lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[stable parrot]

But doesn’t it cap?

[austere mica]

This?

I don't understand

[simple wadi]

Not that I'm aware of

[stable parrot]

Tent = tenteyecle

[zinc torrent]

Tenteyecle, that little eyeball talent

[stable parrot]

Night market

[austere mica]

I mean it's at 100

[stable parrot]

There’s a 10k cap per plot per like thing on the crop, like I have 5 dangly things on mine so my cap is 50k per plot

[stable parrot]

Well, how far away are you from lvl 200

[simple wadi]

Instagrow Generator increases the number of dangly things on your plants.

[stable parrot]

Ah wonderful

[austere mica]

My max library is 153, and then I think you can add 40 from something

[stable parrot]

What’s your minimum talent level

[stable parrot]

No

Uhh

Put 1 point into tenteyecle and tell me the level it turns into

[wild onyx]

kith's got +38 so it will be 39

[austere mica]

39 yes

[wild onyx]

9 hour checkout on 12th book is no bueno, you should work on increasing checkout speed when you also start going for max lvls

you need 20 for a guaranteed checkout and rn you won't be able to get that

[austere mica]

You're talking about the library in the construction?

[wild onyx]

among other thigns

[stable parrot]

Finish pushing salt lick and merits for the 2 max library you’re missing

[austere mica]

Missing frogs :(

[austere mica]

Need 200 more blue salt I think

[stable parrot]

Get it when you can then

[austere mica]

Okay, okay

[stable parrot]

You’ll want to push to get lvl 200 because it essentially unlocks alchemy for you

[austere mica]

So where can I get those last levels

[zinc torrent]

Sailing

[stable parrot]

I can’t tell you without seeing your account or you telling me what you have

Do you have rift slug or fury relic

This should be all the info you need

[austere mica]

Eh, I have rift slug, just not the fury relic

[stable parrot]

Great, you’re very lucky

Now go read the sc I sent and get to work

[austere mica]

Why is it or?

They don't work together?

[stable parrot]

225 is over 200 and 200 is the breakpoint

So you can get either one to hit 200

[zinc torrent]

400 is the breakpoint

[stable parrot]

600 too then, 800 even

[austere mica]

mm okay okay

But then I have to be lucky with the book

[zinc torrent]

400 is achievable rn, tho, 600 isnt

[stable parrot]

You’ll live, there’s leeway with many of the sources so you don’t need a perfect book

[austere mica]

And why is it that the es has to be a certain level and not the bubo?

[stable parrot]

ES family bonus

[zinc torrent]

At your checkout speeds and levels, probably better to gamble for high level book than wait for 20 to max

[austere mica]

Mm okay, well I guess I'll level my es

[stable parrot]

Should be a piece of cake the lvl I asked for is attainable even with just w5

W6 makes it free

[zinc torrent]

Or maybe farm the sailing gfood to 10k to progress that

Assuming you have w6 beanstalk

[stable parrot]

Idk if he has any decent DR or choccy

[austere mica]

I have

[austere mica]

No choccy, just 14 dr

[zinc torrent]

Okay, scratch that idea then

[austere mica]

Is there a better place to farm xp in w6?

[stable parrot]

The furthest map?

[late tartan]

how do i get other color bits in gaming?

[austere mica]

Alrighty

[stable parrot]

Every E12 or E16 is a new color

So just get more bits

[late tartan]

wdym e12

[stable parrot]

10^12

[worldly moat]

does EM have a masterclass?

[wild onyx]

no

[late tartan]

oh im not even close 😭

[worldly moat]

ah...

[stable parrot]

Tf is an EM

[zinc torrent]

What is EM?

[wild onyx]

elemental mage

[worldly moat]

sorry, meant ES

💔

[stable parrot]

🥀

[worldly moat]

I was gonna get mine to map 4 for masterclass

[simple wadi]

It just indicates how many bits you have. Every QQQ is a new color.

[worldly moat]

does divine knight have one?

[wild onyx]

it's just BB and BM now

[worldly moat]

I saw an icon in the dungeon lobby

[stable parrot]

Only BM and BB

[zinc torrent]

No, ES likely won't have master til late this year

[worldly moat]

then why are there icons T T

[stable parrot]

Not out yet

[late tartan]

yea ty

[worldly moat]

guess he's going back to praying

[stable parrot]

Only a few weeks from now will mage MC come out

[zinc torrent]

Those have been there for years

[zinc torrent]

Bubo next master, tho.

[stable parrot]

Says who?

[worldly moat]

they gave it to the ones without stacking kill buff

[long snow]

after getting c15, 29 engi, 16 measurer can i just fully invest into bolaia ?

[worldly moat]

so maybe bubo is next

[stable parrot]

Conjur is important too

[worldly moat]

they're also the W4 classes

[wild onyx]

the guess of bubo is based on world skill orders, and bubo is the only w2/w4/w6 left

[simple wadi]

At that point, I suggest doing equal spread instead.

[long snow]

ok thanks

[simple wadi]

All your opals spread evenly across all your villagers

[stable parrot]

Hunter was w3 and w4 skill specialist just saying

And ES fits summoning more thematically

[long snow]

is it to future proof ?

[worldly moat]

is this tuff?
ignore the 0 prayers

[wild onyx]

mmm i like your reasoning

[stable parrot]

You can reset opals

[zinc torrent]

Dk fits divinity over ES, too...

[worldly moat]

they can just make plague doctor into necromancer though
he already has a skill of reviving the dead

[stable parrot]

Yes, but mage as a class fits it more though bc it’s more magicy

[worldly moat]

might just say he revives thee slimes lol

[simple wadi]

Not sure what you mean by that, but equal spread results in more total exp than just putting all opals onto one (and especially two) villagers. You'll also make progress towards when Lava releases C16+

[austere mica]

For xp, it's better active or afk?

[long snow]

yes i understand but the current max usuable level for explorer was level 15, so to put opals after level 15 would be to be preparing for future content

[stable parrot]

Won’t happen I don’t think, DB has that identity

[stable parrot]

Oh yea, but I wouldn’t do that after what happened when people prepped last time, just focus on getting max Conjurer and good bolaia before you prep

[zinc torrent]

Active, bc crystal spawns give lots of experience

[simple wadi]

Nobody lost experience from Lava's change

[austere mica]

I see I see, thank you

[dusk garden]

how does bravery monument works should i always fight or wait until a treshold of multiplier and what are the best upgrade to take ?

[austere mica]

What's the best thing in wing slot for xp?

[zinc torrent]

They didn't lose any... but the upgrades now vs future are worth

[simple wadi]

The multiplier exists so you don't feel pressured to do it every day. It results in the same rewards as if you had done it every day. So do it whenever you want, but before the multi caps out at either 2.4x or 4.8x depending on your schematics.

[worldly moat]

true

[austere mica]

Ooh, I didn't know that

[stable parrot]

Yea but xp reqs we’re buffed and xp sources were buffed too so the prep was a bit weird. So I think it would be a better investment to get your hole more progressed than to sink time into explorerer especially since C16-20 isn’t gonna be for a long time

[stable parrot]

Technically the blooming pets one but it’s additive so it’s not very good or worth spending money on it

[simple wadi]

People who invested time into explorer still ended up with more progress towards engineer and measurer than those who didn't, giving them a head start. So I disagree. Equal spread is the way to go. Plus, there's no proof Lava will repeat what he did.

[austere mica]

mm okay

[neat siren]

this one is good for minmaxing but it's meh

[austere mica]

I leveled up from 240 to 275 in 1 second T-T

[dusk garden]

thnkas

[austere mica]

How do you get it?

[neat siren]

if you're doing active exp farming you should be using the phoenix wings so you can do more damage

[stable parrot]

I think that because of lengthy wait til next cavern update it’d be better to just wait til later when you have better xp and push explorer then instead of do it slowly with current rates

[neat siren]

it's from a pack

[stable parrot]

Especially if on ES

[lost galleon]

If I did divinity to level 40 on all my characters and now have them sitting in lab.....what is the lab goal to get to?

[stable parrot]

When you can hit every node

[zinc torrent]

With the current caverns, though... wouldnt recommend pushing explorer. Conjure and study give boosts now, explorer gives nothing

[neat siren]

*this does not include the liquid node, do not use that unless you know what you're doing

[lost galleon]

levels give pixel width?

[austere mica]

I see

[neat siren]

yes levels give line width

[austere mica]

Mhm, thank you

[simple wadi]

And I disagree. Even if it's a lengthy wait, you'll still have made significant progress towards new content now. Further, the exp multiplier from equal spread is not insignificant. You'll be making decent progress to both conjurer and librarian regardless.

[neat siren]

we need a kaito copypasta for this

[weary aspen]

:)

[neat siren]

bro got the idle skilling hat before like, everything else

[weary aspen]

XD

[stable parrot]

Alright we’ll we can disagree that’s alright

[simple wadi]

It's not alright. I need a signed document admitting your defeat in this discussion. Notarized by your father so he can be disappointed in you.

[zinc torrent]

Im gonna go with arctis on this one, unless you got inside info from Lava

[neat siren]

oh holy shit there's an exp mult breakdown on IT now

[stable parrot]

Someone’s late to the party

[neat siren]

i'm surely not that late

[weary aspen]

I agree with you
If anything, your liberian can research stuff a tad bit quicker

[stable parrot]

5 months late

[neat siren]

oh so we just lying now?

[stable parrot]

Duh

[neat siren]

[simple wadi]

Probably not. Arctis is saying to put all opals into conjurer and librarian, which will likely result in a marginally higher exp rate to librarian at the expense of progress to future content.

[weary aspen]

oh then I agree with arctis.. what's the point of investing in the unknown when you already know u can make your liberian faster and get more conjuror points to spend

[simple wadi]

Traitor.

[austere mica]

Is this what you guys wanted me to do it for?

[stable parrot]

Putting opals into all for equal spread isn’t bad if your total xp output is higher on the ones you’re targeting

[weary aspen]

muhahaha I'm the vilian here

[stable parrot]

If C16-20 was closer I’d say prep was good but
/shrug

[neat siren]

i say leave your opals uninvested on anyone so you don't get any benefits whatsoever

[stable parrot]

This is the way

[neat siren]

oh arctis i finally got star sign doubler today

[weary aspen]

if you have everything maxed out that doesn''t make sense... just make liberian faster... why waste progression by investing on AIR?

[stable parrot]

Took you long enough

[neat siren]

i ain't gambling chips again

[austere mica]

What does this mean

[neat siren]

the caverns aren't done

[stable parrot]

The talent symbols of beyond

[zinc torrent]

Talent

[austere mica]

Is that a star talent?

[stable parrot]

Elite class talent

[austere mica]

Ah must be this

[neat siren]

the exp you invest into your villagers will be carried over when c16-20 come out eventually

[simple wadi]

You get higher total experience from equal spread. Like 30% more exp.

[weary aspen]

ye but what if next cavern is like cosmetic? what if next cavern comes like 5 years later.. what if when next cavern hits there will be a huge multiplier for hole afk?
like the vault

[neat siren]

?

[wild onyx]

i just realized from that giant picture that those aren't keys on a keychain

[neat siren]

none of the caverns are cosmetic

[stable parrot]

Notice how it’s named symbols of beyond?

[stable parrot]

What if I did your mom in her minivan

[neat siren]

also wtf is a hole afk mult

[austere mica]

I think so

[weary aspen]

ye but why waste like 30-50 opals on the unknown? when you can make your liberian's xp gain 3-5% faster?

[simple wadi]

A multiplier for people who AFK in your hole, duh

[weary aspen]

+the opals

[neat siren]

you get like, barely any study rate from leveling bolaia

[weary aspen]

yeah but better than nothing right?

[solar drift]

Don’t be so sure about this

since the reason why the exp got splitted was because we didn’t get any warning

[neat siren]

yeah fuck lava

[simple wadi]

They aren't wasted. They're creating more exp than you'd otherwise get, but in anticipation of future content.

[sturdy shell]

It's a bit boring to have everything unlocked at the start so I'm probably just gonna stick all my opals in studier once I (reasonably) max everyone out

[weary aspen]

good point
my mom doesn't have a minivan so you just wasted a bunch of effort for nothing

[simple wadi]

It was split, but not removed. You still kept the same amount of exp, which I've said before.

[stable parrot]

Caverns won’t be cosmetic as it doesn’t fit the precedent set by previous caverns. We will get 1 monument, 1 skill node, 1 hole resource thing like well, harp, jars, 1 combat cavern, and a special cavern like bell, lamp, gambit

[neat siren]

sure if you wanna think of it that way, it's "better than nothing", but the only scenario where this benefits you is if lava completely resets all future exp the next cavern update

[simple wadi]

Next skill node should be fishing, no?

[sturdy shell]

Maybe the special cavern for cavern 20 will be the long awaited player housing feature

[neat siren]

yes it will, there's already a slab item for it

[zinc torrent]

But... is the higher exp worth not pushing study now?

[stable parrot]

He won’t reset it but he might divert it into other villagers

[late tartan]

do afk kills count for this?

[neat siren]

idk man lava's been making some stupid fuckin decisions recently

[simple wadi]

Considering 90% of games who add "player housing" make it boring and lame, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Lava also says a lot of stuff in passing that never gets added.

[neat siren]

he can just decide to reset it

[solar drift]

And I said that we probably won’t get another split when 16-20 get released

[late tartan]

awh alright ty

[solar drift]

due to his warning of „pre leveling explorer“

[sturdy shell]

A girl can dream

[neat siren]

you'll be doing active ww anyway so you'll be fine

[simple wadi]

Dream of W7's burger flipping skill with me. I want my bubonic conjurer to be a frycook lineman.

[weary aspen]

you said it yourself
whales are prepared fully for the new caverns
it wouldn't be fun if all the top players instantly just got evreything
so there is a chance for some stuff to change

[sturdy shell]

W7 will be burger flipping, ice skating, and reading

[stable parrot]

R word dude

[neat siren]

hey you can't use that word

[zinc torrent]

Bean burgers, though, bc they're vegan

[sturdy shell]

sorry, r*ading

[neat siren]

you should be more careful

unless of course you meant Reading, the state in the UK

oh it's a town nvm

[sturdy shell]

The entirety of world 7 is just a British town

[neat siren]

that would suck

shop would be selling fish n chips and a bo'o o' wo'a

[weary aspen]

to be fair.. every town IS your housing in idleon... idk what else you want... XD

[simple wadi]

Make Lava read Pride and Prejudice for inspiration for W7.

Except with burger flipping.

[neat siren]

alternatively he could read 1984 for inspiration for W7

[sturdy shell]

The w7 boss is a giant cuppa tea

[stable parrot]

Most later game players will be preped no matter what, lava has to make the new content somewhat accessible to newer players as seen with C11-15 releases with huge xp buffs through villager statue, fomo shop, and Sam pet. If he didn’t add those multis then it would’ve been a lot harder for everyone if you’re just using the new cavern xp multis to get progress

W6 boss is the wacky waving giant inflatable arm tube man

[neat siren]

final picnic stowaway quest

[weary aspen]

I don't know Lava, but knowing a tiny bit about his games, he won't. That would make a lot of people dissatisfied.

[neat siren]

you say that, the companions update seem to have made a lot of people dissatisfied

[weary aspen]

that's different than losing progression is it not?

[neat siren]

and his recent greed has also been a lot more controversial

[neat siren]

it is in a sense losing progression, cus f2ps can't exactly get said companions easily until the trading update

like doot is just insane, but locking it behind a 200+ pity made a lot of people angry

[zinc torrent]

F2p can't get companions woth trading either, bc they're all locked

[stable parrot]

If lava were to reset anything again there would be huge outcry, moving is understandable but resets like the dragon statue should be avoided, i do agree that dragons being later in the caverns is better for balance but he definitely shouldn’t have kept people in the dark on if the statues would get removed from the MK pool

[simple wadi]

They survive off the kindness of others.

[neat siren]

lava being a solo dev really doesn't help cus no one is there to actually consider his decisions

[zinc torrent]

Yes, we do. But no one gonna give duck for free

[sturdy shell]

People call Lava's decisions him being greedy but I think it's far from it. They're just terrible business decisions

[simple wadi]

You guys are likely too young to remember the massive backlash to the pet system. The game went to Mostly Negative on Steam for months, and Lava didn't touch the pet system again for a couple years even though he said he'd add new pets every 9 weeks.

[sturdy shell]

Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence (or lack of foresight)

The fact he doesn't have a team to even at minimum bounce ideas off of does make him prone to making a lot of stupid decisions and not fully consider the player base sometimes

[weary aspen]

also you say greed..., but what you don't consider is development time, living cost, development cost, server cost.
if it's your way of living is to make a game you better make some money out of it!!
and if you want to make the game accesible to people one way of doing it is exaclty what he is doing
you make money with selling progression
and some people buy it and some people don't
net positive

what would be greedy is to make like an expansion that costs money after people specially f2p players spend so much time on their account

so far everything makes total sense and seems reasonable

[zinc torrent]

I'd say hes getting ready to cash out... maybe after w7 release and all masters

[sturdy shell]

He's gonna cash out once he's done with w8

[simple wadi]

He's promised W8 minimum

[stable parrot]

We all know how trustworthy lavas promises are

[fallow aurora]

maybe not all

[solar drift]

if he would actually want to earn money he could have hired people and actually code the game

[sturdy shell]

I think that's the indie dev pride at fault

Don't wanna pass on your baby to other people

[stable parrot]

He has a history of ego issues too

I think he just needs other people to consult not necessarily work on the game

[solar drift]

Still waiting for chips change

Mfw I have to wait 1 year for 1 doubler chips

[sturdy shell]

Yeah having a team of people be there to bounce ideas off of or gather stats would be a great potentially low-cost idea

There's always the risk of him just hiring yes-men for that tho

[weary aspen]

bro you don't understand how hard game dev is.. especially in a team!! people give up left and right people argue left and right people give HORRIBLE ideas that gets accepted left and right.. being solo dev has many benefits if you can actually manage it

[sturdy shell]

I've participated in game jams before bro, I know the troubles

[fallow aurora]

the community has great ideas he could listen to

[neat siren]

and we can see how that's played out

[weary aspen]

just look at all the big games.. why do people play idleon when they can play games that were made by like 400 people or 700 people..

bc more people doesn't equal better game

[sturdy shell]

But less people doesn't equal better game also lol

[neat siren]

ok tbf no one ever said this was a good game

[stable parrot]

Heh just hire me I have zero bad ideas

[simple wadi]

Harieiv worked for Sweet Baby Inc. = confirmed

[solar drift]

which game have a 400-700dev

the fuck

[sturdy shell]

My uncle worked at sweet baby inc before being hired by nintendo

[neat siren]

not devs, probably just like a whole team of people

[neat siren]

hey i understood that reference

[weary aspen]

community is full of good ideas
but then you look at the whole picture and realize out of those ideas like 1% is good the rest is dog

[solar drift]

we play idleon because is a easy accessable mobile game that got turned into a 24/7 active game

[simple wadi]

Concord, Anthem, Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, Forspoken. Probably

[zinc torrent]

14k ppl play idleon on steam, many games have higher numbers

[solar drift]

most of the ideas is literally QoL

and he have people (mods) that flter those ideas

[stable parrot]

I definitely agree, the suggestions page is full of some awful ideas, very rarely are there any good ones

[sturdy shell]

But yeah like the problem is not a simple "more people better" or "more people worse", it's that historically this specific game with this specific development cycle and issues would benefit from having a few people that would at least discuss with lava about his game design choices and at most maybe help in making the new updates more solid

[solar drift]

now iamgine we have a team to actually IMPLEMENT IT

[neat siren]

we have a whole #best-suggestions-✅ channel for this reason

this is to filter our that 1% so lava can see it

[sturdy shell]

And the job of a game dev when reading player ideas, even the bad ones, is to pinpoint that there's a problem somewhere in the game, not necessarily to just take the suggestion at face value

[weary aspen]

I honestly think idleon is an insanely good game
especially the beginning is like an actual adventure..

[stable parrot]

What was the last best suggestions thing that got implemented?

[neat siren]

that's my entire point

[sturdy shell]

100 bad suggestions for something still means that there's a problem somewhere that needs to be addressed so even the bad suggestions matter

[stable parrot]

I don’t remember any of them getting added to game

[fallow aurora]

he uses reddit for suggestions instead of the discord

[neat siren]

community has good ideas that lava never implements

[stable parrot]

This is true

[neat siren]

that is true

[austere mica]

I don't understand, autoreview tells me I can craft this in the anvil. But if I already have the tab 2 of the anvil. Doesn't that mean I have already crafted it before?

[sturdy shell]

His development cycle seems to leave him little time for qol improvements since he's so focused on a constant barrage of new contents

[zinc torrent]

I suggest every failsafe fail gives 10% upgrade chance

[wild onyx]

is it referring to greenstacks

[neat siren]

hell no lmfao

[solar drift]

ye we can see that right now

[stable parrot]

Slab used to work based on items you pick up from the floor instead of an inventory scan

[neat siren]

you do not greenstack that any time soon

[weary aspen]

ok how many people play idle games in general? how many people play mmo games
now how many people play mmo rpg idle games like a FRACTION of that
that's why it has so few players not bc it's bad
people who like idle don't see idleon as a WOW THIS IS SO COOL I WANNA PLAY IT

only people who like idle games AND like mmo rpg games look at idleon and say that

[wild onyx]

maybe YOU don't, coward

[stable parrot]

It’s cheap asf to gstack fym

[neat siren]

i'm already working on it

[sturdy shell]

He took on an almost live-service model for this game which is just crazy to do as a solo dev. Like I couldn't imagine the Stardew Valley dev doing giant expansions every few weeks

[neat siren]

at where kith is at dad please context

[simple wadi]

Didn't you already finish the 200 GS equinox? 🤔

[neat siren]

i did

doing more greenstacks is cool and fun

(pointless)

[austere mica]

hmm okay

[stable parrot]

Idk if I would say idkeon is an MMO tho, it has a few MMo aspects but not very developed in that direction

[solar drift]

the mmo got removed from the title

[stable parrot]

It wouldn’t be hard for him to gstack either tho

[weary aspen]

there is a thing with us being human that the more we work for something the more we apritiate it. I don't wanna go too deep into that since this channel is about w5 questions xD

[solar drift]

i wonder why

[sturdy shell]

Barely an MMO and barely an idle game, the perfect balance

[austere mica]

huh T-T?

[neat siren]

notice how he changed the fucking name of the game

[zinc torrent]

Okay, what's that have to do with dev count?

[solar drift]

no thats just you being a machoist

[simple wadi]

I like how this whole conversation can be traced back to Arctis and I discussing equal spread of opals.

[wild onyx]

just killed an abomination over the course of about an hour and then realized afterwards i did not have my ww bow equipped

[solar drift]

i am not gonna sit at a clicker system where the only upgrade option is 1 per click

[austere mica]

no just slab item

[neat siren]

i was telling arctis how at where you are in the game you don't gstack that item until later

[weary aspen]

I highly disagree with you. just bc there are bad suggestions doesn't mean something is at fault
EVERYTHING is fault even if there is no suggestion
it's just about how much energy and resources you wanna spend on the thing to make it as good as possible but never perfect

[solar drift]

thats not something i would "appreciate"

[austere mica]

mhmm

[sturdy shell]

...what?

[wild onyx]

you likely crafted it before the slab update

just craft it once more to add it

[neat siren]

bro is on his hill dying

[stable parrot]

People complain no matter what

[solar drift]

bro cant accept that lava should just hire some people or actualyl get help to fix some part of his game

legit no one here said idleon is bad

[sturdy shell]

Just because there's bad suggestions, doesn't mean there's a problem in the game to solve, but also, everything in the game is at fault...?

[solar drift]

just need better QoL that could be implemented with help of more people

[neat siren]

i'm looking for a question that i can actually answer in this chat

[stable parrot]

I think lava just needs to do another QoL update too, we’ve had so much content drops but little QoL

[sturdy shell]

What's 1+1

[neat siren]

3!

[stable parrot]

Where’s the fixenings 2.9

It’s not 3 or 3!

[weary aspen]

I agree. I would say bad advertising to be honest. I love idle games but a few years ago, I looked at idleon and said.. eh I don't wanna sink time for an mmo

[neat siren]

by lava math you would round that down and it would be correct

[sturdy shell]

Idleon is missing a lot of qol features that would make it actually more like an idle game

[neat siren]

on another note, ww max atom levels has helped my cooking a lot

[sturdy shell]

I agree that a qol focused update would be nice

[stable parrot]

I need to do more WW but I really don’t want to

[weary aspen]

have you actually played idle game?! what you are saying makes no sense

[neat siren]

that's what i thought a few days ago

[stable parrot]

I got to w5 and went back to CCing

[neat siren]

do you realise how active idleon is

[solar drift]

bro is so early to the game

[solar drift]

he dont even know that idleon is not idle

[neat siren]

you must not be at the point where it gets active

i can think of 6 different classes to play actively right now

eh actually, with the most recent update it'd be 5

[stable parrot]

IdleOn more like…. Never Off 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🥀🥀🥀🥀

[neat siren]

why did that actually make me laugh

[solar drift]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-gif-25485057

[weary aspen]

most "idle" games are active

the point of the games are if you wanna midmax spend time
other wise the game will grow on it's own

I'm making an idle game rn and that's my philosophy for it

[stable parrot]

[weary aspen]

either midmax grow FAST
or afk and come back to a ton of loot

[sturdy shell]

I played cookie clicker, egg inc, revolution idle, and some smaller stuff, and this is so wrong

[neat siren]

it's 5am man

[weary aspen]

that's what an idle game is

[solar drift]

ah yes "ton of loot"

[wild onyx]

i thought ngu was active and this game makes ngu look autonomous

[solar drift]

me when i can farm that ton of loot in 1 h active time

[stable parrot]

500 monument hours sure is a ton of loot

[solar drift]

https://tenor.com/view/mutsuki-blue-archive-dance-aru-gif-17041885297907705452

[stable parrot]

That and candy exists

[weary aspen]

I would say 1000000000000 coins is ton of loot xD idk about you

[neat siren]

the most active idle game i've played up until this point was antimatter dimensions and that is nowhere near close to the level of activeness of idleon

[sturdy shell]

"otherwise the game will grow on its own" but that's... That's the point...

[stable parrot]

Incremental game is incremental??

[neat siren]

hey i know an idle game

[neat siren]

2, of them, actually

[weary aspen]

isn't that idleon?

[solar drift]

bro have not reached w6

[stable parrot]

Notice how both of these were quite disliked by the community

[fallow aurora]

I dare u to get all onyx statues without activing

[weary aspen]

😂 I have but I have not experienced the crazyness with your coins yet XD

[solar drift]

ye and i can assure you will never get there without being active

unless you want to play this game for 10 more years

[neat siren]

and he also said that he will not add another clicker

[sturdy shell]

Idleon has a lot of idle features but you can't have the full game experience while idle

[weary aspen]

isn't letting your character auto farm and you sleeping on your bed IDLING?! XD

[neat siren]

bro thinks he's zuiq

[stable parrot]

Can you link the quote?

[neat siren]

sorry i like parroting hearsay

[solar drift]

on stream most likely

[sturdy shell]

Like, cookie clicker, egg inc and such you can easily log on for maybe 10 minutes a few times a day and do all the active stuff you want and your account will progress in all factions of the game

[neat siren]

i've heard a few people talk about it and point it out before

[stable parrot]

Holy egg inc reference

[solar drift]

idle is closing the game for me and reap the benefit

[neat siren]

i never actually saw him say it himself

[weary aspen]

ye but how many idle features does skyrim or world of warcraft have?

[sturdy shell]

If you don't stay active in idleon for a long time you literally can't progress certain things

[sturdy shell]

Holy argumentative fallacy batman

[weary aspen]

wow you could say like 1 every expansion and skyrim 0?

[solar drift]

i am literally paying money to play the game because i have to pay for electricity xd

i need my closign game arc soon

[weary aspen]

yeah but are you ACTIVELY sitting behind pc and playing with keyboard or u just turn AUTO on and do your bussiness

how can you chat rn when you are playing the game at the same time?

[neat siren]

no one actually plays this game "actively"

[stable parrot]

He said that after roo wouldn’t be w3 clicker, and then the hole was gonna supposedly be a clicker but it was changed to turn into what it is now with lavas big break and whatnot. I don’t think in that time period in his messages he said he wouldn’t add more of them but he definitely knows that they’re not liked and I don’t think he’ll add any more traditional clickers

[weary aspen]

or you can play actually actively and speed up the progression by a lot.

[solar drift]

talk about yourself

[neat siren]

yeah this about sums up what i heard

[worldly moat]

niche stuff

[neat siren]

hey i like being the exception (i have the game running on my phone)

[pastel kayak]

Got my first green egg @neat siren

[sturdy shell]

Not really... At a certain point in both games I mentioned there's nothing more you can do active to speed up your progression, clicks in cookie clicker don't do much anymore and hatching chicken in egg inc won't produce enough money for you to buy any upgrades and you have to close the game and wait

[solar drift]

you dont like candying bubble for the 0.01% bonus ?

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-muppets-meme-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-16984538577250620315

[weary aspen]

I would argure same with idleon after you level up everythin and actually get to end game all you can do is do hole and nothing for the trophy

[sturdy shell]

Idleon obviously still does things for you but it has way too much mandatory micromanaging and lack of automation from certain features that disqualifies it from being a "full" idle game in my eyes

[weary aspen]

and maybe sometimes upgrade bubbles and sneaking and such

[austere mica]

Can be my birthday every day now

[sturdy shell]

I'm too hungry to keep arguing this right now

[weary aspen]

well it was never meant to be a full idle game
it's in the name
massively multiplayer online role playing idle game

[stable parrot]

Definitely not, you can do active CC basically infinitely for alch progress, and Candy click linear bubbles or push others to closer to max. Crystal farming is also never over bc more gfood is always good and same with more statue levels.

[sturdy shell]

From a game design perspective this game is lacking a lot of automation that most games in the idle genre have and that's a fact, whether you want to still call it an idle game or not is not my business anymore

[weary aspen]

if it was simple idle game it would have said idle game XD

[strong shale]

game is pretty auto

[austere mica]

Who's up for a party dungeon

[strong shale]

im casual and end game :x

[stable parrot]

It’s an incremental game not an idle game really

[neat siren]

even lowgun is here now

[stable parrot]

Let’s see that tome score

[wild onyx]

wanna run w2 or w3?

[strong shale]

but i havent really done my tome tasks

[stable parrot]

[strong shale]

i dont specifically do things, like the w1 td and shit

[wild onyx]

i've been 50% tome for like 2 months

[strong shale]

just happen to be top 1

[weary aspen]

I disagree... bro everything is passive it's just there is A TON of stuff to do.. cogs generate passively hole passive fight passive skilling passive
but there is so damn much to do that it takes SO MUCH time to actually get things going
alchemy is passive sneaking is passive almost everything is passive
everything grows by it self you just speed up the growth

[strong shale]

[neat siren]

we are snapping your neck promptly

[wild onyx]

cogs are active
hole is active
you push the most while active

[sand summit]

How do u farm golden kebabs. Ive read 2 conflicting reddit threads on it somebody says do w2 collo the other person w6 collo. Whats the correct one

[solar drift]

"speed up" thats the problem

[sturdy shell]

Lacking automation =/= not having any automation

[wild onyx]

i think literally everything you listed is active or at least much better active

[stable parrot]

Cogs are NOT passive

[solar drift]

thats what we called active

and if you dont do that you can stay behind for few years

[pastel kayak]

@strong shale got my first green egg now

[weary aspen]

do you craft cogs by minigame? or do they generate and then you sort?

[sand summit]

How do u farm golden kebabs. Ive read 2 conflicting reddit threads on it somebody says do w2 collo the other person w6 collo. Whats the correct one

[strong shale]

green eggs are the coolest

[strong shale]

w5/6

[solar drift]

w2

[sturdy shell]

Idle games when worship claims that must be done per character and manually enters the chat

[cedar badge]

W2 arena

[solar drift]

w5 is extra when farming golden bread

[wild onyx]

dude you're going to get reamed, you haven't been playing long enough to know what the metas are

[sand summit]

REEE EVEN HERE PPL TOLD ME 2 DIFF ANSWERS TET

[stable parrot]

You make cogs and delete cogs and every once in a while replace a cog, and then you click too many and you white screen

[strong shale]

HAHAHA

[solar drift]

no one mentioned w6

[strong shale]

if shiro says w2 then its w2

[sand summit]

Ill also go with shiro's answer he knows everything

[weary aspen]

I agree xD you are 100% right

[stable parrot]

I got most of mine from w5 colo and my previous stache, but I need more tbh

[solar drift]

you either Farm it in w2 to get extra gems + candy or get it while farming Bread in World 5 colo

[strong shale]

i mean we have the worship totem thing, it wouldnt hurt to press it once on each character

[sand summit]

Is it still a thing to mass farm colo tickets from post office 6th task?

[sturdy shell]

That's a band-aid to the problem tbh

[strong shale]

its not really a problem

[stable parrot]

Even the nothing island isn’t an idle grind

[solar drift]

not a thing anymore but you can still farm colo ticket there is just way harder

[strong shale]

just sit there stacking charge for 3 weeks, use ES skill and press 1 button

[solar drift]

lava basically thanos snap the chance to get ticket

[sturdy shell]

An actual idle would've introduced a late-game upgrade where you can auto-claim worship, or claim worship for all your characters from a single character like you can for trapping

[strong shale]

if ur really that lazy

[sand summit]

Ooofff

[strong shale]

ES enters the chat lol

[wild onyx]

nobody tell her

[stable parrot]

Xp tho

[solar seal]

thanos snap implies 50% cut. it was more like a 99.99% cut

[solar drift]

i didnt have any better example

[sturdy shell]

When he designed the skill to actually stall your account XP wise that's not an encouraged mechanic to use lmfao

[solar drift]

[stable parrot]

Charge siphon is a throw

[solar drift]

@sand summit

[weary aspen]

maybe es masterclass adds that feature same as hunter

[solar drift]

[sand summit]

Eugh

[strong shale]

be lazy and you get less gains than someone who isnt lazy

welcome to life

[sturdy shell]

Nah if he wanted charge syphon to be the efficient and the proper "burden-alievator" method for players to use for worship it wouldn't have so big a downside

[strong shale]

if worship is the reason you hate this game, well then you wont last 🤣

[stable parrot]

I think it’s just an oversight from lava in the beggining when he made it and there’s not an easy fix to it in the game dev side

[strong shale]

you get 10 characters for a reason, theyre all meant to be used and progressed

game has idle in its name and its furthest from an idle game

[sturdy shell]

please quote when I said I hated this game

[strong shale]

never said that but it seems like you have plenty of issues with the game, id say thats distaste for the game :p

[sturdy shell]

That's true and it's the reason for many things in this game

[solar seal]

that my friend is what we call a bait and switch

[solar drift]

if you are not hating idleon, are you even playing the game ?

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-a-thousand-miles-gif-1721997480211008823

[neat siren]

shiro has a point

[sturdy shell]

Yea I have issues with the game because I like it and it could be so much better

[solar drift]

me when i play league fr fr

[weary aspen]

I think there is tho, with es master class.

[strong shale]

thats the case for so many games unfortunately

[neat siren]

whoop de do can't wait until 2 years later when that comes out

[sturdy shell]

The child you hate you just throw them in the dumpster and forget about them, but the child you love that is going down a path you dislike is something you actually still care about

[neat siren]

idle skilling seems to be in said dumpster

idle summoning is probably gonna make this one the next dumpster baby

[solar seal]

-# btw, where are my potions?

[solar drift]

-# i have to buy it ...

[strong shale]

maybe i go for top 0.5% in tome..

[neat siren]

potion seller...

[solar drift]

-# the last potion got stolen

[weary aspen]

have you considered different people have different tastes

[solar drift]

-# his face was hidden because of his long hair

[sturdy shell]

Impossible!

[solar drift]

-# and he had that weird looking watch

[sturdy shell]

🙄

[neat siren]

i do like how he just nabbed his own stats for this idlemancer image

[stable parrot]

So you don’t hate the game, you’re just passionate about it

[neat siren]

i suppose reusing assets is a good thing in game dev

[solar drift]

arent we all

[stable parrot]

Yes

[solar seal]

one can passionately hate a game 🙂

[solar drift]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[neat siren]

i am passionately hating the ww stone chances

[stable parrot]

If you passionately hate something you wouldn’t interact with it so much

[neat siren]

(lava pls)

[solar drift]

if only you know what kai have been doing

[simple wadi]

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin

[neat siren]

kaito's been clicking cogs

different kinds of cogs though i must say

[sturdy shell]

Yea idleon is probably one of the most unique concept in indie games I've seen in recent memory, and that's part of why it's got me so intrigued and into this game, but it lacks in things that in my opinion prevent it from excelling at what it's trying to do

[solar seal]

naw. don't confuse indifference w/ hate

hate can still motivate interaction

[solar drift]

finally new colour

[weary aspen]

I think you are being sarcastic but depending on how you use them it actually is
and the best games do that all the time

it's just about how you do it

[neat siren]

those cogs also seem to be awakening, whatever that means

[neat siren]

no i'm not being sarcastic, it is a good thing

[austere mica]

went from 0 to this from 1 dungeon, it feels super low. I dunno why. And it was a 20x 20x 20x dungeon too :/

[solar seal]

awakening cogs

[sturdy shell]

It's so more frustrating to have a good thing you like fall just short of being great rather than just turning out bad

[neat siren]

one of my favourite game series reuses assets from their older games

[wild onyx]

looks about right

[bitter echo]

Ok 2 weeks in a row its been a party of leeches during happy hour, i gotta start usin the discord in future

[austere mica]

does it?

[sturdy shell]

Reusing assets is great for an indie dev because it means more time spent elsewhere, but it's also not a tool to be used excessively

[weary aspen]

can you give me an example of like how can it be better?
bc I simply don't understand how that would be.

[neat siren]

did you manage to clear the whole dungeon? and dungeon cards/card sets

[solar seal]

not sure how you got three 20x from 1 dungeon. you can max get HH 1x per week and even doubled from prayer, that's a max of 40 once/week

[austere mica]

yes we finished it

[austere mica]

I paid for dungeon stuff

[neat siren]

wdym by 20x 20x 20x

you mean you did 3 20x runs?

[wild onyx]

...is your position genuinely that the game is completely perfect and could have no improvements made at all?

[stable parrot]

It doesn’t give you more full HH runs just more tickets

[austere mica]

This was 20x 20x 20x

[solar seal]

._.

[neat siren]

...that's just a 20x run

[stable parrot]

…

[austere mica]

that's what I meant?

[neat siren]

no one actually points out the 20x credits/flurbos

[solar seal]

why would you write it 3x then. its just 20x

[neat siren]

20x 20x 20x implies that you either did 3 runs or you had a 60x

[austere mica]

I don't get it

[stable parrot]

More balanced with early game, especially with bosses for one

[weary aspen]

poe2 reuses same assets from different maps.. not just old game but differnt maps within same game
and you will never notice it unless if you pay very close attention

[neat siren]

no it's just a terminology thing, people just call it 20x

[bitter echo]

My biggest gripe with idleon is the feeling of missing out on super powerful account buffs cause i dont wanna spend $100 on the game

[solar drift]

is just droprate most of the time :v

[strong shale]

missing a 0 there

[stable parrot]

0100?

[solar drift]

100.0

[neat siren]

missing a k there

[stable parrot]

.1k?

[neat siren]

missing an e27 actually

[austere mica]

And I had this

[solar seal]

Happy Hour (HH) - allows for you to get 20x one time per week.
Gem shop bundle - only gives you tickets, it doesn't increase amount of tickets used per any given run
Writing - "20x 20x 20x" - implies you did 3 dungeon runs and got 20x per run -- which in one sitting, is impossible

[austere mica]

Eh okay, I'll keep it in mind thank you!

[weary aspen]

no game is ever perfect it's just about when the dev is happy enough to cut it and stop developing it

[neat siren]

you're still too early on in dungeons to get a good amount of credits/flurbos

[solar seal]

any runs after the 1 HH run are capped at 3x tickets per entry

[stable parrot]

Gambit helps

[austere mica]

I see I see

[neat siren]

most of it comes from just killing the enemies at some point

[austere mica]

So I should just continue doing them, and it'll go up?

[wild onyx]

can you give me an example of like how can it be better?
bc I simply don't understand how that would be.

you implied that it was not possible for you to conceive how the game could be better, no?

[bitter echo]

yeah island pack and mallay are the ones that i have the big feeling of missing out on, that and the damned pet system

[neat siren]

yeah just do your weekly dungeons, there isn't really anything else you can do

[frozen oyster]

Unless you use the prayer

[left kindle]

theres a prayer yeah

[neat siren]

timegate is timegate, took me 2 months+ to get to this point

[frozen oyster]

Can you prayer the happy hour affect

[solar drift]

just make guide or sheets for some calculation

[weary aspen]

fair
The early game is arguably too fast for skilled players and too confusing for idiots. And I genuinely mean that

[neat siren]

yes, it goes up to 40x

[austere mica]

There's a prayer :0??

[solar drift]

then people will send you pets for free :v

[neat siren]

BUT if you don't have at least 41 tickets it will bug out and not give you a 40x run

[cedar badge]

Mood to that

[solar drift]

with free i mean not free since you use time to make those guide

[sturdy shell]

Plenty of things I said earlier were good examples, one such being that the worship skill should've been able to be claimed by all characters on one character with less downsides, like how it is with trapping.
Funkier ideas would be you could set worship souls to be auto-claimed by a characters past a certain charge threshold.
Auto-claim and auto-delete feature for cogs that don't have the bonuses you want.
More in-game notifications about things that have been capped out or require attention.
Actually clear and precise tutorials about in-game mechanics.
Clicking on a resource in the anvil/storage and having it show where it comes from instead of requiring a wiki.
Gem Shop & Arcade rotation actually being automatic instead of developer-set outside of special occasions.
Auto-buy from World shops.
Money that could be shared by the entire account instead of needing to be micromanaged across the 10 characters.
More things in the quick-ref menu.
CHIP ROTATION???
etc...

[weary aspen]

I'm 15 days in w6 and I kinda feel you, but also I think it's fine

[frozen oyster]

Good to know been a month since my last run need you to carry me next month 🙂

[stable parrot]

It used to be a lot better, but now with vault it’s just too fast for people to comprehensively learn the game and generate enough progress in systems thats required. The faster w4 is the less lab you’ll have when doing div in w5 for example

[sturdy shell]

You are changing the core of your defense so many times I'm starting to doubt you actually have anything to say other than defending the game blindly

[bitter echo]

One big thing missing from this GODDAMN CHIP ROTATION

[solar drift]

kama cant even carry himself

[frozen oyster]

[neat siren]

hey i hit 40 ok

[sturdy shell]

True omg how could I forget

[stable parrot]

Mama that’s sad

[neat siren]

i just need to get horn

[frozen oyster]

Wait you’re only rank 40???

[solar drift]

yes king

[bitter echo]

i had such a strong run on this happy hour, and unfortunately only 3 out of the 10 of us were active in phase 4 so we didnt get to summon g4

[weary aspen]

sorry, english is not my first language
I might have misspoken

[wild onyx]

autobuy from world shops would be cool, like you hire an assistant and deposit money and they just clear it into your storage every day

[frozen oyster]

But also poe 2 sucks and poe 1 will be king till they decide vision sucks

[neat siren]

44, 40 is the breakpoint for this

[cedar badge]

Getting emp ring is annoying but going okay

[frozen oyster]

Lower level then me 😦

[neat siren]

which has this

[frozen oyster]

I know what it does

[bitter echo]

this may aswell just be "start with coin flip"

[neat siren]

yeah exactly

[frozen oyster]

For the crit skill

[austere mica]

Getting 12 golden eggs is taking so long

[neat siren]

i'm lower level than you cus i haven't played that long, simple

[solar drift]

breed more smile

[frozen oyster]

How did you max everything

[neat siren]

(i also wasted 2 weeks with the prayer on doing 20x runs)

[strong shale]

you can spam eggs if u go outside of w4 town to speed it up if u have the extra eggs

[frozen oyster]

Or did you just quit

[weary aspen]

I agree with both
but when you relize what islands do you will relize it's actually not that big of a level up even if you had all islands rn
and pet system is 100% broken, but brings the mmo part of the game back, so I don't hate it

[bitter echo]

literally the only time i didnt start with coin flip from the 40 trait is when i misclicked

[austere mica]

Why outside of w4?

[bitter echo]

its to do with the island pack, island pack has a 1.2x drop rarity multiplier, its not even about the islands

[neat siren]

no i've literally only been playing for 3 months, i simply never joined a proper party for dungeons like the first month in

[solar drift]

dont have to do that anymore <3

[frozen oyster]

kama kama kama

[neat siren]

i also had shiro carry me for the dreams

[minor terrace]

should i be doing the artfact pot still? or the yellow gem pot?

[strong shale]

wait really shiro

you can do it in w4 town?

[wild onyx]

what the fuck i thought you were ages ahead of me

[bitter echo]

ive been considering grinding through getting all my dungeon cards to gold

[frozen oyster]

Oh dear god

[sturdy shell]

I've been playing for longer than kama?

[neat siren]

well i am ages ahead of you, just not in time

[solar drift]

actually i am good

[left kindle]

Chat hes cooked

[minor terrace]

???

[frozen oyster]

Sure old man

Or women

[minor terrace]

WHAT DID I DO

[bitter echo]

im behind a lot of people in here but id wager i started sooner than most

[left kindle]

Good luck with the page 2 artifacts

[sturdy shell]

Hey this is a relevant thing that could be better about this game huh

[frozen oyster]

You’re so cooked man

[neat siren]

i am a battle helicopter

[bitter echo]

but i kinda took a 3 year break

[frozen oyster]

They didn’t have those in the 1800 so not possible

[cedar badge]

Same

[bitter echo]

0.01% chance of new collectible and ive only got like 1/4 of page 2s cause i completed page 1 🙂

[solar seal]

#1303761365273415700 message you may want t o read this

[neat siren]

i'm not a good indicator of progress

i am a whale and a sweat

[minor terrace]

im gonna cry

[bitter echo]

progress rate changes too, as things were much slower when the game was new

[strong shale]

a sweat is crazy, bc ur so behind

[solar drift]

well for his progression he kinda is...

did you see his construction

[novel mural]

tbf fuck this, respectfully

[solar drift]

bro is clicking cog while in school

[neat siren]

wtf man i have a better board than pepega

[sturdy shell]

Long answer: There's a 2nd page of artifacts that you can unlock at level 27 (28?) engineer. The 2nd page artifacts give a lot better artifacts. Artifact chance drops massively with each unlock and it's almost impossible to get all artifacts right now. You kinda yeeted yourself out of possibly getting those good bonuses for a long long time

[strong shale]

idek who pepega is

[solar seal]

you got it backwards. he sweat cause he is behind. he wanna be the very best like no one ever was endgame

[solar drift]

i was praising you for being a sweat

[neat siren]

oh

thanks shiro

[minor terrace]

Theres nothing I can do about it? I like diving into new mechanics blind cause its more fun, this is very disapointing

[cedar badge]

Nah I dropped it for 3 years because I didn't like to came back with one characters chopping wood

[bitter echo]

ill balance it out, youre a nerd for being a sweat

[frozen oyster]

End game only takes like a month and a half to get oo

I don’t know why everyone struggles

[strong shale]

thats just not true

[novel mural]

well atleast Lava made an option to reset collectibles /s

[solar drift]

so real

endgame is a mindset after all

[strong shale]

real

[solar seal]

its ok.
not end of the world, but you will have trouble getting the 2 collectible most consider "the most worthwhile ones" which is #1 and #4 of the 2nd tab

[bitter echo]

same as me, it was just before w3 release, i didnt like all the micromanaging of characters, came back to my other characters doing nothing and 1 guy chopping, even though the non choppers were all at mimics

[wild onyx]

it's simple guys
defines endgame differently than others

[sturdy shell]

It only takes one second to get to the end game
When you stop playing the game you got to the end of the game

[bitter echo]

but with how progression speed increases the 3 years of missed progress didnt really matter

[minor terrace]

So I can still be lucky you're saying 🙏

[frozen oyster]

I’m at 200% crystal chance stamp.

I’m fully end game baby

[sturdy shell]

Have luck hitting 0.0000000001% chances to get them all I suppose

[neat siren]

endgame is so easy guys idk what you're talking about. yeah I'm in w6, that's the end of the game!

[bitter echo]

good luck on using up all your collectible chance on world 7 do nothing collectibles like me

[left kindle]

Good luck brother

[cedar badge]

Dam we in same boat with that

[solar seal]

insert hulk w6 meme gif - i only saved the samurai gif 😦

[strong shale]

alright back to hiding

[minor terrace]

will Lava release a fix eventually? cause this makes me wanna just stop 😂

[sturdy shell]

wow can't believe you're so far ahead! I'm still not done with the tutorial 😩

[left kindle]

whenever the next caverns update is probably idk

Lava doesnt tend to backtrack

[frozen oyster]

Ask fisheroo and he’ll let you know

[solar drift]

as Master Ace once said:

• if your progress is less than mine
• if your progress is more than mine 🔨

amen

[bitter echo]

itll come with a new pack to increase collectible find chance

[sturdy shell]

Hope for a jar collectible find chance increase in monument 4 and pray

[sturdy shell]

genuine question, what's the hammer mean

[neat siren]

bonk

[weary aspen]

everything you said other than: "gem shop/arcade rotation and auto-buy(without context) and money that oculd be shared(without context)" I 100% agree makes perfect sense
gem/arcade shop rotation is good bc it's relatively exciting to finally get what you want\or when chat chooses on stream it's kinda cool and excting and the benefit is not game changing so it's cool

auto-buy if players unlock it late game, it's good

money that could be shared DEPENDS you want each player to feel unique and special, less samy samy is better, and you already can just tp to chest ... not a big deal to me also gold is not THAT useful anyways u just buy a bunch of stones and stuff.. who cares

[solar drift]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[novel mural]

that'll be so helpful in 2027!

cant wait!

[left kindle]

His last post was 2 weeks ago
He's probably found some game that hes binging rn

[frozen oyster]

TDLR - not reading all dat

[bitter echo]

too didnt long read

[neat siren]

2027 when he releases tab 4 collectibles

[frozen oyster]

So guys silksong?

[novel mural]

yeah surely

[weary aspen]

that's cool

[solar drift]

-# find chance 0.000000000000000001% > rounded to 0%

[left kindle]

A game like this has easily a million ways it can be improved.
Just simple QOL features can make some things less bothersome

[sturdy shell]

I do agree that viewer interaction for the gem shop or arcade is fun, but when there's been weeks of nothing, it should fall back into the automatic rotation.
The way it is designed now is FOMO in the worst way possible. There is 0 guarantee anything will ever come back. It is all in the whims of one person to choose

[left kindle]

It's just that Lava never backtracks

[minor terrace]

this is a really lame discovery guys, idk what to do, spent like $80 on this acct too

[neat siren]

you are fortunate that the devil is in his slumber

[novel mural]

wdym, vault exists /s

[left kindle]

So true bestie

[neat siren]

lest you get smitten by his hammer

[solar drift]

nothing, is alright mike

[weary aspen]

yeah but improvements take time

[minor terrace]

my account will permanently be behind here

[weary aspen]

also mods.. I'm sorry I know this channel is about w5 question xD

[left kindle]

Yes I know, I am literally a programmer

[solar drift]

you will just like 5-10 less lvl on important colectible than average person

alot of people did the same

[neat siren]

the only mod that does anything is currently offline

[solar seal]

i wouldn't blow it out of proportion. the 2 collectibles are merely time savers - you aren't actually missing anything, it'll just take you a little longer w/o them

[novel mural]

dw, Zoro isnt online rn

[minor terrace]

what are the 2 so i understand

[solar drift]

and at some point you want to get all of them anyway

[neat siren]

you would've been told off like hours ago

[sturdy shell]

But have you played other idle games tho

[frozen oyster]

Kama really has an alert that notifies of the mod smh

[sturdy shell]

There's w6 questions being asked in w3-w4 channel constantly honestly the channel names are more of a suggestion than a rule

[left kindle]

I also have all the browser idle games I've played

[frozen oyster]

Word 5 is just bis channel

[neat siren]

less than me, noob

[sturdy shell]

https://tenor.com/view/guidlines-pirates-of-the-caribbean-hector-babossa-georffrey-rush-gif-7844913

[wild onyx]

holy i didn't know you were based

[left kindle]

I beat the game
Can you say the same?

[minor terrace]

nah im cooked lmao

[weary aspen]

ye so you should know how long it takes to make new content AND fix old content
and also you know how horrible fixing stupid LITTLE bugs is... so bad I jsut wanna bash my head to a wall then realize OH it was that simple ok..

[solar seal]

while generally true, the mods will on occassion go on a "only use this channel for this world's questions" timeout spree so just gotta be careful

[solar drift]

as i said is alright, i did the same

[neat siren]

i beat it twice, not something I'm proud of

[solar drift]

some people who knew about it and was lucky got +50 on it

[frozen oyster]

It is possible to get all of the collectibles

[solar drift]

but you can count them on your hands

[frozen oyster]

Just be lucky

[neat siren]

idk why i started my 2nd run and i regretted it halfway through

[sturdy shell]

I have more ideas about how this game could be improved but it's all stuff that would be great given infinite time and money but will probably never happen given the solo dev moment

[novel mural]

1 more wow till morning

[sturdy shell]

understood

[left kindle]

If you are making a game and you get frustrated over having to fix bugs.
Maybe you shouldn't be making games?

[wild onyx]

hoLY i didn't know you were [even more] based [than i thought]

[weary aspen]

that game is crazy good.. even tho it looks so dumb

[solar drift]

10QQ on every rupie + leveling the collectible find chance collectible

[bitter echo]

dayum, im doing schows atm and i only get like 10m/hr on w6 mobs

[left kindle]

And I have both made new content + fixed up bugs.
In fact, the most bugs I fix is when I discover them while making new things

[neat siren]

i have a love hate relationship with ngu at this point

[novel mural]

this was long overdue on my part, dw

[neat siren]

like an ex i can never get over

[frozen oyster]

Kama have you ever thought about playing idk poe? Heard it’s a fun time with lots of time to be spent

[sturdy shell]

I mean, bugs can always be frustrating to fix even if you love being a dev. The true marks of a dev is persisting despite it and not burning down your laptop when you realize your bug was a missing bracket

[wild onyx]

what do you hate about it

[weary aspen]

yeah why do we do anything if it's slightly inconvient.. what's that logic bro?

[bitter echo]

i could tell by the kill rate youre getting XD

[solar drift]

last time for you, thats the whole point of getting more people to help...

[left kindle]

It's just that Lava isn't a coder.
He's just a spriter who's using a baby engine to make the game in

[wild onyx]

sad progression?

[neat siren]

choking you

[left kindle]

So the game ends up with a TON of mistakes

There's typos everywhere
There's bugs in a lot of places
Things are poorly explained generally
etc.

[sturdy shell]

Do line coders look down on stencyl that much?

[solar drift]

alright time for a small cbt session before going to bed

[neat siren]

there isn't anything i inherently hate about the game, it's incredibly well made but if 4g wasn't so lazy ngu 2 would be out by now

[left kindle]

Don't get me wrong I love the game because of the dopamine.
But the game is made like shit

[minor terrace]

i think im done idleon today -_-

[cedar badge]

The hell does toolbox do?

[sturdy shell]

its a box of tools for your account

[novel mural]

everything

[frozen oyster]

make sure to squeeze tight

[wild onyx]

ngu2 not being released is keeping my irl in order

[left kindle]

If you always need your mom to hold your hand when you cross the street. How will you survive when she's not there?

[neat siren]

ngu2 not existing is keeping my idleon in order

[frozen oyster]

Idk how you guys play os many idle games

[solar drift]

fun facts ngu in vietnamese mean stupid

[frozen oyster]

This one barely keeps me in

[left kindle]

bruh they're all idle

[frozen oyster]

Wdym they all are???

[sturdy shell]

If you keep trying to hold a tool on your right hand because people tell you that's how it's done but you're actually a leftie, do you keep banging your head against a wall or do you adapt your tools to how you can or want to use them?

[neat siren]

why is stupid yen the most common name in vietnam

[sturdy shell]

Look I'm a visual scripting defender so like while I agree with you I wouldn't blame the typos and poor explanations on the engine

though I haven't used Stencyl myself

[left kindle]

There would be significantly less typos if you could just build a framework

[barren sandal]

I have proof the next update is in 2 seconds

[orchid moss]

I’m pretty sure lava actually codes the game now it’s just the game framework is cooked because it was originally built in stencyl

[frozen oyster]

Oh great pepega is here. Goodnight

[neat siren]

if I wasn't bored out of my fuckin mind so often maybe I'd be a normal person with good social standing

[frozen oyster]

Yep

[solar seal]

why say originally? it still is

[neat siren]

but no i play idle games

[weary aspen]

true

[novel mural]

sounds overrated ngl

[sturdy shell]

That's fair but it's far from the only solution

[solar drift]

this is nice from like 1min lol

[novel mural]

well damn

[neat siren]

exactly! that's why i play idle games

that's like the hip trend with the kids

[frozen oyster]

Wouldn’t playing path of exiles cure your boredom?

[barren sandal]

sample size of 2 confirms it

[soft arch]

I am unable to move and attack (except using abilities) when doing the hound thing in the hole, is this intentional or does anyone know how to fix it?

[left kindle]

idk if Stencyl has defines or line coding at all.
But usually you use variables where you can define text/code and have the compiler do the replacing for you

[frozen oyster]

Then you can play Idleon and actively play

[novel mural]

Shiro, do you use rucksack when candying bubbles?

[neat siren]

i KNOW what poe will do to me

[solar drift]

you have to

[neat siren]

i am not touching that within 5 years of my life

[novel mural]

makes sense, was a stupid question, mb

[frozen oyster]

That is why you play with friends that way you can’t play without them

[solar drift]

i am not sitting there candying a 50b/h skilling node just to collect 1b everytime

[neat siren]

that's worse

[solar drift]

i would just candy a 33b/h and collect 17b

[soft arch]

Does anyone know why i cant move and attack during the hound thing in the hole?

[novel mural]

if I stop neglecting stuff I'll eventually get to candying bubbles

[neat siren]

do you know how many times I've started a terraria/minecraft world that i end up finishing alone after like a week

[neat siren]

bug

[solar seal]

known issue, you'll see many reports in the bugs channel

[frozen oyster]

That is why you find different friends

[sturdy shell]

(genuine question) is there a resource you can recommend where I could read more about that type of framework/documentation? is there a name for this?

[left kindle]

I have no idea man I'm 100% self taught

[soft arch]

Do you know a work around?

[sturdy shell]

Fair and respect

[neat siren]

you kinda just have to auto it

[solar seal]

come back later?

-# i don't

[soft arch]

not what a work-around means but sure thanks...

[solar drift]

because there is none

[solar seal]

... its a joke

[neat siren]

there isn't a workaround and doing it actively wouldn't do much better anyway

[neat siren]

nah I'm good, too tiring

[weary aspen]

I just realized
do you actually have 1B villager xp/h!?!!!

[solar drift]

when are we playing minecraft together

[neat siren]

did i mention that i play idle games?

[frozen oyster]

Kama won’t be my poe friend sad I tried

[sturdy shell]

never ever

[neat siren]

?

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[cedar badge]

Pushing lv 600 characters is fun

[neat siren]

this shiro guy flirting with me

[solar seal]

folks are in the 1T/hr range now iirc

[solar drift]

700b*

[neat siren]

good effort though

[sturdy shell]

Yep :3

[frozen oyster]

Shiro postin and deletin. Nothing new

[solar seal]

ah close then i'm not 100% up to date

[weary aspen]

ok important question!!

how do you manage your opals? do you divide evenly? do you invest all in explorer or do you invest all in liberain?

[solar drift]

ye i also though sheepie hit it, but is still a grind

[left kindle]

I mostly code in dreammaker which is similar to I think C++ ?
I've also learned a bit of Lua although I am weaker in that regard.

I learned to code mostly through checking other open source projects and figuring out how things work.
To start off you need to have VSCode and a dream 🙂

[solar drift]

• he get less exp now because justice is harder(worse) to do

[wild onyx]

all in one is best

read the hole guide in pins

[sturdy shell]

I am a big fan of investing all my opals into a single explorer and abusing the will smith in the lamp to move them around

[pastel kayak]

Crazy @neat siren alert

[sturdy shell]

I use the spreadsheet to determine how long it would take to get a villager to the next level and decide what level of what villager I want to reach for, typically aiming for the villagers that won't take long to upgrade

[weary aspen]

well 1 of your problems is solved at least

[left kindle]

What problems?

[frozen oyster]

When does the study villager start actually taking time to level up

[weary aspen]

ye but we were arguing before about how an end game player should invest their opals after unlocking everything

[faint wigeon]

ah

[frozen oyster]

At 40 and it still is so cheap

[wild onyx]

college

[austere mica]

Hoorah

[cedar badge]

Deathnote area's be like 1b 1b to 154b

[frozen oyster]

Me lamp

[sturdy shell]

That's super cool!
The reason I became a big visual scripting defender is because I actually took one year of learning code in school and tried learning by myself some basics of C, python and the web languages and I really hated it, but I like making games, thought it was more fun when it was visual so I accepted the limitations that most visual engines have over being able to enjoy programming even if it wasn't code

[weary aspen]

you said " VSCode and a DREAM"
I'm one of those

[austere mica]

In what world should I push with my new fancy eggs?

[wild onyx]

get borgir (acorn)

[sturdy shell]

VsStudio is the bane of my existance

[faint wigeon]

my dream is dead

[left kindle]

VSCode my beloved

[austere mica]

Is that the last one?

[wild onyx]

third to last

[frozen oyster]

No acorn is borger

[faint wigeon]

I have less traumatic memories with that one so I'll go with you

[left kindle]

That's fine.
It's good to have a place to start.
It's not good to have a place where you're stuck.
Once the logic starts to click in your brain, you just kinda get better.
And those logic skills are transferrable

[austere mica]

ah okay thank you

[frozen oyster]

You always wanna get close to finishing a world before doing the next. Past pres gives a lot of multi

[sturdy shell]

I don't think I was part of that convo?
But basically yeah I just try to hit fast villager levels, once I see on the spreadsheet that my explorer villager could reach a new cavern in less than a week or so I pushed a new cavern. Once it hit 15 I maxed out measurer, then maxed out engineer, and right now I'm pushing until level 41 conjuror and then I'm gonna put all my opals into studier until conjuror's levels become fast to level again

[wild onyx]

if multiple sneakers have the same level does it go to whoever has the most xp, or default to the earliest player

[left kindle]

Although the biggest barrier to games is not code.
It's never code.
The real barrier is sprites and sounds.
If you want to make games you have to learn how to draw and how to make things sound how you want.
The code is always the easiest part.

[barren sandal]

the ribbon played nice and double upgraded :D

[sturdy shell]

Very very true maybe in a few years when I feel more confident I'll try re-learning js or smth

[frozen oyster]

Nah just make 2d pixel art. Easy af

[barren sandal]

the real barrier is whichever part you struggle with most tbh

[austere mica]

How low do you guys go for the chances

[weary aspen]

what? bad advice...
you wanna do all worlds simultaneously

[sturdy shell]

Pixel art is so hard to animate

[left kindle]

I can name you a million good coders.
But I can count the good spriters on 1 hand

[faint wigeon]

whenever I had eggs

[wild onyx]

you just always roll

[austere mica]

I meant the total 1 in 20 rn

[frozen oyster]

Past pres more multi to the next word. Why would I start the next world with way lower odds then I need too

Especially when w1 doesn’t ever get cheaper

[weary aspen]

makes perfect sense

[sturdy shell]

Yeah artists who code are the one with the most benefits when making a game, as opposed to musicians who code (hi) and coders who art/music

[frozen oyster]

Hm i never struggled with it. But maybe I’m just build different

[wild onyx]

i actually think that the most integral part of coding and game design lies behind answering this question, does anyone have any thoughts?

[left kindle]

You make music? Do you take commissions?

[weary aspen]

oh I thought you mean the account world
yeah.. in pet breeding the past gene thingy is huge!

my bad I'm blind and stupid

[frozen oyster]

Bald as well^

[weary aspen]

that's ACTUALLY true.. although by choice

xD

[frozen oyster]

Sorry forgot to turn off bald detector mode brb

[weary aspen]

... next time do a warning before exposing people on the internet..

[sturdy shell]

I'm a little busy for the next two months so not taking any right now but usually I do!

Though I don't really advertise it a lot cause it's smth I like to do for fun at the moment while I'm still in uni

[austere mica]

Abysmal chances without my special eggs </3

[wild onyx]

scroll down and click the first w4 pet

[austere mica]

Not that bad

I didn't even know you could scroll down dude T-T

I thought there were only 3 worlds

Why is he unlocked before w3

[novel mural]

boy do I love beginner killroy xd

[upper flax]

could you please explain a little about monument of bravery? I have like 249 hours there and my damage is 44-1641, I don't have Justice for now, probably will get it in 3-4 days. So the question is what should I do with bravery now, forget about it for some time or there are ways to increase damage there?

[wild onyx]

the time there is the increase in damage

among other things

[upper flax]

so the more afk time my chars got there, the dmg will be increased right?

understood, thanks

[austere mica]

Can someone explain why I haven't gotten a new vial in 8 days now because I need to roll +99 :/, is there a way for vials to spawn better

[wild onyx]

yes, have you maxed out everything in the p2w shop and how are you dropping the items to try

[austere mica]

I drop like 10 stacks of 1, and I maxed the p2w yes :/

[wild onyx]

don't drop the 10 stacks to start

let your attempts get close to 0 and then do all your mass drops

[austere mica]

Oh alrighty then

Thank you

[weary aspen]

oh so you wait for it to go down to 2-3 then drop like 10 stacks at once?

[zinc torrent]

How do i beat w5 colosseum ? you dont have enough time to kill all the enemies

[austere mica]

What are you trying to beat it on?

[zinc torrent]

Blood berserker

[austere mica]

with enough damage and a db or something you should be able to kill them with plenty enough time with the combustion talents

[lilac vault]

drop more quicker

[zinc torrent]

I cant beat the w5 boss to get db