An Autoloot Alternative

[weary viper]

you said no one cares, but people arguing against you do care

[native lance]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1092297132100300882

[scarlet basalt]

Oh god it got bad already...comment farming time!

[delicate pebble]

English isn't your first language I assume

[native lance]

it is relevant? youre not forced to pay, but the problem is you want the same benifit as if you would have paid

just pay bro

stop being poor

[hushed torrent]

[delicate pebble]

not saying it as an insult here

[native lance]

arent you going to be a doctor

[cursive creek]

Then what was the purpose of your message?

[delicate pebble]

the homeless should just buy a home

[weary viper]

Lets not go down this road lol

[delicate pebble]

bad game design should be fixed

[dawn vector]

yes, $5 is the same as affording rent lol

[native lance]

idleon is a luxury, luxury should be paid

[delicate pebble]

irrelevant to the price

irrelevant to me

[native lance]

its not the same as the bare minimum to survive

[cursive creek]

Again, no one is forcing you. What is the bad game design, that you are able to be completely f2p and get to experience every content for free?

[native lance]

fighting to not pay for a game is the most baby mentality ever

[delicate pebble]

that the game crashes in 10 minutes

[dawn vector]

if everyone who had spent the time to comment on this post had instead spent that time washing a car/walking a dog for their neighbours, they'd have $5 to buy autoloot

[native lance]

it never crashed for me 😎

I did pay for autoloot 15min after downloading tho

[cursive creek]

Then either be active playing active, or play idle instead?

[native lance]

Fr I just spent a whole class period talking bout this

rip

[weary viper]

?mute 535206652320677889 2h no nsfw and keep it civil

[forest belfry]

can he make it#3808 was muted. | no nsfw and keep it civil

[delicate pebble]

that's a workaround not a fix

[dawn vector]

This whole thread boils down to:

"i want to do the thing"

"then buy the thing that lets you do that"

"no"

[cursive creek]

No, you want to play active, then play active. Nothing is stopping you from picking up loot every 2 minutes if you choose to play active.

[delicate pebble]

honestly I don't understand why yall so vehemant against fixing loot causing lag or giving us an alternative

even if it's just 5 dollars

why are you against this exactly what Is your purpose here

[cursive creek]

It's literally lagging because you don't want to be active playing active.

[dawn vector]

why do you keep saying "giving us an alternative"? You have an alternative

[weary viper]

For the same reason you're arguing back, we believe in our opinion.

[dawn vector]

You want the same benefit of autoloot, without paying for it.

[atomic cedar]

Would there be a problem if it was say either 2 or 4k gems or $5? That way it's possible to get it "free" over time but faster just to pay directly

[delicate pebble]

that loot should cause lag when left on the ground for more than 3 minutes

it has a 60 minute disappear timer for a reason

[cursive creek]

As someone who has worked in the gaming industry for years, I can tell you full hearthedly that IdleOn is extremely generous with it's f2p content.

[delicate pebble]

I can name you 50 games in this genre much more f2p friendly

[atomic cedar]

I bought it personally because I've played for a long time, but when I look at games like archero, I get turned away because some things cost "gems" and some characters are ONLY $$$. It actually turned me as a new player away.

[weary viper]

so go play those

[delicate pebble]

already did

[weary viper]

If you, all of you arguing this point, are so adamant that an f2p game should not have a "pay wall" as you describe it, then your continuing use of the game is support of that decision. If you truly want to make a stand, quit playing.

[atomic cedar]

Now if every character in archero was "$27.99 OR 4000 gems", I'd support it.

[weary viper]

By logging into idleon every day, you agree and support the game having a "paywall"

[atomic cedar]

But "this dude is only available for $27.99", nope, next game.

[weary viper]

It literally is, lava gets views by playing, more people playing more money. Despite what you think, you are supporting idleon and whatever Lava decides is in the game by continuing to play.

[atomic cedar]

I can afford $27.99 but it's the principle.

If I was a new player and saw this before I was truly into the game, I may just think "other games have auto loot why should I learn to like this one" and move on.

[weary viper]

If you think something is wrong, or incorrect, but continue to still support it by using it, then that is support. Your view may be against it, but you are still supporting the issue.

[atomic cedar]

Now if I knew the opportunity was there to EARN IT as well as straight up buy it, I'd probably be more likely to stick around and learn the game. First impressions are important.

[dawn vector]

I'd be happy if the current auto-loot got an extra effect and became "super" auto loot

[atomic cedar]

$5 is nothing, principle is everything

[dawn vector]

something like 2x all rare drops, something like that

just make it so that the people who bought the original autoloot have their purchase respected

[atomic cedar]

That could work too, a bonus for spending cash Vs gems. Something non game breaking.

[weary viper]

Then this thread would just be the same, but complaining about the paywall giving another benefit.

[dawn vector]

still have "super" auto loot as $5 only, but have regular autoloot as a gem purchase

[delicate pebble]

I mean I haven't logged in for a week or 2

[scarlet basalt]

Why should you get compensated for losing $5? Isn't 5 dollars nothing to you?

[weary viper]

you're here now 🤷

[delicate pebble]

not really

[dawn vector]

because you can get gems for free, you cannot get $5 for free just by playing

[delicate pebble]

you don't see people complaining about snoozy hat being exclusive and this sort of stuff

[atomic cedar]

Autoloot is huge, it affects you a lot. Increased drop on rare loot... Oh no

[delicate pebble]

it's okay for paying players to get better stuff

[weary viper]

they do, frequently

[atomic cedar]

"that guy got 23 woodular circles instead of my 21. Reeeeeeeee."

[delicate pebble]

but there's a fine line between getting significantly better boosts and a game mechanic locked behind a paywall ( no matter how small you may find that wall)

[scarlet basalt]

Yes, so go ahead and lose 5 dollars, like an hour of work. Your own point came back around to bite ya in the back

[dawn vector]

I did, I'm not bitching about it lol

[atomic cedar]

It basically turned the game into mini maple story

[scarlet basalt]

Oh, sorry it was the other dude then

[atomic cedar]

"autoloot? Buy a perma pet with perma loots"

"they're only available for cash"

[dawn vector]

I'm totally happy with a version of autoloot to be a gemshop purchase, but the autoloot that was $5 only needs to stand out in some way

[weary viper]

if he adds it as a gem option, the storage would still be cash exclusive 🤷

[dawn vector]

The value of storage decreases over time as more storage is added

[atomic cedar]

"auto loot bundle! $5! Includes autoloot, 1k gems and a card pack"

[delicate pebble]

probably more than month of doing like captcha and Google surveys

[scarlet basalt]

Which is more work aroundable than autoloot itself

[delicate pebble]

bruh my entire life savings are 2k pounds

thats like

[atomic cedar]

I feel you

As a student I feel you

[delicate pebble]

60 dollars

[weary viper]

You know most people have no savings right? they literally live paycheck to paycheck

[dawn vector]

that's far more than most people

[weary viper]

a lot of people dont even have bank accounts

[delicate pebble]

1 dollar = 33 pounds

[delicate pebble]

neither do I

they was in my drawer but I used them and some extra money from my dad for college

3500 pounds for college

[scarlet basalt]

Honestly we're just blowing this way out of proportion. This post was literally just to do a simple change so autoloot is accesible in some way to f2p, and yet we got people adamantidly defending both sides, like bruh a change like this doesn't deserve to be so controversial

[fluid saddle]

and instead of trying to improve their position they spam messages in free game that ONE feature is cash only?

[delicate pebble]

honestly I could just play brawl stars or any more f2p friendly game but tbh I really liked idleon and wanted it to be better

[scarlet basalt]

At the same time though, this post could get to 2k comments if it continues this way 😏

[delicate pebble]

Ima slide these in for the flex

the f2p flex

[hushed torrent]

clash royale turned more p2w so i play brawl stars a little more now too

[delicate pebble]

ye fr

[scarlet basalt]

Oh, someone still playing tap titans 2 in 2023?

[delicate pebble]

I play every now and then but I take frequent breaks

[cursive creek]

This entire topic is about an autoloot alternative, but every alternative that is offered/suggested you diss and cry about. People who paid should get something for their money, simple as that. The disrespect towards people who paid actual money in this topic is insane.

[delicate pebble]

but isn't it insignificant money

I mean it's just 5 dollars

as you keep explaining

I don't mind people paying money to get like a hat that gives a 50% afk boost tbh

[scarlet basalt]

Literally the argument came back arount to betray them

[dawn vector]

you cant use both sides of that argument

[cursive creek]

I actually said I felt for you, and that I get it's not affordable for some people. So I'm not sure what you are on about.

[scarlet basalt]

Bruh we are getting on this again?

[dawn vector]

"it shouldnt be 5 dollars, it should be free"

"isnt it only 5 dollars, why are you upset about other people getting it free?"

pick one

[delicate pebble]

I mean I'm not trying to be against you here

[dawn vector]

if it's just 5 dollars as you guys say, it shouldn't be an issue for you to pay it 🤷

[scarlet basalt]

"It's only $5 dollars bro"

"People who paid $5 for it should be compensated for it going free"
Pick one

[dawn vector]

do you really not see the difference?

[scarlet basalt]

And you?

[cursive creek]

You are, you are disrespecting any alternative given as a solution to YOUR problem, and insulting people who paid because we aren't like you.

[dawn vector]

your answer to my question is always "no u?"

[delicate pebble]

which alternative

[dawn vector]

can't you think of an answer for yourself?

almost no one in here is against a free/gem autoloot, as long as the $5 version is better

[delicate pebble]

also I'm not the only f2p player in the world lmao tis no just my problem
f2p games get a much larger audience for a reason because not everyone spends money on games

I feel like if we all back up a bit we could Land on common ground

everyone seems invested in being correct

[cursive creek]

Scroll up, many options were given. Things like altering the loot filter, a free autoloot for free players but an upgraded autoloot for those that paid, ads and free autoloot for everyone, free autoloot but compensation for those that paid.

Every single idea you just put down and you simply just want free stuff and for it to be the exactly same as those that paid real money. 5 dollars, which to you is extremely much as you said yourself. What makes our hard earned money less valuable than yours?

[delicate pebble]

I

[scarlet basalt]

Because we both got the same issue, I was only using the $5 argument because I was proving the point that it was a ridiculous argument and it can go both ways

[delicate pebble]

I agreed with all these options

I said any alternative would work

same as everyone else did

[dawn vector]

it's not ridiculous to ask for someone to pay for something that you paid for

it is ridiculous to ask for someone to give you something for free that someone else paid for

[delicate pebble]

people were arguing against the principle but of course we would take an alternative if available

[dawn vector]

I go to the store and buy milk, it's not ridiculous for me to ask you to buy milk too

You go to the store and see me buying milk, it's ridiculous for you to ask for milk for free

see the difference?

[scarlet basalt]

And yet the $5 argument undermines it because it's supposedly nothing and can be gotten with a little of irl work

[delicate pebble]

but the owner said "free milk"

that's the argument against the principle

[dawn vector]

no, the owner said it was free to enter the shop and look around

[delicate pebble]

truly a generous owner lmao

[hushed torrent]

free milk if you milk the cow yourself, or buy it already bottled

[scarlet basalt]

And it's fair, but the "It's just 5 dollars" goes against what you said

[dawn vector]

which it can..? obviously not everyone is in a situation where they can spare that $5 on a game, but if that's the case then aren't there probably better things to be spending that money on?

[dawn vector]

How? Asking for you to pay your way goes against my argument?

[delicate pebble]

man I should really stop procrastinating and go study for my exam

[scarlet basalt]

No, because earlier people like you used the "It's just 5 dollars" to essentially say "Why are you whining so much when you can just buy it for $5? Bro it's so cheap", but then come back around and say "If you're gonna make it f2p, give compensation to those who paid for it", which just contradicts their own point. Is $5 important or not? Make your point and don't have double standards

[dawn vector]

the point is that gems can be earned for free, so any gem purchase is essentially an extended free purchase

[cursive creek]

Earlier was about that you can do every content without the autoloot, you just pay for convenience.

[weary viper]

Do you have a job?

[scarlet basalt]

No, but have savings, still studying

[dawn vector]

those who bought autoloot paid a straight $5, which is a different kind of purchase to a gem purchase

by offering autoloot as a gem purchase, it disrespects the $5 purchase as it was the ONLY way to get autoloot before

[distant oasis]

no it doesn't we have been able to use it ages before anyone else and you got your money worth of gems

i paid for it and i honestly don't get the problem people have with giving it to f2p who have to grind for ages to make enough free gems to get it like that

[dawn vector]

you can get gems for free

so no, it isn't the same

(imo)

[cursive creek]

"Money worth of gems" makes no sense at all. So the autoloot is worth nothing to you guys, so why complain about not having it?

[weary viper]

Playing devils' advocate here, because I do actually agree with you.
Would it be fair for me to come into your home and take something you've used enough?

[distant oasis]

i DO have it that is my point

[scarlet basalt]

Because this is literally a simple change that shouldn't have ended in this massive thread of back and forth rambling

[weary viper]

the argument proves its not simple

[cursive creek]

That's no point at all. Your thinking does not have to be the same as everyone elses who did pay for it. And you not caring does not mean others who paid don't care at all.

[scarlet basalt]

Maybe, but seriously the 2nd highest comment thread is something very important for ios players, and it doesn't come close to this thing which is literally just "make autoloot f2p"

[weary viper]

that has no relevance to this discussion

[dawn vector]

tbf that only has fewer comments because ios are a small proportion of the players

[fluid saddle]

ios players trying to takeover this funny thread

🧂

[weary viper]

I am of the opinion, anyone willing to support apple, deserves the issues that come with it. 🤷

[cursive creek]

So disrespectful. Imagine someone similar like OP who used years of savings to pay for autoloot because to them it was worth it. Making it free would be so rude to that player.

You have no way of knowing who paid for what, and what their position is. It's not just about 'simply making it f2p' at all.

[native lance]

listen man it wasn’t my fault my dad got me an ipad

[delicate pebble]

honestly I wouldn't really give a shit care that much if something I paid for became suddenly free
it is my money and I made the conscious choice to spend it on whatever I want because I deemed that this thing was of value when I bought it
what happens afterwards is irrelevant

.. I am procrastinating again

but point is if you bought a painting that cost a 1000$ and then it's price plummeted to 5$ then it was your choice to use your money to buy the painting

this comment does not mean I'm against alternatives I'm just saying

[cursive creek]

If you want to put it that selfishly, then it's your decision to not spend 5 dollars and not have autoloot. Problem solved?

[scarlet basalt]

At least this helped me stay awake for my class. Usually I'm sleepy, but mentally exhausting myself with this chat got me more active than coffee would

[delicate pebble]

ye I'm waiting on the autoloot market to crash

not really thou

[fierce perch]

why not have like an unlockable in w4/5 that allows you to buy autoloot for a certain #of gems

[delicate pebble]

lad picked the most unlikely scenario possible

achievement that unlocks a gem purchase for a few thousand gems

[delicate pebble]

either of these seperate seem nice thou

[atomic cedar]

Alternative, hear me out... A skill for an earlier world, that lets you have a pet. Say world 4, I don't know... Heard something from lava about a f2p autoloot pet... The PET autoloots. If lava really needs a $5 purchase in game, change it to higher drop rate or something as compensation for all who bought it. Or just keep it the same because "if I bought it, so must everyone else" - sincerely, someone who bought it day one of it existing

"oh no, someone has a higher drop rate than me in a pseudo mmorpg with no competition aside from 'muh epeen is bigger than yours because my number is bigger' "

[native lance]

🦀 5$ 🦀

[acoustic jetty]

Someone made a comment earlier, about auto-loot paid version depositing to chest automatically, and making regular autoloot a gem shop item. I think this is the best SUGGESTION I’ve heard yet

So basically paid autoloot, would almost never run out of space, especially if you use item filtering properly. Where as gem shop autoloot just loots to bag

[languid obsidian]

that was me i made that comment
i think it'd work best if it was also toggleable just incase u dont want to send things to storage

so instead of paying for autoloot u pay for auto deposit

i'd consider that fair, as someone who paid for autoloot

[languid obsidian]

(im probably not the only one who has said that but i havent seen anyone else yet, i could just be blind)

[agile sphinx]

They can't do that because they ARE a vocal minority. The vast amount of people who looked at this idea are in support of it.

[urban gyro]

Thats because everyone wants free shit.

[scarlet basalt]

Now that I think about it, that sounds like the best solution to this dilema. Lets f2p access to autoloot for long active sessions, which is super important as active is getting more relevance, while people who paid the $5 still get some equivalent to it, which is not fundamental this time but still helps out. You could even balance it out by making it based on telekinetic storage cooldown, so you still need the carry capacity to hold all those items before cooldown expires, and you can use item locks to prevent certain items from being deposited, like statues/gear. Now everyone is happy, I'm all for it

[languid obsidian]

i think since it's a paid for thing it shouldnt have a cooldown but that's just my opinion, up to lava if he does that

like instead of putting in ur inv it should just straight up put in the chest

[scarlet basalt]

I mean, paying for the ability to just use telekinetic storage on auto is super powerful, it essentially removes the need for carry cap, so needs to still have it's cooldown so bags are still important later on. If you can get your inv to not fill out in those 2k seconds, you can infinitely farm, which is a super fair trade

[languid obsidian]

well i mean item storage is still very useful for crafting but i get what u mean, it'd be like paying for an infinite storage capacity otherwise... hmm

[scarlet basalt]

Also compliments super great with the extra inv/storage space from the rest of the package. Literally fits like a charm

[ruby ginkgo]

Why does there need to be a F2P version?

[languid obsidian]

well either way it'll be better than telekinetic storage because it wont purge items on the floor when used so

[languid obsidian]

because not everyone has a supercomputer capable of handling long idling sessions

i literally couldnt leave my game on for more than like an hour and had to buy it because i wasnt gonna let my game expire when fighting things

[ruby ginkgo]

Seems like that's just avoiding the problem of optimization

[scarlet basalt]

And besides, with this option everybody wins, and the main issue is completely removed and makes the game more f2p friendly while also keeping the main incentive there

[languid obsidian]

i dont think any amount of optimization would fix 5 million items on the floor lmfao

plus it's just a good QoL thing for f2p players in general

[ruby ginkgo]

Don't drop 5 million items on the ground; you can make items have lower drop rates and lower costs for said resources.

[languid obsidian]

or, or hear me out

instead of changing the entire balance of the game to avoid a scenario u can pay 5 dollars to avoid

u just let everyone avoid it and give the people who paid 5 dollars a special extra perk instead

[ruby ginkgo]

And by the time that's necessary, it's pretty late game, so $5 for significant hours of gameplay seems worthwile

[languid obsidian]

i do not get the logic behind the "just buy it bro" argument, i am someone who bought it and even i want it to be f2p usable

like it's one thing to buy gems or special items

but autoloot in an idle game?

[ruby ginkgo]

Because more money, more investment into the game

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, but why avoid this option where literally everybody gets benefited in the end. Active is a necessary part of the game rn, autoloot is mandatory if you want reasonable active sessions, just give it to everybody and replace the $5 autoloot package with another useful perk, but this time not mandatory to run active, like being able to use telekinetic storage on auto

[languid obsidian]

again, i'd just be fine with an autodeposit instead with autoloot being f2p

i'd still pay for autodeposit, do u know how good of a compensation that'd be for 5 bucks?

[ruby ginkgo]

I mean make both $5 then; first and second tier

[languid obsidian]

that doesnt fix the problem

[scarlet basalt]

Bruh that misses the entire point of this option then

[languid obsidian]

the problem is some people just dont want to/cant

what're u gonna do if ur like 15-16 with no payment method of ur own and cant buy it but u cant play the funny idle game without ur crappy phone overheating intensely

[ruby ginkgo]

It's still going to happen

[languid obsidian]

not with autoloot

[ruby ginkgo]

Like autoloot without autodeposit just delays it

[languid obsidian]

not crashing for 7 hours is better than ur phone popping like a pipebomb in 30 minutes

which is the whole fuckin point of this argument

[scarlet basalt]

But that's what people are doing that rn just fine? With those people is proven that you can go long sessions without your inv going full, you just need carry cap, which is a basic feature of the game and basic progression anyways, so it all flows nicely together

[languid obsidian]

yeah it only took til like mid world 2 to get enough carry cap to be able to sit in one spot for like 48 hours active and still not have a full inv lmfao

world 2 not world 3 haha oops

autoloot being free and autodeposit being paid for is the best solution to this because it doesnt alienate anyone but provides a buyable perk for people still

and believe it or not, that perk doesnt break the game! it just mitigates micromanagement

no longer will i have to teleport 6 characters back to town after idle sessions

god that gets so tiring i just want to clear out the items then go progress on my main guy for a bit

also telekinetic storage still has the downside of destroying excess items on the floor if u cant hold them all, this would be better cus it wouldnt and i think for real money, that's fair

[scarlet basalt]

And besides for anybody else who doesn't want to buy that perk, they can just check their game every once in a while and click the button themselves, which is what everyone with autoloot is doing just fine rn

[languid obsidian]

autoloot is kinda essential for an idle game tbh

idle games, even actively playing them, are still idle games

[ruby ginkgo]

I agree with you on getting autodeposit; I am still fine with them both being paid for with real money though. It's worthwhile microtransactions.

To each their own; it's up to lava

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, but I mean, the reason why we are bringing auto-deposit as an option in the first place is to put another perk in replacement of autoloot in the $5 package, so those people still get an useful perk and f2p get to have autoloot so they can have proper active sessions

[languid obsidian]

yeah cus otherwise we paid 5 bucks for a bunch of random crap that wasnt even the main lure

granted helpful random crap, but like

imagine if u bought a hotdog

and halfway through eating it

it became a fucking burger

[ruby ginkgo]

I dont follow your analogy

[scarlet basalt]

Same, honestly wouldn't want to represent the option this way

[languid obsidian]

u expect a hotdog

u pay for hotdog

then it isnt hotdog after a while

[ruby ginkgo]

autoloot is the hotdog?

[languid obsidian]

it's an analogy

[ruby ginkgo]

autoloot didnt change though?

[native lance]

I think a better analogy would be "the ketchup and hotdog gotta be payed for separately"

[languid obsidian]

u are missing every single point

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, that was not the way to explain it

[languid obsidian]

1: autoloot for f2p players without a new perk compensation for those who paid would be ripping people off by promising one thing and then not getting it

2: autodeposit perk is arguably a bit stronger and i doubt people would complain if their autoloot was replaced with that and everyone had access to autoloot as f2ps

[scarlet basalt]

That's better

[native lance]

1.267k comments...

[languid obsidian]

3: not giving autoloot to f2p players is cringe because it's a large part of the gameplay experience and not everyone is going to be able to, nor even want to, pay money for it considering the game is f2p to begin with

[ruby ginkgo]

I already said keep them separate; the only difference is I think they should both be $ paid.

[languid obsidian]

and that is why u are missing the point

[ruby ginkgo]

The game doesnt have to be f2p friendly indefinitely

[languid obsidian]

so u want the ingame marketing to be predatory and take advantage of people?

[scarlet basalt]

We got a little crazy with this. 2nd most commented thread has like 450 comments, like a third of this...
It was super heated

[languid obsidian]

ur saying it shouldnt be friendly to the larger consumerbase and should instead

cater to people who will waste money on everything they see

just to play

[ruby ginkgo]

No?

[languid obsidian]

that is what this communicates

[ruby ginkgo]

False

There's a lot of healthy pay models that aren't predatory

[native lance]

majority of the IOS comments were "guys our suggestion is so close to being featured on this month's top suggestions! Upvote!"

[languid obsidian]

locking a basic feature behind a paywall and justifying it by saying "just buy it" is predatory

hence the whole "alternative" thing

[ruby ginkgo]

Except it leads to alternative pay modeling

[native lance]

if rashaken comes back and sees another arguement...

[languid obsidian]

paying for a non-essential but powerful perk is acceptable, paying for a basic feature that prevents ur phone battery from popping is not

[scarlet basalt]

The point of this idea was to replace this basic feature with an useful one, but not necessary, so f2p can still play the full experience just fine but people who support lava with the $5 still get something good in return

[languid obsidian]

exactly this

im fine with supporting lava myself, personally, but as someone who has before played these kinds of games with no way to buy anything, i sympathize with the f2p audience who either cant or wont.

[ruby ginkgo]

Or just fix the phone battery issue

Lol idk why y'all are upset I am suggesting to fix a technical problem

[languid obsidian]

we arent upset we just dont get why u dont get the point

[ruby ginkgo]

I do get the point

[languid obsidian]

u clearly do not because u still hold the "just buy it" mentality

[ruby ginkgo]

yes, we have two separate opinions

[scarlet basalt]

Fair enough, is just that this alone is not gonna fix this entire issue

[languid obsidian]

objectively, f2p autoloot is better for the average consumerbase. that is not an opinion that is objective

[ruby ginkgo]

Games that are very f2p friendly typically start locking majority of cool content behind paywalls, which is what I am concerned over

[languid obsidian]

like when i first started i didnt even know autoloot was a thing and expected my player to pick things up automatically

and then found out they didnt and was confused until i saw the autoloot

literally my first thought was the game would have autoloot by default for f2p

[ruby ginkgo]

it does for inactive idling

[scarlet basalt]

Well, lava technically did that already with the ammount of w4 content in gemshop, or w5, or limited specials. Thing is, those can be gotten eventually with just playing the game, autoloot is not

[languid obsidian]

being inactive gives less rewards, dude

[ruby ginkgo]

no duh

[languid obsidian]

yeah i like the gem shop model for this kind of stuff way more

like imagine if u had to pay 5 bucks to use multiple characters

u could play the game without multiple

but it'd be slower and less user-friendly

though in that case there isnt the huge performance issue but yknow

[scarlet basalt]

Also the ability to use multiple chars and work together for one goal is one of the main selling points of the game. Locking it behind a paywall would be like locking the full game outright

[ruby ginkgo]

I can't speak on w5, but w4 doesnt have as much as I would expect from some other popular games/companies

[languid obsidian]

to be fair though i could see a paid for game doing that kind of thing as a demo, in which case it'd work cus paid for game

and not f2p game with paywall

that's the tricky thing about f2p games

f2p games have no initial payment requirement so adding anything in that feels forced to enjoy it fully is like...

why not just make the game paid?

[scarlet basalt]

Yeah, that kind of separates it from autoloot in that regard, so probably not the best comparison

[native lance]

it’s like if idleon had a bundle for 2x damage

[languid obsidian]

i will say though, lava is cool for not using ads in his game

[languid obsidian]

oh god that'd be stupid op and like

almost required at some point i'd imagine if u wanted to do well faster lmao

oh man speaking of that now i kinda want a star talent that lowers accuracy but raises total damage...

[agile sphinx]

Honestly I'd be fine if Lava added an option to watch X number of ads to get Autoloot for free players. With those who want to being able to skip it by paying $5.

[scarlet basalt]

Or a star talent that makes skills cost more mana, but in turn increase their dmg%

[languid obsidian]

well ads also probably wouldnt work on steam too and it's cross platform

so that'd still force people on steam to pay 5 bucks.

or use bluestacks, but like

not everyone can do that either

that shit requires a good pc

[agile sphinx]

Eh, if ads didn't work on steam I could see directing steam players to the website version to get it.

And since that would be on the same platform (PC) it wouldn't be to bad for a 1 time thing.

[languid obsidian]

i dunno, i just

i dont think it should be locked at all

[agile sphinx]

Agreed.

[languid obsidian]

and im not like mad at lava or anything i dont think he's trying to scam people but it definitely isnt fair for people

[agile sphinx]

I'm just trying to offer a fair alternative over buying it.

[languid obsidian]

i just think the people who bought it should get funny autodeposit and that's really it, cus like

paying for autodeposit is optional since u can unlock an autodeposit that is slightly worse legit anyway

[agile sphinx]

And just to be fair, I'll note that I bought Autoloot 1st day it was available. But then I do that for most of the special packs, because they tend to be good deals.

[languid obsidian]

i bought it a couple days after starting just so my laptop would stop screaming

granted i also wanted to support lava, but

man if i didnt buy it my laptop would be a pile of melted plastic

[agile sphinx]

Also just to check, Ferrous this did make it into the best suggestions list for this month, right? It has triple the upvotes needed for consideration now, and more than double what is needed for a top suggestion. But I remember this suggestion had the needed votes back in February and wasn't in last months list.

[delicate pebble]

like "the way home"? truly the only paid game I have seen that allows you to purchase it with ads

it's entirely ad free but it goes
free trial of world 1 -> unlock full game for 10 bucks OR watch 50 (idk was it higher) ads (they get saved up like a bar so you can watch 200 at once and unlock all worlds) per world unlock

I of course watched 200 ads because that's much more accessible

[ruby willow]

Is it the one with a cat? I didn't know it was free on mobile because review said it was just a trial.

[delicate pebble]

ye the one with the cat

bruh someone reset the upvotes

what the actual fuck

sabotage at its finest

[rigid tide]

so we riot ?

[ruby willow]

How da heck does that work?

[rigid tide]

mod abuse

[ruby willow]

Did know it was even possible

[fleet violet]

Its a discord issue, too many reacts break it

Happened during the video contest too

[ruby willow]

*didn't

[ruby willow]

That would make more sense, cuz it could be op for lava if he were to become biased

[fleet violet]

Lava is biased tho

[delicate pebble]

I mean.ye but not to this degree

probably discord being discord

[fleet violet]

We're just here to tell him we want/dont want a feature and he'll consider it and may or may not add it

[ruby willow]

Why didn't you suggest this to #player-suggestions ?

Just curious

Because I think stuff there has a higher chance to be seen?

[delicate pebble]

people down voted the shit out of it because it was a sensitive subject that "oh you want to take income from lava"

and there wasn't much room for discussion

[ruby willow]

Oh

[delicate pebble]

unlike here most people that were against changed their minds

[fleet violet]

Im sure this has been suggested before there, lava's also probably already aware of this issue

[delicate pebble]

except the people with the just buy it mentality

[delicate pebble]

eh who knows at this point I was considering a break from idleon till lava adds chips to quick ref

[agile sphinx]

I didn't even realize there was a separate Player Suggestions channel. Seems kind of pointless when the forum system is more useful for discussing suggestions.

[delicate pebble]

many down votes

I mean it's still 5:1 but that's not enough

[native lance]

bro wants to charge patient 50k for a minor surgery but dont want to pay 5$ for autoloot

[scarlet basalt]

Well, there's also #player-sug-discuss

[agile sphinx]

I feel like the forum format works better for it, since then you can keep all discussion about one suggestion contained to that suggestion, rather than having it all get mixed up together. Also it lets the votes on the suggestion itself be visible at any time during the discussion. Now if only there was a way to get back to the original post quickly.

[queen lantern]

are we going to start arguing where the best place to put this is? I'll grab some popcorn.

but I will say... whats the point in a player feedback forum if its not a place where players can give feedback and be heard....

[native lance]

https://tenor.com/view/your-boy-kevin-malone-gif-18422142

that other place is for the elites

here plebians dont need to be heard (I am plebian)

[acoustic jetty]

This sounds amazing

[acoustic jetty]

People are whining

[acoustic jetty]

Idk what your talking about, it runs just fine on my 3090, with over 100gb of ram. Don’t you have a dedicated hardcore gaming setup for your idle games xD

[acoustic jetty]

Optimization isn’t as simple as most people think

[acoustic jetty]

[acoustic jetty]

By a massive number of hours

Without autoloot most people crash in under half an hour. With autoloot? Not until your bags fill

[acoustic jetty]

Can you stop suggesting this? The entire reason the conversation is happening is to accommodate free to play players with the auto-loot feature; your repeated suggestions for an additional paid feature should be in a different thread. This thread is for finding a solution to help FREE TO PLAY PLAYERS

[acoustic jetty]

I think you missed the mark here, more like “ your eating a hot dog, and then halfway through the dog disappears and it’s an empty bun with condiments”

[acoustic jetty]

A really bad one

[acoustic jetty]

Just check my fix to his poor analogy

[acoustic jetty]

It’s a hot topic

[acoustic jetty]

False. We don’t need any change if the new tier is just going to be paid anyway

[vagrant inlet]

Dude is really replying to everything

[acoustic jetty]

🤦‍♂️ just…. Please cease and desist

[acoustic jetty]

It’s a VERY passionate subject

[acoustic jetty]

Also false

[acoustic jetty]

Facts

[dawn vector]

Brother did you just reply to an entire conversation you weren't a part of

[delicate pebble]

whatsapp group chat vibes

[acoustic jetty]

The almighty lava is perfect, non-biased, and infallible. Watch yourself sir

[acoustic jetty]

You bet your ass I am

Sir I have been on this thread from day 1, where have you been xD

[acoustic jetty]

Very accurate

I’d like to think I’m a large part of why this has gotten to this many replies.

It’s starting to be a trend, im the current record holder for most downvoted suggestion soooo

I apparently carry controversy with my wherever I go

[urban gyro]

It costs 5 dollars.

[delicate pebble]

I mean it's cost is largely irrelevant

even if it was 1 dollar this post would still exist

alot people don't even have an online payment method (hence why they chose a f2p game in the first place)

I might make a summary for the potential alternatives and make that the end of the convo so lava can see it

[scarlet basalt]

Already proven before how the cost argument is just ridiculous to use. And besides there's a really good solution for everybody going around here

[delicate pebble]

1- Worse F2P autoloot + Better Paid Autoloot (options for better include : an added auto deposit , some sort of gift or compensation)

2- Gem Shop Autoloot (instead of having it cost 5 Dollars make it cost and equivalent sum or more in the gem shop [so like 600-2000 gems]

3- Watch a certain number of ads at once to unlock autoloot (maybe 50-100 ads) [i mean if ads removal was to make the game feel less predatory only to put out a much more predatory option then maybe limited ads in one place arent evil] {the way home is a great example of this method}

4- Altering the Loot Filter to adjust for coins (as an added bonus can we have be that it could filter a minimum value of coins [like all plat coins vanish but void coins do still drop])

5-something to do with achievements and the 1st alternative

6- honestly any alternative that makes it so the game wouldnt crash in 30 minutes and run at 2 fps in 3 minutes would work (whatever lava implements would be fine)
.

wah

[rigid tide]

and pinging everyone

[rigid tide]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-damon-gant-ok-and-stare-gif-22626017

[ruby willow]

This, I remember when I had an allowance but couldn't buy games because of not having a credit card. (Right now I relied on gift cards to buy autoloot) since this game is rated for everyone I'm sure there are people in similar situations.

[native lance]

Just ask daddys card

[delicate pebble]

1- a rather large chunk of people dont use credit cards here
2- parents probably wouldnt think its safe to purchase someone from a game

honestly you really just take everything for granted

[native lance]

No, but you want to take autoloot for granted 💀

5$ or riot 🦀

[delicate pebble]

i think i made the "f2p game" point more than enough times this is just repetition

[native lance]

It is free to play, not free to autoloot though

Just accept the fact

[queen lantern]

Rimuru genuinely seems like the problem here....

everyone else seems to be pretty level headed about everything, but he is just stonewalling everything

[strong cypress]

This thread has gone on long enough and at this point is derailing other Feedback conversations just to regurgitated the same debates.

Let me say some things real quick so I can get back to work:

• IdleOn has no ads. This will forever put it as more "free to play" friendly than almost every other f2p game with ads. I'm very happy to see so many people appreciate this fact -- this doesn't mean the game is "free", duh, I do have ad budgets to meet in order to continue growing the game, but it does mean the game is f2p friendly, we all know it is.

• While there are genuine points brought up about why it could be free, a vast majority of them are just talkin' for the sake of getting free stuff. If I made auto loot free, they would just go on to complain about something else that "should be free". I've given so much free stuff in this game, and I've seen time after time people just take it, not appreciate it, and ask for more free stuff. Many people are not like this, so don't take this personally if it doesn't describe you, I think we all know the kind of person I'm referring to here. And, just for the more fragile "angry gamers" out there who weaponize every little thing I say in order to try and silence me, I'm of course not throwing shade at genuine discussion about this; I'm just making my own observations as someone who's made games professionally for almost 5 years. IdleOn is my job, and I believe $5 is a very fair asking price especially for something as "not necessary" as Auto Loot. People get to say their opinions (1431 comments!), and so do I.

• Auto loot being the only "real money purchase" is one of the more generous things I could do in my situation. Here's some things that **other games **would have made their "mandatory purchase" if they were in charge of IdleOn:

1. Special character classes (Jman, Maestro, etc)
2. More Character slots (cap at 5, 6+ costs $$)
3. **AFK gains cap at 10 hours, $$ to raise the limit (you KNOW other idle games are out there doing that) **