midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[low arrow]

I think ima need to boost the alch and other thing to get more kph to push

[brave crater]

GET SARATTED

[night sable]

i have actual gear on other chars i'm waiting to craft all my stuff at once

[brave crater]

Yeah but the skill efficiency is better

[worn tulip]

wow this is absolutely disgusting

[brave crater]

Not really

[worn tulip]

oh yeah?

gimme a sec :)

[night sable]

i need to print icicle flies and wispy lumber but once i do im at void gear

no it is garbage gear it's like 3 full tiers too low for me

[brave crater]

U probably don’t have dementia

[night sable]

i'm like 3 lenses off weapon too

[zenith hare]

not really

[worn tulip]

i have half dementia cuz bad worship and the other thing

[zenith hare]

as you can share gear

[night sable]

true

[zenith hare]

and the gear you use for fighting is for accuracy

and the rex rings are main stated, as their skilling gear

[night sable]

aw im short on cubes for ice hammer

[low arrow]

The gear i got and 3.7k kph im doing something bad ngl

[zenith hare]

people normally have ab 2k kph

[worn tulip]

im still prepping him for the majestic 24 hour candy

[zenith hare]

cards

[low arrow]

I passed the serrated to maestro to lvl up his skill

[zenith hare]

afk rings are better then em

[zenith hare]

also iron bands are just as good as serrated in w4, and theyre even better in w5

[night sable]

iron band as in steel band or a different item called iron band

[worn tulip]

i am worried by the lack of words being typed here

[zenith hare]

anvil tab 1

[low arrow]

Also 2k kph with brigt ?

[zenith hare]

yes

without bright people have ab 1k kph

[low arrow]

Then maybe im not bad to push

[worn tulip]

why did you say this if youre not gonna respond 😭

[zenith hare]

cause you have the 2 fighting afk kph cards, given camarok is at a very low level

[night sable]

fixed half my problem

[worn tulip]

why the skill rings tho 😭

[night sable]

cause that's what i have right now

same reason as the half amarok

[zenith hare]

one of my chars still have iron bands

actually 3 of em do

even if i have access to 10% all stat rings with far better base stats

laziness~

[worn tulip]

guys should i give my +6% mob respawn chain to my dk or not hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[zenith hare]

why would you not??

[latent bramble]

[low arrow]

The cards ofthat 1 gem rotation are carrying with dmg boost

[worn tulip]

i take back what i said a while back, this is truly disgusting

[honest reef]

If ur doing afk sure. If ur doing active probably to an afk character like BB

[night sable]

oh thats a big buff

[worn tulip]

why did lava change the "players" button

[night sable]

that got me over the 2x threshold on genies

[zenith hare]

my bubo rn

[honest reef]

I wonder if it's the right choice to play idleskilling for 2 w3 card packs which could give me emperor card lol

[zenith hare]

then you see this one

[worn tulip]

is 5% mk or 6% respawn better

[zenith hare]

then these two neglected people

[zenith hare]

1. base mk% is utter trash
2. mk% bonuses only work if you get mk

which you dont have

[worn tulip]

oh yeh i dont lol

[honest reef]

Dang I'm surprised meme doesn't have godshard equipment nor tools

[low arrow]

Mines are all on amrock and most gold tools exept main skill one

[low arrow]

The exeption dk with 2 plat tool

[worn tulip]

well i was right about the 30 hours :(

[zenith hare]

im used to far more

[night sable]

my neglecteds have nothing but my upgraded are dementia tools and armor in void waiting room

[honest reef]

But you don't have that on all of your characters

[zenith hare]

even back when i pushed w4 myself

[zenith hare]

i could do it right now if i wanted

i have all the bars, resources, armour, everything

[plucky frost]

Is the meta still 3x each class+ VM?

[zenith hare]

too lazy though

[night sable]

leave 10th beginner

[zenith hare]

3 of each, no second sb and hold as beginner, then vman

[plucky frost]

oh wait no more second SB?

[night sable]

go vman 7th xdd

[honest reef]

Fair enough it takes me at least an hour to upgrade things for all of my characters

[zenith hare]

not been since hole

[plucky frost]

been following
https://www.reddit.com/r/idleon/comments/161z81u/character_creation_and_class_selection/

[worn tulip]

time to see what my 24 hr candy gets me

[zenith hare]

wayyy too old

[plucky frost]

there an updated one lying around?

[zenith hare]

nope

why would there be when the meta is gonna change heavily

in the next coming updates

wait till after all master classes are out then yeah

[honest reef]

Just do one of each class for now and then choose other characters depending on their master classrs

[low arrow]

I think on this disc was a updsted class setup

[zenith hare]

second dk is still fine

[minor crater]

I cant get 180 divine knight orb score for rift 8 what do I do?

[ancient arch]

i keep finding random lab equipment that looks super good

[zenith hare]

second es could be removed dont know yet, but second sb has been gone for ages

[honest reef]

Yeah u kinda need it for construction

[zenith hare]

more move speed

higher level statue and orb

[worn tulip]

holy shit

[honest reef]

Hopefully sb master class is good

[plucky frost]

i'm on my 8th char, i have 2x DKs, 1x BB, 1x SB, 1x BM, 1x Bubo, 1x ES. Was going to make second ES here. Is that no longer optimal?

[honest reef]

No not that the potions

[worn tulip]

yellow damage numbers on inventory screen 🎉

[zenith hare]

bm is gonna be better :3

[zenith hare]

youre so far behind in terms of what ur stats say

[honest reef]

Well ig BM needs more of a buff than SB. . . So that's probably true

[zenith hare]

1mill max damage should be when you kill troll

[night sable]

very good set of upgrades, from 4.7k kph afk to almost 13k

[zenith hare]

youre at 10.

[worn tulip]

yellow shows at -10M tho :(

[zenith hare]

yes

[worn tulip]

oh

[low arrow]

Dk is the construction chief and squire the slave i mean the worker

[honest reef]

I feel like bubo, dk, and es will still be good no matter what bc their elite classes are already good

[carmine dragon]

Is arena spirit bugged?

[zenith hare]

you use it before the run

all it does is not consume the entry

[carmine dragon]

Oh

[zenith hare]

it doesnt give you another

[carmine dragon]

Thx

[zenith hare]

now you know though

im sure everyones fell for it at least once if they werent told

at least if they read what their skills done anyways

[worn tulip]

tbf ive been chilling in w4 for a good half a year

[zenith hare]

and now youre complaining it takes ages?

it takes people like a month max

[worn tulip]

i took a break lol

[latent bramble]

or a few times if you only used it once in a blue moon

[zenith hare]

you refering to someone?

name prolly starting with an a

ending with a w

[minor crater]

not enough

[latent bramble]

yeah, probably areaperw

[zenith hare]

yeah! definitely

[minor crater]

154/180

[zenith hare]

what weapon you using? and whats talent levels?

also link to arctis for extra talent levels

[plucky frost]

I got into W4 like a day ago , would have been further but ive been lab slaving

[minor crater]

I have the link from w5(cavern) I think does it count?

[worn tulip]

ehhh what golden food should i giv ehim for the epic 24 hour candy usage

[zenith hare]

that is arctis

[minor crater]

I mean cavern

[zenith hare]

do you need food for 100% surv?

[worn tulip]

nah

[zenith hare]

should yeah, whats div level?

[worn tulip]

he has like a thousand def

[zenith hare]

then max out on move speed potions

it ups kph by a bit normally

[minor crater]

level 5

[zenith hare]

yikes

[night sable]

true

[zenith hare]

higher div level, higher minor link bonus

[worn tulip]

no difference 🤷‍♂️

[night sable]

dont get higher div level actually

[zenith hare]

what is ur highest book level?

[night sable]

its fake

[minor crater]

149

[zenith hare]

say that to my +16 to all talents due to div level

[zenith hare]

is symbols from beyond maxed?

[minor crater]

whats that

[zenith hare]

and ofc all tab 4/3 active talents too

[night sable]

in w5 it means jack shit lmao

[zenith hare]

bottom right talent in tab 4

[zenith hare]

youd be surprised

[night sable]

if you dont have goat how are you getting div level on your pusher

[zenith hare]

faster you rush it, faster you get tentieye 200

[minor crater]

no no im level 373

[worn tulip]

my fucking ears.

owie

[night sable]

level 373 like one character?

[zenith hare]

faster you get that, faster you get alchemy good

[zenith hare]

no i need talent levels, not class levels

symbols gives an extra talent level to all talents every 20 levels

[zenith hare]

which extends orb duration

[minor crater]

im gonna reset

[zenith hare]

remove talents in 3, 7, and 9 and move them to 4 and 15

add rest back to 7

[night sable]

3 is very fake early yeah

[worn tulip]

why would you even put anything but a single point in orb

[zenith hare]

you only need 1 in 3, there is no differences to a higher level

[night sable]

more duration is good

[zenith hare]

each orb level gives 0.15 extra seconds

[night sable]

and you have a lot of points eventually

[zenith hare]

longer it lasts, easier to get a higher orb

theyre entire goal is to get a 180 orb

[night sable]

like, i have 1 point in orb

[worn tulip]

im still kinda confused on the workings of orb, is there an explanation somewhere?

[night sable]

but i also have something like 190 total

[low arrow]

Mine is at 102 with family bonus and R

[zenith hare]

tldr: multiplies ur dr per 100 kills

[worn tulip]

ok cool

[zenith hare]

so my 55x dr becomes 110x at orb 100

[low arrow]

I think he last 60 secs

[zenith hare]

i can get to orb 1000 on the best orb map

[worn tulip]

YAYYYY ANOTHER KNIGHTLY DISCIPLE ATTACK 🎉

welp 110 is my max so woohoo ig

man the squire tab is so bad man

[night sable]

right now i can get 70 orb on genies but i also have one point in orb

[worn tulip]

how exactly does it work with the scores tho

[zenith hare]

orb go brrr

[worn tulip]

does it keep them forever or what

[night sable]

it keeps them as long as the orb is up

[worn tulip]

well thats mediocre

[zenith hare]

base dr * (1+(orb count/100)) = effective dr

[night sable]

total kills is tracked under king of the remembered for i wanna say printer output

[minor crater]

done ty

[zenith hare]

it ONLY gives me about 12-15x the gains for placing it once every 3 minutes

as it works on crystal mobs

[night sable]

orb's like top 5 talents in the game

[worn tulip]

ok

anyways

[knotty solstice]

How do ribbons work? I bought one through the gem shop and I have no clue how to get more outside of there

[zenith hare]

need DB

[worn tulip]

what do i use my squire tab points on 😭

[night sable]

db kitchen stuff

[knotty solstice]

Laaaaame!

[worn tulip]

cope?

[low arrow]

I checked and mines last less thsn half the cd

[knotty solstice]

Why couldn't it be a w4 thing like everything else in w4

[night sable]

precis power is good

[knotty solstice]

what do you think it is lol

[worn tulip]

you act like i dont have that maxxed already

ok one sec

[night sable]

you're very aggressive for not knowing how the game works

[night sable]

library

think blocky bottles is also usable

i'd put at least one point in it

[worn tulip]

yeah did so

meat shank my beloved 🍖 ❤️

[zenith hare]

minus booking shite, nothing there will help you much

all the good active talents are maxed

and you easily have the damage to one shot most mobs with active talents

[worn tulip]

i wanna mk tho :(

[zenith hare]

you wont

[night sable]

what do you want to multikill

[zenith hare]

you wont mk while pushing till w6

and even then thatll be mid-late w6

[worn tulip]

i had mk until now

[zenith hare]

and that is the problem

you dont need mk to push

you couldve pushed with 10x less stats!

[night sable]

what are you pushing on that you want mk

worms?
clams?

[zenith hare]

and still push with the same efficency

[night sable]

w5?

[zenith hare]

waiting till mk will only slow you down

w6 you accidentally get mk while pushing due to how account progression works

[cold wraith]

yea dont wait for mk

[rapid osprey]

Should I have my SB / BM make all weapons / tools because of "Godly Creation"?

[zenith hare]

getting better worlds is always better then waiting for mk

[cold wraith]

even with vault itll be at best the first few maps and fall off

[night sable]

like

[knotty solstice]

I don't have mk on this map, yet here's what I'm doing. Mk's a little hard to get in w4, I have 4m damage and I don't have it.

[zenith hare]

yeah being optimal like that is best, but tbh youll forget ab it soon enough

[worn tulip]

im at clammies now!1!1!1!11!

[zenith hare]

2 more maps

[night sable]

i'm waiting to push right now cause i have a massive amount of upgrades in the next 2 weeks

[zenith hare]

200k portal and 250k portal

[worn tulip]

oh wait yeah just 2

[zenith hare]

only 100 hours needed left, easily doable if you actually go do quests

[night sable]

how tf do you not have multikill with those talents

[zenith hare]

can do that today actually!

[night sable]

what level is your dk

[knotty solstice]

I'm procrastinating on getting bubo because I think it'll just be easier to get him once I'm in w5

[zenith hare]

if you can be bothered to do shit ofc

[zenith hare]

wrong

[cold wraith]

so youre refusing to push w4 in order to wait 2 weeks to push a little bit faster?

[night sable]

you need bubo first for lab

[zenith hare]

bubo skills is AMAZING for lab

[cold wraith]

just get everyone elite

[worn tulip]

cuz my alch is dogshit i think?

idk its kinda subjective ig

[zenith hare]

only one you "can" skip is sb

[night sable]

dogshit alch is fine whats your class level

[cold wraith]

faster you get to w5 the better cus you have doot alr

[zenith hare]

as he does literally jack shit till w5

[worn tulip]

for context...

[worn tulip]

143

[night sable]

your alch is even with mine and you have 30 class levels on me

why are we equal damage and pushing power

[worn tulip]

dunno bro

[zenith hare]

thats actually really good alch

[cold wraith]

better than mine

[low arrow]

I have all on lab while pushing with bubo boosting low lab lvls and line

[worn tulip]

people told me it sucks :)

[cold wraith]

also why are you w3 now bean

[zenith hare]

almost like damage doesnt mean better kph past a point

[night sable]

acc i think your alch is a little better i have less bubbles

[zenith hare]

compared to them

[night sable]

thats why i also said pushing power

[worn tulip]

anyways what should i spend my "fortune" on in le vault?

[zenith hare]

your alch sucks!!!! looks mines far better!!

thats them.

[worn tulip]

HOLY SHIT

5200 GRIND TIME???

[zenith hare]

mines really low

[worn tulip]

man im dead

[zenith hare]

others have far higher

its what active bubo does later on

[knotty solstice]

To be fair, I don't intend on getting this sorted until I actually need to, and my lab feels decent, but that's what I said about my alch until I started having acc problems. I'm no expert when it comes to lab shenanagains, but this is probably at least decent

[cold wraith]

heh

[zenith hare]

its more bubo forces ur lowest lab char (ur pusher) to still gain lab xp

[night sable]

your lab is pretty good for w4 yeah

[worn tulip]

man i sure cant wait to have funny collider hahahaha

oh ik whats wrong with me

all of my w3 is completely fucked

[night sable]

there ya go

[worn tulip]

i only have cost cruncher and i barely did any worship + i only have 4 shrines

[low arrow]

That lab is better than mine ngl

[fossil hatch]

Damn bro, your definitely so good at the game

[night sable]

that lab is almost even with mine and i have bear

i'd say it's good

[fossil hatch]

10k gt soon tho! Class exp is starting to get so easy tho…

[worn tulip]

i could almost do this if i tried very hard

[knotty solstice]

Lab is w4 alch

[cold wraith]

i alr started so im going to finish it

[worn tulip]

what does the 7th bonus even do?

[fossil hatch]

Fair enough

[knotty solstice]

Do not neglect it or we will send the opposite of griffys fanbase after you

[fossil hatch]

I started on my alt account, hitting 7K. It would prolly take like, 3 days or so to hit 10k gt

So I might also follow through with the 10k gt mark

[cold wraith]

i wouldve gotten it by now but i just have a ton of desync cus i use this laptop for school as well

[fossil hatch]

I feel that

[worn tulip]

well time to spend like

ALL of my time candy

[worn tulip]

and after i have a cozy sleep i should be at troll 😁

oh shit clammy kph is really high

[cold wraith]

do i max this

[zenith hare]

yes

in what world would you not?

[cold wraith]

i heard people wish they didnt cus sparkie doesnt blow up

[night sable]

w3 w4 questions hmmmm

[zenith hare]

and those people are end gamers

[worn tulip]

do pearler shells do anything cool

[cold wraith]

ah ok

[zenith hare]

who dont think about earlier on

[fierce jewel]

Did anyone max their plates yet?

Everything on 110?

[zenith hare]

used for every tab 4 starfire tool, some troll armour, and some other things

[cold wraith]

rip i think i couldve done better on rounds with all that dodge

[worn tulip]

wow.

[zenith hare]

someone prolly has via gwatches

[zenith hare]

oh also you need 110k of em for gold food crafting

[worn tulip]

oh nvm

7 isnt that important then ig

[zenith hare]

yeah each tool is 4 per

troll armour is 25 iirc

and you want a full set on every char

[cold wraith]

oh yeaa

[zenith hare]

11 when

[cold wraith]

thats going to take forever

why 11 specifically

[zenith hare]

cause thats the one im at

[cold wraith]

💀

[worn tulip]

threadripper rift ripper1!!1!1!1

[cold wraith]

yea no maybe 10 in a few weeks

[worn tulip]

omg i cna go into da rift!1!1!1!!1!1!1!

[cold wraith]

i think after i get dragon statue onyx im going to do rift till killroy prime

[white path]

I stopped at 12 because u need 3B kills

[cold wraith]

maybe sneaking mastery if it doesnt take too long

[worn tulip]

yayyyy

rift!1!1!1!1!

fym portal opened

dont tell me lava was lazy and made these count towards the slime portal

lmao

[mossy anvil]

is it possible later on to have lab bonuses applied without chars inside lab?

[low arrow]

That question haunt me all the time 💀

[cold wraith]

in w5 it is

[heavy terrace]

i think there is a god that makes you always connected

[night sable]

of all things to not have enough of i'm apparently low on acc for w5 pushing

[plucky frost]

@zenith hare Could you give me a recommendation of what you'd run for 8th char given the current state of the game?

Have 1 of every elite class, except DK, which I have 2.

[night sable]

even with that i'm almost 7k kph 100% surv with no food

[night sable]

jman

[low arrow]

Enchant all gear with w4 stones using the acc stat class

[plucky frost]

Really? Was told jman levels slowly, making it harder to unlock the last 2 slots

so was saving that for 10th

[night sable]

it's already enchanted with w5 ones

[low arrow]

With vault is more fast

[low arrow]

What

[night sable]

i know how to fix my problem but it'll take a week

[low arrow]

Mines is half wis and im on cap with the map im on

[night sable]

my gear is really bad

[low arrow]

With a little on the acc + , - damage

[night sable]

half amarok half dem, i get void next week

[worn tulip]

yeah no i think i cant do rift 1 lol

[low arrow]

Rift is like a mountain

[knotty solstice]

Out of mild curiosity, I'm going to get bubo just to see how much it boosts my lab

[night sable]

lmao i cant kill the w5 crystal

[worn tulip]

wait what

meme bean lied to me :(

[knotty solstice]

what do you mean?

[plucky frost]

those crystals are murdering me in W4. Have multi kill on the map, can kille verything fine. Crystal spawns and i just see Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss Miss

if i land one lucky hit, it dies

if i don't, I die.

[worn tulip]

im at the octopi rn and he said this would be the last map i have to kill shit at but its not :(

ohw ait chat i got cosmic candy from that

imagine...

[low arrow]

Get trolled -by giant troll

[knotty solstice]

Pretty sure he said that there were two more maps to go

[night sable]

i just needed cards fixed lmao

[low arrow]

Use acc cards

[night sable]

i only need one

could swap off card drop but i dont actually have anything better to use

maybe moon moon for exp

[plucky frost]

whats shelbie card do?

[night sable]

card drop

[plucky frost]

oh word. similar % to mustache?

i havent bothered farming the map yet cause the spawn rate was so low, but now that i have an ES i may have to go do that

[night sable]

20 32 36 in world order

its barely worse then moustache

[low arrow]

These can stack so the higher world thr better %

[plucky frost]

just less of them on map so harder to spawn yea?

[night sable]

idk i afk farmed them with maestro

[plucky frost]

i put off farming wood mushroom for a while for the same reason

[worn tulip]

YES

[plucky frost]

ah

[worn tulip]

I GOT 2 DAYS FROMT HE CANDY

[low arrow]

Gg

[night sable]

i feel that

[low arrow]

2 days saved

[worn tulip]

my fucking ears #2

[night sable]

when i was using cosmic for w4ing i got 189 hours off 2 of them

[worn tulip]

man

lucky u

[night sable]

wtf did my crystal despawn

didnt know they did that

[worn tulip]

can the wriggly balls stop already please

i have enough

tehy stopped just as i said that

:)

time for da last map

jellyfishies :)

[toxic coyote]

I was thinking v-man, cuz it's just free talents and better prints

sorry my internet went out last night

[plucky frost]

How does this work? Do you just throw the card on and get 5 points? And go negative if you take it off?

[knotty solstice]

Oh yeah, you have to farm for keys, not get them from an npc once you reach the final map

[worn tulip]

alr got some from mmush

:)

[toxic coyote]

im legit just doing storm + party for the time being

[white path]

its passive (always active)

[plucky frost]

oh shit. so passive cards dont need to be equipped at all?

[cold wraith]

boulder >>

[low arrow]

Passive is always on

[plucky frost]

never seen one before. cool

[cold wraith]

storm is only rly used for the crit dmg

[toxic coyote]

I only use like 3 bolders

I use it for single target damage and the range

but maybe pulse might actually be better single target

[plucky frost]

i wonder how many other cards ive had equipped that are passive

[worn tulip]

oh yeha i can filter these stupid fucking mystery stones

[plucky frost]

LOL i've had crystal custard cards equipped on everyone in the lab

[cold wraith]

nah boulder better

[toxic coyote]

what class is best to push W4, I just got BB today, and his KPH from his talent is actually pretty good, currently my BB kph is like 2.4k on purp mush, and my dk is only like 1.4k

well actually the talent is from barb not bb

[plucky frost]

i was maining BB, but once I unlocked ES i switched to him for pushing portals active

kill rate through the roof

[toxic coyote]

also my DK is like 30 levels higher than my BB

[knotty solstice]

ES works wonders

[cold wraith]

or candy thorugh with bb

[plucky frost]

he went from level 100 to 113 in the past 3 hours lmao

[toxic coyote]

is ES only best for active?

[worn tulip]

also status update: my dk is level 172 now

[plucky frost]

yea, his wormhole increases spawn rate + xp + drops by a ridiculous amount

[knotty solstice]

Mine's running an afk build and works really well

[plucky frost]

you can afk ES, you just dont ge ta benefit from his wormhole, so you can put those points elsewhere

[toxic coyote]

yeah, but doesnt that make afk ES just similar to every other class

barb being the exception cuz of his kills talent

[plucky frost]

lot of classes have kill talents

like DK

some classes just have better map clear for active play

[toxic coyote]

the DK talent is out of reach for me

[plucky frost]

like SB is pretty decent too

[toxic coyote]

so ig ES is best for active, BB is best for afk

[plucky frost]

more or less

DK also a solid active pick, he can also insta respawn full map

[toxic coyote]

ig that's only good if you can clear the map in the first place

[plucky frost]

some maps are easier than others just cause of how the platforms are laid out but yea

which is why ES is so strong. He meteors basically wipes the screen

regardless of where you are

[toxic coyote]

how much active KPH would you say you get from active ES

[true hamlet]

Slow..

[worn raptor]

how can i rotate packs?

[true hamlet]

you don't

[plucky frost]

i dont know, but higher than my AFK gain rate even at 148%

[low arrow]

They come time to time

[toxic coyote]

poisen becomes better tho

[worn raptor]

i want the n#lb thing or the dr cap idk

[mossy anvil]

dont packs reset weekly?

[worn tulip]

ohhhhhhhhh golden spool 😋

[worn raptor]

nop, my first account have nothing

[toxic coyote]

god damn, how tf are you getting +58% afk rate

[true hamlet]

play the game

[toxic coyote]

my ES is like level 95 (pretty close to yours) and my stats seem like hot garbage

[cold wraith]

do you have poison?

[toxic coyote]

no

[worn raptor]

8k without prayers?

[cold wraith]

exactly...

[plucky frost]

levels mean very little. Relative to the other account wide bonuses

[worn raptor]

i remember my 2k kills in every w4 map lmao

[worn tulip]

I GOT A SECOND GOLDEN TWINE

[toxic coyote]

that's legit me rn 😭

[true hamlet]

you can hit multikill before vault if you use ES but now with vault you could probably hit 2 or 3 tiers

[plucky frost]

ive neglected my tower defense, and none of the prayers i have are any good

[worn raptor]

well, i hit w4 in march 2024 so no vault

[worn tulip]

is troll hard?

[worn raptor]

na

[true hamlet]

I hit w4 in Dec 2024 and they were weak enough that I hit multkill tiers on ES without upgrading gear

[toxic coyote]

nah I need to go back and do skilling, my pushing stats are actual garbage

[tranquil burrow]

fireball lobber worth upgrading to go for max waves of any type? (or boulder roller)

[true hamlet]

you can ignore skilling until w6 with the vault

[toxic coyote]

also can you show your talent investments

[worn raptor]

i got ruby multi dmg w6 boss and phoenix wings, nothing, normal bar

[knotty solstice]

Vault is fun

[toxic coyote]

bro even with vault rn, im still only getting 2k

[true hamlet]

hmm weird, booked talents?

[worn raptor]

so weird

[plucky frost]

they're wrong and bad, i wouldnt follow it. I have 103 points in AFK fighting on a class I play actively lmao. I just havent bothered respeccing it since I promoted to elite class

[low arrow]

I want to see the newer vault upgrades

[toxic coyote]

clearly better than my choices

[pine fiber]

same

[low arrow]

That 1 talent reset gonnna be wild

[worn tulip]

wow

that was insanely easy

[plucky frost]

The 23 points in mana is life i kidna just dumped when I was pushing W4 portal to get ES in the first place for surviability. I shouldnt have done that

[toxic coyote]

honestly looks correct to me (I don't know much anyway)

[plucky frost]

well i can increase wisdom by over 100 points in the respec lol

[toxic coyote]

wait isnt the whole point of investing into mana for mana is life?

[worn raptor]

ye

[toxic coyote]

hm rip 23 point mana is life

[plucky frost]

if you can kill things in one shot, you wont need it until later

cause hemogoblin will keep you alive

[worn tulip]

how do i kill torll fr

[toxic coyote]

multi-kill is pretty cool

[true hamlet]

multikill is nice

[true hamlet]

there's 5 trolls I think? which

[plucky frost]

and in active play, mana is life crushes your mana bar, which makes it so you run out of mana without stacking mana pots in your food slots

Im just running this instead for now

[pine fiber]

stacking mana pots? 1 is enough

[toxic coyote]

ah ok makes sense ig

[true hamlet]

5/5 trolls just require you to hit them

[toxic coyote]

i legit need to go back to alch and get more damage

shesh

[plucky frost]

i wouldnt even need the food if crystal custards werent pushing my shit in right now lol

but id die every time one spawned if i didnt have a food stack

[toxic coyote]

damn

[true hamlet]

you're neglecting something big time, there's no reason to be stopping until w6

[plucky frost]

how is your Owl and Roo levels?

[toxic coyote]

I have no fricking clue

[plucky frost]

cause those bonuses carried me through W3 easily

[toxic coyote]

mega 4,

[plucky frost]

with no gear upgrades

[true hamlet]

not enough

[toxic coyote]

pretty bad roo tho

[worn tulip]

the massive one

[true hamlet]

mega 4 or fractal 4

[toxic coyote]

fractal 4

[cold wraith]

hooray i can level shrines another 100 times

[true hamlet]

droo gives damage and accuracy btw

roo*

[toxic coyote]

yeah I only got first fish on roo

[tranquil burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-minion-laughing-minion-popcorn-wriogifs-gif-10648794811524455015

[true hamlet]

complete a minigame and 1 tap him on ES

[toxic coyote]

no wait I got 2nd lke 5 days ago

[plucky frost]

Like my gear is not good lmao. I'm carried by account bonuses and cards

[worn tulip]

yeah no fuck that i am not pushing to troll with my es

[true hamlet]

that

[toxic coyote]

bro, I legit have dementia armor and void weapons

[plucky frost]

im still using a W1 skilling set

[tranquil burrow]

is fireball or boulder needed for any max waves? ive been upgrading everything but them basically and void

[true hamlet]

What did you use

[worn tulip]

dk

[worn raptor]

poisonic/party/frozone/void/lightning

[toxic coyote]

im actually getting ratio'ed like crazy

[worn tulip]

anyways word five!1!1!1!1!1

[tranquil burrow]

ye thats what I thought 👍 (i havent had scorpions for lightning 😭)

[true hamlet]

yay, now sit at div altar

[worn raptor]

others wizard towers lvl up for atom collider upgrade

[toxic coyote]

how much defence on your EC rn @plucky frost

[pine fiber]

redo your traps? 😭

[tranquil burrow]

true 😭

[toxic coyote]

wait I have a better idea

[tranquil burrow]

lot of my chars still have wooden traps i just havent gotten to upgrading them

[vital spruce]

how many colo tickets can you get a day?

[worn raptor]

{

[toxic coyote]

@plucky frost send me your idleon toolbox and I can find things myself

[worn raptor]

3

[toxic coyote]

BRO I HAVE 1.2k DEFENCE AND IM STILL <100% SURVIVAL

[vital spruce]

wow

[tranquil burrow]

ye i knew something like this existed forgot about it 😭

[plucky frost]

no shot thats true with food

Are you running no food?

cause if i take my food stack off my survivability plummets

[worn raptor]

ekis de

[true hamlet]

are you running no hemo?

[toxic coyote]

I am, but it gets drained every hour

[plucky frost]

yea you need hemo

[toxic coyote]

lvl 30 hemo, ig I gotta grind that out

[true hamlet]

you're kidding..

[indigo stratus]

whats the ideal defense i should get for w3 and accuracy? i opened the portal like an hour ago

[plucky frost]

and hemo desnt really get reflected properly in active vs afk

if you're active with hemo and you can kill stuff with one hit you'll never die

[true hamlet]

don't worry too much about defense. if you need accuracy, do roo

[plucky frost]

unless a crystal maybe

but if you go afk with it, youll get severely reduced gains

[toxic coyote]

I invested into everything else in merit except hemo and the lowest lvl class xp thing

[indigo stratus]

alright, thanks!

[plucky frost]

my hemo is only level 35

[toxic coyote]

BRO

[plucky frost]

the problem is you're going afk with it

[true hamlet]

what are you 2 doing..

[toxic coyote]

LOL

[true hamlet]

hemo is fine afk

[pine fiber]

😂

[plucky frost]

nah, i ran out of food when i was in world 3 and came back to a massive loss in gains

but if i stay active for the full 8 hours i dont even need food

[toxic coyote]

please send your tool box

[toxic coyote]

I would active, but no autoloot

[true hamlet]

oh right, no auto arm

[toxic coyote]

also im getting 7th char, should do v-man?

[plucky frost]

auto arm?

[true hamlet]

whatever, if you're starting skilling

[toxic coyote]

automation arm

[true hamlet]

yeah, food refiler

refiller*

[plucky frost]

oh is that a w5 thing?

[toxic coyote]

auto refill food from storage

[true hamlet]

w3 construction

[toxic coyote]

w3 construction

[plucky frost]

oh

yea need some time on that i guess. top row?

[toxic coyote]

2nd last, top row

I think, unless there's something after atom

[plucky frost]

yea going to be a minute, just got my 2nd DK 2 days ago lol

[toxic coyote]

[toxic coyote]

please send tool box

[true hamlet]

send IT/IE

I'm genuinely interested

[plucky frost]

i dont know what that is

[toxic coyote]

https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=SecretDevOfPlan

im frigging cooked

[toxic coyote]

cool website to see all ur account stuff

[true hamlet]

can you buy some anvil points

...

[toxic coyote]

uh, I would need to print which my prints are garbage

like I think 68 bullhorn

[waxen copper]

how hard are these equinoxies

[true hamlet]

you have ES yet?

[toxic coyote]

got it like today

and my BB and siege

[true hamlet]

great, get started, just on w1

[true hamlet]

hard

[toxic coyote]

W1 afk or prints

[true hamlet]

active ES, use wormhole

[waxen copper]

like i js beat the level 500 equinox. ii have 30 ruby cards and like 94 gs

[toxic coyote]

hm

[true hamlet]

you can easily get thousands per minute starting off

[waxen copper]

the gmush aint happening anytime soon tho...\

[true hamlet]

xD

[toxic coyote]

wait so anvil points for production for alch and stamps?

[true hamlet]

generally yeah

[wraith creek]

do hydron star signs becomes infinity eventually?

[toxic coyote]

wait but shouldn't I be lab jailing rn

[true hamlet]

all, even seraph

[wraith creek]

sweet, thank you

[true hamlet]

you can take 1 guy out right? I mean it's not like you intended on pushing

[toxic coyote]

I think I'm at a point where I can take 2 while maintaining no bubble left behide

[true hamlet]

ignore what I just said, hard farm gmush for spore caps on ES

[toxic coyote]

why

[true hamlet]

You need the spore caps for your alchemy 2nd bubble of 1st 3 cauldrons

[maiden bloom]

ohhhhh, thats why ppl say to farm gmush lmao

[true hamlet]

no..

[maiden bloom]

dam

[toxic coyote]

is that the bubble that gives buffs to all the smaller bubbles

[true hamlet]

yeah, get started with that until they cost thousands per level then move to other bubbles

[toxic coyote]

hm, okay that's fair ig, I can prob do that rn

[maiden bloom]

i think is this why im strugglign in w6 💀

[true hamlet]

huh

[maiden bloom]

i didn't focus alchemy much andmy bubbles r kinda low

[toxic coyote]

how did you get past W5 😭

[maiden bloom]

but by using luck, skill, and timcandy

[toxic coyote]

low alch is not skill

its skill issue (imo)

[true hamlet]

have you been doing killroy?

[maiden bloom]

halfway druing w5, when i rlly got dmg locked, i started pushign with es, and farmed up gear and some of alchemy

[maiden bloom]

yea 😔

[toxic coyote]

yes, I think I have 150 skulls, idk what to do with them

wait no I have 32 skulls 💀

[maiden bloom]

checkouts, refinery, candy, holy pearls ig

[true hamlet]

ah ok, as long as you're doing them.. if you want gems you could technically buy pachinko balls

[shadow lark]

Unused skulls disappear every week

[toxic coyote]

if I had money I would buy auto loot first

[toxic coyote]

OH💀

I never spent any of mine . . .

[true hamlet]

yeah..

[toxic coyote]

GSIDioshfhasdf

[maiden bloom]

i had this mentality of "saving up my skullls" for a month straight, and i didn't realize that they reset weekly...

[toxic coyote]

ok I have 32 skulls what do I buy fr

[maiden bloom]

i thought the game was gaslighting me

[shadow lark]

Library checkouts or refinery cycles

[maiden bloom]

or i was tweakign

[true hamlet]

oh my...... what is this refinery

[shadow lark]

Everybody says alchemy is the most important skill

[toxic coyote]

waiting for red salt rank up

[shadow lark]

But actually it’s reading

[glad tangle]

this damage good for w3?

[toxic coyote]

my orange is too high

[maiden bloom]

idk go to w3 map 1 and find out how u do

[true hamlet]

put your orange and blue on auto refine, or you'll get locked so hard

[toxic coyote]

kk

[glad tangle]

how much hp w3 boss

[toxic coyote]

10% right?

[pine fiber]

check wiki ^^

[maiden bloom]

20 milli, so not nearly enough

[glad tangle]

thankss

[maiden bloom]

acc wait i could be wrong about not being nearly enough

ur accuracy is 500 off of being 100% hit chance

[true hamlet]

you aren't using all your building slots? hard level boulder roller and unlock kraken

[toxic coyote]

bruh I did 32 cycles of refinery and I swear it barely did a dent

[maiden bloom]

low power/cycle?

also dont spam all at once

[true hamlet]

and btw, your worship charge is full on most of your charss

[toxic coyote]

my construction is cooked, therefore my td is even more cooked

so spending charge atp seems redundant other than worship levels that I can prob get easily after good td

[maiden bloom]

dw, same, i just started focusing construction after realizing that guides say to focus xp first and not buildrate

[true hamlet]

stop levlling deathnote. next salt lick is max book level if you want, then start hard leveling your td tower levels

[toxic coyote]

at least im focusing xp that's the only decent thing going for me rn

[maiden bloom]

and after i went through the hell of crafting grey gatsby bc i couldn't grind out 5k souls bc of my low lvl, so i had to grind out w5 collo

[burnt vortex]

how do i know if my shiny pet bonuses are leveling up

[toxic coyote]

already feeling the salt lock 💀

[true hamlet]

you know what's worse, getting salt locked AND soul locked at the same time

[toxic coyote]

im not really soul locked I'd say

[true hamlet]

save yourself, you can level this enough to do frosty firefight

[worn tulip]

wow i knew w5 chat was gonna be dead but not this much

[true hamlet]

you're about to be, you need frigid souls which is the largest soul lock by far

[indigo stratus]

W3-4 chat is where it's at

[toxic coyote]

yeah

[worn tulip]

anyways how does divinity work

[toxic coyote]

im wave 40 dune soul, frigid about to be crazy

[indigo stratus]

Afk and you get gains

[toxic coyote]

im gunna need an iron ore print too ig

[tranquil burrow]

midas minded good for crystal farming?

[indigo stratus]

Yep

[true hamlet]

easier to hit w50 acorn than w1 frosty

w10 frosty*

[tranquil burrow]

do i throw balance of pain on too 🧌

[toxic coyote]

damn

[maiden bloom]

man sit on pedestal, man get divinity points and xp, man unlocks new styles, man gambles for gods, man gets sad bc didn't get god

[indigo stratus]

Always

[toxic coyote]

im wave 42 rooted

wait how does auto use ability work? do I need my ES wormhole on the same hotbar in order to use it?

[naive cedar]

Ribbons worth it?

[toxic coyote]

also my carry cap is cooked for afk green mush, I just did it for like 1 min, and 1/12 of my inventory was full

[toxic coyote]

yes, very worth, dish % bonuses

[night sable]

what tome rank should i be at before i care about getting the other pages

[true hamlet]

- Upgrade Stamps
- Upgrade 2nd alchemy bubble for 1st 3 cauldrons
- Do Fisheroo (Free Damage and Accuracy gains, speeds up around mf5)
- Look at w3-w4 pins for refinery guide
- Start levelling TD Towers
- Consider next salt lick upgrade for higher max talent levels
- For merits, max Hemoglobin (w1), max talent level (w3), printer output (w3)

[shadow lark]

Sit everybody on divinity until lvl 2,then back to lab since you have doot

[toxic coyote]

damn tysm, I'm not gunna get 7k kph but it's a start

[true hamlet]

idk why you dumped all your frostbite tundra points into respawn before putting a single level into max talent level

[toxic coyote]

I got desperate to get out of W3

[night sable]

just get 7k kph

[true hamlet]

roo is your biggest one rn, damage and accuracy gains will be high

[night sable]

its very fast

[toxic coyote]

cuz I heard elite classes are a huge jump, so I figured it was worth

[night sable]

you gotta be able to kill stuff in w4 for elites

[true hamlet]

not if your max talent level is 125 or something

[night sable]

or wait a week per class or spam candy

[true hamlet]

I'd even say you're not ready to do lab

[toxic coyote]

I got the first 3 areas (up to elite class) in like 5 hours

[toxic coyote]

[night sable]

well yeah it took me like an hour to get them when i bothered to

[toxic coyote]

hold on ima go eat, gunna afk green mush, brb

[true hamlet]

you could consider fixing your prints since they'll get 2x output in lab

you're going to be there for a long time so make it worthwhile

[night sable]

you should fix your prints anyway

i should fix my prints actually that reminds me

[toxic coyote]

yeah, but I kept contemplating what to print

[night sable]

i so badly need a wispy log and icicle fly print

[toxic coyote]

do I print for alch or salts

[maiden bloom]

i do both

[toxic coyote]

or even stamps

[night sable]

salts is one

stamps and alch you probably dont worry about yet

maybe greenstack your copper and wood for the talent

[toxic coyote]

stamps

[true hamlet]

mining - dk
choppin - es, bubo
fishing - bb
catching - sb
monster mats - bm

Redo your prints since you unlocked elite classes

[toxic coyote]

speaking of which

[true hamlet]

you have a stamp that takes less than 500 spore caps to level up

[untold geyser]

I don't believe these numbers on the card

1 in 40 for the mutton statue and I've killed 400+ without one dropping

[toxic coyote]

im kinda hard locked from bubo and bm

my shamen and hunter both have struggling KPH to a point where it's not even worth pushing for elite

[true hamlet]

yeah do roo first

[toxic coyote]

hold on brb ima eat

[fallen crescent]

yay im orange

[night sable]

why did i not have this printing before wtf

when did i get 370k eff for chopping

[true hamlet]

vault?

[night sable]

i'm so low levelled that cubed logs takes 4 chops to level me

but i also already print 2k for it

[tranquil burrow]

thats meta just pop a time candy free lot of levels

[night sable]

oh true let me grab a 4h

[tranquil burrow]

im going back on all my low level characters getting to like max w5 material and popping candies for a lot of levels

[night sable]

almost +20 levels

pretty solid

surely i can reprint my bugs and it wont be awful

[worn tulip]

how fun

[night sable]

SURELY i can reprint bugs and it wont be awful

[latent bramble]

or will you be hit with the

[night sable]

it turns out i forgot to swap talents

hmmmmm

[true hamlet]

I mean... that's not completely awful considering I last resampled during mining ballot bonus

[night sable]

i think i need to resample spore caps and gigafrogs

man

[true hamlet]

takes no time at all with multikill

[night sable]

yeah slimes took literally 2 seconds active to open

[true hamlet]

Need to extend the horizon again

but my sneaking is ass so oh well

[heavy terrace]

what does lab efficiency do

[true hamlet]

potentially more lab xp

[worn raptor]

more xp and range?

[night sable]

makes your lab effecient

[zenith hare]

just more xp

[heavy terrace]

oh okay

i got 2 lab rings from the elite classes grind

[zenith hare]

throw em on bubo

[night sable]

youll get more from genie card grind dw

[zenith hare]

as he shares xp to lowest lab

[heavy terrace]

ight

[night sable]

i personally have 2 entire lab rings as well

but im also far off finishing my card grind

[pine fiber]

if you just got your elite classes, you dont really wanna worry about your cards, especially not genie

[night sable]

hard agree

[heavy terrace]

when do i start farming cards tho

w5?

[night sable]

you can probably do some while in div jail

[pine fiber]

w6 imo

[zenith hare]

acc cards, when you get es and when you need acc

[night sable]

get card drop cards too

[pine fiber]

you could do it in w5 too, depends

[night sable]

theyre pretty fast to farm

[zenith hare]

then for crystal and Dr cards, mid-late w5

[true hamlet]

I doubt you need accuracy cards now

[zenith hare]

maybe even w6 depends

[night sable]

i did my card drop as soon as i was out of lab jail on mman

and im doing crystal spawn and dr now in w5

[zenith hare]

after you do cards, you do obols

[pine fiber]

if you can get your ES geared, you could start your pop obols

[heavy terrace]

how much acc do i need for w4

[night sable]

i think i'm 17k right now

so a bit less then that

[true hamlet]

around 25k towards the end

[pine fiber]

Bean, I just logged on my bm for traps and stuff, leek spirits are halfway done the afk kph is crazy good on bm

[true hamlet]

kpk bubble is boosting kph right?

I mean archers get multi too

[pine fiber]

it should yeah

[true hamlet]

correction 17k yeah

[heavy terrace]

im sitting at 13.5k and ive got 8 maps left

[night sable]

true that is what i said

[zenith hare]

16k

16.2 iirc

[true hamlet]

16.5 is rounded to 17, technically stilted seekers are part of w4

[pine fiber]

25k~ with DK

[zenith hare]

in computing, you always round down

unless specified otherwise

[true hamlet]

that's just because they drop the decimals?

[zenith hare]

yup

[old zealot]

What's the point of the eagle eye skill once you unlock trapper drone and vacuum box?

[pine fiber]

math.floor slapped on everything

[true hamlet]

that's not rounding, that's just truncating

[zenith hare]

the fact that trapper drone scales with eagal eye

[zenith hare]

which is a form of rounding

[true hamlet]

fair enough...

[old zealot]

Ohh didn't know, thx

[turbid stag]

have you tripped and lost your sample?

[latent bramble]

[night sable]

i agree

[indigo stratus]

yo im trying to get my acc back on track, equipping gold tools to every specialized class and amarok armor + the helmet at least, while doing that im checking salt and construction and when im doine with the tools and armors ill focus on stuff with global buffs like alchemy, is that a good strat?

[burnt vortex]

lets go chowed every mob w1-w5

not doing w6 cuz lazy lol

[turbid stag]

new alt?

[latent bramble]

old, saved picture though

[bronze moth]

divinity jail is hell

[night sable]

not really

i already have nobi a week in

[rugged kiln]

1 bloach per hour gotta be a new record

[bronze moth]

I just started I only have snehebatu so far

[night sable]

if youre lucky it's fast lmao

all i can say about it

[bronze moth]

i'm bout to crash out rnnnnn

[turbid stag]

digging through some old saved images?

[night sable]

yeah i hit bear off a 25

[bronze moth]

just did one small offering (5%) and i didn't get it

yeah imma try doing 25 this time

[night sable]

youre supposed to wait until 100% but if youre like me you will hit on 25% every time

[bronze moth]

i'll get 90 div pts in 7 hours 😭

[night sable]

thats not a long time

[bronze moth]

yeah once I get nobisect i'm gonna start pushing

[night sable]

i was gonna push after i got void but

[bronze moth]

i have deathbloom pendant from autoloot pack (gems)

[night sable]

boooooo

i was gonna push when i got void but i already ahve it cooking

[bronze moth]

yeah after the divinity jail is done mman needs to do some catching up

[night sable]

no sense waiting an extra week

i'm like a week or two off all the materials and i need to candy a little bit on neyeptune for black lenses

nuh uh you should gamble

its more fun

[bronze moth]

100 would take too long with my current div pt gain

[dusty apex]

if we are done asking w3-4 questions lets move the chat onto gen chat now

[bronze moth]

oop yeah sorry

[night sable]

i almost reflexively said cry about it lmao

sure thing

[toxic coyote]

ok I am back

[untold geyser]

Is there something special about crystal mob spawns, I have a lot of things that should be causing them to spawn and yet haven't seen any 😮

And yes,I'm active

[true hamlet]

Base 1 in 2k so a little rare

[toxic coyote]

after first 3 second bubbles should I focus skilling bubbles for better prints?

[dusty apex]

you can use idleon toolbox to see your crystal spawn chance

[untold geyser]

+35% from cards, 55% from stamps and 116% from talents so, should be better than that

[toxic coyote]

shesh

[untold geyser]

No, sadly I can't because I'm using steam unless something changed

[zenith hare]

what class are you?

[untold geyser]

Blood Berseker

[zenith hare]

dont use BB for crystal farming...

[night sable]

use anyone else lmao

[untold geyser]

Its about all I've got at the moent cause I haven't finished the M quest line

Eh?

[zenith hare]

both dk and es are vastly better

[untold geyser]

Don't have either yet

[zenith hare]

also why do you want crystals?

[toxic coyote]

too early for crystals

[night sable]

if you dont have elite classes youre too early to care about crystals

[untold geyser]

Specifically trying to get a drop

[zenith hare]

crystal farming normall begins ab late w5 time btw

[toxic coyote]

which

[zenith hare]

which one?

[night sable]

true

setup can start like early-mid w5

[toxic coyote]

speak of the devil

[untold geyser]

Bag and/or storage chest from w2

[toxic coyote]

I found a crystal rn

[zenith hare]

afk would be easier to do it on bb

[toxic coyote]

shouldn't be too hard with good DR

[zenith hare]

you get far more kills on bb then any other class afk

[night sable]

is farming gigafrogs for crystal carrot cards and pop obols a good play

[untold geyser]

Umm... how is that suppose to work given that you don't get crystals afk?

[night sable]

and if it is, when is it a good play

[zenith hare]

only with es

[zenith hare]

because crystals only steals the drop tables of other mobs

[night sable]

i can manage that after div jail

[zenith hare]

there is only 1 table that isnt stolen, and thats statues only

[untold geyser]

Oh, that's true, it is also on the potato's table which is why I'm farming them

[night sable]

just afk it with bb idk

[untold geyser]

Speaking of crystal mobs, one just died 😄

[toxic coyote]

wdym, rare drops can drop in afk

[zenith hare]

afk at potato, and push to elites on ur other classes

[night sable]

crystals arent a drop

theyre a spawn that doesnt get triggered when afk, same with giants

[zenith hare]

!crystal

[candid scarab]

The Crystal Monsters are rare mini-boss spawns that have a 1 in 2,000 chance to spawn whenever you actively kill an enemy. It has 15x HP, 30x Exp, 2.5x accuracy required, and does 2.5x more damage than monsters in your current area.

[untold geyser]

I had orginally thought that crystal mobs would be more common with the buffs to spawn that I recently got but, if anything they seem to be rarer than they were when I was starting off

[zenith hare]

nah ur spawn chance is closer to 1/500 rn

[untold geyser]

And yea, I should afk at potato again and try to get someone else to the w4 class change

[zenith hare]

add on the fact bb has 0 respawn talents

dk, as an example, respawns all mobs when all mobs on screen are dead

[untold geyser]

Isn'tthere a point where you can effectively afk long enough that you get everything on the table?

[zenith hare]

yes, thats how drop gauruntees work

[untold geyser]

Between this storage chest and the frisbee I'm pulling what's left of my hair out

[toxic coyote]

wormhole enemies get bigger, what do they do?

[night sable]

they get more hp

[zenith hare]

stronger

[toxic coyote]

honestly dont even worry about them rn, just do construction for chest space

so only stronger, no upsides for me?

[true hamlet]

Read wormhole talent again

[zenith hare]

each portal mob also scales in dr and xp dropped

[untold geyser]

My construction speed has slowed way down for that so, figured I'd try to get the other one out of the way

I managed to get the one from the tv's at least 😄

[zenith hare]

per wormhole mob killed, you get more drops from wormhole mobs, but they also get stronger

[toxic coyote]

oh bruh, mb I completely frogot

[untold geyser]

Should I be pushing on the BB or someone else?

[toxic coyote]

I manage to pretty much whole everything from world 4 while doing construct xp

[untold geyser]

I feel like I'm going to have to convert that characgter to afk at this rate

[toxic coyote]

BB best for afk, ES best for active, active better than afk

[robust marsh]

Bigger wormhole monster can count for giant mobs(with no drop boost) I know cus I completed the w3 boss key quest with it

[zenith hare]

pushing on BB is great if you afk

[untold geyser]

The construction/refinery system have been kind of half forgotten for me, I have a rough time remembering to keep up with the refinery and building is super slow

[zenith hare]

thats what the printer is for

you can forget ab refinery due to it

[untold geyser]

Let me try wording that another way, who should I be actively playing?

[toxic coyote]

ES

[untold geyser]

Hey, another crystal, maybe I just needed to say something