#guild leader impeachment.

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edgy coyote
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For use in usurping control from individuals who have been offline for more than a month; as these individuals detriment the guilds they lead significantly

plucky vortex
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just join a more active guild

edgy coyote
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Interested in all HELPFUL feedback to this suggestion.

hot glen
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Agreed, after someone has been offline for a month the rest of the guild should be able to vote for a new guild leader. People quit online games all the time, and a guild leader quitting currently kills the guild since it can't get upgrades anymore.

edgy coyote
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Thank you!

remote yew
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As a guild leader who built their guild from the ground up I’d hate to take a brake from the game and lose leadership of everything I’ve worked to build

edgy coyote
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Do your breaks from the game typically take more than 30 days?

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I’m not saying your not entitled to take time off

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But one of my accounts is in a guild, where the leader hasn’t been on in 6 months

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That’s not a break, the dude quit

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I COULD restart, and fairly easily, as I DOUBLE the guild contribution of the next closest member and am the newest addition; HOWEVER it would make more sense to use what is available as the ENTIRE GUILD hasn’t been on in months

vernal merlin
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didnt even know it was your suggestion hahaha

copper steppe
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Has Lava said something about this?

keen lichen
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A more reasonable fix instead of just straight up impeachment. Have an “acting guild leader” that way when the leader comes back it’s fine. I don’t know exactly the difference between whatever guild ranks but I’m sure just after a month giving an acting guild leader to someone will help. How it’s decide I don’t know, adding a whole voting system is just too much because to me if you’re guild leader is inactive, it’s just a random guild that most players aren’t that active.

copper steppe
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Why not based on the best active contributor?

grave minnow
copper steppe
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Yes, but with the data we have, what else can we choose?

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Or something like this:

  • Guild leader AFK +45days
  • 10% most active player
    then a button to be the "acting guild leader" or "the new leader" will appear

Like that, only someone that open at least the guild menu can take the lead

lime spruce
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i made a suggestion about the exact problem earlier this year, but i guess it was a too niche problem to get enough attention to make it into the top suggestions:

Guild Owner rank drop after xxx hours of no login

Please make the guild owner rank drop to the highest ranked member > highest GP member with at least xxGP collected logged to the guild. Its sad to have active guilds with high perks crumble cause the old GM burned his laptop and never came back for a year.

The tolerance time for absence should be at least a month of no login i think, but no longer than 3 months.
It could also only work for guilds above a certain guild level with assumed adequately leveled perks to give no concern about unhealthily necromancing low-tier guilds.

tl;dr: new assignment for guild owner rank if the original one never comes back

lime spruce
# remote yew As a guild leader who built their guild from the ground up I’d hate to take a br...

i can understand that, but if you have 150+ people in a guild that are all more or less active, have build up a community maybe even formed friendships, and all of them contributed to max out the guild perks in a team effort - at that point independant of game mechanics, is it really just fair to say its "your" guild , and your guild alone, and you alone also decide over life and death of the guild on your decision to leave the game w/o notice? the guild owner is socially not the guild alone, as everyone is, and this should reflect better in the game mechanics.
if someone decides to quit the game it is as it is, but that shouldnt affect these 150+ players that keep playing

copper steppe
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There is the achievement for the 20k GP on steam that take time to get and with more than 15k I don't want to leave my guild.

This type of feature is not uncommon among the games now so if we can get something to fix this issues.

keen lichen
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I would say if there's a co owner position or whatever the perks are. Allow them to do it as well, but keep the leader. Cause you wouldnt understand what its like to get that shit ripped from you unless you did it.

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I have a Clash of Clans clan lol, and it died but I keep the clan because it's my clan. And if the people kicked me from being the leader even though I built it I would be pissed.

copper steppe
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I understand but if you take a break and dont play the game, it should not affect all the player in your guild.

In Idleon, I would love more content with the guild but It can be a problem if the leader last connection was 1 year ago :/

lime spruce
# keen lichen I would say if there's a co owner position or whatever the perks are. Allow them...

i think this strongly depends on how one views a guild. if the guild owner has no connection to their members and only see them as idling GP sources, then they dont actually need to bother about if the guild dies with them. but its not just the guild owner that builds up the guild, but everyone is needed to gather the required gp for the upgrades, so in my opinion the members should have at least the right to rely on the guild owner to not let their points go to waste.
what they would do if the guild owner suddenly went offline for weeks and no one knows if they are just on a vacation, or a break, or quit for good. so they have to decide on whether to rely on their return and waste their time and points, or immediately leave.

if given, i enjoy the aspect of community where a guild is not only a resource for upgrades, but also a place where people talk and actually play the game together.
when i was a guild owner in another game and my private laptop died, there were precautions taken that my leadership could take my owner rank from my account to keep the guild going without me, and in worst case the game had a mechanic similar to my suggestion that had my rank dropped. when i could return to the game only after a couple months, i got my owner rank offered back as the first thing.
so maybe i just see this less of a problem for finding a solution of the existing issue with guilds

keen lichen
brisk scroll
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Hard agree. My guild leaders haven't been active in quite a while and we have over 100k in unspent gp. Some of those guild perks are pretty dang good so it feels bad having all that wasted potential.
"Just switch guilds" I've been in this guild since w2 was endgame and I'm not going anywhere. It's not "my" guild, but it's my guild, ya know?
Maybe not "impeachment" per se, I think if you start a guild it should be yours forever, even if you straight up quit the game. I know how it is, I've taken a year long break at one point and don't expect other people to stay active forever either. But there should at least be a way for active members to spend gp. Maybe have it so anyone can spend gp if there's over a certain amount of unspent points. Or a time limit on leaders being inactive, after which anyone can spend points or vote for a new co-leader who can do so. Or have that role automatically assigned to whoever has the most gp contribution and has been active recently. Whichever is easiest to implement is fine, I just want something done about this.

keen lichen
rocky frost
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Is there any update on this?
I was planning to post this "guild leader report button/ auto impeachment" idea in player-suggestions, but I wanted to see first if there is any update

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AND/OR 
Add a report button in the Guild tab (example in the screenshot)

For example our guild has 254k GP to be spent but the guildleader is afk and nowhere to be found. The members keep playing with less guild buffs and the daily contribution is not awarded."```
upbeat hazel
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I made my guild almost 2 years ago and I added a system where you can take longer breaks based on your collected GP, because this game can get very repetitive and boring in the late game. Current highest allowed break/hiatus is 32 weeks for 25000+ GP

So I'm definitely against this impeachment suggestion.
Just make your own guild, if you never want to take any breaks 😅

upbeat hazel
lime spruce
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yeah, i think there are different approaches to a solution based on perspective and experience in game.
im actually happy everyone shares their point of view, so i am understanding people better now that are against a suggestion i posted and would change that if i try again for it in a couple months or so after my suggestion CD is down xD

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trying to summarize what we do agree upon? correct me if im wrong! ^-^

  • the owner/only leader leaving for more than a month is a problem for the guild, the more the more GP are still to spend
  • current issues on the MIA owner are:
    • only way to assign leaders; if no leaders, only way to spend GP, kick people, accept people into the guild; therefore spiral into death even if the rest of the guild remains active
    • people stuck on the guild not knowing if its dead or still alive, possibly wasting GP that would be spend better in an active guild
  • people in game have no chance of knowing if the guild leadership quit as last login times are not shown
  • in worst case there are 170+ active players negatively affected by one player quitting
  • guild owners should be allowed to take a break without losing the guild they invested time and love to build up
  • GP as only requirement for a drop of rank is not enough as players take breaks too
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so far i think a fair solution towards players and guild owner could be to newly assign some sort of admin role to the player filling multiple requirements (like gp spend/rank/being first online - or a vote of the guild members similar to the bonus pick) that would persist and allow spend GP and inviting/kicking players to keep the guild going until the owner returns.

upbeat hazel
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Spending GP and inviting people is fine, but giving someone the authority to kick everyone out on a whim doesn't seem like a good idea.

I think the biggest problem currently is the fact that you can't see others activity rate in game.
I currently need to weekly manually check all 162 GP counts from my guild list and write them down to Excel.

This could be solved with guild stats like "Last online", "Collected GP (Daily)" and "Collected GP (weekly)". After these parameters are in game, there should be a system where the guild leader could set limits for these parameters ie. "auto-kick for player with too long time of inactivity".
This should be pretty simple to program as it is only a check of "IF (condition) THEN kick player".

Same amount of automation could work for Guild bonuses in a way that you could set a priority for all bonuses and they would be increased in that order without leaders input. For guilds with longtime inactive leaders there could be a default priority order so their bonuses would also be increased.

Guild management is currently very tedious process in IdleOn and I think these types of automated processes would benefit both active and inactive guilds.

lime spruce
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hmm, i think that kicking people might be a necessary thing to do, depending on the duration of absence of the actual leadership.
may be additionally to the guild stats, you could give the owner some memmber monitor where he can set some sort of protection shield at members that are never to be kicked. that might be tricky tho if an owner would just protect all players and then stops playing forever, getting the guild in the same position as before or have the (administrative) leaders bag people to actually leave the guild on their own to give room for new actively playing people.
he might possibly also set an order of rank drop from there 🤔

i like your other ideas!

rocky frost
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I believe rank dropping would not change anything. I'm pretty sure in most guilds the leaders are giving stars to their friends instead of using it as a reward system. It literally says "Just for aesthetic". The leader can stay leader but we need more people who are authorized to make changes.
After reading all you said, I agree with Muffy that kicking people might be necessary, but honestly I do care more about getting the Bonuses upgraded. It better be slower with 10 out of 170 people afk than having a tryhard leader willing to kick people who don't play for 2 days.
That's all I am asking for.

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