midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[mossy anvil]

y, im a bit more than in half in m2 and there is no way i will survive on top floor

[warm grove]

Oh if you are in M2 wait until M3 to do it

[pulsar girder]

Have you been pumping the Diamond Chef bubble in alchemy, I think it’s been the biggest impact on new recipe speed

[cyan sequoia]

maybe upgrade fire on that kitchen too

[warm grove]

Also the better gold items help a lot

[pulsar girder]

I’ve been using like all the Bargain Tags i can on it cause every time it goes up by 0.01 my recipe speed gets like 1.5x faster lol

[odd osprey]

Oh yeah bargain tags

I should use those

[mossy anvil]

very good for putting bubbles in atom range

[pulsar girder]

I haven’t unlocked bubbling for atoms yet how expensive is it

[mossy anvil]

damn

[native forge]

48 in the tome is quite a w

[mossy anvil]

best u can do is just mittens recipe i believe

[dusk badge]

any suggestion for which pet should i unlock

[mossy anvil]

snealbie

[dusk badge]

can you tell me why

what makes it special

[mossy anvil]

because of his ability for spice battler

and nutto because of burger trait for producing spices

[dusk badge]

okay thank you

[fresh wagon]

got unmuted finnally

[dusk badge]

welcome back

[mossy anvil]

ah u were that guy lmao

[turbid stump]

Eggs

[night oracle]

Is there a point where I should just go over to my mushroom seeds to stack for bean trades instead of stacking speed GMO?

[wispy pecan]

[fresh wagon]

...

you

you pinged the mod

[full beacon]

wow you really went ham on farming huh

[night oracle]

I was just doing some active w6 pushing and every time I hit 3 growth cycles I'd harvest and go to next if 1k+ :)

[warm grove]

I didn't stack 1k on all until I had a decent magic bean value, so I did it easily with a few OGs and instagrows. should be able to do it a few crops before glassy crops easy enough

[royal schooner]

does polytheism allow me to have 2 blessings at once ?

[night oracle]

I don't have glassy yet, my highest is mushrooms

😭

[warm grove]

yeah I didn't need to get to glassy to start stacking. I started a bit late

[night oracle]

Also I'm at 3.9% per stack so upgrading that doesn't seem like a bad idea

[warm grove]

what's your avg land ranks?

[native forge]

mines like 30 smh

very not enjoying having to pay ridiculous gems

[warm grove]

you could probably get started either now or pretty soon

yeah I only bought 4 at the start

[thorny zinc]

nope i did

dont blame him for nothing

[warm grove]

I don't know what happened but sounds like a chad move ngl

hit him with the "mods crush his skull"

[thorny zinc]

if i was a mob i would ban him for what he posted tbh

bro is very lucky

[warm grove]

must've been pretty bad then

[mossy anvil]

Nope, that wasnt me, but i also didnt want to see that shit

[warm grove]

the edge is overwhelming

[native forge]

i think this is w3 ,w4 or maybe im wrong

[turbid stump]

What exactly mob if you were?

[thorny zinc]

mod😭

[warm grove]

he would be a boop

[thorny zinc]

bro

[fresh wagon]

huh

[fresh wagon]

you again

[thorny zinc]

yes your fav person

[fresh wagon]

you pinged the mod?

[thorny zinc]

back there? yes

[fresh wagon]

...

[thorny zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-hello-hi-silly-kitten-cat-wave-hello-gif-15245852903591135367

[fresh wagon]

guess what

[thorny zinc]

dont tell me you killed that frog?

[fresh wagon]

i did

[turbid stump]

Is that sneaky?

[fresh wagon]

not only that

[thorny zinc]

gg

[fresh wagon]

bout to do it irl

[thorny zinc]

no thx

[fresh wagon]

huh

[warm grove]

this might take a while

[thorny zinc]

only 19 years?

doable

[warm grove]

'only' 💔

also the displayed speed doesn't seem accurate in the sheet

[tawny ruin]

מישהו שמדבר עברית רוצה שיחה?

[warm grove]

my growth time is faster

[thorny zinc]

again

[warm grove]

#👀read-me

[tawny ruin]

no hebrow there

[warm grove]

sorry I guess we don't have a channel for it

[tawny ruin]

ik kinda anoying but ill just look for some1 who speaks my languege in this chat

[thorny zinc]

small chances to find someone

[warm grove]

good luck

[tawny ruin]

i found some1 but he just said he speak hebrow and then never said anything again xD

[thorny zinc]

lmao

[tawny ruin]

i was like asking he said me and then poof

[honest cradle]

Someone just called me a troll, super rude

[neon crow]

🤏

[turbid stump]

Shadow are you done with sailing btw?

[mossy anvil]

Who did dis

[thorny zinc]

yes

[turbid stump]

Damn, that good

Im still not xD

Not like im tryin but still

[honest cradle]

World 5 chat ruthless brigands

[thorny zinc]

i mean you took a long break

[warm grove]

you just have to be better than everyone else in there and its easy

[thorny zinc]

you know when i was waiting for troll. i finally got full gs

[turbid stump]

My break isnt done yeat

[native forge]

Fellow hole enjoyer

[turbid stump]

No way

[mint furnace]

justice best

[mossy anvil]

I see it lol

[native forge]

spoil for me 16th cave

[mint furnace]

icecream factory

[turbid stump]

Thats epic bruh, few month passed only lol

[mossy anvil]

Its easier to call u a troll than just search by your msgs

[warm grove]

it comes after the temple

[native forge]

it needs to be connected to fishes

[mint furnace]

no that's 17

[warm grove]

nah fishes are W7 thing

[thorny zinc]

its only that guy that doesnt understand that tds guides are good

[warm grove]

what? who doesn't understand that the guides are good?

[native forge]

i got worse score at w5 using guide than i done without it

[mint furnace]

agreed

[warm grove]

W5 is outdated that's why

lava modified the platforms on it

so it sucks super bad now

[thorny zinc]

yeah

he said pancake's guides are bad tho

[warm grove]

[thorny zinc]

hi bob

[mossy anvil]

Bob

[warm grove]

hey man

[mint furnace]

shadow doesn't like me

[native forge]

hey bob im ash

[thorny zinc]

no one likes timmy

[mint furnace]

why not

[thorny zinc]

you know why timmy dont act stupid

[mint furnace]

what

[turbid stump]

Me)
Well actually i see them as good and legit, but i personally using my own goofy strats lol

[thorny zinc]

you ruin our runs for ice cream

[thorny zinc]

you are an exception

[warm grove]

that's also completely fair, gotta be goofy sometimes

[mint furnace]

look all i want is icecream

[thorny zinc]

NO

[mint furnace]

giv

[turbid stump]

Td maniac

[warm grove]

you don't get any until lava releases more meals

[thorny zinc]

I become one too

[warm grove]

W5 one is pinchy

[mint furnace]

I've been asking him he said maybe later

[turbid stump]

Damn

[warm grove]

what happened? didn't redo?

[thorny zinc]

yeah

[turbid stump]

Bro overthrown me in every aspect now

[mint furnace]

oh
yumy

[warm grove]

yeah after this week, gotta finish gs vial, resample, then do TDs

[thorny zinc]

yeah lmao this week we are in jail

like timmy's dad

[warm grove]

not jail, paradise

[thorny zinc]

fair point

[mint furnace]

he was the person who was banned in w7

[turbid stump]

Let me guess, you got lab 2100 as well?

[thorny zinc]

yes

[warm grove]

lab 2100 is super easy ngl

[thorny zinc]

but dw im still the worst one here

[mint furnace]

i have lab 2070 rn ;-;

[thorny zinc]

so nothing changed

[turbid stump]

me litteraly in the chat

[thorny zinc]

noob

[mint furnace]

fairly certain i am worse in 90% of ways

[thorny zinc]

you havent played for a long time so its okay

[native forge]

after this week i'll be more xD

[turbid stump]

Yeah even i got it, i havent even played

[warm grove]

now gotta get to 3k lab

[thorny zinc]

rei shut up

and do 10k now

[turbid stump]

I doubt i even going to play as active as i used to honestly

[zenith hare]

when youve got to guardians yes

NOT before that.

[turbid stump]

Mb once-twice a day routine and that all

[warm grove]

guardians?

[mint furnace]

i am at minichiefs

[zenith hare]

that aint guardians :p

[thorny zinc]

samurai = guardians

[warm grove]

oh samurai guardians

lmao I forgot their full legal name

[tawny ruin]

do i start using my time candys at w3?

i have like 25 2h candys

[mint furnace]

samurai guardian Esquire, III.

[warm grove]

use time candies when you need them, but don't overuse them

[warm grove]

probably more than 3 ngl, i've killed a few

[mint furnace]

the three was abbreviated

it's actually 3 vigintillion

[warm grove]

hmm

finally I can maybe make it through the rest of M3

[mint furnace]

no

[warm grove]

that's what you think timmy

[mint furnace]

no

[warm grove]

my bad I forgot you don't think

[mint furnace]

no

[cyan sequoia]

bubo or es for kilroy?

[warm grove]

bubo if you have lvl 200 tent

[honest cradle]

well, 460 hampters while working

[mint furnace]

no

[honest cradle]

Can make a few new weapons

[limpid bough]

I have 3.5m mining efficiency and I dont even have anvil tab 4

am i cooked

[light peak]

hoooowww brooo😭 im on anvil tab 3 and most i got rn is 30k prolly gon be only 100k max when get max tab 3 pickaxe

[limpid bough]

Worship and trapping suck

I have to get frigid souls from w5 colo because im waiting for tower levels

and trapping levels are SO SLOW

[native forge]

have you used the power of nature traps

[limpid bough]

issue. my trapping levels are too low for even wooden.

[light peak]

what gear do you use when setting upp skilling for say mining (armor,rings etc)

[native forge]

just spam 20m traps ,hope for poison frogs, and up traps for everyone

early trapping is just like that ,it goes way faster on silkskin

[limpid bough]

viking helm, mining pants, 2 rex rings (will upgrade soon), 2 sushi keychains with %str

[light peak]

so those armors from merit shop world 2 carry all the way to endgame for skilling?

i got pants,boots,viking helm aswell

oh and the upgraded rex rings

[night oracle]

F11 sneaking sucks
I get so many of the heirlooms but not a single glove

[night oracle]

Of course for chestplate next would probably be dementia > void > troll > magma and then full kruk starts getting better than those efficiency% pieces

[dense fable]

I have dmg issues
Upgrading from Amarok to Troll armor will be massive change?

[warm grove]

No gear will full on save you from dmg issues

[dense fable]

[mossy anvil]

f9 in m2 btw

[limpid bough]

the boots have an upgrade

[warm grove]

Gotta go do some alchemy and all the skills

Overnight on M3 F9 I got 9 items

[dense fable]

I got the CC now
BUT
How do I get that many materials

[warm grove]

Printing

[mossy anvil]

print

[warm grove]

Need good samples

[native forge]

imagine nunchaku dmg

[dense fable]

I mean, yeah I am printing it, but a few levels/ day aren't gonna save my dmg

[warm grove]

And you’d better have royal sampler on all your guys

[night oracle]

10/10

[mossy anvil]

8/10

[warm grove]

Gonna one shot most doors I’d imagine

[dense fable]

this is the best I could do

[limpid bough]

why is it optimal to leave green salt on 0% like red

[warm grove]

Because the second page takes 4x longer than the first page

[native forge]

hmm, if you get good dementia print i'd stick to that 😄

[mossy anvil]

your prints rise overtime so it wont be 14m/h

[vestal hollow]

I have every breeding pet: what is the best build for DARMA MESA

[warm grove]

You using the guide?

[native forge]

fight ,or territory spice

[dense fable]

it will go higher yes, but still 2-3 upgrade/day on that bubble isn't changing my dmg soon XD

[vestal hollow]

fight

[dense fable]

and I want NOW right right NOW an upgrade for a Rift ( or at least soon , not weeks/months )

[light peak]

good thing i got gifted the 10x dmg pet XD

[warm grove]

New players do be impatient

[vestal hollow]

@native forge fight build

[warm grove]

!guide

[pulsar girder]

I think I’m about to hit the wall where this isn’t good enough anymore at Rift 40 or so lol I’m scared

[candid scarab]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[dense fable]

I got to this point in 2 months, I want to progress further really fast too

[warm grove]

Use the guide sheet under pets

[warm grove]

Well that’s not how it goes in W6

[native forge]

also rei just shared it there i believe

[dense fable]

I can push the W6, I am stuck on Rift

[pulsar girder]

What rift

[dense fable]

I want to unlock the Ruby card

[warm grove]

Not the maps

[light peak]

i got the 10x dmg pet gifted at world 1 i believe (bonkers)

[dense fable]

but I can't kill the mobs XD

[pulsar girder]

Twinsies I’m about to get the vial one and be stuck there too i think lol

[warm grove]

Lmao you can’t ruby 80% of the cards

[dense fable]

some cards may have Ruby level already, not sure if 43k is enough

[warm grove]

I can’t remember but the crystal ones are free

[high osprey]

my only ruby is gigafrog

[native forge]

dw, w6 aswell as golems are cancer to collect

[warm grove]

Lmao golems card

[pulsar girder]

It’ll be a nice upgrade to gigafrog, poop, etc right away

[warm grove]

Only a few hundred more days

[native forge]

gigafrog /stache /poop/ genie one of important cards

[pulsar girder]

Yeah!!

[native forge]

later you'd want doot and thermometer from w5

[dense fable]

so back to alchemy, shall I upgrade this ( I could do 2-3/day cause Material issue)
OR do other alchemy bubles? ( which are cheaper )

[pulsar girder]

I wonder how many loot obols my dk has grabbed while I’ve been at work. I hope it is many

[warm grove]

Do other ones

[native forge]

it would be better to upgrade dementia bubble if it's close in price to this

[mossy anvil]

prob just full obol inventory

[warm grove]

Oh no lag 100%

[dense fable]

after I am done with W2 onyx statues
shall I go to W3 ES statue farming ?

are there other goals or just push onyx ?

[warm grove]

No filter obols mean 0 fps

[warm grove]

ES ones are later

[native forge]

depends at where you are ,es ones might take ridiculously long

[dense fable]

oh, so DK on W4 ?

[native forge]

pretty sure u get w4 faster

[dense fable]

okay, then doing that

what DR is good for ES W3 onyx?

[pulsar girder]

Doubt it, didn’t happen overnight. I’m at 8.7x dr or something

[native forge]

ppl usually recommend 15+

[dense fable]

I Got 22 now

farming W2 onyx

[native forge]

so that's sufficient

[warm grove]

ES needs dmg

So wait on those

[honest cradle]

well im one pet away from the bop box but I was too late

[dense fable]

my best dmg is 6x this number that I can reach

[mint furnace]

;-;

[honest cradle]

Not gonna get that jewel sadge

[dense fable]

is that low for that mission ?

[warm grove]

Yeah not gonna cut it

Get at least T numbers first

[dense fable]

okay, ty

[mossy anvil]

dont underesitemate your lack of obol space

jokes aside, obols fills pretty quick

[honest cradle]

Which should I go for next? Another star sign pet?

[native forge]

gmush /wode board

[dense fable]

this W2 onyx adventure was perfect for some fragments

[warm grove]

Unlock them all before lvling

[mossy anvil]

shiny pet leveling speed ones

[craggy oxide]

shiny pet speed

it makes everything else more bearable

[pulsar girder]

Sure but i did leave it alone for 8hrs overnight and it didn’t fill up…

[honest cradle]

Does wiki show which shiny pet has which attirbute?

[warm grove]

Yes an IT does

[pulsar girder]

Do all the star signs wind up infinite?

[honest cradle]

So looks like gmush, wode, potato and quenchie

[craggy oxide]

I think you need 7 or 8 in all the infinite pets for it

[pulsar girder]

Do you get the negative effects of them infinite too

[dense fable]

about statues, shall I wait till I want to do a reprint run to use my statues ? (onyxed )
( and meanwhile upgrade this % ) ( I mean to wait to deposit them )

[warm grove]

I got 8 for all

Sure, more onyxes are better

[strange prism]

[native forge]

you get only positive ones ,so equipping them doesn't matter anymore, it only matters if you have chip that doubles starsigns ,it only works for those equipped

[strange prism]

work on the statue bubble as well

[honest cradle]

the more onyxes you have the more statues are worth when depositing

well prob check if kill roy reset then buy eggs

[white lintel]

Buy eggs?

[strange prism]

eggs?

[pulsar girder]

Nice, thanks for the info 🙂

[native forge]

100% is max that this works for xd ,and 200% on this vial isn't reachable

[warm grove]

Eggs

[strange prism]

Just DK w4 mini

[craggy oxide]

speaking of silkrode motherboard, (the starsign doubler) that's coming up in about a month.

[honest cradle]

am I misremembering the shop lmao

[native forge]

dont buy eggs from shop, do w4 colo instead if you have to

[strange prism]

should get hundreds from mini boss fairly easily

[native forge]

timmy ,sell me guide to scam

[mint furnace]

um

[dense fable]

oh, so if I got 100% I can deposit my statues anytime? ( those which are onyxed )

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/hologram-hologram-balatro-joker-balatro-gif-1547846471436232507

[native forge]

if it's 100% you have that out of the way, only statue bubble matters 😄

[strange prism]

you can deposit anytime you want either way

[warm grove]

And more onyxes

[native forge]

but the more onyx you do ,the more yield you get ,they have bonus to that ,too

[honest cradle]

is that balatro

[dense fable]

okay, ty

[honest cradle]

Everyone is playing that game

[warm grove]

Waiting for W8 to deposit my kachow statues

[strange prism]

Never understood the balatro hype

[mint furnace]

gamba funi

[neon crow]

it was actually fun

[mossy anvil]

i think hype ended some time ago

[honest cradle]

idk I dont wanna buy it

[neon crow]

a little repetitive after a few rounds and understanding the game mechanics

[strange prism]

It only gained hype cause it was shown at the game awards, barely known before hand

[honest cradle]

killroy is awak in 2 hours

Then get me some eggs

[mossy anvil]

ye, i enjoyed watching it more than playing

[white lintel]

Eggs?

Please don’t buy eggs

[honest cradle]

whole chat is gaslighting me

[strange prism]

dont waste your time, they dont like us asking

[honest cradle]

Then what do you say?

[strange prism]

more youre gaslighting everyone else

[warm grove]

eggs from killroy suck, get arcade balls

[limpid bough]

how worth it is jewel gamba from shop

[strange prism]

arcade balls, MAYBE books if youre 20 book time sucks

[white lintel]

You can get hundreds and later thousands of eggs from w4 mini

[neon crow]

I still think it was worth my money with 60hours of play time to win with each deck once in white stakes

[strange prism]

wouldnt do it till youre at the last few

[mint furnace]

I've almost won orange stake

[limpid bough]

dude none of the jewels I can buy come back for like a year 😭

[honest cradle]

I dont get that many

[strange prism]

I bought it, played for an hour and refunded

[white lintel]

The gamba

[mossy anvil]

every game i buy ends up like this, forgotten in library

[honest cradle]

I think I got 2, I should go pickle it

[white lintel]

Mods ban this guy for not English in English Channel

[strange prism]

every game hits 20+

[limpid bough]

all the blue jewels ouggghhhh i need

[neon crow]

pretty cool - what language measures time in godz?

[honest cradle]

idk what godz are but it sounds intense

[mossy anvil]

Arctis the snitch

[warm grove]

chat let us use our brains

[warm grove]

this is on steam, what does steam measure time in?

[strange prism]

[white lintel]

Minutes

[mint furnace]

potatoes

[honest cradle]

the polska clan tag gives it away I think

[warm grove]

chat is cooked I should've stayed in diff eqs🗿

[limpid bough]

sapphire rhombol in july hold up I can do that

[native forge]

what do you have against my tag

[mossy anvil]

[strange prism]

imagine CCing at the best time to CC

[honest cradle]

wut a nerd

[mint furnace]

did i win

[strange prism]

[warm grove]

could not be me

[mossy anvil]

going pretty fast, saw u at 701 few h ago

[dense fable]

so hop on ES and farm this? ( material )

[honest cradle]

you get a good medallion?

Or just felt like its time to level

[strange prism]

28 levels in 24 hours

[cyan sequoia]

time to buy jewels I guess

[strange prism]

didnt even over night, so 10 hours without farming in those 24

[opal goblet]

finally

[honest cradle]

Ok you guys bullied me into it. Ill try out the colo

[cyan sequoia]

so whats the atom print-out? Just copper ore?

[warm grove]

copper and oak

[opal goblet]

now i should get skilling levels high on maestro before leveling it up right ?

[white lintel]

Anything above 1050M, typicalled focused with early materials like oak and copper

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-core-demon-core-incident-plutonium-gif-9056977038245353091

quick atoms

[cyan sequoia]

getting extra lvls from WW, atoms cant keep up

[strange prism]

how did you get to 8/34 without realizing whats best for atoms

[native forge]

don't play with the devil

[mossy anvil]

not playing with ya

[karmic crow]

How do i fix this?

[strange prism]

dont forget to work on cost reduction btw

[honest cradle]

Dude does this ever proc

Feelsbadman

[warm grove]

why am I moving at a snails pace in killroy?

[strange prism]

are you claiming then attempting right away?

[cyan sequoia]

as I've said before I mostly try to confirm what I think I know from here

[honest cradle]

yes

[strange prism]

best thing for atoms is youre highest prints

[honest cradle]

if it truly was 15% I would have hit it by now

[mossy anvil]

but if one of us was wrong, blame it on other chats

[white lintel]

Tempest form?

[warm grove]

no i'm on db

[strange prism]

you shouldnt be hitting 15% if youre claiming and trying right away

[warm grove]

game is rigged

feel like I just got dropped into W1 with this speed

[honest cradle]

im not saying I am perfect, its more like I ran out of sprinkler then do it

[white lintel]

Something something lava code

[mossy anvil]

truly w1 stuck

[warm grove]

ts so ass😭

[strange prism]

ouch

[brisk warren]

Closing and reopening the game fixes it

[native forge]

DB, what !!

[honest cradle]

that looks like my killroy

ANd I got way less time

[strange flare]

it's only going up I guess

[white lintel]

At least you got enough for the eq challenge

[warm grove]

had to cloudsave

and now its slow again

[soft girder]

is it normal for vman dmg to sucks so much compared to other chars?

[strange prism]

DB nerf, sweeet

yes

[mossy anvil]

yes

[strange prism]

vmans bad at everything

[soft girder]

ah welp

[native forge]

spore caps entered the chat

[soft girder]

gonna be hard to lvl him up to 500

[white lintel]

Combs have entered the chat

[strange prism]

can easily feed a refinery without him

[mossy anvil]

cooking speed tho

[strange prism]

vmans a forever skill preset character

[white lintel]

Can’t click monster bubbles hourly without him

[soft girder]

lol

[warm grove]

watch me get out my ww and then wait 200 days for max printer output

[honest cradle]

is cave the magic thing giving people insane dr? I have not upped mine since I got obols

[strange prism]

210 daily atoms

[soft girder]

how u even do monster hourly click? in a speedrun?

[white lintel]

..yes

[mossy anvil]

u sample in speedurn

[soft girder]

oh didnt try it i should do it then

[white lintel]

Max is before 200 days

[soft girder]

doesnt help much

[warm grove]

doesn't mean I won't wait 200 days to resample though

[soft girder]

for the combs

need 1050m for one lvl of refinery bubble

[strange prism]

should atom bob, most wont be able to hourly bob even with vman

[white lintel]

I’m hoping I won’t hit 200 days without resampling

[strange prism]

only way you hit 200 days without resampling is taking a 200 day break

[white lintel]

I’m at 160+ days rn

[limpid bough]

is the MSA the third automation arm upgrade

[strange prism]

thats some interesting neglect

[soft girder]

guys how do u reach like qq tier of efficiency, is it from basic stats?

[warm grove]

pretty good

[white lintel]

Culmination of everything

[soft girder]

my sampling still sucks

[warm grove]

finally

[strange prism]

[soft girder]

i mean most of the bubbles almost platued, the gains are very small for further upgrades

[white lintel]

At least I can afford my atom upgrades, I’m at 40 rn

[native forge]

JUST ? did u wear all jams you had ;d

[warm grove]

listen it wasn't optimised and I don't have jam beanstalked, meant moreso the fairies

[warm grove]

I had 4 in my storage

[white lintel]

There be sources outside alchemy too

[soft girder]

hmm

[native forge]

i had the most LUK thingy, harder to get good

[white lintel]

Statues for one is big

[soft girder]

i got some onyxed for the respective skills

[warm grove]

not bad I guess

[strange prism]

oh wow

[white lintel]

Statue voodooification and dragon statue pump up mining statue which gives mining power which is p huge for mining prints

[strange prism]

try to run a new maxed damage

[native forge]

wonder how i get more raw stats, but your crit chance is absolute goat

[warm grove]

that's with 40QQQ

[strange prism]

did you run ES

[warm grove]

nah was just on db still

[strange prism]

try it

[soft girder]

oh will try to reach dragon statue then

[white lintel]

Dragon statues OP

[white lintel]

Damn you need to work on your dragons

[warm grove]

I need to afk in a lot of places, can't do them all at once

[native forge]

ok explains totally everything

[soft girder]

thats a lot of dragons

[strange prism]

where are these from

[warm grove]

islands

[white lintel]

What are you afking rn?

[warm grove]

trash and rando respectively

[native forge]

tuna garbage and boss rares thingy

[warm grove]

monuments, only db is doing golems rn

[soft girder]

!dr

!droprate

[strange prism]

unfortunate

[soft girder]

oh well

[strange prism]

ahh 200 bottle for rando one, oof

450 for trash

rando seems worth it tho

[warm grove]

they are all worth it eventually

[strange prism]

wdym no its free afk gain

[warm grove]

for peace of mind of having all talents

[strange prism]

idk the trash one seems to expensive

[white lintel]

.2% afk gain

[strange prism]

per item lmao

[warm grove]

maybe for you

[strange prism]

free is free, looks good to me

[white lintel]

This talent needs some help

[soft girder]

wait guys multikill affects the amount of statues dropped?

[warm grove]

just like the shrine does

[white lintel]

In caverns yes

[strange prism]

dam 7/7 rare items

[white lintel]

How do I farm the Mushroom/Golem Cave? AKA: Why don't statues always drop?
There are three things to farm in these caverns, Opals and Cards from active farming and Statues from afk.
#1303761365273415700 message
#1303761365273415700 message

Active farm on a Siegebreaker with plunder setup for cards and kills to push layers for Opals (and stamps).
AFK with anyone else to farm Statues utilizing the guaranteed rare drop method. Idleon Toolbox has a calculator in their tools section or check this thread
https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1085023989769969746

Mushroom: Expect afk claim times in the 45 minute range for 30x DR, 2 hours for 20x, 3 hours for 12x (multiply these times by however many "bundles" of statues you want)

Golem: Expect afk claim times in the 6-8 hour range for 30x DR, 10-15 hours for 20x, 20+ for 12x

TL;DR - More DR equals shorter times to claim, more MK means more statues per claim (prio MK, don't use DR prayer).
-# Note: times not fully tested after drop chance change

[native forge]

im sure i found as much as you ,but it shows less, do it only counts the rando island only ,on events or random maps too?

[soft girder]

i just read on wiki it says it affects items dropped

[inner egret]

normal ones count

[strange prism]

[neon crow]

Dance party if you need it. Server Carrot 4 It's over!

[native forge]

yea, they show in top left if you already have them when you warp to random event thingy

[warm grove]

chat i'm poor

[native forge]

are blacked out if you don't

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[strange prism]

go balloon cooking

[warm grove]

not that kind of poor

[white lintel]

Sounds like it’s time for some daily bosses

[warm grove]

I already did them today

[strange prism]

idk pushing skills yesterday was fairly profitable

[honest cradle]

I am an idoit that forgot gold twine

Now I get to find that

[warm grove]

all of my skills on all guys are all lvl 100 or above

[lone rock]

just unlocked my first elite class. DK. trying to figure out what skill(s) my first elite points should go in for active. anyone remember that far back to give suggestions?

[warm grove]

!talents

[candid scarab]

Having issues understanding how to best use your talents? This guide should be able to break things down. Use the tabs at the top to navigate to whichever class you're currently struggling with and it should become much less overwhelming.

[warm grove]

should help out a bit

[lone rock]

ty

[neon crow]

when is VIP library going to get any more love?

[high osprey]

pushing w4 to find out keys are a drop 😭

[warm grove]

never, its good for money and that's it

[limpid bough]

DIED ON WAVE 70 ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[hushed ferry]

what class is best for w3 dungeon

[warm grove]

probably db

[mossy anvil]

bro none is reading, what do u want

[warm grove]

time to stockpile more balls

[neon crow]

moar star talents for all our useless VIP Library % increases lol

[mossy anvil]

except rift, are those even worth trying to do? those are my last wows

[mossy anvil]

fair

[warm grove]

wows are already miniscule enough in their effect so don't bother

[mossy anvil]

where did that overfill come from

[limpid bough]

why is there no w4 colo npc ☹️

i need tickets...

[warm grove]

they killed them

[mossy anvil]

btw

[limpid bough]

how to get more trapping exp all my non-hunter characters are only trapping lvl 10 😭

[warm grove]

the upgrade is nice, but not worth too much time

[warm grove]

have you tried using the traps?

[limpid bough]

yes..

[warm grove]

should help you get more than 1 exp

but fr lvl 10 is pitiful, probably was at lvl 20 before reaching W4

if you do need exp so bad place the traps on vman with transfusion on

[limpid bough]

that affects all chars??

[warm grove]

if you place the traps on vman yeah

[limpid bough]

thats really nice ok

[native forge]

no need vman just maestro

and it boost xp for all traps tho

[limpid bough]

are cardboard traps better for exp than silkskin

[warm grove]

check the exp each gives

but i'd imagine silkskin is better

[white lintel]

Whatever has xp%

[warm grove]

hmm I can use the gs caster on my bubo because for some reason it has the same reach as gloves for me

[white lintel]

It shouldn’t

[warm grove]

I know it shouldn't, but it does so

[white lintel]

Send it

[warm grove]

well basically the same range, its not normal

[hushed ferry]

what should my team for this be

[warm grove]

huh?? the recipe says 80 as well

[craggy oxide]

yeah

[white lintel]

Gloves have 55

[warm grove]

nah there's no way it was always 80

[white lintel]

Always was

[warm grove]

I swear lava changed it to be lower

[white lintel]

No

It was launched like that to give bubo an option that wasn’t gloves

[warm grove]

should've had 0 range

[white lintel]

Gloves are still better tho so

Maybe bubo MC basic attack talent will make it so that staff is better

[neon crow]

I mean 80 is still good. if your aura can't reach after you have that staff 😓

[warm grove]

well the aura is plenty good but the gloves are still better

[warm grove]

imagine no double peapod

[mossy anvil]

can i go ricekaes with 47,3k accuracy?

[warm grove]

probably not, your hit chance is gonna be much lower than 50% due to how accuracy works

but I also don't know so

[mossy anvil]

do u rembemer which one is accuracy upgrade?

[warm grove]

not really, I haven't done any db in over 2 weeks so you are further rn than me

[strange prism]

2 more

[mossy anvil]

thanks

[native forge]

60k more optimal if you want to camp portal ,and atleast 900m dmg so combustion oneshots

[strange prism]

next one buffs all unlocks though so thats kinda an acc buff

[mossy anvil]

alr will get there

[latent mirage]

How long is arena? Currently at 210 and still fighting. Anymore bonuses or I should just quit?

[zenith hare]

Last bonus is at 200

also who wants to see cat

[mossy anvil]

i see what u doing there

[strange prism]

huh never thought to look at w6 yet

[mossy anvil]

ricecakes are in reach at least

[strange prism]

im getting ~12b at bright atm

[mossy anvil]

same

[strange prism]

just looked at rice, definitely not enough acc yet lmao

at 47k

[mossy anvil]

ok, im out of bones anyway to check

can u even use bones in w6

[strange prism]

miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss miss

[strange prism]

idk probably

most likely takes a near maxed DB to justify it tho

[mossy anvil]

yeah way lower numbers than thermisters

[strange prism]

still havent tried moles

[mossy anvil]

but moles suck with grave placement no?

[strange prism]

idk its on the chart

[mossy anvil]

yeah, in auto section

[strange prism]

its on both but ya

[strange prism]

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/balthazar-chien-miroir-gif-17966379627446750250

and 18 upgrades to accuracy one but im out of bones

[strange prism]

Dont think rice will happen any time soon

[strange prism]

daaaam

[native forge]

this looks omega bad on combustions ye

[mossy anvil]

i can check rice now

[strange prism]

peak bone count

[native forge]

whales meeeting where

[mossy anvil]

no misses here

[strange prism]

Im assuming youre focusing upgrades vs going for cheapest

based off youre stats id wouldve expected you to have more upgrades then me, might be worth focusing cheapest atm if youre going for talent levels

[mossy anvil]

190 graveyard stacks, placed top right portal + babysit all the time

[night oracle]

My first ender captain

[mossy anvil]

i was going for unlocking new stuff and i set threshold for myself like 10b, then next bones 10b etc. If they are leveled up to 10b cost i went for 15b, 20b

[strange prism]

hmm

[limpid bough]

are master classes worth rushing to

[strange prism]

DB maybe, WW definitely not

[limpid bough]

bubo masterclass next right

[mossy anvil]

ww just a little bit worth grinding to get that sneaking and exalted stamps upgrade

[limpid bough]

because w4 skill elites

[strange prism]

No one knows lmao

[limpid bough]

I mean

BB and BM specialize in w4 skills

and next one has to be a mage

[strange prism]

doesnt mean anything, no one played BM or BB, everyone runs bubo

[limpid bough]

everyone also runs ES

[strange prism]

uh.. not really tbh

its mostly DK or Bubo

[limpid bough]

whaaat

[mossy anvil]

i mostly use dk and db

[limpid bough]

i wish I had a more powerful computer so I can run active all day

[native forge]

bubo and ww times

[native forge]

tbh it's the matter of autoloot

[limpid bough]

yeah when I active w1 my inventory fills up everyvlike 6 minutes

[cyan sequoia]

u filter out all the common drops

[native forge]

unless it's gold or cards, you can't filter those

[limpid bough]

I need the base mat for vial and stamps tho...

[strange prism]

printer

[mossy anvil]

filter out mob mats

[native forge]

once you unlock rucksack & have okay bags on ES ,mob mats aren't problem anymore

[limpid bough]

my ES is in lab jail rn

[mossy anvil]

thats better es

[native forge]

w6 exists

[night oracle]

Man Bishop's gambit sucks...

[limpid bough]

sigh fine I filtered out mats

[strange prism]

candy clicking mob mats

[native forge]

wait till you find out about noob gambit ;d

[night oracle]

Eh?

Is that pawn?

[native forge]

no bloomies there ever, it's dreadful

Yeah, that's a pawn, prolly last one you'll unlock

[strange prism]

blue slimes only

[somber onyx]

idleon update tomorrow

[night oracle]

😭

[mossy anvil]

im printing w6 mats or just afk claiming them

[native forge]

a tip, don't down your hp to low in one go ,keep some incase you deal dmg ,being too low might kill u

[night oracle]

Huh?

[strange prism]

dont waste your time

[mossy anvil]

u didnt know?

[native forge]

20 min on ES tops up all there pretty much ,depending on your damage/portal skill

[night oracle]

My problem was that you cant build up card regen rate

[mossy anvil]

but then i cannot be active on my dk/db

[strange prism]

mana regens a fairly normal issue

[mossy anvil]

es is just for jails and printing logs

[native forge]

you don't need many of them mob mats anyway ,only to get to atom range /vials

[strange prism]

719 is mad at you rn

[mossy anvil]

how about gs gear

[native forge]

was that ever an issue xD ,i think by the time you get to it ,the souls are more common problem

[mossy anvil]

it was not coz i printed/afk them

[night oracle]

Horsey gambit stats scale very slow?

[native forge]

you get 9x40 for skydoggies ,so it's sure you get some mats anyway

[native forge]

you don't get up your DMG buffs, and one hit ,you die

[night oracle]

Fair

[native forge]

never needed to print anything from w6 yet xD , cropius mapper i got to atom range without that even

[mossy anvil]

why waste atom then when u can click it every few h

[native forge]

do you print royal yolk /spiti mats in 1050/h ?

i prefer 3-4 bob bubbles than one late ,but its just me

[limpid bough]

whats that

[mossy anvil]

i dont

[native forge]

would be a surprise if you do xD

[strange prism]

idk atoms are kinda need sometimes

[native forge]

ye Yolk

[night oracle]

Who is getting the opals?

[strange prism]

spending candy to get mats for bubbles, usually done when one 1 hour candy equals a bil mats

[limpid bough]

ah

hourly clicks are when prints are 1b+ right

[native forge]

well, when after your multis, they total up to 1b/h

dk orb ,biggole pet ,sailing play big role in that too

[calm vault]

For trapping: Level 120 on all characters All base critter vials maxed Am I just in poison frog prison forever now?

[mossy anvil]

not only u

[native forge]

tuttle tome :trolls you

[calm vault]

hmmmmm?

whatchu mean tuttle tome

[native forge]

oh, you never really looked into tome ? ;d

[calm vault]

oh... oh no

[night oracle]

https://youtu.be/BRSwizd0Weo?si=sTo3a2E-jlhAqU1g new griffy vid??!!

[native forge]

step 1 ,if you don't have rift slug, don't watch

[calm vault]

damn

[night oracle]

To be fair, you can still hit 406

[limpid bough]

I NEED the library artifact ouggghhhh

[native forge]

or if you didn't got a month on db already

[limpid bough]

sailing is so slowww

[night oracle]

Lol real

[limpid bough]

why isnt sailing in quick ref actually that would be awesome

[night oracle]

True, but it'd suck because it's 2 different menus

[mossy anvil]

why refinery is not

[native forge]

because captains /chest pile and map are separate things

[limpid bough]

oh right loot pile

[opal goblet]

is it worth ?

[limpid bough]

VERY worth

[native forge]

after you beanstack golden hampter :I am speed

[modern gate]

just the 20 storage space alone makes it worth it

[native forge]

is that damage a multi ?

[opal goblet]

whats that 1.5x dmg thingy. only for archers or all ?

[mossy anvil]

if u just need ram i can give u it for free

[true hamlet]

Everything swiped is a multi, haven't you learnt

[opal goblet]

thinking to buy for this tho

[native forge]

f2p aint swiping

[mossy anvil]

[mossy anvil]

@opal goblet

[limpid bough]

I have like 2 gold hampters 😭

[opal goblet]

ohh i just saw it

[limpid bough]

I only got w5 for sailing and frigid souls

[native forge]

gold food is op later on ^

[opal goblet]

but i think i will buy it anyway, like a meal price and 20 storage with 1.5x multi seems very worth it ngl

[mossy anvil]

np

[opal goblet]

but its not popping again and i cant find it on the gem store as well XD

[mossy anvil]

[limpid bough]

I have 2 dupe rams I just remembered

[true hamlet]

Every paid pack is at most a restaurant's meal's price..

[limpid bough]

2 rams, 2 leeks, custard, and flying worm

[native forge]

no ,those are separate maps

the roots with 1 nutto spawn, office with defecaus boss

equinox ofc ,and idk why you have thermisters there

[true hamlet]

In the doot memorial?

[native forge]

there's gmush no?

[opal goblet]

where can i check which bosses key quests i did on which chracters ? couldnt find the page on idleontool website

[mossy anvil]

@native trail wows when

Pinchy

No?

[native forge]

you have to endure it

[formal flume]

is there a good chart for how to set up Clash of Cans?

[strange prism]

just take forever to hit w6 and then you'll be able to candy it

someone sat in w3 for a year, im sure theres something you can do till w7 releases

[mossy anvil]

what happened to zuiq

[strange prism]

burn out is my guess

playing for 3+ years and only being in w3s gotta be boring

nope just doesnt like w3-4

[opal goblet]

started game 23 day ago, 17 day online time i think i should stop and let it idle XD

[mossy anvil]

334h in last 2 weeks

[opal goblet]

why did you closed game for 1.8 hour 😄

[mossy anvil]

my pc went into sleep mode lol

[opal goblet]

rip

i moved to another city that cost me like 3-4 day

moving & waiting new network to connect

btw i couldnt pop that 9$ pack again, what do i need to do for it appears again ?

[strange prism]

9 more ES levels and I can 24/7 CC

[native forge]

duh ,more active gamer than i even thought

[mossy anvil]

its afk

[brisk warren]

wait

[night oracle]

Wait so is there really an update tomorrow?

[limpid bough]

spent ALL my candy to get blue skulls on w1

only need wood mushrooms left

[night oracle]

Did you at least do it with BB?

[limpid bough]

nah he doesnt get enough kills to warrant using that much candy

[night oracle]

Rip your chows

[limpid bough]

i can do it later its fine

[mossy anvil]

no, we were trolling

[night oracle]

[mossy anvil]

[night oracle]

Soon

[limpid bough]

my bb only has 47m max damage

lemme see how long getting chow on gmush would take

about 5 hours damn uh

would take 19 hours on gigafrogs

[opal goblet]

wtf is that kill req for portal XD

[limpid bough]

but I need my bb to be cooking for now so I can buy choco chip

[night oracle]

Think it was 150m

[opal goblet]

how many day it will take XD ?

[limpid bough]

19 billion

I wish cooking had a minigame that would be awesome

[strong forge]

does the w3 automation arm really work for crafing items? bc if i produce nails and have it switched on it fills up somehow

[limpid bough]

my automation arm refills my ore but doesnt deposit my bars so uh

[strong forge]

its a later upgrade

[limpid bough]

the anvil one? ik

[strong forge]

that says it automatically deposits crafting items

[mossy anvil]

how about similiar numbers but on 9 other chars to progress further

[opal goblet]

btw i got maestro class today, should i just go skilling levels to get highest level on it ?

[mossy anvil]

it happens once a day

[strong forge]

ts dun work as expected

ahhhh

so i still need capacity

[limpid bough]

pretty sure mat bags also affect anvil cap

[strong forge]

nah

fr?

[white lintel]

@warm grove I died going through it but still got it

finally

[warm grove]

nice

[mossy anvil]

they do

[limpid bough]

@strong forge there ya go

[strong forge]

thaank

[night oracle]

I can't craft GS helmet or chest though because no seasalt

[mossy anvil]

get pants then

[night oracle]

Working on it

[limpid bough]

SEA SALT I NEED YOU SEA SALT

[night oracle]

😭

[mossy anvil]

4 more

[night oracle]

Wdym 4 more

[limpid bough]

the refinery lab bonus is such a game changer, waiting for r6 took 10 days, waiting for r7 now only takes 2 days

[night oracle]

9m more

[mossy anvil]

my bad, thought it was 5

[mossy anvil]

refinery hits from afk claims speed it up even more

[neon crow]

when taking samples how important is the god?

is a straight multiplier?

[limpid bough]

huh??

[limpid bough]

is it like golden hampter or dk talent that gives time

OMG YAYYYYYYYYYYYY

[mossy anvil]

sailing and gaming u can get from po boxes

[true hamlet]

Gaming gains and sailing gains kinda useless from omni after like a month lol

[limpid bough]

I dont even have the first god lmao

[mossy anvil]

[true hamlet]

I'm sure you'll get it soon

[limpid bough]

would throw my lab guys in divinity but I NEED killer's brightside rn

[karmic meadow]

should i get bb or dk first?

[limpid bough]

DK easily

[mossy anvil]

thats 2nd and 3rd

[karmic meadow]

k

[limpid bough]

but both of those are super important so get BB right after

[mossy anvil]

oh sorry i mean this one instead of 2nd one

so u grind 2 at once

[limpid bough]

yeahh I need that

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-art-trumpet-doot-doot-meme-dancing-gif-27309766

[true hamlet]

Urn would speed div up a lot

[white lintel]

Hi Arctic, Im Artic

[limpid bough]

does the ES div exp talent affect all characters

[white lintel]

should

[limpid bough]

cool

[mossy anvil]

why lying, u are arctiS

[white lintel]

Those who know

[karmic meadow]

nu uh

u arctis

[opal goblet]

lucky loot roll

[mossy anvil]

nice

[karmic meadow]

thats artic

[warm grove]

counterargument

[opal goblet]

btw how can i check which chracters did world boss quests to be able to claim keys daily ?

[night oracle]

I should fix this

[white lintel]

IT

[limpid bough]

oh thanks for reminding me to upgrade all my rex rings

[opal goblet]

couldnt find the page

[noble lintel]

Is this "to the left of you" dependent on where you place each character in lab?

[night oracle]

Farming for more gold twine to make more troll armor :(

It sucks

[mossy anvil]

depends where u place bubo in lab

[noble lintel]

Nice ty!

[night oracle]

Nvm I already got one

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-food-hungry-candy-shop-sweets-gif-8486885528549716143

[honest cradle]

wait the trash can pet sounds op?

[night oracle]

It is

[neon crow]

just do Cranium cooking while you do. The gains!!!

[honest cradle]

ok got a bunch of shiny gmush setup

Definitely didnt get eggs from killroy

[strange prism]

smh

picked eggs over free gems

[honest cradle]

No I actually got 190 from the miniboss guy in mushroom map I joke

[mossy anvil]

[limpid bough]

kinda just wanna throw all my chars in divinity for like a week

[white lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-naruhodo-ryuuichi-lie-jabonis-gif-26315575

[honest cradle]

no the falsehood was implied, I told the truth

[limpid bough]

if bubo is in the lab via arctis, do the tube talents apply? or does the bubo have to be actually in lab

[warm grove]

if I don't have 100% detection rate on the next floor, i'll be unlocking M4

[honest cradle]

gl

[warm grove]

works all the time if counted in lab so yes it works

[limpid bough]

sweeeet

[white lintel]

You can be disconnected and it works I believe

Just depends on placement

[limpid bough]

what??

ok put a few levels in my combat preset

this is why rift slug is goated

just 1 point into a talent and its already lvl 30

[native badge]

help xD "Kill A Lava Skull Monster On 2 Chars. Skulls Spread Half The Time"

[native badge]

ty 😂

[limpid bough]

...what?

[dense fable]

just put a Siege breaker on Auto attack and let it happen

It will just happen

[warm grove]

ok so basically play anyone that isn't dk

[limpid bough]

bubo seemed bad for skull points

kills so fast the skulls never show up

[mossy anvil]

i did it always manually killing skulls by auto attack

imo way faster

[honest cradle]

well down to 1 in 870 to get this bop box finally and weve got what 20 hours for next jewels F

I doubt it would make that much a difference anyway I only got 2.5k of those spices

[mossy anvil]

converter is making difference

whats total speed

[white lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/pinch-mgrege13-pinchy-gif-20612768

[true hamlet]

I feel like it might be lower than mine

Which is concerning

Because I neglect cooking

[limpid bough]

I wish there was a way to reroll equinox challenges

[white lintel]

Same

[warm grove]

reroll??? just do them

[true hamlet]

Nah, they cone in a specific order

[white lintel]

Oh challenges

[true hamlet]

So everyone gets the same amount of pain

[white lintel]

I thought you meant upgrades

[true hamlet]

It's not too bad to do though

[warm grove]

only got 3 left, 2 soon enough

[white lintel]

I’m on the last one

[mossy anvil]

i got finally all easy ones except funky hat maybe

[white lintel]

Funky hat is easy

The comb floor hat on the other hand

[warm grove]

100k ladles is easy now, rubies needs a bit of work on eff but easy

[true hamlet]

😂

[true hamlet]

I'm ahead of you im equinox

[mossy anvil]

rn vman is working on cards and im farming meteors to swap to pristine farm

[mossy anvil]

how

[true hamlet]

I'm left with 3 dreams, what a pain

[warm grove]

you should wait for M3 for this charm

[true hamlet]

Even shadow is ahead of you..

[mossy anvil]

thats my last 6

[true hamlet]

Isn't it m2

[warm grove]

as long as you got symbols its all good

[white lintel]

You be slacking

[warm grove]

are you in M2 or M3?

[mossy anvil]

ofc i am

[true hamlet]

M2, I have it I believe

[limpid bough]

I cant greenstack anything except like oak logs, I have 15/30 refinery ranks, not close to 1m sample on anything, my td is awful, and idek how to beat weekly boss lvl 3

[true hamlet]

I'm on last 3, shadow is on last 4

[warm grove]

easy, play more

[night oracle]

Is this very important?

I assume yes

[warm grove]

early on yeah to a fair degree

[white lintel]

Good for maxing crop value stat

[honest cradle]

tsar genes, does it mean fight power to foraging? or is it just to get rid of a combat pet