midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[hardy forge]

got everything under blue this pool(uncommon?) and didnt get anything purple or higher(epic i assume)

[sleek pollen]

was at 2.6k hours
now 1.6k with updated bones, will use later now

[sleek pollen]

legacy or fallen spirit?

[hardy forge]

okay totally didnt remember the colors

but u know what i mean

its not that lame, have something decent but just so annoying to see the pointer just a little bit off the ancient golem lmao

[sleek pollen]

capybara is good since you got to w5 and you started div jail

[minor scroll]

oh sad

[hardy forge]

yeah that helps

[sleek pollen]

also did you take a loot at hole?

[sleek pollen]

but then joc and golem for pushing

never worry about dmg for the rest of w5

[polar geyser]

[hardy forge]

dym the hole with villagers? i dont think i have anything out of that yet

[sleek pollen]

yes that

[sleek pollen]

go visit that daily and do things

[hardy forge]

im mining stones only

[sleek pollen]

oh this fine then

[hardy forge]

cant pick that 2nd quest which needs 900k mining and cant beat 3rd

[minor scroll]

mine stones for opal

[sleek pollen]

well I guess just login is enough for the expand for sediments

[red compass]

u want another hint dadoums?

[spring smelt]

is this ok? or have better choice..... i just need 1 spice for cook

[sleek pollen]

sure

[red compass]

👀

[hardy forge]

also i got like infinite flying wurms

[spring smelt]

for the dharma

[sleek pollen]

doesn't tsar do nothing now

[white path]

I know what it is

[hardy forge]

idk why it occurs so much

[minor scroll]

dont need the fighting pet tho?

[sleek pollen]

[spring smelt]

new upd not using fight pet now

[minor scroll]

ye

[full beacon]

lmao one green balloon did lvl 51 to lvl 56 cooking

guess it's time to 1k cooking

[red relic]

If you only need 1 spice do something like this

[spring smelt]

wtf 40m

havent unlock converter yet :v gonna try get it rn

[red relic]

you can swap converter for the bunny

or a fleeter

[dark lark]

yo so my combustion thing makes the red salts how do i get it to make the yellow salts cause im needing it for things

[red relic]

actually you can swap in both of those and take the forager out. idk why i have that forager pet with the borger row. i have neglected my spices a bit since getting what i needed

[spring smelt]

okk

[red relic]

the 2nd row in the refinery is orange salts. you need to unlock it with however many red salts it asks you for. idr the number

[dark lark]

?

this

[hardy forge]

i think thats the third?

[minor scroll]

u refine the 2nd salt

[sleek pollen]

yeah orange salt is 2nd

[hardy forge]

like you need former salt and get the latter salt unlock

then repeat

[dark lark]

ok how do i refine the red salt

like how do i choose what i refine

[sleek pollen]

get gmush cap and copper ore

let it refine and wait like 15m base

[dark lark]

yeah i got those then that gives me red salt

[hardy forge]

theres a toggle on the left of each tab

you can turn them on/off

[sleek pollen]

then with the red salt + gigafrog horn and forest fibre you'll get orange salt

[dark lark]

ok

thanks

[spring smelt]

ty bro 😄 saved bunch of my time

[red relic]

if you have this vman skill up to 150 you can go kill mobs on windwalker and get that spice even faster!

[dreamy solar]

Guys I finally unlocked my first borger

[red relic]

mmm now you can have a good meal

[spring smelt]

every time he kill 1 mobs? or have chance

[dreamy solar]

50% chance

[red relic]

50% chance for each kill. i don't know if multikill applies at all

[arctic yarrow]

morning

[sleek pollen]

elo

[minor scroll]

hi faze

[arctic yarrow]

so im over 75 on lab for everyone. got the elephant. should they just stay there till i get all god?

[minor scroll]

just put them on div till kitty god

[red relic]

at least get god 8 (purremp) as the last 2 gods just have blessings and no acutal link bonuses

[polar geyser]

dont we all love single lane fair plays

its so fun

[red relic]

i love holding my thumb to my phone for 20min+

[arctic yarrow]

so unlink goat? put artics back on with omni for pocket div?

[polar geyser]

do you have 2 links in hole?

[arctic yarrow]

yup

[sleek pollen]

75 wasn't necessary, just omni

[arctic yarrow]

everyone on snake

[polar geyser]

cause then you do active arctis, with 1 dude on purrmep, and then in hole omni and goat

[minor scroll]

main link arctis, pocket harriep and omni ig

[polar geyser]

that one dude on purrmep is an es aswell

[sleek pollen]

and purr does almost nothing if you don't push for other gods past that, I'd just say go for hole jail now, or whatever other jail you do

[arctic yarrow]

well they got over 75 while i was getting the div for omni

[sleek pollen]

oh x)

[arctic yarrow]

[arctic yarrow]

gonna take like 5 weeks to move everyone over to arctis then

[polar geyser]

did you jsut unlock purrmep?

[arctic yarrow]

not yet

[polar geyser]

when you unlock a god

it resets the unlink timer

[minor scroll]

arent there a free unlink for god unlock

[arctic yarrow]

isnt it 1 use only?

[polar geyser]

also on top of that, you dont do unlink 1 per one

you do all at once

[arctic yarrow]

how?

[polar geyser]

one sec

gimme 45 minutes to finish this last life of fairplay

[minor scroll]

lol

[arctic yarrow]

lmao sure.

[minor scroll]

when u prpess the unlink button on 1 character, does it show a blue popup

[sleek pollen]

2 unlink per week but you can unlink more than one character (like one to 10)

[daring kiln]

Yay new food unlocked

[sleek pollen]

lava really needs to word it better or make a tuto-ish too for that, too many people falling for it

[polar geyser]

yeahhhhh who would ever do that...

[arctic yarrow]

ohhhhhh u can do this lmao

[polar geyser]

time to afk for 45 seconds cause triple health

the feed face is beautiful

do i hit 2000B

i dooooo

[daring kiln]

Is it bad when ur biggest hindrance for menu is unlocking new foods

[polar geyser]

nah thats normal

okay yeah fuck this for another week

[daring kiln]

Ok cause I just unlocked wild boar and everything else before that is lv 11 or higher

[polar geyser]

do you have dchef prismad?

[sleek pollen]

you haven't tasted a 'true' fair play endless until it's fair play + 3 row only

[polar geyser]

i refer you back to this

[daring kiln]

Nope I don't have ac unlocked and didn't get lucky in summer event

[polar geyser]

youll understand it so much more once you get that

[dreamy solar]

Prismad mine today. Cook speed went from 15T to like 40QQQ lmao

[frigid abyss]

Does anyone have a doot?

[minor scroll]

@woeful wyvern

[sleek pollen]

oh my bad

[polar geyser]

i had turkey at like level 60 before i got dchef prisma'ed with like half the meals

[polar geyser]

i wish

[daring kiln]

Yeah my best station has 367 million cooking speed

[polar geyser]

im catching you dadoums

[frigid abyss]

Who?

[minor scroll]

that

[sleek pollen]

[polar geyser]

e9 more to go

[frigid abyss]

?

[polar geyser]

do you have meals maxed btw dadoums

[sleek pollen]

e10

[sleek pollen]

nope, didn't prisma diamond chef

but surely can for turkey, and proly the other after it

[polar geyser]

hes pulling awayyyyy

[polar geyser]

okay bet, i just wanted a judgement on when id be able to max mine out, so looks like e100 would probably do a good majority right

and then the 100k ladles on like yumi and all the last ones at once probably bumps them to max

[sleek pollen]

yeah could do that, or the meals people would do is like yumi, all cooking speed and sum other, like skill eff or idk

[polar geyser]

i wonder what point i should switch these out aswell

[polar geyser]

ohhhh true cooking speed in general would just boost up the rest

but tbf, when i do my 100k ladles ill be at like e85-90 anyway

[sleek pollen]

could go for other shinies 🤷‍♂️

[polar geyser]

i got backups waiting atm

[white path]

I see a duck in there

[polar geyser]

im just trying to decide what level to switch them out at before the like grindddd for them starts

[polar geyser]

[sleek pollen]

thats one big breeding storage

[polar geyser]

i wish, thats just every slot as a shiny, i was tempted to buy slots so i could get the rest of them

if i ever decide i want 1 of my eggs its like oh okay storage full time to move it and then do the next

imagine using breedability and genetic multis and not just rawdogging a 1/2000m chance down to a 1/700 chance

time to let them all be freeeee now

all of them are split between every island, they will collect me resources, i will take my resources and reinvest them into the ships and have 20 level 10000 ships in mere moments surelyyyyy

[white path]

Time for the next sailing grind

[polar geyser]

getting all the resources for bubbles?

[white path]

Level 300 boat for the achievement

[polar geyser]

ohhhhhh that ones easy tbf

might be able to do it right now

[quick plank]

is there a later game dish i should be saving my free ribbons for? or is there something earlyish i can use them on

[polar geyser]

yumi peachring

almost

[sleek pollen]

first boat always the one with most upgrade x)

[limpid bough]

hiii jake

[polar geyser]

i was saving the 200b for all ender captains ngl

but the achievement got the better of me

[limpid bough]

im now out of break and now just hella lazy

[polar geyser]

hiiiii, how are you

[limpid bough]

goood

[polar geyser]

you back on the grind but lazily?

[limpid bough]

yes

did a shit ton of ww today

[polar geyser]

i can make you feel motivated with lots of screenshots

[limpid bough]

uhmm

[polar geyser]

like this one

[limpid bough]

that does the opposite. /lh

[polar geyser]

if i can do it, you can too

[limpid bough]

ive had all boats at fury because break uhmm

[sleek pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[limpid bough]

ive gotten like TWO 0.02% chests

[sleek pollen]

nooo Marion you can do it!

[polar geyser]

do your justice

[limpid bough]

my sailing is pretty cooked

[zinc thorn]

how

[limpid bough]

I got my first justice chests today

[polar geyser]

lets goooooo

[limpid bough]

ive done like 6 runs total.

[zinc thorn]

How do you do sailing?

[polar geyser]

world 5

[zinc thorn]

ah

[sleek pollen]

I did things, and played for a while

[zinc thorn]

Im just getting into world 4

[limpid bough]

can I send my IT so you can help boost me a lil

[polar geyser]

i did things, and rushed

[polar geyser]

ill do my best to help out

actually i dont even need the it

[limpid bough]

https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=MaryEnas

still had to upload again

[polar geyser]

it updates if i reload the page and you updated it

[limpid bough]

focus on like small things I can do rather than projects

brb

[sleek pollen]

[thorny zinc]

damn thats crazy i have no chance clearing it soon then

[white path]

I'm still gonna try

[thorny zinc]

i was thinking to stop pushing at some point to do more lab but he only has 90% crit chance and he still did it

so idk if its really necesary

[sleek pollen]

tried to clear maccies, left after 3rd cycle instead

[thorny zinc]

can i send you smth?

[sleek pollen]

sure

[robust marsh]

hello mista intern

why is this slow

[polar geyser]

shadowwww have you seen the progress today

[strange prism]

is pain

molti hourly is good tho so there that ig

[sleek pollen]

elo mista squid man

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-hello-hi-silly-kitten-cat-wave-hello-gif-15245852903591135367

https://tenor.com/view/spiritus-shrimp-shrimp-rave-beer-seafood-gif-21993919

[robust marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-wave-emoji-cat-wave-cat-wave-gif-17826137474354671565

[thorny zinc]

yeah thats why i wanted to push it too but im not ready yet

but gg how are your gains now?

[robust marsh]

yay food thanks mista intern

[strange prism]

I just dont understand how people cleared it with the stats shown in the guide

[robust marsh]

are we talking about that frozen pig in w3?

[red compass]

the only member of the zoo that truly works

[limpid bough]

back

[robust marsh]

it just fun

[strange prism]

... sure..

[sleek pollen]

oh well...

[red compass]

mean u dadoums for feedin him lol

[sleek pollen]

[robust marsh]

i cleared it while in w4

shad not able to do it/?

[hidden seal]

did refinery get changed theres only auto refine and off? no stages to auto refine?

[indigo stratus]

You refine or you dont

[hardy forge]

its weird anyways to have auto refine at 30% or smth. theres just no point to do so

[red compass]

well its at 0.01% but ye

[thorny zinc]

def not doable

[limpid bough]

wind walker am I right guys

[red compass]

👎

[polar geyser]

First things first;
QoL;
-Get Bags on all your guys, youre missing like w1-5 bags on pretty much everyone can forget the a-h etc just the like snake bag, mimic bag, mammoth bag

-split some of your gfoods onto all your characters youve got all your kebabs, grilled cheese and stuff on like one dude can make all of them pretty decently up

Mini Work Ons;
-Go collect all your minibosses, if you havent already with the break youll have stacked up a lot if you have ignore this i just wanted to check in advance

-Finish off a few of your constellations that are easy like getting mage to mining spot, could spend a couple candies and get the afk ones done too, its not that bad after a while ive got to the point i burned my candies and im making back a decent chunk of them on giants now

-Claim all your anvil tabstheyre all full

-Go collect your bottles and trash from the islands might be able to get a new island, and bribes etc

-Do your killroy and weekly boss

-put on some void bars into the furnace your nullo isnt producing anything cause no bars and maybe top up a couple of the mats with a candy or two to keep em going blues at 11h

-put another level into your equinox will be full atm

-work on getting kattlekruk set bonus you already have the armor

-go claim your chips from lab

-could probably push your rift 2 more times cause you have easy ones atm

-get your bucket rate up a bit on the measure cause you have a lot now for that to level it a bit

[limpid bough]

WOW

[thorny zinc]

[red compass]

[robust marsh]

idleoners cant read

[red compass]

we aint readin all that

[thorny zinc]

i got jumpscared by words

[polar geyser]

i think i did good

[limpid bough]

forgot totm was a thing and I got like 8 wind rings 😭

[robust marsh]

you should have explained in parts

[polar geyser]

theyre all seperated in lines

[hollow cave]

for sake of this do you have all infinites or are you missing one of the starsign sources I thinik I have em all with only 7 levels in the star sign ones

[robust marsh]

like do 100 parts of that

[thorny zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/neon-white-get-real-gif-25021141

[polar geyser]

she has like this where its done just not claimed

[thorny zinc]

Trappers Follkey

[hardy forge]

im just so blind to find any contellations on maps

[hollow cave]

I don't mean having all the star signs themselves I was asking if you had enough infinites (80 some) to cover all available ones since you could swap those shinies out

[hardy forge]

so i just totally ignore star signs

[polar geyser]

https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Star_Signs

[robust marsh]

pls take the help of wiki

[limpid bough]

theres a constellation there???

[indigo stratus]

How do I unock star signs?

[thorny zinc]

yes

[red compass]

[steel gyro]

Idleon toolbox also can help with constellation

[robust marsh]

constelation thingys

[thorny zinc]

how can i get enough accuracy to fight gmushes?

[hardy forge]

do the tree in w1

its on top of the tree

[steel gyro]

If the constellation require multiple character to finish it, it will show you which character has done it

[robust marsh]

beat the guardian samurai and grind armore rings do all the things in all worlds and you will have enough

[indigo stratus]

You get accuracy from eating food and training. Put food on your character and fight until your accuracy goes up

[thorny zinc]

@strange prism did you removed respawn on some point or didnt bothered?

[polar geyser]

where do you lot chuck your shrines in world 5 so they dont block everything in sight

[strange prism]

Once I spawned enough in to clear it

[robust marsh]

why are this last meals hard to lvlup

[strange prism]

if I didnt, definitely wouldve lost

[minor scroll]

in the gaming cave

[strange prism]

barely beat it with 1 second left ;-;

[thorny zinc]

[polar geyser]

you fit them all in here?

[indigo stratus]

Next to slab, has plenty of space

[polar geyser]

i like it picasso

[robust marsh]

or like this?

[polar geyser]

actually tbf slab does have a lot of space

[sleek pollen]

doesn't it hide the crop and the lil tab for it?

[minor scroll]

on top of the sneaking tower :D

[polar geyser]

w6 i do it on the sneaking tower

[sleek pollen]

yeah I think I put at the plateform before slab to the altar

[robust marsh]

no

[sleek pollen]

oh alr

[polar geyser]

oooo you reckon here?

[robust marsh]

what if i want to

[thorny zinc]

yeah need more stats but its better than the last time

[sleek pollen]

yeah from where you are to the altar, I think all but 3 fit on that one?

[sleek pollen]

sick

[sleek pollen]

not that it matters where we put them anyway

[sleek pollen]

[thorny zinc]

this map is wild

[polar geyser]

this aint baddd tbf

[sleek pollen]

surely lava will change things on AC when update release :copium:

[woeful wyvern]

Who pinged

[polar geyser]

and you can still click on the gods without any issues massiveeee

[sleek pollen]

idk

[thorny zinc]

i will just wait 4 days, unlock verdon and then try again

[polar geyser]

sclythe did someone said about doot

[woeful wyvern]

🕴️

[robust marsh]

idk +1

[hollow cave]

I just hope we get AC afk and it's not only until next MC

[frigid abyss]

@woeful wyvern oh yea do you have a tradable doot by chance?

[thorny zinc]

that will be really scary as i dont need to accidentally click on it 😭

[sleek pollen]

should be hopefully with w7

[woeful wyvern]

Nah man, I'm f2p, sclythe is tripping

[hollow cave]

just make sure you actually gather the shards before claiming and don't see the update and accidentally claim on update itself

[thorny zinc]

yep

[robust marsh]

dont you need to farm the 1000 things before getting it

[hollow cave]

yea that's what I'm hoping on the first W7 update if not earlier

[thorny zinc]

just imagine

[thorny zinc]

i have 2

[hollow cave]

would be a tragedy to see

[sleek pollen]

yes but 2 AC, so one stack big afk hours the other will farm it

its account wide once you unlock the afk option

[thorny zinc]

this is the real one

[robust marsh]

ok i understand

[frigid abyss]

I only have 1 so imma just get the 1k on the update and just not use my AC for 2 months

[sleek pollen]

so low level

[polar geyser]

it might be time for me to only log in like once a day etc to claim my db at this point and do my dailies on him and then move over my sb and vman over time to different spots

[sleek pollen]

basically x)

[thorny zinc]

do you want me to level it up to 750?

[red compass]

insult his DB

[sleek pollen]

you get the afk option, then forget for a few month until a few upgrade or when you want and you active like DK for statues/gfood

[thorny zinc]

my db isnt even 700 yet

[sleek pollen]

1k

[thorny zinc]

[limpid bough]

500m/2.1b oh boyyy

[sleek pollen]

okay so I laugh at you, and you laught at me okay?

[sleek pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/tohsaka-laugh-fun-fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya-anime-gif-17608096

[sleek pollen]

[red compass]

[polar geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-spit-drink-gif-15962434655473821932

[thorny zinc]

ez

[red compass]

not 650 AND no bovinae

[limpid bough]

is the talent max order same as book order for ww

[sleek pollen]

level'd him long before 4th year nametag and ww and ww's robe 🤷‍♂️

[sleek pollen]

book all

[polar geyser]

id guess sooooo

but book all eventually yeah

[sleek pollen]

[limpid bough]

ok so ballista then deer

[sleek pollen]

I guess it's the skilling then yeah

or fighting straight up

[polar geyser]

also yeah skilling up is a good shout, its what i did to get quite a few of mine thanks to shadow reminding me about it

[limpid bough]

whar

[polar geyser]

skilling level also gives talent points

[limpid bough]

oh right

[thorny zinc]

only w1-w3 skills

[limpid bough]

ofc

might only do ww for the next few days

[red compass]

no summoning

sneaking i mean

[limpid bough]

ill prolly just drop 12 hours of candy at each skill

[red compass]

im slow af holy

i need sleep

[thorny zinc]

sneaking would be wild

[limpid bough]

cons would be wilder

[thorny zinc]

who needs sleep when you can play idleon

[limpid bough]

wind needs to be walked

[polar geyser]

e walked

weve had edating now we have ewalking

[sleek pollen]

definitely not me when it's 5am and I need to go to the uni at 7am

[thorny zinc]

just play warframe

[limpid bough]

no.

play like minecraft dungeons or something

[thorny zinc]

mc dungeons has a goofy ah bugged achievement never playing again

[limpid bough]

who cares about the achievements

[robust marsh]

i dont need good atk or hp just overwelm them with numbers

[thorny zinc]

[sleek pollen]

bet

[limpid bough]

nooooooooo

[strange prism]

warframe

[lean mural]

anyone wanna run the W3 dungeon, try and beat the 3rd boss?

[strange prism]

This hasnt changed my crit at all in the last 4 upgrades

[indigo stratus]

Hit me up tmrw and ill try.

[strange prism]

oml damage, I need to sleep

[lean mural]

sounds good!

[thorny zinc]

crit damage mr aod

4 days of farming non stop for 100 upgrades

[limpid bough]

should I just wait for elemental 17

[strange prism]

havent tested the other types yet, but im stuck at moltis for 24 hours, its very nice

[strange prism]

whats the unlock

[thorny zinc]

verdon

[limpid bough]

next 2 abom upgrades are huge why didnt I do those.....

[thorny zinc]

you trolling

[limpid bough]

neyeptune and bloodbone

cheaper compass and damage for hp

[thorny zinc]

this will take a while

oh right i could add in the how to get talent points section masterclasses too

[limpid bough]

yessss

[limpid bough]

why is this taking so long I doubled my sheet damage 💔

[uneven jay]

guide?

[limpid bough]

is this the standard now for aboms

[thorny zinc]

?

[median ridge]

do these cards boost AFK skilling gains from stuff like fishing/mining/chopping?

[thorny zinc]

no

drop rate only affect mob drops

[median ridge]

gotta drill that into my head. keep thing THIS one must

[median ridge]

surely this works for skilling though right?

since mining drops cards?

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[tardy shadow]

does being linked to arctis and goharut mean that i get divinity gains without having to be in the lab or on the div altar, since i count as always being in lab?

didnt mean to ask here whoops

[thorny zinc]

also higher mining efficiency might help with getting cards too

[thorny zinc]

nope

[craggy pelican]

How does bossing vain work

[thorny zinc]

you kill the boss (in speedrun) and get +1 portal and mob respawn for that speedrun

also killing the highest difficulty counts as 3 portals

[craggy pelican]

Wait but I killed a boss during a speed run and I didn't get any talent points

[thorny zinc]

you probably didnt made a highscore

[craggy pelican]

Ohh

Does killing bosses always give portals? Or does it have to be a new one

[thorny zinc]

always

because when you start a speedrun you always start with 0 portals

you dont continue from where you finished last time

[craggy pelican]

What if I've killed a boss that boss already

In that run I mean

[thorny zinc]

you can get 3 portals per boss

you either get 1 portal per boss if you kill the normal difficulty or 3 if you kill the highest one

so killing all bosses on highest diff will help getting more portals

[craggy pelican]

So I can only get 1 portal if I kill the normal boss once per speedrun and then killing that boss again won't give anyway

Or so if I kill that boss once it won't give me a portal again

[honest cradle]

you can also do the middle for 2

[craggy pelican]

Yeah but does killing it again give portals?

[red relic]

whoops i crashed my game during W3 TD

i spammed from 110 to 120 and then the save thing popped up and then i kept spamming waves up to ~150 until my game crashed

[thorny zinc]

every speedrun bosses will give portals

[craggy pelican]

What if I kill the same boss twice in 1 speedrun

Same difficulty same boss

[thorny zinc]

you wont get anything killing multiple times in the same speedrun

[craggy pelican]

So if I kill a boss on one difficulty once, I can't kill it again in the same speedrun for more portals? What about on another difficulty?

[thorny zinc]

you kill every boss once per speedrun

[honest cradle]

I have not tested battling again on a different difficulty

I would just fight the strongest version I could kill

[thorny zinc]

just kill it on the highest difficulty and thats all...

its a speedrun you need to be fast..

[honest cradle]

that is the question hes asking, I am not saying I disagree with that sentiment lol

[thorny zinc]

i dont know if you can kill the boss more times but different difficulty but its not efficient anyway

[crisp sorrel]

U can kill the same boss multiple times but it wont give any portals if u do the same difficulty

[thorny zinc]

...

do you read?

[honest cradle]

I assume the person just tested it and is giving feeback from it

[thorny zinc]

if not i will test it next time im doing a speedrun

not again

[crisp sorrel]

There is no need to test it. A portal already opened won't give more points

[thorny zinc]

[thorny zinc]

HE IS ASKING IF YOU CAN KILL A BOSS ON NORMAL DIFFICULTY THEN KILL ON THE HIGHEST DIFF AND GET THE OTHER 2 PORTALS

[honest cradle]

I have avoided endless summoning

[crisp sorrel]

Of course u can

[honest cradle]

But fair play is unfun for sure

[thorny zinc]

i dont even know if i can do it

i should be able but its rng

[honest cradle]

praydge for sparky

[thorny zinc]

classic no sparky

[strange prism]

too ez

[thorny zinc]

[gloomy rapids]

so i unlocked lab how important is it? should i now be printing all resources i need ? and rest charchters in lab

[thorny zinc]

you just reached w4 right?

[gloomy rapids]

yep

well i’m on map 3

[thorny zinc]

then throw everyone in lab except for squire and push to map 4

[gloomy rapids]

gotchu and what about after that?

[thorny zinc]

push with dk to w5

[gloomy rapids]

so keep everyone in lab?

[thorny zinc]

while everyone else is afk in lab

yeah with x2 kills node active

[gloomy rapids]

gotchu

so stop skilling for now ?

[thorny zinc]

yep

you can print if you need resources

[gloomy rapids]

so sample all the resources i need, put everyone in lab, push with dk

[thorny zinc]

yep

[gloomy rapids]

gotchu thank you

[thorny zinc]

also before starting to push unlock all elite classes

forgot to tell you mb

push all to map 4 one by one first for elite classes

[gloomy rapids]

ohhh okay so i got quite a while to go

[strange prism]

Uge

[thorny zinc]

time to push to 33

[gloomy rapids]

what the heck is that

[thorny zinc]

w5 thing

[gloomy rapids]

gotcha

[thorny zinc]

its just click click click

[strange prism]

.. ew

[gloomy rapids]

i was told i need to get amarok armour on all my charchter i only got it on 1 atm rest have iron which worked for all of world 3 but it doesnt cut it for world 4 lmao

[strange prism]

hes forgetting to explain that every +1 from that point on takes hours to get

[indigo stratus]

Shadow forgot to mention, push shaman to elite class. Earliest lab exp gains. Then push each class one by one for elite

[thorny zinc]

[gloomy rapids]

oh my word

my shaman is sh*t

[thorny zinc]

hey i need to catch up to qwaser

[unborn dome]

Wait if I am not wrong is there only 1 or are there many master classes?

Because I just heard of the deathbringer

[strange prism]

needs n wants

[atomic scroll]

there's 3, currently

[unborn dome]

What are they?

[indigo stratus]

Youre wrong, there are 3

[unborn dome]

Since I only heard of deathbringer

[strange prism]

how many crops are there, curious how close I am to finished

[thorny zinc]

Arcane cultist, deathbringer and wind walker

[thorny zinc]

230 rn

[strange prism]

ooo

[atomic scroll]

DeathBringer, WindWalker, Arcane Cultist

[gloomy rapids]

okay i better leave this chat before i get overwhelmed holy cow

[thorny zinc]

and you need like E155 or smth crop evo chance

[strange prism]

not too far off then

[unborn dome]

Arcane cultist for the elemental sorcerer deathbringer for blood berserker and wth is wind walker

[thorny zinc]

AC is for bubo

[unborn dome]

Lemme go search up wtf is. Bubo

[thorny zinc]

...

[unborn dome]

Ohhh

[atomic scroll]

AC is Bubonic Conjuror's masterclass

[unborn dome]

The shaman class from mage

So basically like mustard gas aight

[thorny zinc]

how is qwaser pushing 40+ sanctum...im already going insane

[strange prism]

non manual means

[indigo stratus]

Clicker or carpal tunnel, gonna go with first one

[strange prism]

pretty obv

[thorny zinc]

[indigo stratus]

The odds get terrible around mid 20? Even with grinding out %

[thorny zinc]

tbh with a good illuminate chance its not that bad. it takes 1-2 hours from what i saw

with breaks (my hand hurts)

[pallid kernel]

I got to 37 and stopped

[thorny zinc]

pretty good tbh

i might stop at 35

[pallid kernel]

Yeah I prob will never touch it again

[thorny zinc]

understandable

[indigo stratus]

Until caverns 16-20 add spawn rate collectible

[pallid kernel]

There better not be more fuckin collectibles

Still can’t get minceraft

[thorny zinc]

[pallid kernel]

At 0% even with enchanted collectible chance collectible

[strange prism]

.. yikes

I stopped at 22

[vocal topaz]

Does the rank of the salt ever reset

[thorny zinc]

no

[pallid kernel]

W7 refinery prestige system?

[thorny zinc]

[strange prism]

im down

[pallid kernel]

Dk mc- permanently consume red salt ranks for resource %

[thorny zinc]

what is this nerd doing here

[pallid kernel]

Gotta go to new server

It’s corrupted

[thorny zinc]

wow that was fast lmao

literally 21 minutes

[limpid bough]

neyeptune abom just died

[thorny zinc]

good job

[limpid bough]

took 2 hours im scared

[thorny zinc]

[mint quartz]

🔥

[limpid bough]

HOLY SHIT MY BOW

only a 1/5 and its 62 wp 😭

very lucky base

[thorny zinc]

CRAZY

[mint quartz]

AGAIN RAAHH

[thorny zinc]

WTF

[limpid bough]

imagine doing justice

[mint quartz]

3????

[thorny zinc]

....

[mint quartz]

[thorny zinc]

insane run

[mint quartz]

actually insane run

[thorny zinc]

lmao

[mint quartz]

that more than makes up for weeks of bad runs

[thorny zinc]

im too dumb to have a good run in justice

so thats why im going for 24k bravery

[mint quartz]

its just luck

[strange prism]

pretty much maxed your justice % from that

[mint quartz]

barely any timmys and grateful harbinger almost every 10 rounds

[thorny zinc]

i got 5 timmys in today run

[gloomy rapids]

shadow

[thorny zinc]

yes

[gloomy rapids]

i am so sorry if this is dumb so okay so i got elite class on my squire would i like put him in the lab now? get others to elite one by one and then switch back to my dk for pushing to world 5?

[thorny zinc]

yeah put him in lab and get the other elites first

[gloomy rapids]

got you

[thorny zinc]

i should prob start doing w4 guide first as this is where ppl get stuck

[gloomy rapids]

whats better for amarok slabs chaotic or normal ?

[thorny zinc]

depends on how much keys you have. i think normal? i might be wrong

[gloomy rapids]

i have 26

[thorny zinc]

yeah def normal

[gloomy rapids]

i need a ton of slabs out of the 26

so you make guides ?

[thorny zinc]

only made an accuracy guide and now im working on a sheet with pretty much all the guides made by others

[gloomy rapids]

well i’m interested !

[limpid bough]

this guy is the accuracy man

[thorny zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y1-SMEM6jFZPfJ3qQHKFHighqB_i4LpI_kowPwetgcY/edit?usp=sharing

[limpid bough]

be sure to ask him and only him about accuracy

[gloomy rapids]

thank you, also last thing amarok on all my charchters is what i should be going for right ?

[arctic yarrow]

ping shadow for alchemy too

[thorny zinc]

yeah amarok till you can craft troll set

you can also start crafting the others sets too for set bonuses if you have smithy unlocked

[gloomy rapids]

sure do

[unborn dome]

forgot about my other idleon acc

the dude was fighting mushrooms for atleast 3 years

[thorny zinc]

lmao

[gloomy rapids]

so shadow this is going to be my dumbest question yet, i seriously don’t get the refinery i need refinery ranks i have the fuel and everything is on but no refinery ranks at all solution ?

[unborn dome]

1431 days

[thorny zinc]

!refinery

[candid scarab]

The refinery will produce salts on a cycle as long as you have the required materials in your chest when the timer hits 0. In order to increase the rank of a salt in the refinery, you have to let your power bar for the salt completely fill before refining.

To stay salt positive, follow this process. Make sure to grab the merit shop upgrades and always rank up Red and Green salts.

[unborn dome]

OF PURE FROG FIGHTING

[thorny zinc]

pretty much works like this: always rank up red and green and for the rest follow that guide

[gloomy rapids]

gotcha

[unborn dome]

LEMME SEND A SCREENSHOT

mass genocide

[thorny zinc]

only 11m kills smh

[unborn dome]

bro he was like lv 10

hes now lv 78

[thorny zinc]

xd

[unborn dome]

i got a question WHEN DO MY TELEPORTS COME BACK

[thorny zinc]

you get them daily

[atomic scroll]

every daily reset

[unborn dome]

i still have 0 from yesterday

[limpid bough]

WHAT THE FUCK I GOT A 4/5 BOW

[thorny zinc]

huh?

[limpid bough]

NO STONE SLOT UPGRADE NO 500 STONE THING

[thorny zinc]

damn

wait wdym

[atomic scroll]

wow

[thorny zinc]

wdym by no stone slot

[limpid bough]

something like 50% chance not to consume stone slot if fail

[thorny zinc]

oh

[unborn dome]

my dude was fighting frogs for a solid 4 YEARS

[atomic scroll]

he means the stone failsafe upgrade

[limpid bough]

she

[thorny zinc]

he

[atomic scroll]

oops, my bad

[thorny zinc]

my dude Marion

[limpid bough]

ok now what I have a god bow 😭

[limpid bough]

please dont

ok got a 58 BASE bow right after wtf is happening

ok time for dust% I got everything else I need

[gloomy rapids]

wait okay so why isn’t my squire getting any refinery ranks but my others do

[unborn dome]

F- I LEFT MY STAMP

i had a accuracy stamp but left it SCHEISE

[thorny zinc]

wdym by that

you mean construction level?

[gloomy rapids]

i need refinery ranks for precision power

[limpid bough]

should I push to floms for better dust or head straight for bloodbone abom

[thorny zinc]

yeah it works

[gloomy rapids]

are refinery ranks for all charchters

[atomic scroll]

smh, you should've looted it

[thorny zinc]

yeah its not based on characters

[gloomy rapids]

ohhh weird yesterday i had 50% accuracy from it and 0 on every charchter but 1

like 0 on 1 0 on other

[thorny zinc]

this talent only gives accuracy/damage for dk not for others

[gloomy rapids]

oh maybe i was looking at a different one .. i’m a bit slow my bad grind time

[red relic]

if i stop missing hh i may be able to get equinox symbols soon

[atomic scroll]

for the latter, if you think you have enough DPS to kill the bloodbone abom in a few hours, then do it

[limpid bough]

def not a few minutes, neyeptune took 2 hours lol

[atomic scroll]

yeah, meant a few hours, let me fix that

[limpid bough]

with the new bow I might be able to

ill hit 10m solardust then start getting the moondust needed

[thorny zinc]

it really slows down from 400+

[midnight tapir]

Jooo i am wondering what are the best spots in each world to farm DNA splices?

[thorny zinc]

basically where you have the highest kills per hour

in w1 is probably frogs

[midnight tapir]

Okey good to know thank you

[mint quartz]

w1 - frogs
w2 - sand giant
w3 - stache
w4 - cans

[atomic scroll]

for the former, yeah, you should push to the flombeiges map for more solardust, if you have enough moondust to unlock it that is

[thorny zinc]

nerd

remind me tomorrow to try get chest medalions

[mint quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[limpid bough]

chest medalions sound like actual torture

[thorny zinc]

they are yeah

also event medalions and event mobs medalions

[limpid bough]

disgusting.

[red relic]

gotta get those colo chest xp gains

[limpid bough]

where can I check ww portal costs

[thorny zinc]

its about ww damage

[red relic]

or is that what medallions do?

ah

[mint quartz]

toolbox > compass > portal

[limpid bough]

uh oh

[mighty temple]

Unless I do something to increase my Breed multi, it takes an ENTIRE YEAR to get their Breed levels at five.

[limpid bough]

hes in w3 chat now

[mighty temple]

AAAAAUGH!

[thorny zinc]

or you active ww

[limpid bough]

yep that works

[red relic]

better get on it then

[thorny zinc]

this exists

[limpid bough]

doesnt lamp give breedability speed?

[thorny zinc]

yes

[mint quartz]

farming will give the biggest multi

but any multi is nice

[red relic]

gotta become a crop farm before you become an animal farmer

[true hamlet]

lmao, takes a few minutes to get the to 5 for me

[thorny zinc]

hm i could get the achievement while i wait for lab levels

[true hamlet]

[thorny zinc]

yeah 5 its few minutes, 7 tho

[true hamlet]

my breedability isn't that good

oh yeah, they haven't broken down the door

[limpid bough]

798m moondust for the bloodbone portal
305m moondust for clammy portal

lava what are we doing

[thorny zinc]

oh lol im actually close

and i can finally move back to shinies

god this is really expensive..

[true hamlet]

hmm

it's as expensive as you make it to be

[limpid bough]

get good

[true hamlet]

anyways, it's not good if you're hard pushing for it

[thorny zinc]

gains are bad..

[limpid bough]

yikessss

[true hamlet]

so imo that was an absolute waste of moons for you 😂

[thorny zinc]

bro knew i used moons

[limpid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-cat-mocking-gif-13935821400850516732

[mighty temple]

Show us your Breed Multi

[limpid bough]

omg I hit 100m moondust an hour!!

[mighty temple]

Oh wait, you did

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[true hamlet]

meh

[thorny zinc]

i could level this...

[true hamlet]

I could probably increase my breed multi, do you have star sign equipped?

[thorny zinc]

nope

[true hamlet]

what's the breakdown

[thorny zinc]

let me equip it and show you

[true hamlet]

huh.. I guess arcade shop helps lol

[thorny zinc]

yeah it does a bit

but i dont have it maxed or smth

[true hamlet]

let me use like 100 balls

[mighty temple]

I have it at Level 28

[thorny zinc]

balls

[true hamlet]

I have it at 12

28k multi

[mint quartz]

[true hamlet]

hmm

[thorny zinc]

lmao

[true hamlet]

pig got yoinked

[limpid bough]

dude what 😭

[mighty temple]

BRUH.

[atomic scroll]

what?

[true hamlet]

oh so I'm lacking arcade yeah..

no wonder so pinchy

Well.. I just levelled it

[mighty temple]

Not, little.

[true hamlet]

midgame area prob

[thorny zinc]

new damage

[true hamlet]

oh not bad

yeah there Macro, look at our damage lol

[mighty temple]

That is Late-game breed multi.

What?

[thorny zinc]

nah we are early game

[limpid bough]

I can hit 1m sheet damage with rings hehe

[true hamlet]

we just starting the w6 push

[thorny zinc]

[true hamlet]

don't want too launch too many balls

[thorny zinc]

hm time to play warframe while i wait for level 7 breeding

[limpid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-bird-legs-gif-7418853116988366584

[mighty temple]

Here is mine

[thorny zinc]

💀

[limpid bough]

im curious if I leave ww at soda cans overnight how much abom damage id get

[thorny zinc]

WHAT THE FUCK

[mint quartz]

have you not done any farming

[mighty temple]

Throwing insults at my breed multi?

[true hamlet]

yeah, it's like he hasn't even entered w4 yet kind of Breed multi, don't worry about it

[limpid bough]

deservedly so

curious whats mine

[mighty temple]

I don't have Crop Bonus at all

[true hamlet]

hell, zuiq might have higher breed multi lol

[wraith timber]

blud neglected farming and jade emporium

[limpid bough]

oh thats not...good

[limpid bough]

insane

[mighty temple]

But you have way more than me 💀

[wraith timber]

lemme check mine

[limpid bough]

and? still not good

[mighty temple]

What do you mean still not good?!

[true hamlet]

it's horrendous to be fair

Like.. put a few levels into arcade, lamp and crops take time

Can also consider ribboning the eggplant

[wraith timber]

this is awful

[mighty temple]

More than me 💀

[mint quartz]

i need better meal and lamp

[limpid bough]

lowest bar ever set

[mighty temple]

Showoffs... 💀

[limpid bough]

im mostly missing meals, cooking's been slow

[true hamlet]

even the guys in w1 chat have better breedability

[wraith timber]

submissive mfs

[arctic yarrow]

[true hamlet]

[thorny zinc]

god

[true hamlet]

now that's what I think neglect looks like

[limpid bough]

bro

[thorny zinc]

how is it even possible

[true hamlet]

but Macro set a new record fr

[thorny zinc]

real

[mint quartz]

get to work on your farming and cooking guide

[wraith timber]

poor guy

[thorny zinc]

[mighty temple]

What do you mean "Macro set a new record fr"?!

[thorny zinc]

farming guide will be a pain i will need help with it

[wraith timber]

farming is impossible
gmo stacks too hard i fear

[mint quartz]

record low

[limpid bough]

oh yeah I unlocked land ranks I should check on farming

[wraith timber]

land ranks are huge kinda

[mighty temple]

I don't have it

[arctic yarrow]

bro

[wraith timber]

bro

[thorny zinc]

im close to be able to push 230 crops

[true hamlet]

heh?

how many crops you have

[thorny zinc]

"close" is an exageration but yeah

[thorny zinc]

205

[true hamlet]

that's quite a bit

[thorny zinc]

[arctic yarrow]

still havent unlock land ranks

[mint quartz]

i hit 201 today

[thorny zinc]

E155 was necesary for 230 right?

[true hamlet]

I mean.. to be fair, since you only play around a minute a day, you shouldn't compare to people who play an hour a day

[true hamlet]

idk, can check decay on the wiki

this is my current crop decay

[mint quartz]

last 4 crops

[thorny zinc]

god

[true hamlet]

hmm yeah

e155 seems about right then?

[limpid bough]

I hate farming..

[true hamlet]

0.1% chance

WHEN IS THIS DOOR GOING TO BREAK DOWN

[thorny zinc]

so its literally just reset after reset for night market

[true hamlet]

yeah

[thorny zinc]

yeah i will just do smth else lmao

[true hamlet]

last 3, nearly done pushing my sailing to early game levels

[thorny zinc]

damn you really push that shit

[mighty temple]

Ugh...

[true hamlet]

not really, I just started like a week ago

when the... ballot bonus came around

[thorny zinc]

oh so its not that bad

[true hamlet]

yeah, I forgot about sailing until it appeared lol

I thought sailing was just checking enders every day

[mighty temple]

But still... thanks for saying trolly messages, yay!

[true hamlet]

then the ballot reminded me that there's treasures and sailing xp

[thorny zinc]

i think the only trolly thing here is your account imo

[limpid bough]

what class is best for dog den

[thorny zinc]

dk

[limpid bough]

thanks

[mighty temple]

No, this message for example is trolly

[thorny zinc]

i've seen horrible things in this chat so far but your account is literally a record

[mossy anvil]

Are we choosing violence since morning

[thorny zinc]

my bad

[mossy anvil]

Im in

[mighty temple]

I agree, why are we trolling a struggling user?

[mossy anvil]

Idk didnt read what's above

[limpid bough]

wait wait shadow he posted his IT somewhere

[thorny zinc]

its in my guide

or here in this chat somewhere as i posted it multiple times

[mossy anvil]

No crops, no infinite staraigns, hole not touched?

And cooking dont exist

[thorny zinc]

or in my bio. forgot about that

[limpid bough]

no, macro's IT

[thorny zinc]

ohh i dont think i saw it

[mossy anvil]

But who cares about breedability multi tbh

[thorny zinc]

i do

we need that crit chance

[mighty temple]

Yea, you do

[thorny zinc]

and the achievement

[mighty temple]

With that 30kx, compared to my 7.32x

[limpid bough]

found it
https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=Yellow_Cir

[mossy anvil]

That means u have something to work on no?

[mighty temple]

Are we helping the Yellow Circle object or are we just trolling?

[thorny zinc]

let me see

no slush skulls equipped. he is fine

[thorny zinc]

do you have prisma bubbles?

[mighty temple]

I have several prisma bubbles, including Laaarrryyyyy

[thorny zinc]

i mean you can double dchef?

[gloomy rapids]

shadow

[mighty temple]

No. I don't have enough Prisma Bubbles to do it.
6/10

[gloomy rapids]

are these decent things to be printing i never focused printing before much

[woeful wyvern]

Fazer u must breed properly

[limpid bough]

check his prints

[still juniper]

Does anyone know how to get twisty leafs I need for a quest

[thorny zinc]

def try getting enough to double it. active a bit more AC

will help a lot

[mighty temple]

Actual good advice, thanks!

[still juniper]

Does anyone know how to get twisty leafs I need for a quest anyone anyone at all

[limpid bough]

palm tree, crabcake map

[gloomy rapids]

shadow

[still juniper]

Ty

[true hamlet]

doubling diamond chef? crazy

[thorny zinc]

you could def start getting your obols done, silver pop and dice obols

[thorny zinc]

i guess?

[gloomy rapids]

im sorry aha

[mighty temple]

Thank you! And that's on my DK

[true hamlet]

Seems fine, start working towards 90% sample size

[thorny zinc]

you pretty much print logs on mages, ores on dks fish on db, catching bugs on sb and mob mats on vman and ww

[true hamlet]

no it's not, because that's family tab 😂

[thorny zinc]

thats the family tab

[mighty temple]

HUH?!

[thorny zinc]

also dont forget to reroll obols too

[mighty temple]

I thought you showed my DK Orbs!

[true hamlet]

trolling smh

[gloomy rapids]

it seems i always have things to do for at least 1-3 hours a day is that going to change ? because i quite like playing this game

[true hamlet]

is that a good thing.. or a bad thing..

There's always things to do, just whether you can be bothered or not

[thorny zinc]

i need to go for like 10 minutes or so, brb

[true hamlet]

playing like an hour a day is enough to progress though, anything else is for faster or more minmaxxy progression

[gloomy rapids]

awesome 🙂

[mighty temple]

What should I do for DR Obols? Go on my DK and farm on Gigafrogs?

[mint quartz]

you farm them on es

[limpid bough]

use ES

[mighty temple]

HUH?! ES instead of DK?!

[limpid bough]

yeah

[true hamlet]

yeah?

[mighty temple]

Why?
Why ES over DK?

[true hamlet]

because, portal

[mint quartz]

es is for farming first page drops
dk farms rare bag drops

[mighty temple]

And for dice Obols, is it DK?

[thorny zinc]

Right i should add how you farm dr obols in the dr section

And how to reroll in w2 guide

[mighty temple]

DK on Sandcastles, right?

[thorny zinc]

No

[limpid bough]

snelbies

[true hamlet]

tyson/sandy pot

[thorny zinc]

Sandy pots or tysons

[thorny zinc]

What the fuck

[limpid bough]

oh.

I remember when me and Jake were on the obol grind we were at snelbies 😭

[thorny zinc]

...

[mint quartz]

someone spread misinformation somewhere

[thorny zinc]

We gotta finish those guides faster..

[mossy anvil]

Pots>tyson

[mighty temple]

My DR on ES is 6.69x...

[mossy anvil]

Gotchu

[mint quartz]

i should finish mine

[mighty temple]

Lower than my DK's 9x

[thorny zinc]

Mine will take a while

[true hamlet]

an ES with half the DR can get more drops

[mint quartz]

im 60% done with what ive planned to do just lazy..

[thorny zinc]

Also someone please send me the gaming sheet made by corndog in dms so i can add it when i get back home into the links section

[true hamlet]

just search "Gaming by Corndag"

[thorny zinc]

Underdstandable

[thorny zinc]

True..

[mossy anvil]

Tried my best

[mighty temple]

ES with Crystal Rate cards or Drop Rate cards for POP Obols?

[mint quartz]

mix of dr and damage

more damage = more wormhole kills

[wraith timber]

es doesnt benefit much from crystals

[mighty temple]

So 4 DR cards and 4 Damage cards... ok. Which Damage?

Total Damage or Base?

[wraith timber]

highest dmg cards you have
total

[mighty temple]

So Total Damage it is

With those, I have +63.5% DR and +52% Total Damage on my ES

Also, I gotta get the Efaunt set for the Drop Rate.

[wraith timber]

use some golden foods too
golden kebab for dmg, golden cake for dr

[lilac plover]

doesnt look like a scam but dont send it here

[thorny zinc]

idk should i ping hotair for this?

[lilac plover]

its a legit game iirc ive seen it before

[thorny zinc]

good

it got deleted

[mint quartz]

could still be a phishing link

[lilac plover]

problem resolved

[thorny zinc]

thats what i was thinking too

[lilac plover]

hotair is always lurking

[somber depot]

GENTLEMEN AND THE OCCASIONAL LADY

DO YOU KNOW WHAT MONTH IT IS? IT'S MAH BIRTH MONTH

MEANING MY BIRHTDAY IS IN 2 DAYS

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[mint quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-12479727837870813361

[thorny zinc]

[mossy anvil]

Happy birthday in the future lil bro

[thorny zinc]

should be easy to understand

[quiet crane]

looks confusing enough

[woeful wyvern]

Not sand castles for dice?

[thorny zinc]

no...

[woeful wyvern]

Even with 2 disciple?

[thorny zinc]

even with 10