midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[atomic grove]

It is

[wraith timber]

the rest are at least easier like. if its just "reach this spot on x players" then it's just gonna take a 30min stroll

[twin spire]

i'll mangle you

[final tide]

Im not sure but i do remember at some point the card existed before the enemy

[final tide]

What did i do💔

[wraith timber]

the card already existed before emperor got released ye

[twin spire]

no you dead

[atomic grove]

Emperor came out god knows how long ago

Still have yet to reach it

[true hamlet]

Yeah you can get all 3 emp cards already 😂

[twin spire]

have you ever took a bing at the speed of a bang

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-sabaody-kick-borsalino-vs-gif-19801498

3 days with no sleep is getting to me

[dreamy solar]

Hmm is it worth pushing dishes past lvl 5-6 before I push for more speed

[twin spire]

ok im at 20k an hour

how many kills do i need to get the tremor wurms?

[final tide]

Someone should give me a dedotated ram

[atomic grove]

3m

[twin spire]

Holy moly

[final tide]

Just use rift jocund

[twin spire]

https://tenor.com/view/cirno-snail-touhou-gif-5615074335584936043

I'll get there at a snail's pace

[atomic grove]

1 2h candy

[twin spire]

For you its that fast , not for me

[atomic grove]

Mine is slow

[twin spire]

bear with me

[atomic grove]

I know some pep will just have 300m+ kph at the map b4 tremor

[twin spire]

iuf i hit jackpot with 1 ball then hit jackpot with the 250 balls from the first rewards

i'll have a shit ton of balls

[atomic grove]

Yeah, no

[true hamlet]

Uhh pretty dense map, possibly billions

[twin spire]

This place is nuts

[final tide]

How I feel getting arcanist crown before even getting my mage to bubonic cause it looks cool

[atomic grove]

Jiof how do I get more kph

[twin spire]

get doot with green gems and give me the spare one

[final tide]

What no

[atomic grove]

Got all lava skull at w6 up till skydog, eldritch mk stone, mk measurement

[twin spire]

why no

[final tide]

i don’t even have divinities unlocked

[twin spire]

you dont need them unlocked lol

[atomic grove]

I have no idea what I could do to increase my kph except for more damage

[wraith timber]

more mk/tier 👍

[atomic grove]

What other source are there

[wraith timber]

eclipse skulls do give more dmg too

[atomic grove]

Its gonna take wayy too long with my 2m kph at any w6 mob

[wraith timber]

yeah prob no eclipse on w6
but prob can get eclipse on lower mobs? 5% dmg multi for each skull is huge regardless

not sure if it takes less effort than lava skull on skydoggies

[odd osprey]

I have Terrible news @twin spire

[true hamlet]

My kph is just as bad

[odd osprey]

I don't own slime

[atomic grove]

Sure..

Ill prolly try eclipse w1-w5? Mob after 5k bravery

Shouldnt take too long

[twin spire]

Its ok i'll seetle down with 55 doots , 55 samurais, 55 golems, 55 rift jocunds , 55 rift sludges, or just one of them really

[polar geyser]

hi jioooo

[final tide]

But pet bonuses don’t stack

[wraith timber]

especially get ones from high mob density first
like frogs, slimes, sand giants, etc etc

[twin spire]

Its about the money and about sending a message

[final tide]

You just don’t wanna be a brokie that doesn’t have golem anymore

Brokie

[twin spire]

☹️

[twin spire]

Dont talk to me no more

[white lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-judging-controversial-sassy-annoyed-gif-6001204319548765339

[final tide]

Hey i gave
You my sandy pot don’t make me activate the remote detonation inside of it killing all your pets and the dog.

[odd osprey]

Sure bro meet me on server pizza 420

[twin spire]

Meanie weanie

[twin spire]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-inc-sullivan-closing-door-sullivan-snow-gif-2120608012461318919

[polar geyser]

hmmmm i know the strat for getting artifacts is just popping chests as you get them, but might be worth me putting some levels on the stacking chests on my sb if im claiming like 28 hour claims since they would be full after like 4 hours

[twin spire]

The true flexer just arrived

[polar geyser]

one more down

[red relic]

Noice i made it up to killroy prime today. Have just been sitting at the top of the sneaking tower waiting to get the rift unlocked for mastery

My damage has reached purple finally :O

[thorny zinc]

what happened with the multi gballs event? did ppl lost 2 matches?

[white lintel]

no idea

[polar geyser]

my 4 guys i can use to beat this so i dont lose afk kills on the next rift arent working, 2 are alright, im too weak on the other 2

[frigid wyvern]

What does cooking level actually do?

Is it cooking speed? Or recipe chance? Or what?

[thorny zinc]

oh right this is here. i guess i will spend my balls even if its not a multi event

[white lintel]

...jack shit is what

[thorny zinc]

pretty much nothing

[frigid wyvern]

Like literally nothing?

[white lintel]

niche use lategame

[woven cove]

OOOOOOF its gonna take about 35 hours to unlock H-13 and get to the boss of W4....

[frigid wyvern]

Huh

[woven cove]

this is in short: no bueno

[thorny zinc]

it gives efficiency but its so insignificant so it doesnt matter

tho its still worth leveling it on all characters for skill mastery

[honest cradle]

cooking level gives some ladle multi

[thorny zinc]

not afk tho. using balloons

[white lintel]

source?

[thorny zinc]

source: trust me bro

[white lintel]

real

[polar geyser]

morning shadow

[thorny zinc]

hi

[honest cradle]

says it right in idleon.guide

got im

[polar geyser]

1 more down 1 to go

its so close

just a better few crits and it should be alright

[white lintel]

no it doesnt friend

[honest cradle]

You are always such an ass, I think weill just ignore you

[white lintel]

[woven cove]

wizards have very fragile egos

[honest cradle]

wierd, exactly what I said

[white lintel]

"slightly"

[honest cradle]

Turns out you being a dick then editing the message and you were wrong

Strange

[woven cove]

the dishes are what you want from cooking

[polar geyser]

brought everything out the bag to try and finish this dude

[thorny zinc]

the efficiency you get is so small that it doesnt matter

[white lintel]

^

[honest cradle]

that may be true but it doesnt make what I said wrong

"it does nothing" is wrong

[woven cove]

it makes you both right and both wrong

[polar geyser]

LETS GOOOO

[thorny zinc]

the only one that was right was me fr fr

[lilac plover]

ruby card? or prime

[woven cove]

now sit down and stop acting like kids

[polar geyser]

just pain of trying to not waste afk claims by having to get another one done

[thorny zinc]

what if i want to play idleon without sitting down?

[polar geyser]

i got ruby cards

and then the next like 4 doing atm

[woven cove]

well thats a problem. I'd probably reccomend listening to Super Sentai songs then

[polar geyser]

and the kill the boss 4 times that regen, was alright until my last dk

[white lintel]

green tachion drought is real

[woven cove]

im currently listening to Go-Onger on repeat

[polar geyser]

arctis

professional opinion, i know the strat for getting artifacts is just popping chests as you get them, but might be worth me putting some levels on the stacking chests on my sb if im claiming like 28 hour claims since they would be full after like 4 hours

[pulsar girder]

Bell seems like maybe the best bolaia target. Is that a good one to just park them on

[lilac plover]

if afk time > 3 cycle then use the sb talent

[polar geyser]

cause ill lose like 18 chests on a claim for the extra holding but ill gain like 10x the claim

[lilac plover]

or somewhere along that value

[honest cradle]

I would suggest at least one bravery level, that is nice to skip early fights

[pulsar girder]

I got one rank in a few with potent one rank effects yeah

Well bravery harp wisdom and lamp

And now I’m thinking bell and forget about it for a while

[thorny zinc]

bell or lamp are good choices here

i would go for bell

[pulsar girder]

👍 I’m a sucker for anything that can turn out to be villager exp

Ty

[white lintel]

me personally I do never ending loot search if its a 48+ hour claim, but ik a lot of people say 24+, id say it mostly just depends on your typical claim for what you should do. if you claim once a day dont use it, but if its every other day then do use it. granted I havent done any math on it so take my take with a grain of salt

[pulsar girder]

Hoping to shave the 3week gambit estimate down to 2 over the course of it lol

[honest cradle]

I sat mine on bell, figured I would reset bell next study level

[thorny zinc]

what a stamp

[white lintel]

hey shadow

wanna see something funny

[thorny zinc]

yeah show me

[polar geyser]

this is mostly just for this claim at the minute since i was doing the hampter grind thinking that id only be like one overnight and then ill hit it, chuck on to get the 60% and then just rinse through them but it turned into more of this so i was like i should probably stack chests for this run specifically since it was over 24+ hours but i normally just do a couple hour claims most of the time

gonna get to the 5mil afk and then rinse these with the sb talent on and claim sailing on each one, hopefulllllyyy ysome more sovreigns will come through

[white lintel]

my nslb has a favorite

[thorny zinc]

💀

[polar geyser]

okay in my defense shadow, i am taking into account your advice, i am gonna have them start working on mats for bubbles after this just wanted to get the push to like ruby cards and building mastery, i hit build mastery and ruby cards but my build went from 8mil per hour to 22mil so we takeeeee those since now i can build more and get towers for td to then get zerg and the other one and then bam 2 birds 1 stone with the advice

perfect

GORGEOUS

and 1/5mil down aswell so should be able to get rift 50 from these guys hopefully

cloud 14 has been cleared now too

im sorry for the screenshot spam just very happy

[mint quartz]

big refinery proc

[polar geyser]

yessirrrr

[mint quartz]

good progress being made jake

[limber eagle]

What should my 9th character be
Rn I have every elite class, Vman, and and extra DV

[polar geyser]

honestly now its just your choice of either mage or archer, im pretty sure the general sensus is still 2 sb and 2 es

i could be wrong though

[white lintel]

archers suck

leave as begginer tbh

2ES also died

but mages are still good

so it just depends on if you want to get afk time for AC or gamble on ES MC, but ofc ES classes will always have higher talent levels due to family guy so they have better prints

[polar geyser]

oh really? better for 2 bubo now?

[white lintel]

depends on the person

if you can do AC then I would say make a second AC and have them in Golem jail to farm afk time for when afk drops

[polar geyser]

i see i see interesting

also thank god i timed it right, perfect amount to hit 50 with basically no extra

i got printer proc on my 30h claim thank godddd

[shell inlet]

How do you unlock new territories for spice with the new pet system?

[zenith hare]

you just ignore the fight power requirements

as there is no more fight power reqs

[shell inlet]

are the battles for the next lvl still supposed to be there then? I hadn't unlocked the last territory and now it's missing from the list no option to battle or put in pets to farm

[zenith hare]

no, even before you had to unlock the spirit lock related in w6 to get them

wouldnt make sense to fight doggies before you had doggies unlocked

works the same way for w5 territories too

but basically no one notices

[final tide]

When do you unlock multi-kill?

[white lintel]

w3

[polar geyser]

idk what to put my guys on ngl shadow said about farming mats for bubbles to work on 60%'s but im in decision paralysis again

[white lintel]

I can take a look if you like

[thorny zinc]

I said to work on 60% bubble but i dont recommend farming them. Just print instead

[final tide]

Do cards like sovereign emperor have a effect before death note is unlocked?

[polar geyser]

ohhh i just need to redo prints at some point then

[white lintel]

not actually sure, if I had to guess it would be no

[polar geyser]

wait then now im in decision paralysis about wtf i should put my guys on, probably justice to 750 hours maybe

[honest cradle]

Nice new decimal point added to damage

[polar geyser]

bigggg

i mean i could push a few of my dudes in world 6 so i can start working on leeks soon potentially

[final tide]

I think no, i haven’t made death note yet and im not getting multi-kills while dealing over 100x max hp dmg on enemies with the card equipped

[white lintel]

then yea it doesnt work until you build it in w3

[wraith timber]

yea gotta build deathnote first

[white lintel]

do you have a reason to move up to skydoggies?

[polar geyser]

just general progress i guess

[white lintel]

personally, id work on backtracking and such before pushing, if you can get past skydoggies then that would be pretty big but the difference between leaks and skydoggies isnt much new content unlocked

I believe its just some crafting stuff and efferv logs?

[wraith timber]

also a spice but the meals dont do much

[polar geyser]

alright so to think about backtracking, td i can forget for a little cause im still working on leveling all towers, my breeding isnt the worst at the minute, my cooking i just need more speed at the minute so could potentially try work on those things, i realistically should work on gear at some point but that can just come down to printer

my alchemy is slacking but thatll also come back down to printer

trappings going alright got tottoise so ive got my traps set to that, still nature on vman to start getting him leveled on that

and will be my main focus for vial i think atm

[wraith timber]

having great printers ---> more atoms
more atoms are kinda huge in my end

[polar geyser]

yeah, my issue is in my head i cant justify it since im like so close to big progress that makes it all like useless again kinda thing

[wraith timber]

im not the one to say this but at this stage you'll resample alot anyway
it's kinda worth whenever you get huge chunk of skill eff

[polar geyser]

get this up, get my fury to sov and then rift slug will get me 280 max talents so i can then get like symbol to 280 on every character and maybe get 300 talents potentially, which would be massive for then printing etc

like my checkouts are so slow ive never been able to like really justify wasting a ton of books of trying to get up like 5 or 10 levels here and there

so it would be like, if i hit the 280 max then get symbols i can just non max book these to even if i get like a lucky 90% of it would still be well over double it

[wraith timber]

hmm, going for sov fury relic? imo at least get most eldritch first
like yeah you can go for it but keep it at like, 50/50
one half of boats all go for sov fury, the other half goes for other islands just to get much artis

[polar geyser]

im at eldritch on fury relics

just slowly ticking off things atm

[wraith timber]

not a bad spread yea

[polar geyser]

so yeah only thing i like really want out of these is fury, after that im happy just completely splitting my boats to everything else and just 2 hourly claiming etc, even though thats mostly what im doing atm since my arti chance isnt high enough to warrant grinding sov fury

[white lintel]

Justice should help with its arti chance

[polar geyser]

yeahhhhh im thinking i should just chuck them all back into justice for a bit

[wraith timber]

my luck today is kinda awkward
i still havent gotten winz at all despite getting the 3 other lanterns at eldritch ;__;

[polar geyser]

i feel that luck, people laughed at me when i said i was gonna end up getting all of the first island relics to eldritch before i get my faux tusk to ancient, and it happened, if i had sov unlocked im sure i would have hit them to sov before that too

[wraith timber]

😭

[polar geyser]

time to make me some biggie eyes

[honest cradle]

rip bank space

[polar geyser]

nah i just threw them in to get the screenshot

its been like 2.5 pages of my vman for a while i just chucked a couple 1h candies on planks to get some circulars cause i finally caved in

i need mroe

[somber depot]

WE HAVE SUMMONING BOSSES?

[mint quartz]

yessir

[somber depot]

RAH

[mint quartz]

big summoning gains

think people are pushing 220+ endless now

[honest cradle]

I just improved nugget by 100, that eats that invisible buff for basically nothing

I am sad

[somber depot]

I'm alr at 223

Been there for around a week now

[honest cradle]

I pushed to about 120 and got bored

[mint quartz]

damn thats insane

you can push way way more now

[somber depot]

Ayyyy

I have 8b stats

How many bosses can I do?

[naive kayak]

Yeah that's nothing now

[somber depot]

Average neglector

[somber depot]

I wonder how beeeg my stats will get

[mint quartz]

4x for each boss? maybe even more

[honest cradle]

I think imma pull chars into bravery for a while

[somber depot]

Oh my

[mint quartz]

theres w6 trophy with damage multi, afk multi and a perma 10% prisma bubble effect when u unlock it

[tidal trail]

how to get that?

[mint quartz]

potti questline

[somber depot]

The last dragonic :3

I believe this is balanced

[limpid bough]

db or ww hood

[twin spire]

DB cuz its prettier imo

[wraith timber]

both are whatever but im picking db just because bones

[limpid bough]

db is prettier but like

I like ww as a class more

[polar geyser]

time to get me some summoning done

[honest cradle]

o db class aht

[limpid bough]

db is bad I dont like it

[naive kayak]

db so you can get to 30 max talents faster

[honest cradle]

I still need that

[polar geyser]

but we can get both when we get the db pack

[limpid bough]

ohh true

[limpid bough]

idk if I will, if I have the money then i will

(child diff)

[polar geyser]

child diff

btw whats your dmg like?

[limpid bough]

9.6T

almost have purple damage number

[wraith timber]

i used to hate ww just because stones were gambling
now im not sure but 500 stones for a guaranteed is both cool and dumb to me

[polar geyser]

[limpid bough]

better than nothing

[sullen oar]

What characters are best to keep in the lab pernamently?

[wraith timber]

bubo

[limpid bough]

the last 3 characters you uber neglect /j

[polar geyser]

first cyan done lets gooooo

[true hamlet]

Summoning is soo... sickening

[limpid bough]

summoning is my 2nd favorite skill

[white lintel]

You don’t ever keep any in permanently, just until you can light up the whole mainframe and then later to get to 2100 total lab level (and even later for extra total skill levels for bravery)

[polar geyser]

WINNER

[true hamlet]

Stepsister

[sullen oar]

Thanks

[true hamlet]

They have so much hp though... so boring

[white lintel]

Much?

[honest cradle]

then just do one a day

[quiet crane]

morni

[limpid bough]

morning dome

[polar geyser]

morning dome

BIGGG

[true hamlet]

Glass cannons are laggy 😂 there's just hundreds of em stacked up

[white lintel]

Hot

[limpid bough]

I get red summoning soon

[polar geyser]

did someone say max meals soon

[white lintel]

I can if you want me to

[polar geyser]

[honest cradle]

You getting to 110 jake?

[limpid bough]

sigh mine are at 60

[wraith timber]

i can prob get more max meal lvls from db but i want to buy the hat first before spending my charred bones

[white lintel]

Hats are cool

[polar geyser]

sadly notttt but getting closeeee

[wraith timber]

especially db hat yeah, it has aura

[polar geyser]

i need the db more than anything atm which if i get the db pack then should be a lot easier

big juiceeeee

[wraith timber]

big

[honest cradle]

I have had quite bad luck with the meal arti so mine are behind

[polar geyser]

who needs attack when you can just outspam them

[wraith timber]

i havent gotten sov on it either

[polar geyser]

thank god that fair play is over

[white lintel]

Woe, 1 lane fair play upon thee

[polar geyser]

[honest cradle]

There are many more fair plays to go. IT is suffering but you get nice boosts

[thorny zinc]

I played summoning for 2-3 hours yesterday💀

[silent sundial]

How do I unlock nyanborgir?

[white lintel]

Check wiki, it has optimal spice set ups

[polar geyser]

game had me worried there for a second

[somber depot]

Where's the W3 boss

[mint quartz]

equinox

[somber depot]

Ah

[polar geyser]

how hard are the w1 w2 bosses etc?

[somber depot]

That was the only place I didn't check

[red relic]

tuttle vial unlocked on first drop ez

[somber depot]

Easy for me but they have million stats off rip

Blessed by sparkies

[polar geyser]

ahhhh hmmmm, im debating if its worth me trying to do em with like 20k dmg 80k hp

omfg thank god

[silent sundial]

I'll get it later, currently at skydoggies, tq for your info

[polar geyser]

well i was up to 1 off of finishing yellow so like 10 on blue, 8 on purple and like 4 on red 0 cyan

[honest cradle]

Also, the chat rings affecting npcs is very trippy\

[polar geyser]

this is decent progress for no life lost

and another like 3 infinite waves done

[honest cradle]

got into cyan. thats huge

[somber depot]

Vman is shiet

[polar geyser]

now the question is, do i run the fade

[white lintel]

Water found in lake

[honest cradle]

No reason not use up all trys

[dreamy solar]

Time to start the maestro grind lol

[polar geyser]

the jeweled 2x bloomy came in so clutchhhhh

[somber depot]

New essence gain lookin amazin

[polar geyser]

BIGGG

[polar geyser]

that is gorgeousss

[limpid bough]

6.54x total damage from summoning hmmm

[polar geyser]

i dont think i can push them anymore for now sadly

[limpid bough]

12T WAHOOOO

PURPLE NUMBER

[white lintel]

Yay!

[limpid bough]

summoning my goat

[polar geyser]

i will catch youuuu

[limpid bough]

79% exp cog

[polar geyser]

ooooo finally doing your construct i see

[limpid bough]

IVE BEEN CLICKING COGS

[polar geyser]

mhmmmm

how far up from 1.2k now are you

[limpid bough]

my rate is just not great so I can get max 9 at once

[limpid bough]

exp%?

2.43k

br 6.5m

[thorny zinc]

Myyyy duddeesss. Whats going on?

[limpid bough]

hi shadow

[thorny zinc]

Hi Marion

[limpid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/tenna-ant-tenna-deltarune-deltarune-chapter-3-chapter-3-gif-189610396636166851

[polar geyser]

1 more fairplay done fuck that mode

[limpid bough]

jake whats the red special summon

[polar geyser]

noooo i meant cogs trashed, but also 1.4k exp increase is bigggg nie

[thorny zinc]

Real

[somber depot]

Started with 8B today

[polar geyser]

one of the best

[limpid bough]

and please tell me if red has a dmg%

[polar geyser]

insanity

[thorny zinc]

Yes

[limpid bough]

yellow has hp% but no dmg% yet

YESSSSSSS FINALLY

[thorny zinc]

And cyan has 2 but one is dogshit

[somber depot]

Truly

[limpid bough]

blue summoning 2 for w7

[somber depot]

4*

[limpid bough]

also wheres the green stone

[thorny zinc]

Lanterns i think

My fav map

[polar geyser]

i love being able to hold left click brainlessly its so nice

[somber depot]

Lanters by fireflies

[mint quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/dread-gif-9297534368979050018

[polar geyser]

bloomy is the goat never bad mouth them

[thorny zinc]

[polar geyser]

ew

[zenith hare]

that ones easy as it only has 3hp

fair play is the bad one

[thorny zinc]

Thats okay compared with the lane stacking

[zenith hare]

god knows why but it doesnt scale down in hp

so it takes 10 mins to win

[somber depot]

Wait until bro hears about invincibility

[mint quartz]

single lane lane stacking

[zenith hare]

it is absolute pain

[thorny zinc]

Horrible modifier

[somber depot]

Trying to do this with 8B stats was pain

[zenith hare]

oh that should easily be doable

[somber depot]

Now it is

[polar geyser]

trueee trueeee

[zenith hare]

take damage till ur down to 1 health then spam rek it

[somber depot]

but 223 before was my cap

[polar geyser]

i dont mind invincibility cause i can just like find the middle of the board and hold left click and the ones above and below just catch the like cyan guys

but fair play most aids by far

[somber depot]

Even then I still failed

[zenith hare]

thats a skill issue

[polar geyser]

cause its like oh you set up bloomy and cyan? nah fuck those guys

[polar geyser]

i guess anotehr long one

[zenith hare]

no thats the easiest one

you just spam down one lane and let them hurt you while you barrage it

wins in 30 secs

[polar geyser]

perfect

[somber depot]

New stats s

[somber depot]

Oh that's the best of them

[polar geyser]

definitely wasnt as bad as i thought you were both right i can just mindless left click in the middle

tbf is it even worth me doing endless right now is there any current bonuses that good for me

or should i just save it for a bored day

[true hamlet]

Do it.

[heavy harbor]

Once you unlock all pets and their shiny versions, is there any reason to care about the upgrades gene splicing, egg rarity, pastpresent brood, paint bucket, overwhelmed golden egg or failsafe restitution? I used to think the multis affected pet power, but I'm mostly sure now that they don't.

[polar geyser]

nevermind shoulodnt have done it

[thorny zinc]

Noob

[polar geyser]

hes got double my hp and triple my dmg

[somber depot]

Nearly died

The boss was literally at my spawn point

[polar geyser]

[somber depot]

Pretty hilarious

[polar geyser]

the cyan guys come in so clutch for those sometimes just the push backs

jesusssss 19k

[somber depot]

Bosses don't get knockback

Much much easier

[polar geyser]

you inspired me

[true hamlet]

Oh I got to 300k lmfao

Summoning is just gambling smh

[polar geyser]

oh also poetic where was the w1 and 2 boss stones so i dont have to go look

[true hamlet]

I have T damae and they have Q hp

I'm going to need to find a way to get 5x red bonus I think

[somber depot]

White is at the summonig guy the map before lanterns and the Green is at lanterns

[polar geyser]

[wraith timber]

im not poetic but they're in mars (they dont exist)

[polar geyser]

[true hamlet]

223 is invincibility

Need to check when the next lane stacking is

[somber depot]

That 4x is gonna be like a 1.8x in stats

[limpid bough]

summoning and sailing are so peak

[somber depot]

Stats before

[polar geyser]

hows your sailinggg

[somber depot]

Stats after

[limpid bough]

sailing is sailing

[polar geyser]

another 2x

[polar geyser]

it do beee

[true hamlet]

Endless 224 down, +1 stamp a day

Nice

Lmao, I have 29t damage and 6.9t hp, they have 69q damage and 137q hp

[somber depot]

You've finally caught up :3

Lemme see your stats

[true hamlet]

I was at endless 146 before update... I didn't neglect that hard lmao

[somber depot]

I was endless 223 before upd :p

[robust marsh]

Yo

[somber depot]

Hayo

[somber depot]

endless?

[true hamlet]

226

[somber depot]

I'm at 225 rn

[true hamlet]

ok

I expected 251 from you

[somber depot]

I neglect summoning

hilarious

[near latch]

How does one do this one? Too many attacks staggered across too long to be able to block em all

[somber depot]

Mono? You wanna sleep there?

[near latch]

Its the recommended team in the pet guide...

[thorny zinc]

💀

[naive kayak]

Mimic was nerfed so you're going to die anyway now I'm pretty sure

[rocky ether]

@woeful karma I think I'll join you in entering the next world tomorrow. You'll be W4, I'll be W3. Staying in W2 is no longer an option after the last update. This damn popup just never disappears. So I'll have to use the printer. Thus, I'll enter W3 T_T

I'll finish some last things today, I guess.. like that pack mule craft task n stuff...

[daring aspen]

trying to follow along with a bubo guide and im already stuck at the talent part of the tutorial, can anyone give some tips or guides on how to get a lot of talent points? This guy seemingly has an unending supply of it while i can barely keep up and have to sacrifice efficiency

[naive kayak]

You only really begin getting max talent levels once you're in W5 and W6

[daring aspen]

yahoo

[naive kayak]

The biggest being a sailing relic that when maxed gives you 100 max talent

[true hamlet]

!maxtalents

[candid scarab]

Struggling to find out how to raise the level of your talent points to hit that next threshold? Trickzbunny and jiof made this fancy sheet that will let you know what you're missing and how to get it!

[daring aspen]

jesus

[true hamlet]

that one is outdated, so use the newer one

[naive kayak]

True

[near latch]

I mean...if it was nerfed and im gonna die now...how do you even clear the later stages now?...

[mint quartz]

peadpod/rattler/looter/trasher/refill/refill

[thorny zinc]

200 when

[quiet crane]

allo :>

@polar geyser mornin

[polar geyser]

morninggg

[mint quartz]

why is 100k nigiri so slow

[true hamlet]

is it? I just woke up and found 110k nigiri in my chest 😂

+2 beanstalk, don't mind if I do

[mint quartz]

i need more dr and crystal chance fr

[polar geyser]

one downnnn

[mint quartz]

im about to hit lvl 700 already from doing minichiefs for the past few days

[true hamlet]

we're going to be here for a bit I guess

[polar geyser]

my first ones

[polar geyser]

[thorny zinc]

how much dr and crystal chance do u have?

[true hamlet]

buildrate go brr

[polar geyser]

time to try go for the vial

is there a hotkey to drop them?

[mint quartz]

70x and 1 in 36 now

[polar geyser]

cause ive been dragging em out every time but ive just been forgetting to ask

[true hamlet]

shift click

[raw current]

shift click

[thorny zinc]

yeah you can prob work more on your crystal chance

[polar geyser]

godsend

[true hamlet]

I should go finish my elims

[raw current]

for death note?

[true hamlet]

eliminations

[polar geyser]

[true hamlet]

stopwatch it fr

[mint quartz]

some more exalt stamp bonus % from ww, stamp levels and shrines i suppose

waiting for card doublers too

[thorny zinc]

[mint quartz]

if only we had shrine xp (im still mad)

[thorny zinc]

dont remind me

[wraith timber]

.

[true hamlet]

I

[thorny zinc]

classic

[true hamlet]

am so broke

[mint quartz]

is the construction one even good

[thorny zinc]

additive

[polar geyser]

i dont think so

[true hamlet]

I

[mint quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/elgatitolover-cat-kitty-elgatito-explosion-gif-8874415577877859154

[true hamlet]

I think it's good if you have level 2 construction

[wraith timber]

additive im gonna kms ppl are idiot

[mint quartz]

move the ballot box to w7 fr

[true hamlet]

It's additive, you can check the wiki

[thorny zinc]

yeah ppl dont care about late game things they will always vote what they need (coins additive bonus)

[wraith timber]

I

[true hamlet]

I doubt I'll be able to push endless that far if I can't get the cinderdomeo and freezslush up 1 more tier

[wraith timber]

class xp vote 🗿

[red relic]

time to see how far i can make it into W6 TD

[wraith timber]

i was abit paranoid on that TD too

until i realized i hit wave 80 and thats the highest of all TDs i ever did

[red relic]

that is my goal. just tie my other scores at least

its been a minute since i have done a td and a lot of my towers have ballooned in level from the summoning bonuses i unlocked over the past few days

also got the equinox upgrade and some atom bonuses

[indigo pebble]

Would it be smart to put my tier 11 ribbon on fried eggs?

[true hamlet]

oh wait... I just remembered trimmed slots do go brr

[true hamlet]

no

[indigo pebble]

Which are the best to put ribbons on

Cabbage?

[true hamlet]

Yumi, cauliflower, skill eff etc.

cabbage is fine, just slap a t7-8 on it though

[naive kayak]

Meal speed% if you're literally just starting out

[indigo pebble]

Yea I only have up to cheese

[wraith timber]

whats cauliflower again? atk speed?
i thought it was crap

[mint quartz]

very good, especially for db

[true hamlet]

attack speed is great

[limpid bough]

attack speed makes me happy

[wraith timber]

i noticed it was decent for db but thats about it
although (dont quote me on this) i recall it's capped by your weapon speed?

so in my end if i dont craft higher weapons its not gonna be big 🙂

[wraith timber]

all essence yuge

[mint quartz]

yeah scaling off the base speed of the weapon, so with the godshard weapon it will be way better than with a scythe for example

[polar geyser]

we take thoseeee

[red relic]

i tripled my artifact find today

Summoning bonuses really went brrrrt

[limpid bough]

why is music so hard ☹️

wait jake how is your summoning so high so fast

[white lintel]

What’s hard about music? Playing it?

Jake is just cooler than you

[limpid bough]

trying to recreate something

second verse is off by one thingy

so I have to move everything ONE space over

[white lintel]

My tone deaf ass could never, I love music but I am buns at it

[limpid bough]

I quit

I eventually wanna compose music but like goddamn this sucks

[true hamlet]

yeah I think this stat diff is

I'm off by a million times

[limpid bough]

The Winterer my inspiration for like everything I make

[quiet crane]

@limpid bough :>

[limpid bough]

whoaaaa

[lime valve]

I need that

[limpid bough]

so pro

[limpid bough]

also @quiet crane I hit 12T

I have purple number now

[true hamlet]

smells like neglect

[quiet crane]

💯 grats x)

[slow warren]

Where are the summoning bosses in w3? I couldnt find any

[true hamlet]

have you not touched summoning since the update?

[true hamlet]

equinox

[quiet crane]

gulp

[slow warren]

Ah hell nah

Mist have overlooked it, thanks

[limpid bough]

summoning pvp when /j

[quiet crane]

its gonna be a paid game :,

[limpid bough]

refinery change might be top 10 best changes ever

this is infinitely better

[quiet crane]

what change

[limpid bough]

now refines whenever it has power

no more 10% 25% whatever

[lime valve]

My summoning level is lower than your😢

[quiet crane]

oh thats pretty cool

[mint quartz]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3507960/Idlemancer/?curator_clanid=44064918

Steam

Idlemancer

Features
*
Realtime PvP: defeat your opponent by reaching the right-side of the screen with your slimes! Don't let them reach your side...

• …

Release Date

Q3 2025

[jade willow]

yeah its either on or off, which makes its much easier

[limpid bough]

I dont think you need much salt anymore but still

[quiet crane]

@limpid bough

[true hamlet]

hehe my AC has a higher level

[lime valve]

Just started pushing again couple hrs ago

[quiet crane]

me when im activing 40 hours a day for 3 weeks

[limpid bough]

I love portal locks as a mechanic but holy shit this is so annoying....

I like that it stops rushers

[true hamlet]

I should start doing active AC you say? :KEKW:

[limpid bough]

but just leeks is giving me issues

[quiet crane]

it doesnt..

[lime valve]

I haven't even push AC

[true hamlet]

leeks are giving you problems?

just chop them up and eat

[quiet crane]

wat the hell

whoah

[limpid bough]

ww has 162k kph on mama trolls

[red relic]

aww my game crashed on wave 70 of W6 TD :(

at least it looks like it counted wave 70. Just lost the souls and was still going strong

[lime valve]

Do you have any 🎀 on it

[quiet crane]

im saying the new effect dawg

what am i gonna do with new recipe speed

[lime valve]

Beats me

[limpid bough]

new effect..?

[quiet crane]

:v

[lime valve]

I used ladles

[quiet crane]

arrows n shit

[wraith timber]

oh arrows

[limpid bough]

oh I thought you meant canopy got changed

[wraith timber]

yea theyre ugly

[limpid bough]

I like them

reminds me to actually do kitchen upgrades lel

[wraith timber]

i mean, kitchen upgrades for any kitchen that isnt kitchen 1~3 are just useless

unless sure you want to add the upgrade count for higher new pet chances, but thats so inefficient

[quiet crane]

tru

[wraith timber]

much better to save up for jewels/chips i suppose

[quiet crane]

wait thats not tru

[wraith timber]

?

[quiet crane]

my 4th has the speed as my 3rd and 2nc

[true hamlet]

kitchen upgrades are always good to have

[jade willow]

just wish there was an option to turn off the arrow im max level until i get the jade artifact

[quiet crane]

2nd*

[wraith timber]

doesnt matter if i have 1st kitchen as ritchelin

[quiet crane]

it rly does matter, first one is only like 30% of all kitchen speed

[limpid bough]

sadly I couldnt get the jewel this rotation

[quiet crane]

:,

[limpid bough]

1.86k spice out of 5k lmao

[jade willow]

so close yet so far

[wraith timber]

even with borger setup?

[jade willow]

1990 on this week's soda cans

[wraith timber]

ww on soda cans are huge yea

[limpid bough]

oh right killroy reset

[wraith timber]

idk if its on 3rd killroy or not, havent gotten it

[quiet hinge]

so where are people at endless summoning? im still at essence generator setup, not full damage, and havent hit a wall

[true hamlet]

people are hitting 240+

[quiet hinge]

oops wrong room, why does it always change... 😄

240? geez

this tells me 240+ is a bit much

[thorny zinc]

its not updated

[quiet hinge]

better ask gen chat too to hear some results

[thorny zinc]

ppl can push a lot now because of those new stones + AC

[thorny zinc]

for example im at 186 now

[true hamlet]

it's endless

[true hamlet]

is that glass cannon? shouldn't be too hard

[thorny zinc]

yeah...about that..

[true hamlet]

Fair Play is ironically the hardest 😂

I'm back on Essence though..

I'll retry when I can clear blue boss 4 and cinderdomeo 4

[limpid bough]

villager xp for arcade?

[true hamlet]

but this is what I'm sitting at now, enemy has Q hp

[true hamlet]

yeah sure

[night oracle]

How do I get my equinox to go brrr

[true hamlet]

uh, 💳

equinox penguins

[limpid bough]

equinox dreamer pack

[night oracle]

I have both of those ;-;

[vestal spire]

I got to wave 44 with this anything I can improve

[fresh parrot]

got the 48% multi equinox spd from conjruer?

[night oracle]

This was close tbh

[night oracle]

Think so

[night oracle]

Merc, looter, refiller, borger

[vestal spire]

Whts merc

[red relic]

they don't have borger for a while

[vestal spire]

And also where is borgor cuz I didn't unlock

[somber depot]

Doot at 32Q was right at my spawn point

[fresh parrot]

how much does you bar need atp 😭

[vestal spire]

Where is borgor

[somber depot]

Nutto and a couple others

[fresh parrot]

got 5× white?

[night oracle]

More than 5k :(

[fresh parrot]

eh.. what's your fill rate

[limpid bough]

red summoning unlocked

[night oracle]

Correction I need 9.5k
I get 2695/h

[ebon marsh]

Okay I am so damn confused - before the update my pets made it to arena level 95. Now, with higher pet levels and the new pet dmg upgrade I died at like 75??

Was it just bad luck of skills triggering wrong or??

[night oracle]

Could be RNG, what you using

[fresh parrot]

that's good doe qwq
I'm at 18k req with 1.9k fil rate

[true hamlet]

Isn't that quick

[somber depot]

Triple overtime hit 1q

[night oracle]

Not enough :(

[ebon marsh]

rattler, monolithic, defender and two refillers

[fresh parrot]

that's really quick

[night oracle]

Me want more brrr

[somber depot]

Could hit 2q

[night oracle]

Monolith in arena xD poor you waiting many hours

I'm a monolith hater

[somber depot]

Mono? You just wanna sleep

[ebon marsh]

I know, the 95 took like ages lmfao, but I don't get why I suddenly died at 75

[lavish adder]

going to try my first attempt at a big sample run, is it best to have everyone on goat god (ES on tiger) then whack my hole god on the snake? for max afk gains?

[somber depot]

2q hit

[fresh parrot]

sounds correct

[night oracle]

😭

[somber depot]

1m when?

[night oracle]

I wish

[fresh parrot]

117 to 152

I've yet to need seeing red

[somber depot]

It's not really a need until around 180

[true hamlet]

Nah, it's only needed at 200+

[somber depot]

But even then you can just blast thru it

[white lintel]

You want Arctis, Goat, and snake

[night oracle]

I should fix my construction mastery .....

[fresh parrot]

yeah even without seeing red you can Pretty much overwhelm with sheer number

[night oracle]

Yes and no

If you have 0 damage they will stack up and you won't get through

[fresh parrot]

at 4.6T damage
enemy hp 41 t

[true hamlet]

You can try.... I'm telling you they'll just overwhelm you instead of the other way around

[night oracle]

Oh yeah fair

[fresh parrot]

anyone gotten 5× bonus on stones except white yet?

[true hamlet]

Yes

[night oracle]

Yes

I just got green

[fresh parrot]

which stones?

[atomic scroll]

not yet

[true hamlet]

I have purple

Close to beating blue but not yet

[fresh parrot]

until purple is wild

wait what

[night oracle]

How?

Blue is easier

[true hamlet]

Is it?

[night oracle]

It is xD

[fresh parrot]

it's supposed to be

[night oracle]

Blue comes before purple

[fresh parrot]

hp scales by worlds

[true hamlet]

I thought blue had 256q and blue had 512q

[night oracle]

Huh?

[true hamlet]

You can check the stones

[white lintel]

Blue

[night oracle]

Blue and blue

[fresh parrot]

will after this stupid goddamn no lane stack

[night oracle]

That's for 5x

[true hamlet]

Oh blue is 1qq.. right

I could only deal luke 700q

[fresh parrot]

just 1? gee

[night oracle]

1qq

[fresh parrot]

yeeep nvm

[night oracle]

Then no way you got purple

[true hamlet]

What's purp

[night oracle]

I think purple was like 12.8qq

[true hamlet]

I don't think so

[night oracle]

Wait WTF

[true hamlet]

Yeah it's all over the place, cry about it

[night oracle]

I will cry because I still can't clear this

XD

[west pilot]

i'm still wondering were i lack dmg on summoning

[fresh parrot]

time to go to white and try other stones 5×

[west pilot]

my sum dmg is like garbage

[true hamlet]

Anything 20t to 100t is fine

Base of course

[west pilot]

Nah i'm not even near 1T

[true hamlet]

Doublers?

[west pilot]

That's why i was wondering

Have the base dmg ones doubled

[true hamlet]

Dmg laundering infinite dmg?

[west pilot]

i'll check then

proly have to do some gambit

don't have the 10 doublers from event

[fresh parrot]

can't do green 5×

[true hamlet]

That's the base 19, you would probably have it

[fresh parrot]

why cyan inf essence generation on pushin?

[true hamlet]

Because, nothing else will help with pushing so might as well

[west pilot]

cost ones are capped right?

[true hamlet]

Capped or scale badly, idk

[night oracle]

You only have 19 doublers?

[night oracle]

I do not agree with blue jeweled cards

My jeweled card chance is at 180% and I barely get any cards

[true hamlet]

I'm not a whale 😂

[true hamlet]

So more chance = better..

[night oracle]

144%*

No, it's 100% capped

[true hamlet]

So?

[night oracle]

Well, not capped at 100%, but it's like a 30% cap

[true hamlet]

What else do you want to use doublers on

[night oracle]

Getting 72% which is already above the cap makes no sense to double, might as well put it into something else that seems nice

[true hamlet]

Such as?

[night oracle]

This is all I got doubled

[true hamlet]

Why health

What's health going to do 💀

[night oracle]

what else

[true hamlet]

Exactly, so might as well shove on jeweled

[night oracle]

At least health does something for gambit

[true hamlet]

Because you really don't need more than 16 to 17 doublers

[true hamlet]

It doesn't

[night oracle]

It does

lets you use less cards early on to stack more mana

[true hamlet]

Why, because you can't infinitely spam?

[night oracle]

I'm not talking about when costs are below 100

[sonic lagoon]

Does anyone have the sheet of which refinery rank should each my salt be at?

[night oracle]

Just look at IT if you can sustain the next rankup or not

[true hamlet]

Ok... I was able to spam non stop for 17 minutes even when costs we're above 1k, it doesn't do shit

[sonic lagoon]

Idleon tool?

[night oracle]

Yes, the numbers between brackets are what you need after the rankup, if it's red don't rankup

[night oracle]

On which gambit?

[true hamlet]

I lost kings gambit with 1.5m mana, you literally regen faster than you can spam

Queen was the same thing

[somber depot]

:0

[fresh parrot]

117-> 176 (can still go on, I just don't wanna do Fucking health loss/unit)

[night oracle]

Interesting because for me it definitely wasn't like that with king or queen

[true hamlet]

I have the 5x purp so it's different, purp is huge for mana regen, so that could be it

[somber depot]

@true hamlet I just realised I was counting my total wins and not my inf summoning

[night oracle]

True

[true hamlet]

Purp has mana regen and final card

[night oracle]

😭

[thorny zinc]

rip my pc

[night oracle]

Imagine not having 5x purple and missing out on 3.2x because of it

[sonic lagoon]

Any situation looking dire, had to stop green salt for a while

[night oracle]

Consider seeing red ;)

[thorny zinc]

😭

[somber depot]

Why do you have like zero hp

[night oracle]

What are your blue and green ranks?

[thorny zinc]

because i focus damage more

[somber depot]

Before

[somber depot]

And yet we basically have the same dmg

[night oracle]

Where is after?

[somber depot]

Gimmie 14 mins

[turbid stag]

Soon ™

[night oracle]

Only 14??

[night oracle]

If you already had 10min you can easily get 18

[night oracle]

Keep ranking green

[sonic lagoon]

Will once my orange salt ranks up

[night oracle]

second tab cycles are 2,5x slower than first tab

[hexed shoal]

Always keep ranking red and green

[night oracle]

Always rank up green and red

[somber depot]

Idk how long I just gave an estimate

[night oracle]

Even I got 16 on queen lmao

[fresh parrot]

weee

[night oracle]

I barely had 7 minutes before update

[night oracle]

gg?

[fresh parrot]

yep won

[night oracle]

Nice

[fresh parrot]

oh wait

I never finished yellow, no wonder I thought something was missing

[night oracle]

Lol

[fresh parrot]

8T damage definitely can't do purp still

[sonic lagoon]

Aight but what if I run into blue salt deficiency

[somber depot]

Lemme see stats

Makes me happy to see

[night oracle]

You won't

[hexed shoal]

That probably won't happen soon

[night oracle]

My green is 6 ranks higher and I only use half my blues

[hexed shoal]

Like Akaru said above, synth cycle takes longer than combustion cycles

So your basically making blues faster then you could eat em

[night oracle]

This is why we talk in w3-w4
W6 is absolutely useless

[fresh parrot]

I'd just do even spread on crop evo with around 200ish on all og

ignore farm exp/land rank exp tbh not as useful as the bonuses from new crops

[somber depot]

I agree, but you need to get rid of those apples

You'll be chillin with this little

[night oracle]

I

Know....

[somber depot]

Just use your weekly

[night oracle]

But I don't want to reset without know wtf I should be getting

[somber depot]

We're roughly around the same level so just kindause my setup

You wanna focus first evo, last evo and the last two OG's

[neon crest]

where is this ?

[night oracle]

Is hotair's calculator still valid?

[night oracle]

Farming land ranks

[sonic lagoon]

Ahhh I never knew it only took half the blue salt

[neon crest]

where i see this ?

[somber depot]

Yeah it's pretty slow to scale on cost

[night oracle]

In farming, click land ranks

[thorny zinc]

im feeling like im fighting a elden ring boss atp

[night oracle]

You need to unlock it in the night market

[night oracle]

Where is your DB

[thorny zinc]

afk

[night oracle]

Isn't DB stronger :(

[true hamlet]

62

[thorny zinc]

idk i saw jiof using es and i used it too and it seems okay

[true hamlet]

I just used whatever I was on

[thorny zinc]

💀

[true hamlet]

should be better than db

DK could be better, AC too perhaps

[somber depot]

Sub 3 acheived

[thorny zinc]

i used SB because high damage. never use him again

[night oracle]

Well time to just fuck up my land ranks, brb

[thorny zinc]

is bad or good?

[true hamlet]

idk, all I know is I need more damage multi

[thorny zinc]

buy the NEW PHOENIX WINGS

for only 20$

[true hamlet]

where's yours 😂

[thorny zinc]

i dont think they are really worth it

[cursive cove]

Hey everyone I'm on world 3 talking to the set armor guy and I've made an entire set of copper with the tools and he's not marking it off as complete. Any suggestions?

[thorny zinc]

click on the armor

[zenith hare]

no SB is better

[somber depot]

This could've said 1 day

[true hamlet]

still low

[cursive cove]

I have it equipped on me is that right?

[thorny zinc]

you think?

[mint quartz]

once equipped, click on the armour again and it will register the set

[somber depot]

Twins basically

[night oracle]

Wtf? SB is good for something?

[somber depot]

Raw damage I believe

[thorny zinc]

for smeling

[zenith hare]

only raw damage and smelting

[mint quartz]

smelling

[thorny zinc]

[zenith hare]

until refinery rank 15k+ then dk is better again

[night oracle]

Right....

[mint quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-deniz-deniz-gif-23653159

[cursive cove]

Thank you Shadow and Iacchus you saved me a morning of frustration lol 🤣

[thorny zinc]

OH NO. ITS STINKY INSPECTOR

[night oracle]

[thorny zinc]

never listen to those guys. they are noobs

[mint quartz]

true big noobs here

[night oracle]

Show 400 talents

:(

[night oracle]

Fuck

[thorny zinc]

[night oracle]

Wait without comb?

[zenith hare]

tbf 400 is easy to get nowadays

[thorny zinc]

with

[night oracle]

Ohhh ggs

[zenith hare]

due to equin massive boost

[thorny zinc]

i got it like 2 days ago or smth

[true hamlet]

yeah it is easy 😂

[night oracle]

[thorny zinc]

right..

[night oracle]

I have 410 max talents with this

Proves how easy it is

[true hamlet]

ouch only 33

[thorny zinc]

classic

[true hamlet]

oh that means you haven't even cleared 194 yet

[thorny zinc]

im at 189

[night oracle]

I will +1 you

[true hamlet]

oh.......

[night oracle]

Wait why did you stop at 189?

[west pilot]

cause why not

[night oracle]

No lane stacking is after 190

[neon crest]

my land ranks is off

way ?

[night oracle]

?

[thorny zinc]

i stoped at the glass one but i just did it today and now im pushing

[night oracle]

Turn it on I guess

[night oracle]

Buy it from night market

[thorny zinc]

ohh another whale here

[night oracle]

No, they a shark

[thorny zinc]

lmao

[west pilot]

i have to push too

[thorny zinc]

yeah its crazy easy now

[night oracle]

Lava did so much but didn't reduce enemy side hp in fair play

[true hamlet]

yeah this was why I stopped 😂

[zenith hare]

that's the only thing I want for inf summoning

cause if you can deal damage in fair play, you'll win

just after a painfully long time

[true hamlet]

not really, it takes a decent amount of sparkies 😂

[night oracle]

Make it like off-side rule frfr

[true hamlet]

you need it to be pretty consistent, a small drought will cause a lost

[somber depot]

How tf are your stats so low

[west pilot]

i hate the health on the lane stacking one

[somber depot]

And how are you so far in

[true hamlet]

reset

[somber depot]

Ooooh

[true hamlet]

my stats with setup is uhh.... like 28T damage 6t hp

[zenith hare]

I have yet to need that

[true hamlet]

are you not at 220+?

[neon crest]

thx