midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[minor scroll]

16% dr keychains 👀

[somber depot]

How about 80 dr

[mossy anvil]

Accuracy keychains>dr ones

[strange prism]

[minor scroll]

dang

[strange prism]

shouldnt be much of a difference tbh

[somber depot]

What the flip

[mossy anvil]

Solid FIVE flat vs some %

[minor scroll]

fomo chains

[somber depot]

18% how

[somber depot]

Ah

Bloody adults

[true hamlet]

Did you grab the respawns too?

[somber depot]

How does it feel having disposable income : (

[strange prism]

no unfortunately

[west pilot]

i mean you can set up hourly if lazy

[strange prism]

my respawns are only 10%

[west pilot]

leave 1 gs first then the other stack

first stack gets filled

[junior anvil]

Poetic is amarok really better than say like plat armor

And so on

[west pilot]

so you can kinda do the stacks passive

[somber depot]

It's cheaper to make and has similar stats as well as having passives so yup

[strange prism]

due to gear sets, you're making everything

[somber depot]

That too

Although he'll have to wait a month before he can have them passive

And that's post W3 iirc

[junior anvil]

Im on w4 and I already made plat

[mossy anvil]

Or

[strange prism]

finally got my last 2 opol rings, never have to go to dungeon map again

[dense fable]

🐋

[somber depot]

Whale noh

[compact pagoda]

emp opol whwn

i forget name 😔
( don't stake me chat)

[true hamlet]

Waiting for dungeon expansion in w7

[west pilot]

time to do cards

[true hamlet]

I want my t4 keychains

[somber depot]

HOW DARE YOU NOT REMEMVER DEMENTED EMPEROR OPALS

[strange prism]

why in the world would I farm dungeon cards

[compact pagoda]

where's urs

[somber depot]

Bucko accept it, that shit isn't coming

[west pilot]

flex

[somber depot]

I unfortunatelty only have 5

[strange prism]

na

[west pilot]

better gamer

[strange prism]

only reason you farm dungeon cards is cause you care about tome - ill pass

[true hamlet]

Don't you get like 80-90k fulrbos per 40x run smh

Where the demented opals at

[strange prism]

idk havent done a dungeon run in months

[somber depot]

To show you are superior in this eternal dih length competition

[compact pagoda]

40

[somber depot]

Me when I fucking suck
(I'm joking idk if that's good or not)

[strange prism]

I got my rings from doing random events

[compact pagoda]

why would u suck

[somber depot]

[compact pagoda]

i mean u can phrase that differently

[somber depot]

[true hamlet]

True, I probably got enough flurbos from killing ice guard daily for medallion to get a full opal set smh

[strange prism]

I have ~1k dungeon tickets just chillin rn

if he adds a w7 dungeon I might run it, but im pretty sure he's already said hes done with dungeon stuffs

[mellow cedar]

ok so I did that... but every 1 hour candy is melting only 20 million bars...

I mean ores

[somber depot]

[dense fable]

how many ores fit in your furnace? in a slot

[somber depot]

What's your forgecap? And you're doing this at gmsuh right?

[mellow cedar]

582121

[mellow cedar]

yes gmush

[somber depot]

Never thought I'd actually see someone using oil

[true hamlet]

I like the idea of the best gear coming from random parts of the game (like demented emp opal from miniboss and dungeons)

[dense fable]

you need this

[strange prism]

thats an issue of forge cap and hourly kills

you smelt x amount of bars based off x amount of kills

[minor scroll]

massiv

[mellow cedar]

alright I'll hve to refund some points

[strange prism]

yea im not against it, so long as the dungeon isnt buggy

[true hamlet]

W2 dungeon 2.0

[somber depot]

In all of the games different armour the best one definetely has to be the gold armour from W2 collo

[compact pagoda]

show engi while ur at it

[somber depot]

Oh buddy

When will dungeon never be buggy?

[dense fable]

which one is engi

[somber depot]

Engineer

[compact pagoda]

engineer

[minor scroll]

plat leggings from w3 colo

[strange prism]

w1/3 are fine. w2 just doesnt work

[dense fable]

which buff from engi

[true hamlet]

Not even 200m smh

[somber depot]

You get it 🥹

[dense fable]

it was enough for some bars for me

[somber depot]

1050m when?

[true hamlet]

Thought everyone has around 200-300m forge cap

[strange prism]

stupid arcade : (

[true hamlet]

And the guy with exalt has 500m

[somber depot]

So

[compact pagoda]

just show 25 and above

[strange prism]

youd need this or an absurd stamp for 400m+

[mellow cedar]

ok now forge cap seems infinite... I keep storing and it doesn't stop
I have stored 35m rn

let's seee

[minor scroll]

how abt new gaming bonus for forge

3x forge cap

[mellow cedar]

wow +2b ores melted with 1 candy

[somber depot]

Pathetic mine solos

[somber depot]

???

"Now try candy"

[mellow cedar]

omg I just realized with this method I can actually get level 13 bar vials...

[compact pagoda]

time to greenstack bars

[mellow cedar]

this is awesome

[minor scroll]

do the iron first

and copper too

[strange prism]

maybe for copper/iron... dread and gs a lil different

[somber depot]

Souls?

[mellow cedar]

anything below marble glass is gonna be piece of cake...

marble glass can't be candied and red star thing and god shard are hard to get
the rest are easy

[mellow cedar]

idk I'm not there yet
now that I can get godshard pieces I can upgrade skulls and maybe get closer to level 13 soul vials

but I don't see that happening anytime soon

mainly because I'm lazy

[dense fable]

if you can push tower defense to 140+ your souls go crazy ( 1050M in a click )

[mellow cedar]

I should be able to
most of my towers are level 90

[somber depot]

Optimal for lvl 46?

[mellow cedar]

heavy doubt... actually terrible

you have wasted 5 points on like 0.00001% xp gain

[dense fable]

same, I am at lvl 90 towers too

it's your time to push

[mellow cedar]

no exttra strings no extra rubbies no maxed study rate... kinda horrible choices

[somber depot]

Eh fine

[mellow cedar]

I'm too lazy XD

[strange prism]

not really

[dense fable]

I was lazy too, but look at this :
I'm gonna extract some souls with my DK

no more struggle in life, the push was worth it

[mellow cedar]

woooooooooooooooooooow

THAT'S INSANE!!!!!

[strange prism]

dont forget soul food

[dense fable]

ye, put on that too

[mellow cedar]

17b from 3500 charges.. I get like 100m from that amount of charge

[dense fable]

and this is all the souls
so push the tower defenses

[mellow cedar]

fair fair I should do that

[somber depot]

Better?

[strange prism]

no food vs soul food

[strange prism]

yea

[minor scroll]

240 gublin when

[somber depot]

I should probably do this

[strange prism]

are you a no auto loot enjoyer

[somber depot]

Yeah I should do td again

[minor scroll]

they have doot, so prob no

[strange prism]

could be f2p and have doot

look at jiof

[minor scroll]

yae, prob

[strange prism]

mostly basing it off the D R

[dense fable]

I opened on my first day of playing Golem pet from free roll

anything is possible

[west lake]

i continue to be the dumbest idleon player, I've been going for shinies, but I wasn't used the gene splices at all, 😭

so many eggs thrown to the wind lmao

[somber depot]

I can defo do 200 with these lvls

[strange prism]

gonna assume yes

[somber depot]

I do have autoloot

[dense fable]

game told me : go to pets, click roll
got a golem, saw 10x my dmg
I guessed this is most common stuff in this game

[mellow cedar]

much much better

[somber depot]

Yup that's me : )

[royal garden]

need atom too, 200 require 3+4+2 krakens setup or 4+3+?

180 is ez

[prisma ocean]

Autoloot= no f2p

[minor scroll]

whoa no autoloot

[dense fable]

without autoloot I would go insane

[strange prism]

200 isnt impossible for w1-4 but 5 n 6 are kinda pain

[somber depot]

I think you should work on your collection

[strange prism]

I got smacked by w6

[prisma ocean]

@grave spindle

[strange prism]

auto loot is f2p+

[dense fable]

https://tenor.com/view/ainsley-harriott-spicy-oil-meat-gif-10347709480541549189

[somber depot]

1. My sister bought it for me as a birthday gift
2. It's 5 bucks and only picks up things, it's QoL at best

[dense fable]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-whale-sharks-gif-26141120

[minor scroll]

watchout for a riptide

[strange prism]

cooked

[dense fable]

lava didn't let it to happen for money

[prisma ocean]

Still no f2p

[somber depot]

With the power of the almighty credit/debit card

[somber depot]

WHALE SHARK MY BELOVED

[strange prism]

meh first page maybe, second page of companions are really easy to get

[somber depot]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-floppy-hornet-slap-nuu-gif-11086988873395759079

[dense fable]

this was 40$
I bought two animal packs, got some green gems, opened Doot, Doot got me everything I was missing

[strange prism]

ofc exclusives are p2w tho

[dense fable]

I think I got 9 pets for a doot

[strange prism]

geezus

[dense fable]

all the purple and yellow name ones

[somber depot]

You see I slaved away for my Doot unlike you (I got him like mid W3 through sheer luck so basically I have nothing to complain about)

[dense fable]

also prepared for next pet set

[somber depot]

[dense fable]

gray balls?

[somber depot]

89

[dense fable]

[somber depot]

Soon it'll min starfire

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor

[strange prism]

why does AC have to be this way

[dense fable]

do you get something for that?

[somber depot]

My ego gets stroked

That's about it

[dense fable]

[strange prism]

until someone comes in and goes "full GS when "

[somber depot]

RUB MY BELLEH

[somber depot]

So I cutely end my life

[dense fable]

until someone comes in and says, Greenstack Gems when

[strange prism]

as they sit hard stuck w4 with 2 gems

[dense fable]

is this hard to do? I never played much on SB active

[somber depot]

Heh

[strange prism]

hard - no
time consuming - yes

[royal garden]

very slow

[dense fable]

aprox time you would say?

[strange prism]

up to 2 months of constant farming

[dense fable]

ah, then I will just do it with Masterclass SB

[somber depot]

"Is this hard to do?" Have you ever played a mind numbing simulator before? Yeah that's just it but you wait for like 3-4 months

[strange prism]

theres a chance he disables plunderous for MC cause its a DR multi

[somber depot]

[dense fable]

I mean, with some new skills maybe the active farming will be faster too

[royal garden]

more than 2mo, sb don't have true map size AOE, i'm at 177k pirate progress after more than 2months of sb main

[somber depot]

Yknow just a thought, lava should probably focus on these again

[strange prism]

ofc theres always a possibility he doesnt as well

[dense fable]

just like for AC the purple skulls

[strange prism]

must be on the wrong map

you average ~8-900/hr at citringes

[somber depot]

Citrus thingies right?

[dense fable]

true, will we just insta-unlock everything for W7?

[strange prism]

true

you cant click them

[royal garden]

i haven't grinded pirate kills, 177k is from months of sb main active

[strange prism]

wdym

[grave spindle]

Hell nah

[strange prism]

you can stop at 100k, some say 300k and a mil is only if youre min maxing DR

[royal garden]

1% damage don't worth time investment in teh pirate, unless you going for something bigger like 100% achiev, etc

[somber depot]

Now when are you gonna get to e100?

[strange prism]

its not for damage lmao

[somber depot]

Damage is damage

Besides it's for the achievement and for DR mainly

[west pilot]

You do It for the dr

Not the achievement

[sacred veldt]

99% for dr, the other 1% are for the achivement hunter (Why)

[strange prism]

the people sitting at 2-3m plunderous

[vernal hinge]

When you use eggs and its full do you get more cycles?

[vernal hinge]

who even uses SB for something that isn't rift

[minor scroll]

almost 10M

[dense fable]

I am at 192 Greenstacks, what should I do next
greenstack statues?

[vernal hinge]

have you gstacked shop items?

[dense fable]

well, I can't do anything about that

stuff like 5000 /day in the shop

[west pilot]

early mob mats¿

[vernal hinge]

w6,w5 shop items

[minor scroll]

quest items?

[dense fable]

is Quest items faster than statues?

[west pilot]

you should not need those

can you show first pages of storage on mini?

[dense fable]

ah actually 194 with those two bars smelted

with some 20 minutes traps can I greenstack shiny ?

[minor scroll]

why 2 stacks of w6 ldaves

[dense fable]

mistake

[minor scroll]

hard

[strange prism]

you can hit 230-40 before going for statues

also free up that space

[west pilot]

next page?

[dense fable]

can I get leaves fast on trees ? or only Crystal mobs drop a lot?

[minor scroll]

candy oak logs? idk

[strange prism]

crystal moment

[minor scroll]

smithing and boop from vman print

[west pilot]

so marbi/gs/pipe for now

[dense fable]

ah ye there is one smithing

[west pilot]

next page lmao

[strange prism]

emp hat?

[minor scroll]

nothing easy on this page

[west pilot]

okay so, that's 195, with those three, what about food/pots page

[dense fable]

crafted for WW but not enough lvl to equip it

[strange prism]

these are fairly easy but time gated

[dense fable]

can I farm missing potions from mobs?

[strange prism]

the missing pots are from crystals

[west pilot]

kebab/pie + some pots are easy from crystals

[strange prism]

theres 3 pots that are specific w3 mobs, but I wouldnt stress those rn

[reef moon]

hmmm is DK or DB better for kilroy warr

[minor scroll]

dk

[west pilot]

depends on map

[strange prism]

then theres the cratables

[dense fable]

oh right, bullets and foods

[reef moon]

how to know wich map it is tho?

[west pilot]

yeah you can do craft gs/marbi, pipe, kebab, pie or pots

[strange prism]

technically these are well - but na

[west pilot]

whatever you feel like

gs marbi crafts are proly the fastests ones with pipe

[dense fable]

where do I get lots of those pots

[strange prism]

next thing would be quest items

[dense fable]

ah I think I am farming it right now 🥹

[minor scroll]

the gstack pot is easier for u than this

[strange prism]

definitely

its just dk crystal farming, most gstacks are tbh

[west pilot]

you can proly do leaves there and a few pots

[mossy anvil]

Make sure those are not filtered out before u start farming

[strange prism]

some stones as well from DK farming

[dense fable]

got it, I will just active beans for a few days and will get enough of everything

[strange prism]

w1-6 all drop gstacks, should give you something to do till w7

[minor scroll]

how abt print boop mats

[dense fable]

W7 release will be a easy lifehacks for new people to reach 200 gtsack

[minor scroll]

speedrun with vman

[dense fable]

oh okay

[strange prism]

[strange prism]

na the odds of someone being able to push w7 without having 200 gstacks is unlikely

[dense fable]

I could push to W7 right now and I don't have 200 gstacks

I killed W7 boss when I had like 140 gstacks

[west pilot]

bro people can already push to w6 in like a week

[minor scroll]

i could prob push w7 rn with under 100 gstack

[vernal hinge]

i remember that quest... i had been killing them daily FOR ALMOST 2 MONTHS i had 720 of those....
It was the last day AND A FUCKING GIANT MOB APPEARED AND GAVE ME 3 THOUSAND

[vernal hinge]

Just wait

[strange prism]

you can push to w6 in ~2 weeks, but youre not completely clearing w6 in that time without whaling

[vernal hinge]

that is just zuiq

[west pilot]

?

that's like opposite of zuiq

[minor scroll]

or any w5 players that waiting for w6

[west pilot]

zuiq would take 3 years to get to w6

[dense fable]

that's true, but in some weeks with bleeding blood push ( every char pushing like crazy in W6 + using candies ) they can open W7 portal

[vernal hinge]

I mean zuiq could breeze to w6 easily but w5 has so many things

[vernal hinge]

you can use candies in w6?

[west pilot]

yeah but i mean push to w6 on literally that time

from start w1 to w6

[strange prism]

ig I shouldve said

• anyone not neglecting wouldnt be able to push to w7 before 200 gstacks

[dense fable]

when W7 releases

[west pilot]

nah

[vernal hinge]

ohh so that's how it works? you can't use candies till next world??

[dense fable]

ye

[west pilot]

also with candies it will be even easier

[strange prism]

just not how that works lmao

[west pilot]

vault made pushing mad easy to push

[strange prism]

you have to own the candies required to clear w6 at 2k/hr, new to w6 players wont have that

[west pilot]

proly can do to w7 in like a month

[vernal hinge]

vault helped me tremendously to get to w4 on w4 i got cooked by acc and dmg i had to actually play the game and i did something i never did before for w5 i just candied the mobs

[cosmic cairn]

hey anyone knows if Rift is afk-able for CHOW's and WOW's?

[west pilot]

it is

[mint ravine]

what do i need for the 180 orb kills rift

like high orb talent or big boomerang

[west pilot]

orb, statue and boomerang

[mint ravine]

abt what lvl

[west pilot]

you can add some speed pots if you want

max you can get from books

[mint ravine]

i get like 155 rn

not at the summoning or sailing

also is max books worth it?

[west pilot]

place statue at the bottom

[reef moon]

nullo salt is gonna be the end of me -.-

[west pilot]

Then here you can spam boomerang

That should be easy

[mint ravine]

are there rift guides?

[west pilot]

Ehhh i doubt, but there's not really much to it

Decent talent lvls and dmg

That's it

[mint ravine]

well i can easily one shot these guys, i dont neglect rift

[west pilot]

Then just do this

[mint ravine]

yeh

[west pilot]

Statue on bottom, respawn talent and boomerang there

That should clear all

[mossy anvil]

Better start stacking it early, u need around 10k per set

[reef moon]

yea i need like 1300 more to finish diabolical set then a crap load for troll set

idk if i should just put all my refinerys to auto refine till i get enough salt

[strange prism]

auto refine kills your salts, the opposite of what you want

[brittle pebble]

never do that

[reef moon]

ye im aware of that i made that mistake in the begining now im trying to obtain salts just by ranking it up

but at the current rate im guessing it will take me aprox a month to get enough salts

[tribal glacier]

how does this work?

[woeful karma]

question
would active exp farming be better on flombs or clammies for a DK?

[stuck reef]

Question : I have 'built" the Wizard tower thing in the construction table, but i dont see it like I see the 3d printer on that screen. Same for the thing next to printer (i paid the construction build rate, but see nothing). Also, my quest for doing a wiz tower isnt completed.

[reef moon]

click on the wiz tower again

[stuck reef]

where is it?

[tribal glacier]

building it does nothing, only upgrading it with recources

[reef moon]

click on that

[sinful rain]

Is my death note multi kill thing working if I don't see "multi kill" in afk info?

[woeful karma]

yes

[tribal glacier]

no

[stuck reef]

its now called pulse mage

[woeful karma]

it's working in the sense that it exists

[tribal glacier]

rage bait

[sinful rain]

How do I make it work on my characters?

[reef moon]

when that finishes you press build and youl have the wizard tower

[tribal glacier]

get more dmg

[woeful karma]

but as death note explained you need to get to the first/second dmg tier for you to actually get any tangible MK from it

you don't have enough dmg atm to register it as 2x 3x 4x etc etc

[stuck reef]

same with that?&

[mint ravine]

yeah u need at least 2x dmg on it to activate

[reef moon]

yes same thing

[mint ravine]

2x dmg than health of the enemy ur fighting

that activates it giving multikill

[tribal glacier]

you need to at least 1 shot the mobs on the mobs with 50% extra dmg so it activates

[reef moon]

when you go into afk info if you have enough dmg it will show that instead of accuracy

[woeful karma]

I was typing the follow up lmao

[tribal glacier]

we all know he meant if its active on the current map

[reef moon]

you need 520K dmg to hit 1st tier

then 1.1M aprox for next tier

2.4M for next etc

[sinful rain]

Okay thank you

[tribal glacier]

get about 400k dmg (max dmg, minimum dmg does not matter)

[reef moon]

go onto gmushrooms and open that info

[woeful karma]

yes
if he has the death note built
it is indeed working in the sense that it exists
however you need to get enough damage in order to actually get the multikill% like I said

[tribal glacier]

double? i thought 150%

[reef moon]

from what i can see its 2x atleast for me as 384B times 2 is 768B how much i need to hit next tier on the map im on

if it was 150% tier would be closer

now mind you my deathnote isnt max upgraded

[stuck reef]

I do have the quest completed for wiz tower, but idk where it is 😛

[reef moon]

those towers are for the tower defense

and only used in that

[stuck reef]

ok i see thanks

[vernal hinge]

Zuiq are you almost w5? what more do you need

[robust marsh]

Hello luck

[vernal hinge]

Hello Yash

[robust marsh]

It's ok if you leave the stuff in ()

[compact pagoda]

me when i leave my stuff for 2 seconds

[robust marsh]

hello nubby

why cahange the cat pic

[compact pagoda]

even god dosen't want me to farm shinies

[compact pagoda]

this is e cat

[robust marsh]

not the cat it was before

[compact pagoda]

there happy now

[robust marsh]

yay

[balmy crystal]

(put on some glasses )

[compact pagoda]

thats a archer this is a mage

we are not the same

[balmy crystal]

I don't play ac

[compact pagoda]

u mean rhe vid magically appeared

[compact pagoda]

what u doin

[robust marsh]

random stuff

[balmy crystal]

Saw someone begging for help in bug-reports, made a vid of his misfortune

[compact pagoda]

lol

[stuck reef]

what should i be 3d printing?

[balmy crystal]

DK-ores, db-fish, sb-flies, bubo and es-logs, ww and vman-monster mat

[robust marsh]

pincerman is not a good map for killoroy

[balmy crystal]

Print in a speedrun with vman after killing as many bosses and using multikill talent

It's meh

[stuck reef]

so many words i dont understand yet lol

[dense fable]

if a class has talents for a skill, he should print the material he is good at

Wisdom characters print logs as example

[stuck reef]

ok so my barbarian should be gettting fishes

[dense fable]

Barbarian fish
Squire Mining stuff
mages woods
Archers bugs

[balmy crystal]

The exception being beast master, he prints monster mat

[dense fable]

your hunter ( the trapper guy ) prints monster materials, because he has no buff for a skill

example :@stuck reef

they are printing their specialized jobs

[stuck reef]

saving it

thanks

[mint ravine]

what are sources of printer multi

[dense fable]

think like this : What is the character good for when you collect materials, that is their printing goal too

[dense fable]

W4 lab and W5 god

[mint ravine]

thats it?

do they stack or add

[dense fable]

ah and also :

DK skill
a Pet
WW talent

[mint ravine]

ah

[dense fable]

I am not sure about that
if you have Lab and God in the same time, you get 7x what is shown there

the printer won't show you the final number, all the bonuses are hidden

so if you see on my pic 100B

that is increased 7x from lab +God
and from other bonuses left side

[mint ravine]

yea

[dense fable]

the final product beeing over 1000B

[mint ravine]

very big

[dense fable]

ah and sailing is bonus too, this ( artifact )

[mint ravine]

that one is for base sampling right\

[tribal glacier]

how does that work?

i accepted it and it said i was bad?

[compact pagoda]

its a kid

what do u expect

[dense fable]

I am not sure how the numbers goes, I just enjoy storage beeing full

[dense fable]

for first time it's tricky that minigame

you gotta learn npc behaviours

[tribal glacier]

am i not skibidi? 😔

[mint ravine]

no if u dont accept

[brittle pebble]

you approved it so you should be skibidi

[tribal glacier]

but i died

[robust marsh]

i noticed that emporer dont drop cards after killing him bunch of times what is the reason

[signal wave]

I have a dumb question, does the anvil thingy in W3 mean once you've completed a set you get the set effect regardless of wearing it?

[mint ravine]

yes

[signal wave]

Neat :3

[mint ravine]

very good

[robust marsh]

yes

[dense fable]

I think it's just random DR

[mint ravine]

75% total dmg from lustre

[robust marsh]

i been unlucky for more than 10 fights then

[dense fable]

yes, so focus it

can't relate

[mint ravine]

hmm

[brittle pebble]

how does this achievement work ?

[mint ravine]

do the gp quests

[brittle pebble]

stuck on 2450 for multiple months now

[mint ravine]

and get up to 3k

hm, are you playing on steam?

[brittle pebble]

yes

[mint ravine]

have you been claming it

[brittle pebble]

i alway collect them but it never counts

[mint ravine]

i mean idk

[strange prism]

are you at 3k in the guild display

[strange prism]

hmm thats odd

[mint ravine]

spaghetti code

[strange prism]

might have to close game and verify game files

[signal wave]

I did notice it didn't count all of the gp I collected in the guild display, but it count it for a "claim guild points" task, which is odd

[minor scroll]

#1084911530417606656 search "guild"

everyone got this same problem

[mint ravine]

thanks

[brittle pebble]

ty, got it

[vernal hinge]

he hungry

is this the miniboss thing?

[strange prism]

yes

[vernal hinge]

And how does it work or activate?

[strange prism]

kill all trolls before any respawn, and walk to the cross

[vernal hinge]

I need a bit more dmg, thank god it's not like insta activated because it still has too much hp for me

[strange prism]

great times

[mossy anvil]

It would recover to full before next attempt tho

[vernal hinge]

2 Questions

1. What do magic beans do? From the legumulyte found deep in the forest.
2. If i do give him all my crops to i lose the bonuses from the pen guy?

[uneven obsidian]

beans are used in the night market to buy upgrades
no you dont loose those bonuses

[vernal hinge]

Thx

Also how can i get more crop evo? Db isn't as helpful after the 4th crop

[uneven obsidian]

land rank, night market and meals are the biggest sources of it

theres a bunch of other bonuses to it from other sources as well

[vernal hinge]

So basically just get more crops till i unlock those things?

[uneven obsidian]

yeah

[vernal hinge]

summoning is also doing very well

[uneven obsidian]

make sure to check if you can manage the summoning bosses, i dont recall what hp they start at tho

[vernal hinge]

the lowest one i saw was 500k but with the increasing mana costs idk if i cant beat even that one the others have millions

Nice i got crop evo and dmg from summoning

basically doubled my dmg

[uneven obsidian]

have you dont any of the summoning bosses ?

[silver talon]

Rate my setup boiz

[vernal hinge]

why are the other party startes so far? and i think you should put boulder a bit further back and more boulders

[vernal hinge]

Nope, still don't have enough things

[silver talon]

They're damage parties, not range parties

right thunder is crit, left is damage

[vernal hinge]

how to get more inventory

[silver talon]

Honestly the only issue I've had so far is putting the eyes too close to the front lol

[candid creek]

Is it what the guide says? If yes then W

[candid creek]

You don't, it only counts the best one

[silver talon]

I generally don't use guides :)

[candid creek]

Delete everything but the best one, click on one and it'll say it doesn't stack

[vernal hinge]

really? i tought all counted

[ashen steppe]

enable trash useless items twin

[candid creek]

Exactly

[vernal hinge]

i thought it meant the item DOESNT stack

[candid creek]

It says on the items lmao

[candid creek]

You're stupid, none of the sneaking items stack already

[ashen steppe]

luck have u unlocked og yet

[candid creek]

Why would specifically golden ones say that but no others lol

[vernal hinge]

This?

[ashen steppe]

no

[vernal hinge]

Woops

[ashen steppe]

in the night market tab

[candid creek]

OG is overgrowth, first one on the second tab

[vernal hinge]

Then no

[ashen steppe]

tbf my farming is also chopped af

[candid creek]

Real

[vernal hinge]

I was maxing out everything while moving crops but the bonuses are good

[ashen steppe]

summoning is really easy to complete tho

[vernal hinge]

Like i got max strawberry multi crop chance then bananas, and like that

[ashen steppe]

once u get like purple it kinda steamrolls

[vernal hinge]

Just a bit of time

[ashen steppe]

it doesnt even take that long

[vernal hinge]

I feel it's after yellow because yelow is when you already have a few summoning levels so getting yellow then blue then purple and red is easy and you also unlock duplicates and extra mana regen twice

[vernal hinge]

just a bit at the start

[ashen steppe]

nah purple is op cause of the mana generation per unit placed

[candid creek]

Nah it was cyan for me

[ashen steppe]

u probably need cyan to finish all the stones

[candid creek]

Cause once you get cyan you get every battle done and start infinite

[vernal hinge]

For me it was yellow, Blue is very good too specially because tonka tanks so much, And purple is helpful when rng isn't good with me, And i fucking hate regalis, It's so expensive and so bad has made me loose 4 times

[candid creek]

Regalis is great for the bosses lowkey

[ashen steppe]

u havent gotten the last 2 yet 🙏

[candid creek]

Yeah plus this you're missing red and cyan

[vernal hinge]

About to get red

[candid creek]

I would rush to those imo that's what I did

[ashen steppe]

sparky is so broken tbh

[candid creek]

Rush through red to cyan, then you've started the infinite

[vernal hinge]

by cyan i thought you meant blue LMAO didn't know there were 2

[ashen steppe]

sparky carries bro

[vernal hinge]

But in normal sumoning it's not really that good, the price is bad specially if you don't have that much generation at the moment

[ashen steppe]

sometimes u cant win some battles without being lucky with pulling bloomies or sparkies

[vernal hinge]

Its pure rng for me

first look at mine

[uneven obsidian]

saprkies are great, but dodging sparkies can be annoying

[ashen steppe]

true

[vernal hinge]

now the others

Pure rng

[ashen steppe]

they do a lot more damage than others even if they dodge tho dont they

[uneven obsidian]

will get a lot easier once you unlock red

[vernal hinge]

I haven't gotten a single 5th evo yet

[uneven obsidian]

this help pushing summoning

[ashen steppe]

oh yeah

[uneven obsidian]

unless you get a 1hp fight -_-'

[vernal hinge]

I usually let my mana regen until i only have like 1-2 hp left after that i send everything out

[ashen steppe]

yeah u will do the same anyhow when u get seeing red

[vernal hinge]

as soon as i can get to mine motherlode 100% on mage Dk is gonna be broken

[fresh parrot]

that can be spammed sparkies

[uneven obsidian]

i know, i meant that the seeing red upgrade doesnt help you with 1hp waves

[ashen steppe]

ur stats cant be too far apart from the enemies tho

[vernal hinge]

and it still doesn't want to drop

[ashen steppe]

why does 1 say 3 days to get there

[fresh parrot]

guys how to get more

[vernal hinge]

it needs w1 materials, uhh i don't care about that guy

[vernal hinge]

No bravery? 🤣

[fresh parrot]

I'm nub sadly

[ashen steppe]

do i need to watch a justice tutorial btw 💀

[fresh parrot]

use the cheatsheet you'll be all good

[ashen steppe]

aight 🙏

[vernal hinge]

im not risking my first plat egg💔

[ashen steppe]

is that in w5 pinned

[ashen steppe]

farm genes then...

[vernal hinge]

Imma do that while i get some bones on DB

T5 already

[ashen steppe]

have u gotten afk bones unlocked?

[uneven obsidian]

#1347488472272998471 message

[ashen steppe]

thx 🙏

[vernal hinge]

Just have 50

[candid creek]

The first one just isn't cyan at all tho???

[ashen steppe]

how u gonna farm genes then twin

[fresh parrot]

nvm fixed it, just did like my first bravery run ty

[vernal hinge]

You need bones for genes?

[candid creek]

Then spam everything

[ashen steppe]

u need to afk for genes

[vernal hinge]

Yeah but i thought maybe you guys call them like that

[candid creek]

You can afk on not-DB mode????

[vernal hinge]

a few more and you get more

[candid creek]

No?!?

[candid creek]

No I meant, why

[vernal hinge]

But you asked if i have afk bones???

[ashen steppe]

did u read what he said bro

[candid creek]

Why would you afk in DB mode and not normal mode

[vernal hinge]

You don't know how dumb people are sometimes over here

[ashen steppe]

oh sorry i missunderstood

[candid creek]

Ohhhh

[uneven obsidian]

cuz not everyone know you can get the bones out of db form

[candid creek]

No you are dumb

[ashen steppe]

i thought u meant use db to farm bones and genes at the same time

[vernal hinge]

Lmao no, farm bones and leave ES to get genes

[ashen steppe]

but i think u meant someone else farming genes while db famring bones

[candid creek]

You said you'd farm genes while getting bones on DB right?

[candid creek]

You didn't specify tho smh

[vernal hinge]

Yep

[vernal hinge]

Yeah?

[fresh parrot]

confusing ahh chat

[ashen steppe]

😭 🙏

[vernal hinge]

That implies im getting genes on another char

[candid creek]

You don't understand the English

[candid creek]

No, it absolutely doesn't lmao

[vernal hinge]

No fish n chips😭 ?

[candid creek]

Let's move past because I don't think you're realising what you did

[vernal hinge]

It does

[vernal hinge]

Fine, But it does

Did shadow ever come back after leaving and coming back 1840 times?

[candid creek]

No probably not

Maxed @fresh parrot

Still doesn't make that huge of a difference I swear

[fresh parrot]

what

maxed what, oh the prayer congrats

[candid creek]

I didn't max you out

[fresh parrot]

yeah

no way you would lol

[candid creek]

Meanie

[fresh parrot]

or well could actually

[candid creek]

You would never give me your account plus many things are infinite

[fresh parrot]

nah I mean the reasonable thing

[minor scroll]

7500 gems to max u

[fresh parrot]

I have given my account in other games to someone

[fresh parrot]

wow ashley you think I'm that cheap huh :<

[minor scroll]

paying to let them farm for u?

[candid creek]

Like, max reasonable things? Damn

[minor scroll]

thats expensive af

[fresh parrot]

no just

[candid creek]

I'm happy you think I'd have that ability, as I can't even do that to my own account

[fresh parrot]

for convience, sometimes doing my dailies when I'm not feeling like it etc

or just randomly checking acc, I have his acc too

[minor scroll]

trusting eachother alot

[fresh parrot]

very yes

besto friendo

[minor scroll]

irl frienda?

[candid creek]

Imagine having those ong!!!

[minor scroll]

everyone has, but not u

[candid creek]

Lies

[minor scroll]

i told the truth

[candid creek]

Nah

[minor scroll]

mad cuz bad

[fresh parrot]

nope never seen or heard him

[candid creek]

OH MY FUCKING GOD

[minor scroll]

really trustworthy dam

[stoic robin]

Will i die before finishing world 6?

[candid creek]

THIS IS 6 HOURS OF AFKING NYA NYA

[minor scroll]

equip food and get defence up

[candid creek]

IT'S THE GOD BREAKER THING

[candid creek]

I think they meant irl

[candid creek]

Yes, we've all died here

[fresh parrot]

the gs weapons are generally okayish droprate

[fresh parrot]

correct

[minor scroll]

i go read frieren now

[fresh parrot]

only 12mil copper :(

[minor scroll]

cuz that annoying brat is here

[candid creek]

Don't ruin my fun! It's 1/4,000,000 chance and I have 400k kills per hour including MK which doesn't affect DR

[candid creek]

Why do you hate me so much, what did I do to you

[fresh parrot]

comparison is rhe killer of joy

[candid creek]

Oh right you'd get it in one hour of afk

[minor scroll]

basically every message

[candid creek]

You're just being unfair and mean! Hating on me for just existing

[fresh parrot]

no I got it like way long ago I don't remember

most of em were easy tho

[candid creek]

I meant nowadays

[minor scroll]

correct

[candid creek]

I only have this map unlock on this character so no chance of getting it (logs)

[candid creek]

Can you at least ignore me instead of insulting me for existing?

[minor scroll]

i can do both

[candid creek]

Can you not mention me in any way also as a third thing

[exotic coyote]

uh

so i have a problem

this ice cream guy gave me a quest to buy a trap: 0/1 and place a trap: 0/1

i brought traps

[candid creek]

Yup, it's in world 3 shop

[exotic coyote]

it dindt change

i tried placing

[candid creek]

Put one into your inventory tool slot

[exotic coyote]

oh im stupid mb

thx

[candid creek]

It's a tool like the others

Same with worshipping skulls!

[candid creek]

There being so many in the shop can be confusing I get it dw

[exotic coyote]

why do i need these frog things btw

[candid creek]

The only other tool is something in world 4

[candid creek]

They're in crafting recipes

[granite sedge]

for trapping should I always use the best trap I can make

[candid creek]

As well as upgrades in e.g. construction, the other new skill in world 3

[fair hare]

And for some construction projects.

[candid creek]

Late!

[ashen steppe]

u should equip ur best one but some like natural crates are really good for exp, some are good for shiny farming and some are good for quantity

[fair hare]

Haha, I saw that! :P

[candid creek]

The later ones have the abilities of the earlier ones, so yeah usually you should the best one unless it's very expensive for you and you wouldn't use the new abilities

[ashen steppe]

even if u have latest one equipped u can still use the other crates from trapping drone

[candid creek]

(abilities in this context means like, how long you have to afk for and what bonuses you'll get)

[candid creek]

Yeah this exactly

Can't it also be used from the hunter skill?

I thought it could be

[ashen steppe]

u cant place from hunter skill i think

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

@candid creek are u the annoying brat

nvm it was interesting so i read full convo

[fair hare]

I finally got that damn borger/Nutto, and I had a pet set up saved that used it - it was the last thing I needed - so I could get through Frosty Peaks. And now I can't find it. 😭

[mossy anvil]

check if u didnt place it in spice production

[fair hare]

No, I mean...the roster for the battle.

[mossy anvil]

yeah, 6 team comp dont use burgir

[fair hare]

I gotta have it here somewhere, lol. (You wouldn't believe my bookmarks for this game, lol.)

I only have 4 spots.

Ima check my saved off Google sheets.

[mossy anvil]

ah ok, i forgor setup for that

[candid creek]

:(

I am but idk why

[mossy anvil]

[candid creek]

Nejo look look look

I've posted about it in this discord two times but I'm gonna do it again

Insanity!

[mossy anvil]

i saw u dropping it some scrolls above

[mossy anvil]

total insanity man, stuff drops where it supposed be dropping

[candid creek]

It's not supposed to tho

[mossy anvil]

marbi gloves and cake recipe are rare iirc

[candid creek]

True

[candid creek]

This actually drops from the emperor did you know? Not skydoggie spirits

[fresh parrot]

cake n opal same chance

[mossy anvil]

surely it drops from emperor, people WERE NOT running with gs weapons for months before emperor came out

[fresh parrot]

so there's two people, those who have opals and for the love of god can't get cakes

and vice versa

[candid creek]

Exactly

[candid creek]

I'm neither

Because I've hardly killed the miniboss lmao, only like 8 times

[mossy anvil]

i was glove guy

[fresh parrot]

wait y'all what's supposed to drop from emp

[mossy anvil]

i still dont know

[fresh parrot]

same

[mossy anvil]

he was talking about gs weapon

that it drops from emperor

[mossy anvil]

u think AI can replace me? good luck replacing stupidity

[fresh parrot]

amen

[fresh parrot]

yeah wonder what that's about @candid creek

[main kestrel]

This is where I would put my cakes IF I HAD ANY

[exotic coyote]

curious to know what was your guys first character journey (mine: Begginer -> Warrior -> squire)

its squire rn

[mossy anvil]

[mossy anvil]

ac

[exotic coyote]

ac?

[mossy anvil]

arcane cultist

[exotic coyote]

wow

[candid creek]

Mine was that too!

Except mine is at DK now (Divine Knight, it's the elite class for squire found in world 4)

[exotic coyote]

wowww

[fair hare]

I started with Mage->Shaman->Bubo and regretted it, though lately I realized she does pretty good non-AFK...but unfortunately, I mostly leave her in the lab. DK and ES are my faves right now.

[vernal hinge]

ES

[exotic coyote]

i dont sknow these terms...

[fair hare]

I love my ES.

[mossy anvil]

i agree, dk is most fun for me

[fair hare]

@exotic coyote ES = Elemental Sorcerer

[exotic coyote]

trying my first tower defence run

[mossy anvil]

what can boost study rate, only stamp?

or is there collectible aswell

[fair hare]

Like these? https://idleoninsight.com/?search=library (Not 100% what you're looking for)

[mossy anvil]

im talking about bolaia

ye, ehhhh

[fair hare]

Ahhh, above my pay grade. lol.

[mossy anvil]

usefull site tho, thanks

[fair hare]

NP. I use it a lot!

[vernal hinge]

#Neglect everyone but ES

[mossy anvil]

found neglected char by accident xd

i think thats the same guy that was running with birch bow 2 months ago

[vernal hinge]

The only neglected thing is that helmet

[mossy anvil]

every piece of gear is neglected there

[vernal hinge]

dat's crazy

[fair hare]

I made two beginners so I could stick them in the lab, to free up DK and ES, which is who I mostly play with. Though others come out once in a while. (Someone here told me I might want to wait to make my last 2 characters, so...still beginners. I do have two DKs.)

[mossy anvil]

each class so its 6, +1dk + vman

u can wait with rest

[exotic coyote]

how long is 17k seconds

[mossy anvil]

17000/60

for minutes

17000/3600 for hours

[exotic coyote]

almost 5 hrs

FOR AN ABILITY COOLDOWN 🙁

[mossy anvil]

dont press it so it wont be on cooldown

[exotic coyote]

...

hey i ranked up

is there away to make the anvil produse faster

[mossy anvil]

upgrade it

[exotic coyote]

not the anvil upgrade but like anything else

[mossy anvil]

stamp

and maybe vault

[fair hare]

I have 6, plus Jman (I suck at mini games), and an extra DK, plus two beginners.

[mossy anvil]

thts fine

[fair hare]

The beginners were also helpful when I got Skill Mastery, because I had a few skills that weren't to the passive cards yet. At least they'll be somewhat trained when I use 'em for something. :)

[mint rivet]

Greetings everyone

👋🏿

[marsh folio]

What is wrong with my pet set up
In order I have

Looter - Rattler - Monolith1 -Refiller - monolith2 - Defender

Trying to pass lullaby airways but its not even close

[mint rivet]

||alchemy||

[mint rivet]

check pins, sometimes rng is needed

[marsh folio]

The Pin is for arena, but clearing the spices one shots everything even borger

I am at a complete loss

[minor scroll]

!guide pet section

[candid scarab]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[unreal vine]

rattler - looter - monolith - refiller - defender - refiller.. sometimes first refiller dies but rng could save it from the first attack.. also good if you have alchemy unlocked for your looter to roll it.

[marsh folio]

Let me try that

[unreal vine]

takes a min too !

[marsh folio]

that worked, it did take a while lol

[silver talon]

So with the lab bonus on shrines... does that mean that you can level them up throughout the entire world?

[white lintel]

Yes

[silver talon]

awesome

I remembered seeing somewhere a thing that makes them always active but not level

[balmy crystal]

moai artifact in w5 sailing

[silver talon]

ahh, I see

[fresh parrot]

HELL NAH 😭

I gotta farm trophies they gonna be passives 😔

[hexed shoal]

🗿

[vernal hinge]

how do you even get those trophies?

[uneven obsidian]

for those shown, from the top
w4 quest , w1 quest , unavailable
w1 picnic, basketball mini game
bundle, guild box, w3 trapping npc

[mossy anvil]

That's cool,less swotching

[balmy crystal]

what

[uneven obsidian]

can check the wiki for the full list of existing

[fresh parrot]

yes but I have to farm them :(

gotta start now ig

[uneven obsidian]

a good chunk of them are pretty easy to get, only a few can be a pain

[vernal hinge]

Wow

[vernal hinge]

like basketball trophy

[uneven obsidian]

basketball, master of nothing and idle skilling trophy are the hard ones imo

maybe megalodon

[mossy anvil]

caught neglecting

[ashen steppe]

I need to actually do the food one icl

[vernal hinge]

I haven't even gotten to the 3rd world 😭 By the time i get idle skilling trophy i will get to w19

[balmy crystal]

idle skilling trophy should take like 3 months to get

that at least before w8

[fresh parrot]

TwT

bully, funny thing is I can't even play idleskilling

discontinued on androod

[uneven obsidian]

the idles skilling event is only on steam

[balmy crystal]

lol

[uneven obsidian]

the event was made when lava released skilling on steam

[balmy crystal]

you cant even play idle skilling on mobile anymore iirc

[full beacon]

like it just doesn't let you past the launch screen because old code or something?

the playstore page is still up at least

[uneven obsidian]

not like it would help much anyway in the case of getting the idle skilling trophy

[full beacon]

I think most people just want to play idle skilling

the casual mobile market is orders of magnitude larger than pc gameres

[ashen steppe]

not a single person has ever said they wanna play idle skilling

[ashen steppe]

wait i didnt know idle skilling was balling like that

[full beacon]

idk I thought it was an objectively solid idle game

idleon players shit on it cuz idleon is the version 2 so yea, it's better

[ashen steppe]

idk ive only seen my friend playing and i thougt it didnt seem very good but im not sure

[full beacon]

it just needs qol updates that will never happen since it's eol

[strange prism]

its been out for 7 years

[quiet crane]

its not bad, its kinda fun logging on every 2-3 times a month or a year :D its just a bit hard to get into, harder than idleon imo

[full beacon]

is it more important to spec into dmg or dr for ES grinding

for cards*

[mossy anvil]

the higher wormhole the better

[full beacon]

so talking like 100 vs 110 dr, but much better dmg, for example

[fresh parrot]

damage

[full beacon]

👍🏼

wait what about a more extreme comparison

like no dr wings, going for dmg multi?

[strange prism]

depends on what world you're farming in

well.. honestly its kinda just always DR focused, with a little dmg if your ES cant clear portal kills before timers up

[mossy anvil]

or jsut go dr setup with crystal cards swapped to dmg

[vernal hinge]

What's a good setup for round 50?

these are my current

[dense fable]

[mossy anvil]

what will be the last one

[vernal hinge]

What will the last one be

[dense fable]

this one

[mossy anvil]

hi kebab

[polar geyser]

closing in

[strange prism]

Uge

[vernal hinge]

Uge

[white lintel]

[vernal hinge]

Zuiq are you almost w5?

[white lintel]

Doubt it

[woeful karma]

I just finished DN for now
have still need for building levels, tools on some people
Armour on some people

quite a few EQ dreams
4 players to get to 500
general CCing stuff
and more
can't list them all as I am at work rn

but I can imagine like 30 or so minutes when I get home

I can also be more specific

still have 1-2 months of stuff left to do

[vernal hinge]

Nice

[woeful karma]

ill be back in a bit if yoy want more detailed information

[vernal hinge]

Nah, it's ok

[strange prism]

[dense fable]

[balmy crystal]

This is truly a

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236455214668583067/1416888383665606809/teto-wide.gif

[woeful karma]

is that teto?

[lofty wing]

doing space party achievement (you /dance with 5 other players in world 4 town), cookie server 17 if anyone else needs and wants to join in, currently dancing by myself

[vernal hinge]

No way, cookie 17 getting love??

[dense fable]

I just unlocked this, +1 talent lvls, shall I focus this ?

[mossy anvil]

yes

go balls deep into that

[dense fable]

got it
after that DMG or DR ?

[mossy anvil]

now

ah i cant read

[dense fable]

I mean, after the Talent lvl is maxed XD
shall I go dmg or DR?

[mossy anvil]

up to you, i did dr first then dmg

[vernal hinge]

i feel like you can do musroom vman portals and snakehontep easily

[mossy anvil]

he wont do speedrun

[dense fable]

the Vman should be easy, cause I did long ago speedrun

the Dungeon I will do after I spend my tickets

[strange prism]

na, max lab length

[vernal hinge]

what is that star?

[mossy anvil]

its yellow star shaped star

[dense fable]

I think that is 7x production ( Lab + God )

[vernal hinge]

i can't believe the legendary 1 in 1 quintillion chance star that gives you -10 prints??

[mossy anvil]

no its multi like blue said

[vernal hinge]

oh wow that means im cooking 700k logs an hour

[mossy anvil]

u can check it in IT

boosted value

[vernal hinge]

just 3 more

[strange prism]

[vernal hinge]

Im running out of logs

lava should add more

[dense fable]

let me send you some logs

[vernal hinge]

I meant like new logs for gstack

[mossy anvil]

thats prob higher print than mine lol, last time i reprinted in may

u cooked blue

i remember u as crawling lil bro

[dense fable]

ye I printed a few days ago

[mossy anvil]

[dense fable]

yep, I started the game in April

[vernal hinge]

red firsby no way

[dense fable]

and had a 1 month break too

[vernal hinge]

whaling sim?? or last year

[strange prism]

[dense fable]

i spent 100$ in total

[vernal hinge]

The fuck

[mossy anvil]

smol

[vernal hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676349

[analog gyro]

does the vman double loot get you more gems from daily bosses?

[balmy crystal]

my disappointment is unmeasurable

[vernal hinge]

wait a minute if i can do royal worm quest on 8 chars i can get a onyx easy

[balmy crystal]

huh

onyx of what

[mossy anvil]

onyx deez nuts

gottem

[vernal hinge]

2.5k twosoul statues or whatever they're called per quest so x2 = 5k x2= 10k x2 =20k so 8 chars for easy onyx

[mossy anvil]

or just few candies

[vernal hinge]

yeah sure