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Congrats mag
5k gang
My game is bug.
Good job mag
Most people hit bomb or hole first run into dungeon
My game is bug. I use an account and the game won't save.
We can't do anything about that
Sorry.
If your game didn't save, you'll have to either start over or stop playing.
IF you bought gems with cash you can PM lava and he will help you. If you did not, nothing you can do about it.
Make a different google account or don't connect to google play
So wheres the official Chicken Odyssey discord server?
I want to complement the dev on such a great game
K well, now that I neglected all the homework and projects I have due tomorrow to participate in this thrilling event, guess I should go finish that 
Shame on you Mag, get that homework did
Hey snow
Meaty meat.
I got prescribed with Avanza (I think that's how you spell it)
It login google play itself automatically
Ah, Mirtazapine my old friend. That's what that drug is.
I just used the retail name lol
As long as it's not Avinza.
lmao no
WHATEVER you do, DO NOT grind it in to a powder, wrap it in toilet paper, and boof it up your bum
Personal experience, vad?
You can sniff it, but even that is dangerous
No I'm just warning you not to boof drugs
That's a drug for clinical depression but it's also an insomnia drug
So it might help you sleep good and help stabilize your chemical balance.
Unless you boof it
Vad likes to boof things
I snort Xanax. Lmao jk jk I just take it normally.
You being a barhead explains a lot
And Sertraline.
And Trazadone.

I haven't been to a bar since I turned 21.
I can't drink that stuff technically.
Can't you already drink?
21 loooooL
I don't have any fuckin money to take your canadian ass to a bar lol. We'll get a bottle of Everclear and some mixers and stay home.
its ok im paying
Moooooonshine!
9 years is a long time to wait
He's 17
People just assuming his age. Lmao
it was a joke nerd
Your butt is the only joke I see here
oh my
Nobody is assuming I tell everyone he's 12 even though I know better because its funny
Funny is gone. Lmao
Lmao made you tag him
Love ya Funny. :p
That's cause he's smart.
And he is the only mod who will strictly follow the rules.
LOL
I follow the rules
real mod we mean
Vad, you muted me for a cookie
no
I muted you because you said you hoped I would choke
you deserved the mute
๐ฅ ๐ฆ
Out of nowhere
I am still mostly angry at you lmao
120 million+ american adults die from cookie choking per year
AND it was only for 2 minutes AND lava unmuted you because he felt pity for you
Yeah you were only muted for like ten seconds lmao
his superpowers havent come back
Oh. Oh. Mute bray for ten seconds and then mute me for 10 minutes for bribing a mod.
Lmao
hmm
fake
we should unmute nut and ban him from saying "Ok"
and remute if he says it
and place bets on how long he lasts
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I have a google drive with the WAD files if you want to install a port
I played doom on my X4 9550 machine
yes vad
I still have the floppy disks of doom and doom 2
And by disks I mean it. Doom 2 came on multiple disks
You got the chex quest wads vad?
Yeah I have them on my machine but haven't added them to the drive
Ah. I like the finally released 3
I ended up buying a whole bunch of titanium sporks because of those games.
Aw I need a floppy drive because I have some files from my late uncle on floppy
Actually
I only have the WAD for ChexQuest 3. Looks like I need to download the others
You can get pretty cheap externals meat
my PC has a floppy slot
I have an external floppy I got from a rummage sale for 10 cents
funny
i dont have these because like i dont require them at all
I have a floppy bay and like 3 spare optical drive bays
All the doom games are canon. Can't wait to see what references are in Doom Eternal.
i uh might buy doom eternal
Uuuugh I cannot wait for DOOM Eternallllll
All I need is a floppy drive and 3 optical drives and I've filled all the slots
I know I got it for free, I still have to wait for it to be playable
A burrito launcher?
LMAO
No but seriously I have to look up what a optical drive is.
CD/DVD/Blueray
i dont have one of those either
Kind of neat that for like $50 you can get a drive that supports every optical format known to man (except LaserDisk)
Had dial up until 2005...
Yes.
a drawer for your pc
I have 3 empty slots (one already has an optical drive in it)
i would keep lil usbs in there
i have soooo many
I know that picture s bullshit because I've met 4 or 5 people that had a tray there and EVERY one of them kept weed in it
I remember coca cola at one point had a holiday gift that sung a song then gave you a free cup holder.
oh yeah
It just opened the cd drive
You need to download a DOOM port to install them in
ok ok
Like ZDOOM, Chocolate DOOM, etc
ok im installing zdoom
ok goodnight
Gnight Snow
ok
Silverstone Aluminum Front Panel 5.25-Inch to 3.5-Inch Bay Converter FP55B (Black): Hard Drive Accessories: Amazon.com.au
so i got zdoom, and the wads
Gn snow
oh that worked
Here's a more recent version of the infographic
https://i.imgur.com/mH0gZT9.jpg
DOOM GOOD
Vad I'm thinking of buying the stuff for my PC very soon, is it worth getting the 2600 instead of 3600
Like I'm running it off B450 anyway
Or should I wait for the 4th gen to come out because price drops?
If you're thinking of buying the stuff soon then you're not waiting for the next gen lol
Yeah should I get it now or wait
If you're waiting for the next gen then wait and see what the price does
Ok I'll wait
But if you want to game NOW then buy now
Also the 3600 is better than the 2600
Actually in Australia the 2600 is only $10 cheaper, used to be $70 but someone marked it up lol
I would say to get the 3600 even if the 2600 was $100 cheaper honestly, 300MHz is a lot of performance
Here you go Bray
https://youtu.be/pG8RAbWs1yo
In case your soundblaster was correctly configured and you played DOOM it was possible your printer did something like THIS!
Composed by Bobby Prince, DOOM was published by id Software 1993
Thank you!
thanks for opinion vad
Aye. I mean, my opinion is Don't Wait but maybe the price will go down, IDK. I've definitely seen it stay the same more than once tho
Also meat you listen to that too lol
ok so i died
No chance vad
I don't mind tech recommendations but like definitely not sound tracks
listen to the fucking video peasant
They made the printer do a music
"Hey, not too rough"
gg
we are proud
lol thought you were talkin chicken odyssey
yeah
oh i need to submit my 7,658
lmao
lol dont want to miss deadline

I've got enough addictions to not start a new challenge in my life
oh you think im kidding lmao
๐ค
actually im going to submit it a minute before the deadline
and own these forkers
And enough photoshop skills to cheat my way into winning
ok buddy you do you
I do you
anyone here play tabs before
๐๐
ummmmmm
๐
Wink wink
๐ฆ
Where is @everybody.
@everybody
To spam some more wonk wunk letters
dad
Damn, he gut upset and left?
Didnt mean to hurt his feelings
dad
Do i hear something?
Felt like some pixels whispering
ok y'all boomers
Uuhg
That's coz u didnt use a virus condom
Hope my language is not too erotic for 6yr olds here
xd
lel wat
the only mail he delivered was sperm
don't be bob the unbuilder 
inside mom
Btw, you gained 200 points of social shame
Brayden, that's The Ultimate DOOM, DOOM 2, Master levels for DOOM 2, and The Final DOOM in that folder
Mods be like: this is normal
we don't go around filtering our language for it to be """""adequated""""" for 6 year olds
I'm more embaressed to be so old, and talk to children like this
also we are not 6 year olds lol
Yet!
ok so the igg game had a goddamned virus
If I pull out my bionicle collection u just cum in your lil pants
I'm more embaressed to be so old, and talk to children like this
if you're so embarassed already don't even try to imagine in 2040
i feel im the only acceptable age to be on this server
Lel good one
lel
all of you boomers are too old
Me living in 2040
shut up bray
I'm a goddam millennial
haha
!kil @golden ivy
1967 is boomer territory
The only thing living in 2040 is my toumor
Stop picking on my mother's birth year
:^)
fuck
Its hard to write, since you just learning the alphabet
oh ok
Pff
eeek
Anything is a malware today
I defend the use of potentially strong words as long as they aren't used to offend anyone so imagine in 2030 xd
Especially EA games
yee
so now im getting the same game but like 3 versions down
EA games are just a cashier nowadays
Btw anyone played Crysis?
meh
You suck
no im russain
probably kvetko
Vpn, torrents?
Tough shiet
I'll download for you
And upload it
On my gdrive
In an archive notavirus.rar
puts virus on the way
What can I possibly see on you computer
ok chriss
why not call the file coronavirus.rar 
do it
Corona virus is a hoax
same
They died of food poisoning
They eat rats and whatnot
Freshly baked straight outta sewers...mmm
Wtf
Internet providers wanna screw me over
Charged me more than it should
Brb
And they do it in the middle of the night
To not notice
Musdafuggers
sue them and force them to pay you a $100M debt :^)
Now their "support" service doesn't work lmao
-_-
internet providers only want money nowadays, they don't even care of supplying the connectivity they promiss
honestly internet should be free nowadays
And I come from europe..I know what internet quality is...in the US fucking sucks
I worked at an ISP for a while, 99% of the time the issue we were called out for was the user's fault and could have been solved by them following the instructions given over the phone when they called in.
But yeah, we did charge way too much for the meager connection we offered
the US isn't anymore a first world tech advanced country lol
Usually its 45$ for 200mbps, but they tried to pull a sneaky on me and charge 60
wat
They have, but too much for that price
And I don torrent as much
Like I did in my country
those bitches
you're better off just getting those random routers which got no ISP lol
honestly speaking internet should be a basic social service already
we are in 2020 -_-
We are currently experiencing higher than usual wait times. The current wait time to connect you to an agent is more than 15 minutes. While you're waiting, you may find your answer by visiting our support site at spectrum.net/support/"
I just found someone with the same pfp as jodoc
in the deep reality I know lol
Or atleast when jodoc was a peng
Down
if it's a DoS they deserve it
They heard u talking about the 100million
wat
Seems like someone else was charged more than it should lel
ISP: hehe 5mbit/s for 40โฌ
reality: 512kbps for 60โฌ
seriously
who in the fuck has lower than 50mbps today
Me 

In my country gigabit connection is like a default
here in spain you gotta not pout for 512k connectivity
Noice
Idk my speeds
And no I am not a satanist
It's just always free when I try to make new accounts
23TB upload
I can give the account to my kids and grandchildren
Ratio still won't go down
This is the only thing I am proud of in this life lmao
My legacy
23TB 
I can give invites if someone from europe wants
Pretty huge community..but mostly Romanian
well
But anywhere in europe you should have a good speed
Je ne sais pas qu'est que tu me dit
Shame
no U
Cya
Epstein didn't kill himself
Duh
Vad so Kawaii
U fukken know it bb
Gold night to you too
Funny whyare you demoted?
Funny did u get demoted
I played it like 4 times, got 2k though lol
I swear to god u were a mod
Don't worry Funny. I'll still take care of you when I become purple
I did hear vad is replacing funny
:O
But only if he mutes heiz
And then someone will replace funny
!tempmute @bold quest 10s Dudes told me to
I don't think that description is correct
Guess what lava will think when the jr mods play around with the mute command
Sad
Lava does not give a single fuck about me muting you for ten seconds lol
And if he did, he can go and look at all my other mutes in the history and see that all the real ones for any significant length of time were completely justified and done in the service of maintaining the discord
@warm sphinx What
I wonder if that nut guy is still mute
Petition to extend mute
Ahegao pfp
I thought at least this game will be without bugs but no

You don't like my new kawaii eyes?
May
artist right here
Yes, ahegao eyes
Plus a fashionista with the amazing choice of clothes and armor~
That's better
Huh, this just happened to me lol
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-accidentally-sends-out-find-my-mobile-push-notification-galaxy-phones-worldwide
Use #bot-commands for that
Well dang, giess that bomb at 5k for the contest really caused me to lose out. Ggs all round tho
The second place score is also higher than Rising's lol
so the event is over huh
wait I got 5099 I didn't realise I was still in the runnings lol
by top score do you mean the zoomed in one?
if so it looks legit
dungeon bar is bright green
ye I see what you mean
no idea, I couldn't see
but that is suspic
when I did my cheat run, the chains on the ceiling killed me
I can do a quick cheat run see if lag doesn't kill me
welp, died straight away again in dungeon
it's actually nuts
and the progress bar doesn't appear right away annoyingly
and the nothing hat doesn't have an icon above the progress bar
we'd need lava to check
chains look random too, so there might well be a point where there are none on screen
better run this time, 5400, doesn't look like the progress bar fills
for all intents and purpose, the run is valid
!oceanman
Take me by the hand, lead me to the land!
We want land
rip 2007xman
good morning guys ๐
you might not have read the rules
but you can probably say you're a top 5 chicken odyssey gamer in the world rn ๐
oh xmen ๐ฆ
I tried so hard just for the cards not even care about the gems...
Yeah i read the rules
Then stuff happened
That's why i have to screenshot the stat screen
I don't even know that screen exist
Yeah ๐ฆ
i just did that ๐ man!
i been to the cave like over 10 times hiting 4500+
one time a dang bomb went into the gap and warped in the middle of the next platform๐
Did you know
also gz on those chains later in 6
You can actually double jump?
what off bombs?
i know you jump higher if you pound on them too
the slam actually appears to set your grounded state to true, allowing you to jump, so if you jump before lading, you just fly up
if you can mash at 60 Hz, you will just stick near the ceiling
no I'm making an ai, through the power of autohotkey
ah lol
naturally the first thing you test is spamming jump
although, the day/night cycle is actually a huge pain, cuz I can't just get the pixel colour reliably
also for some reason the sun in the desert is a circle, while the others are squares
man getting to the w6 was hell lol
ye lol
I only got there cuz of super hexagon reactions on my first run through on pc
lol
ya time my throws very well. i was on one run killing every wolf till about 4700 and that dang bomb glich got me
nothing?
??
Its still there
discord being glitchy?
its here on my end
Oh hey you are right RisingStar
You can actually fly your way up to Dungeon and die to the chains
ye
lol
is a shame cuz it means anyone on pc could have done that to get to dungeon
i did not know they hurt
Do you mean the shitpost is missing Funny? I removed that before you said the channel was locked
Yeah i mean then everybody could just outright flying to dungeon and land try for the highscore
I just know the double jump on the bomb thing
i pone time hit one and then another with out doing a thing
that was fun lol
im sad though that i did not make the time
so close
but you can probably say you're a top 5 chicken odyssey gamer in the world rn ๐
@dapper sleet
Oh man look on the bright side, though!
and I might get run out by a stats screen
i was working on this for about 3 hours
fun fact: the stats screen counts 1 higher distance than the tombstone screen
hu
Just gotta look on the bright side!
I mean, it's possible lava changes the rules on us again and gives everyone who got over 5k a prize of some sort
Yeah stat screen is 1 score higher can confirm that
well time to check see what i got done in idle skill
๐ฆ
worrying intensify
lol
Oh yeah is there a way to delete comment that goes with uploaded pics in Discord?
Yes
Nani?
funny can you compare meteor and szabam's tombstone pics?
When i tried i edit it clear all the text then press enter it just delete everything for me
You can edit it out easily
not saying szabam is cheating, but that chain + double blue balloon + same quests all completed + no hat is a bit sus
Discord also hates u
also lmao the background's identical from what I can see
Ew light mode
Seeing the light means you're near death
Lemme complete that revelation by choking you
you'll never believe it
it looks like the current top scorer, quantum nerd, may have copied my screenshot
all other dungeon scores so far are legit tho
I'll dm you funny
hey lava's on
cool
it's just, while it seems unlikely that stuff ywould happen, there's a very very slim hance since the game is not the most complicated
also the ai is dead
Lol
I've made 3 seperate ways that all flawless the grasslands, but the trees in the jungle's background killed all of them
Yeah the trees went all the way to the bottom of the screen
would be nice if lava could give me a simplified version, just no background, or black/white
even just no day/night cycle would fix it
Well then just told them to screen shot the stat screen to recheck maybe
And submissions must be tombstones since it's easy to get a high score via auto clicker cheating but the cost is having a near 0 coin count
And potential copying
Or photoshopping etc
Good point
oh ya that would show up with coins
Yep
Surprised no one pulled that on us tbh
Like a blatant low coin count but new score and original background
@broken topaz wtf dude
And @viral coral
For reference, I overlaid Sza's post over Meteor's with the edges lined up, then reduced the opacity by 50%. You can easily tell they are completely identical except for a couple numbers.
And the quests are even identical too, of course
If this cheating is actually happening or Lava has expected this to happened then my stat screen screenshot is not going to help me have them cards then ๐ฆ
We've also had someone do a second submission but they were 9 minutes late :/
Is there anyway to know if the "cheating" scores is actually legit or not
to be fair meteor you were talking about low coin scores? krzychuo has a low score for 5.2k (60) but I don't think there's a reasonable way to say that's proof of cheating
could just have been unlucky
Donโt you have like infinite gems meteor? Did you run for the pride
the cards are the awesome bit, not the gems
It's possible he was unlucky with coins, or just jumped when he needed to. But at 66 he had to have at least ran the arctic zone and onwards
Yes they are ๐ฆ
or ran first 2 worlds then flew
True
I'm leaning towards legit for krzy, I think he's good.
ye same
just throwing out the possibility
the absence of a functioning progress bar is a pain lol
Boat, I ran for the cards :p
I wanna find out if I can donate my 6k winning gems
ye I was gonna sugest that
If I can, it would be split between the other 4, so they'd get 1500 more each
that's really nice
But yeah that's because I pretty much have 44m gems in pachi waiting for me
.... em i seeing the scores right.... dang it
Also I took a few pics of my first dungeon run just in case, with wolves moving around
๐ good show
Meteor: Wins
Everyone else: theme from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly plays
Possible, you were late 9 minute I'm sorry :(
I feel you Possible..
I honestly feel a bit bad for getting first and calling out 2 cheaters, because it does seem like I'm an evil mod abuser for it >_>
I mean, I called out one of them with my STUNNING photographic work
Funny actually pointed out Sza's score to me
ya your not the one that stated it
At first I thought it was real
Yeah I know I was there
whom I pointed both out to ๐
But I glued the newspaper clippings together
But it looks like some of the photoshopping was actually copying numbers from other submissions
Easy to line stuff up that way
one of them also only changed the middle numbers
Funny thing is my 2nd run in the dungeon was 2 points behind my first score. That was freaky.
Should've been one score ahead. Climbing to the top, one inch at a time.
Also the fake scores were cropped like hell
I think only your bluestacks one was skinny but still legit, Rising
When do I get to eat the cheaters?
ye I didn't want it to take up too much space, but forgot discord autoscales lol
Yeah but then again can we tell them to take the screenshot of the stat screen then send them immediately be able to check if they were legit or not?
i tried blue by the way. score there was back on here though... studdery
They could not respond for a while as they photoshop
they could be lurking and already have a photo ready too
I must consume the flesh
You'd have to mention them and ask for a Pic within 1 minute
Like if they respond with a hello or something
Even then they may have shopped the scores page ahead of time
I imagine it's more that they ran the game for a few hours, but couldn't get a legit score. felt like they deserved a win and cheated meaybe
Deserved nah, they knew what they were doing. The cards are sick
tho, since they didn't change the backgrounds in any way, photoshop out bombs, etc, I doubt they thought that far ahead
ya this would be good if we could record run after end
Would be hard too with the background being a specific wrap
then we would see if they really did it
lol that's exactly why it wouldn't be too hard
How about take an another phone and take a video of the game opening the stat screen?
alo ye game still progresses while it's on the end screen
It will be hard to editing a video with a running game though
That might work, also possible they could edit their high score value
I won't explain what they could use to do it, but I have an idea
It assumes they can beat their previous score a few times, at which point they might as well try for a legit run
looking at it, it would be really easy to cheat completely legitimately lol
jump fly to dungeon, change score/coins, win
is meteor6666 meteor? ๐ค
if you didn't know about flying, you could still take your own quests, own coins, choose a sensible non-copied amount of distance and coins, then you'd just need to crop out a couple bombs/enemies, wrap he background and shift it, overlay some torches, win
jump fly to dungeon, change score/coins, win
This is also what i thought
A video of the whole run would be best yeah
I found myself a meteor too
Not really saying you are not legit or anything Rising
Idk I just searched meteor6666 on steam and you were the only one
your game inventory is set to private tho so it was a fruitless endeavor
Because i atually thought the 4th and 5th winner is trying to fly through the dungeon
Cause how can you actually die in the beginning of the dungeon so fast
I sent you a friend request also, if you don't want to accept it I understand... and will cry
But then i saw your coins and score then i thought that was legit
but only for 5 hours or so
enemies can spawn while you're in the portal
and cuz they attack so fast, there might already be a bomb on the floor
if you slam after the portal, you might just die lol
Good Game Designโข๏ธ.
Lol
Ngl I kind of want to tag the cheater that's online until he shows up to pretend he's innocent
Lul
I'll let lava do it tbh, I'm sure he has something funny for them
Or at least wait for him to comment on it
Hmm
Yeah i also want to find a way to confirm if they cheated or not
Well I for one am 100% sure sza did
Cause it will be really sad if their hard work score are rejected
We have a way to confirm.
BRUH
Oh yeah, and my strategy was tossing meat at the center of the screen where the wolves mostly spawn. Had a rhythm going for it. I focused on the jumps.
^^^
Ohhh my god
Some of the people on the hentai focused subreddits can't think up a title to save their life
Lol, same. Took less than an hour to figure out that strat, had a couple runs where I saw like three or four wolves in the entire first two levels because they died offscreen.
True
Then dungeon came and it was like "welp, I hope I can jump even harder"
WHAT @tame sparrow elaborate
The drumsticks can kill multiple wolves also if they are packed together
Yup
Sounds like a horny Fallout ghoul tbh
LOL
Anyway I'm gonna try to rest for like 20m and head off to work. Might pop in during a break.
Have a good rest meteor
I also thought that what if i call a friend for help so that one can focus on jumping and the other focus on killing
congrats funny
Guess someone beat me with a 0 Rebirth to complete the base Rebirth upgrades
LOL
Unless
Hey i also did that!
๐ท
morning yall
Alright imma off to sleep
@dusty spear dont go yet
Stay up all night to get that high score for the awsome cards but then my stupidity kicks in
Yeah @tame sparrow ?
Just wait a little bit
ayo he's here
Who's where?
ok nvmd you can go
lava
Guess I'll have to press this many times
sleep good
can you not use max craft?
G'day peeps
G'day
You need those traces?
LUL
Meanie
I don't really need the traces
I just need more kills
So I can get to Incarnate
And get more kills
Then why not use max craft?
Numbers mason, what do they mean
@dusty spear come back lmfao
@dusty spear congrats man!
The one on top is the one from manual pressing and bottom is max craft @high dust
just get more ore lul
I'm still getting it slowly
AC and you are good
ayy you got in 2007x
He already went to bed cuz I told him to go lmfao
Apparently my phone ||wants me to die and|| is incompatible with Auto Clickers
i think John Google needs to start making an Idle Skilling specially designed phone
the Idle Skilling pro v7 deluxe Model phone
John Google is the lesser-known younger brother of John Wick. He went to college instead of becoming an assassin
that was great fun really though
each deck has 28 cards
thanks for the contest was a lot of fun โค๏ธ
BLAZE IT
yea i think i have enough
Do you have less than 84 winrars
ty for making a event out of it. never would have pished so hard. tyi i think 2 4 years ago i played this game... know i have no doubt i did. was short though cuz back then i was a plab at it and did not feel up for just hats
I'd also like to take this moment to lament the fact that I have never won a contest with a randomly selected winner.
My IRL RNG is improbably low.
so right in ur 2-4 year timeframe
ya i think i picked it up cuz it poped up back then
id like to point out that im honestly excited for the announcement in #๐future-content-blog whenever it may be
ill be the first person in HISTORY
hey lava what happens if you beat dungeon?
history of the entire human kind
past present and future
to say that they have a "big announcement"
and it NOT turn out to be some shitty merch line or something
hm?
Was dungeon intended to ever be beaten cuz it's brutal 
Unity
we want to break it apart lol
why did you regress to stencyl?
Lol
senator, my game is not a monopoly
ill keep the game around on my phone and see if some day i can beat 6
why would you go from a real game engine like unity to the make believe fantasy that stencyl makes?
thats a good question senator
Is afterlife part of the next update or a future one
id like to consult my lawyers and follow up with you at a later date
Afterlife is what cheaters will experience once I've eaten them
mostly I want to know if the game just falls apart, crashes, loops to grasslands, new stage etc if you beat dungeon
Lol
Who is a cheater
the fact that the progress bar doesn't work there suggests it wouldn't like it
7 decades
mute him for ten thousand days
you're purple again
it loops to grasslands
Just remote the first guy
why were you blue though? did we ever find out
Remute*
make him beat the dungeon