midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[fallen ridge]

also I don't think I can buy laboratory bling from jade emporium by 13th march

[woeful karma]

i know your pain
at least its not that bad lol

tho it definitely is a time gate lol

[slim mantle]

Is it really pain for u tho? U take everything slow anyway

[woeful karma]

i think i have 2 4* remaining
watiing for a good card from a free cardpack or something

[rain scroll]

ima go retry once im rdy setting bubo up

[woeful karma]

very little stuff has an actual wall where i am just wating on something without progressing at the least

im alwasy striving for something

besides
that was something i did back in W1 so it definitely was a very small time gate lol

[slim mantle]

This game has insanely many time gates

[faint willow]

Do lava teasers mean an update is near?

[fallen ridge]

kinda, if u have that by 13th march u can buy a card doubler

[woeful karma]

Ooo hell yeah new GB shop

[rain scroll]

how do we get this?

[fallen ridge]

W1 bosses

[rain scroll]

baba yaga?

[forest portal]

poop or house

[slim mantle]

It does affect the rotation a bit

[fallen ridge]

and poop

[forest portal]

icic

[faint willow]

wrong talent

but same how to get

[pine fiber]

how big of an upgrade is the vman enhancement for bm? for breeding

[slim mantle]

Not worth to active bm

[pine fiber]

can I just leave him as afk tho?

[fallen ridge]

good later on, kinda useless if u are not late game

[pine fiber]

ah I see, I kinda need to unlock territories still and my pets are garbo

[slim mantle]

Some weeks the 2nd chip in rotation is different based on having that jade emporium upgrade. Idk why

[fallen ridge]

u need to stack a shit ton of faster respawn to make it work
P.S. and crystal chance

[pine fiber]

and I was saving up my library checkouts for vman 😭

[slim mantle]

The enhancement is active only. Its really not worth ur active time

[pine fiber]

toolbox shows all the rotations

https://idleontoolbox.com/account/world-4/laboratory?t=Chips+And+Jewels+Rotation

[slim mantle]

Wiki

[pine fiber]

if that was the question

[rain scroll]

do u think ill be able to reach the w6 jewels by march?im rn at crop matrix(need to buy)

[slim mantle]

It means 1 is for ppl without the jade emporium upgrade and the other for those with

I don't trust in that too much anymore. Idk if fixed now but for quite some time atleast IT mixed it up and showed the opposite rotation

[fallen ridge]

u should, u have 2 months to multiply your jade gain by a milion (more or less)
unless u are stuck somewhere in sneaking

[rain scroll]

in a bit ill tell how much my new cd and run

[deft current]

Is there a list for the best pet spice linup?

[buoyant hinge]

Hey guys i have a question how do you make an new account

[slim mantle]

top pin for example

[rain scroll]

also i can make some new meals as i got 1 new spice now and +1 spice more soon

[slim mantle]

just create a new one on a new email

[buoyant hinge]

Gotcha

[fallen ridge]

I'm at 6 and I can barely make Bs of jade, does jade gains ramp up this much?

[slim mantle]

my sneaking is

[fading rune]

I hate sneaking

[rain scroll]

im at 10 or smthn and i stillmake B

30B-500B

[fallen ridge]

I need to go from Bs to QQs in 2 months, I don't think it is possible

[rain scroll]

everything is possible dont lose hope

[slim mantle]

why not, 2 months is long

[rain scroll]

like me i also wont lose hope

[cold wraith]

occido how does the 300 bosses work

[buoyant hinge]

Hey occido when i try to make a new account it just log's me in my current account

[cold wraith]

is it 300 or gems or 300 boss kills

[fading rune]

kill them

its 300 boss kills

[cold wraith]

is it still possivle to get gems after those 300

[fading rune]

gems at all or gems from bosses?

[fallen ridge]

(from what I am aware of) 300 bosses each day can drop gems

[vestal ether]

@cold wraith shouldn't you be asleep?

[slim mantle]

try logging out again then

[cold wraith]

ok js making sure

[cold wraith]

ive been awake since two hours ago

[buoyant hinge]

Ok brb

[rain scroll]

hi bro

[fading rune]

Occido is official helper

[cold wraith]

wsg man

[vestal ether]

Also, is there a strategy to rift 2? Or is the strategy just "git gud"? I haven't found any tears so far except my own.

[rain scroll]

im nub.

[fallen ridge]

yesterday for example I got 214 gems from bosses (with V-man)

[cold wraith]

es drops

[slim mantle]

https://occido5.github.io/memes/GitGud.png

[fallen ridge]

ES has the highest drop rate

other than that
git gud

[vestal ether]

That's what I'm using... nuffin so far

Rip

[fading rune]

Is it drop 3 items?

[vestal ether]

Yeah

[shy ruin]

that's crazy

[fading rune]

You literally just wait lol and come bac and it'll be done

[buoyant hinge]

Bro is still not working occido

[shy ruin]

your minimum damage is 1000 times my max damage

[vestal ether]

For like hours on end? And hope that in one of those hours you get the 3 drops?

[rain scroll]

its ok im in w6 thats why

[fading rune]

You are doing it active right?

[rain scroll]

people in w6 are crazy good except me

[vestal ether]

Yeah

[slim mantle]

since it looks like ur on mobile this may help https://www.reddit.com/r/idleon/comments/mhid3b/change_account_how/

[honest reef]

Are there gna be multiple new caverns or just 1

[fading rune]

Give it 30 mins and it should be done

[shy ruin]

im finding it difficult to progress through w4

[rain scroll]

oo update tomorrow maybe

[fading rune]

Eventually, multiple. Dunno if they all come at once or one at a time tho

[fallen ridge]

I usually do that in like 20m maximum

[rain scroll]

its ok takes some time u will get through it

[shy ruin]

survivability is kinda low

[honest reef]

For now it just seems like 1

[fading rune]

W4 is the first real slog tbh

[shy ruin]

how can i improve that

[fallen ridge]

cave 11-15 probably, we are not gonna see it anytime soon

[honest reef]

Cuz grimoire text and skulls have similar vibes

[vestal ether]

Its already been 30 and i haven't seen one....

[slim mantle]

roadmap has caverns 11-15 and caverns 16-20 so should be 5 at once

[shy ruin]

oh yeah food

should i buy food slots from gem shop or wait till i have more w3 merit points

[buoyant hinge]

Thx bro

Occido

[fallen ridge]

one should be either a tree or a pond of fish in the next 5

[slim mantle]

yes

[rain scroll]

sheesh im too behind on hole ill not have any new content available

[slim mantle]

imagine: a pond of fish with a little island in the middle where gollum lives

[rain scroll]

my base cd is 42k now @fading rune

-4k secs

[astral lava]

On what?

[slim mantle]

but for those not slacking off the caverns expansion is long overdue :p

[fallen ridge]

me too, I'm gonna unlock justice in 2 days
it's gonna take 2 weeks to get new ones

[rain scroll]

i will reach the mushroom tomorrow

[vestal ether]

Should i raise my base DR on my ES before attempting rift 2? Or just leave it running active for hours?

[rain scroll]

cranium

[rain scroll]

it takes not more than 30 mins

[slim mantle]

more dmg for more portal kills probably helps more

[vestal ether]

But i already failed once

[fading rune]

How? Did you buy opals?

[rain scroll]

no im way behind

[astral lava]

Rift drops doesn't get affected by droprate right?

[fading rune]

Whoops, meant for fran

[dense egret]

!gear

[candid scarab]

Gear Recommendations

[slim mantle]

yes it does

[fallen ridge]

he invested everything in explorer

[vestal ether]

Probably... I'm at 11 mil but portal creatures are still tough

[fallen ridge]

I bought "only" the 1.25 from event, 0 things from gem shop nor arcade

[brazen mica]

What's the accessories for the Hyperion nebula gear guide, the ring and the other thang with thr bunch of eyes

[vestal ether]

K. I did barely pass rift 1 so that makes sense

[errant hinge]

So I unlocked every spice, on which spice meta should I focus? The current meta with atomic NBLB?

[fallen ridge]

I don't know if there is some bundle that gives xtimes villager xp/h but I didn't bought any of them if they exist

[rain scroll]

ok 160k to this lol nice

[slim mantle]

1.5x

[astral lava]

Good

[fading rune]

Danggggggg 268k nice

[rain scroll]

and remaining cd 30k

[astral lava]

It should be 300k next time

[fading rune]

What is your cooking cranium bubble?

[rain scroll]

so i got 12k cd cc duration

120

[fallen ridge]

with 11M she could make it to trapper vacuum

[simple fable]

Shrine limit?

[fading rune]

Only 120? You getting carried by crystal spawn then?

[fallen ridge]

level limit? none

[simple fable]

no how many can I place

[astral lava]

Construction lv? Yes

[simple fable]

across how many maps

[rain scroll]

u can place all in 1 map

[zenith hare]

1 in one map

[astral lava]

U mean what are the effects and how they get leveled?

[zenith hare]

you can't place multiple of the same shrine

you can place all shrines in one map though

[rain scroll]

hi bean

[fallen ridge]

u can place them all in one map,or spread them out, there are no restriction;
but the buffs are applied only in the map they are placed, unless some buffs says otherwise

[astral lava]

Sup Beanie

[rain scroll]

+1 bubble

[simple fable]

I know that, can I put the same shrine on multiple maps

if I activate them with multiple chars

[zenith hare]

I said no you cant

[astral lava]

no

[simple fable]

aite

so it's 1 shrine, just whatever map I choose

[fallen ridge]

I wasn't spoilering stuff

[slim mantle]

soon™️

[astral lava]

I would only do it for ||Vman||

[rain scroll]

ima just wait ig

last kitchen time!

[slim mantle]

cheap

[fading rune]

Wheres your money been

[rain scroll]

noice

im poor rly didnt i show u my gmush earlier

[slim mantle]

not me no

[fading rune]

uh oh let me check mine

[slim mantle]

I'm poor too tbh, I have over double the clammie kills than I do gmush

[rain scroll]

i showed arctis

[fading rune]

ok mine not so bad

[rain scroll]

mine is trash 48%!

infinity and 0 same time 🙂

1 new recipe!

rn

[fading rune]

so your speed is fire but you dont have up to w6 spices yet?

your account is so weird

[rain scroll]

i have 2 w6 area unlocked

[slim mantle]

his speed is

[rain scroll]

i got 1st w6 spice but didnt get 2 w5 spice

[fading rune]

Compared to mine its not

[fallen ridge]

time to show mine

[slim mantle]

but in cooking terms it's rlly low :p

[lucid fog]

Haven't killed gmush ever since I got it to eclipse skull

[rain scroll]

new speed

[lucid fog]

Try to start recipe without a spice for a hidden achievement

[fading rune]

I only have 365m gmush, only one SB on it right

[rain scroll]

iv done that

[lucid fog]

Aight

It was a pretty cool achievement to find ngl

[rain scroll]

yea

[astral lava]

Can the "my first chemistry" lab mainframe gets affected by pure opal or spelunker?

[lucid fog]

Thought I'd also get a secret meal lol

[fading rune]

When do you even do gmush

[astral lava]

When ur kph is above 1m

[fallen ridge]

I don't think it does

[astral lava]

Do some and then leave it

[lucid fog]

When you can eclipse skull

Mobs

[fallen ridge]

I'm doing gmush on hunter (since he is almost useless) to farm bars

[fading rune]

[slim mantle]

I haven't done gmush since hole 😦

[fading rune]

yeah all my chars in bravery rn

[slim mantle]

mine in justice

[gilded galleon]

Alrighty really nooby of me but I can't seem to get any souls from clash of cans. I've hit upto level 7... at what point do I start getting souls?

[fallen ridge]

wave 10

[zenith hare]

10 usually

[gilded galleon]

Damn, any tips to get to wave 10 using upto kraken tower?

[rain scroll]

all meals lv 31 done

[lucid fog]

All my chars cept vman is just eclipsing mobs. Planning to eclipse all the way to w6

[zenith hare]

what are the tower levels

[slim mantle]

thats what u have candy for, rather afk in hole

[zenith hare]

cause you're the first case of me hearing someone fail clash of cans

[lucid fog]

I also just afk for it cus I get mob drops for vials

!weeklyboss

[candid scarab]

Want the W2 Weekly Boss kill strategies? Of course you do. You can head to https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1157094107085283428 and read the pins.

Want to know the strategies for future weeks too? Check out the Google Sheet made by Roronoa Zoro and DiamondDoge.

[rain scroll]

1 new spice = 2 more meals!

[slim mantle]

candy also drops mob mats

[gilded galleon]

2 (i don't use this tower)
21
15
12
9
2
1

[fallen ridge]

what's your last spice?

I need that essence gain

[zenith hare]

start leveling up pois btw

also use boulders.

mix in 1/2 kraken due to low level

[gilded galleon]

I haven't got poisen yet waiting for it to build (i think it might be the next one)

[lucid fog]

Ye but I can only candy on one char at a time. And I'm lazy, so afk is the better option for me

[rain scroll]

i have till uhh i have spirit field spice but no wurm spice and bamboo i dont have spice too

[slim mantle]

hole can't be candied, mobs can, there is a clear victor for which should get true afk time 🙂

[fallen ridge]

ok I'm at the same point (same spice, but I haven't unlocked W6 ones yet)

[rain scroll]

oo

uhh

[fallen ridge]

@fading rune time to use some of the 6k ladles: I need new plates and I gave blood marrow almost 50lvs

[rain scroll]

whats ur blood marrow level?

how much bonus u got on ur vman?

[fallen ridge]

234

1.15M

[rain scroll]

mine

[rain scroll]

1m srsly?

or 1150m?

[rain scroll]

u just need meal levels

[brazen mica]

man I am surely doing something wrong, bloach is so so difficult for me to get..I only get like 50 per hour

[rain scroll]

i should book mine

[fallen ridge]

it's kinda normal

[slim mantle]

depending on where ur at 50 is good

[brazen mica]

how tf am I supposed to get dementia armor dawg

[rain scroll]

why is there such a huge difference in 1.04^2020 and 1.08^2020

[brazen mica]

oh wait its the weapons that require bloach

[rain scroll]

1.08^2020 is like 10^33 times larger than my current

[slim mantle]

it's not like u need dementia armor, if it's not easy to make for u just don't make it

[brazen mica]

true

[pliant fractal]

Is that a serious question

[fallen ridge]

I hate cooking at this point: it's press a few ladles per plate, then go back to the first one since they became 1 ladles again

[rain scroll]

no its just i never thought abt it lol .04 extra and its 10^33 times larger wow

[pliant fractal]

Also it isn't 1.04
It's 1.0104

[fallen ridge]

because exponential works like this

[zenith hare]

he bad

[zenith hare]

that's what exponentials do

it gets VERY large, VERY fast

bigger the starting point the faster

[fading rune]

maff

[chrome harness]

Guys do you have any tips for me I’m kind of stuck in w3 around the frozen cave part

The enemy’s become very strong

Like they can kill me in 30 secs

[fading rune]

Which one?

[chrome harness]

The first frozen cave thing

I forgot the enemy there

[fading rune]

?

[chrome harness]

I think so

[fading rune]

Are you using food ?

[chrome harness]

Yea

But one of my problems to is the damage my damage

[fading rune]

So your food goes on cooldown and then you die?

[chrome harness]

But the problem is I go afk a lot like a lot

So when I come back the food ran out a long time ago so I don’t get much

[fading rune]

Active afk? Then if you food runs out then you're screwed anyway

[chrome harness]

No not active

[fading rune]

If you can't survive active afk, then just go full afk and you'll get the whole kills and xp.

Do you have fmj bubble in alchemy?

[chrome harness]

Wait I forgot I will check

Wait it is updating I don’t play on mobile a lot but what armor should I use in w3

[fading rune]

Amarok, w1 boss one

[chrome harness]

Ok

And just to make sure the weapon I should use it the ice hammer thing right?

[covert wigeon]

how many kph is recommended to push w4? i need help

[fading rune]

If you can yeah

[fading rune]

Do you have killer brightside from lab?

[covert wigeon]

yea i can put all my other characters on it

[vital bay]

i just got dk and bm, what talents should spend points on

[fading rune]

No specific kph imo - just if you're happy with the progress..

Something like 10% of portal per hour or something

[chrome harness]

Yes

[covert wigeon]

oh tysm

[fading rune]

Level it more, use w3 stones on amarok armor

[chrome harness]

Ok it’s lvl 23 now

[fading rune]

Have you done owl and roo?

[chrome harness]

Yes

[fading rune]

Are you using w3 food?

[chrome harness]

Yea

[fading rune]

Ok - doesn't sound like you're behind at all, If you have ie or it, I can check it out

[chrome harness]

Gtg bye

[slim mantle]

doing a cc now, as u can see I start with 34k seconds cd, will update when it finishes

[fading rune]

No guild? too chad for bonuses?

[slim mantle]

I just don't display guilds

[fading rune]

Didnt know that was a thing lol

[dense egret]

Could you check mine and tell me how bad I'm doing

[fading rune]

Sure

[slim mantle]

after cc

[fading rune]

One day I'll get there

[dense egret]

https://zeffisdeaf.idleonefficiency.com

[zenith hare]

4 second when

[hexed shoal]

I failed a 50% in divinity 😦

[fading rune]

You dont want unlimited cc, you'll get stuck forever

[slim mantle]

lets see, carry the 1 euhm, ages from now

[fading rune]

You're just into W4?

[dense egret]

Ye

[slim mantle]

that's what u get for doing 50%, ur not supposed to do that

[hexed shoal]

Got 100% after that tho

[slim mantle]

would have gotten that with the left option too

[fading rune]

I'll try to be nice

[dense egret]

You don't have to be give it to me straight

Ik it's bad

[hexed shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/im-afraid-thats-not-an-option-greg-miller-wentworth-im-telling-you-what-to-do-this-is-an-order-gif-23010023

[dim pollen]

Guys, i want to Checkout a vip book (American tiper) for the first time, it'll cost my checkout points and it won't give me anything
Is it bugged?

[slim mantle]

you have books filtered

[dim pollen]

Awwww shit, thanks bro

[rain scroll]

nice

[dense egret]

By how long kuuzu is taking to type ik I'm cooked

[slim mantle]

it's normal to take time when someone asks for an account review cuz theres a lot to go over

[dense egret]

Well if I didn't mess up so many things then it probably wouldn't have to be a whole essay

[slim mantle]

u just start typing the first point u see and then it takes time to go over everything so u can put it all in 1 message

[rain scroll]

+2000M% speed cuz of some book levels yessir

5.24E25 to this cool

[fading rune]

1. Collect all W1/W2/W3 stamps where possible, and level them at least a bit... You're really behind here
2. Always have something in the forge, print ores on squire, fish on barb, logs on mages, hunter can do the green mush cap
3. Remember to claim anvil every time you check a char
4. Level your cauldrons, boost and get new bubbles.
5. Try get new vials every day
6. Don't level orange salt anymore - look at the pins and check the ratio of rank you need for salts. Otherwise you'll be screwed for a long time
7. Always have something in the 3D printer for all chars, buy the crystal 3D printer from gem shop asap
8. Get more buildings in construction asap
9. Get skulls on all chars, and use the charge before it gets full.
10. Check your traps... focus on getting new critters from the quests
11. Unlock new meals if you can
12. Focus on lab, and print materials to craft items. Don't do anymore skilling
13. Get to elite classes asap. This is your W4 focus while your other chars are in lab.
14. Get amarok on everyone, better tools, rex rings for all.

I think that'll do for now

[fading rune]

Rofl didnt see this

[slim mantle]

2. active es, hunter prints bugs

[fading rune]

He don't have ES yet, but yeah

[slim mantle]

well until then it's fine to have however many ppl print gmush as needed :p

[dense egret]

It's map 4 for elite classes right?

Cuz that's gonna take a while

[fading rune]

I guess, but those prints hurt my eyes

[rain scroll]

is active bubo better or active dk for ghampter? @slim mantle

at wurms

[dense egret]

I don't wanna kill green mushrooms all day I keep running out of spore caps

[slim mantle]

dk

[fading rune]

Have you got the gems for 3d printer?

[fading rune]

Dk specifically for ghampter

[rain scroll]

whats better to do tho bubo or dk bubo also gets water/alch progress? what would u suggest

[fading rune]

Do you have all bubbles?

[dense egret]

I spent all of them on the cauldron upgrades for sm reason

[rain scroll]

no

[steel nymph]

oooo my first whatever plate this is called

[fading rune]

Then bubo 100% untl you max all cauldrons and all bubbles unlocked

[slim mantle]

when the goal is golden hampters just dk, its good for several items

[rain scroll]

some final ones left

like 9 bubbles left ig

[fading rune]

Heck, I'm using bubo for w5 statues, and cc at the same time rather than DK

[rain scroll]

why r u trying to do w5 statues

r u done with other?

i havent even done w2 completely yet so i dont bother

[rain scroll]

pro

[fallen ridge]

do bullseye

[rain scroll]

me currently

[fallen ridge]

it's fun I promise ||no it's not||

[fading rune]

after w5 ones, ive only got like 3k left

[slim mantle]

I did bullseye last

[rain scroll]

nice

beanstalk better tho i

[fading rune]

I got hampters already :p

[rain scroll]

i dont have statue bonus good enough yet (snake skin etc) its at 60%

[slim mantle]

lets see what I get in half an hour

[fading rune]

nothing else to do? XD

[rain scroll]

i have 10 vials maxed rn wbu? @fading rune

i got 4-5 vials maxed in past 1d

but now i cant do that fast esp mob ones i cant 😦

[fading rune]

I ain't been fcusing on vials

[slim mantle]

it's not bad to get some w5 crystal grind in and I've been using a lot of keys on chaotic and nightmare boss runs

[rain scroll]

think i depo like 1k kachow without good snake

[rain scroll]

do u have vial mastery

[slim mantle]

don't ,kachow is limited

[rain scroll]

im saying i did before

[fading rune]

Yep

[rain scroll]

but now i am not

[fallen ridge]

I don't but I'm working on vial so when I unlock it I will get the buff immediately

[rain scroll]

i bought 10-11k kachow from weekly boss

[rain scroll]

nice

there r too many things to do i forget sometimes what imp thing i had/have to do

[fallen ridge]

I'm at 15 rn and I'm missing like 5 from skilling but those are hardish material to get: like equinox bugs and fish, W5 and W6 bugs and fishes...

[rain scroll]

oo ur indeed better than me

[slim mantle]

almost done

[rain scroll]

i didnt start sigils yet should be good if i did rn cuz of current bonus

but im not done from bubbles yet

[slim mantle]

well duh it's a great time to be doing sigils

if ur not on bubo theres no reason not to be on sigils

[rain scroll]

but what about my current situation i havent completed bubbles yet

[fading rune]

do bubbles man

[fading rune]

all bubbles and cauldrons

[rain scroll]

whats the need to do all cauldrons?

[fading rune]

Future w7 bubbles

[balmy gulch]

Is this good enough to push w4

[slim mantle]

the bubbles can wait a week honestly, might aswell take benefit out of the sigil ballot while it's here

[fallen ridge]

do bubbles first, I'm doing sigils but I am missing only the last green bubble

[rain scroll]

this is what i was thinking too

[fallen ridge]

considering that it makes sense

he won't be able to level them up much anyway
||not that I can either||

[fading rune]

I guess so

[true hamlet]

No clue, I pushed with ES but I heard 1m dk is fine

[slim mantle]

exactly, it's not that high priority for him and honestly sigils get too much hate anyway, if ur not being active on bubo theres no reason not to work on sigils, when active on bubo it's a different matter ofc cuz cc disables sigil progression anyway

[balmy gulch]

thx

[slim mantle]

that's plenty by all means

[balmy gulch]

thx 2

[rain scroll]

ima do some sigils in a bit then to unlock a few easy ones

its free stats tbh +10 for free

[rugged kiln]

Yeah you’re fine you have enough acc to get through the entire map and you do plenty of damage

[fading rune]

sigils are so slowwwwwwwwwwww

[slim mantle]

thats why its valuable to use the extra speed ballot :p

[steel nymph]

yo occido

i haven't been active on idleon lately but i was kilin samurais and it said portal opened

what's the portal

[slim mantle]

probably the hidden one like other bosses have too (important for speedrun portal counts)

[steel nymph]

ah

it's kinda weird it suddenly just said portal opened when i killed one samurai

[slim mantle]

it is a new feature and kinda buggy at times I think

[covert wigeon]

one day im gona get someone to review my account and im gonna put slush skulls on everyone

[slim mantle]

someone wants to be roasted

[covert wigeon]

indeed

[valid brook]

why my sheep sniper not defender

[slim mantle]

results are in

[zenith hare]

how does lud get so much coins compared to us??

[slim mantle]

more gmush I assume, I mean my gmush got lapped by fucking clammies

[valid brook]

200 pens in 30 mins 💀

[zenith hare]

100x gmush no

he maxed eclipse visual ages ago

no way in fuck it's only gmush

[slim mantle]

cuz it's supposed to be sniper

[zenith hare]

and that's still 10T gmush kills

which...no he doesnt

[slim mantle]

he could be at 10T gmush tbh

[zenith hare]

I highly doubt it

[slim mantle]

@echo radish clear it up for us, whats ur gmush count

but meme see this, can I change the lab node to clammie?

[zenith hare]

no :p

tbh it's probably higher kph

due to w4 rings too

[slim mantle]

I don't possess w4 rings :p and wasn't trying to go for kills either, just pearlers

[zenith hare]

me neither

[onyx geode]

hey guys, i feel like i m missing a multiplier or something:
i need 10k shiny owls to get all my characters to w6 traps but i only get around 50 shiny owls per day. getting all my critter vials to max lvl wasnt that much of a problem and i didnt expect to have such a low shiny rate...

[latent bramble]

shiny prayer and faster traps

[slim mantle]

ur missing a prayer

you can get over 9k shinies every 20 min

[fossil hatch]

Quick name 2 classes

[slim mantle]

es dk

[onyx geode]

awesome thank you both 🙂

[fossil hatch]

Thanks

[slim mantle]

so what did I name classes for? xD

[fossil hatch]

Well. I was hoping it would be troll. But I’m doing a 5-5 account

Guess I’m doing 5 es, 5 dk

[slim mantle]

should have told me, coulda fucked ya over with beginner journeyman

[fossil hatch]

Want me to stop at any class? Warrior/squire or am I allowed to push to there elite classes

I’ll happily clear w6 with warrior etc

[fossil hatch]

Would have ruined it 🤣 I wanted random. Not pain

[slim mantle]

middleground, bb bm

[fossil hatch]

[slim mantle]

anyway sure u can do warrior and mage only account

enjoy the struggle

don't forget to do the no gear challenge while ur at it

[fossil hatch]

Ahh…

Yeah, what other challenge do people normally struggle with?

I’m not good enough to do the no skill challenge…. Pain

[slim mantle]

hmm, ask in endgame chat, lurking around there yesterday I saw they're full of masochists, surely they know some more ways to make u suffer

[fossil hatch]

Ahhh jeez… so be it

[slim mantle]

[fossil hatch]

Now we sit and wait

[fossil hatch]

They said I can’t play the game for 5 minutes

[slim mantle]

perform 1 action then shut down game for 5 min, rinse and repeat

[fossil hatch]

That sounds like hell

[slim mantle]

yes

[fossil hatch]

Melee archer sounds interesting ngl

I’ll stay archer too, no sub or elite

[slim mantle]

can't do elite without sub anyway

btw I get the confusion but I kinda meant that included in the gear :p

[fossil hatch]

Ohhhh

Gotcha, I liked the shitty tools idea tho

Junk tools just sounds so goofy with no gear

[slim mantle]

in the end it's ur account so ur rules

[fossil hatch]

Archer with no weapon, no companion. No gear/tools. What else? 4 mages 5 warriors

[slim mantle]

what happened to the 5th mage? accident conjuroring magic?

[fossil hatch]

Nah. I had asked in endgame chat for ideas like you said, and someone said archer with no bow. Because he likes the idea of an archer so useless he can’t wield a bow : )

Thought it was funny 🤣

[slim mantle]

and I think my excuse for the 5th mage is funny :p

[fossil hatch]

A little goofy : )

[slim mantle]

a little goofy brings the smiles 🙂

[rain scroll]

how do yall get good sigil speed?

im at 5 smthn with the ballot incl

[slim mantle]

numbers are misleading tbh, the sigil itself was massive

[frigid pebble]

anyone know what exactly the BM "Arena Spirit" specia does?

I thought it was meant to give you access to pet arena for 7 mins, but i can't seem to go in there once i've used it.

[rain scroll]

use it and go in there

when u have attempt available and attempt wont be consumed

[frigid pebble]

ahhh, when you have an attempt available - so you can't use it afterwards.... cool.

that was a waste then 😄

[rain scroll]

yep a lesson for later

[frigid pebble]

That was like when i first go to the cookin, i used the ladles before making any food - i thought you used them like the silver pens for post office!

[rain scroll]

hmm

[sudden coral]

is trapping the highest skill for anyones void walker? does this even work with him?

[uneven obsidian]

it does work on him yeah

[sudden coral]

how do u get him to be the highest

[uneven obsidian]

need to have him place all natural trap with transfusion on highest unlock critter

[slim mantle]

crystal countdown helps a lot for it

[sudden coral]

ah but then u perma have 1 less character trapping right?

what's crystal countdown

[uneven obsidian]

doesnt matter that much in the end if you loose him from trapping

[slim mantle]

I just used everybody for critters when I needed critters, then put xp on everybody when I needed xp

[sudden coral]

so in the end, voidwalker only farms xp on trapping and everyone else the critters u need ?

[slim mantle]

that all depends on how u want to do it

like I said, personally I never did xp only on vman, if I needed critters vman was helping with critters

[uneven obsidian]

well having your vman getting more trapping lvl does help scale that one talent for critter and souls

[slim mantle]

just doing crystal countdown which I'm too lazy for most of the time has a lot more impact than constantly having him focus xp only but not doing crystal countdown xD

[sudden coral]

for a lazy solution can i just take off xp gain on the trapper and the double xp from voidwalker makes him gain the most xp?

[slim mantle]

same trap placed by the same character with the same stats gives the same xp to any character

[fading rune]

I just keep one nature on vman all the time, and the rest critters

@slim mantle how long does crystal island stack

[slim mantle]

7 days but if you want to be most efficient with ur spawns u should check it daily

[sudden coral]

so then do u place ur traps with void walker or beast master

[fading rune]

annoying but ok

[slim mantle]

it depends, do I want critters? bm, do I want xp? vman

[uneven obsidian]

for xp vman with transfusion up, for critter bm

[sudden coral]

aah oh damn it carries over to all characters transfusion

[slim mantle]

yes

[sudden coral]

that;s cool thanks

[slim mantle]

as u can see, they both get the same xp, placed by vman

[fading rune]

Do you have the speedrun guide occido?

[slim mantle]

no

[cold wraith]

cringo names

lack of imagination

[latent bramble]

#1109526896640807002
#1296383243406413895

[slim mantle]

I'm litterally the first person to say I have no imagination

because I factually do not have any

[toxic arch]

Recommended gear/setup for world 3 boss fight?

[cold wraith]

no matter what you say doesnt change the fact of the matter

[cold wraith]

if you can get to w3 you can most likely beat chiz

[slim mantle]

I have aphantasia so I quite litterally do not have any imagination

[cold wraith]

w3 boss*

embarssasing honestly

[slim mantle]

currently my trapping be like: xp for everybody and bm just does refinery upkeep :p

[toxic arch]

Gotcha seemed like my defense/accuracy was little low pushing through the last couple maps so was just making sure

[cold wraith]

unless you dont get 1 tapped from chiz youll kill him

[weak anvil]

What should I be doing to increase my mine efficiency

[slim mantle]

all chizoar attacks are dodgeable

[cold wraith]

damn regalis is awful

[slim mantle]

there are so many different efficiency sources all throughout the game, what you specifically should be doing just heavily depends on ur account right now

[zenith hare]

murder

[weak anvil]

Like what can I do beyond maximizing stats and making the best possible pickaxe

[latent bramble]

!minechart assuming you're in w3/4, this should be right up your alley

[candid scarab]

Created by u/TrazCS

[dense egret]

🧢

[zenith hare]

progress ur account to get the hole bonuses asap

[weak anvil]

Oooo thank you

Wheres the hole?

[dense egret]

That things hitbox was messed up af for me

[slim mantle]

hole is big but early on probably can't get much done yet, but for example w3 has a prayer, w4 has lab, meals, u have cards in general and so much more everywhere

[zenith hare]

w5

[zenith hare]

im just answering his question

easiest way to get more mining eff is by progressing ur account

[rain scroll]

spice!

[zenith hare]

and if the insentive is the hole...well it works

[rain scroll]

time to wait

[slim mantle]

btw meme whats ur dr at in crystal setup?

[dense egret]

Anyone wanna do Doungeons (I need someone to carry me)

[woeful karma]

how to tell when print will print?

its just empy

[slim mantle]

!it

[candid scarab]

https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo

[woeful karma]

it says per hour but

[woeful karma]

ahhh ty much appreciated!

[rain scroll]

oo i can get 2 more recipes

+1 green and purple bubble 🙂

+1 vial

nice

what is the missing one?

[still oxide]

Is this in reference to this?

[rain scroll]

how do i get bamboo spice?

[slim mantle]

didn't we already go over this yesterday?

[rain scroll]

i didnt see

does power of nuke matter?

[slim mantle]

no

[rain scroll]

what else? i got free space @slim mantle

another borger is best or something else can be used for better?

[slim mantle]

throw that bunny in there

[rain scroll]

done

will take 64h for spice time to wait now

[slim mantle]

so be it, but at this breeding level, can't you get higher power borgers?

[rain scroll]

but with this spice i will get crop evo chnce food and jade gain

idk tbh i can ig

so do i make all 20k+?

[slim mantle]

the higher the more speed u have

[lean coral]

Quick question about the atom collider
(Beryllium - Post Office Penner)
"Every day, 1 silver pen from your Post Office will instantly convert into 1 PO Box for all characters. This conversion happens 7 times per day."
What does 7 times per day mean if it says 1 for 1 every day?

[rain scroll]

i didnt had this

now its on

[slim mantle]

it just does 1 pen 7 times per day

[uneven obsidian]

will end up at 140 pen per day at rank 20

[slim mantle]

for me it's 210 times, it's the only variable

[rain scroll]

this decent?

[lean coral]

Ahh ty everyone 🙂

[slim mantle]

oh yeah I level this on both presets... booked too

[rain scroll]

is this good enough?

[slim mantle]

I'm sure you can get much higher power than this tbh

[rain scroll]

im not getting over 20k rn

on normal eggs

[slim mantle]

it's rng, just work on it over time

[rain scroll]

if i can get just 1 more good pet what will that be?

[sudden coral]

@slim mantle so when collecting, if im trying to get xp on voidwalker and critters on everyone else would i collect voidwalkers traps on voidwalker and then collect the rest of the traps on bm?

[slim mantle]

u can try a high power tsar here but probably won't be enough at these power levels

[slim mantle]

the stats matter when placing the traps, not collecting

[rain scroll]

maybe this will do the trick

[sudden coral]

ah okay so then u always just collect on BM because of the eagle eye?

[rain scroll]

reached 267k

[pure helm]

And for better shiny chance.

[slim mantle]

if I manually collect I do bm cuz eagle eye ye but currently I just do 20 hour traps so I let rift take care of it automatically :p

[rain scroll]

oooeee

[sudden coral]

wait is collect all on drones not the same as bm eagle eye? u guys manually collect them?

[slim mantle]

I manually collect when I do shorter traps

like when I went for critter vials I did hourly traps

[rain scroll]

got a 28k borger

this is good now xD it increased by quite alot

[sudden coral]

makes sense thanks

[rain scroll]

had 210 smthn eggs but eggs are to use so np

i should also improve above ones gradually

[slim mantle]

don't need forager as long as u don't have a territory below where u need to buff borger :p u can get fleeter instead for raw speed gains here

[sudden coral]

so with royal traps on 1 hr claims i get about 250k turtles, any way to increase that?

[rain scroll]

i also got new stuff

[slim mantle]

more efficiency, more base critters, higher lvl eagle eye, higher lvl vial

[rain scroll]

even better!! @slim mantle

[slim mantle]

would ya look at that, now it's done tomorrow

[rain scroll]

+1

+2

last 2 days i maxed like 8 vials or so pretty great

iv been progressing like crazy right past 2 days

[slim mantle]

maxing so many so quickly means u were neglecting to do so for a while when u could :p

[sudden coral]

alright and when u collect all and they all get re-placed does ur bm still need to have the best stats equipped and eagle vision

or does it use the same stats as before

[slim mantle]

same stats as before

[sudden coral]

ah that's really useful

[slim mantle]

it is but it also means if u gained bonusses you have to reset

[rain scroll]

i have 13 maxed vials now

im feeling good 🙂

i also started this will take a while but will be done

uhhu

[slim mantle]

this one isn't maxable

[rain scroll]

if i could do this it would be OP my fishing vials are taking quite long

and my print on this was like 780/h lol

[slim mantle]

get to w2 clicker and pray while u click away

[rain scroll]

my fishing/catching/monster mat vial suck

[uneven obsidian]

hell need more than just w2 clicker to help with that sample XD

[rain scroll]

i barely managed to get gmush max i didnt play for long and stockpiled a bit and remaining 30m or so i did with es

[sudden coral]

yeah that's a tough vial

[sudden coral]

huh there's a max for gmush?

[rain scroll]

i mean the vial

[jade relic]

hey i just got my vman and i'm curious. did a speedrun and put the talent points into the skills for other characters n stuff, but now i'm wanting to do skilling on him so i gotta swap preset. is that gonna remove the buffs for other characters? and does it mean i need to do a speedrun on the skilling preset as well as fighting?

[sudden coral]

just put 1 point into the speedrun

[rain scroll]

dont need to do speedrun with other set

just equip set and put 1 point in speedrun yes

[jade relic]

ahh nice okay ty

i lack the thinking skills to work that out myself ig lmao

[rain scroll]

https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=NebulaKnight what vial will be easiest to max next? @slim mantle

[forest canyon]

Yeah I just have the buffing skills on my second preset. It’s fine if I don’t have them for the 2 minutes it takes to speedrun

[forest canyon]

Prob hermit fish

[latent bramble]

rather it doesn't matter since things aren't checked until you claim afk or walk into w4 town for cooking

just gotta remember to swap presets after speedrunning

[forest canyon]

Yeah there’s been a few times I forgot

Luckily It didn’t take long to notice since I check cooking pretty often

[rain scroll]

im doing that

[forest canyon]

The w1 mats on vman

[rain scroll]

but my print not too good

[rain scroll]

my vman sucks

[forest canyon]

Then unsuck him

[rain scroll]

how

also i havent sampled on bm since i think 6 months or more

[forest canyon]

Swap over some p2w stuff, gear him up, new weapon. The usual

[rain scroll]

he prints a whole 1k gmush an hr lol

this is vman

[forest canyon]

That’s not 1k

[rain scroll]

this

i was saying about bm

[forest canyon]

Ahh ok

[rain scroll]

ok lets meet my vman

[upbeat quest]

why is exp rate important than build rate in construction?

[rain scroll]

he is on skill talents ofc

[tall harness]

bcause there is a bubble in alchemy that gives cons speed per cons level

[uneven obsidian]

cuz of this bubble

[upbeat quest]

oh waht no. bubble is this

[uneven obsidian]

13

[upbeat quest]

oh ok thanks

[uneven obsidian]

and at high lvl it does this

so 99.99% of you build rate end up being from DK

[upbeat quest]

omg

i cant even fathom

[slim mantle]

Well was having dinner and not at pc atm. But u should have a good idea of what u can get urself, its ur account after all so u know its details

[rain scroll]

my monster mats/fishing/catching one suck horribly

[wet ravine]

anyone to help w3 dungeon?

[slim mantle]

Get that guy to be useful, print bugs

[queen violet]

Okay so im confused on whats going on. IDK if bug or if theres something im not noticing

[upbeat quest]

How much does strength help in cooking?

[rain scroll]

i need to do so many things ;-; ee

[queen violet]

My Squire DK and my VMan keep fluxuating in their EXP. Rn is what i expect. 100k here and 200k on Vman. However it flips periodicly and idk why

Vman is surounded by EXP nodes while my Squire is bundled with BR nodes

[rain scroll]

this is my VMAN!!!

i dont have any green salt to upgrade the rod/net

also dont have these

[tall harness]

lava code, when u sit on dk and check cons ur exp on this alt will be lowered

[queen violet]

Ohh okay

also more lavacode. Weaponized balloon lol. IDK how it happend its fixed now

[uneven obsidian]

the lavacode works in mysterious ways

[winter saddle]

need a party for w3 team dongeon

[honest ravine]

omeone want to do dungeon w3??

[winter saddle]

im on pecunia 12

[rain scroll]

thank god i have 6 wishes today!

now i can reset my opals once i reach mushroom map with explorer

[uneven obsidian]

why reset at mushie and not justice ?

[last karma]

1 wish a day?

[rain scroll]

yes

[thorn mango]

Mushie?

[rain scroll]

my engineer sucks too much

and justice will take time and i have only 51 opals total

good map

statues+pearler at once and also some gfood

[uneven obsidian]

fishing gfood

[rain scroll]

ye will help me!

[uneven obsidian]

get a stack for beanstalk and another stack for fisher

[rain scroll]

xD that will be too hard if im able to beanstalk 10k it will be pretty good for now

my dr is 11.87x

should i try making this card to gold/plat?

[uneven obsidian]

would help unless card odds are aweful

[rain scroll]

how to check card odds?

also i generally dont do the card drop card thingy before entering maps

[uneven obsidian]

check afk screen will tell you, just not that once it reach 1 card /h it wont change to say if you would get more than that

[rain scroll]

ill also make this card platinu

with card set on

[vital bay]

how do you have 2 statues out at one time?

[rain scroll]

vman skill bonus + high level statue

my both statues last almost always just the 2nd one expires 6s early

[vital bay]

oh ok, i just got my dk

[slim mantle]

Can get 3 up for a while even

[rain scroll]

i must start saving spice for it since now

[thorn mango]

Why what's it give?

[rain scroll]

must improve gains

[rain scroll]

a new jewel is a new jewel and this

cyall later ima go study a bit

[tender ocean]

dont just expose me like that

[pliant gate]

short question, can i sample trappers and souls?

[slim mantle]

Fake midgamer can't pretend to be midgamer anymore?

[thorn mango]

Exactly he's early game

[rain scroll]

he hasnt even started

[thorn mango]

Tutorial

[pliant gate]

any way to gain souls faster then? except looting manually from shrines?

[slim mantle]

U can get a thing in w3 town to collect from

[latent bramble]

Not until you work on construction

[pliant gate]

this guy right?

[slim mantle]

Yup

[thorn mango]

Damn I remember the old gear charts now

[slim mantle]

Ewwww

Can fix that right now: w2-6 amarok lol. Done

[thorn mango]

These were made 2 years ago calm down

[latent bramble]

oh, that must have been when I was gone. I just remember the plain background ones i guess after w5 came out

[thorn mango]

Your not an OG

[woeful karma]

!talent 3

[slim mantle]

U mean merit? Xd

[woeful karma]

oh right

[thorn mango]

? I don't think that's a command

[woeful karma]

sorry
didnt sleep much

[slim mantle]

No space btw

[woeful karma]

!merit 3

[thorn mango]

!merit3

[candid scarab]

1️⃣ One point into Telekinetic Storage which has an ability to deposit all items in your inventory into the chest while destroying everything on the ground. This is a great quality of life feature. Skip this if you have the ram companion.
2️⃣ Buy until you have 3 building spots and 3 food slots. This can be between 0 and 2 purchases depending on gem shop purchases. Food slots will help your pusher go faster and 3 building spots is a 50% construction speed boost.
3️⃣ Talent levels are hugely important and the library should be used as much as possible.
4️⃣ The 3D printer will be how you get most of you skilling materials in the future. To make good use of it you need your sample size to be as close to the 90% cap as possible.
5️⃣ Buy the rest. More slots = more better.
6️⃣ Leveling telekinetic storage gives up to +13.6% Carry Cap which is good for afking longer, stamps and crafting, but is not a priority early on.
7️⃣ You won't get enough points to consider buying respawn for a long time by which you will have cleared all W3 portals.
Get the first level when you reach rank 3 on orange salt and get another level each time a new salt reaches rank 3.
⚔️ The last recipe is for the Chizoars Caustic Scarf which is best in slot for a long time giving both damage and respawn. Get this when you can complete the associated task of beating Chizoar with 8 characters. Other recipes are for Chizoar gear. The helmet gives +15% damage and can be considered if you are making purple salt. The other pieces are mediocre but some make the chestplate for 3% damage.

[woeful karma]

ty

[latent bramble]

i mean. i was here before npc tokens had their own storage

[woeful karma]

lmao

rip

[thorn mango]

Damn you might have been playing earlier than me

[slim mantle]

Reaper ur not far enough into the game for comments go progress

[thorn mango]

I've been playing since pre w3 I can comment

[slim mantle]

Imagine being left in the dust by ppl starting after w6 release

[thorn mango]

I play this game casually I barely ever active

[slim mantle]

Issue detected

[thorn mango]

I only ever started activing when w6 was released

[trim bear]

Is it normal that my : defeat chaotic chizaor without taking damage quest isn't getting done even though I one shit him

[slim mantle]

I remember this issue being raised ages ago but can't remember the solution

[latent bramble]

is your client language set to english?

[slim mantle]

Is it possible to lower ur dmg to 2-shot?

[trim bear]

Yep

[trim bear]

No way

Even my bare hands killing vman can one shot it

[thorn mango]

Remove all equipment

Every last bit of equipment and use skilling talent

[trim bear]

Skilling*

I mean I'll try brb

[thorn mango]

Also put on damage lowering prayer

[slim mantle]

Im trying to remember the last time I heard of this but its been a long time

[slim mantle]

because ie is not the game? :p

[trim bear]

Damn it worked I had to use talent reset pot as well lmao thank you

[slim mantle]

so issue did in fact come down to needing to not 1shot? good thing my general thinking got me there then cuz memory wasn't serving me

[trim bear]

Yeah I would have never guessed

[slim mantle]

basically u need to hit it once for the game to be like oh yeah he is doing this task. something that was fine back when lava programmed it but obviously not anymore :p

[thorn mango]

If I need batteries should I spam w4 colo

[uneven obsidian]

waste of ticket, have es farm them on tv

[thorn mango]

Alright ty

[thorn mango]

In 10 minutes I've gotten 2 so far

[uneven obsidian]

yeah it sucks to farm depending on your dr

[thorn mango]

It's 8x

Oh wait I should use the obols and card set

[thorn mango]

Wait does multikill affect it?

Okay ty

[uneven obsidian]

es just kill a lot of monster pretty fast and wormhole increase dr

[thorn mango]

Alright

[slim mantle]

-# increased dr only applies to wormhole mobs

[thorn mango]

Hm?

Oh nevermind

[tender ocean]

I just don't like to call myself endgamer, can't stop what others are saying tho

[candid summit]

how does this work? i think i may have misread what it actually does

[slim mantle]

I mean, it's very clear that you are an endgamer so why don't u like to call urself one?

[slim mantle]

don't remember the specifics but here u have a rule of thumb u could follow, it is good to have

[tender ocean]

I am kinda new to the game, 80% of my playtime I considered myself midgame. like actually and not just saying. endgame for me is not reaching certain numbers but something else

[slim mantle]

I mean you pretty much reached the top, end of the end, doesn't matter how fast u did so :p

if anything I'd say the faster u did it the more deserving of said title u are

[rain scroll]

i didnt do gem farm today also...

i mean yesterday reset cuz it already happened

[forest canyon]

Lazy bum

[latent bramble]

tl;dr it keeps the cost ratios of salt to 2x instead of letting it balloon

[candid summit]

red salt is at like

doesnt that mean component scaled past power?

[latent bramble]

it only affects salt cost

as it says

[tender ocean]

yeah, I still stay in the mindset of not calling myself one. it's a way of bragging and I have more fun saying I am a midgamer

[latent bramble]

but if you didn't have it, then the salt costs would scale at the same rate as component costs. with it purchased, salt costs are capped at 2x power per cycle

[slim mantle]

doing minigames atm for the achievements, man do I hate even trying for them, they always bring eye strain xD

[latent bramble]

smh my head

[slim mantle]

go fix :p

[latent bramble]

i need to resample

smh my head

granted, i'm not even running orange atm, it's just chilling at full

[cinder needle]

wdym? 515 sample goes crazy

[latent bramble]

no, the difference between the top and bottom

[cinder needle]

49 is the new 515

[slim mantle]

sounds like fun
-# said noone ever

[latent bramble]

honestly not too bad on alt

since it's more like "haha, i'll do a cheeky little resample"

my first one

[slim mantle]

u mean to tell me those amazing numbers aren't ur main? 😮

[candid summit]

is that different from component cost?

[slim mantle]

see, I'm only getting 30.9/h vs ur 515

[latent bramble]

yeah but yours is purple so it's about even

oh, i had bm out to check traps. so i'm ahead now

[slim mantle]

purple is the new white

[candid summit]

you mean like how much red salt is needed for yellow salt?

idk what salt cost means

hmm
i didnt see if the salt cost for the orange one changed

i didnt think to check but i have stuff to do now

eh maybe 5 more minutes

[latent bramble]

if you don't have the merit, salt cost will increase based on the middle column, if you have the merit, it (the salt cost) stays at 2x of the right column

that's all it does

[candid summit]

oh lord

so my orange salt is rank 3 and it requires 8 red salts
does that mean its affected?

wait

8 is a multiple of 4 not 5

https://tenor.com/view/snow-angel-mercy-winter-wonderland-ice-halo-gif-8009745827026603680

[latent bramble]

did you figure it out?

[candid summit]

yeah thanks

would you believe i used to major in math

[uneven obsidian]

blame it on lava's wording

[candid summit]

real

[uneven obsidian]

stare at lab

[candid summit]

i thought salt cost was the same as component cost, never thought to look at how much salt goes into another salt

[latent bramble]

Well, without the merit, the salt cost = the component cost, at least in terms of multi

orange salt at rank 3 has a 5x component cost, which is what the cost multi on the wiki is saying

so if you have no merit, then you'd need 20 red salts to produce 4 orange salts (that's the power per cycle value)

with the merit, salt cost is capped at 2x the power per cycle

[hard wraith]

is it possible to do chizoar in a party if my damage is too low to solo it? just to unlock w4

[latent bramble]

what's your damage at?

[hard wraith]

i have a level 90 squire with 15.5k-44k dmg without refinery dmg skill, since my accuracy is only 2.8k

[latent bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[slim mantle]

time to go check which mechanics you completely skipped over and get some base in them

[latent bramble]

have you touched roo, owl, alchemy, or stamps?

[hard wraith]

i have last megafeather x3, nearly last mega fish. I've got like 50 plat to dump into stamps/alchemy but not sure what to prio

i am 1 bubble from the accuracy bubble in green

[latent bramble]

have you leveled your first purple bubble any?

[slim mantle]

so both clickers need more work still, what about your cards? starsigns? dungeon flurbo shop?

hell even arcade is an option right now

[hard wraith]

nope not really. i could pump about 20 levels in, but gated by water ofc

[latent bramble]

this is what i'm using on my 112 squire and i'm at ~6.3k. less owl/roo than you but about 50 levels in purple 1 and shaquracy is as 22, so I guess that's the bigger difference

[hard wraith]

I've not started farming cards at all, but got 7 slots unlocked.
4 signs off the 2nd ...galaxy?... on starsigns

[slim mantle]

work on ur starsigns a bit, this is the 2nd one in the 2nd galaxy as u called it

[hard wraith]

oh nice

[floral crest]

Have u gotten this?

[slim mantle]

get these cards (atleast 1 star I'd say should be fairly easy?)

[hard wraith]

no, 1 bubble away

[floral crest]

oh alr gl!

[slim mantle]

oops I'm blind one of them u already had

[hard wraith]

i guess after a big accuracy increase the refinery perk should about double my damage

[slim mantle]

first you need to get to 100% hit chance accuracy

also this card btw

[hard wraith]

its only 1,875 acc for 100% on chizoar though

[latent bramble]

yeah but if you want refinery damage boost then you need 1.5x

[slim mantle]

fair enough, I shouldn't have trusted ingame

[hard wraith]

im already 2.8k

oh idk, im just reading wiki

thats the harder version maybe?

[slim mantle]

wiki will be the correct one

[latent bramble]

oh, yeah, if you're above 2.81k then you should be good

[slim mantle]

it's normal version but I gues lava lowered requirement but didn't update the card

while wiki is being kept up to date by data miners so trust the wiki :p

[faint willow]

Is there a priority for cauldrons? Or should i try farming them somewhat equally

[hard wraith]

ok so actually my accuracy isn't toooo bad then. am i missing something big for damage? I followe dsome excel sheet for talent points

[faint willow]

How farmed aré your owl and kangaroo

[latent bramble]

squire damage is pretty low without refinery ranks and levels, so, especially if you candied, i wouldn't expect crazy numbers out of him. though 45k does seem a bit low

[slim mantle]

it really does seem low for not having ignored the clickers existance

so what are those talents looking like?

[hard wraith]

last page feels a bit silly having cons exp but nothing else seemed very worth it with low acc

[faint willow]

@hard wraith

Maybe your aré missing stats from those? They give stupid amount of base stats and damage

[hard wraith]

quite farmed

owl is 3x last feather, roo is at mega fish 10 or something

[latent bramble]

ah, that's what you meant by no refinery damage talent

[hard wraith]

yes my refinery ranks are also very low

[slim mantle]

hmm not entirely how I would have distributed them but overall solid, so get ur 3 or 4 accuracy cards and fill the rest with damage cards like these

[latent bramble]

well, asusming you have more than like 2 ranks, i'd probably just respec. otherwise just suffer it out, it's an ez fight as long as you click

[hard wraith]

alright thanks. i was assessing if i should candy to push through the last map or if I wouldn't be able to beat him once anyway

[uneven obsidian]

chiz doesnt heal and is pretty easy, just a big sponge really

[hard wraith]

also I've kinda ignored every boss/miniboss that isnt amorak. are there any drops I should look for?

[slim mantle]

nothing too special, just buy ur w2 miniboss spawns daily

[hard wraith]

sorry which one is that?

[pine fiber]

first lab grind is until 75, right? for all the chip slots

[hard wraith]

ah great ty

[slim mantle]

u may not be able to afford doing these yet tho

[hard wraith]

yeah woodular circles are off the cards

[slim mantle]

and they're a pain to store as a bag sadly, where is my bag stacking feature damn it xD

[hard wraith]

well maybe i haven't checked since i got death note...

[slim mantle]

deathnote wouldn't affect those anyway

but they'll be farmable for u once you got es (elite class of wizard)

[hard wraith]

well i last checked before i could get any kinda of multikill, so surely it will make some difference

[slim mantle]

no

multikill doesn't affect ANYTHING drop related besides the regular mob drop, the first thing on the card

[hard wraith]

but more kph is more loot right?

[slim mantle]

REAL kph yes, which multikill doesn't affect

[cunning ruin]

is there some guide to show what ranks to level refinery such that you can just leave on autorefine

[slim mantle]

pins

[pine fiber]

#midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮 message

[cunning ruin]

ty

[rain scroll]

gn

[zealous onyx]

i have a dumb question. when farming active using ES, is it better to use full DR cards or two crystal cards then dr cards?

[astral lava]

For base mat, you don't need Crystal chance

But if u want to farm something that the crystal mob drops then use crystal chance cards

[astral lava]

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[zealous onyx]

aight then, thanks. time to test the limits with midas prayer too

[astral lava]

Mostly, it won't be worth it

[zealous onyx]

oh, man.

[astral lava]

What is ur wormhole talent lv?

[zealous onyx]

with the bonuses, 366

[astral lava]

Did u max out the prayer?

[zealous onyx]

yes

[astral lava]

Try it anyway

Midas's bonus literally can be replaced with 7-9 wormhole kills

[zealous onyx]

i dont understand the math, but ill follow that statement