midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[thorny zinc]

nerding like always

[near latch]

Yo, if i were to not sample 4 fish, which 4 would it be? i elected jumbo shrimp; shellfish and manta ray so far. Am i wrong first of all? And secondly, which 4th should i skip sampling?

Cuz like, after the marbiglass fish bag, and the godshard rod, are there other things that require shellfish and shrimp?

[strange flare]

besides crafting i dont think so

doesnt marblefish have a vial

[minor scroll]

all equinox recsources have vials

[wraith timber]

ez to max too

i just keep forgetting to max the equ ore vial i'll reprint later

resetting my traps was rlly worth it, got a bunch of greenstacks in just 2 claims xd

[mint rivet]

Chat I am back

I played only games i enjoyed for a while

[thorny zinc]

damn darkred is back

[mint rivet]

i am probably less advanced than everyone in this chat now

i opened game

has been frozen for over a min now

and it crashed...

[thorny zinc]

lmao

[true hamlet]

1b.. mamamia

[mint rivet]

ngl that was perfect timing to leave

[true hamlet]

That's like a hundred levels

[mint rivet]

can't go wrong with lab

[thorny zinc]

and now with AC bro will have over 100% crit chance

thats wild

[mint rivet]

archer btw

[mint rivet]

what is that

[thorny zinc]

Arcane Cultist

bubo MC

[mint rivet]

oh

tutorial? damn

[thorny zinc]

how to use lab ?

[mint rivet]

arrows too

bruh

opened sneaking and game crashed again

[thorny zinc]

XD

[mint rivet]

luckly reopening is fast

[thorny zinc]

i lost the map with 4 mobs left. its doable now

tho idk about stiltmoles

[tawdry field]

nah I m not, possibly bc new acc but thats wtv

[mint rivet]

reached lvl 23

140 left

[thorny zinc]

does he know?

[mint rivet]

24!!!

[mint rivet]

did snail get improved

[thorny zinc]

nah

you literally passed me already

mine is 23

[true hamlet]

Mine is 20

[thorny zinc]

20 to 25 is very funny

[mint rivet]

i am at 24

dumped 100 mail into it so far

[robust marsh]

Yo darkbean,shad,jiof

[mint rivet]

hi

[robust marsh]

Hello

[thorny zinc]

hi

[robust marsh]

Hello

[mint rivet]

woah

[robust marsh]

Big numbers

📈

[mint rivet]

thousands of billions

before

after

[tawdry field]

to doors?

[mint rivet]

there is also this

[robust marsh]

The sneaking stuff

[tawdry field]

the what

[thorny zinc]

w6 skill

[robust marsh]

W6 stuff

[thorny zinc]

you might want to work towards this btw

[mint rivet]

woah i jumped to 130 summoning

[mint rivet]

how do u get that

[robust marsh]

The what trophy is that

[thorny zinc]

ceramics npc quest

but you need 120 trapping for gs set

[robust marsh]

That need 180 crops types unlocked to progress

[thorny zinc]

180? lmao i didnt know

[mint rivet]

i alr have 120 trapping, i hope

i have 184 so its good

[robust marsh]

Ye i have like 103

[thorny zinc]

i have 203 or smth

[mint rivet]

idk what updates happened

not gonna read it

[robust marsh]

#new-updates⭐

[polar geyser]

game got easier again

[robust marsh]

You get master class in W1

[polar geyser]

^^ that too

[robust marsh]

Does the guy doing it from W1 get all the telent things of the class between?

[thorny zinc]

let me check

[mint rivet]

yay summoning is so fun i just smashed my mouse for 7minutes straight clicking upgrade

i hope u deleted that

and not some mod

[robust marsh]

Ye it's me

[mint rivet]

do i click this or do I wait ?

[thorny zinc]

lets see

[robust marsh]

Click

But before

Get ceramic npc quest

[thorny zinc]

yeah he gets points in every tab

[mint rivet]

he's THIIIIIIIIICK

[robust marsh]

That's messed up

[mint rivet]

huh

[thorny zinc]

meh its pretty useless

[robust marsh]

Game getting easy

[mint rivet]

A LOT EASIER it seems

[thorny zinc]

if you go to highest frog map, click 25 times on the W from afk gains menu you can get ww at any level

[robust marsh]

Ye

[mint rivet]

is it meant to be so

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[robust marsh]

Does it work if on a warrior class?

[mint rivet]

so if i go there on my SB , it gets changed to WW?

[elfin ice]

Tbf the actual tempest part isn't any use besides starting the 100 days on print

[thorny zinc]

it works on everyclass from what i know but you can only do that once

[robust marsh]

Make another alt

[thorny zinc]

WAIT

[robust marsh]

Do on warrior

[thorny zinc]

i could try changing my SB TO WW

ON MAIN

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[mint rivet]

i am assuming 2x got changed to 3x

and its not 6 or 4x total

[robust marsh]

I would not suggest that

[thorny zinc]

why

[mint rivet]

no

[robust marsh]

Maybe it doesn't work or your whole class thing changes to the ww thing

[mint rivet]

guys i have 800m dmg

fighting 320T hp boss

[robust marsh]

In summoning

[robust marsh]

Not possible even with 11b

[thorny zinc]

oh nvm i forgot you cant do it if you have w6 unlocked

[mint rivet]

i would need to hit thim 400000 times

[thorny zinc]

what are you talking about man

[mint rivet]

i don't believ eu

[robust marsh]

Price of those summoning guys go veryhigh

[mint rivet]

how far can endgamers get

[robust marsh]

Me tried 3 times

[thorny zinc]

x5 probably max

[mint rivet]

it will be quadrillions or quintillions of hp

[mint rivet]

i don't think so

[robust marsh]

Yes

[mint rivet]

how did u get that much dmg

[thorny zinc]

AC buffs are wild

[robust marsh]

Do other stones as well

[mint rivet]

oh right AC

[mint rivet]

just these?

[thorny zinc]

yeah and all the boss stones

[robust marsh]

Ye they kinda good how they are

[mint rivet]

cooked

[robust marsh]

I told you go do purple stone

[mint rivet]

got close though

[thorny zinc]

hm maybe doable ?

i doubt

[robust marsh]

Ye...

[mint rivet]

where is purple

[robust marsh]

Jelly thing w4

Near pig

Party pig

[mint rivet]

ty

[thorny zinc]

hi mr duck

[robust marsh]

Hello white land animal

[mint rivet]

hi duckie

https://tenor.com/view/alfa7-gif-26368700

[robust marsh]

What might this be

[thorny zinc]

its pebble cove

[robust marsh]

I can read

[white path]

u need to break pebbles

[robust marsh]

A bit

[thorny zinc]

you cant you are idleon player

liar

[robust marsh]

Can if word big

[robust marsh]

How you read

[thorny zinc]

someone reads for me

[robust marsh]

Personal reader

[robust marsh]

What is that guy saying

[woeful wyvern]

💀

[robust marsh]

Oh you can read that I suppose

[thorny zinc]

yes

[thorny zinc]

no duck we dont carry you

[mint rivet]

i can

[woeful wyvern]

Translator goes brrr

[robust marsh]

[white path]

I was google translating what the other guy said

[thorny zinc]

i know

[mint rivet]

aw i thought john was hosting party

[robust marsh]

Me too

[thorny zinc]

we will probably soon

[robust marsh]

Why so silence

[thorny zinc]

farming

[white path]

I have no reason to do dungeons other than for "fun"

[robust marsh]

Fun stuff

[mint rivet]

casually close to 50x'd my stats

[robust marsh]

There is nothing fun about it

[thorny zinc]

yeah.. i need rings and keychains

[robust marsh]

Who grinds rings 2 are enough

[thorny zinc]

...

[mint rivet]

just buy them from shop

gem shop

[white path]

not as much as luckykid but good enough

[thorny zinc]

i need 9 more

[robust marsh]

to sleep i go

Cya chat

[mint rivet]

cya

[candid creek]

Gn

[thorny zinc]

hm happy hour in 49m

[mint rivet]

way to0 close for comfort

[thorny zinc]

[white path]

I got past it today

[candid creek]

Me who can't get past first map!

Well done tho holy I don't understand how people are so far

[thorny zinc]

just playing and 450 talents

[mint rivet]

i'll leave this here for later

[thorny zinc]

its really not that bad if you have high talents

[mint rivet]

damn

lvl 50 cosmo

[thorny zinc]

the last thing that i have left to max is crit chance and im pretty much done with the talents

[mint rivet]

damn

[wraith timber]

oof

not a good study imo

[mint rivet]

it is good

amazing even

glad i left it on that one

[wraith timber]

couldve been on... bell instead

bfr aged like milk i think
-# aside from measurements but those are not real

[mint rivet]

i'll pass on bell

ores will always be important

so satisfying

all at half

BIG NUGGET

a 2mil one and a 7.5mil one

3x is crazy good

[tawdry field]

damn this is actually kinda good, I ignored the owl for a while but this is nice I gotta admit

[thorny zinc]

yeah clickers are good

[tawdry field]

its tedious but rewarding

[mint rivet]

[thorny zinc]

crazy im only at 17

[mint rivet]

u had a whoole month

[quaint magnet]

crazy i'm only at 4

[thorny zinc]

i dont go to owl at all

[mint rivet]

i can tell

[thorny zinc]

[mint rivet]

weak to grass?

even grass doesn't wanna touchgrass

[thorny zinc]

like every idleon player yes

finally unlocked

[mint rivet]

i am heavily behind with this active stuff

[calm vault]

Whats the best w4 map for CC? Soda Cans?

[woeful karma]

man i wish lava had a solution for this

[mint rivet]

soda cans i think

[mint rivet]

check settings

[woeful karma]

like why is there no check to see if a tab has max talent points invested

[calm vault]

this?

[woeful karma]

what im saying is

[mint rivet]

I now have each god maxed

[woeful karma]

mroeso

why is there no check for whether or not a tab has been maxed out
down the line when i get DB i wont have it all maxed
so i would like to know when i have SPENDABLE unspent talent points

same with star points

[hexed cairn]

just put at the top left corner.

[woeful karma]

what is the point of knowing i have unspendable talent points in a tab i cant spend them in due to being maxxed?

[mint rivet]

idk

[woeful karma]

something that lets me know i have unspendable talent points is useless imo

its only useful if it tells me i have spendable ones lmao

[mint rivet]

I will also leave this here, before it was 2101

[mint rivet]

turn it off

[calm vault]

well... eventually you'll never have spendable ones in those tabs, so it's not like it matters

this doesnt bother me one bit

[mint rivet]

my bubo just ganed 10 trillion lab xp

[calm vault]

because they're all max booked

[woeful karma]

fair but star will take a long while
and im sure masterclasses or Vwalker isnt easily maxed

so its still useful for them

[mint rivet]

oh not 10t, 10b

error

[calm vault]

star talents can never be maxed.

[hexed cairn]

max tp toilet

[woeful karma]

this has its gains heavily reduced later on i notice lol

[calm vault]

that name doesnt spell qwaser lol how will people recognize you

[thorny zinc]

ohhh so thats the correct platform i was confused at first i thought its the top left platform with enemies on it

[hexed cairn]

that's the whole point. im hiding

[woeful karma]

like 1600 TP isnt even 3x

[white path]

||its a bug ||

[woeful karma]

ohhh no wonder why you seemed somewhat familair

[mint rivet]

i had to wait over a minute to get alllvl up rewards on db

[woeful karma]

also i love your flashbang profile :D

[thorny zinc]

you are a bug

[white path]

[woeful karma]

GASP

no

how could it be so?

[hexed cairn]

are ducks war criminals

[thorny zinc]

yes

[mint rivet]

top one is db, bottom one is DK

now aftermath

[thorny zinc]

[red compass]

[thorny zinc]

i need to click call me bob to 1050m now

[strange prism]

[woeful karma]

good lord

[thorny zinc]

just a few clicks

[strange prism]

wheres 2k

[woeful karma]

oh good lord thats a lot of levels

[white path]

I atomed bob

[thorny zinc]

same

[woeful karma]

1,050,000,000 lvs

[thorny zinc]

idk

[mint rivet]

i kinda forgot about alchemy

i need to fix that asap

[strange prism]

waaat

[woeful karma]

it happens you neglecter

[mint rivet]

oh did u get to w4 yet

[thorny zinc]

darkred fell off

[woeful karma]

very soon
ij ust reached lv 400 Mman earlier

[mint rivet]

ik

congrats

[woeful karma]

tyty

[mint rivet]

besides bones, my db also got this from sheep

[strange prism]

gonna take forever to hit 500

[mint rivet]

not worth it

[thorny zinc]

it is

[mint rivet]

why

[strange prism]

stupid AC

[woeful karma]

ill be in W4 sometime after this rankup whenever i have my next almsot fully free day

im about to start looking for when that would be within the next week or two

[mint rivet]

did lava add smth for lvl 500 lab

[mint rivet]

oh

[strange prism]

I have gained over 300 levels for bravery which is nice ig

[woeful karma]

Oooo crit chance

oh wait only arcanist

[thorny zinc]

[mint rivet]

yall will see the biggest bravery glow up after am done claiming gains

[strange prism]

451

[woeful karma]

hard to say which i look forward to more in W6 atm
DB or AC
i might say AC
then again ngl i forgot what DB has going for it

[mint rivet]

i gotta wait at least 1minute per char in order for all gems to drop

[strange prism]

cba to do summoning anymore

[woeful karma]

lmao

[white path]

my favourite masterclass is db

[woeful karma]

i had to wait for a bit myself when i retrurned to my almost lv 1 all skills 10th player after a week of not touching it

[woeful karma]

its bonuses or playstyle?

[mint rivet]

db active footage could replace subway surfers

[woeful karma]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-drbepr-cat-circumcision-gif-24395171

oh wait wrong game

[thorny zinc]

XD

[mint rivet]

this is the better subway surfers

[woeful karma]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-family-guy-tiktok-funny-clip-tasty-sand-gif-27509497

[woeful karma]

its changed so much over the past 3 years i havent touched it

[mint rivet]

same

[wraith timber]

it got awful

[mint rivet]

this decade i haven't

[wraith timber]

for the minion rush game
well maybe subway did got awful too, idk

[mint rivet]

what even happened to minion game

[woeful karma]

anyone here remeber angry birds EPIC?
man i miss that game
well
i miss my old save
lost it because facebook cloud save dropped support and my phone was so old that i dont think any APK packers would function on it

[woeful karma]

which one?
the Minion rush game?

[mint rivet]

one above

[white path]

bonuses

[woeful karma]

it still exists however its a bit different

new features big changes

its a bit wierd to me

[woeful karma]

leme check rq

[mint rivet]

i got a few thousand db bones, how many are needed to mostly complete DB?

43 is crazy though

[red compass]

prolly 5k+?

[wraith timber]

5k with how many bones multi

[woeful karma]

understanadable

[woeful karma]

good lor

[mint rivet]

oh lord

[woeful karma]

lmfao

[red compass]

max u can get

[mint rivet]

OH LOrd

i don't even have gnomwich mega bstalk

[woeful karma]

honestly not that much

[mint rivet]

and need them for gcakes, big W

[woeful karma]

but is useful

[mint rivet]

before 6.5mil

[woeful karma]

i only say that bc this lol

[mint rivet]

after

[woeful karma]

damn thats good

[glossy cave]

Decent gainz

[mint rivet]

i basically never use em

[woeful karma]

man i cant wait to deposite my statues after i onyx most of them and unlock vial mastery
so soon right chat?
right..?
:(

[mint rivet]

now i'll show u even better gains

[woeful karma]

(this will take a few months i assume)

[mint rivet]

over the span of last 30 days...

[woeful karma]

(until then my statues will continue to rot in my chest)

[mint rivet]

this is what i got from my chars

5000++++++ level ups

[woeful karma]

thats a lopt of pearls

[mint rivet]

insane

[woeful karma]

wait howd you get time candy?

[mint rivet]

milkway candies

[woeful karma]

oh

[mint rivet]

lv up gift

[woeful karma]

that explains the better candies

wait isnt milkyway single candy from afk only?

or can you get multiple?

[mint rivet]

this was BEFORE

[fresh parrot]

the difference in the last few wp on ww is insane

[mint rivet]

insane increase

at least at my stage

[fresh parrot]

that's atleast +1 round with scaling

[woeful karma]

WP is absurd for WW yea

[mint rivet]

before

[woeful karma]

to the point where if you get a god dust bow your reluctent to use an elemental bow even for dealing damage

[fresh parrot]

no like, the last few points are insanity

[mint rivet]

after

[woeful karma]

oh good lord

[mint rivet]

lvl up gift carries

i got 1.5k gems passively bcs of it

just this one month

[fresh parrot]

133 and 137 wp

[mint rivet]

I must get more

[woeful karma]

indeed

[mint rivet]

how old is this event shop

[woeful karma]

the only shame is ive wasted some

[woeful karma]

last main update old

[woeful karma]

i hope lava dosent relase W7(p1) within 2 weeks

i want these but have full storage

[mint rivet]

do not buy that

[jagged rampart]

for zow farming, what are the intervals? 100k then 1m? for the buffs? Tooltips only says 100k. But toolbox says 1m and even 1b

[mint rivet]

not worth

[mint rivet]

zows are 100k

[rose plank]

What exactly influences pet power when breeding?

[woeful karma]

its 1 gem bro

2 gems for 2 is worth it

[jagged rampart]

so there is no point going above 100k right?

[mint rivet]

ty so much

[mint rivet]

there is, but its not zow at that point. zow is 100k, chow 1mil, schow 100mil, wow 1b

[mint rivet]

i will buy them both

wish me luck

[woeful karma]

you diudnt realize that they were free?

oof

[jagged rampart]

I assume those are from master class?

[woeful karma]

i thought it was barb and BB based

[thorny zinc]

anything that i should add here? except for the other droprate obols

[fresh parrot]

aw man...

[woeful karma]

does DB add a nother layer?

[mint rivet]

wow is from masterclass, chow is from elite class and schow from vman with elite class

[mint rivet]

what am i looking at

[fresh parrot]

db is wows iirc, super thrash

[mint rivet]

worst ones...

[thorny zinc]

my guide sheet

[mint rivet]

its not supertrash

[woeful karma]

better then nothing!

wish me luck in advance with mine when i get to spend 2 of my stocked ribbons!

[mint rivet]

i get this from wow

[mint rivet]

i would just remove efaunt set

no one should craft it besides for slab

[thorny zinc]

what...

[woeful karma]

oh rip i must away now
best of luck with the grind yall 🦾

[mint rivet]

cya

[thorny zinc]

...

[woeful sand]

Is there a list of all the ingame bonuses to increase crystal chance?

[woeful sand]

Showoff

[thorny zinc]

not showoff i showed him why you should craft eufant gear

[woeful sand]

Joking dw

[thorny zinc]

in game no. you can see on IT tho

i should work on crystal farm section too

these are all the sources

[mint rivet]

25!!!

x1

x2

x3

[fresh parrot]

grats~ did you max out liquid and stuff?

[mint rivet]

huh

[fresh parrot]

liquid regen sigil, ref speed etc

[mint rivet]

ye, only basic ones remain, I got 2 chars working on each one

hardest one is 100k

it would take 50 hours

in just over 2 days am done with sigils

@zenith hare said i won't be before w7

[woeful sand]

Wat do i search tho?

[pulsar girder]

How long did 100k dark lanterns take you lol

[thorny zinc]

1 week or smth

[woeful sand]

I know it is 33 for me but how do I get to a more detailed page?

[thorny zinc]

hover on it

[indigo stratus]

Dont compare yourself to shadow. He prob has every DR pack and multis.

[mint rivet]

daily crystals moment

[thorny zinc]

yeah i do have every pack that gives dr

[mint rivet]

whale

[thorny zinc]

so not a good thing to compare with me

[pulsar girder]

What was your dr at the time

[thorny zinc]

hm one sec let me check

[mint rivet]

OH! a iant dropped a sacred 72hr!!

giant*

[strange prism]

whats that gotta do with anything, you can neglect dr while still buying packs, the question was to get a baseline for a idea of how long it might take to get 100k lanterns

[thorny zinc]

128 at that point

[mint rivet]

why are my bosses in qty of 1 after 30d

did lava remove them regenerating offline?

[pulsar girder]

I’m at 75, have been thinking I’m super far away from looking at this but maybe it’s something i could target in a few more dr upgrades then

[strange prism]

I wouldnt go for it till 100-120 at least

[pulsar girder]

Yeah that’s why i said that

Monuments still higher yield for now for me

[indigo stratus]

Uhhh, 200% DR, 1.2x multi, duck 1.3x multi, cape... you could neglect few DR and still have higher than f2p

[strange prism]

all those multis mean nothing if you dont have DR to multiply

[pulsar girder]

I have the 1.2 and the cape and someone should give me Mallay imo

[strange prism]

so no, you can easily buy packs and still have less DR then a f2p

128 is very much within f2p means lmao

[thorny zinc]

i have 10 dr with all the packs what am i missing ? (a brain)

[mint rivet]

i just realised i came back at perfect time

[indigo stratus]

128 really isnt, currently. With pristines broken and duck is rng or pack

[strange prism]

have you seen Jios dr? lmao

[mint rivet]

who's jio

[thorny zinc]

jiof is not real. he is an AI

[indigo stratus]

Currently... cant get pristines, cant get duck.

And you arent getting 128 DR without multis

[strange prism]

momentarily, people have already said the ducks returned in packs and pristines will obviously show in events

[dawn sapphire]

Is the Member Hoodie better for my vman than Chizoar plate armor?

[fresh parrot]

rng Fucking garbage

[mint rivet]

killroy time !

[mint rivet]

holy damage

i am still at tens of bills

[strange prism]

a f2p sweat

[fresh parrot]

it doesn't matter, I needed sparkies..

wasted like 20mins fucking hell

[mint rivet]

what's his dr

[fresh parrot]

100×+

[strange prism]

idk he hasnt shown it in a while but its somewhere around 110-130

[fresh parrot]

iirc 125+

[red compass]

j ask him. @true hamlet whats ur dr

[strange prism]

[thorny zinc]

jiof is a casual

[pulsar girder]

I wonder if early w7 will have a critter that gives more trapping exp to make godshard set less of a trapping exp time gate

[indigo stratus]

Ducks returned in pack... we talking f2p. And pristine charms been broken since the "buff"

[strange prism]

you do understand that duck being in pack means people will buy it, which puts it into pet trading and allows a f2p a chance to get it correct

[indigo stratus]

You do understand that is extremely unlikely, right?

The odds of getting free duck are probably worse than pulling doot

[strange prism]

do you just.. never look in this channel or pet trading

people give pets away all the time

[indigo stratus]

Yes, but have i seen free duck once? No

[strange prism]

how do you think jio has duck..

[thorny zinc]

from breeding

[strange prism]

I've given away all 3 limited from that event, deer, muiltiple of every time of normal one as well

Theres plenty of people who've given out pets before and after I did

[indigo stratus]

One f2p player doesnt apply to all f2p players...

[pulsar girder]

The same way it’s currently very unlikely to get the pristine because of current game conditions, it’s very unlikely you’re gonna get a free duck at the moment though

But if anyone has one: i would take it

[indigo stratus]

Your chance at pristine is 0% rn, and duck is about the same

[thorny zinc]

i think this is all?

[strange prism]

never played AC?

[thorny zinc]

i never played idleon on Air conditioner

[strange prism]

idk how someone can play something they clearly hate so much

[indigo stratus]

It takes 30k+ kills for 1.2x multi on AC, per map. Youre clearly out of touch

[strange prism]

wow.. 30k.. is literally nothing

[polar geyser]

another one down

[red compass]

weird numbers chosen on the left but ok

[strange prism]

Uge

[indigo stratus]

30k arcane kills

[thorny zinc]

if you dont want to farm dr dont. but dont say you cant get dr multi

[thorny zinc]

made my jiof the nerd

[polar geyser]

and into this

[strange prism]

Clean

[mint quartz]

could mention how to roll the obols

[thorny zinc]

i will mention that in w2 as i will talk there about obols

[indigo stratus]

Push AC or spend week farming arcane kills per map, hmm.

[strange prism]

the side note of combining already rolled ones properly

[thorny zinc]

like the last time i wont waste time with you

[strange prism]

Every time youre given a simple fix you find away to complain more, whats your goal here

[indigo stratus]

Check your farming map and see your multi, then lets talk

[thorny zinc]

ok

next time lets hope lava adds dr multies raining out of the sky for free

like you say its not good just because you need to farm 1 day on that map.

[indigo stratus]

Nah, just not locked behind swipes

[thorny zinc]

......

yeah def not wasting my time

[candid creek]

Looks like the common yapper

Nothing but hate

[indigo stratus]

Bc youre out of touch, lol.

[strange prism]

shadows got a f2p account wdym

[candid creek]

Me?

[pulsar girder]

I’ve been at clammies for 3-4d on ac and am only at like 1.15x dr on it i think

[soft girder]

hello gary

[candid creek]

Autoloot?

[strange prism]

"only" at 1.15x multi

[thorny zinc]

because you are saying dr multies are locked behind swipes and when i literally show you a dr multi f2p you tell me is "too much to farm"

[pulsar girder]

And i think i started dr chat this time by asking about dark lanterns so AC boosts aren’t relevant there lol

[strange prism]

idk youd have to ask shadow

[thorny zinc]

on the f2p account i dont have anything

[candid creek]

SHADOOOOOW do you have autoloot

[mint quartz]

i think shadow's f2p account is neglected

[candid creek]

You have multiple accounts?

[strange prism]

Is that not normal

[thorny zinc]

me? neglecting ? never ever

[strange prism]

its in tera lmao

[thorny zinc]

xdd

[strange prism]

my other accounts been sitting for 1-2 months

[thorny zinc]

did someone said dr multi?

[strange prism]

Uge

[calm vault]

what am I missin here

how to get 140

[strange prism]

need to live in sanctum for about 3 months

[pulsar girder]

Anyway “asking for a mallay” and getting the pristine unlikely to happen any time soon.. other dr i could work on is like pushing further than sanctum 20, uhhhh past crop 190, Godshard set bonus…. Uhhhh idk I’m done the easy ones i think lol

[calm vault]

probably true

[strange prism]

sanctum n farming will be big ones for sure

[thorny zinc]

yeah sanctum its what you miss

[strange prism]

theres the measurer upgrades as well

[calm vault]

after 200k bravery and then 100k dark lanterns

[thorny zinc]

33 should be a reasonable place to stop imo

[strange prism]

then grimiore which isnt too bad tbh

[pulsar girder]

Oh yeah i unlock that one today lol

[indigo stratus]

Youre out of touch, bro. This is 1.1x multi. Next one is 500-600 crystals... and thats per map. My AC would never progress if I spent each week farming different maps

[strange prism]

why would you need dr multi on every map

[thorny zinc]

do you really want me to show you the exact amount of kills? also you dont need dr on all maps???

[strange prism]

its not like all of them have important items.. you just need maps like clammies and moons

[calm vault]

I forget but I imagine the tesseract will have some super crystal upgrades further in

That make going back and farming out multis fun and refreshing

[candid creek]

You're just a mean person

[calm vault]

nvm lol just gotta max out charging I guess

[thorny zinc]

for now you cant reach that

[calm vault]

well yeah

cant even reach fractal tesseract without 2 months of grinding

[indigo stratus]

Not every map... but moons, clammies, lanterns (impossible), then the DK farming maps

[calm vault]

glad I stopped progressing AC when I did

[calm vault]

and then you gotta go max out afk multi on all the resource node maps

[candid creek]

Glad I can't get AC past green mushrooms

[thorny zinc]

[indigo stratus]

Im mean bc Im explaining f2p vs p2w DR? Aight

[thorny zinc]

he doesnt even know what we are talking about just ignore him

[candid creek]

Can you still be nicer?

[thorny zinc]

the conversation was between me, you and aod

[indigo stratus]

Already did

[strange prism]

its been... very.. very painful forcing progression

[calm vault]

have you hit equinox multi yet

[strange prism]

additive* and no

[calm vault]

wow that's even worse than I thought

[strange prism]

I dont overnight afk so its been slow progressing

[thorny zinc]

yeah thats additive and pretty useless

[calm vault]

tf

surely that's a mistake on lava's end

[strange prism]

cant say as I dont have it yet, but many insist its additive

[quaint magnet]

i'm having trouble with getting the first onyx statue, any advice?

[pulsar girder]

Have you got the chocolate chip

[quaint magnet]

no, what's that

[agile kiln]

does anyone know how to get a lot of cooking laddles

for cooking

[candid creek]

Choco chip lab chip, crystal farm with DK on bored beans

[quaint magnet]

uhh do the miniboss in w4 i think that gave a ton

[candid creek]

You won't be able to get onyx until past world 4

[thorny zinc]

afk with db

[candid creek]

Im at world 6 and it is still very slow for me

[pulsar girder]

Its in the lab nano chip store monthly or so and until it comes back i would suggest not bothering with statue farming

[quaint magnet]

got it. i'm already partway through w5 so that's good advice

[thorny zinc]

what dr and crystal chance

[candid creek]

(then again it's slow because of my idiocy)

[strange prism]

w4 mini boss

[fringe ingot]

Im Rift 54 5.000.000 kill monster rift 55 or 56 same ?

[strange prism]

yea

[candid creek]

Crystal is I think 1 in 66? I have Choco? But Dr is only like 10

[fringe ingot]

Ok im go finish 56 😉👍

[candid creek]

I'm farming beans for the statues in the background but mostly for obol fragments so I can get full family DR obols done

[strange prism]

lame wikis down again

[thorny zinc]

yeah its your fault here

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[pulsar girder]

Boosted up dk orb talent level as much as you can?

[candid creek]

Lmao who else's, I just don't do anything in the game :3

[candid creek]

I mean my max book level is 151

[thorny zinc]

[candid creek]

And no I haven't done the 20 thing

[quaint magnet]

yea i just noticed

[pulsar girder]

And did you book it

[candid creek]

Slightly but not nearly enough

Do I get to 20 and max it at 151

[candid creek]

THEN AGAIN I still wouldn't have the talent points for it

[pulsar girder]

If you can pump it up it probably has a bigger impact on statue gain than the attack talents or whatever your points are in… just mentioning it cause its also a factor, if you’re not far enough along to really pump it then fair enough!

[fair hare]

Does Beastmaster DO anything? He's got the breeding passives, which apply to everyone. He's got trapping, which anyone can do easily because of the drone. And he's got smithing/forging which is a couple of minutes per day if I remember to do it. Is he good at anything?

[candid creek]

World 6 has a masterclass for it

[quiet crane]

with vman enhance u get lots of breeding

[mint quartz]

when u get vman enchantment to 150, it allows active bm kills to reduce breeding timers by 3seconds

[pulsar girder]

Once you get those Fury Relics and you get the talents on everything go Up by like 100 and the vman eclipse talent adds 20s to Knight duration and you have an orb with full time that gets you like 500-700 and three knights on screen it pops off more lol

[pulsar girder]

You can also go upgrade it to WW using that secret on the frog map instead of waiting to w6

[candid creek]

Yeah lowkey saw that in that one video from the one person

I got WW like a week before that video came out

[candid creek]

Yeah fury relic with ancient (the one I forget) and sov is good, but I don't have sovereign relics only the one before (that I never remember the name of)

[fair hare]

Ahh, if it requires vman, I guess I'll just make him a "gem" in the lab for now, lol. I can't get through the hoop game requirement to advance my jman. I need to install this on a phone or tablet at some point and see if I find it easier, lol.

[candid creek]

Eclipse talent?

[pulsar girder]

Iirc the 225 effect is that dk knights last +20s longer

[candid creek]

???

[lime pike]

just got maestro need to rank his skilling. how do I get more than 50k xp/h on mining if I can't equip anything higher than dem pick?

[woeful sand]

Prom 1 to 10 how f up is my dust?

[mint quartz]

100

[minor scroll]

8

[fair hare]

Ouch.

[minor scroll]

9 probably

[woeful sand]

Lol

[quaint magnet]

5 or 6 idk

[mint quartz]

almost everything is running on a deficit

[woeful sand]

Gonna take me months aye

[minor scroll]

Every salt is negative

[mint quartz]

yea.. all the best man

[minor scroll]

Good luck

[fair hare]

Mine was messed up (not that messed up, thank god) and the lab is helping quite a bit.

[mint quartz]

pray for big refinery hits from omniphau

[woeful sand]

At the end i will prolly have to get the red salt to rank 40 or so gawd dayum

Even more maybe

[fair hare]

There's a chart around somewhere.

[woeful sand]

It goes only to 30

Over that it says that there isnt much data

[mint quartz]

u can use autoreview, their refinery section recommends ranks you should be at

[woeful sand]

Eh not to bad then

Ok

[sonic lagoon]

are any of the diamond skulls for v anywhere near as bad as wood mushrooms

[woeful sand]

Could have been worse if I by chance upgraded nullos

[sonic lagoon]

because this is miserable actually

[mint quartz]

50 red and 28 green to fix it i think

[pulsar girder]

Yesterday i went through and leveled chop/mine/fish/catch on all 10 characters to marbi tool level and made marbiglass tools for them and got all ten skulls/traps past the 10k nullo step and made godshard gear for 4 more characters, should get the last three soon just need a bit of refinery procs for a tiny bit more nullo and I’ll be done with that project

[mint quartz]

theres quite a few maps with bad mob counts too

[sonic lagoon]

There are more like this? miserable

I should have had my ES start these early

very notably im pushed WAY further than i should be for progression, I think, I'm mid-W6 and I just unlocked tab 4

[pulsar girder]

That’s normal, the anvil tabs are super pricey compared to how easy pushing is. I think i was in w6 when i made tab 3 lol

Maybe it was 4. One of them though for sure

[dawn sapphire]

Do I risk it for next pet or wait for next tier of egg?

[sonic lagoon]

At least it's not abnormal. Rn I'm mostly gated on alchemy and refining

[pulsar girder]

The disappointment of finding out there aren’t more achievement point unlocks for easy gems in anvil tab v/vi….

[pulsar girder]

I think i had been in w6 for about 4 or 5 weeks before i had enough salt to make a set of troll armor

[sonic lagoon]

oh, and equinox, my equinox clouds rn are NOT fun for how early i am

😔

[fair hare]

I'm ignoring equinox, lol. Some day. lol.

[pulsar girder]

Yeah any equinox challenge that sounds like a pain in the ass is one to ignore till later when it isn’t

[sonic lagoon]

the only thing i can even consider doing is the greenstacks, the others are functionally impossible for me rn

[fossil citrus]

whats a good set up to unlock late w4 teritorys ?

[mighty bronze]

You need it for the froggos mainly

there’s an alch vial

[pulsar girder]

Everyone in the lab to reach the 2x kill credit node, one divine knight pushing and candying with every candy you got if it’ll get you to w5

[fair hare]

The problem is, they are ALL a PIA, lol. Though I eventually should get through the 400 kills at the skull one. :P

[sonic lagoon]

i just did the killroy one, easy enough with bubo

[pulsar girder]

They won’t be in a few weeks probably. Early you get the Liquidvestment upgrade in there and that ones good but nothing in there really matters otherwise until the talent level one imo so it’s more of a long term project

[sonic lagoon]

my pusher in w4 was siege breaker but i think DK would have been easier

it was my pusher until the WW challenge thing came out, now it's my WW

[pulsar girder]

Also note that every equinox upgrade you spend makes all future equinox bars take significantly longer to fill up. So if you get a new reward and think “this one sounds bad…?” Just dont upgrade it at all. Months later when i got to the 0/34 upgrade for +1 to all talents i was glad i didn’t spend many

[fair hare]

The totem one which I got in W3 requires me to be in W5 to complete. lol.

[fair hare]

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind.

[pulsar girder]

I was able to get 30 upgrades in under a week but my friend at similar progression who had been spending it the whole time is looking at a month + 😦

[fair hare]

Ouchies.

[pulsar girder]

I guess i should take a serious look at the “100 ruby cards” equinox. I don’t think 450 talents is happening for me until pristines get fixed but I’m low on things i want to do actively and maybe that should be what i active for a while

Especially considering cards do things so it would give me benefits to level them for their own sakes lol

My guess is a good chunk is just candying resource nodes. But then card farm would be ES active right

[thorny zinc]

this map..

[white path]

whats ur damage

[toxic oriole]

Not sure where to ask this but I feel like my vman is always struggling to keep up on skills, his exp rate is like 20% of what I can get on my bubo in chopping for example, maybe even less than 20%

[toxic oriole]

am I doing something wrong

[thorny zinc]

stiltmole map feels like taking an exam

[thorny zinc]

just dont skill on others

[toxic oriole]

Other games I've played the skill levels is the majority of the resources gained, is it more gear/bonus/bubble based in this game then? Rather than level?

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[toxic oriole]

does level offer anything (other than mastery) ?

[white path]

0.5% skill efficiency per level

[toxic oriole]

multi or add? Sorry for all the q

[thorny zinc]

how much damage do you have ?

[strange prism]

stilts are a myth

[bronze sun]

how can I check my chance at a giant monster spawning?

[thorny zinc]

yeah i def cant pass this now

[quiet crane]

equip the prayer and bottom left at inventory

[candid creek]

It's on your stats at the bottom

[bronze sun]

does it not work with the gaming upgrade to have all prayers?

[white path]

i'm unsure sorry

[toxic oriole]

ok no worries!

[pulsar girder]

I believe that gaming thing does not give you giants yeah

[candid creek]

Nop

[strange prism]

only need to 2x your damage

[thorny zinc]

[bronze sun]

that is a bummer, but explains my issue... thanks

[toxic oriole]

I have only been playing for like 3 weeks so was wondering where my guys go after lab/div grind if its not back to mining rocks and cutting trees 😆

[thorny zinc]

i think aod is right we actually need to x2 our damage

[pulsar girder]

After that they basically go to the hole forever, for now

[toxic oriole]

⛳

[strange prism]

I'll show you my stats, I got it down to 30 with them

[thorny zinc]

with my stats i get it to 40

[candid creek]

You use 3D for resources and put them in hole

[strange prism]

spawning them is easy, its killing them thats a pain

(I had 80% crit)

[thorny zinc]

[pseudo current]

best 5 pet team to wave 125 arena ?

[strange prism]

!guide

[candid scarab]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[white path]

we get verdon hoarding before getting past stiltmoles? thats gonna take forever

[pulsar girder]

Particularly the Bravery Monument scales forever with time spent afk’d at it and gives you an accountwide boost to straight to Damage, as well as mining cooking gaming and hole stuff

[strange prism]

hmmm?

oh ya

[thorny zinc]

[strange prism]

dam I was way farther down by stilts

yall mid maxers

[thorny zinc]

i dont think we can pass stiltmoles before gta6 atp

[strange prism]

this is where im at

[thorny zinc]

thats wild

[pulsar girder]

Have you basically been on ac since it launched

[strange prism]

thats from pushing all upgrades to pretty much 1 hour of farming

[strange prism]

yes/no

I dont overnight afk so im off for 10-12 hours at least a day

[thorny zinc]

its interesting as i was expecting you to be able to clear it at that point

[strange prism]

im sure if I micro managed and did the annoying trick I might be able too, but idk

[thorny zinc]

at least if you unlock the next one w6 is done

[strange prism]

damage is the core issue overall

[white path]

Can't do the trick on the map

[thorny zinc]

trick?

[strange prism]

did you read the guide

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[strange prism]

you gotta remove skills at certain points n sht

too much work

[thorny zinc]

ohhh right

[strange prism]

this is what im working with atm

or was before I did lab again

[thorny zinc]

[white path]

The one u used at cheese nubs, it works on more than that one map

[strange prism]

[thorny zinc]

💀

and why i didnt know about this till now..

[strange prism]

oh great, dont tell me theres a game breaking glitch to pass maps

[thorny zinc]

nah

[strange prism]

smh

[quaint magnet]

i was about to finish my first rift (beat 500 enemies in 5 minutes) but the timer ran out when i was right about to finish it

[fossil citrus]

whats a good pet setup to push w5 teritorys?

[pulsar girder]

Is this like the a/d thing i saw people alluding to

[thorny zinc]

what is a/d?

[hollow cave]

ah nice got my first bravery multi at 28k hours

[thorny zinc]

what...

oh nvm its bravery multi

[hollow cave]

yea only just now breaching the 47 by a couple (got to 50 on this one)

[thorny zinc]

my bad i was thinking of monument afk

[hollow cave]

ah, yea gotten that for a bit

don't have too much more of it though as I haven't rolled it very often on bravery

[strange prism]

50?!

[pseudo current]

can anyone help me with pet arena ?

[thorny zinc]

!guide

[candid scarab]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[thorny zinc]

first link

[pseudo current]

where do i go after

[thorny zinc]

i wonder if that crystal placement would be better it doesnt seem better

[pseudo current]

nvm

[strange prism]

smh

[thorny zinc]

[shut lynx]

I just unlocked my 8th character, but... what is recommended for character 8+ nowadays, as there are only 7 class paths to take.

[sullen plume]

Hi! Uhh... Can someone tell me how to beat the kill 500 monsters in 5 minutes on the riptide map?

[mint quartz]

2nd dk for construction

[mint quartz]

riptide map?

you mean rift?

[sullen plume]

Yeah sorry

[bronze sun]

can you only spawn 3 titans/giants a day? I have confirmed that my titan prayer is active on my shaman, but I don't see any chance at a giant spawning in the stats

[sullen plume]

I didn't remember the name

[zenith hare]

if only

[mint quartz]

alls good

[zenith hare]

what char you using?

[thorny zinc]

riptide isnt real guys

[fresh parrot]

shadow how's your ww damage looking

[zenith hare]

iirc ES is best for it early game pre master classes

[sullen plume]

wdym which char?

[mint quartz]

the class u are using

[zenith hare]

dk, es, bb. which class

[thorny zinc]

um still the same. i unlocked the upgrade but didnt had enoug to level it up

[sullen plume]

bb

[zenith hare]

do not.

[sullen plume]

oh

[zenith hare]

bb has 0 respawn mechanics, its the afk pusher

[fresh parrot]

hmmm, you said last few aboms took 10× your damage.. I'm wondering how people even increase thier damage more

[zenith hare]

it is the best afk pusher yes, but its trash for any sort of active play

[sullen plume]

Okk

[fresh parrot]

currently I could get this for a 77wp 5/5 bow

[sullen plume]

Thx

[zenith hare]

use ES, make sure to have some move potions and level up womehole a lot

see how that goes

[thorny zinc]

probably 80 wp bow and a lot of upgrades

[fresh parrot]

yeah probably alot of base dmg/dmg% and medallions

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[fresh parrot]

also elem damage maybe got 60 moons to work with

[mint quartz]

this is on abom setup?

dust right

[fresh parrot]

yea + dust bow tho, with wind bow it's slightly less

[thorny zinc]

let me check mine

[fresh parrot]

with same wp elem bow, same dmg

[thorny zinc]

what rings?

[fresh parrot]

dmg

117% and 107% iirc

[thorny zinc]

oh makes sense

this is my damage

[fresh parrot]

yeah should be best for aboms

[thorny zinc]

no

[hollow cave]

oh also finally got the Skeleton rune so done with first page

[thorny zinc]

oh nvm you said you use elem bow

[fresh parrot]

with elem bow yea, + dmg rings

dust is just weak + dust ring and bow

[hollow cave]

oh yea Shadow what WP bow did you use for W5 Abos

[thorny zinc]

umm i dont really know tbh

[mint quartz]

mane is at 16b damage btw took like 13 hours to clear egg abom i think

[thorny zinc]

yeah i saw that xd

[fresh parrot]

man what the fuck

[thorny zinc]

16B is pretty much the highest damage i saw so far

idk about groot tho

[mint quartz]

compass must be insanely pushed for 5x damage

[fresh parrot]

I geniunly hope mane is a great guidemaker and NOT a ww tryhard

[strange prism]

fml

[thorny zinc]

i need moons for this shit

[fresh parrot]

not worth it

[thorny zinc]

.....

[fresh parrot]

trust me...

[thorny zinc]

it is...

[fresh parrot]

50 moons, wasted for like a bit of dmg

not even triple digits increase

[mint quartz]

dang

[fresh parrot]

although I'll try getting a bit more cooldust later, currently 400b smth

[strange prism]

Uge

[fresh parrot]

ge

[thorny zinc]

ALCHEMY 2

hell yeah

[ashen steppe]

😭

I am NOT ready for W7 🥲

[white path]

i'm ready to 1 shot everything

[thorny zinc]

im ready to fight spongebob

[hollow cave]

I am quite curious to see if it is the Royal Guard skill

[pulsar girder]

Yoooooooo alchemy 2 would be a really funny skill

[hollow cave]

seeing the initial layout, hammer with power and now potion still makes me suspect it's some fashion of mini-dungeon crawler-esque thing

[pulsar girder]

Maybe the new shop has a new tier of speed potion. But the pic looks too big to be an item

[ashen steppe]

Aren't they adding nodes to afk at for some skills in w7

Idk how many

[hollow cave]

yea I assume that's related to a skill rather than an item

and I dont think it was confirmed, Lava just asked if people would be interested in such

[thorny zinc]

i mean he will prob add it

[ashen steppe]

Yeah ig but the vast majority voted yes

[hollow cave]

which I think was received positively so it's possible there will be, but there's no way to know if it's in relation to the skill(s) we'll have on first set

[ashen steppe]

True 🙏

[strange prism]

why did I try this again, stilts are gonna drive me nuts

[ashen steppe]

How does AC work

I'm getting mine later tday

[strange prism]

it doesnt

[ashen steppe]

🥲

[strange prism]

if you dont have 400 talents, you cant really do much with AC unfortunately

its the first "endgame content"

[ashen steppe]

Yeah I was just told to prisma diamond chef

[full beacon]

I don't even have 400 yet

[thorny zinc]

dchef and lary yeah

[hollow cave]

yea you can get a decent bit into W2 fairly easily without 400, Pincermin are doable albeit a bit rough without and for the rest of W2 you'll be fine, various points in W3 I imagine are quite hard without 400

[full beacon]

used too many equi points on random shit so I get 1 per day now 🤣

[ashen steppe]

How easy is it to get prisma bubbles

[thorny zinc]

first 10-20 pretty easy

then it gets hard

[ashen steppe]

You need 10 to do 1 right

[thorny zinc]

this is my chance rn for example

[thorny zinc]

yes

[ashen steppe]

Cooked

🙏

[hollow cave]

oh just realized I can get to 450 with slug now

[strange prism]

you can increase the odds of them dropping with another talent

[thorny zinc]

which is crazy late so impossible to get

[strange prism]

eh..

[thorny zinc]

nvm i thought you were talking about tesseract upgrade lmao

[zenith hare]

cringeeeee

[thorny zinc]

last 2 types

i will finish green overnight and then i will farm red when i wake up

[zenith hare]

idek if i should do ac or not

[lime pike]

just got maestro need to rank his skilling. how do I get more than 50k xp/h on mining if I can't equip anything higher than dem pick?

[zenith hare]

how worth are the jewels?

[lime pike]

feels like i'm missing some feature in this game

[zenith hare]

why specifically 50k/hr?

[strange prism]

[lime pike]

idk its the best I got mining with him on gold ore, since anything above that the accuracy gets closer to 5%

[zenith hare]

well mman starts slow till you get nobisect and multitool stamp

the mainly only way to level him above everyone else is by not skilling on anyone else

at least early game

its why lab is so important, same for printer

[thorny zinc]

db one is great

[lime pike]

yeah I have the issue that my miner went afk for 10h and is now lvl 73

[thorny zinc]

ww is eh but still good

[strange prism]

you have WW jewel?

[thorny zinc]

i dont

[strange prism]

...

[zenith hare]

yeah the only real way to bypass that is to level up multi tool so you can go to further nodes

[lime pike]

what should I focus on lab? leave everyone but maestro in? And what about printer, how does it help with mman's leveling?

[strange prism]

too lazy to test it

[zenith hare]

oh also: do not use the skill transfusion

[zenith hare]

printer makes it so everyone else doesnt need to skill

while still gaining materials

[quiet crane]

@fresh parrot

[lime pike]

ah ok

[zenith hare]

overall meaning mman needs a lower skill level

[zenith hare]

tbh i just dont see the point in grinding it now

ac i mean

[thorny zinc]

you prepare for afk stones

[zenith hare]

eh

[mint quartz]

i believe the jewels are in this bracket of multi, so db one is pretty good until you have bovinae hoarding

[thorny zinc]

so you can use them to a good map not some early maps

[zenith hare]

youll save barely any time in between

[pulsar girder]

I started it mostly for fun when i got to 400 talents and the db jewel was a big get for me at my db stage (working through w5)

[zenith hare]

how long did it take for people to get talents via db without bones?