midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[atomic fable]

It's at 13.4k

[indigo stratus]

!gems

[cobalt hatch]

these are my stamps aswell

[glacial turtle]

@cobalt hatch dont forget about stamps or postoffice if you still need to work on those but your dube looks more than enough to push w5

[indigo stratus]

what am I supposed to buy with gems after 3d printer upgrade

[cold wraith]

honestly push w5 as soon as you beat troll

[cobalt hatch]

whats dube

[cold wraith]

infinity hammer is a no brainer

[glacial turtle]

dude

[cobalt hatch]

oh ok

[indigo stratus]

got infinity hammer first

[cobalt hatch]

i should probably finish w3 for the rest of my characters at some point

[cold wraith]

you can also go for richelin kitchen if w4

[west ingot]

Yeah it's cooked his stamps and bubbles are about the same as mine but has 5x my damage I'll never understand

[cold wraith]

forge slots in w1

[cerulean meteor]

this is mine. ( i used IT)

sorry for the poor zoom

[cold wraith]

bleach liquid cauldrons w2

[cerulean meteor]

i mightve missed 1 or 2 rows as well

[atomic fable]

There's more buffs than just alchemy - there's vials, talents, owl, fish

[true hamlet]

w4 and 5 is a joke now.. I never had to stop once to upgrade things, they probably got tuned down a lot

[indigo stratus]

thanks

[cerulean meteor]

yea, but alchemy ive heard is the most important

[cerulean meteor]

and vials is alchemy

[west ingot]

I know my talents are fine I have fractal fish roo and fractal 5 Orion and I have vials

[true hamlet]

Early on, probably kangaroo and owl

Takes little time to get going

[cold wraith]

vials rly dont do much to dmg

[cerulean meteor]

so they are part of the alchemy skill

[cold wraith]

eh

[west ingot]

Idk I wish I could find what's actually holding my account back so hard

[true hamlet]

Lvl 20 shaq, fractal 2 megafish, 30% accuracy from flurbo and some star signs is all you need to get to the end of w5

[cold wraith]

send me acc

[cerulean meteor]

your in early w3 ( assuming your name is acc)

[true hamlet]

Where are you stuck at?

[cerulean meteor]

than again i dont help either lol

[cold wraith]

? what

[cerulean meteor]

idk i thought you wouldnt know a lot, but what do i know lol

[west ingot]

I'm not really stuck just my stats suck I can still get 2.2kph but my damage on everyone sucks

[atomic fable]

That's more kph than me

[west ingot]

https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=yippiethanks

[cold wraith]

yea my name aint updated

[true hamlet]

So you push on all your characters then?

[cerulean meteor]

sorry for the rudeness, ig im too used too being w6 and not being a noob even tho i am

[atomic fable]

https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=BakedCupcake This is my stats - any idea why my kph is low?

[cerulean meteor]

yea, hence why i said assuming your name is accurate

[cold wraith]

nah i usually troll with the name but not rn

@west ingot what class you pushing w4 on

dk?

[cerulean meteor]

better be DK or ES

[glacial turtle]

@west ingot why do you have so many point in the attacks its over kill

[fallen crescent]

is there a point in getting this above 100%?

[west ingot]

Dk

[atomic fable]

Oh, have I done the same mistake?

[rough sundial]

Hey, I got a question, The quest "Stance on Big Tech" from Yondergreen is bugged I think for me, it need "Pen Sample Size" of 20, if I sample the Pens im getting 78 but the quest is not getting finished and is still says 0/20, does anyone know how to fix it?

[west ingot]

Nothing else to put points into

[cerulean meteor]

are you printing 20?

other than that idk

[true hamlet]

Pushing with ES allows you to hit killcap easily, I even hit multikill for the entire w4 while rushing

[rough sundial]

I can print 78

[cerulean meteor]

but ARE you printing 78

[west ingot]

So your es was doing 4mil damage plus?

[cerulean meteor]

i think that is the one that matters

[glacial turtle]

@west ingotit shows the extra strength ones as unleveled?

[atomic fable]

Is the lack of mk why my kph is so low?

[cerulean meteor]

mine was doing that on a good attack

[cold wraith]

@west ingot turn on autorefine for orange and blue salts immediately

[cerulean meteor]

good base

[true hamlet]

6m end of w4

[rough sundial]

Not rn, but I was trying it with like 60 and it still didnt do anything

[cold wraith]

red and orange shouldnt be the same lvl youre just going to screw up your refinery

[cerulean meteor]

i was going to check quest notes, but wiki is down

[atomic fable]

Here's my refinery as a refence point with the leveling approach

[true hamlet]

You could continue to push on a DK but make sure your accuracy is 1.5x the required for 100%

[zenith hare]

or use this

[cerulean meteor]

are you printing it, i think there is a difference

[zenith hare]

btw thats the second top pin of this channel

[atomic fable]

for my refinery, Orange and red are the same power to cost

[cerulean meteor]

just having a 20 sample size means nothing if you arent actively printing it after all

[atomic fable]

while orange cost for blue is 4, but I only gain 6 orange per cycle

[west ingot]

Well I was trying to rank up both

[cold wraith]

dont cus youll never have surplus of red salts or orange

[cerulean meteor]

is 7000 a surplus lol

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable that means you wont make ant rud dust its being use at the same rate of production

[cerulean meteor]

idk i dont think that is how a surplus works

[true hamlet]

Depends where you're at

[atomic fable]

This situation isn't fatal, but it does prevent red salt gain, I'm fixing it as soon as I can

[cerulean meteor]

early w6

like 3 maps in

[cold wraith]

as long as you are producing more per cycle than consuming for the next youll be fine

[cerulean meteor]

ill check rq

[cold wraith]

and itll only ramp up once you get omni procs and rank 22 red

[atomic fable]

But notice how I'm gaining more orange than I'm losing per cycle?

Wait, I'm about to salt lock orange...

[true hamlet]

I'm not far enough to guage but I'm sure there are people whose refinery uses thousands of salts per hour

[cold wraith]

your salts are fine js rank up red one more time and itll work itself out

[cerulean meteor]

ok, the componet cost of orange is 11, and the power of red is 12

[west ingot]

Salt doesn't explain my fuck all damage, I mean I know I'm not hitting the 1.5x accuracy on my dk but still even with it his damage isn't even at 300k

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable that fine you just need to up grade red again

[cold wraith]

still you dont want to mess up your salts this early

[cerulean meteor]

have you done stamps/alchemy?

[west ingot]

Ik

[cold wraith]

unless you dont want me to tell you about it

also keep all your guys in lab idk what your sb is doing on frogs

[true hamlet]

That blue salt 😂 I only managed to get it fixed when I got vman.. which was when I hit w6

[atomic fable]

Have I messed up with salts a bit or is mine not that bad?

[west ingot]

Trying to

[cerulean meteor]

ok, what is your lab looking like

[cold wraith]

its fine js dont rank up orange until your red is a lil higher

[true hamlet]

dk hitting 1.5x accuracy?

[cerulean meteor]

my orange and blue are same, is that bad

[west ingot]

He's not, it's just not updated it was from when I was doing dungeons a min ago

[atomic fable]

Alright, I might be stuck on orange for a while until I get the red salts rank up

[lyric basalt]

Whats this mob, never heard of it

[west ingot]

No but as I just said even with it he doesn't get above 300k damage

[cerulean meteor]

ah ok, but is your lab at worldwide shrines yet

[lyric basalt]

The black one in the boss area

[cerulean meteor]

that massively boosted my damage in w4

[cold wraith]

hes on second node

[true hamlet]

I only had problems with blue, granted 1 guy was always on gigfrogs

[west ingot]

?

[glacial turtle]

@west ingot in your squire it show you dont have str summore is that right?

[cerulean meteor]

well orange is 11x, and blue is also 11x ( for the required values)

[cold wraith]

of lab you only have the first two nodes unlocked

[lyric basalt]

What's this emperor card?

[atomic fable]

Alright, I'm going to end up being salt locked on orange for a few days

[west ingot]

That's incorrect I have killer brightside and everything before it

[atomic fable]

but at least after I rank up red, it shouldn't repeat again

[true hamlet]

W6 unreleased boss, the sovereign card gives multikill per tier

[west ingot]

Don't even know what that is

[lyric basalt]

Oh alr then why is it in the game and shouldn't it be unobtainable?

[cerulean meteor]

is that before or after worldwide shrines

[cold wraith]

thats not what your IT is telling me maybe need to update it or sum

[cold wraith]

before

[west ingot]

Before

[true hamlet]

Get w4 Strength potions

[cerulean meteor]

i would work on getting worldwide shrines if possible, that massively boosted my damage in w4

[cold wraith]

could level this meal for 8% more dmg

[cerulean meteor]

but that is me lol

[west ingot]

Also I'm not sure what your obsession with worldwide shrines is but I have shrines in the world in pushing in

[glacial turtle]

its a perk that increase you 1st page strength level by up to 100 aka damage

[true hamlet]

Strength potions and make sure your shrines move with your dk

[cerulean meteor]

they should sit in w4 town forever

[west ingot]

Oh I've just been doing eggs

[cerulean meteor]

bc they wont level otherwise

[cold wraith]

yea but your speed isnt really going to ramp up until you get diamond chef bubble unlocked and diamond plates running

cabbage helps

[true hamlet]

You'll have a lot of time to charge shrines while doing div and lab jail, especially with the 2100 lab

[atomic fable]

Do I just say I messed up and use my orange salts for upgrades until red ranks up?

[west ingot]

So swap to turkey?

[cold wraith]

for a lil bit seems like you can get at least a couple easy levels

[cerulean meteor]

ah ok, i thought it might not level enough if it wasnt worldwide,

[glacial turtle]

@west ingotits a perk that increase you 1st page strength level cap up to 100 aka more damage

[cold wraith]

have you gone through the stamps and seen which you can get and which you cant

[atomic fable]

Since I'm about to be salt locked on orange for a while, do I either leave the rest for blue salts or use them for upgrades in construction

[cold wraith]

idk which you can cus wiki down but there should be some dmg ones you might be missing

[cerulean meteor]

@west ingot i wouldnt be wrong in assuming you have NBLB

[cold wraith]

always keep red/green on 0% and the rest you can stop or autorefine whenever

[atomic fable]

the problem is, I'm about to run out of red salts

meaning orange will stop producing

[cold wraith]

thats fine just dont autorefine red

[atomic fable]

Alright

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable depends are the things you want to use the blue salt on more useful or are the orange salt upgrades

[west ingot]

I've tried but wiki has been down for a few days

[cold wraith]

its better to have no red salts for a few days and getting more output after

[atomic fable]

Do I leave the rest of my orange salts to convert to blue salts to unlock green

[atomic fable]

Okay, good to know

[cold wraith]

go to each pig npc and see if you can do the quests

[cerulean meteor]

what are your talents looking like, i assume your using a guide

[west ingot]

Also these are my stats without the 1.5x accuracy it's like 326k with the accuracy buff

[atomic fable]

as I haven't unlocked my green salts yet

[cerulean meteor]

upgrade rex rings to serrated, and idk about that pendant

[west ingot]

I don't have the recioe

[cerulean meteor]

kill baba yaga for a bit then

[atomic fable]

You have a better weapon than I do right now 😭

[glacial turtle]

@west ingot pls show the squire perk page

[cerulean meteor]

has he shown the other talent pages

[west ingot]

Idfk where he is

[true hamlet]

serrated rex rings please. work towards void legplates and boots as those are the cheapest. Strength potion in w4 helps. Lastly, you've chosen to use DK, you NEED to hit 1.5x accuracy

[cerulean meteor]

red mushrooms at top of hour

alternatively w1 colo wave 15

[atomic fable]

If accuracy is too much of a problem for me, should I use ES instead for pushing if accuracy is too hard to get?

[west ingot]

Yeah idk I can't get accuracy for shit

[cerulean meteor]

i used ES, tho i regret it a bit tbh

[true hamlet]

ES seems a lot easier to push w4 and 5 with, just stock up on w4 hp potions and some food nd you're survivability will be fine

[cerulean meteor]

i was pushing w4 with hemo alone

[atomic fable]

Eventually I would have to push through world 4 and 5 with every character, right?

[velvet anchor]

my account is so cooked

i honeslty might quite game again

[cerulean meteor]

w4 definitely, idk about w5

[true hamlet]

Yeah, I pushed with ES but I managed to catch all my other 8 chars (other than vman) to lvl 300 in 2 days so it's fine

[cerulean meteor]

ah ok, i have yet to get my others besides BB catched up

[velvet anchor]

yea for krattle armour you do

[atomic fable]

Should I consider unlocking my 8th character to allow my maestro to do other things like vman quest

[cold wraith]

you should have at least one point into dk orb cus you want to start building up orb kills

[cerulean meteor]

all are level 100-150 besides ES and BB

[cold wraith]

dubs

[atomic fable]

which requires level 750 total

[true hamlet]

Don't worry, once you settle into w6, you will have some time to work on catching up, whether it's gear, alchemy or stamps. Along with the bonuses you get from w5 sailing and w6 summoning, you'll be fine

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fablene need lv150 for that quest

[atomic fable]

I need level 150?

[cerulean meteor]

(and 51M kills)

[glacial turtle]

on mastro yea

[atomic fable]

Umm... Idk if I can reach that level this early in the game

[cerulean meteor]

i saved vman quest for late w5/early w6

[cold wraith]

@west ingot you can also try doing some constellations and see if you can reach the star signs in the red one for more dmg

[glacial turtle]

yep just get elite classes first

[atomic fable]

Speaking on constellations, I was able to do 1 of them in world 4 early

[true hamlet]

Oh yeah for sure, there's a 10% accuracy star sign in hydron

[cerulean meteor]

which one

[atomic fable]

The D2 one

[cerulean meteor]

the purple mushrooms one

[atomic fable]

I cannot get D1 yet

[cerulean meteor]

i think i did that one too

[atomic fable]

Because I need level 120

[cerulean meteor]

i could probably get the others, but i would need to afk a lot

[west ingot]

Shit I thought I did, I also just got serrated Rex rings making them rn

[cerulean meteor]

nice. you got flurbos?

[true hamlet]

It's pretty easy for all your characters to catch up in xp once you get to w6, even early on. I managed to get all my characters to go from about lvl 120 to 300 in about 3 days or so with the 50B xp per hour

[cold wraith]

do your post office daily

[atomic fable]

Actually, I might know why you might want to push with dk

[cold wraith]

yikes no mk

[cerulean meteor]

i didnt and am now regretting it

[atomic fable]

The orb

[true hamlet]

not pushing far without mk, just wanted to have that xp so I can level skilling talents on everybody

[glacial turtle]

@west ingot also you can upgrade your first cooking table with the spices from breeding

[cold wraith]

i didnt either but i didnt regret it cus i got hella pens crystal farming wurms and js spammeda ll the boxes

[cerulean meteor]

ah ok

i got like 29

[cold wraith]

im 27k boxes into myriad

with all other boxes unlocked/maxed

[cerulean meteor]

nice i wish i had that much

[cold wraith]

lowk mid for 27k boxes but we'll see

[atomic fable]

I might have to do box of unwanted stats

for the sake of accuracy

[west ingot]

I've been trying to there's people with thousands which doesn't seem right because that will take years no?

[true hamlet]

You could always use the accuracy prayer if you wanted to

[true hamlet]

silver pens

[atomic fable]

How early do you think I could get a crystal farm going?

[cold wraith]

with pens it doesnt take that long

[glacial turtle]

dont worry about that yet

[cold wraith]

you can also get more than one box while spamming so youll get a decent amt of boxes

[true hamlet]

when your crystal spawn chance is high nd you have choco chip, I'm nowhere near that though

[west ingot]

Well I've been at the kill cap in the world I'm in but it's still extremely slow

[cold wraith]

im consdering doing chip gamba for card doublers

im at 1/49 crystal chance rn and thatll go down a lot if i get doublers

maybe 1/30

[atomic fable]

I'm not sure what I could buy with 1.1k gems unless I want to hold onto them

[glacial turtle]

hold

[atomic fable]

Alright

[cold wraith]

this fomo shop rotation was disappointing

[cerulean meteor]

what are your cards looking like

[cold wraith]

all accu

[cerulean meteor]

ah maybe that is why your struggling with damage

[cold wraith]

but you can also take a couple hours on es and farm up some cards to 1* or 2*

[cold wraith]

he doesnt hit 1.5x accu on choccie

[atomic fable]

Should I also do that? get some of my cards to 1* or 2*

[cerulean meteor]

i thought cards could make up 1.5x

[cold wraith]

@west ingot i would say tho keep going for more megafish and bonuses to get your accuracy up

[cerulean meteor]

i mean, shaq is good

[cold wraith]

shaq is kinda hard to level with shitty bloach prints

[cold wraith]

you can it shouldnt be too hard for w1-w3

card reqs for stars go up in worlds but those should be relatively easy

[cerulean meteor]

just sit at bloaches

[atomic fable]

I did buy autoloot recently, which is a nice qol imo

[true hamlet]

you'd be working towards vman quest too anyways

[true hamlet]

what's your kph?

[cold wraith]

you can just candy and balloon vman

[true hamlet]

balloon?

[atomic fable]

Balloon for the xp

[cerulean meteor]

for skills

[true hamlet]

vman quest not maestro..

[cerulean meteor]

that as well

[true hamlet]

getting to lvl 150 with balloons, sounds like a pain

[cold wraith]

oh lowk forgot that was mman

[cerulean meteor]

ah ok i was just thinking that a vman is also a maestro so skilling

[atomic fable]

Oh, right, I forgot too

[true hamlet]

my vman does no damage

should be killcap though

[cold wraith]

vman in w4?

[west ingot]

2.2k

[cold wraith]

no. youre w6 right

[north root]

why cant i see the crabbos in w2?

[cold wraith]

did you do the hunter quest in w3

[true hamlet]

that seems a bit low for sure.. perhaps you aren't hitting the kill cap?

[glacial turtle]

@north root talk to hunter in w3

[north root]

yup i did

[atomic fable]

My kph is only like 500 or so

[cold wraith]

and completed it?

[atomic fable]

with hunter

[west ingot]

Well when I say killcap I mean the kph isn't being affected by damage

[north root]

nope not the poison froge onne

[cold wraith]

you gotta do that to see crabs

[north root]

ohhh

[glacial turtle]

@north rootgotta aceppt another quest from him hes got one for all the critters

[true hamlet]

with killer brightside it should be closer to 5k so that's kind of odd for sure

[cold wraith]

idk if you need to do it on every character but that doesnt matter once you get trapping drone

[atomic fable]

drone, should I keep some orange salts to go for green salts?

[north root]

its been 2 days and no poison froge

[west ingot]

Are you sure? Someone earlier just said the average is 2.2k for entire world 4 and that someone with 4k is really high kph??

[cold wraith]

honestly thats not a bad idea

green salts are hella slow and wont consume much blue

since cycles for second page are 4x slower

[atomic fable]

That's good to know

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable what can you get with your orange salts, upgrades now sound better than salts sitting in your chest

[true hamlet]

I was hitting 7k with ES (just hitting multikill) so I couldn't use that as a guage, if they had personal experience then maybe that is the case

[atomic fable]

I can upgrade all the towers I have unlocked and most of the top row in construction

[cold wraith]

boulder will carry till you get poisonic unlocked

[west ingot]

Well the difference between us is that my es has a 400k max damage🧟‍♂️

[atomic fable]

I wouldn't be able to produce orange salts for 3 days know

[glacial turtle]

tower aren't super big right now what levels the salt lick

[atomic fable]

Level 7

It's 1.37m/1.54m for level 8 available

[cold wraith]

some people push on es because early game its easier to collect stamps than refinery ranks. since es scales dmg with stamps it usually has higher damage

[true hamlet]

my ES had 300k at the start around demon genies, ramped up to a few mil at flombeiges

[cold wraith]

but late game you can get refinery ranks pretty quickly

only issue with es is survability and mana consumption, but i think lava lowered mana costs soo

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable your good on that then 8 not inportant right now its move speed

[true hamlet]

maybe, and 1 w4 hp potion is enough to help you survive up to w6 so that isn't a problem either

[west ingot]

Yeah idk I feel like it's to late to swap to es anyway

[atomic fable]

I can upgrade the refinery speed know

[cold wraith]

not rly

[atomic fable]

in the salt lick itself (It's level 6)

[cold wraith]

i got to the third map before boss in w5 and switched to es

[true hamlet]

oh yeah another thing, ES is best afk pusher if that's how you play

[cold wraith]

bb is

i just candied all of w4

and i shouldnt have but i got impatient and candied all of w5 with es

[true hamlet]

😂

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fablecheck your vial and make sure nothing impotants wants orange but i think your good to go for blue and green, also did you turn on the lab perk the 3x refinery speed that should help

[atomic fable]

I have reached that perk, let me show my lab rq

[pine fiber]

you actually think ES can beat BB's pusher talent?

[west ingot]

I'm constantly afk

[atomic fable]

As for vials, hold on

[cold wraith]

in w5 yes

[true hamlet]

Yep! Here's my current stats between DK and ES, your refinery can't be pushed high early on so yeah..

The damage bonus is much mor significant on ES than DK

[atomic fable]

In alchemy, I can also get build speed (Uses orange)

[true hamlet]

yeah

[atomic fable]

is that better than refinery know this early in the game?

[cold wraith]

dk beats it eventually

[cold wraith]

use 90% bargain tag on warrior class and upgrade it

[white lintel]

that and meat shank

[pine fiber]

the what now

[atomic fable]

Could this be a good spot to bargain tag it?

[true hamlet]

Takes a while to get going for sure but if you keep pushing, you probably would have higher ES multiplier for a while

[atomic fable]

to gain build speed, but minimise orange salt loss

[cold wraith]

yea pretty good other choices are mk with blue salts, dia chef, multologgo etc

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fableno for build speed just forces on gears with xp bonuses the faster your guys level the more there worth and the faster you get to better gears anyway

[north root]

how do u get the giant stache mob?

[pine fiber]

prayer?

[cold wraith]

equip giant prayer and youll have a decreasing chance to spawn it

[pine fiber]

ngl I thought you meant use bargain tag to upgrade the refinery itself

[north root]

whats a prayer

[cold wraith]

no for the builder bubble

[west ingot]

Well I guess I'll just deal with being in w4 for another 3 weeks

[pine fiber]

yeah I realized a few seconds later

[atomic fable]

At minimum, the alchemy bubble only costs 16 orange salts for a bit of build speed

I went to check what it is at 90% reduction

[cold wraith]

i went w2>w6 in a month and half or smth

[true hamlet]

If that's how long you project it will take, then switch to ES now

[true hamlet]

yeah same, maybe a little less

[cerulean meteor]

i went from w4>6 in a month

[atomic fable]

It's this bubble btw drone

[west ingot]

Speaking of es I just checked the kill rate with it on genies and it's only 1800 and that's less than my dk only reason I'm worried

[atomic fable]

And the price there is at 90% bargain tag

[true hamlet]

w4 and 5 took like 1 and a half weeks 😂 , easiest worlds to push

[glacial turtle]

@north root big rock on left in main town in w3 unlock prayers by playing the worship minigame and getting to specific rounds

[cold wraith]

i wasted a lot of time pushing with other characters.. i think i mentioned before but i started w4 push with dk but just candied on bb. same thing with w5 i started with dk and just candied with es

[cerulean meteor]

same, tho i had stayed in lab jail for a long time

[cold wraith]

upgrade the right talent and get more stamps

[north root]

ohhhhh

[true hamlet]

well, it's your choice I guess, I would also start working towards glacial weapons too

[white lintel]

thats how it usually goes, I think I took 2 weeks per world when I pushed, pre owl and roo

[pine fiber]

easiest worlds to push, meanwhile they both have massive jail times 💀

[atomic fable]

fyi, most of my characters are level 80+ construction

[true hamlet]

yeah, you did mention that

[atomic fable]

with my highest being level 104

[cerulean meteor]

yea, and by w4 i mean cans to troll

[cold wraith]

kruk was a lil iffy cus i didnt hit 30m dmg on es but after a day i go tit

[cerulean meteor]

have you been playing longer than i

mine are level 75+ with highest 80

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable doyou have them make the higgest level gear

[pine fiber]

I onetapped kruk on my first try, I overgeared and leveled myself

[atomic fable]

I have 3 on highest gear

[true hamlet]

your pusher doesn't have to be in jail 24/7, on top of that, ES can push with 3 gods easily since 1st pocket divinity is easy to unlock

[cold wraith]

prio player xp cogs

[atomic fable]

and 1 on the weaker gears as I can't do any others

[cerulean meteor]

nice, i didnt 1 tap him but i defeated him before he even healed i think

[cerulean meteor]

i have

[true hamlet]

so once you get snake, arctis and nobisect, you'd probably already start pushing

[cerulean meteor]

i waited till goat to push lol

[atomic fable]

and yes, I've been prioritising exp cogs

[cerulean meteor]

ah ok, maybe more than i either more priority or rng

[true hamlet]

ah I see, still didn't take that long I guess, seeing that it you still breezed past it

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable your people are worth more than any gear put two into the gear board next to build speed bonues cogs

[cerulean meteor]

yea. took me like 2-3 weeks iirc

[atomic fable]

Oh, so I should put the weaker gear ones back in build rate?

[true hamlet]

since I negelected it, now it's time to go back..

[cerulean meteor]

ig im the only one who updates my name frequently lol

[true hamlet]

I should probably do up to rift16 but I can't get myself to sit still until 5k skull points

[cerulean meteor]

i havent done rift yet, should i

[true hamlet]

I put in whatever my expected minimum progression is on autoreview

[true hamlet]

I'm planning to get it up to 16 to open up skill mastery I believe

I got the critter drone and infinite star signs

tar signs kinda useless since I haven't done a lot of breeding yet

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fableyes and one from the better gear also the gears get expontily longer to make 2 people is fine

[atomic fable]

Okay, so have 2 on the 3rd and 4th gear?

or just 2 on 4th

[glacial turtle]

2 only on 4th gear

[atomic fable]

Alright, this is going to be tricky as I can't boost everyone fully

[cerulean meteor]

idk what that is but thanks,

[atomic fable]

I'll leave my weakest 2 build rates to gear making

[glacial turtle]

thats fine there still more speed than any gear will do

[west ingot]

This is what the es lookin like

[true hamlet]

ah finally got new prints, took a while but I can definitely push it much much further

[versed ledge]

Anyone know why when I hold down on the seven strung jewels, I don’t get the jewel spinner? Nothing happens.

[true hamlet]

looks fine to me.. give it w4 strength potion and hp potion and you're good to go (me trying to ignore carrot horror)

[true hamlet]

it's at the lab

[glacial turtle]

at lab

[versed ledge]

Alright lemme try

[true hamlet]

you'll see a thing near the lab tubes

[versed ledge]

Still not working when I hold em down near lab, not even in a tube

Oh I’m a dimbass

[true hamlet]

oh, I thought you already used it

[glacial turtle]

show sceen shot of lab

[versed ledge]

It was already unlocked

[atomic fable]

Like this @glacial turtle?

[true hamlet]

ah.. ok

[open kite]

Is there rewards for doing the rifts

[true hamlet]

only your dks need to be on the board, the rest should keep building cogs

and holy your construction levels are a lot higher than mine

[glacial turtle]

@versed ledgesave the jewels you still need them

[atomic fable]

I only have 1 dk and with my other characters, I double my build rate right now

[true hamlet]

you just unlock new things like skill mastery, construction mastery, auto trap collection and stuff

[open kite]

thx

[true hamlet]

my construction 😭

[west ingot]

Active es is insane surely? Tornado fucks them up and with the talent that can cast a tornado with a basic attack surely es active is better than es afk?

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fableyep is that a 36% build rate red bottem right

[atomic fable]

I think I'll reset dk's skilling setup talents

to increase build rate

[solid zenith]

With wiki down is there a cooking recipes sheet or soomethingg

[atomic fable]

since I'm not at the fastest speed I can be

[true hamlet]

active is usually always better but ES is also the best afk pusher out of all the classes

[west ingot]

So do active when I can?

[true hamlet]

yeah..

[atomic fable]

Wait, if I don't stop my orange salt production

I'm going to lose the bonus entirely, do I turn off orange salt production?

[true hamlet]

Stop it if it leads to disaster

[tepid dune]

What should my bubbles be looking like I got like lv 20s on the important ones

[true hamlet]

just make sure your blue salts don't screw up your orange too

[true hamlet]

really depends, just keep pushing it

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable your fine you gotta remaber that build speed is alawys going you dont need to worry about it youve got plenty

[atomic fable]

I was about to run out of red salts, which would've costed me the +50% bonus from 1 of dk's talents

so I decided to disable orange salt production for now

[glacial turtle]

yea you gotta get the red flowing man

[atomic fable]

I'm trying, but I don't want to refine it early again

[west ingot]

?

[short kite]

Hmm can't make it past 110 in pet arena because the amount of projectiles crashes my phone... 😑

[tepid dune]

Where(area) do people usually get there 7th character?

[pine fiber]

do it on web?

or literally any other platform

[true hamlet]

nice, it went from early w4 to late w4

[short kite]

My PC would crash even harder

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable turn off orange until u get red fix and then u dont have to worry about it anymore

[atomic fable]

That's what I did, Once I rank up red, I should be able to keep it on

I still have 100 red salts, so I get x2 from the talent bonus

Is this worth getting to max?

[true hamlet]

yes.

[glacial turtle]

that works dont forget to use the instant refinery perk

[atomic fable]

I have used it about 2 minutes ago

which is 15 cycles

anyway, max the printer talent on tab 3?

[west ingot]

my pc just blue screened trying to play marvel rivals watching youtube and activing idleon

im trying again

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fablewell your just waiting for red to fill up then, if you can bonus sample size is lovely

[atomic fable]

Alright, I have 128 points, so I might as well try to reach 90% on dk as soon as possible?

[glacial turtle]

theres some more thing down the line that help with that also

[atomic fable]

True, like this talent

If I do a quick orb grind session, this will gain some bonus

[glacial turtle]

yep theres some w5 or w6 stuff too if im correct

[atomic fable]

Snce I don't have gaming unlocked rn, is this and the pickaxe my best bet?

since I think those are the only 2 skills that'd benefit me right now?

[glacial turtle]

split some between pick axe and fist, the fist is a

[atomic fable]

Okay, so I don't need the printer size until those 2 maxed?

I get your point, prioritise efficiency > printer size?

[glacial turtle]

do 40 in each

[atomic fable]

For tab 3, do I max the fist 1st?

[glacial turtle]

you have to remeber they give you less with each level so you want some of all of it

[open kite]

how low is the drop rate for rift tears? it feels like ive been stuck at 2/3 for ages

[atomic fable]

Okay, so 40, 40, remaining to print size?

[glacial turtle]

1 point in orb 1 in hand 1 in the top right slash perk and then mix of fist, pickaxe, and king perk

[iron otter]

For DK, does Super samples and King of the remembered count for all chars?

[atomic fable]

Oh, orb is useful even for skilling?

[glacial turtle]

gotta have orb to earn kills in the first place

[atomic fable]

I've built it up a little bit to 83

on my damage talent setup

while discussing it

[true hamlet]

technically, you need orb to unlock skill mastery in rift, does that make it good for skilling?

[atomic fable]

Okay, that's enough of a reason to have 1 point on it

it's going to be needed late game

[true hamlet]

mid game*

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable the king perk gives its bonus based on how many youve killed while orb is active so u need it

[atomic fable]

Alright, so like this?

[glacial turtle]

yea put rest in king

[atomic fable]

Alright

[true hamlet]

if you have only a few kills on orb, maybe it's not the best?

[atomic fable]

I do also have orb on my damage setup, but it works for now

[glacial turtle]

go to mushroom in w1 and lettem go hog

[atomic fable]

actually, this might be a good excuse to start working on getting the 1m milestone for mk

[glacial turtle]

dont forget to put them on the attack bar

[burnt vortex]

i need +10 levels on my talent book to get tenteyecle to 200. anyone know where i can push to get through this last stretch?

[atomic fable]

I have put it on the bar for skilling as well

[true hamlet]

equinox?

[burnt vortex]

ive hit a wall

[true hamlet]

same

I know sneaking mastery 3 is +5 but that's a far stretch

how about arctis?

[burnt vortex]

shit

im fucking dumb

i have rift slug and everything im tweaking 😭

ty man

[true hamlet]

😂

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fable forgot about the knight skill on the top left next skill point should go into that

[atomic fable]

Agh, mb

[burnt vortex]

all the +points have added up to the first point being worth 50 with maxed beyond m talent 😭 💀

[atomic fable]

I do have the orb skill on my damage setup anyway, so I can use that for the orb

[glacial turtle]

@atomic fableno i forgot not you

[atomic fable]

This is my setup for the damage one

[true hamlet]

don't sleep on the daggerang

[burnt vortex]

put one point in bottom right talent

[glacial turtle]

thats were it should it incease by mobs killed while orb is active

[true hamlet]

yeah, symbols of beyond needs 1 point

[atomic fable]

I've applied the 1 point now

[true hamlet]

daggerang helps with map clear

that's about it

[atomic fable]

I might as well get 1 point on the skulls one

[burnt vortex]

are talent book checkouts worth it for killroy?

i have a lot of candy

ladles are useless

[true hamlet]

I think so? I usually buy balls for my gambling

[atomic fable]

since the bottom right skill gives a free point

[burnt vortex]

and eggs im max rn

[burnt vortex]

bro buys the second worst thing 💀

[glacial turtle]

gaambling is good

[true hamlet]

I need my fun

I spent my gems on DB hood and I'm fully f2p

[glacial turtle]

200% golden ball gang

[atomic fable]

well, does vman need 1m total on world 1-3 monsters on any character?

[burnt vortex]

remember the 4x?

[true hamlet]

5x?

[burnt vortex]

deathnote

[atomic fable]

or do I have to do that portion with the maestro

[burnt vortex]

so all chars

[atomic fable]

Okay, so I can use my dk for that portion to build up it's orb

[burnt vortex]

i forgor shut up

[atomic fable]

I have over 700% mk in world 1 right now for frogs

[true hamlet]

yeah, start 1 skull on all then go for 2nd and 3rd and 4th and so on

[glacial turtle]

i dont think orb counts multi kill

[true hamlet]

it doesn't

[atomic fable]

It doesn't

[knotty narwhal]

Can you delete shiny pets from the breeding page or will it lose the benefits?

[white path]

You can trash

[atomic fable]

Okay, my lowest in it is wood mushrooms

[slow sky]

since wiki isn't loading can someone tell me what the second peapod pet is? I only know the corgi dog

[atomic fable]

so I'll start with that

idk how you found out you were late world 4

[true hamlet]

me?

[atomic fable]

yeah

[true hamlet]

map progression and account progression aren't the same

[knotty narwhal]

@white path Thanks, that's clutch.

[atomic fable]

true

[true hamlet]

you can probably make it to w6 with 1 or 2 stamp levels but that doesn't mean you're supposed to be there

[atomic fable]

Idk where I'm at in terms of the 2nd progression

[true hamlet]

try using scoli's autoreview tool

[knotty narwhal]

I never really messed with it so I wasn't sure. had the same ones on for a while now....

[atomic fable]

Oh, autoreview tool?

[true hamlet]

yeah

[atomic fable]

idk where that is

[true hamlet]

!review

[candid scarab]

https://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Scoli
If you need help, please use https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1174753262365315203

[true hamlet]

it can help you stamp out things that you may have missed and impedes your progression

[bronze moth]

i just got to the biggole worms map

[true hamlet]

stillsands?

[bronze moth]

i get 1.8k kills an hour is that enough

[true hamlet]

that's for you to decide isn't it?

[bronze moth]

ig

[true hamlet]

seems a little low

[bronze moth]

yeah I might need more defense since my hemoglobin isn't enough to keep survivability at 100%

[true hamlet]

in w4 and early to mid w5, always try hitting the killcap

[true hamlet]

w4 shop health potion

[atomic fable]

I'm still early world 3?!

[true hamlet]

there's people in w6 that has it at w2

[atomic fable]

I'm too far ahead, rip

[bronze moth]

ie isn't too good when you're pushing as someone else said in this chat

[true hamlet]

a big flex is having it say early w7 prep

[atomic fable]

Oh, wait, I'm not that far off somehow

[pallid ember]

i might just be missing it in the tips n tricks but is there a recent guide on worship?

[true hamlet]

autoreview just jelps you to find out if you're missing something crucial to progression

[bronze moth]

yeah

[atomic fable]

All I'm missing on early world 3 is achievements

and mid world 3 is bubbles

[true hamlet]

for things that are mainly QoL, you can skip them but for things like stamps and bubbles, start thinking about pushing them

[atomic fable]

Okay, so I'm almost mid w3

[bronze moth]

yeah that's my problem

[true hamlet]

just use it to find out what you are lacking so that you will be in a better spot

[atomic fable]

Am I not that far behind actually?

[true hamlet]

the number of things to do each step ramps up significantly

[atomic fable]

Early World 3 is just achievements

Mid World 3 is bubbles (Alchemy - umm, okay?)
Late world 3 is Combat Levels and Refinery (Okay, that's crutcial)

[true hamlet]

alchemy is crucial too

[bronze moth]

I can't pick this up

[pine fiber]

not even the card?

[true hamlet]

weird, those starting worship points don't like you

[bronze moth]

not even the card

[atomic fable]

So I'm technically mid world 3 minus achievements?

[true hamlet]

oh it could be the bugged thing if you didn't clear up to wave 10

[true hamlet]

yeah more or less

[bronze moth]

yeah i got stuck at wave 4

they have too much hp atm

[true hamlet]

then yeah, they don't exist

[bronze moth]

i need to upgrade my mage tower

[atomic fable]

I don't think it's that bad, bubbles, refinery, combat levels and achievements

[bronze moth]

BRUUUU

[atomic fable]

are all I'm missing for Early W4

[true hamlet]

work towards boulder roller

[true hamlet]

what kind of setup did you use to die at wave4 with such towers..

[bronze moth]

i even used bm 😭

[atomic fable]

Okay, I'll try completing the easier achievements

[true hamlet]

oh is it the stun guys?

I think that's wwhat wave 4 is right?

[bronze moth]

uhh

[true hamlet]

is it the wave with the yelow nuttos?

[bronze moth]

it's the small guys they are too fast for my towers

[true hamlet]

put 3 boulder rollers 1 after the other

4 or 5 would be better but you may not have the starting points

[atomic fable]

I'll do some of my easier achievements, see if I can get it to mid w3

[bronze moth]

my boulder roller

[true hamlet]

you need more starting points?

[bronze moth]

yeah mostly

[true hamlet]

try getting crab and the gelatinous cubiod vial

[atomic fable]

I have too much gold ore for 1 achievement 😭

[true hamlet]

then do wthe wakawaka war for the card with starting points

[true hamlet]

yeah, that's quite the pain

[bronze moth]

yeah I have wakawaka war card so next time when my worship charges up i need to put those cards on

[true hamlet]

crab and tongue vial?

[bronze moth]

yeah i need those

[true hamlet]

crab is 5 points per level, tongue is 11 points per level

[bronze moth]

i do have crabs and tongues

[edgy leaf]

Idleon wiki not working?

!critters

Does w5 colo drop owl critters?

[true hamlet]

what about critters

I doubt

[edgy leaf]

I need owl critters fast

Idk if it's w4 or w5

[true hamlet]

I think it was the beetles

[edgy leaf]

Or w3

What

[true hamlet]

Probably not w3? that might be pingy

[edgy leaf]

Where

Does idleon wiki work for u?

[atomic fable]

Oh it's asking for the ez access achievements...

[true hamlet]

it's down isn't it? that what lava said

[shy ruin]

its w1

[brave crater]

I’ve been trying to get all my stamps and I realized I DONT HAVE TOMAHAWK STAMP

[shy ruin]

aren't the owl critters in the big tree

[shy ruin]

tomahawk tuah

[brave crater]

Brev

[edgy leaf]

No I meant which colo they drop

I need them fast

[true hamlet]

people use colo to push out critters and souls fast early on

[edgy leaf]

Yes

[true hamlet]

especially w5 colo for frigid souls if frosty is too hard

[bronze moth]

LET'S GOOOO

[shy ruin]

i dont think they drop from colo

[edgy leaf]

I need to unlock pingy fast

[shy ruin]

pingy drops from w4

[edgy leaf]

They do the normal ones I think

[edgy leaf]

But I need shiny ones

[true hamlet]

silkskin?

[shy ruin]

you can only get them from the actual trapping

[edgy leaf]

Ye that's why I need to unlock them

I need 900more owl

[shy ruin]

don't you also need shiny owls to progress

[edgy leaf]

On task

I have shiny already

But not enough owl

[shy ruin]

howd you get the shinies before the base critters

[next void]

Dick, r u a mod? Or high ranking in this discord?

[atomic fable]

I'm not even close with mid world 3 completion...

[shy ruin]

no

[edgy leaf]

I got 200 owl andv 8 shiny with all my traps

[shy ruin]

im a regular member just check my roles

[edgy leaf]

1hr traps

[next void]

Awesome name lmao…

[shy ruin]

that's crazy

how'd you get so lucky

[bronze moth]

FINALLY

[edgy leaf]

Ikr it's been like that everytime

[charred bone]

using silkskin u got guaranteed shinies and small amount of base crits

[edgy leaf]

Ohhh

[shy ruin]

really?

[charred bone]

yes i think artleast 1shiny from 1 trap or 2

[shy ruin]

i've only been getting shiny frogs nothing lese

[edgy leaf]

Where does owl critters drop in colo? Like which world colo

[atomic fable]

wait, I think I missed only 1 bubble for mid w3 completion

Le Brain tools (10% milestone)

[bronze moth]

is it ok to unlock almost all buildings (till atom collider) in mid w4

[edgy leaf]

I'm in w6 and my progress is mid w2

[charred bone]

u dont have drone yet?

[edgy leaf]

I have all except atoms

[shy ruin]

no i don't get guaranteed shinies

i didn't get any today

and all my traps are silkskin traps

[bronze moth]

dang what

[true hamlet]

that's what I said haha

[charred bone]

i misinterpreted it i meant to say higher shiny chance xD it still depends on you BM and cards shiny chance

[true hamlet]

Yeah, if you need base critters, pair it with critter nomnoms

[atomic fable]

Randomdude, turns out I was 1 bubble short

[true hamlet]

wait no that's shiny too right?

[atomic fable]

for mid w3 completion - LE brain tools

I leveled that up now, so that's tier 1

[charred bone]

u can save atom for later, focus on building u can currently use

[bronze moth]

without minding achievements I have minimum zone of late w3

[atomic fable]

My vials are early w5 tier

by the autoreview

[bronze moth]

goddam

my best vial is a pink vial

[gleaming trout]

whats the best w3 spot for splicing?

[atomic fable]

So for me to escape early w3, I need to do the catching minigame

and the ez access achievements

[edgy leaf]

https://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/?player=shin9s&overwhelmed=off&auhttps://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/?player=shin9s&overwhelmed=off&autoloot=off&doot=off&riftslug=off&sheepie=off&order_tiers=off&hide_completed=off&hide_informational=off&hide_unrated=off&progress_bars=on&handedness=off&light=null

Check my ie

[shy ruin]

isn't it usually the place where you get the most kills per hour? or have i got splicing completely wrong

[edgy leaf]

Check

[atomic fable]

Should I buy the liquid cauldrons on the gem shop

for the increased regen rate

on the autoreview, it's ss tier for 1

[shrewd silo]

I have a buncha gems what should I use em on?

[atomic fable]

Should I get at least 1 of these?

on the auto-review, it's on SS tier

[shrewd silo]

i forgot auto review was a thing

[atomic fable]

Should I get the SS ones out the way early?

which for me would be this (1/4) and the richelin kitchen (1)

It's 750 gems total for both

[charred bone]

all 4 is recommended, alchemy goes a long way

[atomic fable]

Alright

idk why I haven't bought at least 1 sooner tbh

[indigo stratus]

What mid game setup would someone recommend for beastmaster/vman prints?

[atomic fable]

water has been quite a bottleneck for me the past week

[sudden wadi]

no point on buying all 4 right now

buy 2 for now and the rest later

[atomic fable]

If I get the 2nd water one, I can't get richelin kitchen

I have 675 gems

[bronze moth]

https://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/?player=cacaxaxa&overwhelmed=off&autoloot=off&doot=off&riftslug=off&sheepie=off&order_tiers=off&hide_completed=off&hide_informational=off&hide_unrated=off&progress_bars=off&handedness=off&light=null#achievements this is me ie review

[atomic fable]

do I get the kitchen one later?

and prioritise the 2nd one

[sudden wadi]

the second water isnt used at much so get the kitchen first

[atomic fable]

Alright

Okay, got the 1st one in the kitchen

I should now save up for the 2nd water, right?

or go for something like card slots (which is on S tier by auto review)

[sudden wadi]

card slots are more important

[atomic fable]

alright, so that > 2nd water boost?

[indigo stratus]

Water will become much easier once you can active bubo

[sudden wadi]

you could skip the second water for now

[atomic fable]

Alright

[sudden wadi]

the third water is more used then the second one and id wait till you get the third one and just buy both

[atomic fable]

Alright, good to know

btw, I might not escape early w3 😦

because I'm bad at the catching minigame sorta

[sudden wadi]

wdym?

[atomic fable]

The only thing I have left by auto review for early w3

[bronze moth]

achievements part of ie review is so annoying because if I just finished that I would be at a good minimum max zone

[atomic fable]

is achievements

[bronze moth]

rn i'm at early w3 to mid w4

[sudden wadi]

bro i dont think i even have that

[bronze moth]

i need to prioritize acorn assault for the achievements

royal sampler

[atomic fable]

Do you think I can ignore achievements when considering progression?

[indigo stratus]

You can still push w3 though? O.o

[bronze moth]

yeah, achievements are just QoL

[indigo stratus]

Absolutely

[bronze moth]

the achievements are ez-access and that stuff

[atomic fable]

Okay, in that situation, I'm late w3 as I fixed the last bubble for mid w3

[bronze moth]

yeah rn if I ignore achievements I'm at late w3 to mid w4 which is pretty good

[atomic fable]

I'll try to clean up achievements overtime, but it's not critical

[bronze moth]

this is the only thing I have for late w3

[indigo stratus]

Push to w4 and get those elite classes ~ it'll become much easier with mob respawn skills.

[atomic fable]

Same with combat level

but I have a refinery problem

Oh, it's just I've not unlocked green salts

[bronze moth]

as long as you print more than is required for that salt or you keep the salt requirements of each salt below the previous one you're fine

idk how to explain it

[atomic fable]

Yoo! I actually got this perfectly

[bronze moth]

mining levels are suprisingly ez

[zenith hare]

murder

[bronze moth]

bru

[zenith hare]

oh noes

[atomic fable]

Ignore the -1 here for green and purple, I don't have them unlocked

[zenith hare]

this bit is what matters fyi

make sure its all positive

[atomic fable]

For mine meme, Red is 0

[bronze moth]

whats the 3rd setting that automation arm gives you

[zenith hare]

as long as it is, youre doing fine

[atomic fable]

But it's not negative

[zenith hare]

0 isnt positive

[atomic fable]

yeah, but at least it isn't negative either

[bronze moth]

the automatic food consumption is a lifesaver for pushing

[zenith hare]

its bad, just could be worse :p

[atomic fable]

I'm working on trying to fix it

[bronze moth]

brooo 😭

[zenith hare]

woop woop

[bronze moth]

how the absolute hell do I have -16 😭

[atomic fable]

You have blue ranked up too much

[zenith hare]

blue is over leveled

[atomic fable]

that orange cannot keep up

[bronze moth]

hmm

[zenith hare]

orange needs like 8 ranks

[atomic fable]

Simialr to how red can only JUST keep up with orange

[zenith hare]

which means red needs like 15

[bronze moth]

ok lemme stop blue synthesis rq

[atomic fable]

Once I get the next rank up on red, I'll be fine

[bronze moth]

yeah these are my current ranks

[atomic fable]

That explains it, at base, you lose -2 orange per cycle

Yours costs 10 orange salts per cycle

[zenith hare]

smh

[bronze moth]

imma try to get first 2 salts ranked up as much as I can so i have positive

[atomic fable]

so, is my situation able to be fixed by just waiting for the rank up on red salts?

[bronze moth]

my situation needs tons of rank ups

[atomic fable]

Okay, I know what's going on - I can't level up orange again until tier 10 red salts I think

right?

[bronze moth]

i need to get my red salts to rank 15 which is gonna be a long job

otherwise, i feel like my account is doing pretty ok in terms of my progression

[atomic fable]

gmush, is my situation not that bad?

[true hamlet]

Have you all bought the merit shop upgrade?

[atomic fable]

with only red salts not being positive

[bronze moth]

yeah not bad compared to me 😭

[bronze moth]

yeah pretty sure i did

[atomic fable]

Is mine just fixed by 1 rank up on red salts?

[true hamlet]

ah idk

[bronze moth]

!refinery

[candid scarab]

The refinery will produce salts on a cycle as long as you have the required materials in your chest when the timer hits 0. In order to increase the rank of a salt in the refinery, you have to let your power bar for the salt completely fill before refining.

[bronze moth]

how do i show that one diagram thing

[atomic fable]

Is refinery speed worth it

to try to reduce how long I'm salt locked for

[true hamlet]

always get refinery speed up

[atomic fable]

Alright

+12% -> +16% on salt lick

[bronze moth]

rn i'm still producing a pretty decent amount of orange salts so at least my deficit isn't that bad

[atomic fable]

I have 1.77k orange salts, that prevents blue salt lock for now

[true hamlet]

sorry, had to steal from somewhere

the forbidden lands

[atomic fable]

randomdude, I have 7, 4, 2

[bronze moth]

way less than other salts tho (except green, I just unlocked that)

i produce like 2k red salts and 1.5k blue salts while my orange salts are at like 291

[true hamlet]

just consult the table

[atomic fable]

in terms of refinery ranks

Did I badly mess up here? (I just need 1 more rank on red salts refinery before I'm no longer salt locked)

[true hamlet]

should be fine

[bronze moth]

i need multiple ranks to keep up with my blue salts

[true hamlet]

salt locked is a problem that is well known, the other one that is lesser known that affects w3-6 progress is soul locked

[bronze moth]

red needs 11 ranks, orange needs 4 ranks and my blue salt is fine

[atomic fable]

So I've not messed up really, just softlocked orange salts for a bit?

[true hamlet]

kinda, happens sometimes

the worst feeling is being soul locked

[atomic fable]

My red salt production is exactly = to orange salt requirements

[bronze moth]

true

[true hamlet]

it's the reason many people can't access anvil tab 4 or better mage weapons

[bronze moth]

i think I was soul locked for a few days before I finally got good sources of desert souls (idk)

[atomic fable]

Did I mess up with my red salts being equal to orange?

[bronze moth]

now I'm stuck at rooted souls

[atomic fable]

causing a partial softlock

I can still make blue salts, so I'm not completely stuck

[true hamlet]

it's easy to rectify salt problems early on, use the table above and aim for one of it

[true hamlet]

that's the easier lock to get past..

by far

the worst is yet to come

[bronze moth]

[atomic fable]

I should be fine as long as I can fix the red salts before I can't make blue / green ones anymore?

[true hamlet]

you don't want to know how difficult it is to get a good frosty firefight run

[bronze moth]

i almost can afford an ice hammer

i just need levels and 13k more ice cubes

[true hamlet]

That's the last tier of cheap weapons 😂

[bronze moth]

bro stop scaring me 😭

[atomic fable]

I've not been able to make it to ice weapons yet

[bronze moth]

i saw how expensive the void weapons are

and how expensive w4 tab in general is

[true hamlet]

to be fair, lustre sword is still fine

lava had fun adding salts to every recipe

[sudden wadi]

quick question @atomic fable why are you early w3 if your in w4?

[true hamlet]

autoreview

map progression is very different from general progression

it's easy to ignore everything and continue pushing worlds but having foundation is important

the "Early W3" is a guage for the general progression

[sudden wadi]

tbh i never used auto reviewer

so even tho im in late w6 i could be w4 for all i know

[true hamlet]

I use it so I don't forget that some things exist 😂

I'm pretty early w6

time to use DB to do 5k skull points

[atomic fable]

Only thing preventing mid w3 for me is achievements

[bronze moth]

yeahhh same

[atomic fable]

and once alchemy is fixed, Late w3

I'm not too far behind w4 in account progression

[true hamlet]

Nice!

[atomic fable]

Nice!

[true hamlet]

Equinox is great

[shy ruin]

i got there 10 seconds after entering the map

[true hamlet]

yeah, I got there pretty quick too

equinox is good if you can complete the tasks

[shy ruin]

i currently have zero greenstacks

time to buy all the cheap items in the shops woooo

[true hamlet]

welcome to the equinox

[sudden wadi]

how did you get DB with 40M damage? or did you switch to skilling tab or somthing?

[atomic fable]

Okay, so sigils should be left till world 6 by auto review

[true hamlet]

You'd be even more surprised if I told you I got it at lvl 220 at 15m damage xD

[sudden wadi]

dont touch sigils even in w6 for a very long time

[atomic fable]

Oh, it'd heavily slow down alchemy basically?

[sudden wadi]

must of taken you ages

[true hamlet]

nah, I've only been p laying for about 7 weeks, 3 days to go from 1st map to trolls

[sudden wadi]

not really just a waste of time which ramps up quickly if you just wait

[atomic fable]

Oh, fair enough, I'll avoid sigils then

[sudden wadi]

thats still ages

[true hamlet]

it is, but I fell asleep and it happened so

[sudden wadi]

fair enough

[atomic fable]

Should I try to target bubbles that are low level by the easy bubbles section of auto review?

since I fixed mid w3's barrier

[true hamlet]

target every bubble you think makes sense to level

[sudden wadi]

focus fmj and shaq

[true hamlet]

up to early w6, go for damage, then go skilling, then back to damage after like skydoggies or something

[atomic fable]

I got utility bubbles to tier 2 since I needed only 1 more level on 1 purple bubble

Okay, I have to work on stamps once I enter Early W4

Okay, auto-review recommends me to go for vman at Early World 5

[sudden wadi]

vman is kinda hard to get in world 4 just becuase of the hours it takes to get his requirments

[atomic fable]

true, probably why it recommends early w5

[remote socket]

which meals should i give ribbons?

[sudden wadi]

cooking speed

[atomic fable]

Okay, so I need to really work on my mman skills

and not lab jail it

[zenith hare]

gold food%

TD points

[atomic fable]

Once I get my 8th character, I should free the maesto, right?

[zenith hare]

gold food get highest tier, TD second highest, then whatever for you

[zenith hare]

mman should only really be in there until you can get kbs with him not there

[sudden wadi]

i doubt they can benefit from any of that (well the TD points maybe)

[zenith hare]

you do know that the gold food% plate is basically the best plate in the game?

and to get ribbons, you need w6

or at least the ribbon menu

as you need the DB upgrade

its literally 2x bonuses to all my gold food

and i have a low ribbon rn

[atomic fable]

my mman only has 1/6 skills that are higher level

as of right now

[zenith hare]

and you should aim for more

[fossil hatch]

No

Me and Ludwig already proved that wrong

[zenith hare]

do you really get access to it that early on?

[fossil hatch]

I bought ribbons from the shop before I even clicked on the quest

[atomic fable]

that's why I was considering freeing my maestro once I unlock the 8th character

[fossil hatch]

When bought from shop, they show up

Even without db

[atomic fable]

because if I free it right now, I can't get no bubble left behind

[fossil hatch]

Now brb, my dog is barking a lot : )

[zenith hare]

might as well make doot w1-4 atp :p

[zenith hare]

...why?

[atomic fable]

I need 6 characters to reach it

[zenith hare]

oh right early w4

[atomic fable]

and I only have 7 characters

[zenith hare]

nblb is only needed to be on by daily reset

even if you connect it a minute before

[atomic fable]

true, but it shuts off everything

because of the way I ordered it

[zenith hare]

you can just swap mman with last in line

[atomic fable]

Alright, I'll do that

[fossil hatch]

Unless they changed it, that’s how it was when the update dropped

[atomic fable]

Wait, that's a lot more room than I thought

[sleek stone]

Wiki still not work?

[atomic fable]

but see the issue with the way I set it up?

[fossil hatch]

Oh shit 😯 I still need to check on my alt account that’s been sitting in lab for a couple months now XD

[sleek stone]

Damn

[atomic fable]

the issue is my maestro is linked to the refinery speed as well

Okay, fixed it

[fossil hatch]

Haven’t started pushing w4 at all

Been sitting in there forever XD

[atomic fable]

Level 50 lab, nice

[fossil hatch]

Lul lul

Time to hop back on my alt account

[fossil hatch]

I have several accounts higher then that

I just speed ran pushed that account, and didn’t care for it after that

So I just threw that account into lab and left it there 😂

[atomic fable]

Do I active my maestro for skill exp or hunter for elite classes

[zenith hare]

or both