lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[faint wigeon]

engi 22, getting explorer 14 in 7 days, then will max engi/measurer and proly some few conjuror bonus

ight 🫡

BB

[left kindle]

oh man im fucked

[bleak gazelle]

man, tab 2 is at engi27

[faint wigeon]

also multitool and ladle stamp

I know

[left kindle]

Where does that drop

[faint wigeon]

multitool is second pig in w5, need div lvl 50, ladle the cook pig in w4?

[left kindle]

pig?

The quest guy?

[faint wigeon]

npc pig, you know the ones who gives stamps rewards for their quests

[nocturne patrol]

vman update poggers

[wild onyx]

should we still opal reset and dump into measurer once we unlock c9, or did that change with the new releases?

[hoary kernel]

Thanks

[faint wigeon]

i'll just take me a month to get from engi 26 to 27 with the current exp my explorer has

(explorer has x2, still haven't gotten for others, will QUITE proly get it)

[bleak gazelle]

good thing you won't have your current xp rate in a month

[faint wigeon]

surely it won't happen

in a month I get sam

https://tenor.com/bVKzX.gif

[zinc torrent]

My exp cooked unless I get lucky free pull samurai

[faint wigeon]

got villager statue?

[left kindle]

ok I can't complete any pig quest.
one guy wants gold from sailing
The other guy wants me to get +17 divinity levels

[zinc torrent]

Think my villager around level 129

[faint wigeon]

yeah like i said second pig, need div 50 for multi tool

[bleak gazelle]

getting to c11 would be nice...but the xp ramps up quite a bit (assuming this is still correct)
m10 gives MKpT which helps with farming villager statues

[nocturne patrol]

mh do i go for rooted sool or dune souls for best xp ?

[bleak gazelle]

it tells you

[faint wigeon]

oh nice, gotta pump other exp bonus then , or farm more staatue and book vman statue's talent

[faint wigeon]

I see one big number

[nocturne patrol]

y but acorn use 60% thinked maybe dune will be better for charge

[faint wigeon]

like one particullarly higher than others

[faint wigeon]

per charge, one charge is 1%

[zinc torrent]

You can see XP/charge; differences in charge cost are already accounted for

[faint wigeon]

see big number, go for it

[wild onyx]

fwiw i'm still working on bravery (started a week ago or so) rather than being able to justice much

[nocturne patrol]

it's hard to keep vman higher lvl then ES, they charge skull too fast cheater

[faint wigeon]

its not hard

get vman on highest exp per charge, es on other shitty souls

[left kindle]

Man why tf do I need bugs to level up the mining bubbles...

[wild onyx]

gameplay loop

[fallow panther]

so true xander mercury

[nocturne patrol]

bubbles are not rp based

[faint wigeon]

its like one of the 2 easiest with trapping to control the exp of your guys

[left kindle]

ok I got this up a bit

[zinc torrent]

VMan:

• Maestro Transfusion
• Unequip Skilled Dimwit
• Max Happy Dude
• Farm Souls based on XP/Charge

ES:

• Equip Skilled Dimwit
• Farm Souls based on Souls/Charge or as needed

[nocturne patrol]

Ty

[faint wigeon]

when 300%?

[left kindle]

holy 6/6 w6 stones on this lmao

[stuck river]

theres the other prayer that increases skill exp

[nocturne patrol]

u need to stop after 300% xd ?

[faint wigeon]

balance of proficiency

[left kindle]

Is there any reason to go >300% ?

[glass herald]

that axe is actually stink, just use plat+

[nocturne patrol]

idk big numbers look good

[left kindle]

I cant afford it

[stuck river]

early stat stick

[faint wigeon]

300% is the cap, with hole making it go to 600%

[trail ore]

14 seconds from 1 ladle getting the next tier of fire

[glass herald]

what is early, he's in w6

[zinc torrent]

Balance of Proficiency; not sure if @nocturne patrol has that unlocked/leveled yet

[nocturne patrol]

this ?

[stuck river]

i replaced mine after leeks

starfire still gives less stats

[wild onyx]

oof

[orchid moss]

bro why does awoo have a 100 second cooldown

[stuck river]

is that a old hatchet

[zinc torrent]

Also equip on VMan when going for Worship/placing Traps

[orchid moss]

😭

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, that axe (and pick) aren't worth using due to the slower speed on it

[stuck river]

lava hates bm

[faint wigeon]

bro is cooking

[stuck river]

i use it as stat sticks on the wrong classes

[left kindle]

fuck

[trail ore]

bm is so rough

[nocturne patrol]

ty, i forgot i have this prayer sometimes

[faint wigeon]

lava isn't the only one I think
I remember a certain Dlgado Knway

[left kindle]

how did I hit 6/6 but now I only hit 2/3
🙂

[nocturne patrol]

craft another one

[zinc torrent]

Also, if you use Charge Siphon, use up VMan's Charge on XP farming first

[nocturne patrol]

and give this to another char

i never use Charge siphon

[faint wigeon]

good

[faint wigeon]

see, tools are important too

[glass herald]

pretty sure it's not even worth it as a stat stick on wrong class unless you really can't be bothered to get like 5 extra levels to wear a plat one

[stuck river]

die

[trail ore]

how important/useful is the connection range merit after like 100+ lab?

[left kindle]

How do I get water faster. Everything I want to upgrade needs more water

[stuck river]

it gives more stats

[zinc torrent]

By the way, it's easy to have VMan as the highest Worship level even when using Charge Siphon.
Ultimately up to you of course

[faint wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[faint wigeon]

why me

[glass herald]

ah ok I see what you mean, not statstick for chopping, just for mainstat

[stuck river]

ye

[bleak gazelle]

you'll probably want to max it out, at the very least for a bit of wiggle room to prevent your lab from disconnecting as often when logging in. i think 1-2 points in equinox helps too, but no need to max that one

[nocturne patrol]

i should max this too xd

[orchid moss]

bro hes just standing around this class is so cheeks

[left kindle]

Do I put all my ressources in this?

[nocturne patrol]

y

[left kindle]

Small problem is that my bubo is dogshit

Is there a bubble that gives maximum talent level?

[nocturne patrol]

all bubo are trash until tentacle 200+

[orchid moss]

no lol that shit would be op

[left kindle]

yeah and rn I'm kinda locked behind sailing when it comes to talent cap

[bleak gazelle]

you answering just 'y' keeps making me think you're asking "why"

[nocturne patrol]

sorry uwu

[left kindle]

Man what the fuck

[orchid moss]

[fallow panther]

you sample 2k jungle logs how do you have 2.1m tp logs😭

[zinc torrent]

Don't worry, it'll cost 1000m quick enough

[nocturne patrol]

idk if some other things miss

not a bubble but that increase amx lvl xd

[stuck river]

🧍🏻‍♂️

[coarse basin]

Is Centurion from caverns a new mob texture or just big ancient golem?

[fallow panther]

lowkey massive

[left kindle]

I've just had this since forever

[fallow panther]

bruh

[bleak gazelle]

just giant golem afaik

[fallow panther]

is the star harriep and lab or is the star just harriep

[coarse basin]

K thanks

[left kindle]

I have no idea man...

[stuck river]

star is pure harriep

[left kindle]

I should have both...

[zinc torrent]

Check lab

[stuck river]

display error

[stuck river]

hes dooted

[stuck river]

if you didnt forget

[left kindle]

ah ok it's just fucky on my BB

[nocturne patrol]

all char have purple print when u have doot ?

[left kindle]

Ok slight improvement

[zinc torrent]

I didn't, but his node could have been off.

[bleak gazelle]

i'd make sure your BB is level 2 div

[stuck river]

3

3

[bleak gazelle]

tbh though idk why you aren't higher level

[left kindle]

And it's lit so it should be fine?

[bleak gazelle]

leaving him in ktichen for 46 ladeles/day isn't worth it

[left kindle]

Why would he have higher level?

[left kindle]

He's farming deathnote rn

[orchid moss]

dont think he even has 10th char

[bleak gazelle]

higher lab levels to make it easier to get all nodes and unlock chip slots
higher div level to get up to TranQi (and unlock Purrmep) to prep you for all your long afk grinds

[left kindle]

I have all the nodes active rn

[orchid moss]

oh your chars are just neglected got it

[left kindle]

This is new info?

[bleak gazelle]

i also can't imagine you'd be making great progress at level 146 need to get some class levels on it, too

[left kindle]

Class levels scale up divinity xp ?

[bleak gazelle]

class levels give you talent points which give you more damage to make your deathnote/apoc farming faster

[fallow panther]

my first godshard ore

[bleak gazelle]

extrapolate man

[trail ore]

they scale up push speed

[fallow panther]

im basically w7 waiting room

[coarse basin]

Ahh yes the 2nd highest leveled BM

[left kindle]

I'm stretched too thin

[thorn jetty]

sure..

[left kindle]

I needed to level the breeding perks

[glass herald]

I used like 24 1hr candies for that instead of actually leaving chars afk lol

[thorn jetty]

me two

[stuck river]

waiting for w7 so u can candy w6?

[left kindle]

Should I just candy it all on BB ?

[fallow panther]

you know it

[glass herald]

yea if you have some still, def

[thorn jetty]

if your kph is good

[left kindle]

Ok so this is running now

[thorn jetty]

nice

[left kindle]

I have everyone making pinion spurs rn and I really badly need to push breeding so I can start making cheese

[simple summit]

How is this suposed to be done? Heard that it was ever 1% we should research but I think that has been changed?

[stuck river]

mutate every harvest

[left kindle]

I just click it whenever I'm feeling lucky

[stuck river]

quantity>quality

[glad isle]

just click every now and then fr

[simple summit]

oh ok tough I saw somewhere that was the old way to do it

imma click it right now, last time I missed a 95% chance but wtv

no luck 😦

[thorn jetty]

rip

[bleak gazelle]

also lul at all these people complaining about the kitsune bit deficit, i'm pretty sure it's additive so it does basically nothing

[thorn jetty]

just keep trying lava made t that the chance will increase the more u click it

[thorn jetty]

thats what i thought till l upgraded it

[bleak gazelle]

no, i'm saying they cry about the minus 3x bits, but i'm pretty sure it's an additive (subtractive in this case) bonus, so your 1k bit multi becomes 997x which is...nothing

[thorn jetty]

wait u talking abt the time or bits gain?

[bleak gazelle]

like there's literally never a reason to not use it

[left kindle]

ok where should I jail all my characters? Lab, div or hole ?

[bleak gazelle]

even more so than I though

[thorn jetty]

oh i thought u talking abt time mb

[nocturne patrol]

3x speed = more evol and more evolv = more bits why cry xd

[stuck river]

wow i needed to know this eariler

i didnt have kitsune on before 5 sec gaming

[nocturne patrol]

kitsune goat of gaming uwu

[bleak gazelle]

i'd say bravery to 300 if you haven't done that, then lab or push everyone to class level 250 for now
(no need to be on div except for new characters to get to level 2)

[fallow panther]

climbing out of the shit heap that is my refinery

[left kindle]

yeah all my characters are >2 now so I guess I'll ignore div for now.
I have all my current lab nodes unlocked so I can ignore that too.
Bravery sounds good but I wasnt sure if it was a good idea or not

[bleak gazelle]

not sure what you're doing with your ES, but getting more levels on him for talent points to spend on div would be nice

[stuck river]

my child has grown 😭

[left kindle]

how tf am I ahead of you

[bleak gazelle]

300 bravery should be quick enough, like 1.5 days with 8-9 people

[fallow panther]

i gave up the game and picked it up a month ago

[stuck river]

ace can i have the monument sheet

[fallow panther]

i started actually understanding stuff about a week ago

[thorn jetty]

shd i farm dark lanterns or hole?

[bleak gazelle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EdNlvFtHaqf8Of-GVj7haUUcQuJxg9n8X9aP7vZv1yU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[stuck river]

ty

[left kindle]

Well shit this aint good

[thorn jetty]

why is acc prayer on?

[fallow panther]

i forgot to use the charge on my skull before switching

rip

[nocturne patrol]

kek

better

[trail ore]

taking it off is too hard

[left kindle]

Not a huge amount better

[thorn jetty]

fair point

[trail ore]

i mean thats like 20%

[fallow panther]

whats optimal for frosty firefight

[thorn jetty]

do u not have the multy kill prayer

[left kindle]

how do I get that

[thorn jetty]

w4 one

[bleak gazelle]

?wiki Prayers

[verbal canyon]

https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Prayers

[trail ore]

i need to level that prayer but worship points/hr are so slow

[thorn jetty]

yea its so hard to get 10 mill souls

[nocturne patrol]

best prayer uwu

[thorn jetty]

na royal sampler better

[fallow panther]

is fibers of absence multiplicative damage percent or additive

[nocturne patrol]

it's op for upgrade stamp easier

[nocturne patrol]

true royal sampler have is place in goated prayer

'but u lose so much xP' kek

[fallow panther]

is level 20 fine on boulder roller for frosty firefight

[thorn jetty]

tbh im never gonna remove royal sample even if my sample size is 90% with out royal sampler cuz im to lazy

[thorn jetty]

shd be fine

[left kindle]

I'm so fucked

[thorn jetty]

lmao

[split meteor]

tf skulls are savaged

[trail ore]

Get good

[nocturne patrol]

do u think i can get wave 60 with poisonic lvl 20 on w5 worship, i need equinox uwu

[trail ore]

Do you have the cloud for tower dam?

[left kindle]

Should I just grab all the apoc I can get on my bb ?

[nocturne patrol]

this and it's 50 not 60 ok xd

[trail ore]

Ok so you don't - yes you can do it with poisonic around there if you've also been leveling tent and party

It will take a long time

[nocturne patrol]

party is lvl 20 and kraken lvl 10

[trail ore]

Probably good enough to yolo

[nocturne patrol]

i forgot there is 2 worship in w1 so i was like 'f i have to got w6 worship for this'

[orchid moss]

i did this with like lvl 15 poisonic

[trail ore]

Rough layout I was recommended l-r was freeze-void-poison-poison-freeze-krakenx3-freeze-krakenx2 with like 3 party on the upper ledge

Would check radius on party to make sure poisons are in range

[nocturne patrol]

i so close to get them

[orchid moss]

i think you should add more parties when ur krakens/poisonics are low lvl

[nocturne patrol]

ty for tips

[trail ore]

How are your shrines so far ahead of mine

[nocturne patrol]

i afk game for months

[orchid moss]

😹

[trail ore]

Ah

Our prog is otherwise similar I think but I have 40 less shrine levels

[orchid moss]

maybe his shrines are more upgraded as well

[nocturne patrol]

i'm glad i put my shaman on these mob when i afk uwu

i have this

[fallow panther]

reds have to be 11 and orange have to be 6 for this to work right

[trail ore]

Idk my shrines are getting up there

[nocturne patrol]

i have 13M build rate but i'm lazy to up this one

[trail ore]

Relative

[nocturne patrol]

xd

[lost plank]

I feel like I need to change my sailing so I can get the artifacts but I don't know what to prioritize, any ideas

[nocturne patrol]

gl for fury

[trail ore]

Dang my build rate is a lot worse

I'm at like 6m

[fallow panther]

wait i just have to level orange salts

[nocturne patrol]

wat lvl are u dk on construction ?

[fallow panther]

ill be able to sustain it but just not get excess red salts

and i dont really care about reds im just trying to get more blue for anvil tab 4

[nocturne patrol]

try to get excess amount on red salt

if u run out of red, orange cant run, if u cant run orange u cant run blue etc etc

give love to refinery so important and time gated

[split meteor]

i sweaer my blue salt randomly ranked up on its own.... 😠

[nocturne patrol]

it's one of the thing that can make ur progression very slow if u dont take care

i'm like this even if i can get more rank on orange and blue

[stray elm]

hi sometimes when i look my bubo farm when the cd go to 0 like that, most of the times 5+min before trigger again, it is normal ?

[nocturne patrol]

wrong setup on bar

[wooden eagle]

What level is your tenteyecle

[orchid moss]

put cc on left so it gets used when it's off cd

[stray elm]

i just begin yesterday*

ho ok my bar is not correct

[glad isle]

cc farming 🤯

[orchid moss]

yea skills get used left to right so with your current bar cc will probably not get cast because the other skills are constantly off cd

[glad isle]

since when sharki

[stray elm]

thx !!

[nocturne patrol]

2 week i think but i just did some for get lvl 80 alchemy

[glad isle]

oh

[nocturne patrol]

i'm gonna do more when choco chip

[glad isle]

how's ur bubbles 😆

how far

[nocturne patrol]

working on it xd

[glad isle]

i see

[nocturne patrol]

someone for a party dungeon ? xd

[glad isle]

go solo u pro enough

[nocturne patrol]

u can launch solo ?

[glad isle]

yeah

just need to make a party

[nocturne patrol]

i'm already in a party

need to be leader ?

[glad isle]

just make ur own

[lost plank]

Fun fact: after reassigning my sailors, I not only got the last artifact I was missing for the artifact lover achievement, I also got artifact jones

[nocturne patrol]

no one accept bruh

[lost plank]

You have to be in a party where everyone is present in that room

[glad isle]

go solo fr

go on

[nocturne patrol]

oh xd

[glad isle]

leave party - item - create party

easy enough

[glad isle]

what server 😆

[obtuse spindle]

where do you farm lucky lads and how?

[orchid moss]

for equi dream or just in general?

[nocturne patrol]

f

[nocturne patrol]

i launch instant sorry xd

[zinc torrent]

Plat axe? Lol

[glad isle]

no worries

atleast u can play solo now

[left kindle]

Got it 🙂

[nocturne patrol]

gz

[glad isle]

one of us haha

[bleak gazelle]

beautiful

[left kindle]

3 per hour man what the fuck

[glad isle]

slow early on

@nocturne patrol
how's ur po if u don't mind

[nocturne patrol]

i had to put point but i'm lazy

gonna do this next omni proc uwu

and i need to up trap* for all char but lazy too

[glad isle]

omni huh

[glad isle]

don't be lasy

u become like me
fr

[nocturne patrol]

y i know aha

fr ?

[glad isle]

im too lasy to farm hamster

[glad isle]

y don't know anything about fr
fr

[nocturne patrol]

wat is fr

[glad isle]

ask gen chat

[fallow panther]

for real

[glad isle]

ur being fr right now

[nocturne patrol]

gen chat look scary

[glad isle]

not scary enough

[bleak gazelle]

i leave for one minute and wtf is happening in here

[glad isle]

taking about stuff

[nocturne patrol]

oh okay

[glad isle]

like po

[fallow panther]

onyx lumberbob coming soon

[glad isle]

no way

is that the legendary axe

[nocturne patrol]

oh look good for vman

[stuck river]

if this post gets 7 upvotes my second sb is unjailed

[nocturne patrol]

poggers

[bleak gazelle]

so close

[nocturne patrol]

i dont want this to end uwu

why ppl always vote for cash bonus

[stuck river]

g

[nocturne patrol]

g ?

[stuck river]

oh whoop

[tardy badger]

When should i go for just putting my Barbarian in the kitchen, instead of farming for Chows

[bleak gazelle]

i wouldn't put him in the kitchen before chows are done

if you need some ladles, make sure you kill w4 miniboss weekly
but for the most part, you should be able to get everything to 11 without them pretty fast and honestly probably to 30 pretty fast with bravery cooking speed bonus

[quartz mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/980365693910405160/1289918832080719985/IMG_20240924_151251.gif

[nocturne patrol]

poggers

[quartz mauve]

i did thing

[stuck river]

[quartz mauve]

free him

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144637003141492828/1329908137599172648/image0.gif

[bleak gazelle]

yeehaw

[near cosmos]

Why its so bright

[stuck river]

wow

[fallow panther]

prints are lowkey kinda fire

besides the fishing ones i need to redo those

and the bubo ones

[stray snow]

you using skilling foods?

[fallow panther]

yeah

[stray snow]

good job

[vale perch]

do you guys know if there is gonna be more artifacts in future updates? i just realized that trying to get all my captains maxed with arti find chance is absolutely obsolete after i find the last one (1 remaining so pretty much done)

[nocturne patrol]

poggers

[vale perch]

and i wonder if i should replace them with loot / rare chests or wait a bit

[orchid moss]

Loot value is most valuable once you’re done with all artis

Because of alch bubbles that require sailing loot

[stray snow]

was only at 18000m lastnight les go

[vale perch]

i mean do you even use that loot anymore in alch or you just use atoms at some point only?

[orchid moss]

It’s reasonable to farm billions of loot so

[fallow panther]

this is kinda huge im ngl

[vale perch]

oh ok, i will keep it in mind

[orchid moss]

And it’s not like you should need any of the other stats on your captains

[vale perch]

if you can get as much loot as to never use atoms on it thats great

so there are no infos about new artifacts coming i guess, right?

[nocturne patrol]

shacurracy gonna go brrr

[stray snow]

using this aswell?

[orchid moss]

Tbh it’s not that deep because once you get endercaptains you’re just gonna be picking him up all the time pretty much regardless of stats

[fallow panther]

yeah

[orchid moss]

Nope

[stray snow]

niceeee

[fallow panther]

the difference with food was 700 bloaches to 1200

everyone is on div so harriep coming soon which is even more prints

[vale perch]

i got the endercaptain upgrade a while ago but never saw any. cant imagine to have 20 of them lol

[stray snow]

is there a shirt that does mining eff?

[stuck river]

uhhhhh

time to farm naked

[vale perch]

maybe with w7 or w8 new arti upgrade will come after the sovereign

anyway, thanks for tips pepega

[left kindle]

Weapons are overrated

[fallow panther]

redoing with boost food it really makes a difference

[stray snow]

is it work to do this?

[orchid moss]

shouldnt be too expensive

[crisp lagoon]

Nice bro soon enough you are gonna hit 2 million each

[orchid moss]

if lustre is expensive for you dont bother

[fallow panther]

whats a good way to get small mana life potions

[stray snow]

wasnt sure if lustre went into better gear but i just searched it up on wiki and ill do it. wanna hit that 1m print asap

[nocturne patrol]

i can put this on 1 hour trap now poggers

[orchid moss]

lustre and dia are just for slab not worht making

since all endgame armor builds out of troll

dia is also crazy expensive in salts for pretty bad stats

[stray snow]

yeah knew diabolical wasnt the way to go

[narrow vapor]

dw , my higher lvl SB is still rocking the ice bow

[stuck river]

wts

[narrow vapor]

what

[peak verge]

@orchid moss Show anvil boy.

[orchid moss]

uh oh

i am getting beat it is over

[stray snow]

YEWWWW

this troll gear is gonna be a pain to grind

[peak verge]

https://tenor.com/view/single-ladies-male-cheerleader-choreography-yas-queen-dance-like-nobodys-watching-gif-25784314

Gonna put that hard work work in action

[orchid moss]

i am doing my anvil poihnts now

[peak verge]

Kinda but the best part is that you only need to craft it once and never again.

[orchid moss]

wo cao

[peak verge]

Wait so you did get to W4 mats.

[orchid moss]

i did it on half my chars then i went to get food and forgot about the rest

im doing them now

[stray snow]

what if i want godshard tho?

[peak verge]

What about it?

[stray snow]

wouldnt i need to craft troll gear again? for each char?

[peak verge]

Well yes, once for each but still. You should have 1 set for each main base class and then just pass them around. By the time you feel like equipping all your characters, troll won't be a problem to craft anymore.

[stray snow]

fair fair. i mean tbh its still way ahead in the future anyways for me lol

[peak verge]

You verging on the edge of an ass whooping but for now you safe.

[stray snow]

icl idek what to focus on rn so im just doing hole

[peak verge]

Done with divinity?

[stray snow]

tranqi rn yeah

at lvl 49

[peak verge]

Purrmep?

[stray snow]

what about it?

[peak verge]

You got it?

[stray snow]

yea and doot

[peak verge]

You in w6 yet?

[stray snow]

yuh

[peak verge]

Onyxes?

[stray snow]

nah was gonna. but heard choco in 2 days so gonna grind choco

i got like 60k in chopping statues ready tho

[peak verge]

There you go, you have something to focus in 2 days.

[stray snow]

lmao true but thats 2 days

[orchid moss]

active farm hampters for better bags and weapons

[stray snow]

...no i hate hampters

(yeah i gotta do that for better gear aswell)

[orchid moss]

[peak verge]

Realistically you need only 800 hampters

[stray snow]

actually going for full dr set of obals now that i remember

[peak verge]

600 for 3 weapons and 200 for s crafting bag

[orchid moss]

big bag on everyone so nice tho lowkey

w6 bags are aids to make

[peak verge]

Yeah but farming this early is turbo cringe

[orchid moss]

fair enough

[orchid moss]

you coudl also farm the w3 statues on es

[peak verge]

Let the boy get choco to at least pull double duty while farming those.

[peak verge]

You can probably wait for choco before that as well.

[stray snow]

True. I’m halfway for the silver pop obals. But I’m just doing it rn while I chill out not at my pc

[peak verge]

I sure hope you filtered the giga frog horns before lmao.

[fallow panther]

all my prints are done

[peak verge]

Never.

[fallow panther]

besides dogeater43's

[sterile heath]

is 5k pong good enough? or does the multiplier get alot bigger from there its only 1.75 right now

[peak verge]

Get your 25k achievement and never touch pong again. It's poopy.

[stray snow]

Hehe never

[neat siren]

halfway there

[stray snow]

i think the only big bags i got are the chopping bags lol

[fallow panther]

all my prints rn

[stray snow]

u got vman?

[fallow panther]

yeah hes the one with 23k copper

[stray snow]

nah dont do that

do a speedrun. use his ability (ill find the name in a second) and use the 3d print after it kills everyone and it will boost ur enemy loot by like 5x

[neat siren]

do a speedrun, use void radius, sample

[stray snow]

thats my vman ages ago

[stray snow]

ty thats the name of it

[fallow panther]

i know how to sample on vman just i dont have speedrun ready\

[neat siren]

ah but try to do as many bosses as you can before for the respawn

shit i gotta do my speedrun again

[stray snow]

ohhhh i love shinies

[stray snow]

how often do u do the speedruns?

[fallow panther]

i gotta constantly check on my refinery to make sure the blue is being fed so i can get tab 4

[stray snow]

how is ur refinery?

[neat siren]

basically never cus prepping for it by swapping gear is so annoying

but i should go do one now cus i need new mats for vials

[stray snow]

lmao fair. imma do mine when i get new fisticuffs (ive been saying that for ages)

true.. i needa do that

[fallow panther]

cooked

rank 7 red 4 orange 3 blue

the red feed the orange but the gluttonous blue eat 8 orange per cycle even tho i only make 6

[near cosmos]

Is it ok to atom multi resource bubbles and then call me bob bubble after hit 300% on mulites?

[stray snow]

Should fix it. Mine was terrible aswell took me a bit to fix but it’s worth it in the long run

[fallow panther]

i have been for the past few days

i just need to rank up orange once or twice and red to maybe 10 and ill be fine

[orchid moss]

IM FREE

[fallow panther]

my goat

[orchid moss]

no more anvil points until w7 waiting room

i am finally mid w6

[fallow panther]

💔

im late w4

technically mid w3 cause i have green salts turned off cause im saving up blue salts rn

[neat siren]

how am i supposed to do the kruk thing with vman

should i bother

[orchid moss]

wdym

nightmare kruk on vman?

[neat siren]

the speedrun thing of where you activate it right as you kill nkruk or smth

[orchid moss]

oh im too lazy to do that shit ngl

[peak verge]

That is very much not intended and should not be publicly discussed for your own well being.

[fallow panther]

aww man

[orchid moss]

bro needs some refinery speed

[fallow panther]

desperately

[neat siren]

they talk about it in the vman guides lmfao

[orchid moss]

active bm gameplay

[neat siren]

but i'll just ignore this conveniently cus i'm lazy as well

[fallow panther]

it seems that im hardstuck late w4

[neat siren]

just get them bro it won't take long at all

[fallow panther]

i grinded out kills on all the enemies with r-7 droptable and never got the stamp

not enough keys to just spam chaotic eufant either

like dude

[peak verge]

Baby odds

[stray snow]

Candy

[fallow panther]

none left

all gone to the grind for vman

[glad isle]

get more candy simple

[stray snow]

Fax

3d print some candy

[orchid moss]

i did it please do not beat me up

[stray snow]

Niceee I need to do that but I can’t be assed

[orchid moss]

ill probably candy the last 3 at some point but cba rn

[peak verge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-watching-watch-you-eyes-on-you-kid-cute-gif-16282723

[fallow panther]

shaquracy going through the roof

i take it back only 5 levels

[orchid moss]

ye i think my bm needs some more acc

[tranquil phoenix]

Can someone help me get the doot miniboss

[orchid moss]

ye what class u need

[tranquil phoenix]

I am barbarian so the other 2 classes

[orchid moss]

im coming on archer

what server

[tranquil phoenix]

What server

[fallow panther]

hugert is level 1 yet he has more accuracy than i my bb two days ago at level 300

hugert is just goated brah

[tranquil phoenix]

Come on carrot server 2

I am ggezwpzro

[orchid moss]

im here

[neat siren]

dude i forgot about the thing i started my speedrun for

this is the 2nd time i've done this

[orchid moss]

blud did not take samples

[neat siren]

why can't i access the 3d printer during a speedrun

no i forgot to delete old samples

to free up space for new mats

[orchid moss]

🗿

i just dont change my prints

[neat siren]

welp

[orchid moss]

[tranquil phoenix]

Do you have the thing to summon doot

[orchid moss]

not on this char

[tranquil phoenix]

What i am making it

[orchid moss]

1 sec

you mean eye or dootophone?

[tranquil phoenix]

Eye

[orchid moss]

we both need to have an eye

[tranquil phoenix]

Its my first time

Oh ok

[orchid moss]

try and get 1 more ill afk here until you find one

[tranquil phoenix]

Ok

[stuck river]

once a month

[neat siren]

got like 6 new portals

good enough but i forgot about samples

[orchid moss]

@tranquil phoenix im in the doot arena

[stuck river]

what

[orchid moss]

what

[neat siren]

overnight acc statue farm was a good idea, managed to onyx some other statues as well

[orchid moss]

[tranquil phoenix]

@orchid moss Come we have a wizard

[orchid moss]

im in the doot arena

[tranquil phoenix]

Ehich server

[orchid moss]

carrot 2

[tranquil phoenix]

I am in carrot 2

[orchid moss]

drop your eye

and go in portal

[fallow panther]

hugert is about to grow from level one to where the skies take him

[orchid moss]

where did you go

[neat siren]

do i save for another gold ball mult or do i rip it

[solar drift]

https://tenor.com/view/mahouako-utena-hiiragi-thinking-magia-baiser-gushing-over-magical-girls-gif-5888685076615948352

[neat siren]

hi shiro

[solar drift]

hi

[neat siren]

do i gamble

[solar drift]

Right answer ? No

but you should do it

[neat siren]

lmfao

[solar drift]

[neat siren]

imma do 100 balls

[fallow panther]

like the beyblade you gotta let it rip

[neat siren]

crazy how that wasn't worth it

[fallow panther]

rip

[quaint seal]

that only means you gotta do the rest

[stable parrot]

Shoulda waited til a multi

[neat siren]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

guys i can upgrade my arcade

[thorn jetty]

hole exppp

[peak verge]

wait until anniversary, maybe we're getting an arcade ball buff

[neat siren]

most likely yeah

[peak verge]

unless you really want the villager xp or smth

[green delta]

Guys where is the w5 mini boss

And how to spawn it

[peak verge]

Thermometer maps. Knock down the balls.

[green delta]

Aight how?

Knock down ok

[glad isle]

touch em

[fallow panther]

oh yeah!

[naive swan]

would be worth it next time even without gold ball multi

[naive swan]

walk over the stones

[neat siren]

not that desperate

gold ball multi ftw

[fallow panther]

finally my first scarf

[green delta]

Yeah alr got em

[green delta]

H9w to get recipie on that

[fallow panther]

the tasks

[green delta]

W3?

[green delta]

K

[fallow panther]

yeah i think its 6 or 7

[green delta]

My dk on dungeon should make it ez

Should i?

Btw f2p

[fallow panther]

nah buy stuff thats worth your gems

[green delta]

Ive done alot of mini bosses

But this is limited and 30% off

[peak verge]

Everything in there is limited lol.

[green delta]

Lmao fr

[green delta]

Should i tho?

This one got my interest

When i first saw it on limited shop

And i work weeks to get to this number

Lol

[fallow panther]

almost 250m

[peak verge]

It was once useful to push faster up to w6, but now everyone gets to w6 in like 2 weeks from all the buffs that got added, so now it's just a glorified slab item.

[green delta]

Oh aight ig you have a point

[green delta]

With golem?

[fallow panther]

nah

[green delta]

Thats nice

[peak verge]

• this is free so lol

[fallow panther]

dude that would mean i have 25m in w6💔

[green delta]

And how to get that recipe also

[fallow panther]

thats way later dude slow your horses

[green delta]

Your like me

[peak verge]

w5 boss merits

[green delta]

But still 😭

[green delta]

Aight thx

Imma get to the grind btw u guys know this weekly event will be fire?

[fallow panther]

idk

[left kindle]

yeah w6 push is easy 🙂

[green delta]

Oh alr

I like the hole

[fallow panther]

my goat xander mercury

[void shell]

I don't think you pushed w6 properly yet..

[green delta]

Gives my dk damage to 40 to 140

[peak verge]

It's anniversary event so it's likely gonna be pretty fire.

[fallow panther]

why does bro have red boxing gloves on

[void shell]

bubo

[green delta]

Listen we f2p has a abit of hard time but enough work it will be worth it

[left kindle]

It's bubo bro

[green delta]

Free candies 😮

Free cards 😮

[void shell]

I just don't think he reached the portals with the 150m kills count

[fallow panther]

why does bubo use red boxing gloves

[green delta]

Maybe free cape???

[left kindle]

for cc

[green delta]

Lmao

[fallow panther]

whats cc

[left kindle]

Cranium Cooking

[fallow panther]

cranium cooking?

[void shell]

Boxing gloves for bubo so it can spread the auspicious aura better

[fallow panther]

oh alr

[green delta]

150m but with a char lock

So dumb ngl but ig thats helping for w7 push

[void shell]

I'm just pushing through leeks so I can unlock burnt marshmallow, not going to bother going to skydoggies

[naive swan]

150m? crazy

[peak verge]

It's only dumb if you neglect your other children.

[void shell]

I do 😂

[naive swan]

holy it's actually 150m

[peak verge]

Also the only portal with 150M is the very last one before the W6 boss map, which is a great map for active DK/Bubo/SB, you fly through those kills and farm like crazy.

[void shell]

yeah.. but I don't play active

[green delta]

Well now u do xd

[spark stone]

the 150M one doesn't have a lock, the last lock is skydoggies which is 60M kills I think

[naive swan]

70m on 9 characters 😭

[green delta]

At that point prob going for w1-w3 eclipse skulls

[naive swan]

ig vman is free but you still have to kill 70m of those on 8 characters

[green delta]

Or w4

[light bough]

Does it matter what map u do cranium cooking at? is there more mob spawns on certain maps?

[void shell]

yeah

[light bough]

I cannot do it on w6 yet as i have too low dmg

[left kindle]

There's like 2-3 god maps

[light bough]

Which ones?

[naive swan]

you could try oranges or tremor worms in w5

[light bough]

ok

[void shell]

it's like Soda < Flombeige < Citringe < Samurais < Tremor Wurms iirc

[left kindle]

Well there's wurms and there's an image somewhere but I cant seem to find it rn

[spark stone]

I did W1-W2 before pushing that, but my kph started to get a little low for eclipsing W3 onwards

[green delta]

That does not make any sense it shouldnt decrease

[naive swan]

wait hold on tremor worms is better than samurais?

[light bough]

this has soo many playforms tho, is that good

[void shell]

I think it's because wurms is less spread out and has 1 more mob

[void shell]

It's great for early CC

[naive swan]

i mean if you can 1-tap samurai guardians then you're probably at the stage where you can run from 1 end to the other in between respawns

[void shell]

It's some follkey level minmax stuff though

[peak verge]

for strictly CC yes. Samurais is slightly weaker for CC but you get a lot more xp and money.

[fallow panther]

first green stack

[void shell]

Depends if you want to hard focus on CC or get a balance of stuff

[spark stone]

they were decreasing since enemies started to get more HP, so less multikill overall, hence less kph

[naive swan]

alright cool ty

[void shell]

time to do some construct mastery stuff

[green delta]

Oh

[neat siren]

i see it

(no one will get the reference)

[light bough]

and with CC, my eye ability is at this:
is there any easy way to get it to 200 or is it just a waiting game

[neat siren]

the artifact from sailing is the most realistic way

[left kindle]

There's a few sources of talent max

[light bough]

but thats also a waiting game right

my sailing is kinda low

[left kindle]

It's an idle game bro

[neat siren]

it looks like you have rift slug but afaik 200 is still not doable pre artifact unless you have crazy div/es levels

[void shell]

I mean, you can still realistically hit 100k CC seconds

[thorn jetty]

how do u get so much cc time tho?

[void shell]

I got my equinox dream completed with 185 tent and CC

[light bough]

oke so CC farming i should wait with until i get some better stuff ig

[void shell]

do cc at least once a day, just that free proc

[neat siren]

book cc, level alc and mana po boxes, use boxing gloves/the stingers, use the correct talent order (cc, raise dead, aura, fart ghost)

also wurms, that's the most important part

[thorn jetty]

how is alc lvl affected

[void shell]

brew spd

[thorn jetty]

ok

i only can get 24k sec tho even with most of them

[neat siren]

the alc po box gives you cranium cook time

[thorn jetty]

what lvl shd u get the bubble to?

[void shell]

around 180 first

[thorn jetty]

but what if i want to aim for 100k sec

[void shell]

I had 190 Roadkill, 185 tent and 185 CC when I did 100k

no alch PO box

[stray elm]

hello, i wanted to farm act 5 with my dk, and i drop this constantly, i want to filter it but i cannot find on crystals or zone monster....any clue on that please ?

[thorn jetty]

tf i have all of those

[void shell]

just get more damage so you 1 shot, and get crystal spawns

[thorn jetty]

i can do that to

[void shell]

complete the pig's quest so it's out of the table

[thorn jetty]

wait is the 100k thing equidox?

[void shell]

it's the pappa paguea at the last w1 map

[thorn jetty]

ohhhh i think i got 240k i read wrongly

[void shell]

lmao

[thorn jetty]

but i think i need more

[void shell]

I mean, you could try pushing the roadkill bubble to like lvl 1k for a bit

[thorn jetty]

i can barly max liuid capp for one cc

[void shell]

with 240k secs?

[thorn jetty]

yes

[void shell]

odd

[thorn jetty]

my liuid rate is 38

[void shell]

I think you have viaduct

[thorn jetty]

no my capp is like 2400

[void shell]

it wouldn't be if you don't have max meals or viaduct

max meals with high tier ribbons*

[thorn jetty]

my meals aint max and no via duct i think

[void shell]

ok, I guess

it's not a bad thing

[left kindle]

Progress is good 😎

[thorn jetty]

nice

[void shell]

aren't you w6?

[glad isle]

rushing goes brrr

[void shell]

getting 7k print in w6 takes skill

[glad isle]

real

[void shell]

Trashed 4k cogs today.. my fingers

[left kindle]

How tf does that affect sample size?

[void shell]

the number of skill eff sources is insane

[thorn jetty]

as a w6 at least have better alc i think

[left kindle]

Alchemy is time locked

[thorn jetty]

cc helps massively

[coral dove]

That's for the 'Poof, Cogone!' task from w3, right?

[left kindle]

I cant CC shit with level 130 tent

[thorn jetty]

tf w6 and 130 ten

[void shell]

nah, I already maxed out the merit shop so no point. I'm just revamping my cog board

[thorn jetty]

what happen to sailing

if only they can give me the exp diraction cogs

[void shell]

sailing kinda takes time though

I'd say minimally get the salt lick and merit shop

[left kindle]

sailing is literally time gated with no way to speed it up

[thorn jetty]

still 130 is horrible im sorry if its is to harsh

[spark stone]

https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Golden_Hampter_Gummy_Candy

[lunar epoch]

With thw addition of the vault, death bringer, and the w5 caverns, i now realize money is big important, i can make a god shard in w5 with candies if i try, but would asking here or going on youtube be better for min maxing my money

[void shell]

+30 from salt lick and merit shop so yeah

[thorn jetty]

oh yeah that thing helps alot

[void shell]

asking here imo

[left kindle]

5% chance gonna be a huge gain 🤑

[thorn jetty]

yeah mabey cuz its only a few hampster

[lunar epoch]

Aight neat, other than spores and vault what else should i focus for stacking money gains

[spark stone]

how many do you have of those?

[left kindle]

64

[left kindle]

It's a stack of 64

[thorn jetty]

its minecraft guys

[worthy axle]

is that a lot??

[thorn jetty]

u shd prob active farm gives lots of gf

[hollow patio]

Why does the "Break All" button disappear whenever a jar appears in the caverns?

[left kindle]

For me? yeah
For most people in w6? No

[thorn jetty]

cuz u may not have the upgrade yet

[worthy axle]

i swear i just got loads by getting through w5

[spark stone]

what is that trash?

[thorn jetty]

u shd prob upgrade it

[hollow patio]

The what

Then why is it there in the first place?

[thorn jetty]

idk lava spagety code i guess

[peak verge]

Visual bug

[hollow patio]

ULTRAKILL MENTIONED

THY END IS NOW

[thorn jetty]

damn

[peak verge]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-kill-coin-throwing-money-meme-minos-gif-9379540096387457045

[unborn mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-kill-minos-prime-minos-free-at-gif-26917154

[left kindle]

What is "Scaled Skill Efficiency"

[peak verge]

the less eff you have, the higher the bonus and vice versa

[worthy axle]

its kinda weird

[left kindle]

ah it's catch up efficiency?

[peak verge]

You could say that.

[left kindle]

Well it's giving me a hell of a lot

[worthy axle]

i think the only thing it was good for was to get my maestro ahead of the others once i got it

[left kindle]

Nobisect alone just buffed me 3000 gold in sample

[thorn jetty]

then what is the diff between that and skilling prowness?

make sure to equip good cards too

[void shell]

skill prowess decreases eff required to hit next tier

[thorn jetty]

so its the same as scaled skill eff?

[void shell]

no

[thorn jetty]

wut

[worthy axle]

scaled eff increases eff. prowess lowers the eff needed for multi

[thorn jetty]

ic thx

[void shell]

nice

progress

[hexed galleon]

Might as well use skill efficiency prayer

[void shell]

I have some doubts he has skilled dimwit though..

which is a scary thing to say

[worthy axle]

isnt it free?

[void shell]

ye

[left kindle]

oh shit I forgot

[worthy axle]

tbf i forget about prayers all the time

[left kindle]

I got this new one too

[void shell]

Progress, maybe time to push leeks

[left kindle]

Why did it barely go up

[void shell]

did you level it?

[void shell]

go for royal sampler

what's your sample rate?

[left kindle]

how do I check

[void shell]

go to skills then go to construction

[left kindle]

24%

[void shell]

it caps at 90, go increase it a bit

Recomend doing The Roots TD

[void shell]

level it a bit then go resample

looking at around double samples for you

[left kindle]

Well the run isnt over yet

[void shell]

higher waves = more souls so you can upgrade I guess

[green delta]

W

[unborn mauve]

the exp loss is only additive so this is huge

[left kindle]

this guy heals so much...

[void shell]

antifun spirit?

[glad isle]

funny that u remember the names

fr

[void shell]

there's not that many

[glad isle]

well

[void shell]

It's just between circular criticals and antifun spirit

[glad isle]

i ain't complaining

[void shell]

I don't think there's other blue ones

[glad isle]

anyway back to farming

[left kindle]

Is there a good tower against bosses? something that does % damage?

[spark stone]

of course not

[peak verge]

Void to disable their power. The rest is equinox scaling.

[spark stone]

best we have is slow roast wiz from equinox (and of course tower level)

[left kindle]

im using bm

[neat siren]

@orchid moss if you're still awake do you remember how long it took you to onyx the w3 es statues

i just finished the acc ones

[left kindle]

Does Royal Sampler also kill my class XP rates?

[harsh locust]

Yes, but It’s additive so it’s not a big deal

It’s 100% worth to have it on

[lofty field]

What is torch in bell upgrade?

[peak verge]

It takes quite a good amount of time, rather unenjoyable process. Eventually try to candy and see how much you get.

[peak verge]

c15

[lofty field]

Dang

Useless upgrade

Going to reset it

[neat siren]

the statues are not getting affected by mk which sucks

the acc one was much faster

[peak verge]

Lower hp mob, takes longer to scale the hp in the wormhole.

Lowkey skip w3 until you get 20 DR or so.

[neat siren]

um

[peak verge]

Ok 30 then, fuck u.

[neat siren]

LMFAO

ok gonna see my per hour gains active

[slim burrow]

how much drop rate should i focus on before pop obol farming? currently at 6.3x

[wooden eagle]

Is that in your es?

[slim burrow]

yes

[wooden eagle]

Probably can do it .

[sturdy thunder]

just got into w5 whats first priority?

[cinder osprey]

Div > Lab + div > hole

look at !guide for more in depth

[sturdy thunder]

should i just put all my characters onto div

[cinder osprey]

Yes, if u cant stand it have 1 active

!guide

[obtuse orbit]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[peak verge]

read the pinned messages for a summary

[stray snow]

I’m so close to div 50 multitool

[neon bobcat]

whats the minimum wave for citric tower defense?

[cinder osprey]

All Ik is u for sure want 50 for equinox

[neon bobcat]

yeah but all i found is a guide till wave 100, thought the min wave was 100

[cinder osprey]

impressive if u get that

[gloomy island]

Does any1 have the new updated W5 td guide?

[crude knot]

hey is anyone having issues with doot and some charecters not have purple 3d printer?

[void shell]

Just try to understand it and replicate it

I managed 50 without poisons and voids

[void shell]

did you somehow managed to disconnect from lab 2x in the mainframe?

[crude knot]

nah its definitely not the mainframe because some charecter have it and some dont

[void shell]

or maybe you're active dk, that tends to screw the colours up (visual bug, calculated as intended)

[crude knot]

its when im on my bubo

[void shell]

active dk?

[crude knot]

nah

[void shell]

ah, have you tried cloudsaving?

[crude knot]

yeah done it all not sure whats going on

[peak verge]

It's a known visual bug.

[void shell]

I mean, should be visual

[peak verge]

You can double check on IT if you want.

[crude knot]

ah cool good idea

[peak verge]

There's no updated TD guide. Same as it's always been but you remove the portal tower and put it on the ground.

[hard crest]

.. wait what

[void shell]

?

[hard crest]

you're at 9500 stamps but not at leeks

[void shell]

I was at 9200 while at woodlins

pushing is too cumbersome

[hard crest]

wild

[void shell]

I was screamed at for having marbi armor before pushing woodlins

which I guess is kind of justified?

[calm bison]

"i started one month ago trust"

[neat siren]

i did bro idk what you're talking about

[calm bison]

micro trans actions ftw

[void shell]

pretty ssure kama spends some decent cash

[worthy axle]

whale moment

[void shell]

I mean, as long as they enjoy it, I don't see a problem

[neat siren]

yeah no don't mistake me for an f2p i have spent like i think nearly 200 at this point on the game

[worthy axle]

yeah no hate if i had money i probably would too

[neat siren]

some of them were bad decisions but most of them were good ones

[calm bison]

its an unsurprising reality that this game is biased towards the p2w

[hard crest]

Just kinda odd, seems like with the effort put into farming for stamps, couldve pushed maps pretty easily

[neat siren]

all games with microtransactions are biased towards p2w

also this is a singleplayer game so...

[sand summit]

Yo kama

[neat siren]

hi eli

[void shell]

I beg to differ, I think it's quite a pain to move them about. Especially when I can just throw them somewhere, never to be seen again

[sand summit]

I know ur smart can i ask u smth

[neat siren]

sure

[peak verge]

And your account is still that sorry? Naah bro, put down the ustensils, we gotta take you out the kitchen. 💀

[neat siren]

what! my account is fine surely

[hard crest]

thats quite literally what pushing w6 is

[neat siren]

[peak verge]

early w2 lookin aaaaah

[sand summit]

Im working on 5 trophying the weekly boss. Stiltmole kills. Easy 10 mil started afk. Chopping? Ez lvl 90+ aiming for 110 on all toons. Fishing tho... 560k exp an hour... am i missing smth?

[neat siren]

hey i'm just following in a certain someone's (zuiq) footsteps

[neat siren]

you shouldn't have to worry about getting 5 trophies at this point