Fix pet companions.

[normal roost]

and that's why he's knowingly releasing a shitty update

[scenic magnet]

no trading, blue gems, fix pets.

[onyx path]

Here's what Lava meant to say:

• Blue gems can be h4cked since it is not server side
• H4cked blue gems entering the trading market would be very bad
• So he made green gems on server side
• That is why you can't convert blue to green gems

[signal burrow]

The fact it's an entirely new currency lets you know Lava is intentionally being a predatory developer here

[static vale]

very much understandable

[scenic magnet]

so take away trading, fixed.

[exotic apex]

Why cant he make blue gems server side?

[upbeat wharf]

yea, moreless

[vital cave]

The RNG mechanics is terrible and there isn't an excuse for that part.

[scenic magnet]

also ban illegitimate players.

[proper goblet]

Because you can get blue gems while offline.

[granite rover]

I love this update and everyone should It`s completly balanced for both p2w and f2p and you ppl are just overreacting

[upbeat wharf]

multi acoounts i think

[upbeat lily]

but, just put 1 pet every day! not week. izi!

[proper goblet]

You can server side protect against that

[compact abyss]

id say 3:1 is fair, 10k gems costs the same amount of money as 4100 crystals

[static vale]

another funny thing about trading is that, once you get the pet you literally dont need it anymore o it

[granite rover]

f2p mean free to pay btw

[signal burrow]

Developer doesn't know how

[exotic apex]

Also did he just remove all reacts??

[static vale]

play*

[onyx path]

It's too late

[normal roost]

that doesn't change the fact that p2w players get huge leads compared to f2ps who have to wait an entire week

[granite rover]

no no no, free to pay

[granite rover]

no

[static vale]

pay 2 play
free 2 play?????????

[silver rover]

if it wasent desigend with it in mind makes it very difficult to do after the fact kinda like asking why cant you pull out 2 of the 3 bottom jenga tiles, sure its doable but hard

[exotic apex]

It only shows 9 for me

[compact abyss]

serving siding gems wouldnt work anyway

[granite rover]

you are free to pay

if you want to

[compact abyss]

prob discord being weird xd

[onyx path]

I'm only saying this because people keep posting "LET US CONVERT BLUE TO GREEN", which is currently not Lava's intention for obvious reasons

[coral wolf]

Weird

[granite rover]

if you dont want to, too bad, p2w players are gonna be better than you

[scenic magnet]

fine make a way for me to idle or active for green gems, outside of the one free pet a week.

[granite rover]

idk

[static vale]

thats the only way to balance it out for f2p tbh, idk what other ways though

[ancient terrace]

They're still here though

[upbeat lily]

No need to place blue gems! But put 1 chance a day! Not per week! This is absurd! Go over a month to improve your chances!

[onyx path]

not really, just change up the odds, more free chance, etc.

[worldly lance]

Where did most the ticks go? Used to be 200 now its 7?

[vital cave]

Even pay to win isn't the problem, it's 100% rng, you could spend $100, could spend $10,000.

[static vale]

yeah could

[upbeat lily]

yes!!!!

[upbeat lily]

gacha game sucks

[vital cave]

For a bonus that is essentially past end-game level benefits.

[static vale]

bro even a freshie can reach w5 in like a day

with the pets benefifts

lol

[worldly lance]

Shows 9 for me 😂

[upbeat lily]

No need to place blue gems! But put 1 chance a day! Not per week! This is absurd! Go over a month to improve your chances!

[granite rover]

idk

[onyx path]

yeah, look for other ways to ease this, blue gems isn't the solution

[desert totem]

1 star game sucks

[static vale]

he got a point

[granite rover]

W

[silver rover]

literally could have all been avoided with a guarenteed pity

[ancient terrace]

That would probably only help whales.

[static vale]

bro is definetly on the p2w side

[signal burrow]

There's 15 different OBVIOUS ways this could have been mitigated but Lava implemented ZERO of them because this is intentionally predatory

[granite rover]

fels wierd to say that about Idleon tbh

[static vale]

bro just want to spend less money 😭

[normal roost]

bro this isn't about f2p players, this is about p2w players...
money-only gambling for a %0.2 pet, including rotations for some added FOMO

[ancient terrace]

I'm p2w but i'm SPENDING NOT EVEN A CENT IN PETS UNTIL THIS GETS FIXED.

[vital cave]

Even introducing something into alchemy shop would at least lessen this blow.

[compact abyss]

same

[sinful viper]

make more creative suggestions on how to increase amount of untradable pets, as example:
-player gets shards for fully clearing guild contribution daily, combine shards to get extra (untradable) pull per week

[signal burrow]

I wonder if getting review bombed on steam is gonna knock some sense into him

[ancient terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/raid-shadow-legends-raid-gif-20940490

the game right now

[compact abyss]

500 gems -> 200 crystals, 5x a week + pity system

[normal roost]

1 star, game sucks1

[compact abyss]

then ill spend money

[granite rover]

I PREDICT THAT LAVA FLAME 2 WILL ADD ADS TO THIS GAME!!!!!

lets see if I`m right lol

[fallow frost]

ok, recent reviews have already falölen from mostly positive to mixed

[brazen shore]

Petition to replace the doot with the whale from w2, so people have to whale to get a whale

[fallow frost]

watch 10 ads to earn 1 green gem?

[upbeat lily]

now idleON is p2w! sad :/

[brazen shore]

🐳

[granite rover]

gatcha

[sinful viper]

maybe whale will be next rotation

[silver rover]

and the funny part is it would have also cognitively lowered the outrage over it too XD, but now that its been release and people want blood it a little too late for the padding it would have given, would it have still been pay to win, yes, but less people would have cared because oh atleast after 100 pulls i get it(even if they would never reach that for free) and woudl have also incentivatized more people to pay for it (mann im at 80 of 100 pulls let me just drop $20 to get it) and once youve paid once then your more likely to pay again XD

[upbeat lily]

p2w gatcha XD 10 years or 1.000$! or choice.]

[compact abyss]

+1 gem per gem purchase

[granite rover]

grumo, pinch, AND THEN whale

[granite rover]

10 years

222 `s

[ancient terrace]

NOT EVERYONE SPENDS 816262724232 (whatever your currency is) IN A PIXEL MMO

Most of the mad people aren't even whales.

[upbeat lily]

i go play league of legends and i go pay a riot with my soul kkkkk

[ancient terrace]

Just f2ps angry about 1 pull/wk.

[silver rover]

but it is so easy to manipulate people into doing it XD, people are saying lava is greedy with this but i think its more just not a ton of hindsight

[ancient terrace]

And paid green gems.

[granite rover]

yes

[brazen shore]

I've never seen such extreme review bombing

[upbeat lily]

exactly

[odd wind]

at this rate it's gonna become IdleOFF

[sinful viper]

lack of pity of any kind is anti player, I'd stack 15-25 free pulls for a 50/50 on a doot

[brazen shore]

Lmao

[granite rover]

nah jk

[upbeat lily]

Lava, just put 1 per day! simples.

[brazen shore]

One a day, make it normal gems, double account

Amount

Simples

[compact abyss]

thats- actually pretty good

[upbeat wharf]

PERFECT BALANCE

[odd wind]

this would fix everything

[upbeat wharf]

that would be perfect

still p2w but very fair

[upbeat lily]

exactly!

[scenic magnet]

im mad, and a pseudo whale (if you consider every bundle a whale)

[sinful viper]

forget blu gems, they are compromised

[granite rover]

here are the changes that ppl voted on

[modest blade]

yeah make it one every day and maybe do some changes to the odds but that would kinda fix it

[silver rover]

im mad too but am looking at it rationally, and im pretty sure buying every pack and every item in the shop edges me a far bit out of the F2P group

[compact abyss]

i mean i totally understand the new currency

[odd wind]

i need my daily dopamine fix, this weekly sh** aint cutting it

[signal burrow]

I've spent more than I wanna admit on this game but then I see this new obviously intentionally predatory currency get slapped into the game and it's like "lol guess what dev gets $0 now that I know how sus he is"

[sinful viper]

rethink entire gem idea, blu gems can be obtained by unfair means

[compact abyss]

im p2w and i dont like this update

[brazen shore]

I can't comprehend the trading part

[upbeat lily]

That would be the best thing for Lava to do;

Not blue gems!✅
1 per day!✅
join 2 of the same to make the next one on the list!✅

[sinful viper]

even if people agree and push idea, its not doable if trade is assumed to stay

[hearty fern]

Then remove trading, nobody is gonna trade pets anyways why would you trade a rare pet lol

[signal burrow]

It's a ineffectual method to hide how predatory and p2w this nonsense is

You think anyones gonna trade a doot?

[hearty fern]

Fr

[silver rover]

i mean i have like 5 rams saved to trade cause there sleeper the second best effect ;p

[modest sinew]

Í'll trade you a spare king doot for a frog and $250 /s

[scenic magnet]

any mega whales have a dupe doot i can have please?

[modest blade]

Maybe for another ultra rare pet

but i dont see it happening

[signal burrow]

Full stop - This game won't survive another addition like doot companion.

[compact abyss]

if he adds multiple super rare pets, and ppl happen to somehow get duplicates, i can see trading being usefu

[granite rover]

W

[granite rover]

W

[compact abyss]

but.. why keep going after u akready have rare

[granite rover]

why not

[signal burrow]

It's so room temperature IQ decision I'm actually awestruck how it passed Lava's sniff test to launch it

[hearty fern]

Dont have access to my pc since im at work can sm send me a pic of the reviews

[compact abyss]

if you have the rare you most likely already have all the others

[odd wind]

gotta catch them all

[brazen shore]

Oh yeah what do the updated reviews look like

[silver rover]

but then again ive seen poelp at the 3x multi that dident get all 4 of hte commons

[vital cave]

The other problem this update introduces when trading goes live is the fact that people will be trading and selling services irl for in-game content.

[worldly lance]

Currently mixed on steam

[compact abyss]

fair

[hearty fern]

Ayy

[vocal schooner]

are alæ companion bonuses active at the same time?

[kindred sail]

People going to ERP for Doot pet trading 😔

[vocal schooner]

And can they stack

[silver rover]

which the poeple not getting all 4 of the commons at the 3x multi is another issue that noone is talking about, you can literally lock yourself out of getting pets with how its done right now

[ancient bane]

if you have 2 doots you can trade for next OP pet that for example doubles all artifacts or doubles all cooking bonuses or something else OP

[vital cave]

I mean seriously, think about how much some of you have paid for a chance to get Doot and failed.

Meanwhile someone who spent $10 would gladly sell you Doot for $400

[hearty fern]

Nobody is gonna have 2 doots

[brazen shore]

Wondering if lava has considered the implications of rw trading...

[ancient bane]

alreaydy saw a picture of 2 doots

unless shopped

[green nexus]

Someone had I think

In gen chat a while back

[brazen shore]

"idleoncash selling doot $200 molto $20, ram $40"

[signal burrow]

Being as it's so obviously intentionally predatory I don't think he cares as long as he gets his "10% for the big man"

[hearty fern]

Ill gladly sell my molto for 20 bucks

[brazen shore]

I can sense the in game advert bots coming back

[sinful viper]

well yeah that's obviously how it will go undoubtedly

[ancient terrace]

@nocturne shell has joined the react losers club

[radiant glacier]

I think best f2p variant would be a pity of lets say 50 or 60, after that pity you may be able to select 1 pet ( the rotation do not matter) which is not tradeable, so you are guaranteed 1 good pet a year

[sinful viper]

thing is, lavaflame wins because odds are in his favor

[silver rover]

im at x3 i get a molto every other pull ill sell em 20 bucks all day ;p

[noble prairie]

i wouldnt call it P2W theres no pvp so its a way the dev can create extra income to spend more time working on the game. theres no P2W aspect to this until theres proper MMO style gameplay its compeletly fine.

[upbeat wharf]

hope lava is changing somewthing right now

[sonic sedge]

why 3 people reacted with ? are they lavas alts?

[upbeat wharf]

I have to say that i'm more sad than angry right now

[signal burrow]

Leaderboards, you're welcome

[hearty fern]

P2w ≠ pvp
P2w = get an advantage that f2p players cant get by paying

[sinful viper]

i will now react with to display power

[brazen shore]

They wouldn't BUY them for 20, they'd probably have hacked accounts farming them free then selling them like most mmo gold farms do it

[hearty fern]

No way

[upbeat wharf]

nahhhhhhh thats crazy as fuk

[ancient bane]

For me its not that its even p2W there are other p2w features, its the fact its gacha gambling predatory style p2w. If it was just get all pets slowly over time lets say 6 months or get them all now for 30$ it would be fine

[exotic apex]

Anyone game no matter how solo player still has a competitive aspect, especially on servers like here. Seeing people get huge boost because of money/luck can be demoralizing for your own progress

[compact abyss]

i wonder if u even need to be in w5

[upbeat wharf]

lets get that to bad and see if lava does something

[tender harness]

nothing but bad excuses from lava

[novel pewter]

it kinda sucks that as a f2p i can't trade which seems like it's half of this update

[sinful viper]

odds improving is not same as pity, and system is not same as gacha waifus

[compact abyss]

noone can trade rn

[median zenith]

This realy should have been rollable with blue gems, the fact it's a new currency is what snowballs all of it

[tender ridge]

has he actually said anything?

[signal burrow]

If Lava just charged $30 for Doot I'd be less pissed off than this fake and hay lottery he thinks isn't literal sleaze

[tender harness]

imagine 40euro green gems, cause blue are not served sided

[upbeat wharf]

that's the worst

[ancient terrace]

One shitty reply here

[exotic apex]

Odds increase but so do prizes, so you just roll less

[brazen shore]

Wow it increased the odds to UNDER 1%, WOOOOW

look at the pity

[patent badger]

what a way to ruin the game tbh

[hearty fern]

Ill buy the pack after i finish working hope i get doot

[patent badger]

it was fun till this point

[tender harness]

that is the biggest joke rn

[compact abyss]

odds go up 3x, price goes up 2.5x

[patent badger]

i thought it was going great with updates but this just shits on it all

[upbeat wharf]

sure

[brazen shore]

So green gems are secured server side

[upbeat wharf]

it's just disappointing

[tender harness]

sadly lol

[hushed island]

it makes sense it doesnt use blue gems.. only because trading would screw up the entire playerbase if one person cheated... trading isnt neccesary tho imo

[patent badger]

yeah after so many good updates we get this

[hearty fern]

Where

[brazen shore]

So that's his excuse, because trading is involved

[patent badger]

shameful behaviour

[upbeat wharf]

hope it's true...

[novel pewter]

yes there is no trading for anyone my point is i can't trade unless i spend money

[signal burrow]

Disable trading. Tadaaaaa problem solved

[sinful viper]

imo, if system is adjusted to actually mimic gacha waifu pulling, with free to play guarantee of 1/half a year(edit: or more generous, i just set a kind of time frame I'd be okay with) - it would work better (because asian games aren't dumb and made it work)

[radiant glacier]

Even for 50 bucks i would still do it, already 50 in and still miss frog( first one and did not get any pet above green rarity)

[burnt spindle]

Fixing bugs, not the patch

[ancient terrace]

probably fixing a bug that affected @blissful minnow

[burnt spindle]

The money is raking in just like intended

[patent badger]

hes fixing a bug where people that get doot before reaching w5 get game crashes

[brazen shore]

The entire patch needs a fix, the whole idea needs it

[upbeat wharf]

someone said the best is to make one free per day and use blue gems to buy

[tender harness]

remove trading allow blue gems

[odd wind]

Since this is a single player game, does that make cheating perfectly fine?

[brazen shore]

Remove trading, agreed

[hearty fern]

Fr just remove trading

[frozen scaffold]

very disapointed in lava

[burnt spindle]

Cant buy with blue gems

[brazen shore]

It opens up real world money trading

[signal burrow]

Any developer who lets this pass his sniff test needs a patch. The bug fix is hiring a consultant to filter stupid ideas from going live

[upbeat wharf]

bro, he really think that's more important than fixing everythhing?

[burnt spindle]

Be sure to leave an honest review on steam!

[patent badger]

yes

[hearty fern]

Mine was made a while ago lol

[burnt spindle]

Everything else is probably working just like he intended

[frozen scaffold]

there will be rando chars in towns advertising for pet selling services

[patent badger]

keep in mind, thing with gems and stuff he does not need fixing, its what he wanted

[tacit prairie]

cringe

[patent badger]

this is what he wanted to do remember

[upbeat wharf]

I know, but his excuse is a sh**

[brazen shore]

We have over 1k

[tender harness]

let him feel the wrath of greedy p2w

[novel pewter]

problem with blue gems is lava would have to recode them which would set everyone to 0 as there is no way to truly track how many a player should have

[patent badger]

i have played since day one, i was on his side a lot of times, but it is time for him to lose my respect as well, this was too much

[hearty fern]

Like i said earlier, you know something is wrong when whales are complaining about p2w

[compact abyss]

remove player trading, add way to not get locked out of some pets, big buff on recycling high tier pets

[hearty fern]

(I am a whale)

[upbeat wharf]

yea, same here

[patent badger]

im not gonna bitch about it, it is what it is, i had fun with the game

[radiant glacier]

whats the whole idea of trading?

Nobody wont trade a doot beside of the ones with dupe. And if they are willing to trade to another pet which is prob rare as fuck too. Then both players need to get 2 times lucky(prob less then 1% of playerbase)

I think the only thing which profits from the trading situation is RMT Account trades tbh

[patent badger]

but theres no point playing anymore

[signal burrow]

I absolutely cannot get over this ratio. I bet Lava still thinks he did nothing wrong too.

[upbeat wharf]

i'm gonna bitch everything I can

[odd wind]

relatable

[compact abyss]

and still growing

[vital cave]

Hop on over to player suggestions, I had to bring up the fact real world trading can be dangerous. This is a road the he really should not travel down with RNG mechanics.

[hearty fern]

Lava : its not my fault yall are brokies

[patent badger]

he will make it with next batch of pets, so dupes of next batch can be traded with people who missed out pets in first batch, thats why its not in the game currently

[exotic apex]

I just think its funny lol

[frozen scaffold]

yeah guess i have to do a negative review for this very sad it came this far

[ancient terrace]

@queen iron when the reviews are mixed

[upbeat wharf]

we cannot let the game lose half of his true fans because a shitty update

he can still fix it

[patent badger]

its to be expected

[exotic apex]

Sure, this is 'mixed'

[tender harness]

make people poor with psychological rng p2w fomo tactics. like what do you want to be a casino?

[sinful viper]

reviews will pass, as they always did

[hearty fern]

Most of the negative reviews come from players with over 1k hours myself included

[tender harness]

then work that they dont

[radiant glacier]

Even then you only will trade broken pets against broken pets. So both sides need to get lucky serveral times. Nobody will trade his doot, if he has only one of it.

[patent badger]

it will all pass

but this will forever be the idleons worst update in my opinion

[compact abyss]

If he intends to make a change, he should prob say something along the lines of "hold your fire" at this point

[patent badger]

i hoped this day wouldnt come

[signal burrow]

Lava always finds ways to make me raise my eyebrow at his obviously scuffed judgment but this is just so bad it makes me not even wanna continue playing. And I still play Idleon despite Lava which is saying something

[upbeat wharf]

let's hope it won't do anything worse

[compact abyss]

before steam becomes negative

[fading laurel]

the worst so far 🙂 don't get your hope down he can do worst

[ancient terrace]

Who cares if a few reviews are negative? As long as the bling bling is coming in, everything is fine!

[mellow iris]

The moment you realise today is not 1st of April

[ancient bane]

I feel like more people quit this time than other times, but maybe its just my perception cause all my friends uninstalled.

[patent badger]

yeah this all sounds like an april 1st joke tbh

[vital cave]

Oh recent reviews will be negative probably by tonight honestly. This is a dangerous update and he's playing with real fire on this one.

[upbeat wharf]

yea, and people keep buying this shit

[compact abyss]

are there actual numbers somewhere on how much steam ratings affect downloads?

[sinful viper]

we should be happy bling bling is coming to lavaflame, he will surely adjust new system later. right now - we all get some form of free buff that doesn't take any grind

[median zenith]

the number of people in the w5 questions thread alone is reason for him not to fix anything lmao

[signal burrow]

If this is a sample of what Lava thinks is acceptable f2p game development then yea no kidding I don't blame anyone for quitting. Why would you play a game knowing more of this is coming.

[sonic sedge]

and when it stops, add more pets

[patent badger]

my mind is in fact still processing that this update is happened
im like in disbelief still lmao

[median zenith]

so many people "here's my 100-500$ and doot!"

[terse nacelle]

Lava packing his bags and going on holiday with the whale money he just received.

[upbeat wharf]

remember that the mixed in steam is from the last 30 days

[median zenith]

hahahahahahahahahahaha, sweet summer child

[odd wind]

at this point i feel like lava intentionally releases these p2w updates to get everyone talking. more people talking = more attention for the game

[upbeat wharf]

soon it will be even worse

[compact abyss]

so within a week it will be negative

[ancient terrace]

You're naive

[upbeat wharf]

I don't think so

[ancient terrace]

Should be a micro forgor

[signal burrow]

This deadass screams "I don't want to continue developing this game anymore so I'm just gonna squeeze and let the game slowly die"

[frozen scaffold]

feels like he wants to close up the game and wants to bleed the wales a bit more

[mellow iris]

nobody is gonna play a game after reading that it's become shit after 1 p2w update

[compact abyss]

next month? very negative

[upbeat wharf]

I reccomended the game to all my friends, and I can assure you that I won't do it anymore

[sinful viper]

no im not, i just see situation improve over time

[median zenith]

huffing that copium, that's fair

but yeah lol, sweet summer child

[ancient bane]

Crazy part is we all spent decent amount on the game before, and felt decent supporting a single dev for making such a good game. And then the mega gacha came out, its just way too much.

[fallow frost]

oh my what a innocent young choir boy you are

[brazen shore]

How about my suggestion: let us buy UNTRADEABLE pets with blue gems and tradeable with green gems?

[burnt spindle]

Same. Can't recommend this absolute garbage

[upbeat lily]

That would be the best thing for Lava to do;

Not blue gems!✅
1 per day!✅
join 2 of the same to make the next one on the list!✅

[signal burrow]

Being a solo dev gives you a lot of good will if you make a good game. Then boom, cash out

[odd wind]

did you see the player count after the sailing exploit? sh** went up

[burnt spindle]

What's the point of trading then

[upbeat wharf]

that's the fking worse of all

[terse nacelle]

doing my part

[ancient terrace]

2 slugs for a doot??

[upbeat wharf]

that lava said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT A SHITTY EXCUSE

[normal roost]

the best thing to to is delete this fucking bullshit system. it's just pay to win garbage.

[mellow iris]

lol almost nobody was arguing back then cuz it was free for everybody and it got handled quickly

[signal burrow]

lmao the "I didn't get doot"

[brazen shore]

Point is people who spend money can trade between themselves while people who just want to get pets themselves can @burnt spindle

[upbeat wharf]

X2

[compact abyss]

4 purple for a doot, 8 green for a doot, 16 common for a doot

[burnt spindle]

Missing the point of green gems completely

[brazen shore]

What's the point

To allow trading right?

[normal roost]

completely ignores the fact that p2w players get huge bonuses

[brazen shore]

Can still occur.

[onyx path]

honestly, it's not a shitty excuse, he basically explained that buying with blue gems would allow exploited gems buy them and enter the market. but maybe let people buy with blue gems, but those pets become untradable, how about that?

[signal burrow]

Out of principle I'd rather go spend $200 on a random external hard drive that I'll never plug in than enable an obviously bullshit scuffed predatory attempt to squeeze people

[ancient bane]

No, they are secured, you cant cheat them like blue gems.

[compact abyss]

less people h4acking the pets in so more ppl spending for pets

[upbeat wharf]

exactly, no one asked for trading STUPID P2W PETS

[modest blade]

Just remove trading

[upbeat lily]

🫡 Keep up the good work lads.

[modest blade]

no one cares about it

[signal burrow]

The hilarious part here is companions could have been 100% cosmetic and cost gems and people would have been fine with the gacha

[compact abyss]

true

[upbeat wharf]

I understant trading some pet for another, but it's not even necessary if its a fair system

[worldly lance]

Ive came to the conclusion that lava did this to gauge a reaction to then try save face by introducing “better” ways to get gems (that still cost $/£/€)

[scenic magnet]

instead of doot being game-breakingly strong

[signal burrow]

But no Lava had to make it so if you win the jackpot you're literally playing an entirely different game than 99.82% of everyone else

[sinful viper]

so maybe nerf doot?

[fallow frost]

or sheep nerfing 2 & 3 bubble slots; or slug nerfing telegrahpic storage

[scenic magnet]

no doot, no vman lava gloves 😦

[radiant glacier]

to nerf doot it is to late, nobody will every buy something in the future if it gets nerfed now

[compact abyss]

even if doot was just a decent bonus instead of gamebreaking, would still be trash

[ancient bane]

He should have gaged reactions with weaker pets first at least, instead of making doot instantly

[brazen shore]

It's a disgusting low odds gacha with no pity system beyond 3x odds

[signal burrow]

What's he gonna say to the 50-60 people who dropped $500 on it

[nocturne copper]

wow a new update so cool

[frozen scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[mellow iris]

if they can just spend 500$ on a pet in game they probably dont care

[signal burrow]

Sorry here's your fat stack back? You don't know Lava

[upbeat lily]

Atleast the trading will be genuine? 🤔 Unlike Lava's intentions it seems.

[sinful viper]

that's a small amount of people

[onyx path]

Simple solution: ALLOW blue gems to buy them, but pets bought with blue gems are UNTRADABLE

[signal burrow]

It's still something you have to consider. Lava won't do it

[scenic magnet]

thats 25,000USD

[frozen scaffold]

still need thousands of em to get that under1%

[upbeat wharf]

refund, but obviously he won't refund the thousands he got, because he only cares about that

[frozen scaffold]

thats just diablo immortal reloaded

[signal burrow]

Knowing Lava he won't even refund he'd just give them $500 worth of green gems lol

...thaanks

[onyx path]

still, you get free gems, its up to you how you want to aggressively go for it

[upbeat wharf]

I know, and that's not good

[frozen scaffold]

ima give the acount to my childrens children so maybe they can get that pet

[blissful minnow]

i got fixed tho :3

[upbeat wharf]

you can't defend this shit bro

[granite rover]

WE WIN THESE

[frozen scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[scenic magnet]

ALLOW PETS FOR BLUE GEMS AND MAKE UNTRADABLE

[onyx path]

im hearing the complaints from the people and trying to pretend im in lavas shoes to figure out a way to come to a compromise

[upbeat wharf]

let's gooo

[signal burrow]

Attempting to defend this is bordering upon flat earther tier mental capacity I'm sorry.

[upbeat wharf]

lava's shoes are just MONEY MONEY MONEY

[sinful viper]

at this point, the review graph doesn't serve any purpose, other than making illusion of unanimous condemning of update

[upbeat wharf]

there are a lot of solutions for the "not server secured gems", but he just wants to make the currency paying exclusive

[signal burrow]

I'm thinking either, Lava wants to quit and this is just the big squeeze before abandonment. Lava just got a bad prostate exam and wants his kids to have a good inheritance in 18 months. Or he used his W4 chip gatcha cash to knock up 30 women and that child support hearing just concluded.

[upbeat wharf]

yea, we can't do anything more that what we are doing

[sonic sedge]

should i quit this game? im playing "only" a month, and it WAS a fun game, it didnt seem like a p2w game, cuse u can get gems for playing it, but now when i see something like this 💀

[brazen shore]

Lava gave away SO MANY free updates on his free game, he needs a really big paid update to save himself

[granite rover]

worse than that

[worn flume]

Every purchase I have ever made has felt good. Buying the pet pack made me feel hollow inside afterwards

[brazen shore]

Cough cough

[boreal tide]

The pet system could've been balanced if you had to earn them, like for example getting bored bean after you killing chaotic Amarok

[upbeat wharf]

but lava will completely ignore us if he keeps getting money

[thick silo]

.85% for x3 odds is insane. It costs 250 gems for one pull, and it costs 25 dollars to not even get a full 10 pulls. Its around 2.8 dollars per pull, with .8% chance to get a doot. This is absolutely nuts. Even Gacha games at least have some sort of pity mechanic in place. People have spent over 1000 without getting a doot.

[onyx path]

this game ALWAYS had pay-for-shortcut, even since the game launched. I agree, the current set up for paying for pets is egregious, so that's why I'm suggesting additional free ways to get doot, like spending blue gems (but you have to understand from lava's side, blue gems introduces exploited currency in the trading market, so you make pets untradable). stop spouting garbage and have a reasonable conversation

[upbeat wharf]

bro you think he was not getting tons of money with blue gems?

[brazen shore]

Lol it was a joke jr

[novel pewter]

I feel like this thread should be locked or closed at this point as it's no longer about trying to figure out alternatives or solutions as it is about ragging on about lava

[signal burrow]

If you do the math it's not even unreasonable to drop $1000 and still not get a Doot

[brazen shore]

Hence cough cough

[upbeat wharf]

but only a 5% of people can get this without paying, thats the real problem

[frozen scaffold]

even genshin has better ods and also a pity counter

[worn flume]

Well then make it untradable lol. Pet trading is stupid anyway. Trading in general is a bad idea for a game like this.. I 100% will quit if the game enables trading beyond pets

[upbeat wharf]

if I could grind for 200 hours to get them free I would

[regal wren]

got doot in 5 rolls, not that hard

just learn to press the screen better

[upbeat wharf]

but the problem is not getting any option

[patent badger]

yeah thats kinda sad

[onyx path]

keep working on the changes, maybe change 7 day cooldown to 1 day. spamming "GIVE BAD REVIEWS", "LAVA WANTS MONEY" isn't going anywhere

[gray gale]

THE SELF REPORT 💀

[patent badger]

idk this is some of most predatory gacha i've ever seen

[upbeat wharf]

and someone already said that he can make blue gems pets untradeable

[mellow iris]

lol everybodys gonna change the review when game becomes playable again

[upbeat wharf]

like the free ones

[patent badger]

this is literally feasting on peoples addictions

[sinful viper]

gemshim is one of best gacha games there are, 6month for guaranteed, 3 months if you are on 5$ subscription. This is an outlier among gacha games and is most generous

[mellow iris]

its just letting him know nobody likes this shit update

[magic aspen]

Lucky! I am missing 3 😦

[frozen scaffold]

bleeding wale

[signal burrow]

In case you want some cringe porn. Here's 500 pulls @ doot.

[upbeat wharf]

yea, but if you just smile at the bad updates and ask nicely for a change he will laugh at us

[onyx path]

the reviews are up to the people, only lava has the power to possibly encourage that. that's what im saying, lava needs to work on making those changes to let people get doot more easily, that's all

[magic aspen]

chill, be nice

[onyx path]

lava has been receptive of feedback probably more than any other dev i know

[upbeat wharf]

and we are giving bad reviews to make lava see anyone is happy with this

[hushed island]

whys a w1 mechanic giving a w5 buff - none of this update makes sense

[signal burrow]

Bro are you high. The amount of people who's he's banned for criticism is insaneobanana

[onyx path]

exactly, so lets give him the feedback, give him some ideas, like I just did, and be productive.

[upbeat wharf]

and if he changes something and make the pets POSSIBLY free, i will change my review to positive again

[burnt spindle]

🐳 💳

[onyx path]

there! now let's be reasonable. we love this game, let's help him decide how it should be made

"SPAM DOWNVOTE" isn't gonna help

[worn flume]

I mean technically it would help lol

[spiral cedar]

what

[signal burrow]

Lava knows we love the game because most of us think he's a terrible developer and continue to play despite Lava, not because of Lava. By virtue of people logging in with him at the helm is a grand testament to how loved the game is

[upbeat wharf]

I absolutely love this game and I really appreciated Lava, but I can't accept that he did that and now is ignoring us

[onyx path]

it helps in seeing the reaction from the players, but it doesn't help in telling you what they want

[magic aspen]

$25 for 800+ hours of gametime is well worth it; I don't mind supporting Lava on a great game...

...the pet companion stuff should still be fixed and improved SIGNIFICANTLY

[safe sand]

Allow weekly gem transffer limited to 2000 gems from blue gems to green gems so we can atleast get more draws of pets per week for the ones who have legitimateley stockpiled gems from events

[sinful viper]

i actually kinda like lavaflame, he is mman irl

[mellow iris]

I mean he's probably reading all that considering what to do now, so he's probably not ignoring

[signal burrow]

Anyone who thinks Lava isn't fully aware the shit he tried to pull, has their head firmly in the clouds.

[upbeat wharf]

I thought that 2 hours ago

[ancient terrace]

Yo lava if ur reading then wake up

[onyx path]

exactly, we have his eyes now, let's give him good ideas, not "GAME SUCKS NOW" because then he'll just go away

[tender harness]

hes not that dumb. knows exactly how to use FOMO, and greed

[sinful viper]

well, what i can say, is that you might not know the full plan lavaflame has with this

[upbeat wharf]

that's another point, he knew that this would happen

[frozen scaffold]

even if he fixes this he did get some nice stacks he possibly already has a hotfix ready he will upload in a few hours to get some more stacks

[signal burrow]

Doot may as well be "Everything your character does is 50% betterer". That's how braindead you gotta be to think this was just oversight

[regal wren]

thats wrong, chances of getting doot go up every time you met the "milestone" number of summonings (at the start is 1%, in the second one is 1.25%...)

[upbeat wharf]

I mean the only thing we can do is wait to see if he does something

[signal burrow]

Cost goes up too so the number is still ballpark accurate

[worn flume]

I think I am just fed up with capitalism in general. Filthy filthy everything in the end revolves around money

[upbeat wharf]

NONONONONO

[tender harness]

how much money do you guys think went into the gems? 50k?

[worn flume]

Profits over everything

[regal wren]

no?

[upbeat wharf]

IT GOES FROM 0.25 TO 0.85 MAX

[signal burrow]

0.85% is the highest chance I was being GENEROUS

[tender harness]

i whales spend up to 1k its easly minimum 50k

[regal wren]

oh cost goes up lol

[worn flume]

I can't believe I was waiting around for two weeks for this update lol

[sinful viper]

what if after chances cap at 3x, we would instead get faster pull cooldown after that

[frozen scaffold]

idelon sellout for 50k ?

[upbeat wharf]

cost goes up?......

[sinful viper]

kinda like refinery

[flint meadow]

same

[upbeat wharf]

are you serious??

[regal wren]

cost in stahe 2 is 120

[compact abyss]

it takes a while for that to cap. and they will rotate

[ancient bane]

you'll never get to 3x chance as f2p player anyway, they reset every rotation I think

[upbeat wharf]

omfg

[signal burrow]

Yep

[ancient terrace]

Lava said it on stream, it does

[upbeat wharf]

thats even crazier

[compact abyss]

cost goes up but chance goes up slightly more

[sinful viper]

that's part of it, you play for a year - odds are done, play for 2 years - you get all pets

[upbeat wharf]

so the odd augmenting is just to decorate?

[worn flume]

thats a huge maybe

[compact abyss]

2 years to get a broken af bonus

[signal burrow]

This is if you tried to pull Doot 750 times. Pretending you have the highest chance to nail it from attempt #1. You still have a ~16% chance to not get it. Now if you wanna do the math on what the average cost per click is....

[sinful viper]

its based off of thin air, but i find it more productive

[upbeat wharf]

xd...

[worn flume]

I miss when games were made where you could earn anything and everything with hard work and putting time into it 😦 damn

[signal burrow]

I sincerely fear this is Idleon's swan song and Lava is just trying to cash out

[upbeat wharf]

I think i'll just pretend that this update didn't happen, wait until tomorrow and see if Lava did something

[sinful viper]

lmao

great plan

[scenic magnet]

least you got two god unlinks 😉

[frozen scaffold]

thats what i wronte as a review

[upbeat wharf]

hahahaha

[signal burrow]

Knowing Lava he's just gonna call people haters and pretend he didn't screw up and then fix it 2 worlds down the line

[compact abyss]

god unlinks that are useless now to ppl with doot

[worn flume]

two weeks waiting for an update, all we get is two god unlinks lol

[terse nacelle]

Not even Limited shop update, i want to spend BLUE gems

[upbeat wharf]

if he fixes it i don't care if he says i'm a hater or anything

i just want idleon to not become a gacha, luck based and p2w game

[compact abyss]

if he actually does a decent fix ill forget all about this within a month

[signal burrow]

If you haven't been paying attention Lava lives in his own little world which borderlines a clear mental illness and doesn't make decisions like normal people would

[upbeat wharf]

ofc

[compact abyss]

if he does a perfect fix ill praise

[ancient terrace]

SOMEONE DELETED THE TICKS

[radiant glacier]

Even if you get 1 pull per day you can do 365 pulls a year, which is still far away from featured pet.

Everything besides a pity wont do that much to improve the whole system. And even if you have a pity, it would be still more benefical to offer a selection of featured pets ( otherwise you still need to wait 1 year for the next occurance)

[sturdy falcon]

prob a mod or lava

[worn flume]

I really don't want this either

[tepid wadi]

Doubt he’s even acknowledged this or if there will be a fix imo

[signal burrow]

There's a 50/50 chance this criticism he's getting will bounce off him and he'll be 100% skinner meme. "No, it's the children that are wrong"

[compact abyss]

i still see em

[ancient terrace]

They disappeared for me

[sturdy falcon]

Same

[patent badger]

aged well huh

[vernal walrus]

all good

[ancient terrace]

Good

[compact abyss]

nvm i reloaded and theyre at 22 now

[signal burrow]

Aged like milk

[safe sand]

Discord API broke

[lofty flint]

keep it going folks

[upbeat wharf]

lava, if you are reading this, just know that you fked up but you can still fix this

[vernal walrus]

a screenshoot, just in case

[radiant glacier]

how? without hurting people who already paid a lot

[frozen scaffold]

line go brrrrr

[odd wind]

simple. daily pulls.

[compact abyss]

people that already paid a lot wouldve paid a lot anyways, as long as he doesnt make it super easy to get or change the bonusses

[odd wind]

or a way to increase the weekly pulls

[radiant glacier]

even this wont gurantee anything, if you are unlucky you wont have a doot after 2 years

[terse nacelle]

so Hourly Pulls then fuck it

[compact abyss]

way to get a few hundred crystals a week, plus a few more daily pulls wouldnt matter to ppl that paid

[odd wind]

could stay weekly, but instead of 1, give us ways to increase it to like 10?

[upbeat wharf]

he can refund, probably he won't, or he can just make fair prices with blue gems or free trials doing quests, or he can make blue gems pets untradeable...

[odd wind]

true

[upbeat lily]

Ye, maybe then you will get it before the 10 weeks are over. 👍

[worn flume]

He won't refund lol

[upbeat wharf]

I already said it

[radiant glacier]

people still will be upset, the thing why this whose thing is something different to chips and jewels is that they were farmable, you will get them one day.

there is no guarantee to get a good pet ever

[odd wind]

daily pulls would at least take some depression off the f2p players tho

[compact abyss]

and u can buy chips with gems

[radiant glacier]

Pity would take the depression of f2p players

[patent badger]

has he left this chat

[compact abyss]

pity would be useless to f2p

[safe sand]

Missing the SS+++ rank name

[keen creek]

NO, THAT SPOT IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE RESERVED FOR OUR BELOVED ALCHEMY

[frozen scaffold]

please dont drag genshin thou the mud characters you can roll on are actualy fun but this ?

[keen creek]

[radiant glacier]

no you will get 1 pet a year, with 365 pulls you will still get zero 5* pet after 1 year

[chrome summit]

Lava just screwed up big time

[odd wind]

pity won't fix much, just make it easier for p2w players

[patent badger]

when pet rotation happens, what will any new players coming to the game just be missing out on it from the get go

[ancient terrace]

Guys i know how to make crystals

[radiant glacier]

similar to chips but for chips you can farm half of the year to buy them

[ancient terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[keen creek]

lets make our own black market

[frozen scaffold]

there will be one once you can trade pets

[raven maple]

I created a post I believe would help the current system and would likely fix a lot of the issues people are having

[frozen scaffold]

want that doot ? pay up 1k

[keen creek]

idk why, but this feels kindda threatening

[worn flume]

I still can't believe this is what I was patiently waiting two weeks for lol a money grab 😦

[ancient terrace]

@queen iron we won't stop until you give an actual excuse to this horrendous update

[mellow iris]

go to player suggestions and upvote rubylips

[ancient terrace]

or just fix it dangit

[lofty flint]

I hope you realise this thread is 1000% getting nuked

[ancient terrace]

I know

[frozen scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[keen creek]

wait, so you've been in this channel protesting for 2 hrs now?

[ancient terrace]

If it does get nuked

That's censorship

[scenic magnet]

and a ton more people are just gonna quit 😉

[raven maple]

No censorship in Supreme Commanders discord

[worn flume]

I was really hoping after the gold bar thing. There wouldn't be any drama but then two weeks of waiting for an update. Cash grab ? D: what

[gray gale]

i see there's slots for up to 40 pets atm. Anyone done the math yet on how long for all 40?

[lofty flint]

Lmao, you weren't here for the great endgame purge were you

[ancient terrace]

There are dupes

[worn flume]

But my bad, the spring event was free. The pages for item filtering was free. ALL ALONG IT WAS FOR THIS

[ancient terrace]

nah

[radiant glacier]

I can remember the post where he asked for the possibilty to trade in game-polls. TBH i think 99.999% of playerbase would select no for trading if they had known that this will bring such a system for pets.

Whole issue with green gems is caused by trading, Just drop the feature "trading"

[signal burrow]

I dunno how Lava could possibly save face here if I'm being honest

[worn flume]

Haha I'll give them free stuff to lessen the blow of gacha

[tender harness]

if he acts up like a dictator, people should spread the word, bad media is a thing he deeply fears

[ancient terrace]

No one wants trading anyways

[lofty flint]

Trading is a problem lava created for the SOLE purpose of introducing a new premium currency

[radiant glacier]

People voted for it...

[charred pivot]

As if trading matters for the people who don't want to gamble for pets. They can't trade their pets

[vernal walrus]

nevermind, it's just in this thread that there are no modas

[worn flume]

One that only idiots who spend hundreds to thousands of dollars for one pet are going to buy

[raven maple]

I can understand wanting to add a Gacha system. Gacha and Battlepass are becoming a new normal whether people like it or not. There just needs to be a lot of thought put into adding these bonuses and how much people would have to pay to get said bonuses

[scenic magnet]

whomst?

who do we write our angry letters to that dont know this was a horrible idea

[signal burrow]

I absolutely cannot wait for the "I did nothing wrong y'all are just haters." Disconnected from reality Lava announcement so I can finally hate the dev enough to quit this game

[smoky warren]

@queen iron 410 down the drain but no doot £balance

[radiant glacier]

1500 people

[worn flume]

A gacha system that doesn't require you to buy things is what should have been. Like the Arcade, I can earn 100 balls every couple days. Why not do something similar to that.

[radiant glacier]

look in game-polls under MMO

[charred pivot]

That would be so nice to know. I am on the verge of just quitting right now

[radiant glacier]

i stopped at 50 bucks cause my gf will kill me otherwise

[worn flume]

I kind of hope he does. I need to focus on other things

[chrome summit]

How do you have a gf and is online on discord?

[hot portal]

They got the gf before going on discord

[upbeat lily]

🪄

[hot portal]

They're in the transitioning state right now

[scenic magnet]

1500 people voted on real money gacha, and making pets tradeable? where?

[radiant glacier]

i used always offline feature of discord

[ancient terrace]

the companion starterpack

[raven maple]

I don't think I would quit over this, like it'll suck that I may end up behind the whales, but also, there are cheaters in the game who ruin it anyway

[frozen scaffold]

im still for my he already has a hotfix prepared and lets the wales bleed a bit more till he uploads it and does the im sorry i was wrong talk

[signal burrow]

I feel honoured you stole my chatgpt calculation for your mix

[worn flume]

That's stupid though

[chrome summit]

Does lava really wants us to hate him

[upbeat wharf]

we don't need to directly hate lava, we just need him to see the reviews are exploding and he needs to fix this

[frozen juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-tony-hayward-south-park-s14e11-coon2rise-of-captain-hindsight-gif-22864502

[worn flume]

I have quit every single game that ended up tending 75% to whales

I don't like a bar I can't reach with hard work

[radiant glacier]

no, i told this before most wont have voted this way if they knew what it means

[terse nacelle]

I can just imagine all u guys with burning pitchforks rn

[raven maple]

That's your prerogative, I'm just not sure this is good enough to make me quit

[frozen scaffold]

we love the game and its getting ruined by literary one person

[scenic magnet]

grab yours too 😉 this is a slap in the face to 99% of the playerbase

[worn flume]

Well enjoy playing a game you will never be able to beat then lol?

[signal burrow]

Is it good enough to make you never spend money on it again? Should be. Unless you're unironically a masochist and reward people for dicking you over.

[raven maple]

How can I not beat the game currently?

[lofty flint]

lava doesnt think that's possible, he thinks everyone loves him, and bans people who disagree with him

[charred pivot]

I am pretty sure Lava will need to boost W6 because of all these people with insane power and I won't be able to progress there

[rustic stream]

I'm a meganoob new to W3 and I like that I got the sheep making all bubble slots irrelevant as they all apply to all chars. I can definitely see how lategame and completionist players would feel limited due to insanely low odds of the best ones

[frozen scaffold]

oh yeah massive roadblock unless you payup massivly

[raven maple]

I play Dota, brother. You merely adopted the masochism; I was born in it, molded by it

[granite rover]

when did LAva say abouit gems not being secured?

[charred pivot]

I was already annoyed that some people had pay 2 go faster, but now I can't even get there in time.

[lofty flint]

he's never done this, people steamrolled w5 on day 1

[upbeat wharf]

wait until he rleases world 6 testing the balance with a dev account where he will have all the things unlocked

[hot portal]

This is basically nothing compared to plarium (raid shadow legends devs)

[charred pivot]

We'll see. We never thought Lava would do this either

[hot portal]

They're like greediness personified

[raven maple]

Until I see it, I have no reason to believe it

[upbeat wharf]

that game was initially planned to be like this

[silver jacinth]

since when is Idleon competitive?

[signal burrow]

If you care about leaderboards, since it's inception.

[granite rover]

almost 300

[ancient terrace]

Never...

[upbeat wharf]

a game doesn't have to be competitive to be pay to win

[radiant glacier]

one thing that hits me rly hard is my game addiction to gacha games, i chosed idleon cause i never had a case where i need to spend several hundred to thousands bucks to get what i need for completion. But the whole system messed me up rly hard right now...

[upbeat wharf]

and also a lot of people compete to see who gets better stats

[hot portal]

Yh they kept adding more features that favored whales and made everyone who wasn't mad

[upbeat wharf]

like diablo for example, also the same sh*t

[hot portal]

To the point where it's entirely expected for the new feature to favor money spenders

[worn flume]

I really liked this game up until somewhat recently. The stuff you could buy with gems was more like a slightly more convenience thing. Nowadays you can make huge strides with buying things with gems and that really bums me out

[radiant glacier]

it just not a thing of beeing competitive, i just play the thing to collect all stuff, and with a mechanic where i need to spend a lot of money to complete it, it kinda mentally mess you up if you cant complete it

[hot portal]

Haven't played that game but have heard it's really bad aswell

[upbeat wharf]

hahaah some games like that only focus on the whales thinking that they will get more money

[hot portal]

Yh

[upbeat wharf]

but then thy see casual games like candy crash or supercell games getting 10 times more money with people spending just 5 or 10 dollars

[hot portal]

Exactly

[granite rover]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-have-a-nice-day-good-ending-gif-25395445

[raven maple]

Thank you LTG!

[frozen scaffold]

and there goes lavas so beloved reviews

[mystic prawn]

was expecting steam discussion to be a cesspool but no

[signal burrow]

Probably because this is legitimate criticism

[ancient terrace]

@silver jacinth why are you writing and then stopping then writing then stopping then repeating

[signal burrow]

Like hey we don't want you to take your game out back and 9mm it in the head so please undo your tomfuckery

[mystic prawn]

not a fan either

[frozen scaffold]

oh boy a ton of reviews from people who didnt put one out yet 😮
oops all negative

[silver jacinth]

well i would liek to give some reasonable critique instead of crying nonsense 😄

[ancient terrace]

which is

[silver jacinth]

Complaining over stuff thats not worth complain. Why od i have to be competitive in a game that has no eladerboars? (the og game, not idle efficincey)

why do i coplain about a free to play game getting its money from ingame purchase

[ancient terrace]

We're not being competitive.

I was expecting an actual argument

[signal burrow]

Seymore just doesn't get it. I don't think you'll make him get it either

[silver jacinth]

yeah, so why are people fucked up not getting doot on the first free roll?

[ancient terrace]

Lava already gets lots of money from other packs.

[ancient terrace]

What.

[raven maple]

Doot gives a mega broken bonus and to guarantee the pull is $1700. That is the main issue

Atleast for me. I'm a gacha gamer but no pity is WILD

[signal burrow]

The comedy is you could drop $2000 and it's still not guaranteed.

[raven maple]

Yea, it's on statistically speaking

[silver jacinth]

so it means you have to spend these 1700?

[radiant glacier]

It is nothing about beeing competitive it is about you wont get him ever maybe. there is nothing in the game which you cant farm kinda actively. Only thing compareable i think are arcade stamps ( also very bad odds) but the impact from them are kinda low compared to the pets

[signal burrow]

No, it's not lol

[ancient terrace]

To have a chance

[raven maple]

ok

[signal burrow]

Just because something has a 10% chance to happen doesn't mean it's guaranteed to happen 1 out of 10 times.

You could in theory drop $5000 and still not pull a doot. It's just increasingly less likely you wouldn't get it

[raven maple]

You don't have to spend it, but the fact it is that how an amount is insane

[mystic prawn]

2000 moneys and there is no actual content its just an rng pull for OP accountwide bonuses, tis very weird design

[silver rover]

Hell not even guarenteed at 1700 just most probable

[raven maple]

Statistically speaking, yes, 1 of out 10 times, 10% can happen

[signal burrow]

Cringe tier combinatorics understanding but okay

[vernal ledge]

stop saying "statistically speaking" to sound smart. it's making you look the opposite.

[silver rover]

Who else can say gamblers fallacy XD

[signal burrow]

Today I learned if I flip a coin 10 times I'm guaranteed 5 heads.

[ocean egret]

hi what happened

[ancient terrace]

a mess

[ocean egret]

):

[signal burrow]

Lava decided to sell GodMode™️ for approximately $500-2000 depending on your luck

[ocean egret]

[frozen scaffold]

he checked out diablo immortal and says i can do this better

[mystic prawn]

with fresh set of eyeballs please interact with the new content and give us your opinion

[ocean egret]

Ok brb

[trim talon]

and if you have a positive opinion of it, get out of here, that shit isn't wanted here clearly rofl

[raven maple]

Sorry i made a mistake, I thought that when I said statisitcally likely, people wouldn't assume that I meann 100% guaranteed

[signal burrow]

Okay

[ocean egret]

can’t acc it on phone, but I played on steam and I absolutely love my new king doot pet

just kidding

f r o g

[frozen scaffold]

thats more realsitic lol

[mystic prawn]

sure did

[signal burrow]

I feel like Lava should just tell us we all had a bad dream, rewind time 24 hours and we'll all just graciously pretend nothing happened

[trim talon]

only if I get my $10k back

[mystic prawn]

I cant play the game better or more to gain access to new content, I can either pay way too much money or wait 7 years

[signal burrow]

omfg this lmao

[burnt spindle]

He literally removed it from his steam page

[frozen scaffold]

hthe pain

[burnt spindle]

🤷‍♂️

[raven maple]

Bro I know you aren't this actually brain dead holy. I'm sorry you think I said that it's actually only 100% if you spend that much, good lukc buddy

[signal burrow]

I can't imagine a better pic to spam

[keen creek]

u still here? Poor guy

[signal burrow]

lul

[raven maple]

Good luck buddy

[ancient terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898

[keen creek]

This whole thing is just a huge:

[tender ridge]

you're collecting/making so many things i'm wainting for the full on narrated powerpoint presentation of how much the update sucks

[ancient terrace]

Do it

[mellow iris]

he actually did XD

[lofty flint]

the biggest trick lava pulled is making people think this was just a poorly thought out update

[signal burrow]

This is literally the posterchild pic for the situation

[lofty flint]

this is 1000% planned

[frozen scaffold]

he already premade the hotfix just to cash in on wales

[keen creek]

oof, this doesnt make me feel good

[signal burrow]

It's 100% predatory and intentional it deadass makes me think he's done with developing idleon and this is just a swan song cash grab

[lofty flint]

ive said this for years, i wish this game was made by someone other than lava

[signal burrow]

Bro everyone feels this way we just dont wanna get banned off his discord for the 8th time

[frozen scaffold]

watch % drop in real time

[ancient terrace]

people in 100 years getting doot

[ocean egret]

[lime marsh]

What are the chances of doot vs getting the other top 3 pets?

[frozen scaffold]

you did hunt the doot so much you turned into it

[mystic prawn]

was there an updated list of things doot affects

[signal burrow]

Even when fully buffed chances via treat upgrades it's 0.85% so you do the math lol

[mystic prawn]

oh its grown

thats insane

[craggy galleon]

lol, number of messages in this thread is probably higher than in all other feedback threads combined:D

[mystic prawn]

that is just absolutely insane

[ancient terrace]

the fact its 4 hours old

[mystic prawn]

so how do I get these amazing new bonuses by playing the game? or am I not meant to play the game

[gray gale]

its deserved tbh

[dim summit]

< 10 % odds if u dont spend to get doot before next pet rotation

dumb

[signal burrow]

This is why I'm convinced this is Lava's way of retiring Idleon and he just wants to squeeze whales for 3-4 months before just going ghost on us

[burnt spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/empty-roll-tumbleweed-gif-5514767

[ocean egret]

[mellow iris]

give your acc to your son and make him give it to his son maybe they'll somehow get it

[mystic prawn]

this is just absurd

[modest blade]

https://tenor.com/view/itrendz-itrendz-trading-itrendz-family-options-trading-money-gif-26396247

[frozen scaffold]

if you dont have any money for gambling you cant gamble

[signal burrow]

Don't worry someone will trade Doot for you in about 250 years of you getting free rolls and maybe getting a pet that's worth doot to someone else, that you won't want to trade because it's doot tier to begin with.

Oh wait you can't trade free pets. wowwweeee

[ocean egret]

[keen creek]

In this argument there are only 2 sides. Those who agree and those don't, and this makes me sad

[dim summit]

good thing only 0,85 % will be happy

[signal burrow]

This is the irony of my statement I'm glad it wasn't missed

[burnt spindle]

Cause we getting new pets in like 10 weeks

[modest blade]

maybe the next super rare pet in 10 weeks

[keen creek]

prob some other insane pet from another rotation

[ocean egret]

People only agree because they got the good thing, people disagree because this is an understandably p2w update

[signal burrow]

Nobody is gonna have like 3+ Doots to trade so it's a moot point

[burnt spindle]

lmao

[mystic prawn]

im too addicted to idleon, if I had a spine I would've left today but alas I am spineless so if you'll excuse me I have to use these dootjat eyes to kill some doots

[white surge]

this game had a lot of good stuff that outscaled the bad stuff but after this update, it just feel like the scale went into the gutters right now. i think im gonna take a long long break for now

[compact abyss]

exactly why trading is basically useless

[ocean egret]

Moot? Is that the new best pet above Doot?

[keen creek]

how much 💳 it cost ya?

[signal burrow]

Don't kid yourself, combine the fact that free pets recycle for ZERO GEMS and you can't trade freebie pets. The "don't worry it's not p2w you can just trade" is an offensively garbage hand-wave to hide how criminally predatory this is

[burnt spindle]

it aint mine

so dont ask

[keen creek]

phew, i was confused

[burnt spindle]

I'm not participating in this

[upbeat lily]

just wait for next companion that will make no bubble left behind affect every bubble

[compact abyss]

okay, so 1 in 10000 people can trade.. so the other 9999 get fucked

[keen creek]

cuz some hrs ago u said ya aint getting into this another level gamba

so that would be confusing

[burnt spindle]

And I'm not

[ancient terrace]

while ur still here

[burnt spindle]

Just posting an image of it happening

[frozen scaffold]

or it is +10 upgrades each

[signal burrow]

I can't wait until people are RMTing Doot on shady sites for $300

[lime marsh]

I will trade a slug for a doot

[upbeat lily]

probably both

[burnt spindle]

FOR THE LAST TIME NOT MINE

[ocean egret]

Windows 💀💀💀

[keen creek]

im good in "Stuck in 2013" guild

[lime marsh]

Shame

Still got a slug to trade for doot

[mystic prawn]

not excited for the 3rd premium currency, red gems all the blue and green gems you've bought will be unusable for whatever those are used for

[ancient terrace]

But with XP, you can be stuck in 2001

[ocean egret]

But discord was made in 2015

[keen creek]

i will for a frog, oh wait, u cant cuz mine is free

[lime marsh]

....... rip

[frozen scaffold]

probably lol

[signal burrow]

Don't forget Lava's D tier logic "Blue gems are cheatable so I gotta make green gems instead of just fixing blue gems... ya.... believe me pls"

[keen creek]

i wasnt born then tho

[gray gale]

but tony it must be you posted a pic it HAS to be urs D:

[ancient terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[ocean egret]

You weren’t born then either, windows

[keen creek]

my diagnosis is only skill issue minus the skill

wait

np

no

[ancient terrace]

how do you know

[keen creek]

that sounds wrong

oh

[ocean egret]

You put your birthday in your about me once lol

[upbeat lily]

imagine companion that will make presets synchronize between devices

[ancient terrace]

when

[keen creek]

how old are u window?

[ancient terrace]

i dont remember doing that lmfao

[ocean egret]

early 2023 or late 2022

[compact abyss]

imagine remembering that lol

[white surge]

well his name is crazyman

[ancient terrace]

probably 2022 because i dont remember

[compact abyss]

fair

[granite rover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738868424813445172/1119220414476984430/ezgif.com-gif-maker_6-1.gif

[ancient terrace]

i only remember having my about me set to magnesium ok

[ocean egret]

He forgor 💀

[frozen scaffold]

guess he should go to ea and monetize sports games

[signal burrow]

I can't wait for Lava to properly talk about this and hand wave it off like we're all just over reacting.

The tonedeaf zero responsibility memo will be so cringe it'll come full circle and be funny

[radiant glacier]

this kinda get me back to bad habits of me having gambling addiction. Hoped never expierences that kind of thing into idleon

[keen creek]

i do find it funny how much this blew up

[worn plank]

Yeah this is bad bad

[upbeat lily]

5 more check marks

4 more

[ancient terrace]

YES

NO

[ocean egret]

HAPPY NEW YEAR#

[compact abyss]

its at 300 for me

[upbeat lily]

300 LETS GO

[ancient terrace]

YES

[compact abyss]

304

[signal burrow]

Wait until steam reviews go full blown red and Lava tries to pretend like he didn't do anything wrong

[ancient terrace]

THREE HUNDRED

[compact abyss]

307

[keen creek]

Pi hundred

[atomic ingot]

3

[vagrant girder]

318

[keen creek]

NO

THEY BROKE PI HUNDRED

[trail spindle]

i love how even lava has seen this

[ancient terrace]

hi evermore

[keen creek]

[vagrant girder]

WE WENT HIGHER

[keen creek]

PI HUNDRED

[atomic ingot]

he has? 😮 has he said anything?

[keen creek]

[compact abyss]

1 thing

[ancient terrace]

Yes, he sent a meme

[atomic ingot]

where

[keen creek]

oh well

[normal roost]

"i can't use blue gems because they're not secure"

[atomic ingot]

oh...

[signal burrow]

Does anyone actually think this was just an oopsie? He 100% knows what he did. He's probably gonna let Idleon die and treat it as passive income

[atomic ingot]

LOL

[keen creek]

This is such a sad sight

[keen creek]

how u even check this?

[atomic ingot]

this is also my worry

[upbeat lily]

..

[trail spindle]

but he proceeds to add no way to get greens without money

[atomic ingot]

and its so sad cause its one of the best games ive played

[upbeat lily]

what's in the new update? was there any bug with buying green gems?

[deep spoke]

Wow, I instantly paid 50€ one this new update and after not getting any good pet I regret this so much.
I was spending around 10€ a month and wanted to stop for a while but just couldn't, almost like an addiction. I guess this update is enough to make me finally stop.

[compact abyss]

ive never even seen a graph as bad as the gold thing, this is just wow

[normal roost]

he knows exactly what he's doing, and that's milking whales.

[signal burrow]

Normally I wouldn't be hyperbolic but it SCREAMS "I don't wanna develop anymore so I'm just gonna squeeze you for all it's worth and then go ghost"

[trail spindle]

the problem is the only way to get them IS to buy them

[atomic ingot]

really seems like hes just pulling these last cash grab updates before abandoning the game

hes sounds like a smart guy he knows what hes doing

[trail spindle]

^

[signal burrow]

Exactly what I think he's doing

[upbeat lily]

yeah he’s going to abandon the game like what he did with IS

[trail spindle]

im 80% sure that breaks some form of laws though

[smoky warren]

how to upload pictuire?

[atomic ingot]

probably not but he be breaking my heart 💔

[trail spindle]

he brought out one new update in like 3 years and made tons off of it

[compact abyss]

yeah, but so do chips so

[frozen scaffold]

he knows he ruins his gaming dev career lol

[signal burrow]

Probs not but when a developer does an obvious cash grab they usually allow refunds

Despite saying they don't

[onyx fog]

it really is over, isnt it

[trail spindle]

because incoming lawsuit

[upbeat lily]

infinilyte will never be real..

[compact abyss]

multiple eu countries either ban lootboxes entirely or require gambling permits

[onyx fog]

depends on the country the game is played, any of the big ones, nope

[frozen scaffold]

from now on every new patch people will not trust him
every new project people will not trust him he lost if he doesnt find a good way to fix this

[keen creek]

i doubt its ending

[signal burrow]

I'm half expecting Lava to just blanket ban everyone who posted in this thread and pretend nothing happened

[keen creek]

he was talking about roadmaps and all

W8

and allat

[craggy galleon]

Expected fix:

[signal burrow]

You forgot a 9

[ancient terrace]

get doot challenge

[worldly ore]

Rest in pieces money

[onyx fog]

free pets should really just be a daily and the rarity something like total quests done.

[lofty flint]

are you gonna chargeback when you get him

[ancient terrace]

it aint mine

[signal burrow]

This would be about 50% less cringe if pets were free every daily reset. But it would still be top tier cringe

[ancient terrace]

i spent not even a cent

[atomic ingot]

i feel like huge buffs like these should be somewhat earned

[onyx fog]

im confused, after 40 pets, ur just throwing them away?

[trail spindle]

who i need to know, please

[atomic ingot]

like eldritch artifacts

[ancient terrace]

#idleon-gen-chat message

[onyx fog]

the storage is the biggest rip off. For $45 u can hold 40 pets.

Wheres the math

[trim current]

there are many decent examples of gacha that is platable to the masses (see cygames)...do that instead of this. please.

[ancient terrace]

@queen iron wake up bro

[onyx fog]

the DAILY ball game is DAILY, being that its just MTX it is a free DAILY. I think the issue here is clear

[signal burrow]

He's probably busy having an anxiety attack because he's tone deaf enough to think this wasn't shockingly bad

[shell shale]

This update does need some f2p ways added to make it an acceptable update.
I'd say add a way to get either green gems f2p (trade them for blue gems for example), or make it like 1 free pet twice a week instead of 1 per week, or every 2 days orso.

It'll still be rare to get Doot (which is okay, things can be rare), but possible even for f2p players. Whales get their pet early and can use it early (headstart), and f2p players, or casual payers, can get it slowly but eventually. This way, whales are respected too in their decision to pay a lot to get Doot asap.

Also, I'm a bit worried about more pets being added and lowering the chance to get Doot in the future even more. That has to be taken into account by Lava. As that would be unfair treatment for f2p players or late payers.

[mystic prawn]

dunno what to say really, this is just a bad direction we are headed

[frozen scaffold]

hes waiting a few hours till he adds his before prepared hotfix to milk the wales some more

[ancient terrace]

Fomo

[abstract sapphire]

i was thinking free pets should give green gems too upon trashing

[ancient terrace]

Doot goes away after 10 weeks

[signal burrow]

I wanna send an equity agreement to Lava. for 1% of IdleonCorp I will filter all his braindead ideas from hitting live and thusly increase market cap by 4005%

[onyx fog]

As long as only whales pay the bills this stuff is always going to happen in f2p games. They see the money flow it from that screenshot

[atomic ingot]

i dont like the whole new currency thing, and it should also be somewhat incorporated w breeding

not just some random pet station in w1

[ancient terrace]

there will be rotations

so in 10 weeks king doot will be replaced and so will all the others

[signal burrow]

It's like gemshop/pachinko rotations. If you want doot you gotta get him now

[onyx fog]

Where is this info posted? i didnt see sorry

[ancient terrace]

im pretty sure its said somewhere

[mystic prawn]

forgot about this entirely, I thought this was super bad, but it's worse

[ancient terrace]

let me recheck

[signal burrow]

It's BEYOND stupid how anyone would think this is okay. It's so absurd it HAS to be Lava deciding to stop developing and just milking as much as possible

[keen creek]

Best steam review possible

[frozen scaffold]

hes digging for gems

[ancient bane]

He said on stream, if you do have doot you keep the bonus though, so it creates FOMO (fear of missing out)very predatory practice combined with gambling rng chance to get

[upbeat lily]

vouch spent a decent amount on the game but seeing the new update idek anymore

[atomic ingot]

and i thought it would be hard to top ow2 cancelling pve 😢

[bright grove]

I feel like 2 pets per week would make it a vit better

[ancient bane]

ANother great game ruined by greed, every developer slowly turns into Bobby Kotick.

[upbeat lily]

dawg u need like 7 pets a week

every 24hr atleast

[keen creek]

a "bit", but not that much

[signal burrow]

Bro with those odds even 1 every 24/h is cringe

[ancient bane]

If you dont spend hundreds of dollars right now it would take you like 10years to get Doot for free atm on average, 2 week would still take 5 years.

[frozen scaffold]

still bad without any form of pity

[gray gale]

removing dupe chance would completely fix this imo

[upbeat lily]

yeah would take a year of daily logging in

[shell shale]

I doubt Lava wants to stop developing this game, it's a very active one and that would ruin his reputation and people's trust in future games.

[signal burrow]

Implying Lava knows how to program, good one

[cunning nest]

watch the next update makes the free pet always a guaranteed one

[upbeat lily]

but wow 164hr for a free pet is criminal

[signal burrow]

Lava... reputation.... omegalul

[bright grove]

That would probably be what we will get if lava decides to change it

[mystic prawn]

there is breeding already in the game, why do we go to w1 to talk to a dog to click claim free pet once a week

[upbeat lily]

its in w1 also

that says something

w1 town also

someone can open up the game first time player and buy pets

[mystic prawn]

none of this makes any sense to me

[atomic ingot]

he basically added a cash shop in w1 its so distasteful 😦

[keen creek]

same

[signal burrow]

Blatantly targeting people who are starting out lol

[upbeat lily]

yeah i generally feel like lava was trollin theres no way he thought this was a good idea