midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[rain scroll]

i thought u were saying ur build rate xD

nice xD

my anvil statue isnt onyx yet

[cold wraith]

i alr got that chip from chip gamba

[rain scroll]

oo

more wont hurt tho

[cold wraith]

ig ill see if i can get enough brackets

[upbeat cargo]

if you have onyx then you can already go for that

[rain scroll]

my speed

increased last time it was 8900

[forest portal]

with 3x production?

[rain scroll]

yes

[cold wraith]

oh

hold on

[rain scroll]

once i get rift 39 ima try to onyx anvil

[cold wraith]

im doing opposite of you

[rain scroll]

hmm?

[forest portal]

wut

[cold wraith]

i onyxed first then im doing rift

[forest portal]

lm to lazy for rift to

[cold wraith]

im going to do rift after i finish onyx

[rain scroll]

at what rift r u?

i reached 39 rn

will be 41 soon and then ill stop

construct mastery nice!

[forest portal]

37

[cold wraith]

im at 31

[rain scroll]

ok rift 40 reached

i saved my best char kills lets see if its enough

should be enough muahaha

[cold wraith]

i havent touched rift in forever

i need more dmg bonuses

[rain scroll]

lets go!!

[rain scroll]

whats ur dmg??

[cold wraith]

on my main es its 300b

[rain scroll]

!!

[cold wraith]

but thats with p2w gear

328 total lvl

[cold wraith]

how much dmgm do you have

[forest portal]

when l get onix first statue will be kapow

[rain scroll]

all chars kinda low 20b-40b

[cold wraith]

oh

[rain scroll]

but my dk has 200b dmg

[cold wraith]

i can easily get cons mastery then

do you have mk emp card

[rain scroll]

no

[upbeat cargo]

I have way higher construct levels and I have put off rift for statues

[rain scroll]

i have dmg emp card

[cold wraith]

no mk?

[rain scroll]

no mk

[cold wraith]

hm mine might be faster

[rain scroll]

took only 3d tho

to reach 41 from 31

used all chars almost (leaving vman)

[cold wraith]

also i hit e25

[rain scroll]

oo

[cold wraith]

i was 17t speed yesterday

[upbeat cargo]

I'd have left it at 36

[rain scroll]

cool

[cold wraith]

i actually will do the challenges for rift utnil afk then have all my other characters afk

[rain scroll]

time for me to work on construction now as i got construct mastery now

[cold wraith]

i think i have 700 levels

[devout ore]

i just unlocked thrasher can somebody send me the build with it

[upbeat cargo]

maybe I'll get 41 after this actually, I'd get +75% refinery speed

[rain scroll]

cool

this is me atm

[upbeat cargo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/193tGCv_nJpgleOzQ2jkO9KEpSh8JcOZLdjDolD9Z0FI/htmlview#

[rain scroll]

im at 12457 anvil statues

[devout ore]

It has no trasher

[rain scroll]

how long do u think it will take for 20k statues?

i have 11.78x dr and choco and 1 in 40 crystal chance

[upbeat cargo]

w1 prolly like overnight if I had to guess

[rain scroll]

w1 gives it?

[upbeat cargo]

oh, w2, sorry

[rain scroll]

ye 1 in 15 chance

[upbeat cargo]

max book your orb if you haven't already and you should be gucci

[rain scroll]

it is enough it always lasts fully now i think

orb lv 264

[upbeat cargo]

I've never had to use trasher but you can find it quickly if you click search

[rain scroll]

time to upgrade my shrines now ig xD

[vestal ether]

So, for drop rate and talent tabs, does it really just matter what the final blow is when it's on?

[cold wraith]

@rain scroll

[rain scroll]

cool

[vestal ether]

I'm trying to farm bosses with my maestro (highest DR) but the increased DR talent is on the skill tab. It would take forever to kill chizoar on that tab so can i switch back and forth?

[forest portal]

ldk tbh

[cold wraith]

did you book it?

the new level cap after book stays between both tabs so you can just switch to fighting tab and upgrade it

[upbeat cargo]

just wait until you have more damage imo, do it on an archer instead

[vestal ether]

I mean, that doesn't answer my question... cause I've wondered that about other situations too.

[indigo stratus]

[upbeat cargo]

I do it sometimes but I don't know for sure that it works

[hidden violet]

It still works. 2 bar is just extension of the first if you need more actives

[vestal ether]

Ah okay. Yeah, this game has a lot of complicated mechanics. I THINK its working?? Idk

[hidden violet]

You can check the afk info switching between bars and it’ll be the same

[upbeat cargo]

we're talking about changing presets, not bars

[hidden violet]

Oh sorry

[frigid pebble]

Question regarding worship if anyone knows, how do I start a TD with more points? I always seem to start with like 4, or is that it?

[rain scroll]

stamps and cards and more help increase that

[frigid pebble]

Ahhh, rightio. Thanks.

Been trying to push with my maestro but he never seems to have as much worship power as the wizard which means waiting longer 😢

[upbeat cargo]

one of biggest sources of starting points is actually a vial

the gelatinous cube drop

[pure helm]

and crabs.

[frigid pebble]

Is that so? I'll have to have a look at which one. I've neglected vials, also alchemy, trapping, worship.... (Thanks for the cube vial name) Whilst I pushed to W5.

[frigid pebble]

Pets or the fish?

Critters* not pets.

[pure helm]

Critter.

[frigid pebble]

Awesome, I've a good fair few of those. Might go drop them now and upgrade em a little. Cheers for the help.

Need to get the frozen ones so I can craft W4 anvil... Pain.

[upbeat cargo]

also you should do TD with BM

[frigid pebble]

Yeah, for the kick back and the stay here skill or something. .... They just never fill up as fast as the wizard though.

[upbeat cargo]

you get as high as you can with BM then spend the charge on the rest of your players

[pure helm]

Your not using siphon right?

There is also a equipable bubble that affects charge rate.

[frigid pebble]

I mean, I think my wizard has it equipped on my 2nd preset, which I'm not using. Would it still get used if I'm not using the preset?

[upbeat cargo]

it is an active skill so no

[pure helm]

Na its a active skill.

[frigid pebble]

Then nah, I'm not using it I'll get some cards equipped and do the vials and see how that fairs for me.

[rain scroll]

rn im doing construction mania upgrading all things i can lol

i also have vial mastery now should try to get max vials now

[vocal rivet]

what's the best class to farm the rift tears in 60 mins?

[quiet crane]

es maybe? im not sure

[vocal rivet]

yeah i tried es and it was done in 5 mins, ty.

[quiet crane]

nice

[balmy pagoda]

Why wouldnt u take damage potions/food boost instead of movment speed?

[quiet crane]

move speed gives u afk gains(up to a cap) and in some cases even more damage than dmg pots(because of the bubble)

[balmy pagoda]

Because of the bubble?

[quiet crane]

yea i think its 6th green bubble

[balmy pagoda]

Oh damn, i see the bubble that makes sense. Thank you

[pure helm]

Damage pots were also trash until they got buffed recently. Now you may consider them.

[balmy pagoda]

Ahh, so confusion begins

Because i wear 2 of them and they give a lot

[pure helm]

Aye they may be better in some cases but that is very new.

[quiet crane]

look at your afk gains and consider, on archers speed pots are generally better tho

[balmy pagoda]

Aight, i will try to maximie the bubble and put on the pots, thank you

[devout ore]

I'm using this setup and trasher keeps failing to refill and my refillers end up dying, any tips

[astral lava]

Use shield instead of trahder

And put rattler in the from and replace the bum bum with a monolith

Just a nuke rng

[devout ore]

so change the entire setup

[astral lava]

Exactly

[devout ore]

ion wanan use mono itll take so long, appearntly trasher is alot faster

[astral lava]

Wait a sec

[devout ore]

i think i just gotta roll good rng so that my trasher becomes instant

[astral lava]

Mmmmaybe instead of dum dum use monolithic with trasher

But not auto

Till u get fast refilling speed with looter

And then spam trasher

[keen stag]

For weapons do I just level them up with my character or is it like armor, like making my wizard level up the armor for wisdom main stat do I also do that for the weapon?

[pure helm]

Just go for main stat. If you need acc get global permanent acc, not temporary single char stuff.

[keen stag]

I just heard to do that cuz the acc requirements get harder in world 4

[pure helm]

Its a neat trick you can do, but if you need to do it your missing something big.

[balmy pagoda]

Meanwhile me having Talent tab 1 that gives acc on max

Any tips to get acc? like, focus stamps?

[pure helm]

Owl roo stamps PO box arcade dungeon and alchemy all give some with the shaq bubble giveing most of it latter on.

Base stats will also do more over time as you get a higher modifier on them.

[shy ruin]

howd i get this from thermisters + without anvil tab 4 unlocked

[indigo stratus]

At what point does money start increasing? I'm only getting luster from early w6 crystals..

[rain scroll]

i guess need to do alot of gmush kills

[indigo stratus]

I should do eclipse ig.. I'm only on 100m kills atm

[rain scroll]

100m? i have very less too

i have only 21m

completed!

there should be a use of these again 😦

also these ;-;

[balmy pagoda]

Aight, thank you. What's shaq bubble? idk if that's its name

[pure helm]

Its short hand for "shaquracy" Green bubble #9

There is also a acc prayer that is ok if you need something to tie you over until you get permanent sources.

[faint willow]

does the price of this resets?

[short kite]

All W6 skills are sooooo slow 😴

[sonic flame]

First time getting SB, and holy crap, is this how it feels to get a constant stream of enemies? It's fun.

[short kite]

Now I regret using my gems earlier this week lol I should have bought farming plots

[rain scroll]

@upbeat cargo my anvil speed got boom bro i did upgrade some alchemy and i had statue onyx did depo 1-2k statues

[astral lava]

You will get them back anyway

[white lintel]

Wait till you get Bubo going, it’s insane

[astral lava]

Ye, daily

[sonic flame]

We'll see how it goes, I only have BB and SB so far.

Still fairly new to W4 and trying to work my way through, accuracy has been my biggest roadblock

[astral lava]

Bubo and DK will be good too

[rain scroll]

bubo most satisfying

[astral lava]

Oh ye btw Keith

My dmg is 15T

[devout ore]

guys is trasher even affected by refiller

[astral lava]

Lol

[rain scroll]

nice!

[zenith hare]

daily

[rain scroll]

@sonic flame

[zenith hare]

afk skill is slow wow

[zenith hare]

yes

[astral lava]

Only thing noted is that the ability won't refill if you have remaining taps

[sonic flame]

... Holy crap.

[zenith hare]

won't happen till early w6 time so keep dreaming for now

bubo and bm is an ASAP elite class to get btw

[sonic flame]

Yeah, I see that big level 400 on the bottom left

[zenith hare]

bubo for lab, and bm for breeding

[sonic flame]

Yep, the W4 skills

[zenith hare]

a level 10 one could do what his is doing

[devout ore]

u get one shot by wurms crystals right

[sonic flame]

I'll keep that in mind then

[zenith hare]

class level means far less later on

[astral lava]

Btw Bean

[zenith hare]

it's talent levels themself

[astral lava]

2 kills

[rain scroll]

before but not anymore im stronk now

[zenith hare]

now get some

[rain scroll]

u so lucky!

[devout ore]

happens to me so i cc on citringes

[sonic flame]

True, although more levels do = more talent points so...

[astral lava]

can't even craft it

[rain scroll]

i did 6 miniboss yesterday i think got all trash

[zenith hare]

that's not a problem w6 time

[astral lava]

I'm at Ceramic Spirits

[short kite]

All skills are afk

[zenith hare]

same for w5

[sonic flame]

From what it sounds like you get more Talent Points than you can actually use them on, and you need to rely on some good library books to get anything out of them, right?

[zenith hare]

and for w4

[astral lava]

Is the Auto review sheet that Scoli made (Sheet) still up to date?

[zenith hare]

yes and you get them from alchemy after you get atoms unlocked

[astral lava]

I think it was more like a milestones viewer

[rain scroll]

i can definetily survive wurms now 🙂 @devout ore

[zenith hare]

the talent level bubble can just be atomed to get however many talent points you need

[devout ore]

how much damage do u take from a wurm crystal

[zenith hare]

only exception being vman tab points

[rain scroll]

idk but its less than my max hp

[zenith hare]

and likely master class points from what lava has said

[sonic flame]

Good god, just the amount of card drops there is nuts and that's from my small W4 brain

[rain scroll]

10k smthn

[astral lava]

Bean

[zenith hare]

do be the only thing that matters

[devout ore]

dang i get like 42k from wurm crystals and my bubos on 12k health

[zenith hare]

never used it, unless you mean actual auto review which then yes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain scroll]

i get 10k dmg now 22k hp

5500 def

[astral lava]

Nah I meant the sheet one

[zenith hare]

then no clue never used it

[rain scroll]

rate was 8900/h 3d ago

and i still didnt do w4 mats yet (ill do later)

with this much rate ill be able to get silkrode nanochip just in time

[astral lava]

With that can you get the chip?

[astral lava]

Good

I hate doing my catching Samples

[rain scroll]

i should be

i ripped 150h candies ill rip some more if needed

[astral lava]

Rip

[devout ore]

guys help me get this mf spice

these 4 pets r old i can get higher level ones

[swift lily]

Do you have a forager above? Tsars for the other pets above also helps a lot

Burger is the most important pet to improve the power of

[zenith hare]

look at the top pin

[surreal birch]

What combo would be best for boosting my foraging speed ? With this pets

[zenith hare]

what territory do you need it for?

if its any one just do borger, miasma, forager, flashy

[surreal birch]

All

I need to boost every territory

[zenith hare]

if its for one that has a high combat power youll need to do 4 borgers, with 1 forager above and 3 tsars above

[surreal birch]

Oh, this is what I already use

[brazen mica]

Hey fellas, I'm early W4 and only got 2 elite classes so far working on the rest, should I care about lab yet or just chill out for now and do it later?

[swift lily]

Lab has a node that give double kills. It's quite reachable early on if you are willing to use a lot of characters. Helps a ton in pushing maps

[rain scroll]

i also wanna get started on sigils like yall

total 9 bubbles left to unlock

how to increase my regen?

[zenith hare]

meals, active bubo, invest into liquid regen with liquid, stamps

[runic coral]

meme tf is this

[oak mason]

Probably get everybody to their elite classes and then dump them into lab

[white path]

not in the game yet

[runic coral]

isee

[rugged kiln]

Is the equinox resources important around mid w4 or should I just wait

[slim mantle]

it's nice to get the equinox fishing unlocked if u can as that's a lot of free fishing levels

[spare terrace]

whats the best 6 team set up to get to breeding arena lvl 200?

[spare terrace]

sick, thanks

what is alchemic though?

[slim mantle]

one of the genes

the one that turns all attacks into cursory skulls

the idea about that switch is that eventually everything up to and including looter dies so alchemic won't proc anymore :p

[spare terrace]

so im suppsoed to put alchemic where the looter and refiller are instead?

[slim mantle]

no, alchemic gets procced by looter, you just swap the looter and refiller position

[spare terrace]

thank you

[slim mantle]

so like this

[spare terrace]

its on its way, time to see if i cant get to 200

[slim mantle]

shouldn't be too hard :p

[spare terrace]

im at 75 already

its going pretty fast, does it slow down a lot the later it gets?

[slim mantle]

well yes

[slim mantle]

this took me 70 minutes, which is on the faster side if u look at a lot of other ppl around that power level :p

[white path]

what do I pick occido

[tender ocean]

ngl, opal

[slim mantle]

that's a tough one ngl but would go for opal

[lunar scarab]

is big brain time worth it for pushing

[tender ocean]

opals are limited, soon you basically never see them anymore and then you can keep picking monument stuff

[slim mantle]

btw I think lava needs to follow some math lessons. 10k justice hours is starting with 3x coins... but it only doubled it lol

[tender ocean]

its overwriting the 1.5x bonus

[slim mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/a-bugs-life-flik-this-my-friends-is-false-advertising-false-advertising-scam-gif-5053432795872460277

[tender ocean]

not the first thing

[slim mantle]

I know but still

[spare terrace]

im at 150 now so hopefully its not too long

[slim mantle]

it's the later rounds that take up the vast majority of the time

[spare terrace]

yea i cna see, itts starting to slow down pretty quickly now

my whale and burger are dead no

now*

[slim mantle]

u saw my screenshot, those 3 dead ones were dead within the first 10 min, it's intentional

[balmy pagoda]

Can someone tell me how trap drone works? like, if i collect it with a hunter, it gives more? should i manually collect it?

[spare terrace]

hopefully having higher level pets will speed it up

its going crazy

[slim mantle]

critter count/xp gain is determined when placing traps so depending on which one ur going for place with hunter or maestro
collection rate it's based on eagle eye

thats very high pet power to not have done round 200 with yet 😅

[balmy pagoda]

Ok, so i place them with drone, using hunter, and collect them with hunter. Or maestro. Can i collect them with eagle eye or has to be drone?

[spare terrace]

i just recently unlocked all the spices besides the last w6 one, i have all the breeding pets and shinies unlocked

i was never able to get anywhere in this so i gave up for a long time

[slim mantle]

collecting doesn't matter with who unless u want shiny critters then collect with hunter, the important one for hunter/maestro is placing
u can collect with either drone or eagle eye as the drones collection is based on eagle eye.

[balmy pagoda]

Ok, thank you:)

[pine fiber]

dungeoneering duo is such a crappy fight

[spare terrace]

just beat 200, thanks for the team set up

[slim mantle]

^^

[tribal sparrow]

something wrong with my printer. lab and harriep is active though

and with arctis active main god.

[slim mantle]

just visual

[spare terrace]

why is there a star next to the numbers?

[slim mantle]

it's just a visual indicator for what bonusses are active, possibly for the colorblind

but like I said, it tends to visually bug out :p bonusses remain active so no worries

[hushed summit]

Why does my Journeyman is still so low in construction... ?
I cant find what I forgot here...

[slim mantle]

you don't have him making cogs do you

[storm harness]

you need COCK sir

*cog

[hushed summit]

aaaah... yeah... thats it 😄
oops , thank you!

[slim mantle]

characters don't get xp when just in inventory :p

[hushed summit]

yeah, still stuck with the first 2 rows...

[storm harness]

i think if you clicked the exclamationmark it would've told you

[hushed summit]

in 10lvl I can move 3 in SuperbCogs 😎

[hushed summit]

no it does,t otherwise I would not ask 😄

[storm harness]

make sense, been a while since i checked the cog window

[hushed summit]

yeah I can imagine :p

[frank gull]

Bro. Did you already unlock the last 2 forage stage on breading

[slim mantle]

*breeding, finished that quite some time ago

[frank gull]

What is your setup on foraging. On the last 2. I cant reach 1.5m. i use 1 leaf 3 whales,

[slim mantle]

you do realise whales are completely useless if you don't have enough power right? you need tsars as displayed in the top pin

[wild quiver]

what i need to upgrade to defeat w3 boss armor is on upgrade stones from w3 shop

[slim mantle]

your dmg is kinda low but you can kill the boss

[frank gull]

Yeap. Thats my upper stage. And i use 2 burger, fleeter, miasma

[wild quiver]

im trying to get ice breaker but still ned to farm some plat

[slim mantle]

use exactly what the top pin is showing, it is the highest possible power setup, zoro added it on my request specifically for this reason

[slim mantle]

don't need it, gear does very little in this game, especially early game, all other mechanics giving u account bonusses are what matters, but again you don't need more to kill chizoar, you can kill it right now, all his attacks are dodgeable, he doesn't heal

[wild quiver]

ok i will try

[frank gull]

Thx. I didn't try tsar. This is new to me.

[faint willow]

did not expect that

[open badge]

I know placement of traps affects trapper drone, but will collecting on another character also affect it?

[raven hawk]

Collecting only affects shiny chance afaik, eff and exp are snapshotted while placing

[open badge]

Thanks

[raven hawk]

But don’t collect from drone on characters other than your hunter, it’s still based on the level of your eagle eye

[empty mulch]

what does high performance do in that?

[tender fable]

👋

[vocal path]

Should I burn my candy to push to unlock rift asap?

Currently in w4 but ~2 days out

[spare terrace]

makes it run better, ive never played without it on so i dont know what it looks like without it

[spare terrace]

ho wfast are you pushing through w4

[rapid terrace]

Mastery 3 Unlocks it

[runic coral]

i see

[vocal path]

1.5k mobs per hour

[round cave]

what is the strategy for the last pet battle "Green eggs and WHAM"?

[glad shuttle]

Hey, I have a question regarding greenstacks. AutoReview reminds of missable greenstacks from quests like the strange stones from the snakes in W1 for Stiltzcho or the ketchup and mustard bottles from picnic quest; but now I am doing Yondergreen quests where I have to collect signed contracts from the penguins and those are not mentioned by AutoReview. Are those signed contracts greenstackable or is it just the 13 items that AutoReview mentions?

[modern heron]

Quest only https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Signed_Contract

[glad shuttle]

Ok ty

[modern heron]

np I love you

[balmy gulch]

how do u get breadbillity pet?

[spare terrace]

Probably not, I would recommend you save them

[spare terrace]

The rift might take a while to get into if you're slow at pushing through w4, it took me a while before I could really do anything in it

[vocal path]

Ah fair enough, thanks! Appreciate it

[astral lava]

Wdym

[balmy gulch]

sorry But I meant how do u know which pet is bredable , any idnication?

[dull lion]

does this include infinite starsigns or only the ones you have selected?

[slim mantle]

Pink background and the gene icon is a heart. Can't miss it

[slim mantle]

Only the ones u have selected

[deep wigeon]

for Vmans tool do i have him give them stones for LUK or a char with the trait to boost its efficency?

[slim mantle]

I go with luk as his speciality is speedrunning, the base stats are kinda whatever for his skilling and u get lots of those via bubbles anyway

[deep wigeon]

ok so just get the extra dmg then, thats what i tought i should do just makein sure

[astral lava]

For me, I go with the one that boosts the efficiency

But oc have a point

[void temple]

Guys, just noticed that VW at lvl 150 have an upgrade for BM skill which could help with incubation time and rolling new pets.
I understand that BM doesnt have a good sources to reduce mob respawn time and it works only in active, but anyway does someone test it ? is it worth ?

[astral lava]

For long runs, it is

But not early

[distant rain]

How does the save feature work in tower defence?

[astral lava]

You would have more important things to get first

[void temple]

seems like not so many sources to reduce incubation time

[astral lava]

You get 1000 disk, after consuming them, each time you finish wave 10 or 20 or 30 etc... in a TD, you get the option to save (Saves the points you got as if you didn't buy or place any tower) , next time you do a TD, you will get the option to import the last time you saved, making you start from that wave and with all the points u would get to reach that wave

[distant rain]

Tysm

[astral lava]

Tldr: open wiki, maybe it's shorter

[distant rain]

It doesnt apply to previous td before getting the 1k right

[slim mantle]

It's more of an endgamer thing to really use it and even then there are plenty that don't because it isn't really worth it

[opaque whale]

trying to make a w4 build-- what do these numbers mean at the bottom?

the 10>5>13

[void temple]

priority of skill number

[distant rain]

I would guess the talent
1 being hp and 5 being axe

[slim mantle]

Talent number, so the order. But ur better off using ur brain and make a build urself

[void temple]

first row 1-5
second 5-10
etc

[astral lava]

Yes

[opaque whale]

My builds suck lol. But gotcha! That makes sense, ty all

[astral lava]

The saving option appears after consuming the 1000

[slim mantle]

Tbh I feel like the saving option is only truly useful if u want to stop mid run for today and continue tomorrow for example as I doubt it will account for more point gains u get aswell as I noticed that selling towers to replace at the end of a wave to push further/faster also reduces the points it saves making it kinda useless

to prove the point, it makes no sense :p

[hollow cosmos]

best map for active bm farming for wallop whale?

[empty mulch]

what should i prioritize in this menu?

[slim mantle]

!merit3

[candid scarab]

1️⃣ One point into Telekinetic Storage which has an ability to deposit all items in your inventory into the chest while destroying everything on the ground. This is a great quality of life feature. Skip this if you have the ram companion.
2️⃣ Buy until you have 3 building spots and 3 food slots. This can be between 0 and 2 purchases depending on gem shop purchases. Food slots will help your pusher go faster and 3 building spots is a 50% construction speed boost.
3️⃣ Talent levels are hugely important and the library should be used as much as possible.
4️⃣ The 3D printer will be how you get most of you skilling materials in the future. To make good use of it you need your sample size to be as close to the 90% cap as possible.
5️⃣ Buy the rest. More slots = more better.
6️⃣ Leveling telekinetic storage gives up to +13.6% Carry Cap which is good for afking longer, stamps and crafting, but is not a priority early on.
7️⃣ You won't get enough points to consider buying respawn for a long time by which you will have cleared all W3 portals.
Get the first level when you reach rank 3 on orange salt and get another level each time a new salt reaches rank 3.
⚔️ The last recipe is for the Chizoars Caustic Scarf which is best in slot for a long time giving both damage and respawn. Get this when you can complete the associated task of beating Chizoar with 8 characters. Other recipes are for Chizoar gear. The helmet gives +15% damage and can be considered if you are making purple salt. The other pieces are mediocre but some make the chestplate for 3% damage.

[empty mulch]

W

[slim mantle]

tremor wurms/samurai guardians but unless ur endgame (which I doubt judging by ur join date) it's not really something worth doing

[lyric basalt]

Is there a specific class thats "Best" for printing spore caps for refinery?

[slim mantle]

vman but since ur asking u don't have him yet anyway

[lyric basalt]

Ye

[slim mantle]

w3 just print with as many as u have to, w4 u turn ur wizard into es and he will take care of ur refinery in a few minutes actively

[lyric basalt]

Alr I'm so cooked tho cuz I'm printing 11 an hour when the refinery needs 200 per hour😭

[marble silo]

is there something for auto refining that i can follow?

[slim mantle]

that is rather low tbh, you can soon increase that as u get more sampling rate (leveling up the talent, prayer, bubbles, stamps that kinda stuff) and get more multikill so for example the damage from the clickers come in handy for that

[slim mantle]

2nd pin

[upbeat cargo]

yeah that is just what you needed

[lyric basalt]

Also is efaunt armor any good or just work towards dementia armor on all/most characters

[slim mantle]

efaunt is way too expensive for what it is, amarok is good and can get u all the way to w6 if u want to

also starting in w4 u only push with 1 char anyway so what the rest is wearing is kinda irrelevant

until w6 that is

[lyric basalt]

So I should prob only get dementia gear on my two warriors (most DMG) and everyone else stays as amarok?

[slim mantle]

I said 1, not 2 🙂

[lyric basalt]

Alr

[static compass]

HH at frogs cog 4. LF 2 more people.

[slim mantle]

w4 all the rest will be sitting in lab, w5 altar

[lyric basalt]

Alr

What about chizoar armor for my main once I get end of W3, I main squire

Like the helmet

[slim mantle]

lets put it like that, I didn't have any chizoar armor until I was a month into w6

[lyric basalt]

Damn so you just stuck with amarok gear 😭

[upbeat cargo]

the pants are good

[slim mantle]

I used amarok to get to w5, dementia to get to w6

but I did so before the clickers got released, odds are that now I would have gone the full distance in amarok

[lyric basalt]

Alr thx

Last question what about pendents and rings?

[slim mantle]

gear does pretty little in this game, so people wasting tons of time to get a higher tier of gear are just wasting their time :p

[eternal agate]

Is there a way to see what rift challenge you finished on a char? I got 1 of 2 lava skulls, but don't remember what char I did it on

[slim mantle]

rex rings are good enough, dungeon pendant until u get a chizoar scarf is fine too

[slim mantle]

not to my knowledge but u could just try to do it on a secondary version of the class as it's quite unlikely u did the first one on ur duplicate :p

[eternal agate]

Was either afk with an ES or on my vman, good call. I'll just bum it on someone else, lol

[slim mantle]

it's an active only thing, vman is unlikely as theres absolutely no benefit to doing it on him, the recommended classes are es and sb

[eternal agate]

yea I meant afk as in just leaving auto attack on

[empty mulch]

!meritshop4

!merit4

[candid scarab]

1️⃣ Buy one point of spice spillage. This gives you up to a 20% chance to claim all your spices when claiming over an hour of afk gains. Since spices generate more slowly the more you have produced since last claim this will improve spice production.
2️⃣ Having more bubbles get upgraded each day will help a lot, especially when combined with buffs giving more levels per bubble. Only buy this if you can reach the No Bubble Left Behind node in the lab.
3️⃣ Egg capacity is limited and every time the hatchery fills up eggs are wasted until you unlock the rarity upgrade. Also helps you get two achievements with good rewards requiring egg capacity.
4️⃣ Allows you to connect to lab bonuses from slightly farther away which can reduce the number of characters needed in the lab. Note that the max distance between characters, which is called line width, doesn't increase.
5️⃣ Improves kills per hour in W4 but since you likely won't be pushing W4 portals for long this is relatively low priority.
6️⃣ Max level spice spillage triggers every time. They are lower priority since it takes a lot of star talent points and is likely to trigger several times in a row when checking multiple characters.
7️⃣ 3 crystal mobs per day is very little.
Unlocks the recipes for troll armor giving all stat% and the base for all further armor upgrades. It is great but require plenty of Nullo Salt. Don't buy it if you can't craft them.

[dapper sparrow]

Need abit of assistance with a potential bug if anybody has seen it before? Just entered World 4 and on the cooking part of the tutorial guy's questline. It says start a recipe and instantly finish it with a ladle, I used the 8 it gave and clicked finish the recipe but the quest has not been completed and the box to finish recipe is greyed out when I attempt to do the same recipe again

[cold wraith]

hold on

[slim mantle]

you didn't afk 15 minutes with ur guy in the kitchen did you

[cold wraith]

afk

[slim mantle]

it would be easy to see if you looked at ur progress ingame it should say 1/1 for start recipe, 1/1 for finish recipe and 0/15 for afk in kitchen area

[dapper sparrow]

Ahhhhh that's what it is, you are right thankyou, I just read what the guy had to say so that's my fault

[high lake]

what is the best strat with these pets and 4 slots ?

[slim mantle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/193tGCv_nJpgleOzQ2jkO9KEpSh8JcOZLdjDolD9Z0FI/htmlview#

[white path]

what happened to the original one? why is it the ripped version

[slim mantle]

it still exists, this is just the one I got my hands on way back then and kept this one bookmarked

[white path]

i see

[livid remnant]

hey yall

i need some advice

i just recently got to world 4

[astral lava]

Just read the Pins

[livid remnant]

and the mobs are getting to hard

[slim mantle]

the mobs aren't too hard, you are neglecting mechanics

[astral lava]

Tell me the exact problem Abt mobs and I will tell u what to do

**ALCHEMY **

[livid remnant]

i think it might be a problem with my stats

[slim mantle]

alchemy is only a small part

[astral lava]

Well then **STAMPS **

[slim mantle]

still only a small part

[astral lava]

Upgrade your gears and weapons, book more useful talents that boosts kph and fighting in general.

[slim mantle]

gear is definatly a small part

[astral lava]

Not for early

[slim mantle]

especially early

[astral lava]

Then what do u recommend

[slim mantle]

depends on his exact issue, he hasn't given any specifics whatsoever to work with and I don't feel like rattling off everything in the game

[livid remnant]

so what do i doÉÉ

i wish i could show screen shot

[astral lava]

Talk more

!image

[candid scarab]

Why can't I send images?

For moderation purposes, images are not able to be sent until you reach the Copper Bar - Lv.1 (Lv.3 for #1073780959087964210 ). To level up in the discord, just hang out and talk for a bit. Every minute, you will get xp as long as you sent a message. Spamming will not level you up faster, so please don't do it. Try !rank in #bot-commands to see what level you are.

[livid remnant]

kk

ty

[slim mantle]

screenshots are useful but you can just say the specifics instead, afk menu provides you with a lot of useful information

so it's easy to tell what the issue is

[livid remnant]

oh ok

ok so im in the tv area and it says my survivability is 40% and my hit chance is 34%

when i touch them they do 90 dmg to me

[slim mantle]

so first order of business is fixing that horrible accuracy which will help a lot with the survivability too

and that accuracy issue is litterally just you neglecting several mechanics at once

to name some of the big ones: both clickers, dungeon flurbo shop, star signs, cards, cardset, prayer

[livid remnant]

k but the thing is in my stats i have max book of the wise

[slim mantle]

I didn't name ur talents, I named things of which you likely neglected several of, perhaps even all

[livid remnant]

ok

[agile oyster]

Any way to levelling cooking real fast? Need cooking lvls for a constellation that will help a lot

[agile oyster]

It's just leveling 15, timecandies dont work

Oh yeh the balloons

[livid remnant]

i hey @slim mantle

[slim mantle]

?

[livid remnant]

are you on idleon rn?

[slim mantle]

it's on in the background yes

[livid remnant]

can i join your server

so you can see my armour and stuff

[slim mantle]

don't need to see ur armor, gear does very little in this game, also you are able to send screenshots now

[livid remnant]

oh

i send my stats just to see if you have suggestions

[slim mantle]

my suggestions are to work on getting these things in proper working condition, that should more than fix ur accuracy issue

[livid remnant]

im still sending them just in case

if ur willing to check

[slim mantle]

main thing is just the squire tab having a lot of points into obols and statues while at ur stage they don't really do much yet

[livid remnant]

ok

[still oxide]

Anyone have a tower ss to get to td 100 on the first 6 td

[livid remnant]

ok

[slim mantle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/193tGCv_nJpgleOzQ2jkO9KEpSh8JcOZLdjDolD9Z0FI/htmlview#

[indigo stratus]

Which one works the best for reaching battle 50?

[cold wraith]

the top one worked for me

[indigo stratus]

I'll give it a go ~ really wanna unlock as many territories today as i can

[livid remnant]

what do these mean

[fierce veldt]

literally that

if you have a squire and you are mining while active...

or while afk and so it goes

class lvl 50, class lvl 100, etc

its the goal of each build

[livid remnant]

ok

[astral lava]

How mining while active

That's a weird build

[fierce veldt]

i believe you click on the auto on and leave it there?

i think thats why that person put active/afk

[astral lava]

Mmmmaybe it's for equinox

Since active skilling is hella bad other than that

You don't get any cards nor anything from higher drop tables

[astral lava]

If you are active skilling

[livid remnant]

what doe squire/AFK(150) mean

[fierce veldt]

i'm in w5 and havent gotten to equinox yet, how much have i fucked up?

[fierce veldt]

squire = class
afk = you're not playing actively
150 = lvl

[astral lava]

Afk fighting with class lv 150

[slim mantle]

not necessairily fucked up but it's time u go unlock it

[fierce veldt]

yeah, gonna rush that now

so i should unlock the bloodbone map and farm them for the mirror?

[astral lava]

Yes

Iirc mirror drop while afk too

So just 1 candy

[slim mantle]

it's only a 1 in 1000 drop aka hella easy

[astral lava]

Is that right Oc?

[fierce veldt]

kk

[brazen mica]

Uh my game crashes on mobile whenever I play my maestro

[hard wraith]

regarding https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849473649832755231/1244288731704332351/image.png?ex=677be1af&is=677a902f&hm=799657fe0be80905003750751af662acc3f5c6c5849fd15b052def6ce79a806f& - my setup is in the image, but how would i ever decide to rank up based off the advice in the pin?

[vital bay]

i just got to w4 and im strugling with defence, what should i do?

[slim mantle]

you can reverse this statement to if there is a big difference between salt needed and previous salt produced, u can rank up

[slim mantle]

very unlikely that defense is really an issue, you're just supposed to have lvl 50 goblet of hemoglobin and use food

[fierce veldt]

check you have everything you have the basics like owl, sad kangaroo and whatever would be my first step

[hard wraith]

how do i see how much salt is produced?

[fierce veldt]

i'm going to spend every candy i have to unlock equinox

[vital bay]

oooh ok ill check it out

but what if i run out of food while im afk?

[brazen mica]

I wasn't using food and was very stuck, using food pushed me way forward

[slim mantle]

it's right there, did u not follow the arrows on the screenshot?

[brazen mica]

You eventually unlock automation arm level 2 from the refinery to fix that

[hard wraith]

i mean, "power per cycle" means nothing to me gotta be honest

i find the ui to be very unintuitive

[slim mantle]

then at some point ur gains get lowered but unless you plan to go afk for a long time it shouldn't be an issue, a decent food bag gets u a long way, also using better food lasts u longer (afk has overheal so even if a food gives more hp than u have it will help u)

[slim mantle]

I mean you had this, I could understand it being a bit unclear if u didn't have the arrow but I mean come on

[hard wraith]

i don't think i understand - there is not a big difference in the salt needed/salt produced - they are equal for all levvels

[vital bay]

alright, but is it worth pushing w4 when i just unlocked it or should i prepare better?

[fierce veldt]

you lose 84 of that 'ingredient', you get 97 salts

[spark dove]

Any tips for the worships with mobs that fade and become invincible? Really need to get my Frosty Firefight rounds up. Want my 4th anvil tab

[slim mantle]

refering to this once again, it litterally tells u to not rank up

[hard wraith]

yes, thats my point. when will that ever change? i'm just going to eternally never rank up?

[fierce veldt]

the cost is lower than the power

so you should rank up

[hard wraith]

@fierce veldt i linked another image. the one you are looking at is the pin

[main hearth]

Can anyone check my toolbox and lmk how I’m doing? I’m like 1 month in and don’t have a clue what I’m doing 💀

[fierce veldt]

ah yeah so dont rank up

and wait for the moment where you need to rank up, which is not now

[slim mantle]

you rank up the one above it, it produces more, it's no longer equal, this is not rocket science

[hard wraith]

but my question is when will i ever rank up?

[hard wraith]

so i should always rank up the red salt? that is unclear from the pin

[fierce veldt]

can you interepret what i just posted? or is it too complex

interpret* fuck my keyboard

[slim mantle]

red doesn't require a prior salt to make so theres no reason not to rank it up

[fierce veldt]

if power per cycle (the circle on the top right) is higher than the cost (bottom left circle), you rank up. if its lower, you dont

[civic nexus]

my sqiure bowman shaman barb are all skilling. should my JM and wizard be pushing for w4 or should i have them farming for items to upgrade my skilling builds and quests. (like the sticks circle thing and glasss shards and cards. time thingys etc)

[slim mantle]

journeyman should be skilling, ur pusher should be pushing to w4 ye

[civic nexus]

so my wiz

[hard wraith]

o i will never ever rankup. ever

[fierce veldt]

...

[hard wraith]

you aren't reading my question - according to the pin, it says i should not rank up. so at what point, after playing for 2 more years etc, when should i ever rank up?

[fierce veldt]

I think you are not understanding what i or other people said

[slim mantle]

no, you aren't reading

[fierce veldt]

I will try one last time

[hard wraith]

to be fair i missed this message when my kid came in, but storydor mate your answers were not helpful

[slim mantle]

his answers were helpful

[hard wraith]

this answer says i should not rank up... but i should rank up redox salts only.

[fierce veldt]

imagine you have everything on lvl 1

redox: power lvl 1
explosive: lvl 1
spontaneous: lvl 1

you rank up your redox:
redox: power lvl 2
explosive: lvl 1 (cost = 1 redox)
spontaneous: lvl 1

now you can rank up explosive.

imagine you have:
redox: power lvl 5
explosive: lvl 1
spontaneous: lvl 1

yes, you can rank up redox

imagine you have:

redox: power lvl 1
explosive: lvl 5
spontaneous: lvl 1

no, you cant rank up explosive (but yes, you should rank up redox)

imagine you have:

redox: power lvl 5
explosive: lvl 10
spontaneous: lvl 1

rank up redox, dont rank up explosive, rank up spontaneous

you will want to have:
redox > explosive > spontaneous

and that comparison is made between the Power per Cycle and the Cost of that given ingredient

[hard wraith]

all im saying is your previous answers, where you epxlicitly said dont rank up anything, was not helpful lol

[slim mantle]

prior to that he said this, the message you linked to was for ur orange and blue in your current situation

[hard wraith]

there is no cost or power to reference for redox

[fierce veldt]

redox = always rank up if u can

[dense charm]

how long does Green Eggs and Blam take? ive got my thing going here two peas tank and 2 refillers and its... taking forever...

[hard wraith]

from the perspective of somebody who already knows how it works/what to do, my questions may be dumb. but from my perspective, the ui is shit and i just tried to follow the pin, which i found unhelpful

[fierce veldt]

as referenced here

[slim mantle]

and the guide said if the salt cost of the previous salt is equal or higher than what the previous salt produces you do not rank up, you can clearly see that red doesn't consume any salt so it has absolutely no reason to not rank up

[fierce veldt]

i hadn't seen the pinned image before this discussion and I'm not an expert at this game at all (just arrived in w5), but I can understand from the screenshot that it would be ok ro rank up explosive and redox, but at that given moment, it would not be ok to rank up spontaneous

because the cost of explosive (to make spontanenous) is higher than the power per cycle

[slim mantle]

I just sent the pinned guide to a friend who doesn't even play the game and he understood it inmediatly so

[hard wraith]

congrats to that guy

[fierce veldt]

just breath and move forward

[hard wraith]

im not upset

[fierce veldt]

not even mentioning you being upset, but sometimes we get stuck on a specific thing that we can't comprehend/move forward from

[hard wraith]

i already gave my stance and stopped, you guys can move on

[fierce veldt]

and then 1 hour later you get back to it and it clicks

all my shitters are meditating

i should have used my highest lvl to unlock the equinox thing

fml

[slim mantle]

he is your highest lvl

nvm I missread that bb

bb sucks at active tho, es is much faster

[fierce veldt]

yeah, the bb is the one that pushed everything, but I'm trying to have the ES be that guy

but I should've focused on the bb there

[slim mantle]

only if u wanted to do it all afk/candy, active with es is actually best

[austere peak]

bb is very usefull if you still have some alchemie to do

[strong nymph]

does Worship Power affect charge rate?

[slim mantle]

I'm not entirely certain about that but I don't believe so

[strong nymph]

yeah I'm having a hard time finding the answer on google!

[rigid patio]

anyone have a good way to grind for the 100000 ladels bubble in euqinox

[slim mantle]

just don't start going for it too early, wait till u can produce a decent amount of ladles a day

so atleast chow all of w1-5, get ur stamps up

and don't forget to get the cooking post office box

[rigid patio]

im at around 500 a day but my chow isnt very hight the now

[strong roost]

What kinda samples should my voidwalker be taking?

[white path]

mob drops

[strong roost]

Is that because of the speed run talent

[white path]

this talent

[strong roost]

Alright

Thank you!

[fast bane]

for farming fridged soul it better to use slush skull or manifested skull ?

[cold wraith]

the one on the right

slush is only used as a craft item

[fierce veldt]

Greenstack 20 different items in your Storage Chest

uhh what is greenstacking

[faint willow]

i think having 1/10M

[fierce veldt]

Greenstack means Stack of 10 M items and displayed as Greenstack.png at the bottom of chest.

ah shit

[dry jungle]

Yes its 10M minimum

[faint willow]

time to print

[fierce veldt]

i'm pretty sure i'm fucked to get anything related to equinox right now

my printing sucks big time

its downright shameful

[faint willow]

you have to work on that then haha

what world are you in

[fierce veldt]

gotta figure out how that goes

arrived in w5 yesterday

[faint willow]

you have nobody on lab?

[fierce veldt]

they are meditating now

[faint willow]

oh

[dry jungle]

You opened the hole yet?

[fierce veldt]

max i got was here

opened the hole, yeah

[slim mantle]

you're in w5, why is nearly everybody printing monster mats? they should be printing their respective skilling

[fierce veldt]

idk just because i didnt have enough for the combustion thing

[slim mantle]

you got es in w4, spending a few min actively on him easily outgains those prints

[dry jungle]

Yeah try reprinting too lol

[fierce veldt]

i might be screwing something up badly then

[faint willow]

getting vman is gonna be a pain

[slim mantle]

your name says mid w4... ur not supposed to go for it yet

[faint willow]

not gonna try either for some time, im near getting maestro so, a bit too far from vman lol

almost done with catching, then only fishing left

[slim mantle]

fishing is easy in equinox

[faint willow]

i do not have equinox sadly

[slim mantle]

mid w4 is an acceptable time to get equinox unlocked and slowly work on some dreams

[faint willow]

its only 20ish levels, shouldn't be that long? (i hope)

[slim mantle]

fishing first levels without equinox take forever, it's honestly a waste of time

[cold wraith]

yea i still need to get mman

[velvet anchor]

Catching is so incredibly ass

[cold wraith]

bobby boy

[velvet anchor]

Was up breakfast

[slim mantle]

fishing without equinox pre lvl 30 is the worst

[cold wraith]

missing breakfast

[pale orchid]

Is there a known bug where the W4 boss can't be damaged, even though you successfully did the mini-game? I can't target or damage him at all, and nothing is happening. He's just waiting for me to hit him but I can't.

[slim mantle]

yes

it's a lost run when that happens

[pale orchid]

So it's just an 'accepted' bug that isn't going to be fixed, at least not in the near future?

[slim mantle]

it's certainly been around long enough so that I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a fix, it's not a big deal in the end

[faint willow]

how frequent is it?

[slim mantle]

I haven't had it personally

[faint willow]

its like common or kinda rare

[zenith hare]

ive not had it ever

its semi rare

[faint willow]

if it happens rarely its probably not a priority to fix rn

[uneven obsidian]

probably rare enough that lava cant reproduce it, so making it very hard t ofix

[zenith hare]

i think it happens when you attack when hes just about become intangible again

or smth like that

only attack one at a time basically

with ur biggest hits as he has a hit count cap

per minigame won

[slim mantle]

basically u lose like 1 key to it when it happens, soon enough u won't have to do minigames anymore to attack him when entering the fight and u'll oneshot him so

[pale orchid]

I got it on my ~5th time fighting him, so prob just got unlucky. Will make sure to pay attention to how I'm attacking him in the future

Thanks all

[true hamlet]

Troll was the easiest boss for me so far, managed to 1 shot him even after being severely undergeared for the last few maps

[slim mantle]

on a side note, jesus these cards are slow to drop xD this is gonna take several more days

[uneven obsidian]

yeah the w6 card odds scare me regarding what the w7 ones will be like

[slim mantle]

and w8 after that, it's insane how hard lava jacked up card requirements combined with difficulty to drop the cards, like come on man, pick 1

I just need to get this card to 3* so I can cardify it up cuz theres now way I'm gonna farm it up all that way with this bs

[main dirge]

rift 8

[thorn mango]

What about rift 8?

[slim mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/ej-sweevilej-crystal-ball-my-crystal-ball-is-on-the-fritz-gif-12049040

[magic marten]

Is it possible with the pets i have unlocked to beat the mimic ? Or do i have to push for something? Wanting to unlock cheese for chocolate chip

[thorn mango]

https://tenor.com/view/killed-em-hold-this-stabbed-gif-14017151

[slim mantle]

!guide follow the spreadsheet, its quite useful. Try with the best u have available

[candid scarab]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[bronze moth]

just got balance of precision 😎

[west ingot]

Is w4 elite classes a good boost in progress?

[faint willow]

elite clases abilities are a very good boost in damage overall

[bronze moth]

yes very good boost

[west ingot]

Will I see a boost in money aswell?

[bronze moth]

because of the % main stat talent and also bubo's +% all stat can be op

[west ingot]

Since bubo is like the money farmer or something

[bronze moth]

ehhh

[faint willow]

you get a good amount of money from quests i think

but from farming, not that much a boost

but you should get enough for a while

[bronze moth]

elitus gives you 8 or 7 dementia coins for completing the quest

[faint willow]

is there a cap for afk gain

[slim mantle]

No, u can keep stacking afk gain % as much as u can find

[faint willow]

Nice

[slim mantle]

Endgamers are starting to get close to 1000%

[faint willow]

[slim mantle]

But like I said, endgamers xd

[white path]

what about damage? has anyone gotten QQQQ?

[faint willow]

and i was feeling good on 110

[slim mantle]

I do believe so

[slim mantle]

Ur in tutorial phase of the game xd endgamers are in a league of their own

[faint willow]

this is tutorial? 🗿 oh god

its fine, im having fun :3

[slim mantle]

Pre w6 is tutorial xd

[faint willow]

is 26 that long?

[shell quarry]

People are well beyond QQQQ damage

[faint willow]

w6*

[slim mantle]

Just to even reach the end of the world will take u far longer than to reach the world. And the game doesn't end there xd

[faint willow]

in a near future: "Pre w7 is tutorial"

[slim mantle]

We'll see. From what I heard lava is in the habbit of making the previous world easier with a new world release

[bronze moth]

bru i need siege breakkerrr

[hard steppe]

Hows the crystal mushroom pic going?

[bronze moth]

@hard steppe

[hard steppe]

nice

I like the shading

[tender fable]

how do you get more slots to print items?

[zenith hare]

gem shops

[tender fable]

oh

[open kite]

Is there a guide to follow for the labratory? I like the bonuses it gives but having 8/10 players in there isn't as fun.

[verbal crow]

Just bought out the W4 armor stones only to barely finish a single piece of gear. 20% success rate my ass lol

[hard steppe]

try joining a guild with most bonuses unlocked if you want a better chance

[verbal crow]

I didn't even know that was a thing

[solemn tulip]

how come whne i log on steam version sometimes

i get big boosts in stats? do some bonuses only refresh/apply when you log on pc or something?

[stable parcel]

Do poeple usually have 10 accts unlocked by wordl 4 or end of world 4??

[slim mantle]

characters u mean, no

[stable parcel]

There are pins for end game setups but early game is pretty much just put enough characters to level up a little bit but you will always sacrifice 4-6 characters for a long time with no doot

yes i meant characters,
So when do people usually unlock #10? by the time they get to w5 seems about right??

[slim mantle]

more like early w6

[stable parcel]

do u know what the overall lvl req is for #10?

[slim mantle]

1500

used to be lower but lava upped it quite a while ago

[pure helm]

Its not that bad. You can still get to W6 in under a month if you are willing to play all the time. (most people will take longer thu)

[short heron]

How should I be farming 100000 cooking ladles?

[slim mantle]

by cooking, but don't start on it too early, wait till u have some good ladle income

[wheat dirge]

Hey guys, if I leave a character active-afking in rift, am I guaranteed to eventually get a lava skull mob?

[slim mantle]

depends on the class

[wheat dirge]

What classes are best for farming lava skulls? and are there any specific strats?

I'm on SB right now

[short heron]

derp yeah true, forgot that's how you get ladles

thank u

[slim mantle]

es full auto is easy, sb is second best but u might want to redirect ur sb to high tier skulls as he tends to stay in place and higher tier skulls are timed (so u have to kill them in time)

[short heron]

yeah like the above poster said although i still managed to do it full auto bubo

[wheat dirge]

wdym they're timed? and by direct him, do you mean manually kill? Above what tier do i have to kill in time?

[slim mantle]

direct him as in sending him to the place with the higher tier skull mob, for example if ur on one of the 2 long platforms at the bottom and one spawns on the smaller platforms higher up, make ur sb go up to kill it
they have some timer until they despawn their skull, I have seen it happen when doing sb myself so if u see like a platinum+ skull go kill it asap

[wheat dirge]

Thank you guys!

[pure swan]

so quick question whats happening here

my max food stack is 592, this guy was just afk for a day and before that he was afk for 5

i refilled after that 5 day but still

all that time i dont think hes consumed a single health potion

[slim mantle]

u got automation arm?

[pure swan]

hes still consuming damage potions and bread despite the damage pot being the same % to use

[pure swan]

whats that? idk if i do or not

[slim mantle]

this, level 2

[pure swan]

no

[latent bramble]

not having auto arm but maestro guess i've been really afk on alt

[pure swan]

oh no this is my maestro only

i had this guy before w3

[slim mantle]

hmm I have an idea of what it could be but I'm not certain on it

[pure swan]

these too just in case they're relevant

[slim mantle]

since it has the same consumption mechanic it might only be consuming the orange one as it's first equiped slot compared to red, once orange is used up it'll use red
but again, I am not certain this is what's happening

[pure swan]

thats weird and actually pretty convenient

[white lintel]

...great captain lava, really appriciate it

[latent bramble]

welcome to the club

[magic marten]

hey guys where can i see how much of each spice i have ?

[white lintel]

IE or IT or in the kitchen upgrade menus

[white lintel]

this club sucks

[pure swan]

wait a minute

i have an ideeeaaaaaa

[slim mantle]

u can try it out, probably proves or disproves my theory pretty quickly

[frozen osprey]

breedability speed that is the speed in which the eggs upgread its lvl? if now is there a way to speed up the eggs?

[slim mantle]

breedability is a multi to ur next pet chance

[frozen osprey]

ok so is there a way to speed up eggs? or is it a set time no matter what?

[torpid acorn]

theres the egg item to get them instantly i know

i dont know any other buffs tho...

[slim mantle]

theres also a jewel

[tender steeple]

Does apocalypse zow have to be done on THAT barb to get the credit? i have 3 over 100k on my death note but the tooltip with 1 point still says i have 0 apocalypses caused

[noble moth]

hello, how can i rank up combustion? it says i need to refine it at "max power" but idk what max power means

[slim mantle]

put auto refine on 0% and wait for the bar to fully fill up, the refine button changes into rank up

[tender steeple]

that sucks

[noble moth]

oh tysm, didnt knew bout that

[zenith hare]

ik it probably isnt but that LOOKs additive

[slim mantle]

idk, I always felt like it was additive but I may just imagine things

[zenith hare]

i mean its a simple test at least

[slim mantle]

feel free to :p not sure how u would test that one

[proven river]

two questions
one, does the trapping efficiency of characters still affect how much is collected, even when it's placed by another character on the automation building?
two, is the onyx statue guide in the pin still accurate? it says that DK's respawn affects crystal mobs and it seems not to

[pure helm]

You mean orb? Yes the orb affect crystal drops thats its main use. No it does not respawn crystal mobs.

[slim mantle]

1: efficiency is decided upon placement so with the guy that placed it
2: where do u see that statement? I can't inmediatly find it

[proven river]

ah k

[proven river]

2. i read it wrong nvm

[torpid acorn]

If i used the automation to place my DK traps while on my bubo does that use my DK or bubo efficiency?

[pure helm]

Use BM for that thu.

[torpid acorn]

Well that’s ambiguous cuz its DK’s trap and technicall the automation is placing it

Thats why im asking

[slim mantle]

I would have said the owner of the trap if that were the case

[pure swan]

what are some things in early w3/mid w3 that i want on printer because i dont know what to actually go for other than the refinery

[slim mantle]

w3 refinery upkeep prints are the way to go

[torpid acorn]

Griffybit has a good printer guide i use that

[slim mantle]

griffy 🤮

[hidden violet]

Don’t like his content?

[slim mantle]

who does

[hidden violet]

I’ve been watching his guides on YT

[slim mantle]

poor you

[torpid acorn]

He has good quality guides honestly. I could understand disliking the stream content but not to that extent

[hidden violet]

I’ve never seen a stream. Just his guides which seem solid

[torpid acorn]

I even see griffybit links in the spreadsheets sometimes

[slim mantle]

his guides are not good, they are warped from when he stole them from this discord :p

[brisk mauve]

If you are a p2w player, griffy guides do help to some extent

[hidden violet]

Who do you prefer if not him? I didn’t see too many creators haha

[slim mantle]

litterally any

[torpid acorn]

Be sometimes posts stream segments like account reviews. They are pretty aggressive though so i dont like em

[cold crescent]

Is uh pet odds supposed to scale down this fast?

[slim mantle]

quite normal when u just put in a breedability pet in the fenceyard which it looks like u did

[cold crescent]

Ah

Just never seen the number move before

[hidden violet]

Ohhh I watched a few of those reviews to see what he recommends

Seems like a helpful roast 😄

[torpid acorn]

Yeah but i think he sometimes has a bit of endgame bias so a lot of the time it just seems like hes roasting the whole acc

[slim mantle]

I had the displeasure of checking griffy videos when I started out, the only good guide he has is how to get megalodon trophy

[hidden violet]

That’s fair

[pure helm]

This game isnt complicated enough to need much in the way of guides. Some people get really into the math but its not like that helps them get better.

[waxen aurora]

do pet shinies need to stay in the field to get their buffs? or can we swap them out once leveled?

[slim mantle]

you do realise all those true math nerds are endgamers right? :p

[slim mantle]

u can swap them out, they're perma buffs

[waxen aurora]

ty

[pure helm]

Your progress is determined by how much effort you are willing to put in not how good at math you are.

[pure helm]

Ya some of them are.

[torpid acorn]

I’ve experienced quite a bit of optimization throughout my path to W5. But its mostly just focusing not nitpicking so i mostly agree

[slim mantle]

I put in a lot of effort and get far, but I got no hope of catching up to endgamers

[pure swan]

tf is this supposed to mean? "5 whoppers... and 5 more whoppers" ahh upgrade

[pure helm]

You lapped me.

[pure swan]

do those +2s stack

[slim mantle]

yeah could run circles around ya, endgamers run circles around me 🙂

[torpid acorn]

The math is also kinda fun a lot of the time i wish it was brought to the light a bit more so i could know whats doing what

[slim mantle]

u can lurk into endgame chat from time to time, they tend to bring it up :p

[pure helm]

Ya thats just 4, idk why its split in two parts.

[hidden violet]

That’s great cause I hate math hahaha

I trust others to do the math

[pure helm]

Well as long as you are willing to play alot you will progress faster.

[slim mantle]

but reaching endgame takes whaling and truly getting into the details of mechanics :p so late game is best u get with just putting effort

[hidden violet]

That part is no probs. Always down to grind

[restive cosmos]

This does not seem to work anymore. Does anyone have an updated version?

[pure helm]

Rotations are also on the wiki.

[dusk ledge]

Is there any reason to do breeding specifically on my BM?

[slim mantle]

no

[sudden coral]

why doesnt this work

with cooking

[dusk ledge]

It only works with world 1-3 skills

[slim mantle]

it's a w1-3 only kinda talent

[sudden coral]

ah okay thanks

[slim mantle]

basically 6 skills u care about for it, mining, chopping, catching, fishing, trapping, worshipping

[empty mulch]

facts

[dusk ledge]

though good math certainly helps

You can get it from other people though lol

[hidden violet]

[latent bramble]

https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Template:Lab_Rotation

[restive cosmos]

Got it
Thanks!

[wet ravine]

can someone help me with caustic glaciaxus?

[mighty aspen]

will i have trouble starting w3 at a low level. im planning on pushin with the barb but hes super low

i should be able to get 3/4 amarok with the gold weapon and viking helm and w3 stones

havent chcked the recipes yet but i have tons of mats

and all the recipes are unlocked

[torpid acorn]

I think your fine? I would need to see your barb to know if he is good enough

You should probably be pushing constantly regardless though

[mighty aspen]

hes level 30 fishing with level like 20 smithing and i can do some mining if i need more talents

[torpid acorn]

But be aware the pushing has a bit of a meta for W4 so youll need to switch off barb

Those lvls dont really matter what you care about is damage and defence

[mighty aspen]

yes hes just for w3, w4 unlocks elites quite early right

[torpid acorn]

Yee

As long as you keep him geared the lvl doesnt matter as much

[mighty aspen]

i have like 8-9 fractals and can get the max food from w3 shop

[torpid acorn]

How about other things? Like roo, stamp, alch?

[west ingot]

do you get more value off of active? and also im trying to get the stupid 10k pincers for the plat pick do i 3d print that? or afk the area to get the pincers? or both?

[mighty aspen]

stamps are meh same with alch. roo is been a slog as im trying to ge a bunch of points

im getting like 600 cauldron per hour and 2 liquid so i can work on alch

and stamps im just grinding mats for the important combat ones

[torpid acorn]

I got it with afk. As long as it takes less than a week to get the mats for it on one lad your probably fine

Thats my strat though you can set the bar lower for if you wanna buff you droprate or something first

[mighty aspen]

i havent struggled with survivability at all in w2 so i doubt it will be a huge problem unless the damage scales very high

i pushed to boss room with just kebabs

[west ingot]

w3 is where issues start

[pure swan]

w2 survivability is basically free

w3 you kinda gotta put effort in but ive been pushing with an mman and doing perfectly fine

[torpid acorn]

As long as your doing things your fine, try to get at least a few bubbles upgraded per day. Even though it is hard to get the mats for them at your stage

[west ingot]

mman?

[mighty aspen]

yeah im not letting liquid cap out

[pure swan]

on my mman only dw im not throwing like that on an actual account

[torpid acorn]

Maestro

[west ingot]

oh

[mighty aspen]

i get a few distilled then do bubles and vials

how high do the accuracy reqs get in w3

[west ingot]

im like halfway through and its around 2k

[mighty aspen]

hmm ok

ill do some more shaq then

[west ingot]

like almost all my characters have the substat in the talents almost maxed

[west ingot]

I dont even have it unlocked yet 🥲

[mighty aspen]

im not sure if i have it or its the next one

but im very close at least

[west ingot]

i only have fmk my next bubble will be shaq tho

[torpid acorn]

Chizoar is 1875 acc for 100%

[mighty aspen]

is that the boss

[torpid acorn]

Oh yeah it is sorry

[west ingot]

this is penguins

[mighty aspen]

end of w2 is like 600 with like 300 for the boss

[west ingot]

6 rooms away from the boss

[torpid acorn]

Is that on the card? Cards sometimes lie

[mighty aspen]

looks like from afk info

[torpid acorn]

Ok yeah its fine

Check on the wiki for stats i do not trust idleon with info

[mighty aspen]

i should get my 6th char a wiz tommorw

[west ingot]

why tf are things before chizoar harder o hit

especially that many rooms away

[pure helm]

Because boss were nerfed.

[torpid acorn]

Oh yeah that happens a few times i think idk when it stops if at all

[mighty aspen]

thanks for help guys. ill start w3 tommrowo once my silvers done and hope to not immediately stall lol

[torpid acorn]

This is the stats for the last enemy. Youll need to kill a few for a quest to unlock the boss

[west ingot]

i felt very lost in w3 and still am lmao

[mighty aspen]

did you do all the w2 progression

[west ingot]

I dont even know 😎

[mighty aspen]

ok

well ill see ig

[torpid acorn]

Just come here if you ever need anything homie. We got lots of guides here 👍

[west ingot]

funny that you think i even know what i need im THAT lost

i keep looking at guides like alchemy but alchemy is time gated because liquid

and i kinda need fish but my barb is pushing

[torpid acorn]

Yeah alch is a “do it when you can” sorta thing. Even i sometimes ignore the strats cuz i wanna use my mats for something else

[torpid acorn]

Yeah looking back i probably should’ve mentioned that pushing with one of the W3 classes was better

I used squire

[west ingot]

and im working towards plat armor but the more i look at it the more i realize plat is not my most important need for the armor

[torpid acorn]

As long as your refinery isnt wrong then your fine

[west ingot]

w3 class?

[torpid acorn]

Yeah the ones that specialize in W3 skills

[west ingot]

oh

i mean should i swap to squire?

[pure swan]

Ready for chizoar?

[west ingot]

the fuck did bro need 7k acc for

[pure swan]

maestro's damage and accuracy are both luk

[west ingot]

oh fr

[pure swan]

so while this account sucks at damage its really good at accuracy and drops

[torpid acorn]

Low damage. Chizoar has 20m health

[west ingot]

you would have to hit him at max damage every hit 308 times to kill him

[torpid acorn]

You also have pretty low defence. Zero on chizoar is like 3k range

From 2.5 to 4.2 k

[pure swan]

ideas for ways to increase my damage?

[torpid acorn]

Fuck if i know man your using a maestro

[west ingot]

idk how maestro works

[torpid acorn]

Backtrack a bit on stamps, alch and post office ig

[west ingot]

should i have post office unlocked by now?

[pure swan]

is the chizoar fight even difficult because i heard somewhere that, at the stage you fight them, amarok and efaunt are by far the hardest

[west ingot]

just time consuming im pretty sure

[torpid acorn]

Chizoar is ezpz but your gonna be spending like 30 minutes in a fight where you can be onetapped

Like you can do it but its idleon not darksouls

[pure swan]

these are my stats under shrine

[torpid acorn]

Still a onetap i think

Yeah i think so. But im assuming defence is linear when im not sure if it is or not

[short siren]

They seem to be very accurate but that whole lines damage is lamentable

[torpid acorn]

Even still he has like 600 damage overkill on you

[west ingot]

not that this helps a ton but the dotted underlined are defense required for 0 damage

[torpid acorn]

Yeah thats what im using

[west ingot]

is unlocking the post office global or do i have to do it on every one of my character

[torpid acorn]

Im seeing he has like 10% of that so assuming its linear it would be 10% damage reduction which makes the damage still more than his max hp