lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[strong shale]

holy luckerdog

[solar seal]

you should try to set aside 2000 green salt to make 2 royal traps. use 1 on BM so you can set royals, then cycle 2nd around on every toon so they can set full critters

[strong shale]

oh i didnt know u could do that

[echo crag]

you mean meaty traps dont you

[strong shale]

HOLAY i survived wave 100

[solar seal]

as long as they can equip the trap, they can set it. doesn't matter what they wear after traps are set

[strong shale]

[solar seal]

he's got levels to get up to royal

but he'll likely be limited by his salts - why i note it particularly

[strong shale]

i used my first 750 nullo salts on my dk's weapon

[solar seal]

you should be able to wave 100 like first 3-4 TD

[strong shale]

yea i think i have to redo w2 and acorn

my poison is only level 24 tho

im hella carried by the equinox bubble

[solar seal]

you have slow roast, just need to hold the wave

[strong shale]

doomed at 107 though]

[solar seal]

getting past 100 usually requires more, i don't have that yet eitehr

[strong shale]

its like 15fps too LMFAO

NOOO I WAS HOLDING SO WELL

yay pain is maxed

31 mk per tier is wild

gotta gstack them now too

meanwhile on my dock https://i.imgur.com/3066HPl.png

[steep kiln]

speedy boi

[simple wadi]

I had that exact one yesterday

[strong shale]

u can have it back

[wanton obsidian]

Is there a guide for high td waves ?

[solar seal]

i've got a better deal for you. half teh speed at 500x the cost

[strong shale]

LOL

[bleak gazelle]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1084925174517866496
Check ping/top of the thread if you don't have access to #endgame-gen-chat channel

[solar seal]

a lot of them are by pancakex so you can search for posts by him for specific TD

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, he's made many more than are listed in the guide

[wanton obsidian]

Ok that td wave is too high 😂

[bleak gazelle]

If you're look to ~80 then the one in !guide should be fine

If you're looking beyond that, anything styled on pancakes should be fine

[wanton obsidian]

I'm looking for 130+

[lethal aspen]

the idea is the same once u hahve all the towers unlocked

you just stop like 10/20 waves before pancake got to

[bleak gazelle]

[wanton obsidian]

I don't understand this set up

[lethal aspen]

use the first

[wanton obsidian]

Why are there multiple set ups

[lethal aspen]

it should saw in detail why he swaps

most likely cos he hits the time limit for some waves and others have just too many spawns

[wanton obsidian]

First as in top right?

Top left*

[lethal aspen]

2. First image (top left) = your base setup (what you'll use till 170)
   ------ Second image (top right) = your defensive setup (what you'll switch to after taking all mobs color at waves 170, 180, 190, 200)
   ------ Third image (bottom left) = your half dps setup (what you'll use at 170/180/190 after only the big mobs remain)
   ------ Fourth image (bottom right) = your full dps setup (what you'll use at 200, when 18 mobs are left)

[bleak gazelle]

why does he enjoy this

[lethal aspen]

peepo are special

[wanton obsidian]

He plays balloons td that's why

[solar seal]

its called 'dps' setup - when you get super late waves, you don't need all the krakens to keep boss back versus needing damage to kill within the 9999 time limit. so you sell your setup and go full dps w/ only 1-2 kraken to keep boss in place. that's why you see 1-2 images

[wanton obsidian]

The guide says get atk speed to get ur krakens to 0.3

What if I can't hit that?

[zinc torrent]

need lv50+ krakens

[junior dune]

Then you won't reach wave 200

[wanton obsidian]

I'm not trying to

Just trying to push high waves

[junior dune]

Yeah, don't worry about that. Go as far as you can

[wanton obsidian]

So do I just split dmg and speed then?

[junior dune]

Just using the first setup should be fine if you don't want to go past like 150

[junior dune]

Yeah, probably with significantly more speed though to get faster krakens

[wanton obsidian]

Or how about full speed?

[junior dune]

that works as well

[wanton obsidian]

Alright thanks

I'll just put like 2-3 on dmg

[obtuse orbit]

🚫 acecow (whoot?), you need to wait 2 seconds to use that command again.

[bleak gazelle]

!weeklyboss btw, read the thread, pin isn't updated yet

[obtuse orbit]

Want the W2 Weekly Boss kill strategies? Of course you do. You can head to https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1157094107085283428 and read the pins.

Want to know the strategies for future weeks too? Check out the Google Sheet made by Roronoa Zoro and DiamondDoge.

[lethal aspen]

wrong pic?

[wanton obsidian]

Yes.

It's already taking awhile

There.

[lethal aspen]

your missing the 2nd poison up there, idk if it'll hit tho

it'll be slow since u need time to ramp up

[wanton obsidian]

Yeah but I don't have point rn

I'll put it next

[lethal aspen]

as in u probably didnt need to place all those parties/krakens first

[wanton obsidian]

I did they're stacking up

[lethal aspen]

but u made it to 120 so not getting overwhelemd yet

[wanton obsidian]

0.42 atk spd

I'm trying to get it to 3

[proud pumice]

you problably need more upgrades from const for 3

[wanton obsidian]

Yeah probably

Welp I got to wave 140 then got overwhelmed

[ocean matrix]

Where is a good place to farm hampters?

[gilded sedge]

If u dislike stiltmoles the second best place is at the worship altar, just pray that the idleon gods give you hampters

[ocean matrix]

Understandable, I was already praying for the answer to not be stillmoles 😦

[gilded sedge]

Where else would you farm em

At gmush?

[ocean matrix]

Idk, they also drop from the capibaras as normal drop

[gilded sedge]

I haven't unlocked capybaras yet

No but ong wtf is capybaras, they don't exist right im not that cooked

[ocean matrix]

Maybe I'm confusing the names, the ones that walk in longsticks

[gilded sedge]

That's stiltmoles

[ocean matrix]

How the f are named the moles at the end of w5 then?

[gilded sedge]

Uh no clue

But they don't drop hampters

Only stiltmoles do

Maybe I'm getting the names wrong tho

[ocean matrix]

Na, your right, I was confused because the crystal mob is a stiltmole but is named capibara

[granite swallow]

i want to ask, is there a way to farm Colosseum tickets or is limited to 3 at day?

[sharp mauve]

Not anymore. Just super rare from 6th Post Office Order. (W4 company)

[oblique zinc]

Good one lava thanks

[wanton obsidian]

Lol

[solar seal]

what a pain this was

[young yacht]

anyone remember what gaming multiplier they were at when they decided to push for 90q red bits?
Currently at 5.95e27

[worldly lagoon]

high e26/low e27 is fine to do the grind, should take like 10-15 hrs of cycling

[young yacht]

thanks, guess it is time to strap in.

[burnt flax]

for some reason, my w4 and w5 boss dont drop cards anymore. anyone knows why?

I killed w5 boss 10 times in a roll and no cards

[young yacht]

what is your drop rate? it has a poor chance compared to the earlier worlds

[terse verge]

They are like 5-10x rarer. Can’t compare to earlier worlds

10 kills is nothing when people can farm several thousands of keys for kills

[burnt flax]

170% of the extra card drop rate. i am not sure where to check the exact

so.. it's just w4 and w5 drop rate.. really low. is that right?

[sharp mauve]

How is your generic Drop Rate?

[burnt flax]

+110% drop rate from skill and card

sorry i dont know where to check the exact fraction

[terse verge]

Normal Amarok is 1/25 for card. Normal Troll is 1/250. Normal Kattle is 1/1250. Just to give you sense of scale

[burnt flax]

5.08x

[sharp mauve]

There goes your answer

[burnt flax]

I see now.. it just really low..

[sharp mauve]

You need more than 10x to see a more frequent drop

Card Drop Rate stat alone won't help much, but they do matter

[burnt flax]

i see. thanks. guess ill just have to come back with a higher drop rate.

it really cleared things up

[green pier]

merit board priority?

[sharp mauve]

Things like Gold Food and Onyx Statue grind only become viable once you hit beyond 10x DR, aside from Chocolate Chip.

[terse verge]

!merit5

[obtuse orbit]

IMPORTANT: have atom cost reduction when you're starting to produce atoms

1. loot capacity. sailing artifacts are main w5 progression
2. w5 skill xp. you'll be sitting on divinity for a while, and skill levels help so its good to get it started early
3. respawn. portals get huge in w5
4. boss armor. recommended to save 5 points in preparation for boss armor, that way you'll be able to unlock all the pieces without having to do additional tasks
5. tab4 talent points and star talent: you might be low on elite tab talent points and stats when you're new to w5 but there are other sources. you can prioritize these over boss armor if you're not confident in crafting later armor

[green pier]

thanks I had a feeling thats what it would be

[granite swallow]

i need help with getting bees for the lusstre netting, but my best siege breaker only can get 3117 at hr

[sharp mauve]

Maestro Catching skill lv number 1?

[granite swallow]

My SB is lv 55, and my VW is lv 25

[solar seal]

i'm not going to say that's the only issue.. but that accounts for a lot

[sharp mauve]

Always go to number 1.

It is a chain reaction. Skilling bubbles could use resources from other class specialty. Ex: Insects for chopping bubbles, Smithing for orange bubbles, etc.

[granite swallow]

how i can increase is lv quick

beside trapping

[sharp mauve]

Aside from Trapping and Worship, base efficiency matters. So Transfusion might need to turn off.

Things like meal, stamp, Rex Rings, Dimwit, Catching bubbles, Chaos Troll card, all adds up.

[granite swallow]

i dont have chaos troll cards

[sharp mauve]

I assume you have no Skill Mastery from Rift either?

[granite swallow]

not

im in rift 5

[sharp mauve]

It is Rift 16 bonus, but I already answered what needs to be done.

[granite swallow]

ok thanks, also about stamps, is there any form to ignore the under level

[sharp mauve]

Just level them all as long as you do not lose so many mats based on what u can print/earn.

[bleak gazelle]

forgot to check my old rate but new sample 🎉

[wanton obsidian]

Yeah ok

[solar seal]

can prob check your public IE/IT if you didn't push your data

[bleak gazelle]

good thinking

[solar seal]

9x not bad

[wanton obsidian]

What's your log print?

[bleak gazelle]

2nd ES was at 328m, haven't done first ES and bubo yet

[wanton obsidian]

Ooh

[solar seal]

ace prolonging torture of re-samples over multiple days

[wanton obsidian]

That's me

[bleak gazelle]

trying to do too much shit at once man

[solar seal]

i do resamples like nasty medicine. take it all in one go, and be done with it for 2 weeks minimum

[sacred bison]

so close to the lvl 25 boost!!!

[wanton obsidian]

I'm still lvling my bubbles before resampling

[bleak gazelle]

normally i can get them all done in a night but it was a struggle yesterday

I also realized I could get a few more afk% by moving people to goat since my weekly reset was today anyway

so it worked out

[solar seal]

this is my 2c, but if you haven't unlocked goat yet - i would actually do focus on all your divinity folks (assuming they are meditating) so you can get goat unlocked quicker

[sacred bison]

What does goat do?

[solar seal]

i considered this. doing like 1 skill/week rather than doing mass exodus to snake with no one on goat

[solar seal]

goat allows you to level divinity and lab at the same time. cutting down your 'jail' time in half as a result

[bleak gazelle]

i didn't get it for my first three that I sampled (which were my last 3 characters), but figured I might as well do it for my others since weekly was right now. so guess I'll try and do it around this time always

or just...get doot. i guess

[sacred bison]

ill switch em all. that is baller!

[solar seal]

a good strat is all on focus until goat -> then while you are in lab with goat on - you can eitehr a) go all mantra so they level or b) do focus/vitalic for a little bit until you get up to purrmep (kitty) unlocked for the sailing bonus

[bleak gazelle]

guess first SB will just be a bit lower than last alts in terms of increase. that's probably right

oh, managed to get a tiny bit bigger by swapping to food effect bonus

[junior dune]

I will have to start using the don't resample artifact soon to get the amount of atoms I want. I'm not looking forward to not being able to casually take a sample for whatever I need at the moment and needing to redo all samples at once

And for those long term samples I will need to min max divinity as well which sounds like a pain

And it locks me into doing it before the weekly reset

[solar seal]

sigh doot...

[junior dune]

It will be so painful

[solar seal]

not jealous of your position :x

[bleak gazelle]

i'll take it

Oh, I was thinking about setting up a thread in #1084911530417606656 similar to the World 6 one, what do y'all think

[junior dune]

I want to get a marble set for each class, unlock all sample spots and finish my last few printable mob vials, so I won't have to do it yet for a while, but most of my effort now will be towards getting ready for the mega sample day

[solar seal]

i beleive you've used this reaction before. seems apt

[junior dune]

A W5 guide master list? That would be quite nice

[bleak gazelle]

idk why that didn't load but either way worked

[solar seal]

[bleak gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[solar seal]

you got me

[bleak gazelle]

got some shit goin on but i'll see if I can lay some stuff out and maybe find some posts to screencap/re-write

cause one day this is gonna get merged with w6

fr fr this time

[solar seal]

if they get re-merged before w7 comes out, i'd be shocked

[bleak gazelle]

i'm assuming the next time will be around then, but having something setup for new w5 folks would be good instead of having to dig through pins on pins

[solar seal]

ooh i see what you mean. the eventuality of it, rather than nearness

[bleak gazelle]

my first red win lets goooooo

[strong shale]

hell yeah

!weeklyboss

[obtuse orbit]

Want the W2 Weekly Boss kill strategies? Of course you do. You can head to https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1157094107085283428 and read the pins.

Want to know the strategies for future weeks too? Check out the Google Sheet made by Roronoa Zoro and DiamondDoge.

[strong shale]

UPDATE IT

[bleak gazelle]

@strong shale smh

[strong shale]

the google sheet is updated 🙂

[bleak gazelle]

that's what i normally use

[strong shale]

i keep forgetting to use it so i spam this channel with the command

[lethal aspen]

use #bot-commands as your supposed to

[bleak gazelle]

weeklyboss is a reminder command

[strong shale]

!merit5

[obtuse orbit]

IMPORTANT: have atom cost reduction when you're starting to produce atoms

1. loot capacity. sailing artifacts are main w5 progression
2. w5 skill xp. you'll be sitting on divinity for a while, and skill levels help so its good to get it started early
3. respawn. portals get huge in w5
4. boss armor. recommended to save 5 points in preparation for boss armor, that way you'll be able to unlock all the pieces without having to do additional tasks
5. tab4 talent points and star talent: you might be low on elite tab talent points and stats when you're new to w5 but there are other sources. you can prioritize these over boss armor if you're not confident in crafting later armor

[bleak gazelle]

Not bad

[wanton obsidian]

What is best to farm this statue? DK or ES

[bleak gazelle]

ES, check 📌 for some numbers

[wanton obsidian]

Doesn't it make more sense to use DK?

It's in the rare drop table

[bleak gazelle]

It's not in the crystal drop table, so more chances at the base mob's drop table is better

[wanton obsidian]

Hm I see

[bleak gazelle]

somethingsomething lava coding and DK orb and stuff

i pretend like i understand when people explain it

i'm assuming it's to do with how ES portal DR scales compared to how DK orb scales

[wanton obsidian]

How's your eclipse skull going btw?@bleak gazelle

[bleak gazelle]

pretty much just gmush, haven't been focusing on it at all

[wanton obsidian]

Oh

[bleak gazelle]

was working on onyx, swapped over to getting 100k plunders, now resampling

might throw BB onto it once I get this next rift unlocked

samples were way overdue

[wanton obsidian]

I'm doing eclipse skulls for more dmg so I can effectively farm w3 statues

What's your dr looking like btw

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, that and higher DR were probably the play

uhh, last i checked on SB with DR setup was like 18.77?

[wanton obsidian]

We have around the same dr

[bleak gazelle]

brightside only needs 70 cards to level, so might go do that too

think i'm a day or two off of 100k plunders though, so i'll start with that

[wanton obsidian]

Why is your killer brightside card not lvl 5 yet

[bleak gazelle]

beucase i hate farming cards

[wanton obsidian]

Mister brightside*

Do U need crystal chance too?

[bleak gazelle]

a bit, mostly from shrine I think

need to farm chaotic chiz card

[wanton obsidian]

Oh the gold food?

[bleak gazelle]

uhh shrine effects

no cake recipe yet

[wanton obsidian]

Is this ES card set up?

[bleak gazelle]

just crystal/dr setup. i'd swap poop with doot if you have a bottom right doubler

[wanton obsidian]

No but how does chaotic chiz card relate to this

I'm confused

[wanton obsidian]

No I know what that is I was just confused with your card set up, I thought that was what you used to farm w3 statues

[bleak gazelle]

oh, nah, i was just posting cards in general for DR

actually, that's the same i used for ES too

[wanton obsidian]

But why 😭

[bleak gazelle]

but leveling chiz would help regardless with dr and damage shrines too

i'm timing out on my portal too fast and I don't feel like respeccing

[wanton obsidian]

The statues don't drop from crystals tho right?

Except exp statue

But you can easily get that from the npc

[bleak gazelle]

what talent respecs? i have way to many off them, i just don't feel like doing it all over. i'd lose a hundred or so wisdom in tab 1, too because i snapshotted vman talent

[wanton obsidian]

Not sure Im following

[bleak gazelle]

Crystals still drop golden ham/cheese too

Vman tab 4 talents that increase base stats can be snapshotted. Ex. I max out wisdom, I spend all the points on my mages to max out wisdom, then I respec Vman to redo it with strenght, etc.
You keep the points already spent, but if you reset, since Vman doesn't have those points in tab 4 wisdom talent, my mages don't get the extra level cap anymore

[wanton obsidian]

I know what that is but what does that have to do with my question about the crystal cards when you're farming w3 statues

[bleak gazelle]

Because I'm still destroying mobs when my ES portal runs out because I've kept it kind of low due to pushing

I don't have points to level it and I don't want to respec

so i just use crystal/DR cards because I have plenty of damage and I still need drops from w3 crystals, too

[wanton obsidian]

Srry what does respec mean?

[bleak gazelle]

redo my talents, I think it's short for re-specialize

[wanton obsidian]

Ahh ok

[bleak gazelle]

from WoW talent specializations, sorry

basically. i'm just lazy

i'll probably fix it whenever I go for the other two w3 statues though, so thanks for pointing that out

it'll probably be a while though cause doing box statues was

[wanton obsidian]

Oh which one have you finished?

Oh box

[bleak gazelle]

I'm kind of mad. I didn't know yondergreen's quest had a mob drop from penguins...so I'll have to go back sometime and do that

[wanton obsidian]

Wait what is his quest?

Also this is my kph in frogs

[bleak gazelle]

No clue, I got to him once last year, saw you had to move shrines and said nope and forgot about him

[worldly lagoon]

nice kph :o

[bleak gazelle]

can't remember what mine is, it's been a while since I had SB farming w1 stuff

[wanton obsidian]

You can move shrines cuz of the w6 upgrades right?

[bleak gazelle]

yeah

[wanton obsidian]

Do U have it yet

[bleak gazelle]

yes

[worldly lagoon]

my kph on gmush on my sb is only a few mil below my goal D: it's a struggle

[clever narwhal]

I love my grandma, however the poor lady is sending me about 5 birthday cards a day and I really don't know what to do with them. Is there a way I can ask the mail not to deliver them?

[sharp mauve]

Stacking them for meme

[junior dune]

Doubt this is the best place for that discussion. She is likely suffering from some kind of mental decline. Is she taken care of well and has been tested for Alzheimer's or other types of dementia?

[wanton obsidian]

Is there any reason to have 2 dr obol set?

Kinda painful to trash it

Considering how long it took me before

[sharp mauve]

6 Maestro skills + 1 DR set + 1 Construction + 1 MK + 1 Misc 🤔 Unless we remove Construction?

[lethal aspen]

1 for everyone

[sharp mauve]

Skilling Obols weak? 🤔

[worldly lagoon]

for obols i made all my chars a pop/dice obol set, u can skip sparkling maybe cuz of kruk obols being pretty easy to farm

[wanton obsidian]

I'm just gonna trash it lol

[junior dune]

I did two DR sets. It's very convenient not to switch quite as often

[lethal aspen]

less now that u can swap

[sharp mauve]

Was thinking dumping all Luck and make it Pop. 🤔

[wanton obsidian]

Hmm I'll do that instead of my useless def obols 😂

[wanton obsidian]

Why do U have luck

[sharp mauve]

Idk forgot it is worthless on Vman.

[junior dune]

What if you want to use the forsaken, balance of pain, beefy for real and the bb health reduction at the same time? Then you might not have enough def for your latest map.

[wanton obsidian]

Now you're making this difficult for me

I'll just upgrade my bubble if that were to come

I finished w1 except for the horrendous kph of the last one

[worldly lagoon]

i need to kill more gmush's

[wanton obsidian]

That's a lot 😂

[worldly lagoon]

aiming for 1T

[wanton obsidian]

What's your current kph

[vapid reef]

why is the rift map so laggy

[wanton obsidian]

No idea it's not for me

Ruby cards looks satisfying to look at ngl

[worldly lagoon]

sry was tabbed out; most of my chars sit around like 37m my bm/second sb about 44 and my main sb like 47

[wanton obsidian]

That's quadrupoled mine 😂

[worldly lagoon]

you'll get there

w6 gains are crazy

[eternal wasp]

Is that 37b?

[worldly lagoon]

374b

[eternal wasp]

Ah okay

That's nice

You have 10x my kills lol

[wispy fulcrum]

your almost as high as me youll get there

[worldly lagoon]

like 1/3 to my goal xD

[worldly lagoon]

need more money gains

[eternal wasp]

So now this is 5t? I'm bad with numbers ngl

[wispy fulcrum]

5mil lol

[eternal wasp]

Ah fuck

Yeah noticed it later

[worldly lagoon]

close nuff

[wispy fulcrum]

true

[eternal wasp]

Haha

[toxic saddle]

When is evo 6 again 🤔

[wanton obsidian]

Superbits upgrade

[toxic saddle]

Ahh, got it. My brain isn’t braining with the current flood that’s happening outside

[wanton obsidian]

I hit 10T :OO

[worldly lagoon]

now you have big boy purple numbers

[wanton obsidian]

Yessir

Will be higher once I optimised my gear

[mossy wigeon]

Reached world five two weeks ago. I used my candy to get vman. I don't know what to do anymore

[lethal aspen]

get w6

[jade gull]

artifacts are permanent, right?

ancient forms as well

[sharp mauve]

Yes

[lethal aspen]

yo

this guy is usable too, other one is cloudrate

[gentle furnace]

ive only seen one till now

[lethal aspen]

my 4th 😅

[forest dust]

I've almost got all my chacters done with divinity what should my aim after that?

[late grotto]

Is there no point in going beyond round 200 pet arena?
And how to stop lol?
Just press the exit?

[junior dune]

No point in continuing and you can either press exit or turn off auto so you die naturally

[late grotto]

Impossible to die lol

[junior dune]

If you stop using abilities I think you should die? The egg shell buff isn't one hundred percent and all your pets should be one shot. I just pressed exit personally

[silver loom]

Meant 173 sorry for late reply

[proven iron]

Every step i make to infinite gaming loop i stray further away from god. And my hand hurts.

[eternal wasp]

I got like 4 xD

[naive basalt]

Pain indeed

I just do it once every sailing claim so 2 or 4 hours

[fiery wagon]

Is there any way to remove a shrine once placed? Crystal mobs spawning just slow my kph by a lot so crescent shrine isn't great

[tepid sail]

You can place shrines somewhere else. You lose the xp tho.

[fiery wagon]

Doesn't moai head mean I still get the effect?

[tepid sail]

Yea, forgot about that.

[wide niche]

merit priority?

[elfin cypress]

!merit5

[obtuse orbit]

IMPORTANT: have atom cost reduction when you're starting to produce atoms

1. loot capacity. sailing artifacts are main w5 progression
2. w5 skill xp. you'll be sitting on divinity for a while, and skill levels help so its good to get it started early
3. respawn. portals get huge in w5
4. boss armor. recommended to save 5 points in preparation for boss armor, that way you'll be able to unlock all the pieces without having to do additional tasks
5. tab4 talent points and star talent: you might be low on elite tab talent points and stats when you're new to w5 but there are other sources. you can prioritize these over boss armor if you're not confident in crafting later armor

[wide niche]

oh cool, thanks

[oblique zinc]

Any tips for wormhole

[junior dune]

Is it for rift or just in general?

[junior dune]

The most important part is just having a lot of damage and high lvled talents. The tornados can tear through wormhole monsters if you have the damage

[sterile bison]

Set it off on the smallest platform possible even if mobs don’t normally spawn there so tornado hits as many times as possible

[junior dune]

In rift specifically I would use a tiny platform on the left side far away from the monster, that way you won't be distracted by other mobs and have several tornados ontop of the platform

Just like Hockey said

[bright meteor]

100T+ dmg

[raw tundra]

wait isn't there supposed to be 4 according to wiki this is only one did i not read enough?

[floral hull]

hey is it worth buying an unupgraded captain with better base stats and replace an already scaed captain in sailing?

[steep kiln]

Need to unlock the other via w6 jade emporium

[raw tundra]

if i don't and find this artifact, do i still get ||1000x chance for finding artifacts|| ?

[steep kiln]

I don't know but that is only a joke, it only matters if you have all artifacts already.

[raw tundra]

if i don't unlock the next ones, technically i have all artifacts?

[steep kiln]

Right but then as soon as you unlock them the bonus goes away. Like it's just a joke built into the lab node

[raw tundra]

||but technnically i can find rarer version of artifacts with that 1000 bonus||

[steep kiln]

No I don't think you understand. The 1000 is just a joke. It only takes into affect when you have no possible new artifacts or upgrades available.

[raw tundra]

oh nevermind i see why it is a joke sure sure

[steep kiln]

Like I have every artifact sovereign and now I have the 1000x bonus but it does nothing because I have everything

[hoary oracle]

hello

[short sparrow]

Up to 6m oak print, not bad

[teal brook]

is this a good pull cause it seems a bit crazy

[hoary oracle]

should i grind w5 with es or dk?

[gentle furnace]

not really, you want speed+loot

[potent gust]

all my characters with 10x dr at least

feels good

[hoary oracle]

so which is the best class?

[sterile bison]

DK for pushing

[hoary oracle]

k. im doing dk rn but i wanted to check if thats a good idea

[pure zenith]

I found ES very comfortable for regular play but DK does open portals fastest for sure.

[wanton obsidian]

Why does the game like spawning the random boss behind things

I literally can't target it

[teal brook]

Auto or abilities

[main kettle]

What da hell is this and where to get it

[main kettle]

okay thanks.

[solar seal]

should require level 60 smithing

[solar seal]

don't forget there is an "attack monster" keybind

[hoary oracle]

hello. you been increasing your damage at all?

[main kettle]

oh hey man how u doing, yeah I’ve got some decent buffs and these are my stats currently

doing the trapping quest for the critter used in scythe, will take some time

[hoary oracle]

getting better!

[main kettle]

thanks man appreciate it!

[hoary oracle]

all the stats are looking good. i would say though since it looks like your accuracy has gone down a bit which is fine remember to keep working on that. ur gonna need around 40k accuracy for 100% attack chance to get to kruk(even though kruk himself needs under 4k accuracy) So just keep that in mind

[dull ember]

Who can help me

[main kettle]

oh only 40k? I expected higher

[hoary oracle]

yeah but you still need to double your accuracy. which shouldnt be to hard if you remember the bonuses

[main kettle]

yessir, am also two fishing levels away from getting a maestro, hope that helps me at least a bit

[hoary oracle]

nice! maestro is huge bonus for skilling.

[main kettle]

yea it had been a hell of a grind too so hopes it won’t go to waste

[hoary oracle]

but honestly in terms of your equipment your probably good! a mix of void dementia and efuant or chiz is normally enough

[main kettle]

Do u know any easy and good way on getting pearls? Besides killroy

[solar seal]

black/holy pearls are mainly from quests or event boxes - so killroy is only 'farmable' method, though if you haven't unlocked your 1k book achievement, that is usually a better option for skull currency

[main kettle]

Yeah I def didn’t get the achievement yet

[solar seal]

i would recommend getting that first since books can be a time gate. xp is something that is more grind-able so not as limited by time

[zealous pagoda]

does this box not have special traps for different times?

[junior dune]

Nope after royal trap there are no more options

[zealous pagoda]

rip :c

spend 20k nullo salt for nothing

[runic girder]

Not totally nothing

[zealous pagoda]

👀

[main kettle]

Who has the guide please

[strong shale]

👀 https://i.imgur.com/lYiE83O.png

my max is 54, passing lotus floor

[umbral nexus]

anyone know why im not getting slab bonus i ahve 780 slab it says after 500

[strong shale]

move maps

[umbral nexus]

oh is it only on a certain map you get the bonus?

[strong shale]

no u need to update it

just go in and out of a portal

[umbral nexus]

bet got it thank you(:

also to level sailing do you need to be standing there or is it passive

[strong shale]

its passive

[umbral nexus]

bet

[solar seal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vST3HcgBgeq8H9jztaMhUXZAAAHl120PvDVo_48qJpn6n9qnpa-TWmuG_kN9cmtr66M-OtO482XIOAk/pubhtml

[main kettle]

Thanks man appreciated

[hoary oracle]

hello dudes

2.3 million damage rn

im about to unlock 3rd island

[umbral nexus]

do you need to have shrine world on if you have moai head in world 5?

[solar seal]

https://imgur.com/a/wrNktNQ technically no. but it gives you more maps to level shrines on

[umbral nexus]

thanks brother

[solar flame]

holy cow (literally), first kattle clear, LFG

[brittle goblet]

Not literally. That cow is in hell. Not holy. XD (Im *that *guy... XD)

[solar seal]

welcome to w6... now go back and fix everything you've neglected up to this point

[solar flame]

truly

for divinity level pushing is it better for everyone to be on mantra or everyone on vitalic

ive heard that mantra divinity exp boosts dont exactly work in a straightforward manner

[fast wolf]

tbh ur dmg looks kinda low for ur gear prob bc ur dk

dk has bad dmg at first

[still apex]

What mantra doesn't do is get doubled (from things like biggie hours card) on every other character apart from the one who claimed it. I wouldn't say it's bad but the later ones are good if only for the divinity points.
I'm sure there's some simple math you can do to see its exact efficiency.

[solar flame]

i think my only doubled source is from biggie hours and thats only at a 12% so it sounds like mantra would be better unless i kept getting crazy lucky

[bleak gazelle]

What gods have you unlocked?

[brazen cliff]

hey is there a way to lvl up shrines faster?

[still apex]

Not really, just level them, gold cheese is little help, points in the shrine talent. It's just slow

[bleak gazelle]

Vial, po box, superbit, moai artifact levels, multiple people on the map/world, crystal shrine levels, gold cheese, pretty sure candy works

chaotic chiz card to boost effect of crystal shrine

[still apex]

It gets simpler, especially in w6

[brazen cliff]

wait so if im on w5 and tehy on w4 they dont get lvled?

but i the upgrades say they effect all world

so i asumed they get lvled in all world

[still apex]

The effects yes, not leveling

[bleak gazelle]

https://imgur.com/a/wrNktNQ

fancy infographic from kaito

[brazen cliff]

i understand 0 from this

[bleak gazelle]

it uses colors and boxes and words

[still apex]

From getting the moai head you always place it in town, the world that town is in is the world they can level in

[bleak gazelle]

if you want to level, you're interested in the red box

[main kettle]

what would u suggest

[brazen cliff]

god dam it

i left theam all in w4 for like 5 months

tought they wore lvling

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, it's a bit confusing when you first get moai because of the wording

which is why kaito made this

[brazen cliff]

so shold i move theam to w5

or 6

[bleak gazelle]

5 if you're still trying to get goat

[main kettle]

wait Moai disent work same as the lab node?

[brazen cliff]

since i wont be for long staying in w5

[bleak gazelle]

4 if you've got goat and trying to get both lab/div xp

6 if you want to...link everyone to arctis and push w6? (probably not recommended for most people)

[brazen cliff]

i already have it like that

[bleak gazelle]

Moai gives bonuses but doesn't allow you to level in other maps

[still apex]

I need to reread these effects it's been too long and i just know what they do together

[main kettle]

so if I place them in town I still get bonuses across the whole world

[solar flame]

up to the 3rd, nobisect

[bleak gazelle]

infographic lays it out pretty nicely

[solar flame]

all characters currently level 25

[bleak gazelle]

I probably wouldn't use mantra and just keep people on lab to get both xp and points (especially), you're definitely going to want to get at least goat, and ideally up to purrmep (god 7)

[brazen cliff]

dude wtf i just calculated and it wold take me 351 days to lvl up the shrines 1 more time

need to lvl up 4 of theam becaus i need 140 total for the clouds

[still apex]

There are lots of ways to make it faster and 10x characters is definitely a factor

[solar flame]

all my guys are like level 35 in the lab, where does that put me

[brazen cliff]

thats with 10 characters

with a single character its 3510days

[still apex]

Mine take about 3 weeks at level 19

[brazen cliff]

dam what lvl do you have them in the construction?

[still apex]

Idk, less than 100

[solar flame]

also all my guys are on the bear god so theyre in the lab just not getting any xp

[still apex]

Obviously some are faster than others

[brazen cliff]

lol my are at lvl 1

never lvled theam 😛

[bleak gazelle]

You'll typically want at least 75 in lab to unlock all your chip slots and then you'll eventually push to 1400/2100. But Goat will help with that

[bleak gazelle]

i mean, that's an issue

[still apex]

Construction mastery is a nice excuse to level them

[granite swallow]

upgrade stones have any use beside the iv v iv, because they take too many space in my chest?

[bleak gazelle]

i would just keep 6

and mystery 1 and 2, at least

[still apex]

I keep w4 and w5 stones in case they suddenly have a use in the future, other people keep more. You can technically trash them all apart from mystery (and w6)

[bleak gazelle]

2 of these to craft efaunt helmet if you haven't, also, but pretty farmable

[kindred moss]

do you think it'll take me a long time to get suggma recipe with 23x DR on ES?

[still apex]

That's more than i had, i did it at 15x DR. Though i just used a ton of candies on vman

It'll definitely be a grind, but it's chance so who really knows?

[solar seal]

that's more than most have when going for the recipe, but that doesn't mean you'll get it faster if lady luck has scorned you recently

[bleak gazelle]

or you know

[solar seal]

i've seen people with shit DR get it in <50mil kills... thne people with great DR get in in 1B+ kills

[bleak gazelle]

it could just say fuck you in particular

[granite swallow]

question, is there any way to get high alchemy level, i have problems passing over lv 50 even with my bubo

also for some weird reason my DK as better exp gaining in alchemy that my bubo

[solar seal]

a lot of it is just time + making sure to use your CC every time it is up. keep your bubo in a liquid cauldron + skill spec will help over time - but there's nothing to really "fast track" it crazy until you get teneyecle talent lvl 200

[solar seal]

are they in a liquid cauldron vs. your bubo in a color cauldron?

[kindred moss]

just use bubo on those worms actively for a long time with a decent level on this.

[solar seal]

liquid cauldrons have XP boost versus being able to generate charge for cauldron attempts

[kindred moss]

and always be sure to level up this in pay2win whenever you can.

[granite swallow]

im still stuck with max book at lv 150

[granite swallow]

yes

[oblique zinc]

https://marpad.idleonefficiency.com/
Anything key i m missing here

[solar seal]

in the long lost forgotten archives of the 'help' section, you can find this handy info

[bleak gazelle]

If you've got rift slug and a few ES levels, that should be good enough to start. You obviously won't get as much benefit as you would from 200 tenta, but if you don't have anything else planned, CC farming is rarely wasted

[bleak gazelle]

[kindred moss]

Get your library up whenever you can.

[bleak gazelle]

[oblique zinc]

Bro i m bad

[solar seal]

holy, i don't even have that sigil at lvl 2 yet

[oblique zinc]

I d left my chars in a lab for a year ++++

[bleak gazelle]

fair enough

[solar seal]

^ ok that makes more sense then

[granite swallow]

only missing the achievement and the sailing artifact

[bleak gazelle]

Well, for now, I would move them all over to liquid or color cauldrons, then

• Get your maestro to rank 1 in w1-3 gathering/non-town skills
• Resample, focus on mats for refinery and first two bubbles of each cauldron and push those to 150/75
• Unlock new bubbles
• Work on fixing your salt ranks, you'll need to double your red and get a few orange levels to fuel that blue amount
• Get all your meals to level 11 in prep for the Diamond Chef bubble speed boost (Yellow 18)

Then I would look at

• Forge - make sure you've got some ores smelting into bars, upgrade with coins when you can
• Anvil - remember to buy points and use them. IE has a chart to show you how much you need in total and how much have currently in ( ). ES is great at farming this. W3 has a reset stone if you need to change over to all speed points
• Stamps - work on unlocking missing stamps and pushing towards 5k stamp level (arbitrary, just set a goal and aim for it)

I might also take two of your fighting characters and throw them onto Div just so you can unlock Goat a little bit faster. While you have decent lab levels for now, you're going to need about 4x as much in the future

On stamps in particular, you might want to use Scoli's AutoReview tool to determine if any you haven't gotten are "optional" due to the new "No Stamp Left Behind" boost in the latest bundle. If you don't have it or won't get it, then you can ignore it... or if you don't care then
https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1174753262365315203

[warm steppe]

how does mutation chance work ive clickj with 6-8% like 50-70 times with nothing on the 6th plant

[halcyon shoal]

You mean in gaming? Generally it's best to click it as often as you can due to rapid diminishing returns

[solar seal]

its better to try many more times at lower odds than trying to accrue a higher odds chance. (think like bubble unlocks). particularly when you get to chemplants, the strategy comes down to - collect all, whatever genes you got even if its 0.1%, you try for chemplants. rinse repeat

[halcyon shoal]

Ya by far chem will (likely) be the most difficult to unlock unless you have insane rng luck lol

[warm steppe]

oof bad enough rates at 7% but ill try the 2% attempts

[bleak gazelle]

fuuuuuuu, nugget only increased by 8k

not even a 1% increase

got 14 snail though, so i guess that's a consolation prize

[main kettle]

Is it true I only need 40k accuracy to push whole w5

[fading cape]

the very last monster in W5 requires 75k accuracy. for 100% hit rate. (25k accuracy for 5%)

as for what your accuracy would realistically need to be to push the whole of it, 40k would get you very far and worst case scenario is ruining your AFK gains. but if you have 40k and are prepared to work on shaquaracy bubble and accuracy meals, you won't struggle to get to 75k

[short sparrow]

My nug is 52k and I'm starting to get 10k+ from the shovel, I hope I get something decent

[bleak gazelle]

you'll need 54k to do moles (which you need for boss) or 81k if you're on a DK for refinery damage talent

[main kettle]

81k?…

[bleak gazelle]

time to pump that wisdom bubble

[zinc torrent]

finally took a while to drop

[oblique zinc]

Thank you this is really gonna help i felt kind of lost i appreciate it

[sacred bison]

23 attempts to get this recipe on 8.3% >.< killin me lava lord!!!

[solar seal]

7min per attempt isn't bad, at least

[sacred bison]

yeah, just watching movies and waiting 😄

getting through demon slayer

[lethal aspen]

get better new recipe chance 😅

[sacred bison]

need better pets for more spice i suppose

[thorn kindle]

Just pop a ladle or 2 lol

[sacred bison]

used em all trying to get 50% chance 😄

didnt work

[simple wadi]

I am deeply unsettled by the answers to this question. I have never once brushed a gamer before. That's not part of the gamer bro code.

[strong shale]

[oblique zinc]

What do you mean by “rank 1” for maestro?

[bleak gazelle]

As the screenshot showed, your maestro is not the highest level amongst all you characters for those skills. You mostly want him to be rank 1 so that all your other characters benefit from his right hand talent for an efficiency boost for sampling, but also because they'll get an xp buff (from left hand talent) once you do get them more levels

[glacial night]

is w5 boss just afk??

[solar seal]

if you have damage, yes. if not, may need to micromanage mole spawns

[glacial night]

oh im supposed to kill the moles so he doesnt heal

well crap

i dont think i have the damage

[lethal aspen]

what class are you playing lol

[glacial night]

i got beastmaster on 50m damage

max damage

[lethal aspen]

your whales pig and stuff probabl can do it? idk

[solar seal]

make sure you are using your active skill

bm is one of those that can't fully auto but mostly auto

[lethal aspen]

make sure u walk into melee range of the boss so u can hit the right hand ones

[solar seal]

gotta use ballista for any that leak through traps/boars/whales

[glacial night]

gotcha

[solar seal]

am i crazy or did this icon recently change

[lethal aspen]

your crazy

you on phone?

probably your os changing the emojis

[solar seal]

pc

i'll go into my corner and cry in shame

[bleak gazelle]

i don't even have that channel on my list

[fading cape]

my party finder is 2 orange shirt people so looks like your OS or a discord specific update?

[bleak gazelle]

mine looks the same apparently, also on desktop

[solar seal]

ok... so i might not be crazy

[junior dune]

I also wondered if I was crazy a few days ago so it might have changed

[wanton obsidian]

I finished construction obols

[safe flame]

is wormhole affected by midas minded?

[wanton obsidian]

Yes

[wanton obsidian]

What

[solar seal]

just to make sure you know, they only work while active. so conflicts with wanting to wear DR obols on a DK

[wanton obsidian]

I thought U can snapshot it

[paper sail]

I thought we were telling you to get Family Obols too, but I think instead kaito is learning something

[solar seal]

if you can, then that's news to me. learn something new everyday

[paper sail]

You can indeed snapshot Cons obols

[solar seal]

even with obol changes, i won't ever remember to do that so :x

[paper sail]

RIP Construction gains

I've set mine up to be pretty darn easy, just muscle memory now

1. Put active character on the map they're going to farm
2. Swap to backup DK wearing cons obols
3. Swap back to active character. Done.

[wanton obsidian]

Best ring for skilling?

[paper sail]

Serrated Rex Rings still win on every skill except Cooking

[wanton obsidian]

But 4 afk rate :<

[bleak gazelle]

is this fr fr? IT displays new buildrate as soon as you change characters

[wanton obsidian]

You have to look at the cog board

[paper sail]

Yes, that is for real.

[wanton obsidian]

Then once you snapshot don't look at the cog board if not it'll change back to normal

[paper sail]

You don't need to look at the cogboard for the snapshot to work

[wanton obsidian]

Hm I see

Just tested it

It doesn't work?

[bleak gazelle]

Think you need to if you had the old build rate

[wanton obsidian]

It only changes once you look at cog board

@paper sail

[bleak gazelle]

But now I'm noticing inconsistencies, b/c i'm pretty sure we tested this a few weeks ago when X was around and I swore my build speed dropped in IT as soon as i just got onto a different alt

but seems like that's not the case now

IT trolling me backwards this time

[paper sail]

I'm telling you.. You're wrong.

[wanton obsidian]

Then why does it work this way then?

I'm literally witnessing it

[paper sail]

Because you're testing at the wrong point 🤦

[wanton obsidian]

Wdym?

[paper sail]

Quick demo

Active character, no snap

DK sure is pretty

[bleak gazelle]

okay, i changed maps a few times and IT is back to showing my old build rate

[paper sail]

Wow, big BR

[bleak gazelle]

Also strange, because mine doesn't change unless I go into the cog board, too

[wanton obsidian]

See?

I told you

[bleak gazelle]

But now that I'm back on my other character it's kept the same rate...which is normally hasn't

[paper sail]

Idk what you're managing to do wrong here 😅 This has worked without cog board for the last year and a half

[bleak gazelle]

ah, but if i change maps it changes. so i guess that's the key, which is why you didn't do it until you were on the map

[junior dune]

I also have to enter cog board

[paper sail]

Correct. Changing maps breaks the snap

[wanton obsidian]

I'm glad I'm not the only one

[bleak gazelle]

i wonder if going into gemshop breaks it

[paper sail]

Yes, that counts as a map refresh

I'd like to see a video of it not working

[wanton obsidian]

I do it like this

[paper sail]

Those are not the steps I said to do..

[bleak gazelle]

what do the cool people use to clip on desktop

[wanton obsidian]

Maybe there are multiple ways to snapshot?

[paper sail]

Snapshotting as an entire concept works because certain values are only checked when you enter the map or do a specific action. Cons obols are checked when you enter the map or when you enter the cog board

You equipped the obols after entering the map, so yes, you would need to enter the cog board or gem shop to actually get the benefit

[wanton obsidian]

Can you show me how you do it

[paper sail]

As I said earlier:

1. Put active character on the map they're going to farm
2. Swap to backup DK wearing cons obols
3. Swap back to active character. Done.

[solar seal]

🗒️ scribbles it all down

[wanton obsidian]

But my method seems easier is it not?

You just swap and look at the cog board instead of changing map

[paper sail]

Guess that's up to you decide. I never have to worry about forgetting to swap obols back 🤷

[wanton obsidian]

I see

[solar seal]

seeing scoli not have to swap obols, i might ahve to set this up now... despairs

[bleak gazelle]

Okay, managed to recreate Scoli's, key difference is that DK and other character are on different maps. I hate this game sometimes

nevermind, worked on same map too

why is it different this time

[paper sail]

Snapshotting as a whole is a bug honestly, so.. Don't try to apply too much logic to it

[bleak gazelle]

so anyway, whole point of this is that one set of cons obols is still good

thanks for putting up with us

[paper sail]

Correct. Very good 😄

[solar seal]

yea, thanks for enlightning us :3

[wanton obsidian]

It also increases construction xp as well which is the most important part

[solar seal]

thinks back to set of silver construction obols he got rid of just last week to make space

at least they drop easily

[wanton obsidian]

Tru

[paper sail]

I even snapshot family set for overnights lol

[solar seal]

ok that, i will def not do

[paper sail]

It isn't so bad to do once a day

[solar seal]

maybe in the future i'll set aside space for that

[wanton obsidian]

If I had enough obol space for that I would

[solar seal]

i fear the day "obol setups" get added to autoreview-kun

[paper sail]

They're 11th in the backlog right now, ha

[solar seal]

oh nooo

[paper sail]

..man I came to discord an hour ago to find profiles to snoop and absolutely did not do that

[wanton obsidian]

Why are you stalking

[solar seal]

what kind of profiles?

[paper sail]

Making the Sailing section now. Trying to judge progress for a new account that wasn't already maxed before Eldritch and Sovereign artifacts became available

One only I've found so far only has Base Fury Relic and they're beyond the first multi-character lock at Woodlins That seems so sad

[solar seal]

i've seen plenty of people here posting profiles with full range of no, base, ancient, and eldritch artifacts

[bleak gazelle]

here's one that was posted earlier today if you're looking for new accounts with just a bit of sailing progress https://marpad.idleonefficiency.com/

[solar seal]

i can also pull some accounts if you need, but most crossing into w6 threshold seem to be only a few islands past fury with it either at base or ancient depending on their luck

[lethal aspen]

look for accounts asking for kruk

those are usually pretty scuffed after they candied it all

[paper sail]

Yeah, map progress is way ahead of sailing progress

They're not totally wrong, just reaching a new world town is super strong

[lethal aspen]

usually they burn all their acounts candies on it and get stuck immediately after though

[bleak gazelle]

love the whale accounts that come through

[solar seal]

its a balance. don't envy you setting the thresholds on autoreview cause i know lots will get dinged as early world __ for low progress

[crimson thistle]

the w6 stat check hits hard

[paper sail]

Worse things they could do, honest. Think about how silly strong the first day of W6 release was

[lethal aspen]

at least w6 is non-interactive

w5 unlock was basically the exact opposite 😅

[paper sail]

Day 1 of W5 is still pretty strong

Depending on your luck rolling Divinities, of course

Even just 30% AFK from Snake is quite nice, considering many accounts get to W5 town with less than 100% afk

[crimson thistle]

i wish the ingame achievments had a timestamp for when they were completed

[worldly lagoon]

i wish i could just put a timestamp next to all the "beat lava in skilling minigame" achievements to just say "never" so i stop trying

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, see how long it took me to roll some of these divinities

granted, back then it was all "everyone on mantra asap" instead of "roll your fucking gods asap"

[paper sail]

Alright, got a few benchmarks for W5 and the start of W6. Time to go snoop in #endgame-chat-w7🐟 🫡

[lethal aspen]

now yes ,but back when w5 came out not so much 😅

and no ES/DK/SB to make it easier

i miss esc'ing in sailing

[paper sail]

Right. I try to set AutoReview tiers based on new accounts coming through, not anyone that was there day1

[lethal aspen]

Yeah i'm just saying in hindsight

[crimson thistle]

https://jetsow.idleonefficiency.com roast.

[paper sail]

[lethal aspen]

idk how you even rank sailing now

[bleak gazelle]

not quite as good as 2nd es gains, but that's to be expected since idk how many levels he had last time i sampled

[lethal aspen]

too much changed

[paper sail]

Stalk new profiles and guesstimate

[lethal aspen]

thinking now that beanstalk hampters are a thing that sailing probably isnt as necessary til then, idk tho

[paper sail]

It is looking pretty sad honestly

Too much getting squished too late into too few of categories

[lethal aspen]

Yeah doesn’t help it’s a w5 skill so there’s not much you can split by

[paper sail]

The multi-character locks at least are a huge blocker for rushing accounts

[bleak gazelle]

honestly, lab is becoming a huge block for new accounts because they don't have enough characters

so even pushing to elites is rough

[lethal aspen]

You can just candy elites tho

[wanton obsidian]

Oh yeah they nerfed the account lvl requirement for new char

[lethal aspen]

And the w5 set is available in w4 already

[paper sail]

Hadn't even thought of that. I remember I sat in lab until I could just barely reach Killer's Brightside with all-but-1 character, then set that 1 character AFK to go become Elite

[true oasis]

And who has that much candy that early

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, some of these folks rolling in with 5-6 characters and i'm like. have fun

[crimson thistle]

2 months for w2->w6

[wanton obsidian]

I had lots to spare at that point

[bleak gazelle]

my bloach print is bad
okay, go work on skilling but keep people in lab for bonuses
I won't reach 2x prints with someone out

[true oasis]

[wanton obsidian]

Honestly lava should lower the early lvls for lab

[paper sail]

At least you can use Pearls on lab levels

[terse verge]

Naww lab/div is a good stop and think to make people work on their accounts

[lethal aspen]

But that needs w5 first checkmate

[crimson thistle]

i think less characters early is good to not confuse or overwhelm newer players

[terse verge]

So many only know 1 track focus of push portals

[lethal aspen]

How much is 6/7 chars again?

[paper sail]

You don't need W5 for Black Pearls and Balloons

[lethal aspen]

Which is like the baseline for the game imo

[lethal aspen]

Oh right those. Can you balloon lab tho?

[paper sail]

Not sure. I know you can use Pearls for sure, tried that on my alt. I didn't try ballooning

[lethal aspen]

84 ave sounds ok if people know rams exist

Much doubt though

[bleak gazelle]

can't balloon unless i'm dumb

[paper sail]

Shame. Wouldn't be so bad if you could balloon the first 5 levels right off the bat

[lethal aspen]

Cant candy it anymore either

[paper sail]

That was hotfixed very early on w5 release, day1 lol

[true oasis]

You could candy lab ??

[lethal aspen]

Goat when vroom back then

[bleak gazelle]

gdi, i don't have the last logs unlocked

why am i even sampling

[lethal aspen]

Gopush

What do people do with their afk chars pre w4 now anyway?

[bleak gazelle]

level skills like they always did

[paper sail]

How's your sailing look 👀

[bleak gazelle]

think i'm all eldritch except last two? no sov/3 lanterns unlocked yet

[lethal aspen]

How close to sov?

[bleak gazelle]

not

[lethal aspen]

Sneaking got buffed and then buffed again

[paper sail]

That's a huge jump up from where I estimated Mid W6

[lethal aspen]

You probably need to use rift as a good indicator in w6

[uncut knot]

how do ppl get statue vial to 100% double chance??

[bleak gazelle]

my account's always been a bit weird due to a 2 year break, spending a lot of time in discord then another 4 month break and a buying a lot of bundles

[eternal wasp]

Vial mastery

[paper sail]

Rift Vial Mastery. Having 27 maxed vials puts it over 100%

[bleak gazelle]

27 maxed vials with vial mastery

[bleak gazelle]

I play pretty unefficienctly though

[uncut knot]

oh right okay, thx. that will be a ways away until super chow rift

[bleak gazelle]

go for both imo

the benefit of a single super chow doesn't outweigh most (any?) rift bonus

[uncut knot]

hmm okay

[lethal aspen]

Schow rift can be done anytime with patience

I did mine on the very last rift

[bleak gazelle]

I know a number of us have mentioned to try and get it before you push too high, but honestly, the bonuses are just too good and your damage will scale pretty crazily

[paper sail]

The sweetspot I'm finding when people ask is when the next Rift upgrade is Cons mastery

[crimson thistle]

do these work when the bubo isnt in lab? guessing not

[bleak gazelle]

I think right after skill mastery is a good spot, too

[solar seal]

right after skill mastery should be at least zow + chow

[bleak gazelle]

fair enough

[paper sail]

They're based on where the Bubo's head is in the mainframe. Works even if they're disconnected

[crimson thistle]

preesh

[paper sail]

True. Eclipse Skulls are too early for a new account to really make use of them for a long time

[bleak gazelle]

i still only have gmush eclipsed, i think

[uncut knot]

i'm at 50m rn so only another 50m more but so lazy lol

[bleak gazelle]

you'll have plenty of 5m afk tasks in the future

[lethal aspen]

Kph?

[solar seal]

me too :3

[uncut knot]

300kph

300k*

[lethal aspen]

Multikill?

[uncut knot]

1240%

[solar seal]

casual 150 more hours :3

[lethal aspen]

I wouldn’t try without at least 1mph but just me

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, i did mine over like 10 days or something and now realize that was dumb

[uncut knot]

7 straight days of afk otherwise lol

[bleak gazelle]

but it is what is is

[uncut knot]

stupid q, candy works for this or nah?

[solar seal]

no candy in rift

[bleak gazelle]

forgot star signs, a tiny bit better

[solar seal]

the adventures of acecow and the weeklong resample

[bleak gazelle]

i've literally only done one person tonight

https://tenor.com/view/joe-exotic-tiger-king-never-recover-financially-broke-gif-16765645

[simple wadi]

Was that before or after you took a new sample?

[bleak gazelle]

i've been working on resample since tuesday i think

[stable parrot]

If I have the maoi head and the xp thing from jade emporium do I get xp for shrines on all worlds or only the worlds I have them on

[bleak gazelle]

that's not quite what the jade emporium upgrade does

There's a handy infographic in second push pin to show how lab bonus and moai artifact works though

Jade emp prevents xp loss when moving

like for that dumb yondergreen quest

[stable parrot]

So I gotta move these puppies around when I claim my afk gainsfor the hours

[bleak gazelle]

only if you're afk in different worlds than where the shrine is (assuming you put them in town)

[stable parrot]

thats obnoxious

[worldly lagoon]

i moved my shrines when w6 came out before i knew this was a thing

[bleak gazelle]

rip

i never had more than one person pushing in w6 so they've just lived in w4 town for almost a year

[worldly lagoon]

mine are in w1 town until i... eradicate the population of green mushrooms on this game

[bleak gazelle]

lul

[worldly lagoon]

there will be no survivors

[bleak gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/murderer-gollum-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-gif-17217451

[worldly lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/war-crimes-i-want-to-commit-war-crimes-minions-cheering-gif-17479160

[crimson thistle]

soonish

[hybrid halo]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[worldly lagoon]

im tryinggg

[wanton obsidian]

Anyone knows what's the threshold for top 25% tome

[junior dune]

It's on the tome page on IT nowadays

[strong shale]

🇳 ugget

[junior dune]

I wonder how far I will go in W6 TD. Started a bit under 20 min ago and am already near the end of wave 110. I've been shreading them quite quickly. Most of my towers are lvl 74

[pure ether]

can someone help me with the peak gaming quest?

[junior dune]

140 is what I'm hoping for

120 was also very comfortable, but now I have two 13B bosses where I can't see the health bar half of the time

I guess it's time to go and do the dishes

Oh I'm in w5 chat. I guess this isn't the most suitable place

[lethal stump]

does slab gives any boost?

[still apex]

Yes, they all need their respective artifacts though

[rich swallow]

Yo am new to W5 and been sitting on divinity for like a week and only got level 15 on all char and goat will be next god but am getting bored of it

So what can i do with my chars 🙂

Like push W5? Or just stay in Divinity hell till goat and after that Lab hell

But how much should i level all my char in lab

[sterile bison]

I’d try to hit 75 in lab levels if you can whether or not you take a guy to push us kinda up to you. I’m impatient so I always had at least a guy pushing

[dawn iris]

What class is best for getting rare drops afk? don't wanna wait for my ES to get 20k statues

[sterile bison]

Highest DR character with the highest kph, but it will be like 100x slower than active es also any that drop from Crystal mobs won’t be doable afk

[dawn iris]

Crystal drops feel so much faster than ES

im only halfway

[sterile bison]

Yeah the ES ones take a bit for sure

[dawn iris]

got like 4k hours of candy to use for it

[sterile bison]

Good luck! Definitely check to see how many per hour though cause it’s often only a handful

[dawn iris]

I get like 15 from my ES so will have to see

[sterile bison]

That seems kinda low but I was pretty far in when I did mine just make sure to max drop rate!

[junior dune]

ES statues don't have to be that much worse than the others anymore. Do them last when you have way more damage and make sure to book a bunch of ES talents. Getting 200+ wormhole scores is viable. You can get 20k statues in two days now in like mid w6 with some optimization

[dawn iris]

Well, 15 per hour when afk

I think it would take me another 22 hours to active with ES

[junior dune]

Sounds comparable to getting w6 crystal statues then?

[dawn iris]

Havent tried those yet

[junior dune]

I would do those first. W3 statues are both hardest to get and worst. Construction xp stacks with cogs so gets drowned out and trapping/worship scales poorly with efficiency base critters/food effect is the main way to improve those skills

[dawn iris]

Ill just see how much i get from candy first

[rich swallow]

Tysm 🙂

[junior dune]

Make sure to optimize respawn and afk gains as well. That along with dr are the ways to improve afk gains for rare drops

[dawn iris]

if only multikill worked

[junior dune]

That was the original intention but Lava messed it up and now it is too late to fix

[dawn iris]

ok, get about 20 statues per hour afk now

[terse verge]

Trialpears did warn ya that candy is much slower, its called “activeon” for a reason :3

[dawn iris]

i have enough

[sterile bison]

Make sure when using them to occasionally clear out your anvil production and use your worship charges

[dawn iris]

Not sure whether i will actually do penguins or quenchies since they do have vials

[gilded sedge]

U should gstack em fr fr ong

[fiery wagon]

Should I ideally be unlocking equinox during my w5 push? Currently on citringes with 27m damage and only care about getting to w6 asap ( ES btw )

[solar seal]

if you have 27M, i'd just candy to end. you can likely kill kruk today

[fiery wagon]

Oh yeah I didn't see you don't even need to do the last absurdly big portals thanks 🙂

I'll respec into full AFK gains and see how far I can get but should be okayish

[swift pecan]

9.3m to 10.6m nugget upgrade hurts

[bleak gazelle]

i went from 841k to 849k 🙃

[simple wadi]

I went from 500k to 1.3m but that was when equinox first came out

[fiery wagon]

Okay amigos Im ready to fight kruk 🗿 Do I just take out portal from the normal active ES setup and literally just AFK?

[bright meteor]

hit w5 wave 140 but could've done more I think I just fell asleep...

[junior dune]

Nice! I think that's the same as me. I'm currently attempting wave 200 on the first one. I'm unsure if I have the damage though

It's been going on for a long time

[jagged scroll]

@bobross962 don't forget about worship buildup too

[main kettle]

what pendant should I start using then amarok’s? W5

[junior dune]

The recipe comes from W3 tasks

[main kettle]

okay

[hoary oracle]

ye chiz scarf is good

[junior dune]

It's quite easy to get and will be upgraded into the best scarf in the game eventually

[hoary oracle]

for chiz blanket which difuculty is best?

[junior dune]

On a per key basis normal is always best since you get a ton back. The chaotic chizoar card is great though, so if you don't have that at 4 stars I would recommend that

Also for some reason the requirements for that card is quite low

[brazen wharf]

I have an issue where I can't get a crafting recipe, it's the one for the tier 5 gloves and I accidentally used it before unlocking w5 crafting and it hasn't dropped since so i still cant craft it, am I just screwed or is there a way to fix it

[hoary oracle]

that was easy lol

[fiery wagon]

43 days not too bad 🗿

[bleak gazelle]

today's pristine charm buy

[bleak gazelle]

Grats! Make sure you check out ths 2nd 📌 in #endgame-chat-w7🐟 or just go straight to #1208108939313684621

[bright meteor]

how long did it take

[fiery wagon]

Will do thanks 🙂

[junior dune]

Let's just say that I'm very worried about the 9999 second limit right now

[bright meteor]

never seen the timer it means I was always in time or just lost before

[junior dune]

I did W6 Td before this but those together has been 7 hours 7 minutes according to my afk time on other characters

[main kettle]

10 chiz and no blaneky 😞

[bright meteor]

it's a shame I accidentally used all the charges

dk clams for w4 statues rn

6k more

[hoary oracle]

its 1 -1000 chance so its okay. just keep trying and saving keys

[main kettle]

I tried 14 Cchiz and no blankey either

Can’t even get it as a 375 chance

[hoary oracle]

chaotic chiz blanket is the last of the 5 unlocks for chiz armor in w3 tasks right?

[junior dune]

You get three drop chances from bosses so the real probability would be 1 in 333 divided by your drop rate

[main kettle]

3.36x

[junior dune]

About a percent per boss then

[main kettle]

Gotta get my drop chance high y then

[hoary oracle]

now you feel the pain of drop chances. some times youl spend weeks grinding to find rare items and it sucks :((((

[junior dune]

When farming nightmare chizoar cards I had the issue of my inventory filling up with blankies. It will get better

rip

[main kettle]

Damn.

[hoary oracle]

ye since im guessing you have really high drop rate your probably getting a blankie almost every round

[junior dune]

I won't be able to do 1T damage a minute...

My last almost 3 hours were wasted

[bleak gazelle]

one of the many reasons TD in this game sucks

[junior dune]

If I was better at TD I could have made it work, but I guess not this time

At least I won't have to revisit it until I can do wave 210 and that is some real end game shit

[bleak gazelle]

oh, was my sailing loot info useful last night or do you want me to update IT again?

[junior dune]

Honestly I got quite sidetracked and it isn't nearly done, but your data is working well

[bleak gazelle]

Well, here's an updated toolbox if you want, anyway https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=Acecow

[hoary oracle]

im bored anyone wanna have me check their ie?

[bleak gazelle]

i just posted my toolbox

[teal brook]

is it a good idea to make 1 set oif chizo for warrior , mages , archers so i can have good armor on 1 at a time while i push for troll?

[bleak gazelle]

If you've got the mats, sure, just make sure you don't salt lock yourself

[junior dune]

I'm a lot more salt restricted than most and would thus say no imo

[bleak gazelle]

get some more omni procs man

[teal brook]

so dementia for all ig and chill?

[bleak gazelle]

man, seeing nuggets below 1k again is depressing

[junior dune]

They won't be used in recipes for later armor and it isn't that much better than dementia or void.

[junior dune]

That's what I did

[bleak gazelle]

helmet is pretty great though

[junior dune]

I'm quite seriously considering this by now

[teal brook]

what is omni procs?

[bleak gazelle]

i had 5 of my lab folks (aka non-ES) on Omni and it really speeds things up

Way better than squire talent since it's based off of hours instead of cycle count

[teal brook]

so get doot is the play hmm

[bleak gazelle]

or higher level div and you can swap people over

[teal brook]

what?

[junior dune]

6 characters on omni would mean double speed refinery? That isn't the worst idea for me tbh

[bleak gazelle]

I'm at 90-110 div on my characters and just rolling for god ranks, so I don't care about points too much

[junior dune]

Sailing gaming and cooking procs are worthless though

[bleak gazelle]

minors are at ~80% max listed bonus of wiki

printer procs too

[teal brook]

dont it speed cook time or give saoiling and gaming progress tho?

[jade star]

Oooo, got 100% unlock chance for the 3rd god

[junior dune]

Cooking you get all the speed from ladles, I'm almost at insta gaming and I have all sailing artifacts

I couldn't care less about those

[teal brook]

for me it whould be very good for progress

[twilit oyster]

3 hour countdown

[junior dune]

Printer is also significantly worse as a percentage because of printer go brr. On average I should get like a day and a half of progress from that skill per day making the printer procs about half as good as you would expect

[junior dune]

I'll share my newly created sheet which you may want to use in a bit over 3 hours. Feel free to ping me with feedback if you decide to use it. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dRFrReLJZvwOJLmal7Kak72LlUODQhWSdKHhFIm5vxs/edit

[twilit oyster]

will do

[short sparrow]

Uggghh I have to kill chaotic kruk with vman, he only has 3b dmg

[junior dune]

Do you have looty booty on per chance?

Removing that could 10x your damage if you have a high enough lvl keeping you down

Still seems quite low

[halcyon shoal]

Also midas mind can hinder you if you can't 1 shot those moles with it on

[junior dune]

Drop rate obols are essentially vman stat obols as well so make sure to equip those

[pure ether]

Whats your damage?

[fiery wagon]

Got up to 34m in full DPS cards

[fast wolf]

How much dmg do j need for chaotic kruk on ES

[bleak gazelle]

cKruk has 25x hp, so probably in the range 3b should be fine

if you're going for the 30s merit (is that chaotic? idr)

should be fine with much less if you just need to kill

[fast wolf]

I do 200m so I'm a long way away

[blissful hound]

any tips on how to increase my damage on vman

[vapid reef]

how come i keep dying to trmor worm

[bleak gazelle]

crystals probably

if you have mk prayer on that reduces defense make sure you take it off

[bleak gazelle]

give it a try and see how long it takes that should give you a damage target to go for

[fast wolf]

I was never gonna kill it I was just asking

I don't even have the keys for it

[bleak gazelle]

besides general account progress, a lot of vman damage comes from his skill levels through this Tab 3 talent

[blissful hound]

okay, thank you so much