midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[strange prism]

accidently wasted 32k nullo

[hybrid glen]

Damn

[full beacon]

wait what did you do

[hybrid glen]

Those troll helmets

[delicate fox]

Not really since the remaining armors need troll armor

[strange prism]

...

[mossy anvil]

xD

[strange prism]

[delicate fox]

Oh well free money ig

[strange prism]

miscalculated how many gold twine I had and spammed craft

[full beacon]

[hybrid glen]

Why'd you craft them in the first place?

[strange prism]

the ones in kruk didnt have kruk

[true hamlet]

Also giving them hair

[delicate fox]

U have enough to push damn I forgot I'm in w3 n 4 chat u in w4

[honest elk]

the armor grind is 60% just forcing myself to craft everything lol especially the line of boots for everyuthing

[latent lintel]

i just went to W5 so im retiring from here for now lol

had enough candy...

[delicate fox]

W

[strange prism]

I went into w6 with void/chizoar so dont blame you

[delicate fox]

Than that solves that

[true hamlet]

Should I push gambit if it takes 14 days lol

Sounds boring

[hybrid glen]

I did it with Gold armor, heal food for the win

[pallid bloom]

Very confusing placing these 1 hour traps and then when I get back on in 1 hour they have 55 min left

[compact pewter]

u guys had armor?

[delicate fox]

How many opals u got in total and how many are on Explorer

[true hamlet]

They don't progress if you're on character selection screen

[pallid bloom]

ouch really?

[strange prism]

no

[true hamlet]

If I moved them to explorer, it's 19m per hour 160 opals lol

[pallid bloom]

Thats kind of gross

[true hamlet]

Yes.

[hybrid glen]

That's idleon

[delicate fox]

Do that

[true hamlet]

Meh

[mossy anvil]

enchant collectibles for xp?

[strange prism]

bruh do not move them to explorer and wait 14 days

[delicate fox]

Jar bonus

[true hamlet]

I did

[past hedge]

yo the purple doungeon coins are like time gated?

[strange prism]

if you dont have engineer and measure leveled, theres no point in gambit

[true hamlet]

I'm not going to, my conj is extremely behind

[past hedge]

or just luck

[true hamlet]

I only have up to measurer for monu afk and some gambit schematics lol

[strange prism]

[true hamlet]

Yeah, levelling measurer would take a while too though

[strange prism]

youre gonna need gambit points if you want to get gambit rewards

[true hamlet]

Hunt for sammy resumes

[delicate fox]

That lowkey enough it's engineering that needs hard lvling

[strange prism]

[true hamlet]

Engi 23 Measure 12

[alpine scarab]

hi

[delicate fox]

Hi hi

[mossy anvil]

hi hi

[hardy ember]

Can anyone tell me why my anvil products arent auto claiming?

||https://i.imgur.com/Jw5uJ3e.png||

[strange prism]

it only happens at reset

[mossy anvil]

iirc is once per day

[hardy ember]

Would be nice for that to be in the description

sorry for the bother.

[mossy anvil]

all good

[white path]

questions is what the channel is for

[delicate fox]

John

[strange prism]

engi 27 n measurer 14 are big

[full beacon]

what food should I order

[strange prism]

all of it

1 of each

[mossy anvil]

what time is it there

[full beacon]

4pm

[delicate fox]

Chinese food sesame seas chicken n fried rice

[hardy ember]

||Ok, so real question then. Should I be upgrading my tools/armor asap? or is there a threshold to wait for then upgrade everything? https://i.imgur.com/FwspU4n.png||

[mossy anvil]

maybe some pasta?

[strange prism]

full amarok works for a while

traps - skulls are always worth upgrading when possible tho

[full beacon]

ok pasta it is

[mossy anvil]

i see your map progression is w6 so yeah this gear kinda needs upgrading

[full beacon]

dang I got bulwark and foal

[mossy anvil]

bulwark is nice but also not nice

your attack speed is dead

[delicate fox]

U seem to be cooked

[dense fable]

what does onyx statue do ? ( I mean, what do I get if I onyx a statue ? )

[full beacon]

why cooked

[delicate fox]

Attack speed slow

[full beacon]

ani-cancel ez

[sick oak]

2x bonus and more statues when depositing

[hardy ember]

I too am wondering the answer to this question and how to get 20k power statues when I get like 100 a night afking with my DK

[mossy anvil]

But then u dont cast coz auto is off

[full beacon]

click them while your left hand is spamming keyboard

[mossy anvil]

Active farm dk crystals

At beans, needs choco chip and dr

[delicate fox]

Have fun with that imma do td

[dense fable]

I can farm 2-3k statue/day
is that good to push for onyx? or shall I wait more DR and use my statues ( on golden statue ) to upgrade right now?

[mossy anvil]

Spend thst time to fix dr i would say

[delicate fox]

Depends on the statues

[hardy ember]

is DR drop rate?

[mossy anvil]

Yes

[dense fable]

so, shall I use my statues right now on golden?

[mossy anvil]

No

[sick oak]

Yeah thats kinda low

Wait for 100% from snake vial

[mossy anvil]

Also none of ststues give dr

[dense fable]

it is not worth it to use them to get buffs here?

[delicate fox]

Onyx them first

[dense fable]

okay, then keep all statues and grind

[mossy anvil]

Onyx them, get snake above 100% chance and level up yellow bubble

[dense fable]

about that, shall I print snake ?

[alpine scarab]

does opening guild box in hole a bug that there is no gems?

[mossy anvil]

Forgot name, that one that require sandy pots mats

[delicate fox]

Ye w1 and 2 statues are extremely easy

[sick oak]

Whats your print of snake?

[delicate fox]

Probably got sun else

[dense fable]

let me check it quick

[full beacon]

[mossy anvil]

print them on vman speedrun

[sick oak]

Yeah was just thinking to say that lol

[mossy anvil]

also dont forget onyxing is not depositing, u drop stack of 20k

[full beacon]

actually don't even need skills, I'm 2-4 shotting level 3 mobs (w2 dungeon)

[sick oak]

Oof

[dense fable]

and I think it's X7 cause I have Divinity + Lab too

[full beacon]

vman?

[dense fable]

it's on hunter

[sick oak]

Do vman

[dense fable]

let me go a Vman run then

[full beacon]

vman samples are waymoredank

[mossy anvil]

do it on vman speedrun, equip cards food etc

[hardy ember]

What is the snake for?

[dense fable]

run as much as I can on Vman and before timer goes, teleport to snake and sample?

[full beacon]

vial?

[dense fable]

Vial for statues

[sick oak]

A vial

[mossy anvil]

chance for extra statue deposit

[strange flare]

My arms are jello I am so weak lmao

[hardy ember]

ooh

[dense fable]

what foods do I need on a vman run? for best Print

[full beacon]

spd pots

[mossy anvil]

movement speed, dmg

[strange prism]

speed pots bullets kebab

[full beacon]

pasta

[strange prism]

kinda depends on if u can 1 tap everything, if u can then only speed

[full beacon]

he can def 1 tap everything for how long it lasts I think

I'm guessing like lvl 150 spd run talent

[dense fable]

ye, my peak is W3 yet on Vman

[mossy anvil]

enjoy meal

[odd osprey]

I know the normal tierlist for gem purchases but should I be buying exalted stamps whiel they're available?

[dense fable]

onetap everything, but portal is not opening fast enough XD

[mossy anvil]

if its not a problem for u to afford them, yes

[mossy anvil]

also u might print gmush caps aswell since u are there and other vial mats/refinery stuff

[odd osprey]

basically buying that and holding off on bleach liq cauldrons/ a crystal 3d printer

[dense fable]

yes, that's going vell on Vman

I was printing pen for some Construction xp vial

[alpine scarab]

make sure to print on speed tun unlike me

[mossy anvil]

he is on srun rn

[dense fable]

yeah, preparing for speedrun

[alpine scarab]

ic have fun

[mossy anvil]

equip royal sampler too

(prayer)

[alpine scarab]

is the harp exp string for measurement even good

[mossy anvil]

there is string that gives u xp, and later on after u unlock A note u will be getting every type of harp symbols

depends on your resources i guess

im clicking it

[alpine scarab]

yea but is the measurment upgrade for that string good?

[sick oak]

Its alright

[alpine scarab]

so i shdnt proi it i guess

[sick oak]

Depends what your other guys look like

[alpine scarab]

wdym?

[fierce trellis]

What does the next pet chance do on the very last pet of a world?

[sick oak]

Level wise

[alpine scarab]

of account?

[sick oak]

No your villagers

[alpine scarab]

ic

im currently pushing to lvl14 explore with 16mill s that fine?

[sick oak]

How much more xp do you need for 14

[alpine scarab]

6000mil

abt 16days rip

[sick oak]

Whats your other xp requirments and levels

[sick oak]

Not worth

[alpine scarab]

abt 1000mil on engi

[mossy anvil]

how are your jars looking?

[alpine scarab]

just got white rupy

[mossy anvil]

im asking about collectibles to be more precise

[alpine scarab]

idk abt collectables tbh

[mossy anvil]

oof

[sick oak]

Damn

No vill xp

[alpine scarab]

its v badf right

[strange prism]

dont.. unlock anymore for now

[mossy anvil]

so many and no villager xp

[alpine scarab]

wtb enchant?

[strange prism]

thats fine cause you can reset it later

[mossy anvil]

pearl is vilalger xp tho

5th collectible no?

[alpine scarab]

my bounses guy only needs 52mill lol

which one shd i even enchant?

[mossy anvil]

double click it and enchant/reset enchants and start clicking it

[strange prism]

its the smallest xp % but it is still more xp

[mossy anvil]

reset enchants if u echanced randomy before

[alpine scarab]

but the bell rate looks good tho

[strange prism]

na I wouldnt reset for pearl

[alpine scarab]

so reset?

[strange prism]

bell is terrible for villager xp

[mossy anvil]

imo bell in jars is waste coz u get alof of bell stuff from bolaia and schematics

[dense fable]

okay, it's a little bit better ( x7 )

[alpine scarab]

but good in every thing else

[mossy anvil]

but someone may know better than me

[strange prism]

main thing from bell is lamp and torches , harps cool ig

[alpine scarab]

ic then ima get jar production rate or reset for exp?

does infi resorce always 1 wish

[mossy anvil]

i would say reset and echant xp, after u push some villagers u can reset again

[alpine scarab]

ok

[strange prism]

what level is your pearl and what are youre odd of another enhancement

[alpine scarab]

3 and 1.4

[strange prism]

double clicking a collectible doesnt guarantee it levels, just favors that one

[alpine scarab]

yea but anything helps

[strange prism]

hmm might be worth it then

[strange prism]

relative, your resetting all the other bonuses for it

[alpine scarab]

so reset?

[strange prism]

thats rupie % jar speed skilling caverns BFR collectable enhancement chance ect

[strange prism]

Nejo said yes, so might as well

[alpine scarab]

ok thx bye

[mossy anvil]

im not expert tho but imo its worth

rupie gain, jar speed, u can gain those from schematics and measurment

and if he wants to push c14 he needs xp to not have 17m or whatever that number was

[strange prism]

the buffs dont interreact the same way additive vs multi

[mossy anvil]

yeah i get it

im thinking more in terms of pushing villagers, not rupie gains etc

why would he need those if his villager levels is cooked

[dense fable]

shall I put every character for a few days to push cooking?

cause my Lab jail is finish soon

[full beacon]

you just balloon and div pearl to 100

[dense fable]

oh okay

[mossy anvil]

if u have pearls u can just pearl each char to 50

[full beacon]

this and other sources of exp% affect balloons

[dense fable]

[strange prism]

casual flex

[full beacon]

not sure if you remember needing like 2 grfeen balloons to lvl skills in the teens/20's

but with vman left hand and that, I was getting like a lvl per green balloon up til the 40s

[strange prism]

your vmans higher in cooking

[full beacon]

lol yea I div pearled him first

so everyone else was catching

[strange prism]

im slackin

[full beacon]

[full beacon]

nah not slacking above me, mine are 50s rn

[strange prism]

.. oh

[full beacon]

pretty close to getting r1 in all the "feasible" ones tho

[strange prism]

was going for 1k n gave up

first in div - lab is wild

[dense fable]

which boxes I need on Vman?
Fight for more AFK gain ? ( print )

[mossy anvil]

Wait till u need to equip gs tools on everyone

[full beacon]

haha I just put bubo in monument, didn't take that long

[strange prism]

and sneaking

[mossy anvil]

Then vman needs to level again

[full beacon]

that one charm where only one person in the whole acc can equip

I put on vman

[full beacon]

mk

and sample size

and respawn rate

[hardy ember]

So question, just upgraded all my traps and have like 5 characters on natural traps now, should I stop farming critters and grind xp for a few days with the 20hr nat trap? like is there a certain level where I could aim to get more critters in the long run?

[full beacon]

some ppl including myself just do 1 nature (set with transfusion vman) and the rest bm critters

or can do 2 if you want slightly faster exp

[mossy anvil]

Farm xp when u have blobs unlocked at least, its also done with vman placing while transfusion is active

[full beacon]

kinda just depends how much patience you have to resetting them frequently

[dense fable]

so, This obol has a basic 5% drop chance, I reroll one to get 6% then ---> the golden one has 8% Drop chance

[mossy anvil]

Doing the same now, vman full exp, rest of chars 1 nature. Rest of traps is royal placed on ww

[dense fable]

now when I want to put in 2 golden dice

I reroll one again to get from 8% to 9% ?

[mossy anvil]

Yes, and put rolled in left slot

[full beacon]

nah not if you already rolled it on silver

[mossy anvil]

U only need to reroll 1st basic one

[dense fable]

oh okay, so only on silver

[mossy anvil]

Remember to keep rolled one in left slot while upgrading

[dense fable]

yeah, got it ( cause disappear sometimes )

[mossy anvil]

No

Coz left slot keep rolled values

So u dont need to reroll gold one etc

[dense fable]

ah okay

golden ares are done
now let's farm them further

shall I keep that there or change it to DR ?

[hardy ember]

wait, please explain again? I dont know what blobs are and vman?

[hardy ember]

I know vman, but how does it help with xp?

[mossy anvil]

Blobs are 2nd last critter u can unlock and its more likely u will have it soon

[mossy anvil]

Vman transfusion skill help with skill xp with is good combined with nature traps

Coz efficiency does nothing to nature traps

[mossy anvil]

Just go full dr

[ebon pumice]

anyone need the caustic galciaxus for equinox want to run with me?

[dense fable]

shall I destroy it ?

[mossy anvil]

U can keep it for prints if u are not lazy

[dense fable]

okay

[full beacon]

put it on your trapper for now

[full beacon]

can help

gimme 2 mnin

@ebon pumice what world

[warm grove]

ayy im back from my exam that I probably didn't fail, time to lock back in on idleon

[hardy ember]

So like vman transfusion and then use the trapper in w3 to collect?

[warm grove]

nah you gotta use the transfusion while placing them on the drone with vman

[mossy anvil]

U need to set traps like that

With drone mentioned above

[warm grove]

these things are actually dirt cheap, only 10m per? that's only 200m total for every character

[full beacon]

downright reasonable compared to that 20k purple lantern or whatever it was

[warm grove]

100k dark lanterns, at a 1 in 100,000 chance

[hardy ember]

oh so it snapshots when setting traps not collecting? I see

[mossy anvil]

Exactly

[hardy ember]

Gotcha, thanks appreciate it

[mossy anvil]

Np

[ebon pumice]

@full beacon ohp just saw this, ill be back in about 15-20 mins if youre still running, I just dont quite have enough damage or time to kill the 3rd stage

[full beacon]

yea just lmk, I don't have 100% chance but we can do a few

[warm grove]

hey this one is extra good for my archer

[mossy anvil]

Ok i need to get that recipe

[warm grove]

gave in and spent almost all of my gems on the stamps

[mossy anvil]

Good move imo

[full beacon]

chips updated

[mossy anvil]

Anything good?

[warm grove]

I got 26 minutes still

[full beacon]

solid

[warm grove]

well galvanic nanochips are nice

[mossy anvil]

Both good

[warm grove]

oh damn we haven't gotten the conductive software one in forever, I only had one

[mossy anvil]

Thought its dharma spice for a moment

[warm grove]

ayy there we go, another digit

[hybrid glen]

This is the w3 and 4 questions i know and (don't) love

[warm grove]

only a 6m increase for max book

would you rather I ask you W3 and W4 trivia?

[hybrid glen]

That's just a rename for defense and accuracy

[warm grove]

nah there's plenty of other misc things that people might not know about or care about

[hybrid glen]

Honestly this is better general IdleOn talk than IdleOn genchat

[mossy anvil]

Lmao

[warm grove]

well, basically yeah

[mossy anvil]

I agree too

Gen chat she told u to not worry about

[hybrid glen]

IdleOn genchat is mostly WW stuff at this point

[warm grove]

nice 21k plunderous kills

[hybrid glen]

18% multiplicative dr is busted

[warm grove]

yeah it's honestly great

[hybrid glen]

Fitting for plunderous mobs

[mossy anvil]

Damn, cant catch u with dr now

First sanctum now this

[warm grove]

once you grind sanctum you'll be fine

[mossy anvil]

Need to level equinox aswell

[hybrid glen]

What is best for equinox other than resources?

[warm grove]

like the upgrades?

[hybrid glen]

Yes

[steel ferry]

!merit5

[candid scarab]

1️⃣ W5 skill XP will speed up the divinity grind since it helps unlock stronger styles faster.
2️⃣ Aim to keep the loot pile capacity greater than your ship count so you can claim two entire cycles at once without waste.
3️⃣ Mob respawn will help afk kills in W5.
4️⃣ Total all stats will slightly improve most things. Don't buy it if you don't have the star talent points to use it.
5️⃣ Tab 4 talent points can be scarce but you only get 3 per purchase and there are a lot of other ways to get them including class lvls, skill lvls and the alchemy bubbles.
⚛️ The Atom Collider is the last building on the top row of construction requiring Nullo Salt and 10s of millions of resources to use. The discount should be bought before you start buying atom upgrades.
⚔️ The last boss recipe is The Divine Scarf which is among the best items in the game and reasonably easy to craft. This recipe should be gotten as soon as the task of beating nightmare Kruk on all characters can be completed. Earlier recipes are for armor and weapons most of which gives mob respawn significantly improving kills per hour. Get these if you can afford to craft them.

[warm grove]

liquidvestment is a MUST

[mossy anvil]

I got it already but no sanctum

[hybrid glen]

That's like the cap and liquid generate increase right?

[warm grove]

slow roast wiz, matching scims, some metal detector, faux jewels, and equinox symbols

[limpid bough]

do I have to go set traps on every character or is there a way to do it remotely?

[ebon pumice]

okay @full beacon are you able to run it now?

[warm grove]

in construction you can make a drone later on

[mossy anvil]

Traper drone w3

[hybrid glen]

The trapping drone

[full beacon]

yep

[limpid bough]

UGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

[ebon pumice]

im cookie 16

[limpid bough]

thats so far 🫠

[hybrid glen]

That's just construction being construction

[limpid bough]

does it need blue or green salt

[hybrid glen]

Blue

[limpid bough]

PHEW

[pale thicket]

is there seomthing wrong with the begon troll 4? im at 3/5 and i beat it with my 4th 5th and even my 6th and still says 3/5

[hybrid glen]

You have to Do it in order

You sure you did it right?

[mossy anvil]

If order is correct u might wait like 5 seconds before killing

I remember it bugged for me few times

[scenic pewter]

is there a way to turn off trap box vacuum? i dont always leave my hunter on with trapping codex cards and from how it works im getting screwed over every daily reset if i am not on my hunter with the correct trapping cards active.

[warm grove]

can't turn it off but your best bet is getting this from skill mastery in the rift as soon as you can

might be a while until then though

[hybrid glen]

What rift do you get that from

[sick oak]

Good run?

[warm grove]

16

huge dr

[hybrid glen]

Ok i'm getting there

[sick oak]

Got lucky with a blue dr chest

[pale thicket]

i did tsugoi then merven4 then garen4 then tried to do it on minerr0zzin and it did not wanna count

[mossy anvil]

Didnt know wisdom can give dr

[warm grove]

think it's round 6 and beyond? or 8?

[sick oak]

Idk tbh

[mossy anvil]

Top row from left to right, then bottom from left to rifht

[full beacon]

@ebon pumice crashed lol

forgot to restart client

[pale thicket]

please tell me that does not mean i have to go to the next table and do that top row aswell

[hybrid glen]

No just the first row

Tab*

[pale thicket]

then i did that

[full beacon]

what does it say you're on now? just pick up from there

[mossy anvil]

According to what u said u didnt do them in order

[full beacon]

yea so bottom left now

[hybrid glen]

Yea so u did the first row now the second

[ebon pumice]

okay want to relaunch it?

[mossy anvil]

Merven4 now

[full beacon]

yea I'm in the lobby

[pale thicket]

omfg i thought it counted merven4

cause it was 3/5

[warm grove]

getting to 120 just a bit closer

[pale thicket]

i have killed this thing so many times now that it just lets me kill it

[hybrid glen]

15b trapping XP Jesus christ

[warm grove]

yeah it takes quite some time unfortunately

[hybrid glen]

Is 40 a stable level for w5 tools and armor?

[warm grove]

what?

[hybrid glen]

In terms of trapping level

[warm grove]

oh, uhh not sure but if you need trapping lvls for better traps, run nature traps for a bit for exp, place on vman with the skill transfusion if you have it too

[hybrid glen]

Also trapping cards work the moment you claim the traps right? Or do i have to equip it when i'm placing traps?

[warm grove]

some depend on placing, and some on claiming

I think there's a guide with it somewhere if you want it

[hybrid glen]

For shiny chance

[warm grove]

oh that's for placing

[hybrid glen]

Well fck

[warm grove]

only need them on when you place the traps, not when claiming

[hybrid glen]

I thought it was the opposite

[hexed shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1364366733435211776/1369816639889215528/caption.gif

[fervent jacinth]

i need help with breeding

what genetics are good?

[warm grove]

for placing in the territories or for fighting?

[fervent jacinth]

fighting

[warm grove]

I can send a guide with all the territory fight setups if you want

[fervent jacinth]

plz

[hybrid glen]

There are specific combinations rather than "good fighting pets"

[warm grove]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Go to pets section and it has all the breeding stuff pretty much

[fervent jacinth]

thx

[hybrid glen]

IdleOn is either reading or grinding sadly

Yet i do not know how to read

[warm grove]

I would say there can be thinking but 99% of players don't

[white lintel]

99.9

[warm grove]

fair enough

[hybrid glen]

They can't

[white lintel]

Actually no, 100%

[warm grove]

[white lintel]

Ive seen .1% tome people fail to read in endgame chat

[warm grove]

I see

[hybrid glen]

.1 tome is a flex for IdleOn, but means you have no life

[white lintel]

Not right now it’s not

[hybrid glen]

Or reading capabilities

[white lintel]

There’s been no tome goalpost movement

[warm grove]

I am good at reading when it comes to in game, but sometimes in the discord chat I be seeing what I expect, not what is there

[white lintel]

Hence: illiterate fish

[hybrid glen]

My brain is malfunctioning and idk if it's irony that i can't understand this sentence

Or spell correctly

[warm grove]

I wonder if it counts if I catch shadow with a bug net

[hybrid glen]

I wonder if the megalodon counts as a whale catch

[warm grove]

hmm

[past hedge]

i just unlocked book library, what should i do here?

[sick oak]

[warm grove]

you can take out books to increase some talents' max lvls

[past hedge]

what do you recommend?

[hybrid glen]

Justice monument is confusing

[warm grove]

efficiency ones, dmg, some of the advanced class talents that do either as well

[hybrid glen]

And Max level for main stat

[warm grove]

so guilded sword and the 11th talent on all the guys for efficiency

unfortunately you can't book the tab 1 talent for your main stats

[hybrid glen]

Like the tab 3 and 4 ones

[warm grove]

you can increase it through other tab talents though

[past hedge]

i see

[hybrid glen]

Wonder if you can get to 900 in those

[warm grove]

yeah, if I wasn't slacking i'd be above 1000 on this character

[hybrid glen]

Sure noticed bro 300 above max

[sick oak]

Holly gains

[ebon pumice]

anyone else wanna help with w3 party dungeon boss?

we have two of us

[hybrid glen]

#party-finder-👪 for that

[warm grove]

yeah people usually don't do the W3 dungeon because of the crashing so gl

[hybrid glen]

It crashes?

[warm grove]

there's a certain lvl that shows up that gurantees a crash

so it's a large gamble to play it

[hybrid glen]

I never really looked st the w3 dungeon i got The achieves and called it a day

[warm grove]

oh wait that's W2 mb

[past hedge]

how can i get more drop rate? dropping nuget cakes seems to take ages

[hybrid glen]

Obols

[warm grove]

are you using ES?

[hybrid glen]

And talents

[past hedge]

i do not even know what that means

[past hedge]

i got like 2 equipped on my family

[hybrid glen]

Elemental sorcerer

[warm grove]

elemental sorcerrer, elite class

[past hedge]

oh

im still on world 3

[hybrid glen]

Are they for drop rate tho?

[past hedge]

one of them yes

[hybrid glen]

If you need drop rate obols go for gigafrogs and sand castles

[past hedge]

i see

[hybrid glen]

They do take a while to get tho

The gigafrog one has 1 in 100k

Btw if you're still in w3 you should probably not be farming nuget cakes

[past hedge]

i was following a gear guide

and i needed them for the warrior weapon

[hybrid glen]

Rather progressing to w4 and 5 would be better

[past hedge]

like hard pushing?

[hybrid glen]

Not just pushing but focus on pushing

[past hedge]

my barb is pushing rn

i think im 3 stages from the world 3 boss

need to up my accuracy too

[hybrid glen]

I think 500 is already enough if you don't mind missing a little

[warm grove]

well having 100% accuracy is always the goal

[hybrid glen]

I've never had accuracy problems so i don't check how much i need to 100%

[warm grove]

you in W4 or W5?

[past hedge]

i got 781 and i have 35% hit chance on the penguins

[hybrid glen]

W6

[warm grove]

ah you never had any at all? then that means you were smart

[hybrid glen]

You can get cards to help

Sand castles, veiny logs and wood mushrooms

[hybrid glen]

Up to the lantern guys, yes, none

[past hedge]

lemme test

[warm grove]

nice, you don't have accuracy problems in W6 anyways unless there's major problems, now its just dmg

[hybrid glen]

I've had problems with my damage though (uhh 3 hours in kruk)

[warm grove]

felt that

[hybrid glen]

Copper card helps too

[past hedge]

alr now its 50%

not good but since its a barb i think i will be fine

[hybrid glen]

Meh try getting more from the secondary stat, which would be wisdom

[full beacon]

acc still good to look at if you're generally "on par" for your area since dk needs 150%

[warm grove]

this task sucks fr

[hybrid glen]

What the fuck...

[white lintel]

Then don’t do it

[warm grove]

nah ima do it

Kashya did it so I gotta to or im a slacker

[full beacon]

did you do the no open chest crafting in blunder hills

[warm grove]

not yet but it's way easier now

[ebon pumice]

Man I’ve been forgetting to buy bobjoepickles and I need like 60 more for the second vial upgrade for equinox

[warm grove]

so much more inventory space

30 days of bobjoepickle buying

[full beacon]

the only difficult part is tallying up what you need

[warm grove]

people made guides for it long ago

[full beacon]

24 more levels for ruby bosses set

feels so far

[warm grove]

for ruby??? no way

[warm grove]

that's 4 stars, not ruby

[full beacon]

oh

yea 4* then

[warm grove]

i'm not even at 4* yet

[hybrid glen]

Y'all at 3*? congrats

[full beacon]

3* becomes fairly easy after a certain point

you're just able to grind keys very easy

[warm grove]

I already went on the hunt for a ton of 5* cards, think I got like 110 total or something

[hybrid glen]

I didn't even know grinding Keys is possible

Like from colosseum?

[warm grove]

easy for W4 and W5, the early worlds means dk on minibosses

[full beacon]

w4 and w5 have a mob(s) that drops them

but yea minibosses and colo for rest

[warm grove]

got all these keys pretty passively

[full beacon]

cap

[hybrid glen]

I have like 300 Keys for kruk and it still feels way too low

[full beacon]

carpal tunnel PO is not passively

[warm grove]

wdym cap???

most of those keys were not from PO

[full beacon]

[hybrid glen]

Most of

Gotcha

[warm grove]

the other world keys were basically all from minibosses and such

W5 is from bubo CC

[full beacon]

hmmm at my current dr I need 1500 troll keys to 5* the chaos card

[full beacon]

just messing with you, was mostly talking about the amarok ones

[warm grove]

I probably got maybe 2k amarok keys from PO or less, others are just from time

[limpid bough]

BLUNDER HERO WOOOO

[warm grove]

nice, got some respawn rate I believe

[full beacon]

I need to wrap up the blunder gstacks

[limpid bough]

nah its skill afk gain

[full beacon]

only getting 8 keys per day cuz I left 2 ppl with quests

[warm grove]

oh, do it again and get another trophy for the respawn rate, it's an achievement

[limpid bough]

ohh

maybe someday but def not anytime soon 😭

[hybrid glen]

Quest tokens are shit

[vernal geyser]

Hey should I build nooby cogs and get a bunch of exp cogs? Or just make the decent cogs? Currently I have barely any exp cogs

And every time I make the decent cogs almost always it comes with 0 exp so it’s taking a long time

[warm grove]

focus on the lower tier cogs for some easy exp first if you are actively cogging

[vernal geyser]

Alright sounds good

Yeah I was told I should get all exp cogs, so I think I’ll just make all exp nooby cogs and then make decent cogs to replace them

[warm grove]

seems like a good idea, because I don't think you can get directionals yet so faster cogging means better overall exp

[hybrid glen]

Directionals are only red and purple yea

[warm grove]

alright I thought so but it's been a while

as you could potentially infer

[hybrid glen]

Why so many unclaimed

[warm grove]

I generate that many overnight, I haven't done cogs at all yet today

I get like 4 ultimate cogs in a second

[hybrid glen]

Ah makes sense

I get 4 ulti overnight lol

[full beacon]

that's pretty good

I get 4 too

[warm grove]

pretty sure I was lvl 80 when I started doing this task actively

[hybrid glen]

For some reason i am saltlocked to the point where 12 nullo salts is very hard to get

[warm grove]

12 nullo is hard?

[hybrid glen]

Yes

[warm grove]

please send a ss of your salt ranks

[hybrid glen]

All above the green ones are hard

[full beacon]

how are you making 4 ultis a night but 12 nullo is hard

[mint furnace]

construction ez

[full beacon]

I'm not even trying to flame you I just thought we're pretty close by that statement

[warm grove]

this is a general guide to good salt ranks

doesn't tell you why it's that way but you can compare to it

[full beacon]

refinery is construction to me

[hybrid glen]

I ran out of pocket sand bro💀

[sly nova]

I need more dmg and accuracy

[mint furnace]

No it refinery

[warm grove]

you are ranking up your subsequent salts too much

[sly nova]

Cooking?

[warm grove]

your red should be rank 16, orange 8, and blue 5 for max

[native trail]

lagarto

[warm grove]

currently you made blue way too high for it's costs

same for the second tab

[native trail]

Whats the optimal characters to push w6 with i’m soul locked at leeks rn

[sly nova]

Still at leeks eh?

[native trail]

mhm

[sly nova]

Thought that you're late w6

[warm grove]

you gotta do them all eventually, but vman is free, dk, db, ww, es, and 2nd sb or dk is free

[sly nova]

[native trail]

i’m late w4 at best

[sly nova]

Cooking

[native trail]

Burning

[native trail]

So would 2 sb 1 ww and 1 dk enough

[warm grove]

yeah you could do that, although an es is probably easier than dk or a sb depending on progression and gear

also link to nobi in the pocket div so not all of your guys gotta swap to it for the 2x kills

[sly nova]

Almost 2 more

I need that skull of major dmg

[native trail]

Aaa yea forgot

so i should keep artic and replace harriep with it

[sly nova]

Hot take
2 db good

[warm grove]

replace harriep, if you replace arctis you won't get double kills from lab

[native trail]

yep

[sly nova]

50 bone 1 day

[sick oak]

Thats not hot?

[sly nova]

Cooking

[sick oak]

Damn you right

[sly nova]

No

I lied 🧐

[full beacon]

idk if anyone thinks 2 db as an isolated statement is bad

it's just framing it from acc perspective where you want 2 dk for construction

so if you get 2 db too then you got 4 warriors

[warm grove]

chat are we follkey?

[sly nova]

I use 2 dk 2 db

[warm grove]

holy he is

[sick oak]

Warrior master race

[warm grove]

bros atoms gotta be insane

IF he reprinted

FINALLY, MY FINGERS

[native trail]

The server feels empty without shionne

[native trail]

what theeee

[full beacon]

how many eggs do you have left lol

[warm grove]

I haven't seen shionne in so long

[sly nova]

You're empty?

[native trail]

I know right

[warm grove]

was using 1 at a time for greatest efficiency

so 1158 eggs left

[sly nova]

Eggshells goated

[full beacon]

noice

[native trail]

how the hell u got so many eggs

[warm grove]

aagh

[warm grove]

W4 mini on dk

[native trail]

Oof

what was ur orb at

[warm grove]

probably over 500 or 600 min

[native trail]

Ahhhh

what’s ur orb level?

[warm grove]

eh probably closer to 500 ngl, it was pmush

373? around there

[native trail]

mine is 260

so u just place knight in the middle and he does the job

[warm grove]

now the question is do I keep breeding for more spirals?

[full beacon]

yes

[warm grove]

fine

[sly nova]

Need to do less interaction nowadays

I might get ban 😭👎🏻

[warm grove]

lol

[sly nova]

Or muted

When the update drop imma get active

[warm grove]

probably another 2 weeks then

[sly nova]

When new update?

[full beacon]

what are the chances I 3* nightmare without finding a necklace

[warm grove]

early mid may he said

you are not gonna 3 star before getting a few necklaces

[full beacon]

challenge accepted
- my game

[warm grove]

trust i've not gotten the 3 star yet and got like 3 or 4 total

[full beacon]

oh that's good to know

my morale been dropping

[warm grove]

what's your dr?

[full beacon]

32 on vman

[warm grove]

so near like 1 in 78 or so?

I think that sounds about right

[full beacon]

yours is 60?

[warm grove]

bit over 1 in 50 at 50 dr, and I did this farm much earlier for necklaces

[full beacon]

icic

[native trail]

guys is the glitch with chaotic chiz also applicable with other bosses

[full beacon]

what's the glitch

[warm grove]

no, the cards are just bugged for it for some reason

[full beacon]

oh for rubify

[native trail]

ye

[full beacon]

yea that one is so easy

surely it's a feature

[native trail]

hope so

[full beacon]

lava tipping off crystal farming as important

[warm grove]

unintended feature due to lava's code

[livid jasper]

Been afk in the kitchen but the quest still 0/15 ang ideaa ?

[warm grove]

gotta do 15 minutes in an afk claim

[full beacon]

😂

that quest gets so many ppl

[livid jasper]

Wdym ?

[full beacon]

ayoooooooo

+1 slab

[warm grove]

like put your character in kitchen, swap to another for 15 minutes, go back and claim

[native trail]

how can i get a good amount of this

[warm grove]

lol I just did

[full beacon]

never let your eggs lvl up

[native trail]

oof

i’m doing that to unlock bop

[strange prism]

[warm grove]

if you have this, then use eggs as soon as possible for most spirals, otherwise just don't let them rank up

[strange prism]

10/10

[native trail]

yeah i don’t

[warm grove]

this was a bit harder

[full beacon]

broke now

[warm grove]

oh yeah

1 claim from my bubo to give that much to my dk

[hybrid glen]

Damn

I've never seen the xp transfer talent do anything, like i have one guy who is lvl 8 in lab and the talent doesn't do anything

Even having the bubo in lab at all times

[warm grove]

only goes to the lowest lab lvl guy on the claim

so if you don't log into that one guy, it'll stack all on him

[hybrid glen]

Oh i should have known that earlier

[warm grove]

you can check in ie or it

or claim on all characters

[hybrid glen]

Aight thx

[native trail]

good number? the skill is at 227

[warm grove]

not terrible, hard to judge from my perspective you know?

[native trail]

Yea how would i test

[warm grove]

no real way to test, just always lvl your meals as much as you can

[mint furnace]

go try and cook

[honest cradle]

ngl getting the attack speed from post office feels really good

[native trail]

this is the picture i took before i started a recipe it should’ve risen

[warm grove]

now get the meal

[native trail]

cauliflower thoooo

[strange prism]

dam thats nice

[strange prism]

yea..

[honest cradle]

dont have that yet

[native trail]

its gud

[warm grove]

finally, knew it'd be on that claim

[strange prism]

Im already hitting lv11 shinys in 16 hours, cant imagine what its like with that maxed

[warm grove]

hmm not bad

well I think it's better by 16%?

[full beacon]

y'all ribbon liquid cap?

[warm grove]

no, but some might, I prefer gains

[native trail]

did weekly boss guide drop yet

[mint furnace]

i just ribboned all of them with whatever

[full beacon]

noice

thinking about putting one on sailing spd

I know it ends eventually but still

[warm grove]

not a bad idea, I still don't got 2 hours on all boats, it's hard

[native trail]

i personally put mine in kitchen upgrades and dmg and some skilling eff

[warm grove]

wait, please tell me you have peachring

[mint furnace]

it ends eventually but then you use the treasures for bubbles

[mint furnace]

i don't :P

[full beacon]

yes I done peach

[warm grove]

nah I don't believe you

[mint furnace]

how i get peach

[warm grove]

with le cook

ngl mine still isn't great

[mint furnace]

oh ok then
i need to figure out how to unlock the spices better im just throwing things at it

[warm grove]

only a T13 ribbon

[warm grove]

wait actually?

[strange prism]

good ribbon tho

[warm grove]

good, not great, it'd be way better if I knew during the ribbon event, but my cooking wasn't good enough yet

[strange prism]

I have a ribbon on everything

[warm grove]

buncha banannas?

[mint furnace]

yeah lol

[warm grove]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
go to pets

[strange prism]

bruh its lv13 stop acting like its bad

[warm grove]

tells you the setup to unlock them all

[mint furnace]

oh ok

Uh, guess I'll do that

[warm grove]

I compare myself to late midgamers like darkred don't blame me

[mint furnace]

i have level 80 meals XD i should have done that

[strange prism]

what everything means

[warm grove]

goated bonus

[strange prism]

bruh darkreds ribbons suck

[warm grove]

do they actually?

[strange prism]

and obols

darkreds the alch bandit

[warm grove]

a shame

that means I can catch up easier then

[strange prism]

side note

[warm grove]

great, but it doesn't actually give the bonus efficiency

[mint furnace]

it what

[warm grove]

it's a ripoff

[hybrid glen]

My life does not make sense

[warm grove]

with the lvls

[trail stirrup]

anyone have a guide for the first tower defense fight? like my best is 80ish waves

[mint furnace]

level 49?

[warm grove]

WAIT I LIED, IT ONLY RESETS ON CLOUDSAVE, we are so back

[mint furnace]

ha i thought so

[warm grove]

it's a WW, haven't gotten to skill mastery yet

[mint furnace]

just leave him on motherlode for a day

[warm grove]

finally, tp postage is redeemed

[strange prism]

I might be a pro at deleting 4/5 bows

[warm grove]

motherlode is trash for lvls

[full beacon]

if you're getting to 80, you know how to play. the rest is just tower power. gotta grind up those building levels

[worn raptor]

low motherlodes yes

[mint furnace]

I mean if you don't have

[trail stirrup]

oh so it dosent get a lot harder then?

[warm grove]

arctis's motherlode also sucks cheeks

[full beacon]

you mean like tactics? I guess you gotta learn when to use ensnare for the w3 one

[hybrid glen]

The exp scales too for motherlode right?

[trail stirrup]

really, i have been playing on my es because easy access to charge, and i got to wave 50 on the first 6 towers

[warm grove]

look at that

[mint furnace]

^

[strange prism]

I showed tests a view days back, only good skilling node from hole is wood

[warm grove]

oh I cropped out motherlode, trust me because it's super high eff required compared to godshard

[full beacon]

don't use siphon, it'll cripple your progression on other chars

everyone needs worship levels to equip better skulls

[hybrid glen]

Wtf happened there the accuracy barely moved

[warm grove]

wood gives similar lvls to effervescent

[trail stirrup]

SHIT NOOOO, i have forgotten skulls completly

[warm grove]

that's mining godshard vs mining in the hole on motherlode

[hybrid glen]

Oh ok

[trail stirrup]

i never thought of them post w3... this is my only warshipping dude

[strange prism]

accuracy

[hybrid glen]

Motherlode gains are weird

[trail stirrup]

im early-mid w6 and im using slush skull

[full beacon]

use the crafted skulls, that skull has really bad charge

[strange prism]

motherload and catching stink

[trail stirrup]

yeah ik, im just stupid

[warm grove]

alright 20 hours of gs grinding

[bronze sun]

for the rifts where you have to collect skull points... is there a strategy to speed it up? or just kill everything as fast as you can?

[hybrid glen]

Es mostly

[mint furnace]

Why do people say that the slush skull is best?

[warm grove]

they are trolling

[hybrid glen]

Because it is shit

[warm grove]

or actually ignorant

only 6 more lvls and i'll have them

[worn raptor]

if slush skull it's better than your actual skull, you need update worship rn

[hybrid glen]

If i were to use slush skull on my es the full charge would take 1/3 of a year

[native trail]

OMAGA

[warm grove]

nice, now all your best ribbons funnel into it

[native trail]

ermmmm

[trail stirrup]

one day ill get that fricker

[warm grove]

gotta redo my td and then it'll be easier

[hybrid glen]

Are the donuts in cooking good?

[warm grove]

what's the effect?

[worn raptor]

gfood?

[hybrid glen]

New pet breed chance

15% every level

[warm grove]

it's good for a low ribbon

IF you need it

[livid jasper]

What should i choose on my 8th class ? Keep it beginner ?

[hybrid glen]

What exactly would be considered a low ribbon?

[warm grove]

tier 1-3 imo

4-7 is mid tier

[hybrid glen]

Okay so my ribbons are nice

[warm grove]

above that you really funnel them all together

[full beacon]

rank 10 ribbon on everything one day

[hybrid glen]

Divine knight

I mean everyone has their own choice but if you can't decide go for dk

That is if you have a j/vman already

[full beacon]

idk which fish slots to sacrifice for sea salt ones

[warm grove]

these ones are all useful or crucial

made a sampling chart, the other ones are only needed temporarily

[full beacon]

oh cool so I don't actually need all 4 seasalts/

ahh I see, shrimp is just for the rod

[warm grove]

some of them are for armor so you onlt need a certain amount

[full beacon]

ok I'll sample that later then, when I'm ready to make

[warm grove]

im gonna stop doing efficient breeding actively when I get to lvl 83, this is such a slog

[native trail]

No way he just said that

[mint furnace]

mean!!!

[warm grove]

that's insane

[native trail]

cancel himm

[worn raptor]

cancel idlemancer

[honest cradle]

O wow 3 cystal spawns proccing choco chi[

that looked satisfying

[warm grove]

I just got like 34 shattershell eggs in a row or something

[regal valley]

is there a w5 guide

[warm grove]

might be in w5 chat

[regal valley]

there no w5 chat

[warm grove]

all you really gotta do is div to arctis, try getting tranqui style, then push to w6

the one after this one? #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[regal valley]

bruh

crazy it wasnt even on my list

[warm grove]

damn

@full beacon in total I got 20k grey spirals and used 500 eggs one at a time, probably bred over 2.5k pets

[full beacon]

my god

good thing we have pc

[warm grove]

not sure if that or PO was worse to active

[full beacon]

doing that on mobile would give me cancer

[warm grove]

lol

[full beacon]

def breeding due to the withdraw part

[warm grove]

yeah probably, i'd agree, having to min max eggs was awful

[near latch]

😒

Any guide yall would recommend for breeding btw? Feels like its the one skill ive sort of just been legging it and hoping for the best so far.

[warm grove]

yeah I got one actually

[warm grove]

this

pretty in depth too

[full beacon]

we take those

[warm grove]

nice

damn, got until july 24th to get all the jewels for lab

[full beacon]

grind time

uhh is caulifish supposed to be the worst by far?

[warm grove]

yeah

[full beacon]

561k shellfish 141k caulifish

[warm grove]

it's the bloques of salt island

[full beacon]

alright just making sure I didn't wear something wrong

[warm grove]

gonna take me some more effort to ruby ngl

[full beacon]

the grind never ends

[warm grove]

then W7 comes out and the cards are absolutely atrocious

hopefully lava makes the W6 card drops easier when w7 comes out

[full beacon]

prob will

maybe global cdr

well that took like all day for me to finally sample, I hate sampling

got sidetracked 3 times

[white lintel]

It will be, you’ll be able to Candy them

[warm grove]

oh true forgot

[white lintel]

That’s the biggest hold back

It’ll still be expensive but it won’t be weeks or months of active ES or whatever to get all rubies

[warm grove]

oh new weekly I gotta go kill the boss

actually im too lazy !weeklyboss

!weeklyboss forgot

[candid scarab]

Want the W2 Weekly Boss kill strategies? Of course you do. You can head to https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1157094107085283428 and read the pins.

Want to know the strategies for future weeks too? Check out the Google Sheet made by Roronoa Zoro and DiamondDoge.

[white lintel]

I’m really bad at doing those Ngl

I get too lazy

[warm grove]

same

[full beacon]

oh new star book for me

is it good?

[warm grove]

no its ass

[full beacon]

oh

well I won't fish for better levels then

[full beacon]

💀

finally got the crow perch nice

gonna prem it

[honest cradle]

wait theres a w5 chat

Why is that not default

What is the deal with these weird servers that do things like this

[indigo stratus]

It was default for me, w6 is the one that wasnt

[warm grove]

always had them all

[indigo stratus]

Good ol discord

[warm grove]

it's beacause lava targeted the new members

[honest cradle]

How is that not in "just the basics"

[mint furnace]

spoilers

idk

[indigo stratus]

You're a spoiler, timmy

[honest cradle]

I dont even see a spoilers option

And I have the secrets and spoilers tag

[mint furnace]

idk lol

[mint furnace]

i do not know how to respond to that ||||

[spare dome]

I'm planning on leaving an active character overnight. Which one has the most important active stacking, SB, ES or DK?

I don't have any master classes yet btw

[warm grove]

its ES or DK depending on what you are farmning

use ES for mob mats and rare drops, dk for bag drops with a crystal setup

[full beacon]

idk if there's really much you can overnight other than statues

mats will fill up in 50 minutes

[warm grove]

oh true, you'd have to filter and only get rare drops

[spare dome]

DK has a crystal farming talent?

[warm grove]

not a talent but it's dks whole thing with the orb

[full beacon]

do you have all the prereqs?

[spare dome]

What prereqs?

[full beacon]

dice/pop obols, choco chip, etc

[spare dome]

No clue

[full beacon]

I mean, if you're just overnighting for the sake of overnighting without a specific goal in mind, maybe you can grind troll keys or something idk

[spare dome]

I haven't reached that yet lol

Also, wouldn't farming troll keys be better afk? Since my afk bonus is more than 100%

[warm grove]

nope, definitely better active with ES

[spare dome]

So ES has better farming in active than afk even with the bonus?

[warm grove]

I got over 500% afk bonus and it's still better to active on ES and DK

[spare dome]

Then I guess I'll farm with ES

Overnight

[warm grove]

your inventory will probably fill up with mob mats though

[native trail]

filter

[spare dome]

I'll just filter

[warm grove]

which will then lag your game like crazy

[full beacon]

you can overnight woodshrooms

get rolling on those bullseyes

[native trail]

and i’ll assume u have auto loot

[spare dome]

I do

[native trail]

okay

[spare dome]

I spent a bit with a gift card on steam I got for a gig

[native trail]

dope still can’t get autoloot yet lol it’s pain

[spare dome]

Then I'll be farming flying worms since that's my latest ES map

I'm planning to make my ES reach the boss first

[native trail]

why not push wifh dk ?

[spare dome]

Is DK better for portal kills?

[native trail]

yea

[spare dome]

Oh

[native trail]

good respawn mechanic and AOE

actively yeah and for afk it’s Db

aka bb

[spare dome]

Don't have DB yet

[native trail]

good addition for kitchen and for farming later on

[spare dome]

Don't I need to reach beyond W4 though?

[neon bay]

How do I calculate guaranteed drop

[honest cradle]

exp book statue best rates is crabal?

[warm grove]

W2 crystal farming is tysons for max efficiency

slightly more efficient than both sandcastles and sand pots

it's true they already did the study

[honest cradle]

y tho

[rancid tendon]

do I have to re-sample every time I gain mastery?

[warm grove]

wdym who though?

[warm grove]

in skill mastery? no, not really but you should resample often early on