midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[balmy crystal]

i went from sanctum 31 to 33

[vernal hinge]

i am improving a bit i am even leveling vials and bubbles today i got 2 new vials

[hexed shoal]

What is droprate doing in there

[vernal hinge]

idk, more logs

[mossy anvil]

its a bit depressing seeing some people yap in discord but they refuse to use links or knowledge that is posted here thousand times a day

[hexed cairn]

cant read

[hexed shoal]

All of the gen chatters

[honest cradle]

I definitely listen to all advice and never try to oppose others views

[hexed shoal]

As soon as I entered gen chat someone said "moan" and I took that as my queue to leave lmao

[balmy crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236455214668583067/1413624071303856358/SUS-look.gif

gen chatters gotta be a different species

[vernal hinge]

yeah no don't enter there

[mossy anvil]

i once went to offtopic and saw some guys talking about furries and posting them and i have never been there since then

[vernal hinge]

I was there once to ask something to hotair and there was also some furry and teto stuff

[hexed shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236455214668583067/1395448099287334972/kewk.gif

[mossy anvil]

thank god i dont know what teto is i guess

and i dont want to know*

[vernal hinge]

red Miku

[balmy crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/pearto-pear-teto-gif-3272696767976487565

[hexed shoal]

Virtual singer

Now you know

[mossy anvil]

idk what miku is, and stop i dont want to get deeper into that

[vernal hinge]

Hatsune Miku

[hexed shoal]

PEARTO!

[honest cradle]

Soomeone posted furry stuff in this chat a few days ago

[hexed shoal]

Another virtual singer

[mossy anvil]

ye i saw this name sometimes but still it doesnt ring a bell

[mossy anvil]

but why

[hexed shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-hatsune-miku-channelcaststation-anamanaguchi-gif-4071236854654768172

[honest cradle]

idk I saw it, complained, then left discord for the day

[mossy anvil]

why are u all degenerates

[vernal hinge]

what?

[hexed shoal]

I'm still young, I gotta listen to peak music before it's all phonk

[mossy anvil]

phonk is good

[balmy crystal]

[vernal hinge]

does anyone even listen to classical music anymore?

[hexed shoal]

All I hear is just my ears bleeding from how loud that shit is

[honest cradle]

I saw a post the other day about how goood a sum 41 music video was and I then had a realization

[vernal hinge]

Used to be good

[honest cradle]

I am now how my parents were when I was a child

[mossy anvil]

it feels like niche type of music, hard to find something new

[honest cradle]

I think the modern music is ass and listen to mostly 90's and early 00's

[hexed shoal]

Lived it's time in 2023(I think?) to 2024

[hexed shoal]

Just listen to the old music like I do XD

[mossy anvil]

if u talking about pop and whats in radio, i agree

[hexed shoal]

Virus alert is peak

[mossy anvil]

[vernal hinge]

At the start it was quite good but now they make it out of any shit what got it popular was mango mango

[vernal hinge]

[hexed shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/nileseyy-niles-peace-out-disappear-meme-disappearing-guy-checking-out-gif-25558985

Candy cat shall make this chat on-topic again

[vernal hinge]

what does he do

[hexed shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719797579638112340/1362080363899257024/catcandy.gif

[hexed shoal]

Use your code from idleskilling

[vernal hinge]

???

[hexed shoal]

Lavas older game

[ember wing]

The NPC is literally telling you what hes for

[balmy crystal]

play lava's other game and get codes as you progress

[meager matrix]

#idleon-gen-chat message

[vernal hinge]

[balmy crystal]

he is not gonna read it

got scared of big text

[meager matrix]

These people don't know how to read.

[ember wing]

Fair point

[hexed shoal]

I mean... They play idleon

[brazen relic]

So I just came back to the game after around a bit over half a year, the whole time I’ve had all my characters in lab I think most are around lvl 70 rn. The only progress I’ve made is really getting most my characters to elite classes and some small cooking and breeding. I know this is an open ended question but what are some things I should focus on doing first.

[vernal hinge]

i mean.. i was wondering HOW to get the codes not HOW to get the game

[mossy anvil]

ima go to bed before i got robloxed, gn chat

[hexed shoal]

You need lavas other game for the code

[vernal hinge]

but like how much do i have to play the game? like what do i have to do

and how do the codes even look like

[ember wing]

Download the game and find out

[vernal hinge]

fine

[white lintel]

How do I play idle skilling

[hexed shoal]

Idk

Just idle and skill

[white lintel]

That sounds too complicated

[woeful wyvern]

Almost done with super chows

[vernal hinge]

install it it's on steam

[white path]

step 1. install the game
step 2. open the game
step 3. uninstall the game

[white lintel]

How do I use steam

[hexed shoal]

Reading is not an option for 99% of the player base

[balmy crystal]

dont forget doot's tomb and equinox

[vernal hinge]

using it

[white lintel]

Idk how :(

[hexed shoal]

Boil hot water and you get some steam coming out of it

[woeful wyvern]

Doot's tomb?

[balmy crystal]

invisible gmush

[woeful wyvern]

That'll take yrs

It's just one gmush

[vernal hinge]

search steam on google install, create account, install game

[balmy crystal]

pretty sure it respawns

[hexed shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-snake-boss-gif-15807632592168015553

[woeful wyvern]

Yes but that'll still take forever 😭

Android, man

[vernal hinge]

why did lava nerf candies

[hexed shoal]

Thats too complecated for the pooh

[balmy crystal]

buffed candies*

[woeful wyvern]

But honestly

Right after super chows

I'll have to deal with wows

Tho most of them are half done

[balmy crystal]

what were wows?

[woeful wyvern]

1b

Gfood effect

[balmy crystal]

wait i thought you were doing wows

[hexed shoal]

Why didn't lava add reading classes to his games

[woeful wyvern]

No I was doing super chows

I am*

[balmy crystal]

disappointing

[woeful wyvern]

Wows will be pretty easy

[hexed shoal]

Idleon players suck with numbers and reading

[vernal hinge]

wdym those candies time's are halfed compared to last game

[woeful wyvern]

Cuz like most of my mobs at 700m kills

[hexed shoal]

Wut?

1hr became 2hr

2hr became 4

[vernal hinge]

No like i meant lava nerfed them in idleon

[balmy crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236455214668583067/1394093756268937307/hoshimi-miyabi.gif

[hexed shoal]

They're easier to get in idleon

[balmy crystal]

you get more in idleon so i'd say its a buff

[hexed shoal]

Weakly giants and minis drop a shit load of candies

Also crystal island

[vernal hinge]

id say lava should get them back to their original potency or make it so that you can use many candies at once

[woeful wyvern]

But what's more shocking is, once u start getting "more" candies, you'll just stack em up

[hexed shoal]

Nah gotta hold smh

[woeful wyvern]

Won't find a good use for em

[hexed shoal]

Gstack when?

[woeful wyvern]

All done

Oh candies

[hexed shoal]

Lvling up skills faster Ig

On vman

[woeful wyvern]

Only applies to mining and fishing

Catching and chopping are in w6

Can't use candy

[hexed shoal]

Well uhhh

Like Hornet says: Git Gud

[woeful wyvern]

Won't get the most exp from w5

[hexed shoal]

I'm an average mobile player with skill

[lime valve]

Whats the best gear to progress through w3

[vernal hinge]

amarok can go up to early w6 so id say amarok

[balmy crystal]

good 'ol amarok with iron rings

[magic vale]

at what Laboratory can let one character reach Wired in alone?

[lime valve]

Thanks i was asking for a buddy of mine who started playing a few days ago hes at cyro snakes

[vernal hinge]

a few days ago and cryo snakes?? oh man that took me months

[lime valve]

Right

[white lintel]

[lime valve]

The vault helped him alot

[vernal hinge]

or a year i mean i barely played idleon back then and 2 times i afked for almost a year or a year

[vernal hinge]

Indeed

this is kinda slow ngl

[hexed shoal]

Rings? Those are way too expensive

[hexed shoal]

It gets fast when you unlock most skills tbh

[lime valve]

Oh damn you just reminded me about that let me check mine been a while

[vernal hinge]

you guys actually played it?

[hexed shoal]

I did

Thinking I'd get the code

[woeful sand]

I am finally better than you were

[hexed shoal]

But mobile doesn't seem to be able to get code I think?

[vernal hinge]

this is super slow to get ngl

[vernal hinge]

Nope, steam only

[vernal hinge]

wow

[woeful sand]

Not really tbh

Its slow still

[vernal hinge]

how do you unlock the other skills (smithing and fishing)?

[hexed shoal]

Points thingy I think

[lime valve]

When was this

[woeful sand]

The layout is so cringey

[vernal hinge]

idk prob 2020-2019

[vernal hinge]

what the hell

[honest cradle]

y is hotair posting warnings and then not throwing that mute down. Why even warn

[vernal hinge]

what warnings?

[little moat]

Wait does it not work if i log in on steam with my phone account?:|

[vernal hinge]

Idk ask lava

[meager matrix]

!is

[candid scarab]

This is a Discord server primarily for IdleOn chat and support. You probably want the Idle Skilling discord server!

Here ya go! https://discord.gg/dBHxNZbZ8N

[meager matrix]

Alright guys, take the IS talk to the proper server

[vernal hinge]

that exists?

did not expect it

[meager matrix]

As for this question, IS is not an account based game. For the crossover event, you have to play the Steam version of IS. Details can be found here: #idleon-gen-chat message

Let's keep it to IdleOn in here that way I don't need to use any commands. Been a lot of talk about other stuff lately

[near jewel]

how does construction work?

with the cogs now?

[reef moon]

well this guy should die in like 30000 min i think

[white path]

30000 mins?

500 hours?

why

[meager matrix]

Because math is hard, I guess

[red relic]

Sounds like its nap time until your dk wins

[near jewel]

like im so confused

[strange prism]

looks ~fine~

just make sure your squires are on the board and clear out spots from the center point out

the closer to the left/right sides, the longer the flagging will take

[near jewel]

ive been chucking cogs in randomly and idk what im actually supposed to do....

[reef moon]

just shove highest % xp gain

[strange prism]

typically you want to focus XP cogs, but being so early in with minimal xp gains, any cog is better then non

[final birch]

Hey guys so I just reached world 4 and I have no idea what I’m doing

[granite sedge]

does building later stuff take super long and need a high build speed? so far I'm restricted by salt way more then building speed and I have no idea what i'm doing with cogs either

[granite sedge]

you're gonna want to get pet breeding and cooking started, then leave like 6 characters in lab

[strange prism]

later unlocks will naturally take longer yes

[granite sedge]

I suppose also push a few zones into w4 to get the next tier for your classes as well

[strange prism]

~unfortunately~

[final birch]

Ok I got my first warrior to the 5th monster area and he’s now a blood berserker, and I have a journeyman in world 4 grinding levels I will put like my other characters in the lab thing though thanks

[near jewel]

push to get dk and he will push u through w4

[final birch]

Ok 👍

[daring kiln]

What does worship power do

[worn raptor]

do realm

[honest cradle]

ok chat got my 17th bubble to 98% what bubble next chat

[wraith timber]

maybe the stat% tome bubbles? :clueless:

[strange prism]

goood if we're talking about atoms

[granite sedge]

rip I had a arcade ball go into the second last spot and it gave me store points

[balmy crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738868719522152490/1413257915728531538/image0.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236455214668583067/1402420848383496302/cat-laugh-edit.gif

[woeful sand]

I tweaked a bit with something and in 1 hour got lots of new crops lol, and still going

[slender lichen]

whats a good crystal spawn rate is this good enough to farm for statues or will it be a waste of time

[true hamlet]

Should be fine

[strange prism]

easy farm w1-2 4-5 (we dont talk about w3)

[balmy crystal]

pretty good

[true hamlet]

If you exalted crystallin, your rates would be better than that, because IE doesn't have support for exalt bonus

[zenith hare]

1/100 tends to work to start off

[polar geyser]

whats a good rate to get rate to @true hamlet

[slender lichen]

i feel like my Bubonic Conjuror spawns more crystal mobs in general should i just use that instead of my dk?

[strange prism]

500 is a decent spot, 1k+ if youre gonna 99 all bubbles

[polar geyser]

okay bet

[balmy crystal]

you use dk cause of the orb

[polar geyser]

also aod, almost done with ghampter grind for big beanstalk

i think im like 4k off of it

[balmy crystal]

4% dr, huge

[polar geyser]

i might do world 1 gfood grind after or something

[strange prism]

Uge

[polar geyser]

i forgot my totm today aswell fuck i just remembered

i hit atom range on these today so pushed them to 1000m costs

and really close on these

[strange prism]

Uge

[polar geyser]

4 more bubbles i can get to 90%+ now finally

[strange prism]

Making big moves

[polar geyser]

you know what else is making big moves?

[balmy crystal]

are you using the lab tech?

you disconnect this and raise the cost to hit 100mil

[polar geyser]

yeahhhh i disconnected it

[strange prism]

ooo

I wonder if I can get t3 warrior efficiency to atom range doing this

[next hedge]

i just hit world 4 what character should i put in lab

[ember wing]

All but one and push that one character to elite class map which is demon genie

once they get elite class throw them in lab take another out rinse repeat until they have all elite

[next hedge]

ok thank you

[granite sedge]

around what point do people tend to unlock all 10 characters, early w6?

[ember wing]

maybe a little earlier

[granite sedge]

also can amarok gear get me to w6 or do I need to make something else

[ember wing]

ye

should be more than good enough

[granite sedge]

I havent had accuracy issues in a while so I guess I just need more damage sources to keep pushing

[wise shore]

Any recommendations for 9th character class? I have 2 DK and then one of everything else currently

[strange prism]

ES

[quick plank]

There's no reason to not have this equipped is there?

[next hedge]

what characters do i want in world 4 for my elite class

[strange prism]

all

[quick plank]

All of them eventually

You could probably go dk first for pushing

So squire

[next hedge]

im going for one of each i mean for my other characters ill get later on

[quick plank]

Ohh

2nd dk for sure

Idk about the rest

[next hedge]

2dk and 2 bobos

or smth like that

[runic quiver]

does putting two or more same shiny pet into fenceyard do something?

[ember wing]

increases the speed at which it levels up

[fresh parrot]

since I'm pretty sure we're both in similar vial mastery, disabling that would be around a 2× cost increase

[strange prism]

so not even close to enough : (

[runic quiver]

i see, gonna do something for infinite star sign

[ember wing]

good plan

[strange prism]

hmm wonder if working on vials is worth it

[ember wing]

Pearler to level 9 maybe

[strange prism]

I am at 7, could

should finish these

[white path]

How much does it cost to upgrade

[strange prism]

which?

my dread/GS is 10

9 pearler isnt that bad tbh

[ember wing]

bars seem like a big headache idk

pearler you can just chug candy no thought

[strange prism]

I can hold 4.3b ore in forge rn

dread wont be tooo bad, GS is.. not it

Dreadlore - 1,125,000,000,000 ore
GodShard - 16,875,000,000,000 ore

[ember wing]

[strange prism]

dread vs gs for how many times id need to fill forge

probably better to wait till w7 to see if we get forge cap when it comes to gs

[sullen hill]

Hello friends

Let’s get them vials done lads

I’m still delaying deadlo and godshard vials lol

[strange prism]

yea godshards a lil crazy

[sullen hill]

Kind of sad, but I don’t care at all about skill efficiency

Used to be the goated stat but these days… meh

[strange prism]

fair point

[sullen hill]

One day we will get yet enough forge capacity and it will take like four stacks haha

[strange prism]

that would be amazing lmao

[sullen hill]

Getting a new ore next world surely

More vials too

Critters etc etc

I’m keen for Chungous Ore

[honest cradle]

Well todays progress chat

[hexed cairn]

[sullen hill]

Well done wizard

When I get home it’s farming time! Hope to get three new crops today

[honest cradle]

got 23 new crops

[sullen hill]

lol

[strange prism]

Uge

[honest cradle]

idk y u would lol at such a simple sentence lou

[strange prism]

I havent looked at farming in a while

[sullen hill]

Idk why you care if I did or didn’t

[strange prism]

[honest cradle]

aod how is anyone going to read something so small

Where are your pixels

[strange prism]

hope that helps

[fresh parrot]

show highest og from tome

[strange prism]

its been 2-3 days since I've looked at farming

should go to it, id get a new crop, but then I cant AC

[fresh parrot]

twins

[honest cradle]

I usually check it twice a day on a good day

But I dcided I wanted more dr

[strange prism]

its definitely worth the DR

Im just being ~lazy~

[honest cradle]

I even got a fancy load out

[plain heath]

what is that image

its so

[strange prism]

here 1 sec sorry

is that better?

[plain heath]

needs more pixels

[strange prism]

feel like im breaking my computer when I zoom in that much

[plain heath]

lmao

[strange prism]

[honest cradle]

nice that is in fact legible

[wise shore]

wait AoD said ES, so 2 DK 2 ES, yeah?

[honest cradle]

Dont get 2 bubos

[frigid dragon]

Is this the best spice layout?

[next hedge]

k thnx

[hexed cairn]

i keep getting random discord friend request from this server from people who have never talked in this server before

stranger danger

[honest cradle]

welcome to discord bot scaming

[minor scroll]

This but extend the borger miasma forager converter to 2nd last territory

[frigid dragon]

And what about the last territory?

[minor scroll]

Same as last territory of the image

[frigid dragon]

Okk

Thanks!

[eternal tapir]

wwhat is this mode?

[compact pagoda]

farming

w6 mechanic

[eternal tapir]

ohhh ight

[plain heath]

id recommend turning off friend reqs/DMs in general in huge massive servers

[red relic]

you can set it as a default setting or by server if you wish

[hollow cave]

if someone I don't know messages/friend requests me I typically just ask who they are/what they are looking for and ignore if it's something typical scammy/spammy

[red relic]

I just simply do not see the message :V

[hollow cave]

I need to keep an eye out since I have some spreadsheets for games that reference back to me to mention corrections

which at times has clarified something I mistakenly input/missed

[honest cradle]

That is farming from world 6

[eternal tapir]

yo uh where do all of my sample from 3D printer went to?

[thorny zinc]

the resources you print go into the storage chest

rest of resources you print past 1050m are transformed into atoms

[compact pagoda]

urge to bunk classes is real

shi make us sleepy

[steel gyro]

What should I cook in the kitchen now that I have maxed all available meal I have?

[minor scroll]

level them up

[thorny zinc]

turkey/bill jack pepper

turkey for artifact, pepper for shiny rate upgrade

[compact pagoda]

all in for turkey

[steel gyro]

Okay

[compact pagoda]

shift to pepper when turkey take long

[strange prism]

unlock or turkey

[arctic yarrow]

i think i got all 10k gfood right?

[balmy crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236455214668583067/1414384224357843054/monkey-thinking-monkey.gif

[arctic yarrow]

road to 100k now

[strange prism]

Uge

[arctic yarrow]

[balmy crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1236455214668583067/1413925035164303400/plink-luna-cat.gif

a lot of thinking

[compact pagoda]

quit thinking

emothing isn't that hard

[shut hull]

Lemme add an emote of mine

Actually I will decide against it

[compact pagoda]

bro didn't thibk of a better comeback

[white lintel]

horray

[thorny zinc]

gg man

you go for all lvl 300 statues or just dragon?

[white lintel]

300 is super easy for not dragon

[thorny zinc]

thats true

[white lintel]

Could work on villager statues but like

I could just get more dragon

[compact pagoda]

400 dragon when

[white lintel]

Sooner than you think

[compact pagoda]

i see

[thorny zinc]

im just gonna wait for w7 to deposit them tbh. i have some stacks in chest already

[white lintel]

Might do the same tbh

I need to go on a DR arc to catch back up

My DR is from like

May

[thorny zinc]

damn

[quiet crane]

morning

[white lintel]

Morning

[thorny zinc]

whats your dr rn bear?

[white lintel]

Uh

My DK has 235 ish on a not DR focus build with the cape n tag

[thorny zinc]

oh okay thats good

[white lintel]

Eh

Could be better

I want at least 250 I think

[thorny zinc]

i think you can easily push for more but yeah 250 is a good goal

[white lintel]

120 on my SB farming plunders

[eternal tapir]

that is crazy

[thorny zinc]

i really need to fix my statues in w7 too. i want lvl 400

[white lintel]

We’ll probably get hella DR come w7

[thorny zinc]

yep

[white lintel]

Guessing 1000x DR during w7 lifecycle

[thorny zinc]

• i will max the x2 statue chance upgrade

[thorny zinc]

1000 dr and 0 fps

cant wait

[azure raft]

iv never used the smithy guy when can i start using him?

[thorny zinc]

whenever you can craft the sets

or do you have the 30 days waiting time?

[azure raft]

i have crafted the set

i dont have a 30 day wait time

[thorny zinc]

oh then equip the set

[azure raft]

i did

[thorny zinc]

nvm

[thorny zinc]

12 more days

you probably did that when it was that autoloot bug i think?

[azure raft]

so its every 30 days
?

[thorny zinc]

nope

after those 12 days you will have it active all the time

i was a bug back there when it got added and autoloot pack counted to the 2000 requirement

[azure raft]

so in 12 days i go to him with full set so its passive correct?

[thorny zinc]

so ppl got acces to it even if they didnt spent 2000 gems

[azure raft]

i wish i knew about it

[thorny zinc]

yeah

dont forget that those 12 days you need to actually login

[azure raft]

ohhhhhhhh

thx for the help

[alpine scarab]

what happened to 1month

[strange prism]

.. it counts down from 30 🧍‍♂️

[alpine scarab]

oh i thought he changed it

[west pilot]

[thorny zinc]

nicee

smh i really need to finish them too but its it takes a lot of time

probably 3 days if you start from 0? idk exactly

[west pilot]

For one yeah

[thorny zinc]

ye

im going to finish all dr ones first then move to afk

[west pilot]

Like doing snake Dr 1.0 to 1.2 takes around there

Usually 2-3 days

[thorny zinc]

tbh its now THAT bad

[west pilot]

But if the map IS garbage

Proly takes a week or so

[thorny zinc]

[west pilot]

I don't wanna look at penguins

[thorny zinc]

only did bored beans, rams and brightside so far

[west pilot]

Imma do snake, quenchies

And check how bad IS penguins

Should be done with quenchies this week

[thorny zinc]

ig i can go for tysons today

[clever dove]

could i have some help knocking out the world 3 dungeon?

[trail stirrup]

is joining a guild easy? because im in a decent guild and wanna change soo badly

[compact pagoda]

@thorny zinc

chose one

[thorny zinc]

@strange flare might be able to invite you in his guild

lvl 30 guild

[compact pagoda]

this is a paid victim

[candid creek]

No XP...

[west pilot]

Why exp on cryosnakes

[candid creek]

XP on everything > nothing

[compact pagoda]

not enough

[candid creek]

XP on cryo > nothing!!!

[candid creek]

Wait so the AC kills bonus things are PER MAP

[thorny zinc]

yes

[compact pagoda]

[candid creek]

Oml

[compact pagoda]

time to grind on boops

[candid creek]

I'll just never have anything

[thorny zinc]

with this mentality ofc you wont have anything

[compact pagoda]

u aint him

where 5 dr

[thorny zinc]

im playing smth else

[compact pagoda]

i askwd when 😂

[candid creek]

Yeah shadow is she her

[compact pagoda]

they them

[candid creek]

That's me

[compact pagoda]

anyway

[candid creek]

I'll never have it even if I try

[compact pagoda]

when hit

[thorny zinc]

yeah enough w3 chat for me today already getting brain damage

[candid creek]

Np np

[compact pagoda]

too much riss fr

[compact pagoda]

are u fat ?

[proud ermine]

is it possible to reroll Obols for more worshipping/trapping power?

[candid creek]

No

I'm just godly

[candid creek]

No idea sorry

[compact pagoda]

🙁 no binge eaters

[compact pagoda]

this is cute

im evil i know

[thorny zinc]

@true hamlet do you have a photo with your bravery damage with 40k hours?

[candid creek]

True

[mossy anvil]

We got swatted at nighy

[mossy anvil]

I posted mine yesterday with 43k

[thorny zinc]

oh let me check

tho i need from someone that actually plays

yeah i cant compare as i have 2m more damage with not even 40k

[mossy anvil]

I neglect harp and rupies

[desert glen]

anyone know how i can increase the starfield skies spice? is there any bonus other than the upgrade vault one?

[mossy anvil]

Change bean for high mafioso

[signal oasis]

Higher lvl, higher pet power, be patient. Or active ww/bm farm eggs from w4 collo and power lvl

[desert glen]

wouldnt DK be best for w4 collo?

[signal oasis]

Yes

[desert glen]

so what can i do with ww/bm? i misunderstood

[signal oasis]

Oh my bad. Don't do collo with it

[patent flume]

vman enchances whale talent to fast forward pet cd

[compact pagoda]

all that for 3 sec bonus

[patent flume]

50% chance for all ACTIVE kills to advance breeding for 3s

[signal oasis]

But bm has a talent that speeds up incubation time breedabilty and Shiney levels

[desert glen]

ahh i see

so farm collo with DK or active farm with WW, and i need high eqq quality to get higher pet power right?

[signal oasis]

The talent is worded wrong

It only says breedability I think. But it speds up everything related to breeding

[compact pagoda]

reading issue on ur part

[patent flume]

ww def better cuz you don't waste ur collo tickets

[desert glen]

any map recommended?

[patent flume]

me personally I just go wherever I'm pushing, which is w6, but if your talents are high pretty much any map is good

like high enough to have constant uwu rawr talent active

[desert glen]

aight, thank 🙂

[patent flume]

also if you spend your po boxes on mana you can get like a 10% cd reduction if your talents are low, but you still need higher talents for constant uptime

[compact pagoda]

i can't read

help

[fresh parrot]

increased by all bonuses :b

[fresh parrot]

w4 cans

if you're in samurais map, that's best

[fresh parrot]

also replace frog with miasma(wooden board)

wait

ah alright unless you got converter that bean is fine

[desert glen]

what converter?

[fresh parrot]

world 3 last pet

[desert glen]

i dont have it, but if i get it then it's better than which one?

[true hamlet]

probably close to 10m

[thorny zinc]

damn then yeah im def missing some skill levels here

i only have 7m

[true hamlet]

I haven't harped since the beginning of time

just finishing off 100k bravery then I can start pushing the rest of the hole

[fresh parrot]

bored bean, green thing

[desert glen]

oki thx

[mossy anvil]

U got sum good upgrades?

[thorny zinc]

yeah link upgrading things pretty often

[true hamlet]

Lol, entire train of things to do

reset collectibles from monument afk to collectible find chance
Get twisted rupie
enchant for bell rate
reset at rupie value bell
farm up rupie digits

AND

reset collectibles to harp notes gain
increase notes from bell
push bravery damage and note digits

[mossy anvil]

Can i get inv later

[true hamlet]

Also, 31.6k tome score

[thorny zinc]

sounds like solid things to do. im trying to follow what hana told me so i can get all gems now

[thorny zinc]

@strange flare he wants an invite too

[true hamlet]

lmao, it's basically to push my harp and rupies 😂 nothing else

My bell is pretty weird atm

[thorny zinc]

damn thats a good tho

5k in lamp

nvm

villager and torch are meh

[true hamlet]

my bucket rate is like 10t now 😂

not quite, but close

[quiet crane]

i have the same with lower numbers but i have like 150 in rupies

[true hamlet]

oops

[fresh parrot]

[true hamlet]

looks like my brain is fried from playing for 5 minutes, time to log off again

[fresh parrot]

still not gonna do ac tho

[quiet crane]

how far did u get before quitting?

[thorny zinc]

i hope you dont use this preset on AC grind

[true hamlet]

7.7k for reset, that's only 300+ tries to get the bell right

[fresh parrot]

ofcourse not I'm not doing ac that's why it's like that

[thorny zinc]

makes sense

[mossy anvil]

Auto casco enjoyers

[quiet crane]

wanna hop some dota broski?

[polar geyser]

almost there

[thorny zinc]

nice

[mossy anvil]

I'm at work, we can in like 5,5h

[quiet crane]

aighty

what do u do g

[viscid pasture]

have to have 17 all at once? or i can have like 5 of one, then talk to npc and have it registered?

[mossy anvil]

Fax fraud

[quiet crane]

[mossy anvil]

Fax*

Tax*

[quiet crane]

have it on u at the same time

[mossy anvil]

How many h u got there

[quiet crane]

i have 29.5 towards ranked :)

these are the ones i played

[mossy anvil]

30h total?

[quiet crane]

yup

and some in new players q before i quit

[mossy anvil]

Alr,have to teach u then

[prisma ocean]

League better

[woeful wyvern]

Grass better

[remote peak]

i know i have a long way to go.. but ive heard i should get my refinery to a point where i make more salt then the next level needs for a single cycle... is there a sweet spot i should aim for?

[quiet crane]

league is ass rn

[prisma ocean]

Better than dota any time

[spring igloo]

Cap

[quiet crane]

ur explosive costs too much red salts compared to how much u make

[quiet crane]

as if u ever tried the game

[woeful wyvern]

See that 'power per cycle'? It should be higher than the salt shown below
Which in this case is 16

[spring igloo]

league always ass

[prisma ocean]

Power per recycle need to be higher than thr next salt component cost

[quiet crane]

recycle 🤓

[remote peak]

like i said, a work in progress.. will be pushing my red higher as i can

[quiet crane]

u pushed ur orange too much

[mossy anvil]

Always have been

[woeful wyvern]

Yes we're just explaining how it works

[prisma ocean]

Dota 🤢

[quiet crane]

league is mad easy compared to dota broski :))

[woeful wyvern]

And no there's not much of "sweet spot"

Green and red will always be ranked up

[mossy anvil]

Dw u will grow up one day

[real torrent]

indeed

[prisma ocean]

dota 🤢 🤮 🤮

[real torrent]

dwarf fortress is the hardest game

[quiet crane]

🤓

[mossy anvil]

I want to be the boshy

[remote peak]

will push my red up another rank, any idea how much it goes up each rank by chance?

[quiet crane]

pantheon rework looking mad weird

[mossy anvil]

There should be cycle guide in pinned

Basically your eat cost cant be higher that u produce

[real torrent]

how much time does it take to get redsalt to rank 21 regulary

[quiet crane]

depends on if u spam the squire spam on cd and other stuff

[real torrent]

cuz ive been playing for a month now im still rank 13 in redox

omniphau almost doubling my refinery speed

[arctic yarrow]

u will get there in a month

[mossy anvil]

After u get 1m costs it gets faster and faster

[true hamlet]

still slow smh

[real torrent]

yeah ik im wondering how long will it take to get the 1mil costs

[true hamlet]

depends on refinery speed, but construct mastery should carry a bit

[real torrent]

oh yea skill mastery i was trying to get that yesterday

[true hamlet]

biggest additive unless you hit stamp and exalt a lot

[arctic yarrow]

i myself am just about to hit rank23 on red salt. so yeah u will get there if Ur lucky enough with omniphau hitting refinery

[real torrent]

how much time have u been playing for

[arctic yarrow]

well if we talking about fixing my salts

[real torrent]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[mossy anvil]

[arctic yarrow]

i started fixing and actually refining red 22nd of july

so yeah

just over a month

[compact pagoda]

nice

[arctic yarrow]

its just a matter of omniphau actually hitting refinery most of the time i get lucky with 2-3 char hitting it

[compact pagoda]

60 he sailing procs

like fr

[quiet crane]

sailing in the big 25

[arctic yarrow]

other times its wasted on gaming cus i have my plant cycle down to sub 25

[real torrent]

unlocking mutations is so annoying

[arctic yarrow]

u just need to gamba on the 1% since its always rounded up

[real torrent]

ik

clicking it is annoying needs too much aim

[arctic yarrow]

pick up 1 plant and research. u will unlock it soon. i myself just finish the 15 chemical plant equinox dream 2 days ago

i did swipe a little to have 20 plant slot i had only 15 and seeing gaming proc from omni all going into 1 single plant that wasnt chemical was hurting alot

30+ hours gaming proc into 1 single basic plants

[real torrent]

guys for alch i aim for 50% on which bubles first? skilling ones that give more eff or what

[true hamlet]

why not

more skilling gains -> more mats to upgrade bubbles further

[compact pagoda]

stuck at 13/15

[real torrent]

itsd annoying how im jst missing the first liquid

[compact pagoda]

been a month

[true hamlet]

Since you just got the urn, I'm assuming your talent levels aren't very good

Do CC once a day

[compact pagoda]

what urn odes

[true hamlet]

div something

div point per sailing level maybe? idk

[compact pagoda]

oh i see

[real torrent]

urn?

[true hamlet]

the artifact you just pulled

[arctic yarrow]

thats what i would have been at if i didnt swipe. i was stuck on 14/15 for 2 weeks with the cat thing turned on so my gaming bits was horrendous

[real torrent]

oh

how do i unlock greenbit

[arctic yarrow]

what greenbit? the pedestal for artifact?

[real torrent]

no in gaming

[arctic yarrow]

its the bits value. u just gotta keep upgrading

[thorny zinc]

bubo unlocked

[arctic yarrow]

shadow alchemy arc 2.0

[real torrent]

breeding over 30 eggs on a 1 in 20 chance and still not getting kinda painful

[mossy anvil]

Missinformation, its shaman

[thorny zinc]

[compact pagoda]

imagine

[compact pagoda]

5 dr when

[mossy anvil]

U cant fool us

[arctic yarrow]

i got fool. im such a noob

[compact pagoda]

i smell red bits

[arctic yarrow]

not yet

[compact pagoda]

lemme show u

[mossy anvil]

Dont trust him next time

[compact pagoda]

it looks red

[arctic yarrow]

im at green Q

[compact pagoda]

15/15 seems more like 15/40

[arctic yarrow]

scamdow fr

[compact pagoda]

u spelt everytime wrong

[lime valve]

Smh

[mossy anvil]

[compact pagoda]

u sure u didn't hop in wrong chat

[mossy anvil]

I invited him there

[compact pagoda]

bro getting victims

bro ain't doing this alone

[mossy anvil]

We gonna get swatted today again coz of u

[compact pagoda]

bro hates me to the core

[mossy anvil]

There are worse people than u

[thorny zinc]

horrible run so far but at least i got blue chest

[mossy anvil]

What's inside

[true hamlet]

better than like my last 10 or so runs lol

[thorny zinc]

[true hamlet]

my last decent run was in.. may?

[thorny zinc]

unlucky..

[true hamlet]

since then they have all been under 100 cases and sub 20 chests, usually 11-12.

I do them weekly too

[weary vigil]

Which stat improves accuracy of mage?

[mossy anvil]

Left on read, classic

[thorny zinc]

wtf another blue chest

[mossy anvil]

Can u tell me what's inside this one

[true hamlet]

we'll wait and see

Shadow can read, so probably gonna come back in an hour

[thorny zinc]

are u skibbidy?

[mossy anvil]

Why am i getting ignored

[true hamlet]

🔨 -100 pop

[thorny zinc]

because u ask dumb questions?

[mossy anvil]

Those are indeed stupid questions yes

Stupid questions require stupid answer so i was hoping for something silly

[thorny zinc]

nvm was a decent run

and horrible rewards. classic

[cedar ether]

mortgaged soul of timmy duh

[real torrent]

wheres the noob account🗿

[mossy anvil]

This is the one

[true hamlet]

where is my justice reveal

[red relic]

Ez game

Time to get the worst rings i can possibly roll

[alpine scarab]

yesssssssssss

[red relic]

i'd take the chances with the -2.7% success chance and press the button again

basically free

[real torrent]

go for 26

[alpine scarab]

frfr

[mossy anvil]

Damn, gg

How much chance u had before clicking

[alpine scarab]

4.6 i think

[vital bay]

umm is this bugged or is it supposed to be -3 days

[real torrent]

go back in time

[vital bay]

how

[wispy schooner]

Hi guys, just unlocked the deathnote, is there an option to show the updated kill per hour based o nthe multikill from the death note chance? thanks !

[thorny zinc]

have u tried to click on the button?

[vital bay]

well then it costs 2k gems does it not?

[thorny zinc]

no...

you either wait 30 days OR buy total of 2000 gems on your account to not wait those 30 days

[vital bay]

okay ill try

[real torrent]

i didnt have to click it tho

[thorny zinc]

just click the button....

[sullen hill]

HUGE

[thorny zinc]

you see it in afk menu

[sleek carbon]

for equipment for w4+ should i just fully build one character for pushing then once im able to farm the rest of the resources reliably focus on the rest of my chars?

[thorny zinc]

WOW

[thorny zinc]

have your dk full amarok rest in lab

[sullen hill]

now just imagine that... but add 380% to it :D

[thorny zinc]

SMH

[red relic]

Large

[sleek carbon]

is dk better than blood berserker?

[sullen hill]

depends

[thorny zinc]

if you push afk use bb

if you push active use dk/es

[sleek carbon]

ive got my berserker way higher level and better built than my dk

ah ok thank you

[thorny zinc]

level does pretty much nothing other than talents

and you will level up your dk really fast thanks to his orb

[sleek carbon]

do you not gain any base stats from levels?

[crisp sorrel]

nope

[red relic]

yeah after a while you'll stop caring about character level until you make a piece of gear that requires a certain level and the character is not high enough :V

[crisp sorrel]

is that ever a thing?

[alpine scarab]

which collo do i go to farm gold grilled cheese

[sleek carbon]

whole time i thought you gained like a very small amount of base stats depending on class 💀

[thorny zinc]

yeah it happens

[alpine scarab]

yea to f2p people

[red relic]

oh yeah. W6 boss gear is lv600 and the hat is 650. I have an emperor hat waiting in my pocket for the day i decide to push to 650 on my dk or ac

[crisp sorrel]

omg... ok. So it happens hehe. I am like lvl 500 without even triying but i guess it wont be enough in the long run hehe

[red relic]

seen a few people make godshard weapons and then have to go punch things cuz GS weapons are 525 and the rest of the gear is 500

[sullen hill]

this thing is 650

[thorny zinc]

thats what i wanted to say lmao

[golden raft]

Hello

[red relic]

hello

[crisp sorrel]

puff so much grinding

[golden raft]

I've been playing for about 3 days, and there's so many things I can do, but my mindset keeps going back to getting as many early class levels as possible, so I keep letting all my characters push through the worlds. They're all currently halfway through W3

I'm not sure if that's the most efficient way

[crisp sorrel]

its better to just push with 1 character (ES or DK) and the rest helping the main charactet. Once you pass one world, the rest can move to the next one

push as much as you can. Unlocking new worlds helps a ton since you can start new skills. Get the new classes each world has to offer

[golden raft]

I see. Though I've been getting plenty of money and levels by letting all my characters fight stuff, and the money has been really useful for the upgrade vault

[crisp sorrel]

sure, and thats alright

but it will slow down

once W4, my advice would be to put everyone on lab except your pusher and just play active with it. Feels weird but its better and simpler

[golden raft]

I'll see if I can remember that. I'm not that far yet

But like, if I'm gonna push through W3 with just one character, what should my other characters do

[prisma ocean]

Push push push mango mango mango

https://tenor.com/view/push-gif-5358912

[crisp sorrel]

do boss quests on all characters for the first 3 worlds so you get more keys every day. They can lvl up gathering skills for better printer samples. Farm specific resources to craft gear for your pusher

[golden raft]

Funnily enough, all my characters have been easily pushing and destroying all enemies so far with just Copper/Tier 1 gear, because of Vault and Orion/Poppy stuff

[crisp sorrel]

yeah, early game is a joke. And reaching W5 is still early game

[red relic]

other characters can work on skilling or farming monster drops

[crisp sorrel]

make amarok armor for your pusher since it gets def and accuracy %. Super important for pushing

[golden raft]

I've been a bit overwhelmed by all the stuff that gets introduced in the later worlds. Last time I played, I remembered not being able to fully understand anything by W4 and beyond

[red relic]

notably if you plan to use divine knight (squire elite class) to push once you get to W4 you will need to farm snowflakes for a while to get the materials

[golden raft]

I did go out of my way to setup the printer for my first 5 characters at the very least

[red relic]

that's honestly better than some people that are in W6

[golden raft]

Oh

I've hardly spent any time on fishing, catching or trapping however

[thorny zinc]

i wish that was a joke

[crisp sorrel]

yeah, its just your 3rd day of playing xD

[golden raft]

My thought process initially was; Grind class levels so all characters have a bunch of skill points to make skilling better for later

[thorny zinc]

[red relic]

This guy knows where get accuracy

[true hamlet]

e24 where

[crisp sorrel]

hmm it doesnt hurt but leveling is easier on higher Worlds, so skills kinda takes priority and pushing with 1 guy but you will learn with time

[thorny zinc]

soon

[golden raft]

I'm also unlocking each area with each character as well, though

[true hamlet]

surely 0.27 kraken is enough

[red relic]

Thanks for the help fellas

[thorny zinc]

god vault is so op

gear and stats 😭

[crisp sorrel]

yeah its insane

[true hamlet]

holy mackerel

[crisp sorrel]

that gear is enough to reach W4

[golden raft]

I've come to learn that having ~490x Money bonus is pretty crazy

[true hamlet]

past shadow would've still been stuck at w1 with those stats

isn't efaunt's health 20k

[thorny zinc]

nah. i got stuck in w3 back there

but i wasnt in maincord so i was watching random guides

[true hamlet]

no that was amarok hmm

stuck at glubins, the WW glubin lock is real

[red relic]

turn damage numbers on

[thorny zinc]

are you doing 200+ for all or what

[true hamlet]

no, like I said, anything under an hour

[thorny zinc]

ohh right mb

[true hamlet]

I think oj 180 breezy 170 and the rest are 190? idk

[golden raft]

Is this good 3 days into my account?

[thorny zinc]

huge

[thorny zinc]

yes its really good actually

[true hamlet]

submitting or nah

[thorny zinc]

yeah im doing all stamps and such, im not follkey to play THAT optimal

[golden raft]

I feel like with how much Accuracy and Defence I've gotten from Orion, Poppy & Vault, I hardly need to go out of my way to get enough stats for pushing, hence why I haven't been focusing on getting better gear yet

[true hamlet]

it's not optimal tbh, it's just necessary, the combat stamps are horrendous, so are a lot of the skilling ones

[thorny zinc]

ig you are right but not having all stamps feels wierd so i will just submit all

if it was my main i would do it

[tropic raptor]

Some combat ones are ok

Like damage %

and base dam

[true hamlet]

yeah.... right.......... 🙃

[thorny zinc]

still not good to be hit by nslb

and at our point those stamp are useless

[tropic raptor]

At my point those stamps are helpful

[true hamlet]

I think even the quickslap and big meaty claws that I hit with nblb every day are giving me much more damage lol

[tropic raptor]

Is 110 lvl on my crystallin stamp good

[golden raft]

Scratch that, just unlocked the printer for my 6th character

[true hamlet]

gets useless pretty quick, you'd get much more in the long run having your nslb hit other stamps

[tropic raptor]

I don’t have nslb

Me noob and broke

[true hamlet]

yeah, that's why it doesn't feel that bad to have random stamps atm

once you start having that daily nslb proc, it's quite the pain seeing what it hits every day

[thorny zinc]

hitting talent points or questin stamp...

[golden raft]

How do you take samples of critters

[thorny zinc]

you dont

[golden raft]

Ok. What's the best thing for a hunter to print

[true hamlet]

how am I still alive

[thorny zinc]

refinery mats

[true hamlet]

I'm going to need another batch of them to die pretty soon or else..

[golden raft]

Idk what that is 💦

[true hamlet]

bugs heh

[thorny zinc]

[true hamlet]

[thorny zinc]

[golden raft]

Uhm

[true hamlet]

my ww does flies

[tropic raptor]

This hurts to see

[true hamlet]

oh right, I finally gstacks froges

why does it hurt to see

somewhat under control now

[tropic raptor]

Why not sb do flys

[true hamlet]

I mean.. my sb is doing flies

[golden raft]

Man, monster drops are so low at first compared to skilling materials

[true hamlet]

hmm

[real torrent]

bro 38 🤣

[true hamlet]

I really should try to minmax my monster mat sample

[real torrent]

idk how u increase its just multikill i think

[golden raft]

Again, this is only my 4th day on this account. I don't remember how to make everything as efficient as possible

[thorny zinc]

its over

[true hamlet]

I could probably hit 180m, yeah it's still low compared to other stuff will always be for the forseeable future

[crisp sorrel]

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

walking man 😄

[true hamlet]

20 a day only default right? pain

unplayable game 🔨

[thorny zinc]

real

1 star, game sucks!

[true hamlet]

yeah ok 200 should finish itself, maybe 210 frfr

[cosmic cairn]

is this the best setup for lategame atom gains? and some of the better bubbles iirc

[true hamlet]

no, it's just me being lazy as hell

[thorny zinc]

the best "setup" for atoms is logs and copper

[true hamlet]

yeah I guess

[cosmic cairn]

i feel that, 3d printing feels tedious af for no reason, haha

[true hamlet]

this was mine when I just started out if you need

6 slots per char though, so maybe you won't have enough idk

I'm at a point where it doesn't hurt to candy most of the resources, so I don't sample everything

[golden raft]

As cool as this game is, I wish people were more willing to VC and help eachother out in a more direct way, cause I can be very bad at properly following advice most of the time

[cosmic cairn]

that's useful yeah. i've until now only used 3d printer to greenstack stuff, but leaning towards getting good bubbles efficiently instead atm

[true hamlet]

hi amarok helmet guy

[thorny zinc]

no sheepie no ram

[true hamlet]

ah yeah, all the items there are put in such a way where you can print items for similar bubbles at the same time

[inner egret]

it's really annoying not turning them in btw, there's like a million stamps that randomly drop everywhere
it makes the loofilter juggling massively more annoying

[tropic raptor]

Ha

[true hamlet]

I didn't really consider that, but I guess it's a price to pay for trying to direct nslb at much more important stamps

[cosmic cairn]

yeah that makes sense, i recognize most of these materials being needed for most of the important bubbles

[true hamlet]

rambling aside, I think I gotta wait like an hour for these chunky boys to die off

[cosmic cairn]

oh shit, and stamps yeah. i forget about stamps lol

[compact pagoda]

im on a break

[golden raft]

At some point, I hope I can find someone willing to give my account a review so I can more easily know what I'm doing right/wrong

[compact pagoda]

i did a lil extra excercise

3x sets of break my back

[true hamlet]

When a gen chatter enters endgame chat

[inner egret]

i'm also not going full meme, i learned the card chance and refinery stamps for example
and i learned sukka foo because it's from lvl up gifts and can't be filtered

[compact pagoda]

funnu

[golden raft]

Who is this referring to?

[true hamlet]

I mean, they aren't terrible terrible

[thorny zinc]

me ofc

[compact pagoda]

bro ain't good enough

[true hamlet]

refinery can be pretty nice, card drop chance is card drop chance

[compact pagoda]

5dr when

[thorny zinc]

just wait

[true hamlet]

but passing on the extremely useless ones would help

[inner egret]

yeah combat i only have the 2 forced ones and sukka foo

[true hamlet]

[toxic hollow]

can i get some help please

[true hamlet]

@thorny zinc did you make the things

the cattleprod guys

[golden raft]

Sorry, I can't

[thorny zinc]

not yet

[true hamlet]

smh could've been ShaquracyGuy

[toxic hollow]

thats alright no need to apologise

[thorny zinc]

im not gonna help ppl anyway

[true hamlet]

try #newplayer-chat-w1🍀w2⏳ There's quite a few people with P and S there if they're online

[golden raft]

I would enjoy this game so much more if I had someone with more knowledge who I could hang out with and get help from

[compact pagoda]

what serv

[true hamlet]

hmm? idk about hanging out but I have a bit of knowledge I think

[thorny zinc]

he is noob

[true hamlet]

oh right Shadow purged his guide smh that guy

[toxic hollow]

peanut 1

[thorny zinc]

what is a guide anyway

[real torrent]

damn i got 4500 secs worth of alch with 130 tent

[toxic hollow]

im at the uh w2 town

[compact pagoda]

what i need to say

[true hamlet]

moreeeeee

[real torrent]

active bubo might get more kills than afk

[true hamlet]

it should

as long as the class has a respawn mechanic, it should outperform afk

[compact pagoda]

what's the line

[toxic hollow]

1 star game sucks!

[real torrent]

it doesnt use the respawn move tho

[true hamlet]

so 1 guy is taking a holiday, no wonder it takes so long

[compact pagoda]

my bad

[barren copper]

Is 541 days afk considered quick

[toxic hollow]

thanks for the help

[minor scroll]

Yea

At lesst 1500

[thorny zinc]

yesno

[barren copper]

I should had waited 2000 more days

[compact pagoda]

need s ?

[toxic hollow]

OHHHH i forgot about that

could you come back please

[compact pagoda]

one sec

[thorny zinc]

btw this was my friend's old account

[inner egret]

lilbro trying to greenstack oak and iron

[thorny zinc]

he just finished w6 2 days ago on his new account

[real torrent]

does anyone have max talent chart?