lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[upper trout]

Show your skill mastery progress

[strong shale]

after thjs leahuie game

league

[upper trout]

I'm guessing your cooking is below hundred

[strong shale]

no its like 220

[upper trout]

Good so you didn't slacked on that

Unless your bb is attached to the kitchen for eternity

[strong shale]

it is but i got cooking on some other chars too

[upper trout]

Don't forget to Show the mastery skills

[teal brook]

if i got goat god should i throw everyone on mantra and in lab to skill up quicker or try to get the elephant and purrmep god `?

[hexed pine]

yes

[cyan mantle]

Leo how tall are you little man

[upper trout]

If you're divinity skills are high enough

[hexed pine]

didn't i told you already

[cyan mantle]

No

[hexed pine]

nah i did

you were there too

[cyan mantle]

No u didn't

[hexed pine]

and 3 or 4 other ppl

[cyan mantle]

You just tryna hide the fact u 4,6

[hexed pine]

well if u say im 4 6 then i am

[stable whale]

I swear to god I'm doing breeding wrong
I feel hard stuck lol

[strong shale]

@upper trout

My w1-2 skills im working on slowly w/ the sailing artifact that gives eff

Gotta get their cards plat first

[worldly lagoon]

oh hey my construction broke 10k

[upper trout]

You're not the only one
It's because we don't main BM

[stable whale]

If only

[upper trout]

You're cooking is still the lowest
Al you know what to do

[hidden iris]

What is the Best class to beat kruk

[pastel heath]

i would say Bubo or DK

[junior dune]

Probably ES or DK

[pastel heath]

depends on your dmg tho if you can 1shot the mole with the abilities

[junior dune]

Bubo is fine, but you will likely need a bit more sheet damage then

[upper trout]

Es is faster

[junior dune]

It is easier to get stamps than refinery ranks for the damage increasing talent and chainbolt has the best damage multiplier of any talent so I'm inclined to agree

[upper trout]

Can anyone help on door raid

[junior dune]

It depends on your circumstances though, you may have focused significantly more on one of them

[upper trout]

Doot raid anyone

Warrior in cake 11

Refineries are easy af
You just need to be lazy when extracting salts

[sinful aurora]

Refinery ranks go brrr

[junior dune]

Not before beating kruk

[zinc torrent]

Uhhh just got to world 5 wa to do now

Like 10min ago

[junior dune]

Check out the pins. The second to the top is a nice intro

[pastel heath]

divinity jail

[worldly lagoon]

get doot make w5 ez

[pastel heath]

still need div lvl

and unlocking purpmep

[worldly lagoon]

yeah but with doot u can just do lab instead and lvl both

[pastel heath]

still jail

[worldly lagoon]

it's like jail with a pool

[pastel heath]

nah jail is jail

[zinc torrent]

So all ppl into div

[upper trout]

Better than lab jail

[pastel heath]

do the quest first and begin sailling and gaming

then maybe put 1 person to pushing the maps and rest to divinity

[upper trout]

Expect your pusher

[crimson thistle]

chakra or mantra for div exp?

[rose yacht]

it literally tells u which one gives more exp

[pastel heath]

this chat room kinda dies really quick

[whole slate]

very

[vapid reef]

1 star, game sucks! << an1 can help with this?

[empty glade]

is there a list of all the things that affect artifact find chance?

[zinc torrent]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=artifact find

[empty glade]

thank you

[simple wadi]

I forget, is this a trick skill that actually hurts your skill leveling?

[fresh fox]

I am curious too, is that -% skill efficiency additive or multiplicative?

[simple wadi]

Very likely additive for both.

Most modifiers in the game are unless it states otherwise.

[fresh fox]

I don't think it'd hurt you then

unless you are very low on success %

[fresh fox]

total damage is multiplicative right? how does it state otherwise? is it when the tooltip shows "multiplication" at the top? like on "precision power"

[simple wadi]

Lava will usually state the modifier is multiplicative in the tooltip. He'll say things like, "and this is multiplicative, so it's always useful!"

[fresh fox]

what about this one? is that at the top just referring to refinery rank x talent value?

[simple wadi]

I believe this is just him saying "Multiplication" because he's doing the math for you and showing it.

[fresh fox]

got it

if you discover a new divine in divinity, it's available for all your characters?

[simple wadi]

Take everything I say with a hefty grain of salt because I don't min-max my account and don't pay attention to the internal algorithms.

Yes

[fresh fox]

ty

[fresh fox]

understood.

[simple wadi]

Yeah went from 209m exp per hour to 257m exp per hour. Not a big jump, but something.

[fresh fox]

this might be a question that you don't know the answer to then but I will ask it just in case. "Total Damage" is just a separate multiplier that stacks additively with eachother? with the exception being the alch bubbles?

[fresh fox]

decent enough

what resource was that on? and what was your %success chance or resource qty?

[simple wadi]

Godshard ore. And I didn't look at resource quantity because all I care about is the exp for vman.

[fresh fox]

right, but don't you get more xp if you get multiples of that resource? I am not even close to godshard so idk if it's unreasonable for that number to change at all

[simple wadi]

Right, which is why I wondered about that skill. If it takes your efficiency down so much that it hurts your multi-skill gains more than the exp modifier helps, it becomes a trick skill that hurts you to use.

Lava likes to sneak skills like that in.

[fresh fox]

yee

I think it's interesting you didn't look at the resource quantity then tho because that could give you additional info

[simple wadi]

That would have been reflected in exp per hour

[fresh fox]

Correct, however if you don't lose enough efficiency for you to lose a resource quantity then you would always just gain more xp, wouldn't you?

I was just wondering if you lost a resource quantity and still went up in xp.

[simple wadi]

Which would be reflected in the exp per hour, which is what I was looking at.

[vocal stump]

It usually loses me some xp, although it's great for leveling fishing and trapping

[simple wadi]

You're right, I didn't look if I had gone down a multi-skill tier. 🤔

[fresh fox]

Yeah, that's what I meant, let me know if you did. I am curious

[stable whale]

I think it works for Worship too

[bleak gazelle]

yesssss, finally

[simple wadi]

I think I did that one by accident when it first came out, lol

[bleak gazelle]

i kept meaning to do it but forgot

thankfully w6 maps came out

we'll uhh, get some eventually

[lethal aspen]

its still a trick, its multiplicative reduction

multi-skills also don't give extra xp past 100% base chance (Fishing might be weird tho, i know it can give more cards)

[oblique zinc]

Where is blobby g

[still apex]

Right beside the loot pile. If he's not there with the artifact, reload the map

[brazen cliff]

just asking how much dmg shold i have to do nightmare difficulty Kattlekruk

[solar seal]

whatever million you had killing normal kruk, change that to billion and should be enough for nightmare

[spice meadow]

Impossibible

[brazen cliff]

i didnt have milions i had Bilions already

rn i have avrg 50B dmg

and i wana do the final chall for the scarf but dont know if i can

[still apex]

For reference nm kruk has 1 quadrillion health work with your damage from there

[ruby barn]

Bilions when you killed kruk for the first time?

[solar seal]

see 📌 for vman, requires closer to 80-100B to make it easier - otherwise most should do at 50-80B easily

[still apex]

Billions per hit i presume, not sheet damage

[brazen cliff]

yup

i think it was like 12-20b it said on stats

well 12000m-20000m

[solar seal]

how have you only gained 30B more damage in w6?

if you started at B, you should be in T by now

[brazen cliff]

idk tbh idk what i am even doing

i gain dmg so slowly still finishing off troll armor and i have avg 6k main stat on all chars

[bleak gazelle]

time to pump them numbers

[upper trout]

6k main stat is even decent?

usually you're supposed to be around 10k

[simple wadi]

"Welcome to Pimp My Numbers with Kaito and Acecow."

[ruby barn]

How 😭

[upper trout]

Need that trillion dmg

Base trillion dmg is the way

[brazen cliff]

idk it just is

[upper trout]

Show the DMG

[solar seal]

not saying you are quoting your numbers wrong, but there's something wonky with your account. likely missing big amounts of power in alchemy or something similar cause you did something right (i'd think) to have 10B+ on normal kruk... but something went haywire between that and now where you've gained so little with introduction of whole new world, that has up to 30x damage alone from 1 skill

[brazen cliff]

here

[bleak gazelle]

that was too annoying

[solar seal]

can you make your !IE or !IT public and share a link?

[solar seal]

i caught it :3

[brazen cliff]

idk how to do that

[bleak gazelle]

why can't i find the one i want

[brazen cliff]

oh here

https://thatsmain.idleonefficiency.com

[ruby barn]

I had like 40M dmg on normal kruk lol

But now I have 1.2B

[bleak gazelle]

i had 100m but i had also gotten to kruk before w6 came out and just never killed him

then took another break

[solar seal]

holy you've pushed to leeks on just B damage?

[brazen cliff]

yes ?

😛

is that bad

[solar seal]

i won't ask how many hours that was

[brazen cliff]

idk i just tune in evere ycupple of days

[simple wadi]

I did drop down one tier. Was getting 2x godshard ore, and was getting 1x after using the skill.

[bleak gazelle]

pump these to like 200 at least. fix your prints to feed them. should be a good boost

[brazen cliff]

dam tought those wore atlest 120 :/

tought they lvlup by their own

[solar seal]

not going to review your account, but you are 1000% positive you were 20B on normal kruk? cause these skills wouldn't support that

[simple wadi]

Also, Kanna said that the skill exp modifier is additive, but the efficiency modifier is multiplicative.

[bleak gazelle]

You'll probably want to upgrade this atom, too, to allow you to boost those bubbles

[brazen cliff]

you mean for normal chars not vman yes?

[solar seal]

yes

[brazen cliff]

yeh 100%

i think max i ahd was 17b

before kruk

after i did it and boosted soem stamps got to 20b

thean stobed and crafted what i cold of troll

[solar seal]

you recall how long normal kruk took you?

[upper trout]

Still no trillion

Despite the gear being stacked

[brazen cliff]

yeh trillion far away

[upper trout]

I still have a long way then

[bleak gazelle]

idk if troll would be considered stacked magma is slightly better and cheaper due to no salt cost

[gentle furnace]

For trillion you need decent alchemy progress and late sailing progress

[brazen cliff]

true but rn im working on magma doing the oranges so as soon as i can finish the troll helms i can go straight to divine armour

[solar seal]

@brazen cliff mind answering this? do you remember 3-4 tapping normal kruk?

[brazen cliff]

id its been months ago

[solar seal]

fair enough

[snow dove]

Zoinks ! Finally got a lil break at work, 70h a week kinda hitting hard

[warm pike]

Honestly if you had 20B damage it would be a one shot

[snow dove]

How y'all

[bleak gazelle]

hi mel

[warm pike]

Howdy there!

[bleak gazelle]

tired af

[snow dove]

Same lol

Also i am proud to say that i am a retired whale

[bleak gazelle]

now you can be a donating whale

[snow dove]

No i retired from whaling

[lone marten]

i need more comfirmation, if i cant multikill rift is it fine for me to use nobisect? or do i keep the snake?

[snow dove]

[bleak gazelle]

how about dolphining

[snow dove]

Not even lil fishing

[snow dove]

Depends what you wanna do

[lone marten]

rift kills

[bleak gazelle]

Nobi should probably always give you more raw kills than snake

[snow dove]

Nobi

Nobi is ez x2

[upper trout]

What about onyx

[lone marten]

i see thank you

[snow dove]

Nice to have, gives you more mk later too

[upper trout]

You need every damage increase stat levelled up and stacked in all the games mechanics

[junior dune]

I mean base afk gains is like 20% for a new account. You can also but on the rucksack prayer to reduce it making it technically possible to have afk gains so low that snake should be better and even getting negative afk gains

That is just a stupid hypothetical though

[bleak gazelle]

Hey now, I did say "probably" to account for that

I would assume that most people getting to Nobi unlock would probably be in the 50-70 range of afk gains at least

[fresh fox]

and still getting more exp is impressive

[fresh fox]

oh alright, that's good to know

[tall horizon]

We're aware of the issue, please dont post images of them.

[pastel heath]

ok

btw they are promoting some stuff

thats not good or are you talking about that pose

[tall horizon]

Im aware they are promoting, Lava has been alerted.

[pastel heath]

ok thanks

[worldly lagoon]

You are promoting as well by posting pics

Which is why its against rules

[pastel heath]

nah i was talking about the position

this lmao

i think im not promoting anything with this picture

if i am then just take it down

[tall horizon]

na thats fine

as long as their name/guild/text isnt in the image its all good

[ebon helm]

do bear linked characters still get lab xp?

[bleak gazelle]

Not unless they're physically in the lab

[heavy jackal]

Only realised now ... 1 month later ...

[whole slate]

Pain

[empty glade]

any idea on why my artifact find chance is 189x eventhough i have everything and more as a friend and yet they have 400x?

[wanton obsidian]

New nugget

Old one was 50k

[dense coral]

How do you see your crystal chance?

[modest wagon]

Auto delete bad items doesn’t delete pristine charms right? I’ve easily found over 2k items and haven’t found a single one probably just unlucky

[worldly lagoon]

+1 slab

[worldly lagoon]

doesn't delete pristine charms or gems

[modest wagon]

So I’m just unlucky 💔

[worldly lagoon]

everyones unlucky

[short sparrow]

Got my first pristine charm yooo

[echo crag]

is it a usefull one ?

[short sparrow]

1.2x dmg

[echo crag]

good, you didnt end up with the +20% luck one XD

[alpine cedar]

How do i do the unlock the 1st divinity quest?

[tall horizon]

thats like 0.01x dr 😛

[echo crag]

OMG, 0.01 DR, what are we gonna do without it /s

[upper trout]

Talk to the npc

[solar seal]

unlock or complete? completing it jsut requires you to unlock the first god. i recommend reading the divinity primer (#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message) in 📌

[steep kiln]

Is there breakpoints for gaming respawn? I'm at a point where my crops are growing back really fast now unsure if I still get value in raising speed

[solar seal]

i'd refer you to @teal lynx in w6, she sort of gaming queen w/ lot of knowledge

[teal lynx]

Wait let me check

[main marsh]

saw a post from someone with lvl 565 and 0,9 minutes cycle so yeah probably

is there a way for me to boost the nugget find chance? i sucj

[solar seal]

outside of equinox bonus, i don't beleive so

[main marsh]

stuck on those fkin dungeon related clouds with quinox

[warm bough]

is ther a list of the things that affect sailing loot pile capacity? or only this

[steep kiln]

There's an achievement that I know of

[solar seal]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=loot pile

[teal lynx]

Raising speed will benefit you in 2 / 3 ways
The first one being faster cycles, this means your plants have a higher chance to evolve. So having a cycle time of 1m would more or less make your plants evolve twice as much / give you double chances
-> Higher average Chem level = More Progress skipped = More Nuts and Nuggets

There are another 2 breakpoints. The first being at 0.6m, where your plants start to spawn as T2 / T3 plants instead of T1 plants
The other being at 0.5m, where you get true "insta gaming" in W5 Town -> Check the Video that I linked

The most important benefit definitely being the higher chance to evolve plants. You can then go for T7 Plants, which will give you more bits than investing into the Squirrel could have ever gotten you - I personally went to 6x on my squirrel before going ham on speed

[warm bough]

ty

[steep kiln]

Wow thank you for the detailed response. To clarify you mean 6x bit multi on squirrel then throw rest into speed?

[teal lynx]

That's what I did

[solar seal]

this is why i'll always defer on gaming cause no way i'd be able to give you that info :3

[steep kiln]

Okay I'm pretty close to that, I'll focus on speed now that I know how big those breakpoints are. I was worried that with gaming not evolving my plants on it's own that more speed wasn't going to be worth it. But knowing they will just start at a higher tier is really good info.

[teal lynx]

Starting at a higher tier is a pretty late thing and is way past the last superbit

I will search for a pic. Gimme 1 second

[teal lynx]

There are 3 bonuses that will will help you find more nuggets. That is the 10k Fractal Island bonus, 1 bonus from stamps that you unlock in the W6 Jade emporium (idk if you are that far) and there is an arcade shop bonus that's called "nugget regen speed". It doesn't get you a higher nugget, but gives you more nuggets and therefore stucks the equinox bonus faster

[teal lynx]

This image belongs to S_lafleur. As you can see you need a lot into Squirrel and the other bonuses to get close to the T2 / T3 spawns. For me that was around the time the squirrel needed 3000 nuts per upgrade

[steep kiln]

thank you for this. I had another question, it says my cycle time is 1.9 minutes but I'm getting plans every 4 seconds or so? Is that time just not taking kitsune/squirrel into effect?

[teal lynx]

It has something to do with the farming bonus. It says "gaming evo", but it's essentially gaming speed

This is not calculated in your cycle
Kitsune and Squirrel is calculated in your cycle time

[steep kiln]

oooh this one okay that makes a bit of sense

I would have assumed this was evolution chance

[teal lynx]

That's what I also thought
As a side note: The thing on my screenshot is also speed and not "chance to evolve" as Lava calls it

[rotund rivet]

Hello, do you know where I can find the pin for tower defense in w5? i cant find it here

[teal lynx]

#endgame-gen-chat message
If you don't have access go to #👀read-me and click the Peanut

[rotund rivet]

Thank you!

[main marsh]

is there a guide for w2 dungeon?

i need it for equinox

[pastel heath]

i mean you really dont need a guide

jsut watch griffys yt vid

[main marsh]

i never did dungeons

[pastel heath]

abour dungeon and go fro the horn strat

[solar seal]

i read dungeon and though TD. wtf am i doing

[main marsh]

i got like 1500 boosted runs

[pastel heath]

just search griffys old video he explains it nicely

[solar seal]

w2 = kill stone before you do any task, you need at least a plat+ axe for mining in case you get that event

[pastel heath]

i did w2 and w3 first try when i tries

[main marsh]

how long will it take to reach the 3rd boss btw

[pastel heath]

about 10min

[main marsh]

use dk?

[pastel heath]

maybe less

[main marsh]

ok i on it

[pastel heath]

btw what dungeon rank are you

if you arent rank 35 or 40 idk remember which one it will be hard for you

[main marsh]

37

[pastel heath]

bcs you need that one perk which gives you 1 epic rng drop on start

[main marsh]

those boosted runs lol

[pastel heath]

and then chose the coin flip and pray for legendary

do you have the horn of the foal

as an RNG option

[main marsh]

yep

[solar seal]

not 40 so no guaranteed coin flip at start

[pastel heath]

rip

[solar seal]

w2 really is not too difficult, you don't need horn - it'll just make it go faster since there's no time limit. just make sure to kill the stones, particularly the first one - don't go straight into portal when you first enter. walk up and around to hit stone on far right side

[pastel heath]

how did yall do your w3 statues candy or active?

[subtle abyss]

ES active

[solar seal]

haven't done mine yet, but i'll be doing ES active

[pastel heath]

i feel like Dk would be better no?

on some maps

[solar seal]

statues are on page 1 of mob drops, its not a crystal drop - why ES is better

[pastel heath]

ok what about W6

[solar seal]

w6 is dk ofc

[pastel heath]

i need those stealth statues

[solar seal]

w3 is the anomaly among statues

[pastel heath]

yea i figured

[strong ruin]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[pastel heath]

💀

thats the answer

[main marsh]

are the stages supposed to be same as in his video? coz they arent for me

also after i killed the crab i cant destroy the stone... am i supposed to destroy the sone first?

[pastel heath]

they are random

[pastel heath]

always destroy stone first

you just need some practice

after like 3-4 runs you shoul get it

[main marsh]

ok

lol i suck 😄 4th stage froger out of the question as well... other options are 100k ladles (lol) 48 ulticogs or mmaxing flurbo upgrades...

[pliant warren]

As I use then I seem to just get more. This is getting rather tiresome.

[elfin cypress]

Does the +15% artifact find chance constellation stack with all characters that are aligned?

[steep kiln]

It only matters when you go and check sailing if the active character has it on or not

[fallow aurora]

harvest all of them at once and u will be done with it

[pliant warren]

I mean, yes, I could do that, but it would bother be for being so wasteful.

[bleak gazelle]

Check out 2nd pin for a link to the divinity primer. I wouldn't swap to mantra until you've unlocked goat (and honestly purrmep). Divinty levels are important, but blessings are more so (unless you've got doot

[solar flame]

how "scaled" is this scaled skill efficiency

[bleak gazelle]

it scales inversely with your skill efficiency. so the weaker you are, the stronger the blessing is (levels in the blessing also improve strength). I'm unsure what skill it chooses to display the efficiency when you click on it though

[solar flame]

whats this useful for then?

[deft frigate]

How do you unlock new sailing captains?

[solar flame]

i think you buy them

over here

you cant buy unless you have an open slot here though

[deft frigate]

So does the 4th pedestal unlock the green captain?

[solar flame]

i thought it was just luck based

but im assuming 4th pillar has best odds?

[bleak gazelle]

all luck afaik

[simple wadi]

They're all the same.

[deft frigate]

I see, I assumed you needed to unlock them.

[simple wadi]

Coincidentally, the second pillar has been good to me. It's all RNG.

[solar flame]

is there a table of % chances for each tier of captain?

[teal lynx]

Anyone of you pretty new to W5?

[fiery wagon]

I am like 5 days in 🗿

[solar flame]

same

just trying to get my divinity up 😭

[worldly lagoon]

me me

[teal lynx]

That could be good enough. Can you guys go into the gaming screen and tell me / show me how much time that middle upgrade says?

It will be hours for you guys

[fiery wagon]

Yea its like 4 hours 💀 in a dungeon rn

[teal lynx]

Thanks guys
Currently trying to figure out at how much it starts. Seems to start at roughly 8 hours?

[solar flame]

i believe its 10

[hoary oracle]

So close!

[solar flame]

around 10 hours i remember trying to get it down to 8 so i could use fertilizer more effectively

[teal lynx]

That's good to know. Thank you

[hoary oracle]

another milestone down! ✅ ✏️ only 30-35 more milestones to go!

That fun hippotae really helped

[edgy breach]

For sailing, should I focus to go to islands that are within my min distance or go right away for unlocking new islands?

[fiery wagon]

if you still care

[hollow lodge]

69

[daring oar]

who should be my 9th char

If I got Beginner and barb already as 7th 8th

[fallow aurora]

usually 2nd sb, dk, and es

[daring oar]

should I do sb for catching ?

[warm pike]

When should I start leveling this up?

[solar seal]

also clever name :3

[zinc torrent]

ur stamps is a tragic story

[zinc torrent]

if its in the 5-6 hrs why not

[simple wadi]

Finally got this stamp =3 Now I'm back to missing only (I think) the arcade stamps.

[worldly lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[toxic saddle]

Did you see my update on the sailing progress for this account XD

It actually seems like it’s going well, I haven’t even started my testing yet

[teal lynx]

Yeah, I just quickly looked at it. Was playing another game and seems like I forgot to answer 😅

[toxic saddle]

I’m going to started actually testing once I hit 80 in divinity for my characters

That was just simply 6 hour claims every now and then. And with sailing procs

[teal lynx]

Wishing you luck
Hopefully you get some good research for that guide

[toxic saddle]

I’m really trying my best here XD

[hoary oracle]

hello

im wondering how much damage i should gain before contuining to grind w5 im at 2 mil rn at i stopped doing much grinding. is there a good mark that could get me to kruk but not battling kruk

or should i have the same amount of damage i need for kruk for grinding

[solar seal]

goal should be to work up to damage for kruk so you can unlock w6 and start getting those bonuses.

[hoary oracle]

so i should have the same amount of damage i need for kruk by the end of w5 or should i just go with a lower amount then gain when im about to fight him?

[short sparrow]

Might as well get it up there

[hoary oracle]

k

[solar seal]

if you can have it by time you get to map, that's great. most will end up short and need to backtrack a little to pick up damage for final push

[hoary oracle]

k

im prob gonna wait till i at least have an amount thats close enough to kruk.

man i just need so much damage

[solar seal]

the portals ramp up fairly quickly so doesn't hurt to keep pushing while you find your damage sources

[hoary oracle]

k

im at stiltmoles so ive been pushing a little bit while i get some

probably gotten mabye 2 maps forward since i started to take a break. im still going but more slowly

[warm pike]

What class are you?

[hoary oracle]

dk

[next fossil]

Does anyone have any recommendations for the world 5 boss for me? I'm struggling to get damage up currently

[strong shale]

Unlocked purple summoning and i cant even beat the first wave 🤣

Gotta backtrack and up my damage/hp i guess

[strong shale]

Probably an issue with your stamps alchemy and other damage sources

[quiet pewter]

cards can sometimes be a quick way to increase dmg, if youve not farmed/set them well. but lowgun is definitly right on what youll need longterm

[indigo ferry]

I feel like I'm missing some key source of artifact chance. All my artifacts are at .01% which I'm assuming is rounded up...

Is there a list of all the sources somewhere?

[quiet pewter]

w6 buffs it a bunch, so some of them you can jsut do later

[indigo ferry]

I'm going for...sovereign I think they're called? The t4

I guess maybe that's more of a W6 question then, idk

[stuck river]

Probably an issue of using a dk when u can't get its damage up like me

[still apex]

The first five islands have normal rates, from the snow island they are greatly reduced. If the first five also have those rates then there may be a problem. Otherwise it's normal

[still apex]

You aren't hitting 1.5x accuracy for precision power there. Unless the wiki is wrong about required accuracy

[bleak gazelle]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=artifact find

[ebon helm]

how do you get a balljoepickle? the wiki just says arcade

[junior dune]

Get lucky in arcade

[strong shale]

yup thats it

[junior dune]

There's nothing more to it

Worst part is that it would be completely useless for me since you can't get balls faster than once every 30 min

And I already have the stamp

[strong shale]

but the vial mastery

[junior dune]

You won't get a billion balljoepickles

[strong shale]

you arent trying hard enough

is there a bis PO box guide for each class?

[junior dune]

You may be stronger than me but I will stop at 100 million

[strong shale]

LOL

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, crystal farm to max them out

[strong shale]

ig i could just find all the bonuses and figure out from there

but im lazy

[junior dune]

It really depends on what you want though

Main skill should probably come quite early

[bleak gazelle]

i went with like...sample > double afk > lab > w5 for my lab slaves

DR > all the random combat boxes spam for my active folks

[junior dune]

The most important ones are bubo who should get mana and alchemy boxes early and dk which should have the crystal chance box

First box has fight afk gains which is always nice

[strong shale]

yea i have those, i just have like 1k boxes to use on all my others

[solar seal]

just reset it every 2 days so you don't ramp your costs

[strong shale]

how do i reset it? im at like a 500 streak on PO1

[solar seal]

use 1 pen to get rid of any shield. let it sit a day. then next day it'll be at 0

[strong shale]

ooh okay

i figure its like only using 50k logs and shit and thats pretty low

[solar seal]

i do 200 on box1 and box3 every 2 days to farm up

[warm pike]

Wow guys I am so OP at this game and

[solar seal]

this is shopped? 32M would have M

[strong shale]

i dont think so at below 100m

[solar seal]

game changes dmg at 10M and 10T

[bleak gazelle]

using pens manually? peasants, smh

[solar seal]

gonna take me a few months to get myriad maxed 💀

[mighty jewel]

Did some of the Cards change to passive, or is the (P) for something else. I don't remember this being a thing, but i don't use my brain sometimes so...

[solar seal]

this is a benefit of skill mastery (rift) when you get a certain skill to 300 account level

[mighty jewel]

oh how did i not notice that. well now i feel dumb but happy at the same time.

[solar seal]

definitely get all the relevant skills to 300. it changes how you sample a ton since all the cards are passive

[mighty jewel]

yeah, i am about to go crazy on the last couple that aren't at 300 yet. boy will this make things more fun. oh would having them as active cards double it...just a dream and a wish though i know its not gonna be real.

[solar seal]

i don't believe so. it's not like star signs

[strong shale]

just realized you can put both event food + normal boost food together

[mighty jewel]

yep thats a thing

[bleak gazelle]

Well it technically is like star signs, since you need the doubler for it to double

[strong shale]

means im gonna have to redo samples AGAIN next week

[solar seal]

you can double passive cards?

[bleak gazelle]

I would assume you can with a card doubler? Did he code them differently?

[solar seal]

i can check after i kill baba, but i didn't think that was a thing

[strong shale]

i dont see why u couldnt, unlocking skill mastery could be detrimental then no?

[bleak gazelle]

seems like they're different

gg lava

[strong shale]

[solar seal]

in 2nd ss

[hoary oracle]

hello guys

[solar seal]

nothing changed between equipping/not equipping iron ore

[warm pike]

Ever thought about how it could be years old?

[hoary oracle]

how thez stats looking?

[solar seal]

oh that could explain it

[tough pelican]

for gamine do i need the research to say .01% or do i just hit research after clicking 1 plant even thou its 0%?

[solar seal]

some say you can do it when it says 0% still. i'm ocd and only did it after 0.1%+

[tough pelican]

hmm guess i'll do a couple more days at 0% if nothing hits move to 0.1%

[strong shale]

AYYY HIT A 1.6% for another crop

damage stonks are up!

[solar seal]

have you already unlocked night market?

[strong shale]

mhm

gonna get to the map w/ the dude so i can sell my crops

[bright meteor]

Almost 100T dmg on Dk and x15 dr

[hoary oracle]

im only 14.998 trillion away from you

wait no

actully im 99.998 trillion away from you

[grave tundra]

Yo same

[worldly lagoon]

practically same dmg :o

[strong shale]

yeah i guess i really do need to redo samples, had over 1k PO boxes on all my chars that just werent in their skilling

i dont wanna

[bright meteor]

I still can't leave w5 chat

[solar flame]

this also affects skill Exp correct?

[main kettle]

so I just reached w5, is DK the go? Or ES

[strong shale]

no just afk gains

[strong shale]

basically pick your poison, either choice is good

[main kettle]

I started with warrior so am continuing with warrior, DK it is then

[strong shale]

o7

[junior dune]

It increases skill xp indirectly.

[solar flame]

even for divinity grind?

[junior dune]

No not for divinity

[solar flame]

im trying to decide if 2nd or 1st god is better for my characters at pedestal

[junior dune]

There's a divinity primer in the second pin which may help. You also get unlinks when you unlock new gods so you don't have to worry about those when deciding what to go with

[solar flame]

may the grumblo god smile upon you

[main sigil]

should i link specific chrs to specific gods or does it not matter

chars

[bleak gazelle]

you typically link based on what you're doing on the character

[vapid warren]

Is there a page that shows best order / kph for each mob on w5

[short sparrow]

There's no best, just get as high as you can

The more damage the better obviously

[lone marten]

Any way to get more bit point? I just get the artifact from that cloudy island that boost it, any other place to get more bit gain buff? (Wanting to unlock pong)

[strong shale]

W6 has some sources, couple artifacts in sailing

Most of it is thru gaming though with nuggets etc

[bleak gazelle]

Not sure if anyone has made a sheet similar to w1-4. The feels say wurms > ojs >stilts/moltis/stalkers/fire spirits/who knows?

[vapid warren]

ty

[zinc torrent]

how do i crystal farm isnt there something that makes it so that when you kill a crystal theres a chance of spawning another? where is that

[dreamy merlin]

choco chip

lab chip

[zinc torrent]

cuz rn i have 1/160 crystal odds and idk how im supposed to get 20k statues from that

[dreamy merlin]

maybe just dont with those low odds and no choco chip

[zinc torrent]

hm

is dk the best character to crystal farm?

i would imagine cuz of respawning enemies but idk

[bleak gazelle]

Yes, because of how DK orb DR works, but you can do it on bubo, too if you need CC time

[zinc torrent]

ah

[bleak gazelle]

Not quite as good DR but you get a bunch of alch progress, too

[zinc torrent]

yeah seems good

my bean card is gonna be so leveled by the morning lol

[bleak gazelle]

Check pings in here or w3/4 for a sheet of where to farm for statues. Ideally you'll want w4 genie and w1 poop cards to at least 4 stars and at least one doubler

[zinc torrent]

alr ty

yeah leveling the cards would be a good idea

[bleak gazelle]

Suggestion for that is card DR cards (gigafrogs, snelbies, and staches. the first two are great for some pop/dice obols as well) then moving onto regular DR cards, then crystal cards

Chaotic or nightmare chiz drop a card that increases shrine effects, too which is good to boost your crystal shrine

PO box has crystal chance

[zinc torrent]

i do have chaotic chiz card from packs

in fact its 3*

should i 4 or 5* it?

[bleak gazelle]

If you have spare cardifiers, not a bad idea

[zinc torrent]

yeah i bought a bunch when i was whaling and had nothign to spend my gems on LOL

nvm i have no 4* cardifiers, just 5* 🙏

[indigo ferry]

TYVM. That's exactly what I was looking for

[zinc torrent]

also id imagine using candy for card farming is a waste isnt it

cuz i used a 2 hour candy and only got 1 card 💀 but active is gonna be way more than that

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, probably not at lower DR

don't forget you can also snapshot card dr, just enter map with those cards then swap

[strong shale]

candying skills is a decent way to get those cards

[zinc torrent]

what does snapshot cardd mean

[strong shale]

you load into the map with the card set, then swap

so you can load in with your card drop rate cards, then swap to drop rate and you get both

[zinc torrent]

oh i see

[short sparrow]

At last, the refinery equinox dream is done and I have the gaming nugget upgrade

Now I just need the chem dream so I can click my game plants again

[bleak gazelle]

if you have the 15 it should be saved, can check your progress in IT

[hollow palm]

What is the maximum number of gaming sprouts (i have 20 now). Trying for 15 chem (currently 12) for equinox, and it is taking forever.

[bleak gazelle]

Pretty sure 20 is max

[short sparrow]

you're saying I wasted all that time

[worldly lagoon]

24 is max, but last 4 take purple bits

[short sparrow]

That's very depressing

[bleak gazelle]

Ah, so 20 is max for a long time

[worldly lagoon]

some ppl are pushing purple bits XD

[young nest]

bruh, this snail, 2 fails in a row with 59% success rate and 2nd being reset

[bleak gazelle]

A lot of the equinox challenges will pre-save progress, like my vman's lucky lad

[junior dune]

Have anyone actually gotten 10T purple bits? I thought people were maybe in the 10k range

[sinful aurora]

Thats crazy if someone got there. Im barely at 10 purple bits and i thought i was doing a good job.

[junior dune]

Yeah I imagine 20 sprouts is the reachable max

And that later upgrades aren't intended to be reached

[sinful aurora]

I doubt that upgrade actually does anything even if you tried to buy it.

Could be like trying to click research post-chemical.

[sharp glacier]

Hey I'm a bit confused as to why does my es does so much more damage than any of my other characters?

Like even his basic attacks do 100m+ while all my other guys can only do around 10m+ barely

And there's not even anything special about his equipment either?

[bleak gazelle]

ES talents go hard

[junior dune]

Largely because the es special damage source is stamps and that is easy to get good early

[worldly lagoon]

This specific ability is the hardest hitting ability in the game

by a pretty large margin

[sharp glacier]

Yah I checked that and it was at 260%

But I have multiple other characters who have that

Like my bubo and squire

[sharp glacier]

Oh I know this one but even his basic attacks outclass all my other characters

[worldly lagoon]

he just stronk

[bleak gazelle]

this scales pretty well too

[worldly lagoon]

that's one of the highest dps raising abilities in the whole game ^

[sinful aurora]

Until refinery ranks go brrr

[bleak gazelle]

can't imagine that with only 4 people on omni

[worldly lagoon]

i can't imagine being a doon'ter

[junior dune]

*Cries in rank 20*

[worldly lagoon]

rank 20?

[sharp glacier]

Ah that might be it

Thanks!

[bleak gazelle]

surely tomorrow is the day

[bleak gazelle]

but i'm also on 69/200, should i even keep rolling?

[worldly lagoon]

you got this

[worldly lagoon]

this is actually so depressing to look at

[junior dune]

If things are time gated I'm terribly behind

[worldly lagoon]

i was legit feeling rly behind below below 1k like all the end gamers

[bleak gazelle]

something else I'm better at than Trial

[worldly lagoon]

once you get near 100 it skyrockets in speed massively

only took me a couple months to go from like 100 to 350

[strong shale]

https://i.imgur.com/R06Qk3y.png

wrong character

[bleak gazelle]

Lul

[strong shale]

but first one

[last citrus]

Does bubble 14 scale linearly the whole time?

[junior dune]

14 is talent points?

[strong shale]

yeah

[junior dune]

If so yes

[strong shale]

it does

[last citrus]

So if I get that bubble high enough, I could theoretically not need different presets

[junior dune]

Yep, that is what end gamers do

[glossy pagoda]

I could never be this dedicated to the game

[worldly lagoon]

you say that, but i'm pretty sure every heroin addict never thought when they were a kid they wanted to chase the dragon their entire lives

[clever narwhal]

So I'm bottlenecked on shiny scorpions in trapping for my trapper drone, current strat is "silkskin 20hr passively" but I was wondering, specifically for shiny amount, is silkskin still best or would 40hr Royal be better?

[junior dune]

That is a horrible method

[eternal wasp]

20 min silk traps for the win

[junior dune]

You can get at most 1 stack of shinies per trap which makes 20 min claims much better

[clever narwhal]

Yeah imagine having the time for that haha

[eternal wasp]

Get the shiny snitch prayer and critter food
It helps with shinies

[junior dune]

There are so many shiny chance buffs that you will probably be 100% probability to get shinies every single time

Go to the trap in the world and check to make sure but you can likely get the same amount of shinies from a 20 min trap and your 20 hr traps

Also the shiny snitch prayer is necessary. Otherwise you only get one shiny per trap

[clever narwhal]

Does shiny prayer affect the toon who placed, or the toon for whom it was placed?

[junior dune]

The prayer only matters when collecting

If the rift collects them it is the character you are active on at reset time

[clever narwhal]

Ah so I should always open with my hunter

Thought rift would collect in the name of the character who placed them, like the trapper drone normally would

[junior dune]

Collecting with hunter will be a bit bitter yes. Partly because you get slightly more critters and partly because you have vastly higher shiny chance. The latter may or may not matter depending on if you max out shiny chance without the buff

[clever narwhal]

So yeah 20 mins claims I don't have time for, so I'll just put on prayer on hunter and open with them every day now, that should be a big enough boost hopefully

[junior dune]

How many do you need? With a max prayer you should get 118 times more

That is probably enough for construction purposes

[clever narwhal]

However much this is

[junior dune]

Oh that is probably one collection with the prayer on

[clever narwhal]

Prayer is only lv 13 now, ran out of shouls, will switch to ES for some extra of those

[junior dune]

Anyone know if we have a good shiny critter guide/graphic? It is a topic that is so common that one would be nice.

[chrome oriole]

How do u get gold trimmed cons slot?

Also how long does it usually take to get to bear god.. having all my toons on div takes the fun away

[junior dune]

One from a lab jewel, another one for having all three jewels of that color and the third from upgrading the atom to lvl 1

Lava spreads misinformation ingame where it says 5x speed in game. It is 3x

[junior dune]

A day or two? I don't remember. You may want to check out the divinity primer in the pins

[worldly lagoon]

bear god is second god so it's kind of quick

[sly cedar]

is there some trick to rift skulls besides just leaving some mobs alive?

im finding it tough to get up to lava skulls in my current rift

[stuck river]

Es portal will probably have a easier time

I unintentionally got a lava skull in the 5000 skull point challenge

[junior dune]

ES isn't all that great if you're just barely killing the mobs though

And you run the risk of getting the skull on an unkillable enemy

I would recommend bubo since they get the highest kph. It is technically possible to kill all mobs that way, but doubt that will almost certainly not happen if you're not trying to do it

SB is also good

DK is the worst, BB and vman have no respawn mechanic and BM respawn is bad so don't use those

[sly cedar]

ive been trying on sb for a while now

do skulls disappear after a while?

[junior dune]

May I suggest praying?

[sly cedar]

im pretty sure ive had some high tier skulls and later theyre gone

[zealous pagoda]

what should I level next?

[junior dune]

There is a 50% probability that they disappear instead of upgrading

[sly cedar]

which prayer is good?

i meant if you dont kill the mob

[junior dune]

That was a joke. There isn't much more you can do

[sly cedar]

lmao

ok, i will pray to rngesus

[junior dune]

If that is for speedruns/combat I would go with the respawn from bosses and not waste points on blood marrow in this preset since you will get most of the cooking gains from ladles anyways

For buffing use definitely put some points into enhancements

[zealous pagoda]

oh yea a preset for speedruns and one for everything else would be good

[junior dune]

Statues buff is very big if you have some onyx statues. Otherwise it is alright as well, but not huge

[zealous pagoda]

just got into onyx with 1 of my characters

my DK was farming beans all night and I only got 2k power statues.... its gonna take ages for all my chars to unlock onyx

[red scarab]

I wouldn’t do onyx imo if that’s how long it takes. I’d focus on other things and revisit onyx status when you have the proper damage and drop rate. I’d recommend having at least 12 x drop rate

[zealous pagoda]

I have 8.77

[zealous pagoda]

I'd say I have enough dmg rn but the drop rate is lacking

If only I had the chip that boost my top left card, I'd have a way higher christal spawn rate

[strong shale]

and choco chip

no point onyxing statues without it, will take far too long

[strong shale]

do you have both family/personal obols on drop rate?

[tranquil pewter]

Are they need for something after the stamp?

[strong shale]

Best place to cranium cook outside of w6 mobs, and a decent card

[steep kiln]

Also best place to farm golden food/statues in W5 as well as boss keys. There's also a vial and bubble using their monster material

[hidden flare]

anybody wants to do the dungeon in world 2? never done it so, need a carry lol

[clever narwhal]

Yeah I'm getting like 50 per 20 min silk claim now, which is acceptable, but not enough for max level. I'll just keep farming awhile

Prayer is only at lv 30 I think, didn't have enough souls for 50

[clever narwhal]

You should be able to solo it

You don't take any damage, you just gotta do the trials

[teal brook]

does no food left behind only work if meal is lvl 5 or higher?

[zealous pagoda]

currently going like this

and personal still needs big attention xD

[solar flame]

exp balloons dont work on divinity?

[green ocean]

Nope

[solar seal]

you likely aren't here still but if you check back in later, yes it does require minimum level 5 meal. but if you are at that point in the game, level 5 meals should be 1 ladle max to get at least 10-20+

[solar seal]

i'd finish farming out your dice for hex and sparkles. DR is pretty universal in usage so you don't have to constantly swap out your family obols.

the 3 sparkles and hex alone is 0.59x DR which can likely push you into next threshold

[prisma snow]

Is the shiny beanie hat is a meme or it rlly good

[zealous pagoda]

So the last 4 which are not drop rate also? Urgh thats a pain

[bleak gazelle]

at the very least the troll and chiz ones

[solar seal]

its one of those thigns though - once you do it - you don't have to do it again, unlike many things in idleon. it is nice to "complete" things every once in a while

[bleak gazelle]

oh, got some more infinites

[junior dune]

I think that meal is what carried me through the last few emporium purchases. I was missing a ton of buffs but that one gave like +500% jade

[peak verge]

Are there any "mandatory" w5 gem shop purchases?

[solar seal]

5 more then you get seraph infinites, huge

[bleak gazelle]

Not really, one golden sprinkler is nice to unlock it early and get potential extra uses out of it. But everything else is basically just how much you want to whale to speed things up

[solar seal]

unlike previous worlds, w5 is pretty time gated, regardless

[peak verge]

Right, so I'll try to see what else needs purchasing from W1-W4 since I can skip on gem spending for a while.

[junior dune]

A sprinkler is nice to have but more is unnecessary. You will probably eventually want to buy out the lava sprouts but that is far down the line. Divinity sparkies can shorten the divinity grind a decent amount but stack poorly if you buy multiple. Chest sluggos are generally overrated imo

[bleak gazelle]

printer, anvil, liquid cauldrons are all kind of mandatory buys. then at least one forget slot, one kitchen, one egg are all good to have, too

[junior dune]

Actually I wish I had one less chest sluggo so I got a perfect 40 resulting in exactly two round trips for all ships

[bleak gazelle]

40 is max? I thought 30 was?

[solar seal]

i have 2 slugs just so my stack is 20, but thats more a convenience factor. hated having 18 and 2 boatswould just randomly sit there

[peak verge]

Missing the golden egg, only have the first liquid cauldron and I'm missing on all the colored cauldrons, that's about it.

[junior dune]

It is 30, but if you have 20 slots you can collect 40 chests since there are boats waiting on the docks as well.

[bleak gazelle]

colored cauldrons are CC farm takes care of maxing out bubbles pretty easy without them

[solar seal]

^ i do 40 chests/collect

[peak verge]

CC farm?

[bleak gazelle]

Cranium Cooking on Bubo

[solar seal]

colored cauldrons are bad imo. i maxed all mine out w/o them

[peak verge]

what about 2nd and 3rd liquid cauldrons?

[junior dune]

I do 40 chests but have one boat that is out of sync. The worst part is that you can't see which one is the stack of 19 boats and which one is the lone one

[solar seal]

liquid are def buys cause you always need

[junior dune]

I would probably buy the draconic cauldron from the fomo shop

It is not the greatest thing you can buy right now, but you will appreciate it and likely won't be able to buy another one for many months

[peak verge]

I already did, that's why my economies are in shamble once I entered W4.

Does draconic stack with bleach cauldrons? Or does it just override them?

[bleak gazelle]

Think I was at 1.24e26 earlier then threw a bunch of spice at upgrading all my kitchens

Dragonic stacks with bleach. Salt lick capacity apparently only works if you bought bleach cauldron, too, unless that got fixed since last year #wiki-discuss message
He also mentioned Dragonic not giving rate, so apparently that's new since the last time I saw it

[stable whale]

Wish me luck

wow that was easy

w6 here i come

[solar seal]

if you are prepared with damage, kruk is a pushover

[stable whale]

I thought I needed more than ~35m max damage

[bleak gazelle]

What were you at?

[stable whale]

Like 32

[bleak gazelle]

Plenty enough. We normally recommend ~30m for ES for an easy fight, though we've seen a handful of people roll through in the 20s range, just takes anywhere from 10-30 minutes

35m is a good spot for DK

back up to 13 snail

[spice meadow]

I unlocked snail, does it give cards daily?

I need 3 to get to lvl1

[bleak gazelle]

1 mail daily, you can level the import for a chance to get 2 and eventually 3

[spice meadow]

Damn, gotta wait 3 days for the snail to be good

[bleak gazelle]

You should also be fine without encouraging the snail up to levvel 13, but still advised not to go beyond 5 until you have the first level of the atom unlocked

[main kettle]

Is this the guy yall told me to push w5 with?

[bleak gazelle]

that do be one of the easier ones

[main kettle]

My BBs better but I accept the challenge to use this class

[echo crag]

he will do better on w5 boss that BB even if BB got better stats tho XD

[bleak gazelle]

You can still give your BB a try, you'd probably need at least 50m to make it work though, maybe 60m?

[main kettle]

50m what.

[echo crag]

dmg

[bleak gazelle]

max sheet damage

[main kettle]

yeah even my es hasn’t crossed 10m

[bleak gazelle]

ES is another good choice, requires a bit less damage than DK

[main kettle]

the only problème with ES is the low accuracy and defense plus some major mana issues

[bleak gazelle]

what level is it?

[lone marten]

Which should i eldritch first after i unlock the rift eldritch tommorow or the day after it?, is it fury or sailing artifact

[bleak gazelle]

tusk

[lone marten]

Real

[bleak gazelle]

tablet if you need speed, otherwise could go straight to fury after

[lone marten]

🦏

[spice meadow]

Is there a way to disable exp from skills?

Kinda dificult to keep vman as the higher skill when card farming

[bleak gazelle]

Nope, best you can do is the -exp prayer and remove points from maestro xp boost, i believe

[spice meadow]

Damn

There are 2 -exp prayers, right? One gives efficiency and the other one gives...

Uh, something

[bleak gazelle]

royal sampler and the +eff prayer

[spice meadow]

So theres 3 prayers that give -exp

[spice meadow]

Btw royal sampler does something if printer sample already at 100%?

[bleak gazelle]

Should just be two prayers with -exp
https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Prayers

[noble oar]

No

[bleak gazelle]

No, but you want to still hit 90% sample rate without the prayer on

[spice meadow]

Sad

[bleak gazelle]

oops

[main kettle]

;(

only one wave away and this guy ruins it >;(

[bleak gazelle]

[red crescent]

Anyone know what class I should use to farm Death Note kills? Working on following the auto review and I'm at the point of waiting on alchemy so Death Note is next up.

[main kettle]

why eaxctly

oh

but my defenses were also weak so its still onna be tough

nothing else?

i think ice and bouldler would make a good combination

yeah dnt think i do

my best is the lighgghghghtinigng one

lightning

okay will do tanks man!

[bleak gazelle]

depends on a few factors, but typically BB is always a solid choice since you want to get zow/chow/schows done on him. next can be DK/bubo for crystal farming/CC farming. After that, active ES is great to work on your mob greenstacks, as well. Past that, active BM (with VMan enhancement) is decent for speeding up shiny/breeding/spice progress, but this is typically on the same maps as dk/bubo might crystal farm on

what link we need, TD?

!guide has you covered for everything up to about 80

[obtuse orbit]

Mid-Late Game guide for World 3 / 4 / 5:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[bleak gazelle]

Pancake's guides can be found here for anything past that https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1084925174517866496

Check the top of that thread via pins if you don't have access to endgame-talk channel

[mighty helm]

I just discovered my first divinity, how many divinity i should discover before moving out ?

[bleak gazelle]

Welcome in! I would check out the 📌 for some info, the 2nd has a link to the divinity starting guide pin.
TL;RD - wait till you get 2nd god (bear) to move anyone off, so that everyone can be connected in lab to get bonuses. Keep people on altar until 5th god (goat) then move them back to lab for both lab/div xp/points. Then unlock at least up to 7th god (tiger)

[lunar barn]

How to get enough damage to defeat chaotic kattlekruk in 30 seconds?

[bleak gazelle]

Alch, stamps, cards, starsigns, po box, equinox, meals, artifacts, divinities, dungeon flurbos, and talents are all sources of damage
W6 has some great damage bonuses too

[noble oar]

You're forgetting skill mastery

[pseudo bison]

which lvl boss is optimal for gem farming?

[bleak gazelle]

normal

[bleak gazelle]

I mostly post that for people trying to get to kruk for the first time, most of them won't have the account levels for w4/5 skills or won't have rift unlocked to 16 to make use of it

But yeah, definitely some easy damage there if you're going for cKruk

[teal brook]

should i push to unlock nullo salt or get it when my green is high eventually>?

[lunar barn]

Whats on rift 16?

[bleak gazelle]

i'd probably push to unlock it

[bleak gazelle]

Skill Mastery

[lunar barn]

Does it give damage?

[bleak gazelle]

You get bonuses for reaching level breakpoints across your whole account

[lunar barn]

Ohhhh

[bleak gazelle]

The 300 level bonus for w4-6 skills does

[teal brook]

rift 10 and 15 such a pain

[lunar barn]

What do you think should i use for chaotic kruk

My dk is the highest level (415), and my bubo and elemental are (371)(372)

[main kettle]

also the hunter thing worked and I got the prayer!

Am not really grinding that TD I just get wave 20 or 15 and get my souls that’s it

[red crescent]

Oh, wait. If I use BB should I active or AFK?

[bleak gazelle]

BB is always afk since it has no active respawn skills

ES, Bubo, DK are best for active, BM if you're farming for breeding/shiny speed is okay, too (this i more of a thing later in w6 with lots of bonuses)

SB active is primarily done to farm plunderous kills, otherwise you typically want them afk farming because multikill doesn't affect this forge progress talent unless you're afk

[red crescent]

Oh, okay.

[pliant snow]

should i use the kitten roxie thing in gaming skill? i have reach the red gaming bit and havent once used that mechanic

[red crescent]

Also, I know the rifts count for BB. Should I farm world 4 death note first to get enough MK to super chow the rifts? Does the death note even apply to the rift?

[bleak gazelle]

General early advice is to just keep it on if you're active, but by the time you can throw like ~50 levels into it, it should always be on. I'm sorry you've had to suffer without it

[bleak gazelle]

Yes, it does apply, I wouldn't delay getting to Rift 16 because of death note, but if you're already there then that would be okay, too

[red crescent]

I'm on rift 36 so it's kinda slow lol

~82k kills per hour

[bleak gazelle]

Not too bad. You can zow/chow/schow rift. The first two should be super simple from just a single afk map you've probably done

[red crescent]

Yeah, I've already got zow and chow for rift. I think with your advice I'm gonna get lava skulls on world 4 mobs then come back.

[bleak gazelle]

The last ~8 levels are all 5mil kills, too, so you can always farm those then, too

Push through W6 and get your damage bonuses, too

[fast wolf]

Wait can I go to previous rifts to zow and chow them

[bleak gazelle]

BB went from like 500B to 8T with some summoning and farming

All of rift is a single map (which is what Zows are counted off of), so you can't go back, but every kill you've done in rift counts towards Zow counts

[iron gazelle]

is there an easy way to do 2nd dungeon solo?

like, up to 3rd tier

[bleak gazelle]

Same method as W1 dungeon works

Tier 3 tasks has one that you can't win though, so need to make sure you complete the other

You don't have to break the stones in the last set though, since there's no portal to open, so don't need to waste time on that

[rigid mango]

how does artifact work ? i have 750 item but dont get any boost

[echo crag]

if you just unlocked it, reload the map

[rigid mango]

thx

[vapid reef]

u should unlock just enough for void, having void allows u to get +20 levels on every td possible.

[cobalt nymph]

general rule of thumb, if something feels wrongly displayed, reload them map/game xD

[vapid reef]

having void + 2 kraken will make your td bottle neck on normal waves and not bosses if done correctly and that can help alot in early farming of frost soul.s

[noble oar]

It's really just void

The bosses are a bottleneck due to their health bar and abilities

Void makes them regular mobs with big hp

[mighty iris]

after all these years...

finnally I got the foony number

[noble oar]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-excellent-yes-meme-nod-gif-17397471

[echo gulch]

does the archer talent of giving forge progress work when you are afking for 2 minute claims?

[bleak gazelle]

that's the whole reason 2 minute claims are a thing, basically

[echo gulch]

ah

[bleak gazelle]

It works active, too, but it doesn't count multikills towards it for w/e reason

[echo gulch]

i need to smelt those filthy void ores for nullo

[bleak gazelle]

good ol salt grind

[teal brook]

so to boost forge i throw my archer into Gms or slimes and collect afk every 2min?

[bleak gazelle]

Basically

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1227670042599231668
Here's the ideal setup

Typically you want gmush so you can get kills for money % through lab

if you're doing copper, just make sure you don't use any oils cause it will burn through it pretty fast

[echo gulch]

in this checklist they say multikill is counted for 2 min claims

[teal brook]

how do i play ping pong in gaming?

[echo gulch]

you need to purchase it from imports first

[eternal wasp]

Cause it's afk claims

[teal brook]

any guide to push gaming somewhere?

[fast wolf]

100m dmg in a few days

just need jade for the crop dmg thing and i can get lustre wand tmr

[bleak gazelle]

Yep, I mentioned that MK doesn't work for active for w/e reason

[teal brook]

any guide for what gear i should aim for on all of my characters?

[solar seal]

its like a few quests. active = counts only base kills, AFK = MK allows for full kill count with multipliers

[teal brook]

why has my daily reset timer changed? it was 18:00 before and now its 01:00 and i am positive i have never let them be afk for a full day without logging in

[solar seal]

if you lagged your game out by having full inventory causing loot lag during long active afk periods, you can push your daily reset timer back by significant amounts. if you catch your game doing that - you can immediately cloud save to recover some of the time. you can 'correct' it by using silver stopwatches.

[teal brook]

silver stopwatches how`?

[tall horizon]

Also of note, if you have desync and go into pet park the desync is negated and your reset time is permanently changed.

[solar seal]

using silver stopwatch while in bag on left half -> moves it forward 15 min, using while in bag right half -> moves it back 15 minutes

[teal brook]

dat hella annoying

[tall horizon]

Make it a habit to always go to player menu after any prolonged active play

[teal brook]

are you talking abt this item?

[echo gulch]

pet park?

[echo gulch]

you mean breeding?

[solar seal]

the place where you pull free weekly companion pet

[teal brook]

how do i get it?

[echo gulch]

my reset didnt return to normal though

[echo gulch]

in gemshop , events

[solar seal]

going tehre doesn't return it. it keeps the desyn permanent if you have any lingering

[echo gulch]

ah

[solar seal]

rasha saying if you want opposite effect of cloud saving to prevent your reset from moving, you can go to pet park to make it permanent

i guess if you trying it 'fix it' by just going full 24 hrs, thats something you can do

[mighty iris]

man I love idleon but I can't help but just hate how boring and uninspiring the boss fights are...

[bleak gazelle]

efaunt was great

[mighty iris]

I just did cattle and just completly zoned out the whole fight

[bleak gazelle]

chiz and amarok were decent

[mighty iris]

ya

[bleak gazelle]

troll was different and hella annoying, as the name suggests

[tall horizon]

Mostly just alerting people that's why a lot of permanent desync occurs. Don't know why anyone would want to do that. Lost time is bad

[fast wolf]

W

huge

[solar seal]

shrug people do all sorts of things for no reason at all

[bleak gazelle]

yo grats, that one's yuge

[tall horizon]

True lol

[bleak gazelle]

soon

[solar seal]

izza doot, i can smell it

[mighty iris]

also why does w6 have no music???

its just w5 music

[teal brook]

does all the colloseum npcs give me extra daily tickets if i do their quest?

[solar seal]

only w1-w3

[bleak gazelle]

Well, new questline is from w2 npc yeah? but no new tickets

[solar seal]

considering vast majority of people play game w/ it muted. prob very low on lava's checklist

[bleak gazelle]

so just 3 tickets/day still

decent trophy for damage though

[mighty iris]

I guess

[solar seal]

w4 and w5 just got added music recently iirc - #patch-notes📝 message

[bleak gazelle]

[flint nova]

anyone down to check my ie to tell me how to double my damage please

[bleak gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[flint nova]

https://kirito_kujo.idleonefficiency.com

[noble oar]

Link it

[noble oar]

Done.

[flint nova]

Im not even joking I just saw that 2 days ago

[bleak gazelle]

Sad

[noble oar]

Insanity is attempting to do the same thing and expect different results.

[bleak gazelle]

I'd advise you to take your BB off of cooking and just throw him on div or something else too. The amount of ladels you get isn't worth the time right now

[noble oar]

I will speedrun review any account while it really is just me opening the page, going to w1 stamps and screenshotting stamp level 😂

I didn't even bother checking the actual level, 99/100 times it's stamps.

[flint nova]

Alright ill do taht right away

[noble oar]

Got a long way to go with alchemy too

[flint nova]

I just got royal sampler

im working on this stamp right now

[noble oar]

@flint nova Well guess what, none of these three bubbles require royal sampler.

The skills here are: trapping, worship, construction in that order.

Time to upgrade some of your skulls and traps and start using your BM

[flint nova]

Alright Ill set some of my traps to frogs and ill prioritize forest souls

noted

thanks a lot guys Ill work on my stamps and thoses 3 bubbles along with worship, traping, and construction ones

[noble oar]

Get working on worshipping (I want to see 50 worship per char MINIMUM) and Trapping same.

For trapping start using your Beastmaster (hunter) and use his Eagle Eye ability

[flint nova]

I have been

O i need to claim traps

[noble oar]

Wait you have trapper drone

Use that

[flint nova]

yeah

I am

[solar seal]

you are screwing yourself so hard on souls

[bleak gazelle]

Work on your max book level https://imgur.com/WaT5nBs
W3 merits and salt lick still have a few to get
Pump orange bubbles 1 and 2 to like 150/75. Bubble 17 also to whatever you can.
Purple 1 to 100 or 150 for DK accuracy, too

[flint nova]

Ill work on 1 and 2 also 17 like you asked my acc is 150% but ill still upgrade it to 100 or 150 thanks

Ill work on the salt lick asap

[bleak gazelle]

You'll need like 81k for moles for boss, not sure if you're there yet

[flint nova]

I am

look at dk

without prayer

so my accrucary is prty good ig

again thanks guys :>

[bleak gazelle]

Probably want to work on some card farming, too. For straight damage I'd suggest nightmare troll and Dr. Def (w1 sewers miniboss), then W5 OJs, W3 snowman/bloodbones. At least getting one more rank of those to switch out

[flint nova]

Alright that reminds me I havent done dr d

and ill probably try to get blood bones to 2 star

[bleak gazelle]

Might also suggest sending all your boats to first island to get the Tusk artifact, since that will help you with some artifact find rate

[flint nova]

Oh alright I didnt know there was another one I can get

ill do taht right away

[bleak gazelle]

Once you get that, then you can probably focus on that 4th island to the the Tablet for some sailing speed

[flint nova]

oh I can click on the islands

[flint nova]

alright

[bleak gazelle]

idk what the droprate on bloodbone card is, might focus on snowman first

[flint nova]

alright

[solar seal]

ez free damage

[flint nova]

Dang forgot dungeons exist after I got my tenacity rings

[bleak gazelle]

At least he got the 50 talent points

[flint nova]

My fighting build has this

so I used the 50 talent points to good use

I cant book them yet btw

Im going to upgrade mastery first

[bleak gazelle]

No real need to upgrade mastery. I'd probably book those two before it

[flint nova]

noted

[bleak gazelle]

When you get a chance I'd redo your star talents for this thing. 25 points should be enough, where you're getting more than 1 point per point that you put in.

[flint nova]

yeah

I did that by accident but on my otehr cahcters I only do 30

I think I can make one rn

never mind I need a few more shards

[bleak gazelle]

Can throw the other points into the boss trophy talent then either card DR or crystal talent

[flint nova]

I dont have crystal talent yet

I heard its good so ill work towards it

[solar seal]

[flint nova]

I havent redone forest td in so long I can probably get a way higher wave so more souls for alchemy

Ill do that now

[strong shale]

https://i.imgur.com/xH0TNyA.png

soon you son of a ...

boop.

[solar drift]

uh so i just hit my last mutation with 0,5%

is there any more mutation ?

[bleak gazelle]

0.5 is a lot for the last one, actually

Most people roll on 0.1 to get more rolls