midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[fallen crescent]

what would you say is decent dr to be doing gfood farming? my dk has like 30x ish

[chilly spear]

the only skills that really matter rn are smithing, construction, worship, and alchemy for those and my maestro is only higher than my 8th which i made yesterday

[obtuse whale]

idk how much dr is needed but if you think u are getting a lot it would be good to consider doing it

[chilly spear]

at minimum i invested 1 point into it for now, because with rift slug and ES i get 30 free points when i upgrade which is fun

[true hamlet]

😮

[magic haven]

Can trapper drone only place cardboard boxes?

[fallen crescent]

it can place every box upto the one you have equipped on said character

[maiden valley]

@rapid girder boo

[true hamlet]

Time to get everyone to level 250 for equinox

xp go brr

[royal nexus]

can you 3d print salts?

[chilly spear]

so its even less useful than i thought, damn

[fallen crescent]

no

[fallen crescent]

yummmmyyyy!!

[chilly spear]

still good but not worth it for me currently

[fallen crescent]

its actually incredible, once you unlock vman the bonus counts for himself aswell. even if it doesnt seem like much, ALWAYS keep maestro/vman above the others

[true hamlet]

Consider doing it if your other characters are in lab jail, levelling my vman allowed me to double my prints in 2 days

and if you feel like you may be losing out on progress because he's busy skilling, don't worry about it

[chilly spear]

oh hes higher than everyone else outside of two outliers, barb fishing and shaman lab, but im not skilling on anyone at all currently nor will i for the next few days

im trying to rush character 9 rn so i dont have to worry about it

[true hamlet]

Have you unlocked the equinox fishing node?

[fallen crescent]

lab doesnt matter, consider doing fishing as fast as you can, i promise you its worth it

[true hamlet]

it helps with his damage too

[fallen crescent]

its all he does for like 90% of the time anyway

[chilly spear]

im neglecting equinox stupidly currently because i dont want to active there and i dont have the ability to greenstack a ton currently

[chilly spear]

hes only a level lower, didnt expect skelefish to be 11x more exp than small fish

fishings stupid easy for me to level since i got a lucky 4* caulifish from a pack and 5*ified it

[true hamlet]

Right, unlock the equinox when you can get there in a reasonable amount of time. You can have 5 dreams at once so you will actually be able to access the "Get all chars to lvl 100" dream which upon completing will help you open up equinox skilling nodes

The equinox fishing node can skyrocket your fishing xp

even just afking for 20 mins can get you to around lvl 40-50

as in active afk

[chilly spear]

ill active there later while im at work then, didnt expect how obscene it is

its remote too so i can fix it when its slow

[true hamlet]

alright, as long as you know what you're doing

[gilded flare]

what do people mean when they talk about a 9999 second timer in td?

[chilly spear]

oh i dont, thats why im asking stuff here

[true hamlet]

I think there's a time limit for waves

[gilded flare]

even boss ones?

[true hamlet]

ye

[true hamlet]

well, you can consider putting off fishing until equinox or seasalt island

[fallen crescent]

thats good, also i love ur pfp, i just noticed it

[chilly spear]

all about shaymin these days, second favorite pokemon under corsola, and above jirachi and volcanion. all about my obscenely niche mythicals

[true hamlet]

getting lvl 250 is just going to take a while.. still haven't caught up all my characters since they started div and lab jail

[fallen crescent]

hell yeah!! couldnt agree more

i dont like how many lucklads im getting

[timid plume]

Hey I'm early world four and don't really know what to work on I'm curently trying to get everyone into dimetia gear and void weapons my bubo is portal pushing because he's my highest kills per hour but everone else is grinding gear

[stray lotus]

is there a requirement to get crab critter in salty shores?
like i don't see them

[chilly spear]

finish the turn in poison frogs/regular frogs quest at lord of the hunt

[timid plume]

My bubo is good on dmg but stiggles with acc and def

[chilly spear]

thats how you unlock the next tier of critter

[stray lotus]

oh

[chilly spear]

i got stuck there too no worries

[tranquil latch]

@robust pecan what is the best towers to just dump left over points into for defence only set ups ? i typically just leave td going and come back later. i been dumping into the cheapest stuff usually

[zenith hare]

kraken

you can never have too much kraken

[stray lotus]

ty

[tranquil latch]

lets see the math

[zenith hare]

it's not for damage, it's for the knockback

if they can't get to ur totem, you'll always win unless you run out of time on a boss wave

which is 9999 seconds

[forest portal]

hi

[vale plank]

whats the best team for pushing new spices

[tranquil latch]

the issue is always damage in set ups.

its why i asked pancake directly xD and not chat

[compact prairie]

what class should my 8th character be?

[zenith hare]

yes and no one uses damage setups unless you are pushing past a wave you can't beat within the time limit

[zenith hare]

second dk

[zenith hare]

which only happens at wave 180-190

as 190 is easier to beat then 180 for the boss wave

(2 giants on 180, lots of small on 190)

[rain scroll]

what should i use?

for getting last area spice

i also want max spice speed

[nocturne pawn]

there is a pin somewhere idk where

[rain scroll]

can i improve the speed somehow?

[brisk mantle]

better pet power

[zenith hare]

the top pin

[rain scroll]

that wont improve it too much

[quaint oak]

why is oinkin 2nd quest not registering i alrd did it?

[rain scroll]

can 4 borgers be better than a wode board?

[vestal plank]

any advice on teams for this dream

[rain scroll]

ye it barely does anything ig better to use another borger? or maybe a fleeter

another borger better i checked np ty

[tawdry fulcrum]

8th character ES, Or secert character. I see pros for both but the jumo from 750 -> 1100 levels is alot?

[true hamlet]

don't worry, every time you unlock a new world, the xp goes bonkers

I hit w6 with account level 1200 and brought it to 2650 in 1 day

[tawdry fulcrum]

i understand that

but going ES would make exp go even faster

but idk if il struggle not benefiting from secert class

[true hamlet]

I'd assume if you get ES, he'd be sitting in lab/div jail though right?

[tawdry fulcrum]

for the large amount of exp i need

[tawdry fulcrum]

no clue, I havent touched lab yet. Got w4 lastnight and got all my classes to elite class. Left them farming exp over night Just noticed i hit the new character slot

[true hamlet]

Secret class is amazing for things like boosting skill efficiency and xp, enhancing other class' attacks/skills

[tawdry fulcrum]

my assumption would be get elite classes and then get average of 120 exp on all characters. Then start worrying about lab

[true hamlet]

ah, you could probably go secret now then, you WANT to soak up lab xp for a while to reach killer brightside node

Usually once you unlock lab/divinity, it's a good time to start considering secret class

[old latch]

I cant take it anymore I swear shiny eternal lords dont exist

[true hamlet]

running full silkskin and collecting with critter nomnoms?

[old latch]

yeah for like 5days now ..I have a total of 1

[tawdry fulcrum]

tay for the recommendation

[true hamlet]

if you don't mind, do 20min claims for traps

[old latch]

yeah 4days total

on...7? chars, cant get more than 1

[true hamlet]

you've been doing 20min traps for 4 days?

[old latch]

yeah probably like 7/8hours total not 24hours obviously

just wanna make the scythe

[true hamlet]

hmm, and you've been claiming with nomnoms?

[old latch]

nom what now

[true hamlet]

numnums, same things haha

[old latch]

wtf 61%

[true hamlet]

yeah..

[old latch]

is it 1 per trap or just 1 total with eagle eye?

[true hamlet]

I think 1 total for eagle eye, not too sure

[obtuse whale]

try replacing 1 borgir with this

[true hamlet]

I just use a stack of 1 when claiming eagle eye for shinies

[old latch]

oh mines only 30% guess you have boosts for it, still better than it is now I guess

[true hamlet]

ah k, prob food effect%

[zenith hare]

that's just cause wode is useless when you have 2 borgers

[zenith hare]

same up here

[obtuse whale]

o wait wrong pic

[zenith hare]

you lose out on the 4x wode boost

if you MUST use a second borger for fight power, swap a borger for tsar and swap bunny for tyson

[obtuse whale]

should be this

[zenith hare]

wode board ONLY works when there is only 1 of each type of ability

[obtuse whale]

or just buy this

[zenith hare]

go get 1.5m fight power rly quick

you probably struggled for even the first one

[obtuse whale]

nah im good

im doing this

[final notch]

i'm confused on what i'm supposed to do here

[rain scroll]

do u know 3 borger 1 flashy > 4 borger

[zenith hare]

tldr: every cycle you eat those resources to gain power. per power you have you get a salt

[rain scroll]

try it out

[zenith hare]

do some maths.

[rain scroll]

what

[zenith hare]

it's very easy to tell that's the case

[final notch]

what

[rain scroll]

im telling asdert

[rain scroll]

telling him

[zenith hare]

10x3x1.5 or 10x4

[zenith hare]

you see the "next combustion cycle" part?

[obtuse whale]

i dont really need the last

[final notch]

i do..

[zenith hare]

that's what I mean by cycles there

per cycle you lose the resources in the chest to gain a refinery power in the salt

[final notch]

so i leave those items in the storage chest

[zenith hare]

if you let the power max out, you can "level up" the salt which allows you to generate more

at a higher cost ofc

main thing to note is this

[final notch]

huh.. alright

and how do i unlock the printer? all the slots say they're not available

[cold falcon]

I just unlocked Vman, is there a suggested talent build I can check/use for first run?

[zenith hare]

construction and the ice cream quest

[true hamlet]

rerun and void radius

[zenith hare]

the first 3 talents. put 1 into each and max out ur speed run timer

[true hamlet]

depends if you can hit the 1sts boss too

[zenith hare]

anyone in w5 can get to amarok

esp if they link to nobi

[true hamlet]

unless they don't know what they're doing

[cold falcon]

I'm w4 ;D but yh, I can kill amarok

[zenith hare]

ew vman in w4

[true hamlet]

you're what..

[zenith hare]

massive waste of time~

rushing w5 gets you an early 2x kph boost

[true hamlet]

early or not depends

[zenith hare]

with links to lab while being outside of it

[cold falcon]

haven't played for more than year, and when got back had maestro 150+

[zenith hare]

meaning w5 effectively gives you 4x kph

[chilly spear]

hard hard hard recommend, i know im late

[zenith hare]

..which is insane for the 1mill kills on all w1-3 mobs

[chilly spear]

i was doing 8 hours like a fool, then 1 hours which octupled my shiny rate, then 20 minutes which doubled that

[exotic swallow]

Also doubled rate of burnout

[final notch]

using a mining pouch will unlock it for all characters right

so.. if i got a character to craft it and then gave it to another character that's underleveled, can they use it?

[exotic swallow]

Wish there was an option to use on all chars

In 1 click

If u have enough resources

[exotic swallow]

Yes

[zenith hare]

no, but if they were to be leveled up then yes

class level wise

if they're not high enough smithing to craft it, but high enough class level. they can use it

[shy ruin]

should i candy skelefish to craft lustre bow

[zenith hare]

do you need a lustre bow?

I can tell you that both bm and sb early on is completely terrible

[final notch]

thank you

[exotic swallow]

Outside of eagleeye

[zenith hare]

that's an account wide skill basically

[shy ruin]

im just trying to speed up progression a bit, my sb is mid w5 and lvl 200

[zenith hare]

shouldn't be pushing with sb tbh, not till you want to beat nkruk with him

[shy ruin]

im just trying to get every character to the mole map

[zenith hare]

bb, es, and dk is all better, easier to setup, and push faster

[shy ruin]

i alr beat kruk

[zenith hare]

then dw ab it for now

[exotic swallow]

U can do it later

[zenith hare]

unless you are ready to kill nightmare kruk

pushing w6 on him would be better

both xp wise and also progression wise

not really

talent "guides" are never really guides to begin with

[exotic swallow]

Not IT, scoli Autoreview

[zenith hare]

as talent setups are highly dependant on account progress and that's different for everyone

so a talent guide is never truly the best, unless you can max every talent

[exotic swallow]

Db

[brisk mantle]

is there a way to check for salt deficit once the level goes pass the spreadsheet?

[zenith hare]

the best way to learn is to do trial and error and find out what's best for you

[uneven obsidian]

perfectly normal looking talent tab >.>

[zenith hare]

the fact the spread sheet has been outdated for ages

[oak lynx]

Y'all anyone willing to help summon king doot for the first time,I need an archer and a mage

[steel nymph]

Mine looks like this except my 5th and 15th is empty

[zenith hare]

depends what you need. but as an example for tab 4s. 1 into every talent, invest into main active talents, invest into kpk talent, start leveling other stat talents as needed

it follows that rough trend

[uneven obsidian]

missing portion i had intentionally left out

[zenith hare]

and ofc for skilling..you focus skilling talents instead of active talents

9 times out of 10, you're doing an alright choice is the main thing

being 100% optimal 24/7 can be very tiring

[exotic swallow]

Yels

[zenith hare]

so take the game at your own pace :3

[exotic swallow]

Yes

[lyric basalt]

Anyone know what's after Dedotated Rams in the knockout upgrade in the Upgrade Vault

[zenith hare]

tvs I think?

[exotic swallow]

Find out

[zenith hare]

game does tell you

inside the menu

[lyric basalt]

Alr I was just hoping it wasn't bloodbones

[buoyant hinge]

Hey guys how a good way to get accuracy

[zenith hare]

obols, gear, tools, cards, card sets, w1/2 clickers, dungeons, prayers, vault, star signs, talents, stamps, PO boxes for acc

was still on my clipboard~

[uneven obsidian]

vault

[zenith hare]

oh yes let me add that

[buoyant hinge]

Yep i am working on my vluat

Vault

[uneven obsidian]

vault is notw the "cheap" way to get acc and defense to help push

[exotic swallow]

Bros
Adhd on streak

[zenith hare]

honestly if anyone struggles with acc mid w4 time or higher...

with all these sources that none of us had when we first played

[exotic swallow]

Now

[zenith hare]

and yet we could do it well even back then

[buoyant hinge]

Another question how do I get a lot of money for the vault

[zenith hare]

push worlds

it's the easiest source

[buoyant hinge]

Ok thx

[exotic swallow]

Get money vault upgrades

[zenith hare]

sell unwanted mob mats

[buoyant hinge]

Ok

[uneven obsidian]

higher world means more money, push the vault money upgrades, gmush extinction for lab node bonus

[white lintel]

Back in my day, we had to pay attention to the game to play it well

[exotic swallow]

Smashedpookie

[modern timber]

Someone tips how to defeat "Smokey Lake" and later in terretory fights?

[white lintel]

Check the spreadsheet

[modern timber]

?

[zenith hare]

yes

[exotic swallow]

Chec scoli autoreview

[zenith hare]

!guide

[candid scarab]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[buoyant hinge]

Just leveled my vault to lvl 100

[zenith hare]

no one ever actually explains where to find anythin

[buoyant hinge]

Fr

[zenith hare]

it's in the pet section fyi

[exotic swallow]

Internet

Browser

[modern timber]

thx

[exotic swallow]

Yt

Discord

[white lintel]

Google

[buoyant hinge]

Reddit

[zenith hare]

this is you

[buoyant hinge]

Btw i don't have reddit

[exotic swallow]

I am ill, so fair

[zenith hare]

brain at 65% of efficiency

[exotic swallow]

So low, not even 1k

[buoyant hinge]

Damm

[exotic swallow]

Fr

[rapid osprey]

Is it worth to train the Maestro in skills so all other characters get more exp or is it better to just exp balloon them?

[zenith hare]

not xp, it's for the eff

[empty shard]

yes it's worth to have him nr1

[zenith hare]

you want everyone else to NOT level

so mman can be higher

[empty shard]

because of the right hand skill

[zenith hare]

as he over doubles ur skill eff

to everyone who is below him

[rapid osprey]

So all my guys are ~100, is it worht just putting him into afk skilling then?

[zenith hare]

class level wise or skill level wise?

also he should only be skilling, nothing else

[empty shard]

hes supposed to be highest skill level

[zenith hare]

minus for gmush kills for vman quest later on

[rapid osprey]

class level, skill wise Maestro is around 30's and 40s but is lower than the mage/archer/barbs

[buoyant hinge]

What lvl are you

[zenith hare]

and this is why printer is used for resources

cause you skip past the skill xp part

so mman can give everyone far better prints, which gives you even more mats, etc etc

[rapid osprey]

Everyones around 100-109

[steel nymph]

Finally got this done thanks to the new forge cap upgrades

[zenith hare]

iron bar when

[empty shard]

just keep in mind, for actual fighting prints, you'd like to use the Vman as well. because of the speedrun+++ multikill

[steel nymph]

Otw bro

[uneven obsidian]

godshard bar when

[buoyant hinge]

Dammmm i am 81

[ripe island]

is there a updated sampling guide includinng w6 bonuses somewhere already?

[empty shard]

don't know about any.

[latent bramble]

This is probably the closest you'll get
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1at-y9t5ohYky33nOLoSxHYeyRX-3T91paj-nTSHrB3c/edit?gid=1826222324#gid=1826222324

And this thing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14KjNtI7U34fp6O-212xRDd6EePb_YVXE17RDXH5LIQg/edit?gid=1725836885#gid=1725836885

[empty shard]

this looks lovely, thanks bud

[rapid osprey]

But how do I improve his proficiency? He feels worse than all the other classes that have specializations for it

[latent bramble]

In general all the stuff from the !skillchart commands covers nearly all the skill specific non-gear stuff

[empty shard]

this is exactly the thing, his efficiency isn't that good, so normally you go 1-2 tiers below the one you're currently going with the main guy.
so lets say, you're on godshard ore with the squire/dk - your vman will start at lustre or worse

he's just getting more exp for skills

[rapid osprey]

Gotcha, think I have a lot of catch up todo because Maestro is around 3-9 levels lower in all W1-3 skills outside of Smithing

[empty shard]

first things I did was providing him the skill sets, he can wear all of those

and the acorn topper feels good with the +skill exp but is pain to grind early on

[rapid osprey]

I have 11 wood circles and 6 of them are going into my mages T3 weapons

[empty shard]

probably the better choice for now, but just to keep in mind that it exists

[rapid osprey]

Is it worth having the skill efficiency - skill exp prayer on for him then? Or off because I want the xp

[shy ruin]

i think you would want xp on maestro and eff on everything else for the right hand

[empty shard]

it variates - if the efficiency allows you to get to e.g. the next ore, it should be worth it for the exp increase

[uneven obsidian]

the prayer will help more vman than hurt it

[rapid osprey]

I have him on butterflies atm and he has 6.4k efficiency and 20k xp/hr in full catching gear

[sleek stone]

efficiency gives more exp

more ore = more exp

[empty shard]

what level are you & how much exp is needed for a level up?

[sleek stone]

after some stack up mybe you should check on cereal exp if it gives more

[rapid osprey]

30 and 170k my SB is at lvl 38 or so

[rapid osprey]

Just checked and its same xp with 300 less bugs

[empty shard]

ignore this

[nocturne pawn]

if youre looking for catching exp check ur 100% catching rate and the next tier above it and compare exp gains

[frosty plume]

have the counters for kills til portal been removed from the top left or something?

[empty shard]

you mean in vmans speedrun?

[frosty plume]

who what

[rapid osprey]

Butterflies vs Cereal is same xp but less bugs so I stuck with butterflies for now

[frosty plume]

im early w3 and the counters that were there in w1/2 arent there today, idk if they have been turned off or something

[empty shard]

this seems to be some kind of new feature, could be that it hasnt been implemented in w3 buf you can see it above the portals at any time

[frosty plume]

ah, thats a shame

it was convenient being able to pop into idle characters and just see whats needed without needing to walk over xD

[rapid girder]

Ah

[nocturne pawn]

then thats your answer

[limpid maple]

With king doot, one character always randomly disconnected from mainframe completely, why?

[velvet anchor]

Does anyone have that picture with all the different ranks needed so you don’t salt lock yourself in refinery

[fallen crescent]

use this

the other image is not entirely accurate and slows down progress significantly, this works a lot better

and its a lot more straight forward

[latent bramble]

https://imgur.com/AKe8Jux

[fallen crescent]

it only requires a little bit of math considering page two cycles are 4 times slower iirc

[velvet anchor]

Yea but how am i supposed to know when to stop tanking without going over?

[zenith hare]

with ur eyes

[velvet anchor]

How much more salt is required each rank

[latent bramble]

if you want super simple just keep higher position salts at 2x the ones below them

[zenith hare]

you can figure it out from there

[latent bramble]

i think actual ratio is like 1.8x, but 2x gives you plenty of breathing room (and is easier to remember)

green can also be 2x blue

[zenith hare]

as its 4x slower

[pine fiber]

I'm probably asking a very obvious question, but let's say my blue is 4, green can be 8 ace?

[signal bane]

Hey guys, anvil production pipeline working?

[velvet anchor]

It’s linear not exponential?

[shadow lark]

Once a day

[granite shore]

is this worth the time?

[pine fiber]

you might as well greenstack it first

I wish I had

[latent bramble]

yeah, have fun with your 120k td runs or whatever

[pine fiber]

yeah

[signal bane]

sadness

[pine fiber]

also ace, another question regarding w6 but since you are here, do you know/think if there is a guide that covers the first 30-50 or so waves for w6 TD?

I cant really go off the guide that covers wave170/190

[latent bramble]

for that low just do whatever

[limpid maple]

uh, I mean, what my problem with it is, it randomly just decides to remove him from mainframe, at times its just fine it randomly happens, a real pain

[latent bramble]

the 170 setup should work

[fallen crescent]

i got to wave 140 with just the top half of the picture (not even the full setup) start with the one poison, void on the bottom and do the krakens/freeze in the order given from right to left

[pine fiber]

ah alright, thanks

[pine fiber]

gotcha, thanks guys

[fallen crescent]

my towers were lvl 70 ish with fully upgraded slow roast, eitherway youll be fine

[latent bramble]

is that character who is being disconnected level 2 div?

[zenith hare]

it slightly goes up later on but not by much

[pine fiber]

I dont have slow roast yet and my towers are 40+ but definitely below 50

[limpid maple]

past that, its an elemental sorcerer

[fallen crescent]

ah, youll definitely be fine till wave 60 i think

[pine fiber]

ah cool, just wanna boost MSA a bit

[teal jewel]

In the refinery. Is there a number I'm aiming for in full cycles before I leave it on 10%

[latent bramble]

Dunno then, haven't seen anyone else have issues with it recently
Could throw it in #bug-reports-🐛

[limpid maple]

i was just gonna work around it by divinity pearling everyone to level 50 icl

[willow sierra]

Regarding pets, should I be dumping all my samples on the last unlocked pet to help try and unlock the next pet? Or what should I spend the DNA samples on (new to W4)

[pine fiber]

always the furthest available pet to help unlock new ones

[tawdry fulcrum]

#bot-commands

[vivid kite]

Just to double check- The character you're currently on. Are they level 2? Or just more simply.. is every character in your account level 2+ in Divinity

[random sonnet]

i randomly get characters disconnect in lab with doot (only missing the last god for unlocks), clicking the unload player button reduces the risk of it happening from my experience

[vivid kite]

I'd just setup your characters as if you didn't have Doot- Link your ES to Purrmep and use Polytheism to link to Arctis. Link the other 9 characters to Arctis. You shouldn't have any individual characters ever show as disconnected from lab like that

[limpid maple]

they're all over level 2, the only account affected ever is my elemental

[random sonnet]

i'm pretty sure i had similar happen without Doot too, they were linked to Arctis; fix was to load/unload character in lab and it'd be fine

[vivid kite]

Interesting. I've never had a problem with the character showing like that.

I do see the issue with the range not calculating correctly on first load and it disconnecting some nodes. That was mostly fixed after we got doot-lite in the Caverns though I still see it after fully closing the game

[random sonnet]

yeah, sometimes range gets wonky (after uploading a character) and scrolling the lab reconnects everything

[fallen crescent]

i hate having neglected things, i barely have inventory space for every character and now i gotta do hella questlines for this

is it worth gstacking these things

[random sonnet]

depends if you like damage, and equinox clouds

[fallen crescent]

[vivid kite]

Those are decently easy to gstack if you have the quest still available on your EleSorc

[fallen crescent]

i hope my 2nd es still has it then, cause i am NOT doing it on my sb

[vivid kite]

iirc in w5 when I farmed mine, the fastest was ~24hr, then the middle was ~36hr, and the lowest drop rate of those three was ~48hr active with ES. That was also with only ~20x DR and world 5 damage. You can wait now for higher DR, higher damage and complete them faster

The whole concept of gstacking quest items was because reaching 200 gstacks back in w5 without them was kinda tough. Now in w6, they're not strictly required but they still invoke FOMO

[fallen crescent]

yeaaah thats true, i guess ill do it, i have near 30x dr and more than enough damage, so ill be fine probably

[broken stream]

anyone is having problems to kill troll? my game keeps crashing.
Edit: just see in bug reports, bubo using gloves is freezing, sadly!

[faint matrix]

How long will It take me to get 20000 power statues

[uneven obsidian]

will vary based on how smoll your dr is

[faint matrix]

9x

How long will it take

Cuz getting 20k for onyx seems really difficult

[exotic swallow]

👉 💳 can fix btw

hehehe

[faint matrix]

If u have only that is

[exotic swallow]

na but u just have to spend more time as f2p

get all kinds of dr sources (I dont remember them all)

[faint matrix]

So me have having near 10 x is good or bad as f2p

[exotic swallow]

idk never was a f2p

good enough ig?

[zenith hare]

8x dr, 1/100 crystal chance, choco chip 30 hours of active

[exotic swallow]

yeah listen to the guy above

[faint matrix]

Really 30 hrs is all it takes

[exotic swallow]

maybe less bc u have 10 dr

[faint matrix]

Ok mahn

[willow sierra]

Only on my 3rd pet fight, how to I unlock these slots?

[zenith hare]

i bought auto loot midway through onyxing btw, which i had those stats for

[zenith hare]

arena, the level 8 breeding thing

[exotic swallow]

progressing through arena

[willow sierra]

And what does "High Performance" toggle do during the fight?

[exotic swallow]

u will need to unlock more pets to do that..

[zenith hare]

makes it so less effects happen

basically makes ur pc able to run it later on

[willow sierra]

Nice TY

[zenith hare]

it all is still calc'd its all for performance

[faint matrix]

But my crystal chance is 160

[undone knoll]

Hello angelic

[topaz plover]

What's the 5th enhancement from vman? If it's useful for me then I'll book that talent for it

[pine fiber]

wiki lists all the enhancements

[topaz plover]

Right thanks

I need to remember wiki exists more lol

[fallen crescent]

and now for every character

[bleak panther]

how many upgrades does the measurer have?

[fallen crescent]

10

[pine fiber]

rn I think 10, ends with multikill

[bleak panther]

oh ok I unlocked everything then

how much was engineer btw?

[pine fiber]

probably 22-23

[bleak panther]

oh wow thats a lot

[fallen crescent]

engineer was 18 right now i think

either 17 or 18

[uneven obsidian]

18 is whats available currently, we know there's up to 20 in the game files

[pine fiber]

what about these then?

[uneven obsidian]

its one of those, check the wiki for answer thing

those would be lvl 19 and 20, but are currently locked

[pine fiber]

oh I see

good thing I reclaimed my opals after I hit 18

[uneven obsidian]

not future proofing

[pine fiber]

gotta reach max measurement first, which is tomorrow morning then idk, maybe conjuror for extra points

I've been leveling my DB in w6, dont wanna come back to sheepies/bloques for boning

I wish I could just leave it in afk but sheepie platforns are so bad for random graveyard

[fallen crescent]

5 more lucky lads for my first luckier lad

yay

[pine fiber]

ramping

[wise crown]

i want to farming golden twine for troll helmet, is it better afk or active?. If active what character should i go for?

[fallen crescent]

active es was the best option iirc

[uneven obsidian]

ES active

[ancient arch]

just spooned a lab ring while accidentally autoing after claiming my first elite class

it looks really good

[wise crown]

oke oke, i will overnight farm it then

maybe will place rest char for afk in there too

[mossy anvil]

what cooking xp do exactly? what am i profiting from higher cooking levels

[dense egret]

You become gordon ramsey at lev 100

[mossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-donkey-idiot-bitch-gif-4653529

[pine fiber]

food would still be raw

[dense egret]

That would truly be a Skill issue moment

[simple walrus]

Is this good for w4? (Sorry for the bad crop)

[dense egret]

Was that with a talent or just a normal hit

[simple walrus]

Talent crit

But sometimes my talents do 10m without crit

[dense egret]

What's your base damage

[faint matrix]

Hellooooooooo

[simple walrus]

1,7m-4,7m

[dense egret]

Yeah that's fine

[simple walrus]

With shrine

[timid wolf]

Hey guys any suggestion for starfield skies pet boss?

[dense egret]

More than enough actually

[simple walrus]

Alr thx

[warped kiln]

Man I am hard stuck here, what kind of team should I use? I think I suck at this

[pine fiber]

check either pins or !guide

[marsh nova]

Is this good for w3

[pine fiber]

is this enough for normal amarok?

[dense egret]

Nope get more damage

[dense egret]

Rookie numbers that aren't even enough for sandypots

[cold jetty]

Guys, i've got my 8th character

So far I have one of each

What should be my next character since i'm an AFK player ?

[dense egret]

You have your jman?

[cold jetty]

Yep

Maestro

[dense egret]

Probably dk/bubo but i could be wrong

[cold jetty]

Idk if I should make another one 'cause they got wide account bonuses

Bubo?

Nvm

[dense egret]

Bubonic conjurer

[cold jetty]

Bubo would be great for lab 🤔

I'm not an active player so dk kinda sucks to me 🥲

But I think I will soon need to play actively

[dense egret]

There's a google spread sheet for this just go ask the nerds in gen chat

[pine fiber]

or just !guide

[indigo stratus]

is funni hat the best hat to make premium

[pine fiber]

or ctrl+f and write 8th character

it has been answered a gazillion times so far

[cold jetty]

!guide

[candid scarab]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[dense egret]

Premium hats aren't really that good

[indigo stratus]

funni hat gives skill efficency %

[fallen crescent]

is this enough to clear w1 colo?? i know its still low

[pine fiber]

such rookie numbers

[fallen crescent]

some of them give afk gain% theyre great

[dense egret]

Premium stuff is expensive/rare but if you can afford it then they good

[cold jetty]

The guide doesn't explain why I should get 2 DK or 2 Pirate

[iron jay]

why so small?

[pine fiber]

ctrl+f and type 2nd dk

[cold jetty]

I'm on phone

My computer is broken for now

[indigo stratus]

no you need at least 3e87 damage to beat w1, stay on spore map until you hit that

[fallen crescent]

i know it is not good :(

[cold jetty]

Ok mb

[pine fiber]

I have a terrible headache and trying to pour all my patience into chat

[fallen crescent]

just go lay down or something man

[pine fiber]

it's due to weather, can't do shit about it

[fallen crescent]

theres plenty of people here that are able to to answer questions

[pine fiber]

so am I, but there is a huge load of material a player needs to research in idleon, better to lead them towards DIY solutions rather than asking everything

[fallen crescent]

that is very true indeed

[pine fiber]

and as I said, I wasn't being rude, but that question gets answered atleast twice or 3 times an hour

[fallen crescent]

man i still wish i could use IT or IE, it wouyld help so much with just progress management

[pine fiber]

you cant?

[fallen crescent]

no yeah youre right, it gets annoying at some point

[fallen crescent]

nope, my email is linked wrong

so i cant use IE or IT and i can only play on the device im currently on

[pine fiber]

damn that's so bad, heard there is basically 0 customer support for idleon

[fallen crescent]

i mean lava is doing all he can, given he's alone

[pine fiber]

my point exactly

[fallen crescent]

i have yet to open a ticket but i feel like my issue isnt fixable by lava, however hes all i got left

ive tried google, my old school, steam support aswell.. nothing has helped sadly

[pine fiber]

[slow idol]

I am wondering what is the best armor stone and what character should i apply that stone on for lustre armor which will be used by my blood berserker

[bright marten]

how long will this take so I can set an alarm? it's rank 2

[pine fiber]

you could skip lustre armor tho

[slow idol]

?

[pine fiber]

lustre is basically for slab and thats it

boots are an exception for skilling boots

[slow idol]

What armour would i use instead of it?

[pine fiber]

troll?

or chizoar if you cant craft troll yet

[slow idol]

Okay thanks

[wintry halo]

what cooking efficiency does? im new to w4 and everything about the kitchen just seems time based, where does efficiency come into play?

[pine fiber]

increases ladle multi

more ladle/day = more timeskip

[bright marten]

#midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮 message

Would i be correct that it should be 5 hours? cycles every 15 minutes. it says power per cycle 2. so 8 power per hour = 5 hours to get 40 for another rank up?

[wintry halo]

ahhhhhhhh if I want to leave my character afk in the ktichen right, I got it. Should I do that assuming im new to w4? I have two barbarians after all @pine fiber thansk for the reply

[pine fiber]

if you have access to toolbox, it'll tell you when your salt rank can be upgraded

for example

[bright marten]

forgot to check. lmao. at least i can be proud i did math right for once

[pine fiber]

ah there you go, nice

you can also include squire cycles if you have any available

[bright marten]

sadly no

[pine fiber]

it's cool, just make sure you dont claim salts before ranking it up

[compact marlin]

Okay mb jman farming gmush for 2 or so years when i was taking a break from the game wasnt for nothing

[iron jay]

Family

[compact marlin]

Also what talents should i invest into first

[compact marlin]

Okay thanks

[iron jay]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vST3HcgBgeq8H9jztaMhUXZAAAHl120PvDVo_48qJpn6n9qnpa-TWmuG_kN9cmtr66M-OtO482XIOAk/pubhtml#

but it's only for speedrun

i also recommend kitchen tal and spell ench

[hexed shoal]

Awaria pfp👀

[willow sierra]

When you you get XP for cooking? When a recipe finishes?

[hexed shoal]

Afk in cooking with a charcter

[willow sierra]

Yeah, AFKing in the cooking area, but not seeing the XP increment, will it increment when a turkey finishes cooking or something? (can you get cooking XP while active?)

[sleek pollen]

No xp while active in kitchens

[pine fiber]

same goes for lab and divinity in w5

[round heron]

Can you sample the "rare drops" of mobs? (Like Ghosts from MoonMoons)

[sleek pollen]

Only main drop, so top left drop in the card drop table

[uneven obsidian]

only exception to that is gloomie mush

[fallen crescent]

you can sample red frisbees, but thats the only thing i thi k

[rancid pike]

I'm gonna be done with all shiny pets to lvl 11+ soon and will switch my attention to breedability. I just don't know what to aim as a goal. Should I increase them all to a certain breedability level or go all-in on only one pet to the max?

[uneven obsidian]

more shiny level > breedability

[rancid pike]

It's for tome and achievement, I just wanna be sure there's not something else I need to do expect those 2

[uneven obsidian]

the breedability achi is bugged last i heard

[rancid pike]

ok good to know

[slim horizon]

Hey ! I’m about to elite class my 6th character after lab jailing for a bit. What’s after that ? Still Lab jailling but pushing with dk or es ?

[sleek pollen]

Like you said all lab jail while one push

[slim horizon]

Some few breaks for farming skills and gearing up I guess ?

[lime folio]

How do you get the spice spillage star talent book?

[iron jay]

w4 merit shop

[night sable]

not until w5 i think

lab jail to w4 boss, div jail until nobi and then goat, then upgrade

[slim horizon]

« Div jail until nobi and then goat » didnt get that 🤪

[night sable]

you will in w5

[velvet anchor]

Div jail to goat then lab jail again

[night sable]

lab jail's implied

[velvet anchor]

My guys are only like level 40 lab I have a while to go

[night sable]

same but theyre also not in lab rn

[velvet anchor]

Well then your not doing lab jail right

[night sable]

well they're not in jail

or, theyre in a different kind of jail ig

i just hit nobi

[calm skiff]

I really hope the next Vault Upgrade has some Dead DNA mult... I hate breeding.

[velvet anchor]

You got a while for goat

[uneven obsidian]

w5 helps with grey dna

[night sable]

not really

[velvet anchor]

2 gods?

[night sable]

nobi took under a week, i expect to hit goat by march

[velvet anchor]

A whole month

[night sable]

not that long in the grand scheme of this game

[last aurora]

question for the 3d printer, what does that mean (the color and the star)

[uneven obsidian]

you got the lab node enabled ?

can remember if its cause of lab node or god, but it just mean prints are multiplied

[rough smelt]

how to get get star prints?

[tepid dune]

Recommendation for 8th character I got one of each and Maestro

[last aurora]

god made it purple I think but now it's yellow so I'm lost

Doesn't say on the wiki either

[uneven obsidian]

theres often a visual bug with the print multiplier dispaly

[zenith hare]

dk

[last aurora]

oh everyone in my lab got deconnected maybe the yellow is the god multi alone

[zenith hare]

second dk is mainly for construction, which is a massive hurdle

[foggy peak]

is W4 boss bugged?

[last aurora]

back to normal phew

[zenith hare]

yes, he sometimes becomes immune

if you hit him too quickly

[foggy peak]

my VM freeze for couple

[zenith hare]

if you have a vman, he should be one shotting troll tbh

unless its ntroll

[foggy peak]

it freeze during the first hit, health bar still full and then freeze

is lava notice this already? wanna farm the boss card

[zenith hare]

do you have the beat 20 minigames merit task done?

if so. he starts stunned as if you beat a minigame for 2/3 hits

[vague pendant]

would you guys suggest rings / deathly cluster pendant from dungeon points or just buying more stats/talents

[velvet anchor]

What gear do you have and what world are you in

[vague pendant]

almost finished w4 wearing chaotic amarok neck and pugalist rings on everyone

[fallen crescent]

i have to resample soon but i really dont want to 💔

[velvet anchor]

Do you have the important flourbo upgrades maxed?

[vague pendant]

nah none maxxed yet

my talents def are both high

[fallen crescent]

baba yaga didnt spawn 💔

[quasi copper]

how do i get a trapping levels easily i want my to get higher level traps but its taking a while

[rancid ridge]

Nature traps give just pure raw exp at the cost of not getting any critters

[indigo stratus]

is it normal to instantly catch a fish the moment you start fishing at equinox?
im unsure bc I just unlocked it but it makes the exp giga

[indigo stratus]

Wait a bit

[robust pecan]

Damage, kraken too fast can split and ruin your defence

[indigo stratus]

It's cuz of the desyncing

[robust pecan]

Only if you save and go rejoin the td

[south plover]

why is attack speed so important on kraken?

the difference between a 1 second reload speed and 0.5 seconds isn't that high, does it really make a difference?

[sinful bolt]

on very high waves with millions of enemies onscreen, it will definitely be important

[tranquil latch]

did this and it cleared 190 when i wasnt looking. the points go quite hard when swapping to dps mode. glad i stuck a 13 ribbon on the meal. ty

[plucky frost]

Can crystal mobs spawn on this map?

[tranquil latch]

why wouldnt they?

[uneven obsidian]

any normal map you do active as a chance of spawning them

[plucky frost]

some maps dont seem to spawn them. Was testing guaranteed killroy crystal spawn buff, and the sandy pot map for example never spawned it

But first kill in sewers every time

wasnt sure if there was rules around where they could spawn

[tranquil latch]

rip on you for taking that buff to start xD

[plucky frost]

oh i just needed it to get a quest tdone that required me to farm a crystal mob for a stamp

and was feeling lazy about it lol

[night sable]

fuck i thought i had it

i'm missing all of the last 4

[plucky frost]

I just want rift slug so bad

[wild quiver]

hello is death blossom pendant worth buying ?

[plucky frost]

i mean you're likely not going to have anything better in that slot for a very long time until you get at least chilzoar scarf. But there are better options. Largely depends on how tight on gems you are.

i personally try to reserve gems for account wide buffs, the exception being DB hood cause not having that seems like its going to be terrible if it doesnt go back into rotation

[wild quiver]

im on w4 and have dk is it better to save for DB hat

[plucky frost]

i mean are you in W4 and don't also have a BB?

Cause you should lol

[wild quiver]

nah my berserker is behing, he is lvl88 or something

[scarlet sphinx]

is vman usable on troll again?

[plucky frost]

with the vault buffs to class XP and afk gains, he should be able to jump from 88 to like 100+ in a single night of AFK, you're fine lol.

[zenith hare]

1 single better option

divine scarf is the only pendant better

for now anyways

[zenith hare]

dont as it only benefits DB itself after you get it early w6 time

[wild quiver]

ok i will listen

[plucky frost]

by the time he gets to W6 DB hat might be out of rotation and he's going to be kicking himself lol

but that's fomo for you

[zenith hare]

nah the 25% bonus is only good if you have no better purchases

[wild quiver]

i have 700 gems now

[zenith hare]

if it was dr or smth, yes thats a get asap

but its only bones

esp since lava is making bones afkable, itll be fine

[zenith hare]

was it unusable before? ive never had problems with it

given theres no world where my vman ever didnt one shot reg troll

by time i got vman, he could one shot him

[plucky frost]

was he your 10th?

[zenith hare]

7th

got him mid w5 time

before w6 was released

[plucky frost]

oh interesting, i assume early game too much longer back then

cause im like mid w4 and on my 8th

[zenith hare]

it took longer due to the lower damage

[scarlet sphinx]

during vault update when you killed troll the game would just freeze

[plucky frost]

yea makes sense

[zenith hare]

which does balance it out

[zenith hare]

have a look in #bug-reports-🐛 and see if there is any similar things

[scarlet sphinx]

there is

[zenith hare]

then considering there hasnt been any updates since then, its still a thing

[scarlet sphinx]

☹️

thanks for answering

[zenith hare]

itll be patched with the hole expansion update

which should be next thursday

[low arrow]

Update where 😂

[white path]

event soon

[harsh nebula]

Any tips for the frosty firefight? Can’t get past wave 20

Like what level should my towers be?

[low arrow]

I think ima get on w5 in a week if i afk and collect daily candys from the island

[calm skiff]

You push on a DK right?

[low arrow]

Ye

[signal ingot]

Best map for royal worm final quest, 25k crystal custards

[low arrow]

I need to let mobile active but it crashes (potato one)

[plucky frost]

Is anyone having an issue with the game lagging out if your bag fills up while playing active on ES with wormholes going? Cause I just came back after like 2 hours and my game barely responds to input

[heavy terrace]

what island?

islands give candies?

i didnt start them yet

[wild quiver]

does ES on auto mode use wormhole?

[plucky frost]

it does

if its on your bar at least

[low arrow]

Did you unlocked 3 fishing spot ?

[calm skiff]

One thing that can help you is using another character and killing some minibosses like Doot/Slush/M.Mush/BiggieHours they can drop candies

[heavy terrace]

yea but i didnt start any of the quests yet

[low arrow]

Pick.the bottles and get islands on the board

[calm skiff]

Jesus.... Lava really need to implement the AFK farming for DB... W3 is soo bad

[low arrow]

I think the order are trash,shimmer sea salt and crystsl for candys but the got huge hp

[calm skiff]

Recommended order is Trash > Shimmer > Crystal > Rando > Seasalt > Fractal.

[low arrow]

Oh

Welp i skipped random to ladt

Last*

[calm skiff]

Rando is good because later it enables Event Bosses to drop Bottles

[low arrow]

Welp rip

[minor crater]

How do I get 5000 frigid souls quickly?

[calm skiff]

Depends...? A lot of ways

What is your max wave ?

[minor crater]

Im w6 and still dont have a weapon for my ES xD

I cant get past wave 13 even tho I have kraken cosplayers

[low arrow]

I think colo last chest drops a lot

[minor crater]

is there anything specific I should look to get?

[calm skiff]

What level is your boulder?

[worn tulip]

yay i managed to activate the first 6 bonuses in lab :)

[minor crater]

leveling it up to 10 rn

[minor crater]

which colo?

[calm skiff]

Level it to 30 asap

[low arrow]

I think the w3 one cuz he drop world materials

Like logs bugs and etc

[minor crater]

its gonna take a while

[calm skiff]

at 20 you should be able to get at least increase your max wave

[minor crater]

hmmm

[calm skiff]

Do you have Rift unlocked?

[worn tulip]

damn i wish i had level 20 boulder

[minor crater]

yes

I have everything but w3 skills in a decent spot

[calm skiff]

You have the Rift Bonuses unlock? The one that tracks Skill lvs

[minor crater]

no I didnt grind the rift yet

[calm skiff]

Hmmm yeah try to unlock that one

[minor crater]

never checked its bonuses

how hard is it going to be?

[calm skiff]

It's Rift 16, you should have enough damage by W6 to do it

[worn tulip]

new bubble yayyyy

[minor crater]

I have 200 mil on ES

enough?

[calm skiff]

Rift is not only on a single characters, you will need a DK and a Siege as well +2 characters

[minor crater]

hmmm

[calm skiff]

There are challenges that are class specific, but... for Rift 16, if you can have a max hit of around 10-20mil

you should be good

[worn tulip]

what is the thing the 18 purple bubble needs???

[minor crater]

I have quite low damage on dk

[calm skiff]

Let me check for you the DK damage req

[minor crater]

where do you check?

[calm skiff]

If your DK can hit around 12mil on his abilities, you are good, if not try to equip him a little

https://idleon.wiki/wiki/The_Rift

[minor crater]

im way past that actually

[calm skiff]

There is the list of Challenges

[pine fiber]

tree sleeper? soul from w4

[minor crater]

im trying to rush voidwalker is that a good choice?

to help with w3 skills

[calm skiff]

Yeah, by now you should start grinding for it

But no need to rush, the good bonuses of Vman you will need a little bit of dmg

[minor crater]

im done with w3 and almost w1

Im talking about 1m kills

One last question and im gonna get to grinding: should I have my wormhole equipped or not on ES

while grinding the rift

[pine fiber]

ehh, not really important imo

maybe for active kill rifts

[calm skiff]

Only for the Active Kills and for the Drop one

[pine fiber]

like kill xy amount in 5mins

yeah

[minor crater]

Are tears very rare or is my drop rarity(4.76x)low

[calm skiff]

For Rift 16 which is your goal

That is enough

[zenith hare]

tears are a 1/50k drop, doing it on ES with 1x dr gets it done in like 15 mins or so

as long as ur portal can get like 60/70 mobs

[brave crater]

I hit lvl 750

[low arrow]

Nice

[brave crater]

He’s turning into 2nd es

[zenith hare]

that 9th?

[brave crater]

Ye

[zenith hare]

good~

[calm skiff]

I would argue that a Second Bubo for a Lab Slave would be way more benefitial for your account

[brave crater]

EW

[zenith hare]

no. second bubo is never considered

[brave crater]

Real

[zenith hare]

as its bonuses dont stack with a second bubo

and lab is really easy to max out anyways

[calm skiff]

You don't do for the bonus, you do for the EXP and for the Div

[brave crater]

I have it maxed lvl 70

[zenith hare]

the xp you dont need?

[low arrow]

Still im thinking of the 8 char being another squire to bosst refin and cons or other Es

[zenith hare]

as meals is why lab gets maxed, not levels

[brave crater]

It took me 10 seconds to get here

[zenith hare]

do dk

[calm skiff]

You need lv 75 on every character, for slots

[zenith hare]

and thats uber easy to get

even 210 on everyone is easy to get

reminder that bubo shares a portion of its xp to the lowest level char

and one bubo is all you need for all the lab xp bonuses

as those talents dont stack with a second bubo

[low arrow]

Another dk gonna be,time to boost cons

And mine slave

[calm skiff]

Get 2 DK and 2 SB first those 2 are the importants ones to be honest

[zenith hare]

second sb is no longer meta

hasnt been since hole, as he has one purpose

and that purpose got yeeted

[night sable]

isnt second es correct

[zenith hare]

being forge progress via 2 min claims

[brave crater]

Yes

[stray ember]

What is the 4 pet setup for the equinox mission?

[night sable]

why is it second es

[low arrow]

Two Es and Two Dk are the new meta

[zenith hare]

yeah 8th should be dk, 9th es, and 10th was bb/sb. now its stay as beginner till we find out master classes

[zenith hare]

not new, been meta since all elites got released

[night sable]

dk i get but what about second ES makes it meta

[zenith hare]

wood prints for atoms, easier divinity xp, great at afk kph due to mana is life giving mk/t

a few other things

[low arrow]

The 10 gonna be waiting and grinding

[zenith hare]

it scales into endgame basically

it will ALWAYS be useful to you

same with DK

[low arrow]

Dk boosting prints goes hard

[zenith hare]

BB is a semi useful rn for 10th. hence why people suggest to hold off and keep it as beginner (NOT secret class line)

but if you DO choose a class for 10th, BB is meta right now

its just that will very likely shift within the next 5 master classes

it could stay idk yet, but likely wont and its an uncertain future

@calm skiff to explain further why no second sb: we can now smelt an entire 1050M godshard stack in one 2 min claim now

which makes having a 3rd archer for that completely useless

as youre locked to it being after printer cycles

[low arrow]

The vault made the 3 archer retire

[zenith hare]

hole made it retire

a fecking 243x forge cap boost

[night sable]

hole made it retire vault danced on its grave

[zenith hare]

yes

honestly i wished i didnt get forge upgrades now

[cold wraith]

from vault?

[zenith hare]

cause i need to refill forge every single time now as auto arm doesnt work if i do 16 slots

[pine fiber]

it doesnt?

[zenith hare]

now need to do only 4 slots of godshard to not have to do shite

[zenith hare]

before i could eat an entire 1050m gshard stack in 2 claims

[night sable]

i'm happy with my forge upgrades cause i wasnt using all slots anyway

[zenith hare]

we got a 2.5x forge bonus

[granite shore]

what should i start getting first?

[fossil hatch]

Stacks actually just disappear 💀

[zenith hare]

!merit3

[candid scarab]

1️⃣ One point into Telekinetic Storage which has an ability to deposit all items in your inventory into the chest while destroying everything on the ground. This is a great quality of life feature. Skip this if you have the ram companion.
2️⃣ Buy until you have 3 building spots and 3 food slots. This can be between 0 and 2 purchases depending on gem shop purchases. Food slots will help your pusher go faster and 3 building spots is a 50% construction speed boost.
3️⃣ Talent levels are hugely important and the library should be used as much as possible.
4️⃣ The 3D printer will be how you get most of you skilling materials in the future. To make good use of it you need your sample size to be as close to the 90% cap as possible.
5️⃣ Buy the rest. More slots = more better.
6️⃣ Leveling telekinetic storage gives up to +13.6% Carry Cap which is good for afking longer, stamps and crafting, but is not a priority early on.
7️⃣ You won't get enough points to consider buying respawn for a long time by which you will have cleared all W3 portals.
Get the first level when you reach rank 3 on orange salt and get another level each time a new salt reaches rank 3.
⚔️ The last recipe is for the Chizoars Caustic Scarf which is best in slot for a long time giving both damage and respawn. Get this when you can complete the associated task of beating Chizoar with 8 characters. Other recipes are for Chizoar gear. The helmet gives +15% damage and can be considered if you are making purple salt. The other pieces are mediocre but some make the chestplate for 3% damage.

[zenith hare]

yeah...

[brave crater]

Ngl new vault is broken

[zenith hare]

itll only get better

[cold wraith]

yea theres a secret bonus if you max out the class xp upgrade

[brave crater]

Wdym

[cold wraith]

its secret

[zenith hare]

definitely....

go get the millions of eclipse coins first

[brave crater]

How many till max

[zenith hare]

level 500

[pine fiber]

a lot

meme show current cost

[cold wraith]

yea it is but def worth in the end

[zenith hare]

highest ive seen is ab level 350 or smth

[brave crater]

I never getting

[zenith hare]

mines at 322

costs one of the highest tier of coins we can get rn, and it only skyrockets

[white beacon]

is there a something on the normal distribution of characters

like a picture or something

[zenith hare]

wdym by that

what classes to get?

[white beacon]

yeah

i don't see it in this pins

[night sable]

first 6, then jman or dk, then dk or jman, then es then beginner

[zenith hare]

first 6 should be each unique main class, 7th being secret class, 8th second dk, 9th second es, 10th staying as a beginner for now as we dont know if the meta is changing

current meta is that order but bb as 10th, but that will VERY likely change

as we only have 1 master class out rn

[brave crater]

Uh I’m broke

[zenith hare]

wanna see my income at gmush?

[worn tulip]

bruh why cant i progress :(

[zenith hare]

skill issue

[white beacon]

thanks

[worn tulip]

damn

[balmy gulch]

can u show me your stat

[brave crater]

Dis at gmush

[worn tulip]

its a kph issue

[zenith hare]

:3

[zenith hare]

you at 2k kph?

[worn tulip]

i only have 4.5k

[pine fiber]

is dank out of w4 yet

[worn tulip]

at worms rn

[zenith hare]

that is 2.3x what people NORMALLY have

when pushing w4

you have it very easy

[balmy gulch]

4.5k is crazy

[night sable]

4.5k is like

[worn tulip]

youre telling me they actually are contempt with the 350k kills you need for the last area?

[night sable]

i think it's low because i had higher

but its pretty good

[balmy gulch]

spam your candy(you should but I am not forcing u)

[pine fiber]

does kph even account for intervention/wormhole kills?

[brave crater]

Uh we use killer bright side

[worn tulip]

this wont work

[brave crater]

Wth

[worn tulip]

id need like 700 hours of candy

[pine fiber]

[zenith hare]

you are not stuck

[zenith hare]

thats a complete lie

[worn tulip]

no its hyperbole

[night sable]

i'm so low on gmush lmao i only have 20k

[zenith hare]

w4 as a whole takes ab 1mill kills

[worn tulip]

lets do the math ok

[zenith hare]

at MOST from start of w4, youd eat 250 hours

[worn tulip]

i need 30 hours jsut for the worms

[zenith hare]

youre nearing the end.

[zenith hare]

thats a lie

[brave crater]

Dummy

[zenith hare]

biggole worms isnt 150k portal

[worn tulip]

I HAVE THE FIRST 6 BONUSES ACTIVE

[pine fiber]

@zenith hare does kph even account for intervention/wormhole?

[worn tulip]

it is

[zenith hare]

kpk or mk?

[pine fiber]

the kph in afk info for afk

[brave crater]

No it isn’t

[zenith hare]

oh no i have to wait for 2 days ahhhh ohhhh noooooo!

it took me a month

[worn tulip]

:(

[brave crater]

Only clams is

[zenith hare]

at most w4 will take like another week

[night sable]

portals in late w4 are high idk

[zenith hare]

assuming you dont grind candies

[pine fiber]

at most if he doesnt get sidetracked

[night sable]

i candied through them but it took like 2 weeks worth

[night sable]

from biggole to troll door

[brave crater]

It’s easy to with Dk

[pine fiber]

biggole in w4?

[night sable]

wtf do you mean 150 million kills get that w6 shit out of here

[zenith hare]

i did that with chars who had only 50k kph~

[worn tulip]

i have 149k left on the portal in worm area

[zenith hare]

ish

[brave crater]

Shut

[zenith hare]

so youve afk'd for 15 minutes?

[zenith hare]

:3

[worn tulip]

no i was active for like 5

[night sable]

what are you on

[worn tulip]

this map is dogshit

[night sable]

what class

[worn tulip]

dk ofc

[zenith hare]

then afk it or candy it

[pine fiber]

if he is on dk/es 💀

[brave crater]

Ur probably pushing on like maestro

[night sable]

biggole does fucking suck but it'll take you 3 seconds on dk

[pine fiber]

jesus christ just active it

[brave crater]

Ur dumb

[brave crater]

It’s not

[night sable]

i get like 12k per hour active on dk on worms?

[zenith hare]

itll take you ab 11 hours

[night sable]

and even thats kinda low

[zenith hare]

thats same rates as them

[worn tulip]

i mean.......

[night sable]

but my dk is super garbage

[low arrow]

Bro im pushing with 3.7k kph....

[worn tulip]

i do have 24 hour candy that ive been waiting to use :)

[night sable]

this is my dk equipment

[zenith hare]

you also have far more from w1/2 quests

[pine fiber]

gmush

[zenith hare]

iron bands are better then serrated rings btw

[worn tulip]

time to do soemthing majestic

[night sable]

i'm nearly at void gear but thats my dk

[night sable]

good for them

[brave crater]

Wut the

[pine fiber]

dont diss amarok tho