sinful willow]

Just like before

[upbeat wharf]

shahhahaahah there is nothing to fix for him, he wanted this, he got thousands of dollars and now he will give something to "compensate"

[twilit scaffold]

It's simple. He refunds people that spent.

[sinful willow]

Just wait for a thousand positive reviews tomorrow saying "good game" and nothing more from people who have 0.2 hrs

[twilit scaffold]

If he changes the rates afterwards as a "balance change" people have standing to Steam refund.

[ancient terrace]

lol i got a slime

[upbeat lily]

Given how easily this game is exploited, hacked, and manipulated. Its funny he didnt make it blue gems cause its insecure

[modest zenith]

exactly and it will probbaly happen to

[lyric otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741696802666840167/1119761848565252197/Discord_gz3ROWbee8.png
also accidentally called this a year ago

[upbeat lily]

shade is slightly off

[amber stream]

I agree that having it cost "cheatable" gems does not work if he wants to add trading. So EITHER do not add trading or fix the gem situation

[lyric otter]

trading is going to be such a fucking mess

newbies are going to get scammed

people are gonna get accounts stolen

[amber stream]

Jup

[onyx fog]

Okay but more pet storage please?

[modest zenith]

really money will come from tradding too

[upbeat lily]

Fix the poor game base

[burnt spindle]

💀

[upbeat lily]

oh wait, that would require a real programmer

[amber stream]

There is a reason trading like that is in no MMO afaik

[sinful willow]

Trading should have never existed in the first place

[upbeat wharf]

bro just add the option to use both gems, but blue ones untradeable

[signal burrow]

I cant wait to eBay doots for $200, collect the cash and disappear to some random hole in an Indian call cent... Microsoft

[amber stream]

TRUE

[sinful willow]

The game was fine when it was about "endlessly progressing no matter what you do"

[upbeat wharf]

but this way he makes thousands🤑