lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[bleak gazelle]

oh right, that one

[mystic moth]

And then the atom one

[mossy stratus]

weird i don't think i even have the jewel

no rhinestone

[mystic moth]

Do your slots show as trimmed in constr?

No the green highlight is NOT trim lol

[mossy stratus]

uhh i guess not? just weird that IE efficiency gave them a border

[bleak gazelle]

Oh, is green just active?

[mossy stratus]

oh. dahek is it then

[bleak gazelle]

keke, sorry

[mystic moth]

Ye just checked green highlight just means its what youre building rn

[bleak gazelle]

my bad

[mossy stratus]

but? i'm building a bunch other ones?

how come only first 2 are green?

[bleak gazelle]

did you scroll down?

[mystic moth]

[mossy stratus]

oh god

[bleak gazelle]

Or you can just hit the checkmark for in progress

[mossy stratus]

i'm dense as fuck

@bleak gazelle I did not scroll down and just assumed it's what i'm working on lmao

[simple wadi]

Well all my chrs have unlocked all portals in W6. Time to go back to eclipse skull farming.

[mystic moth]

you got the respawn maxed in merits?

[simple wadi]

All my merits are maxed except W6

[bleak gazelle]

wow, imagine not having tab 5 points maxed already

smh my head

[simple wadi]

"smack my head my head"

🤔

[mystic moth]

Certainly i meant w6 respawn lol

[bleak gazelle]

shakin my head my head

[simple wadi]

Oh, then no.

[bleak gazelle]

[mystic moth]

In order of importance i would day first 3 farming, 10 summon wins, 10 respawn, then the rest of farming

[simple wadi]

Good to know. But what does this have to do with me farming eclipse skulls in W4?

[mystic moth]

I figured you meant w6 hahaha woops

Carry on then

[simple wadi]

Carry on I shall

[fast wolf]

first tab4 craft

hol up im not high enough mining lvl for this lmao

jsust stopped myself from crafting it

[elfin cypress]

Good save.

[flint nova]

when I use coin flip in party dungeons I freeze and cant move am i doing something wrong or is it a glitch?

[bleak gazelle]

sounds like a bug

[tranquil pewter]

Is the loot on the right side super mega rare, I suppose? Can't get those palm trees lol

[bleak gazelle]

not necessarily super mega rare, but it is the rare one

[teal brook]

any way to speed up building progress?

[bleak gazelle]

Not much outside of just making sure your DKs are as high level as possible
https://idleoninsight.com/?search=build sp

There's also an equinox vial

🎉

[steady spruce]

i've got some bad news for you

[bleak gazelle]

Oh i know

but need levels in it to unlock higher levels

[green ocean]

3 hours while i dropped people off at the airport for my es to kill nightmare kruk and i didnt get any useful drops, card, neck, obul, wings

feels bad but at least i didnt waste the keys without getting the kill at all

[stable parrot]

how does sb flag score work, like actually

[green ocean]

that score is how many "extra" respawns you have if you get the vman talent it can consume 25 of them each time it hits 100 to instantly spawn another plunderous mob. and there is an achievement for getting it to a certain score in a certain map

150 score on eruption river so if you are going to get the vman talent on it you want to do that first

[stable parrot]

so coins on the ground?

[green ocean]

the death coins its how many you have picked up each one is worth 1 respawn

[stable parrot]

and bc you cant have mobs over the cap, they store in the flag?

[green ocean]

yes

[stable parrot]

as the flag score

ahhhh okay, that makes a lot of sense, thank you

[bleak shore]

which arti should i go for next? (i just unlocked eldritch)

[bleak gazelle]

Tusk and Tablet and open new islands

Arrowhead too, I guess, but that's on the same island as Tablet iirc

[green ocean]

new islands im 3 islands past that and dont even have eldritch unlocked thats a good bit behind. but things like he mentioned above that boost sailing are always helpful. one that does both is the pink island at the bottom dream catcher for more chest storage

[bleak gazelle]

At least the first two levels of it, eldritch and sovereign don't

[green ocean]

what do they do then? again i dont have that unlocked

[bleak gazelle]

Oh that was for dreamcatcher

[green ocean]

what?

[bleak gazelle]

regular dreamcatcher and ancient add chest storage slots

eldritch and sovereign don't for w/e reason

they might if you don't have any other bonuses?

[green ocean]

i gathered as much i was asking what they did if it has a different effect or is it just broken?

[bleak gazelle]

lava coding

oh, sorry, misread your question

[strong shale]

good for finding artis/ancients+? https://i.imgur.com/U7gKD8f.png

[bleak gazelle]

Better than nothing

[strong shale]

yea replaced a boat speed/cloud discover when im on the last island with a better captain 🤣

my nightmare kruk kills going significantly faster now https://i.imgur.com/uR8axQm.png

dementia

yeah i know ill get them chizoar stuff later and my opals are on another char

tho now that i have eldritch fury i wanna up my library checkout speed for that achievement + more 20 books

@warm pike hows your fury grind going ;p

[warm pike]

It’s ancient 😐👍

[warm pike]

How are you so much stronger than me?

[south agate]

w6 time

[strong shale]

hey its ancient !!!

better than not having it !!

[solar seal]

if you venture into w6 chat, i bid thee farewell 🫡

[strong shale]

farming for obols should i use dk or es?

[bleak gazelle]

ES for pops, DK for everything else

[strong shale]

kk

[bleak gazelle]

unless they're from the liquid shop, then bubo

[nova lynx]

Alright bubo is on last map before citringe. I know he isn't even in a closely good state for active CC farm (still working towards 200 tent). Are there any recommended maps to CC on before citringe (and 200 tent)? And rule of thumb is one shotting mobs with poison canisters?

[strong shale]

floms

in w4

https://i.imgur.com/rOqobtV.png

[nova lynx]

ooh floms would work.

[strong shale]

or cans

[nova lynx]

at least w/ my damage

[strong shale]

id honestly sit in oranges

youll get more exp, the CC difference is minimal bc you dont have 200 tent

your auras will kill them fast enough, its not a big map

[nova lynx]

Kk. If I am active AFKing after I open oranges I'll def keep there just for exp reasons. But if I put him back in the lab was curious if there were better CC maps. I guess my CC prog is pretty minimal anyways lol.

[bleak gazelle]

assuming you can survive the crystals

[strong shale]

^

[nova lynx]

Yeah that too... lemme go throw full dementia on him and see how the defense is looking

[strong shale]

could always use a couple defence cards

pretty easy one https://i.imgur.com/sPgExON.png

and this one https://i.imgur.com/TvQCTEA.png

[nova lynx]

Yeah I have forest soul, sheepie, maccie, and donut (12%, 12%, 10%, 8%).

I think dementia is easier since my bubo is just wearing w1 chopping crap I made like 3months ago early on

It'll be a decent dmg boost too

[strong shale]

mhm !

[solar seal]

imo, don't equip defense cards. your def prob shit either way. you just need HP to survive 1 hit, use i-frames to survive until you heal up w/ hemogloblin til you proc i-frames again

red pots > defense cards

[nova lynx]

10% dmg increase and doubled my def (1400 -> 2800) lol.

And 😮 good htinking kaito. I 1000% forgot red pots exist

[solar seal]

also cause you need so few talents on bubo, the increased time on iframes is actually useful when you are low damage/low tent

[nova lynx]

Yeah I'm just getting to the point where i can spend spare points on i-frames or passive stuff not needed for fighting (cauldron exp, etc)

[solar seal]

when i was still weak to get 1shot by wurms but strong enough to farm them, hp pots + iframes let me do it before i probably should ahve

[nova lynx]

Also 💤 man I'm bad at pushing dmg. Realized my chiz scarf was in bank so threw that on for another ~10% buff. Then made some steel rings and got 3/4 w6 stones to hit. That alone shot me up another 10% after final. So I'm up like 40% from what I was 10min ago lol

[solar seal]

shot my levels up in a day

[nova lynx]

good tips. will def use this for citringes 😄

[solar seal]

its all the little things, they can add up quickly

[nova lynx]

Yeah I just thought everyone said "gear doesnt matter later" and since I can easily do most progging on my alts (w5 or earlier) I figured it wouldn't make as big of an impact on my guys either.

[solar seal]

don't confuse a few things. gear can matter on your main pusher if you are trying to finish a world, esp w5. but gear doesn't really matter on non-pushers when you are catching up roster since you can rely on later world bonuses to make up lost damage

[bleak gazelle]

There's a bit of nuance to it. Gear starts to become important again sometime in w5 but it's still dependent on your overall account progress, especially with sets that give +stat%

[solar seal]

its just bonuses from skills usually outperform what 1 piece of gear might provide

[bleak gazelle]

You also did some basic stuff like steel rings with stones, which should always be done

[nova lynx]

Well my bubo isn't pushing I'd say. He's just "pushing" to citringe farming. But yeah I understand this gear woulda been crap if I didn't have all my account bonuses (which is why my ES was like 15m with better than this gear when he was at citringes lol)

[bleak gazelle]

Also half the time we say "gear doesn't matter" to people who want to put their account on pause to push lustre armor or something

[solar seal]

^ or when people are at kruk, trying to find damage - like new gear won't magically give you 20M damage

[strong shale]

🤣

yea it would! kruk armor!

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, 10% is reasonable, 100% isn't

[strong shale]

embarassing to say the least https://i.imgur.com/JOON7Ff.png

and 0 pop obols in my personal 🤣 well overdue for more drop rate

[nova lynx]

Yeah al lthis makes sense 😅 just wasn't expecting my very basic/easy gear upgrades to spike my dmg as much as it did since I'm not used to seeing hundreds of millions dmg often yet.

[strong shale]

its all about exponential gains !

a small gain to my damage like you made to yours might be 100x the dmg but still 10%!

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, base stat upgrades start to become quite powerful in w5 and beyond

[high sand]

Nah i went up 3x my dmg 2 days ago

[strong shale]

really sucks how mid-late w5 gear revolves all around salts, and for someone who fked up early its taking a bit to get the gears D:

magma is cheap, troll is not

[bleak gazelle]

just be like me and slow progress before w6 is out so you can have lots of salts stockpiled

[nova lynx]

How'd you screw up salts early? Just didn't try to keep them flowing?

[strong shale]

doomed :d https://i.imgur.com/wjUoizM.png

leveled them up too much where my red salt cant keep up

https://i.imgur.com/foP714Q.png

[nova lynx]

Is that actually a problem? Like diminishing returns on input v output?

Oh wow that's lower than my red salt lol

[strong shale]

itll freeze up

[hybrid halo]

Very early game, maybe

[strong shale]

like ill run out of red salts before my oranges proc so my blues arent going etc etc

[nova lynx]

I know like your orange salts will stall if they're producing way more, but it shouldn't matter in the long run. You can just go pull them out of refinery if they're stuck

[strong shale]

right but it doesnt work 24/7 then like it could

[nova lynx]

Ooh like your waterfall is fucked up for continuous running I gotcha

[strong shale]

https://i.imgur.com/d6O0u8O.png

[paper nova]

It’s just super inefficient if the ranks are too much off from each other. If you need to 1000 orange an hr and only make 200 red an hr then that’s bad lmao

[strong shale]

yeah i didnt know how salts worked when i initially started w3

[solar seal]

gear bottleneck in late-mid game is nullo salts. constant delays due to inactive refinery means gear prog gets slowed down

[paper nova]

But ideally you want more of the lower tier so you can bank some

[bleak gazelle]

just get doot or throw your lab slaves on omni

relish in the refinery procs

sometimes

[strong shale]

rng for no divinity/lab gains wooo

[paper nova]

Not me using amorak armor in w6 🫣

[strong shale]

ill take the L and pause gear progression for a few days

[solar seal]

shhh me too

[paper nova]

I’m close to end of w6 portal prog and only just made my first 3
Troll set pieces

[strong shale]

no one got rich by giving away materials 🤣

its hilarious to be able to tell which chars are geared/strong by their levels + what they are doing

[bleak gazelle]

i like luwuwuwgun the best

[strong shale]

i honestly like them more than my original ES

[solar seal]

the fact that its not (character slot + 1) * N = character name, makes me sad. i want lowgunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[strong shale]

LOL

Lowgun was taken

[bleak gazelle]

typicaly beginner programmer mistake

miscounted his array, smh

is there a character limit on names?

[strong shale]

damn it https://i.imgur.com/MhIRntD.png

yeah there def is

[warped stirrup]

yes

[solar seal]

if you make on steam, i think there is. on mobile its a little longer, i believe

[bleak gazelle]

[strong shale]

imagine someones afking in your map with a name that feeds off the screen

add me my name is Lowgun(n^7)

[bleak gazelle]

that one quest that needs the item drops

smh my head

[solar seal]

i think that search is only for 1st character name - so if lowgun isn't 1st slot, you might not find them

[strong shale]

fair enough

[solar seal]

they maybe highgun, midgun, abovegun, belowgun

[strong shale]

nah Lowgun is a play on words to my irl name

gotta be Lowgun or you're fake

[solar seal]

oh clever. also, hello mr. logan

[strong shale]

hi

been my IGN on everything online for yeeaaarrsssss and it aint changing

[bleak gazelle]

i feel that

[strong shale]

met someone whose name was like Lowgunnn in osrs, and i had the original Lowgun and Lowgunn

he goes, smart man

i said likewise and we went our seperate ways

[bleak gazelle]

it's....maddening when I can't get acecow

[strong shale]

i hope he remembers me

yeah it honestly turns me off from most games if i cant get Lowgun

[bleak gazelle]

especially when the account is inactive but they don't delete old accounts

[strong shale]

RIGHT, lava pls

give us #s like blizzard 🤣

pray that i get doot first free week on Lowgun#6969

[simple wadi]

Just make it Lowgun Paul

[strong shale]

think id rather be Hugh Jackman or something and be like my names logan

whens a good time to start 20 booking? i can get 0-20 books in a day, should i try for lower?

[bleak gazelle]

do you have the 1k achievement yet?

[strong shale]

nah

[bleak gazelle]

then I would focus on that first outside of a handful of talents

[strong shale]

being?

the wormhole/sb talents for drop/dmg, and other acc wide talents?

[bleak gazelle]

tenta/cc, maestro print/vman cooking mostly

nah, you can roll singles on those, you probably don't have enough kills to get much benefit out of it atm

[strong shale]

yea the maestro print thing is wild actually for atoms

[bleak gazelle]

maybe gilded sword on someone you're pushing with and need a big damage boost

i'm up to 7 hours of prints per proc now

[paper nova]

I started 20 booking after all of my characters were just decently upgraded.

Even now I can probably 20 book once a day but I still don’t really do it often. It’s kind of just whenever you feel like it will be efficient for you, which is not often.
Specific times really like what ace said above

[bleak gazelle]

But would still focus on getting the 1k achievement first

20 unfortunately only counts as 1 checkout

[solar seal]

is this still the case? i thought it was addressed recently

[bleak gazelle]

oh?

[solar seal]

i could be wrong though

[strong shale]

would be big to know

[bleak gazelle]

only if it's undocumented

guess you'll have to guinea pig for us

[strong shale]

[bleak gazelle]

I couldn't find anything in #patch-notes📝

[strong shale]

i only have 2 books :x

oh yall prob already have the achievment

[solar seal]

yeah, otherwise i would happily volunteer as tribute

[strong shale]

that dickhead on the port watched me unlock the isle of note, and INSTANTLY has a trade for the currency like man give me a few mins

[bleak gazelle]

what's your 20 book time kaito?

[solar seal]

not great, 15h

[bleak gazelle]

slower than mine

[strong shale]

that would honestly be a huge tip for ppl trying to get more damage

talent points! from party dungeons and killroy

liquid shop too once u start CCing

booking cna easily increase your dmg 25% or smth, with gilded sword and meat shank

[bleak gazelle]

I mean, tbf, I include dungeon in my sources of damage posts #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

Well, more so now than in that screenshot

[strong shale]

:p

garde says it should count as 20

[solar seal]

not surprised, i still got lots of shit to do

[strong shale]

oh shit i got the tome pet arena 100 rounds time unlock now

back to the arena

[solar seal]

i'm a more.. do as i say, not as i do :3 kinda person

[bleak gazelle]

I'm at 10.5 hours, wonder what's different

[strong shale]

is that ie?

nvm i see on toolbox https://i.imgur.com/ZIIs5OC.png'

[solar seal]

you best me in nearly every category

:3 that's how

[strong shale]

https://tenor.com/yqDn.gif

almost lab 70 on everyone, last 2 are 66 but my bubo is carrying em up

[still apex]

20 gaming levels over me but nearly 150 off my meal. Am i gaming wrong?

[solar seal]

getting free from lab jail 1.0 is an odd sensation. it's strange... what do i do with my characters? what do they even spend time on?? then you realize all the shit you gotta do and want to hide again

[strong shale]

lmfao, like pushing w4/w5 for keys

[bleak gazelle]

might just be time i've technically been in w5 for nearly a year, with a 4 month break

[solar seal]

lab jail, while annoying, is the easy life

[bleak gazelle]

i mean

if you're dootless

it's always lab jail

[serene flame]

hit 100bil

[strong shale]

ok thats a wild gif

[bleak gazelle]

okay but when are you getting better rings

[serene flame]

when i have flurbos ;(

spent them all for equinox 5 maxed flurbo stats now im poor and i still don't have megacrit

[bleak gazelle]

rip

[strong shale]

i got so lucky on megacrit

took like 10 attempts

[serene flame]

i got extremely lucky on the first 4 i hit >90 on all of them

now ive hit like 2 96s on the one before megacrit and i can't be spending that kinda flurbos when im still so far away from having good rings

[solar seal]

das rough

[strong shale]

PSA: different fishing holes give u better prints on different fish!

[serene flame]

yeah that's a hilariously obscure mechanic i think one of the npc's alludes to that

gotta be one of the most obscure mechs in the entire game

[strong shale]

very dumb ! lol

feels good https://i.imgur.com/1P2rc4q.png

[solar seal]

when you sample equinox fish, make sure you do it until you see all 4 numbers

same concept

[strong shale]

should i sample equinox fish?

[serene flame]

i just now realized you can sample equinox stuff im so stupid

[solar seal]

sampling is the only real way to do it since you can't afk there

[serene flame]

i need to do the one that's shrine charge rate for that one equinox bubble at this point

[serene flame]

yeah i thought lava just hated us bc of that one dream particulate craft

[strong shale]

bro fuck that one

[solar seal]

i'm just despairing cause i spent last 2 days farming flombeiges for gold twines and sadly think upon the 3 i sold to npc... i could have been done by now

[strong shale]

is there a like BIS set for each fish somewhere?

[junior dune]

I use this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vROpoiWi9XQVNm6gy0hHjvD0RKQFcGFzUmX2f-1rsbv8OPQX583Er0AEZndX6JzxMhz6HG2dSOqa6GT/pubhtml#

[strong shale]

[wanton obsidian]

Any ways to increase artifact find chance?

[bleak gazelle]

this too

[solar seal]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=artifact find

[strong shale]

where is this from?

need to get that one goldfish bait

[bleak gazelle]

no clue

[wanton obsidian]

What does it say sample many times for equinox fish?

[strong shale]

theres 4 different spots, different values

mine were 1k, 2k, 2.9k and 6.4k

[bleak gazelle]

4 different depths

sample until you've seen all 4

[solar seal]

all fish spots have 4 diff fish - even if equinox is all the same one. you maximize the lures for that 1 depth

[wanton obsidian]

Wow I didn't know that

[strong shale]

what map to farm w4 crystals?

[solar seal]

yeah instead of goldfish/hermit/octo/bloach - its equi/equi/equi/equi -> so you want the goldfish equinox when you sample, since its the easiest

[solar seal]

do clammies and double dip farming for pearlers

[static skiff]

when is a good time to start greenstacking? I got 8 but it feels like I could throw these resources at stamps/alch instead

[strong shale]

real

[strong shale]

greenstack first and use the overflow as your resource

[solar seal]

if you have any gs, means you are at point where you can consider gs everything and anything

[static skiff]

guess I'll just have to resist the urge and wait for excess materials then

[bleak gazelle]

don'tyou need 20 for an early equinox cloud?

[wanton obsidian]

Green stack w4 w5 w6 food they're very easy

[strong shale]

yea like one of the first ones

[bleak gazelle]

probably time to upgrade some samples too

[strong shale]

bro wont die https://i.imgur.com/Uaxnacp.png

[solar seal]

i need to resample today cause its my weekly reset, but i dun wanna

[wanton obsidian]

Relatable

[strong shale]

omg it was mine too

[solar seal]

i would rather farm out my last gold twine than resample... this is what my life has come to

[strong shale]

lmfao

[wanton obsidian]

Oh you haven't finished farming out the gold twine?

[serene flame]

FINALLY got enough batteries for w4 splicer. what's the best map for splicing?

[strong shale]

i only go wild for my samples if its for hard materials like fishing

[solar seal]

when it comes to my own account, procrastination is a strong presence all over it

[bleak gazelle]

[strong shale]

what was the gold twine for

[wanton obsidian]

Troll hat

[strong shale]

[solar seal]

according to the sheet, it says soda cans

[strong shale]

does the godshard helmet start with the troll helm?

or could i yknow..

[solar seal]

troll > magma > divine > marbi > god - for all armor

[bleak gazelle]

remember the days when dementia required plat, too

[strong shale]

guess im farming floms..

[supple solstice]

I finally got chemical plant with the 0.0 rolls 😭

[solar seal]

welcome to my current level of hell

[strong shale]

lmfaoo

im double dipping for that fishing bait too

[solar seal]

now stack 15 of those suckers for equinox

[supple solstice]

Let me just go cry in the corner

[solar seal]

it doesn't actually take that long, don't worry

but maybe get your snail first, then do it

[wanton obsidian]

When is my time 😞

[bleak gazelle]

man, this portal is taking forever

maybe I should just go push some skill levels instead

[strong shale]

do it before snail for sure

unless u get a lucky nugget

[supple solstice]

Should take a couple of days for me to get it

[supple solstice]

When world 7 comes out

[strong shale]

woo im eldritching all the good artifacts so quick

holy just went thru my vials and gained like 40 levels

and got the golden sixes stamp :] dmg and drop rate

[balmy condor]

do u need to level cooking on everyone and whatr exactly does it give u

[bleak gazelle]

primarily level it on non-BB for Skill Mastery bonuses

[balmy condor]

so thats the main benefit? so its not necessary on others?

[bleak gazelle]

I would level it (via balloons mostly) so that you can get the Skill Mastery bonuses once you unlock that

[hybrid halo]

And cash multi but the bonus to it is small

[bleak gazelle]

but yes, apart from that, no real use for other characters

[balmy condor]

okey thx

[bleak gazelle]

[hybrid halo]

[bleak gazelle]

just casually smacking some logs for easy levels

[fallow aurora]

its pretty satisfying

[bleak gazelle]

figured i can work on some skill mastery finally

500 on everything should be good for now for the efficiency boosts

then maybe throw someone on afk for some cards

then we'll see about resampling

[strong shale]

candied 2h at krakens spot and got a massive amount of cards so imma just leave my BB there until i plat all the fish

[bleak gazelle]

oh, yeah, maybe i should candy some cards

logs are kinda sad

why are alien tree cards so trash

eh, gold is enough for that one

[strong shale]

if only lava gave us passive of all the logs i might be able to survive outside of frogs https://i.imgur.com/2mnmScS.png

[bleak gazelle]

still mad about the alien logs

forgot how bad the drop rate was

[strong shale]

whoever mentioned holding down the green craft in inven instead of storage for faster, this done in like 30s https://i.imgur.com/bi9ivVa.png

spamming potion stamp now

[junior dune]

It makes things a lot better, but crafting gstacks is still a pain

[wanton obsidian]

Anyone know where the constellation is in w5 moles?

[strong shale]

bottom https://i.imgur.com/3uDTbDp.png

[wanton obsidian]

Ty

[bleak gazelle]

Just need to get those three up to 500

[sly spoke]

Any tips on how to streamline divinity, got my first 3 gods in under 24 hours but wondering if there’s anything I can do to progress it quicker

[bleak gazelle]

Not really, mostly RNG until you can unlock more modifiers and gain more levels

[sly spoke]

I guess I just gotta wait then, I have 7 characters farming divination is it best to keep them all in there until I have 4 or 5 gods ? Or up until which god

[bleak gazelle]

Those and then different worship styles are, I believe, all the points modifiers

You'll typically want to keep them on the altar until god 5, when you can link them to goat and move them back to lab so you can get gains for both

[sly spoke]

That’s useful

[bleak gazelle]

Here's some more info from the 📌 #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[sly spoke]

I got king doot so they’re already going in lab

[bleak gazelle]

Ah, well in that case, I would move them back to lab already

https://imgur.com/rfx0Wvm

You do need to unlock Purrmep and manually link someone to it, but everything else you'd just need to unlock to leve up their blessings

I'd still advise to keep most of your folks in lab for now, since you'll want to hit 75 to unlock your Chip slots and then you'll eventually need 2100 lab levels across your account for some W6 jewels

[sly spoke]

Is it not better to keep them all on divinity until I unlock the 1xp per hour chakra?

[bleak gazelle]

Since you have doot (and I assume you're at level 2 div), you have access to all god bonuses (even if you haven't unlocked them). So you have this bonus

Which means if you go sit in lab, you get lab exp, div exp, and div points

The div points won't show up on the altar UI (it'll all be 0), but they'll show up when you claim afk gains

[sly spoke]

Ahh so instead of sitting afk at divination just chuck em into lab

Sweet. That’s good to know

[bleak gazelle]

Just remember to change worship styles when they get to the right levels

[sly spoke]

That’s really helpful thanks for that 🙂

[bleak gazelle]

You're welcome, here's some info for W5 boss, as well https://imgur.com/a/qeKzKse

[rancid trench]

I actually love these because I never know the "what's my bare minimum to push through this" and very rarely is there a specific instructional. Bless up

[bleak gazelle]

You can thank @solar seal for putting it together last week (or early this week? idk time)

And I guess me because of my constant welcome spam and answering that question

[lethal aspen]

tbh i dont even know how accurate that is

since the only real req is to kill moles

[strong shale]

family page is looking better https://i.imgur.com/djLN6X7.png

[elfin cypress]

I just asked in w4 chat, but people passed over my question.
What the trick with skull Rifts? I am able to single out the skulls and kill them one by one. But they are so few and far between.

[strong shale]

kill on auto as long as u dont full clear the map

bubo is good at that

or SB

[elfin cypress]

My bubo just sweeps it and revives. Is that really the best way? I thought targetting and isolating the skulls was meant to be the method, but it just seems so unrewarding.

[strong shale]

dont think so, ive just brute forced it with bubo

it usually kills mobs on an off tick cycle so

the wholemap doesnt die

[elfin cypress]

That looks like what I'll do too. Thanks

[strong shale]

ofc come back now ya hear

[limber belfry]

If I have doot, and every God linked to everyone, should I be unblinking certain gods? Is there any drawback to leaving everyone attached to everything?

[strong shale]

you can just attach 1 person to purrmep and then ur good if i remember correctly

[limber belfry]

Meaning I should unlink the other 9 characters?

[bleak gazelle]

Range is primarily to get people into the 5-10min range. ES and even DK can do it at less if people want to aim for 20-30minutes

[gentle furnace]

dont need to unlink

[bleak gazelle]

links are just cosmetic for your character select screen, apart from Purrmep

[elfin cypress]

300/5000 rift skull kills in 10 minutes. Looks like I'm leaving it going overnight.

[lethal aspen]

so colorful

[lethal aspen]

you do have 200 tenteyecle and all that jazz right

[bleak gazelle]

got my first kattle obol yesterday when doing the NM merit

and like 5 troll ones

[elfin cypress]

Not yet

[midnight geode]

I feel like I haven't progressed in summoning for a week... What am I doing wrong? I'm at blue level 1 and can't win. Can't get far on yellow either

[short sparrow]

Same, I'm focusing on mana regen hoping I can summon more dudes quicker

[midnight geode]

Idk if I should roll for yellows and win that way or just spam down a lane

[short sparrow]

I'm sure the skill will get easier once new classes come out

[strong shale]

small increase https://i.imgur.com/2Gdw7qf.png

[lethal aspen]

don't try with bubo if you don't have 200 tenteyecle

dk/es/sb is better if you don't have bubo ready

in fact why are you even doing rift without 200 tent yet lol, you should fix sailing

[short sparrow]

Oh shit surprise weekend update

[elfin cypress]

I understand how big of a breakthrough that is, but bubo still clears reasonably quickly compared to the others.

[strong shale]

hope the update is more than just early game rework >_<

though maybe lava is expecting more players when the new classes drop

[buoyant briar]

is 29 sailing chest max?

[bleak gazelle]

30 should be

[lethal aspen]

out alrdy?

[short sparrow]

Oh no sorry I just saw the post

[strong shale]

snelbies are meta for obol frags/dice right?

[stiff river]

guys

what is the best place to farm power statsues

[rugged token]

w1 beans on DK with crystal spawn chance cards doubled

[stiff river]

ok ty

[uncut knot]

...do ppl actually max the sampling talent? (eventually?)

[rugged token]

maxing it makes it easier to reach the initial 90% sample rate and eventually overcap sampling rate enough to be able to un-equip royal sampler

[uncut knot]

there's just so much to put star talents in atm

[strong shale]

finally used those bags that were hogging my storage https://i.imgur.com/UVwHnLM.png

might stack 50 and then figure out somehting to use the candy on

welcome back!!

put a point into unending loot before u check sailing

[stiff river]

any Ez way to grren stack this

it takes long time to craft

[tawny torrent]

Don't do it from storage. Way faster from inventory

[still apex]

You'd better be able to do it in one run though, your speed resets if you stop

[stiff river]

wdum???

o fraft to inventory ty

Omg that helped alot tysm

[strong shale]

didnt even realize i got this chem evo https://i.imgur.com/6YVm4bh.png lol

[teal brook]

are there any good buffs specifically to warrior or DK somewhere in the game from star signs , alch , sailing or likewise`?

[mossy stratus]

yo fella's, how worthwhile is this pendant to buy? (most my guys currently have a chizoar unlocked, and i'm early w6)

[fast wolf]

i can already tell w5 is gonna take yrs

this alone will take 2 days and theres still 4 or 5 portals left 😦

new wand btw 🙂

[vapid reef]

am i missing anything?

[eternal wasp]

Chem

[lost tendon]

Do the gaming added hours apply to snail?

or is it strictly 1 every day

[solar seal]

its more of a personal choice, its main benefit over existing pendants is in active play so you'll only ever need 1, at most. for afk, the divine scarf will be much better. its +1 slab but its not a must buy

[teal brook]

agreed but its def good if you have the gems to spare cause divine scarf is along way for most.

[limber belfry]

is there an updated a modern version of this Idleon guidesheet? - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS626Mhng99UTh_CkACdZZWX21XkeN8XfhZHBK6WmRwLY1_0Ymeb6h6fg3TwLhV04CMjkwsybuuXEXb/pubhtml#

[solar seal]

not at the moment - the information is still right, are you looking at something in particular that seems outdated?

[ornate viper]

why is my kph so much lower on my es then my bubu they have about the same stats dmg and acc wise?

[limber belfry]

I appreciate your follow-up question to see if I need help. No, not exactly. I'm just struggling to get the necessary spices for a jewel in the weekly rotation ( the 5k crystal cavern spices). This is the setup I'm using and the pace feels unironically glacial.

[limber belfry]

maybe the talent from es which reduces damage and increases multikill

[ornate viper]

wait wich one is that?

[solar seal]

you can try using more burgers instead of the buffers since its a temporary targeted spice. the other thing you'd want to do is check often on your characters while having spice spillage maxed so you don't run into claim cap

[solar seal]

tab 3, talent 5

[limber belfry]

I hadn't been using spice spüillage since i assumed it did the same thing as claiming.... definitely going to have to change that. Thanks.

[junior arrow]

Using more then 1 borger only has a use if you cant make the pet power, otherwise its useless

Miasma makes your 1 borger do 4x the speed, so why have 4 borgers doing 1x speed if you can have 1 do 4x plus other pets

[ornate viper]

ohh that one, but that doesnt lower my kph right

[junior arrow]

Why would it lower your Kph?

[limber belfry]

it increase kph if you have overkill status on a mob

nevermind, i misread your original post sorry

i mentally swapped the bubo and es when you wrote them

[ornate viper]

ohh lol dw

[limber belfry]

Not sure then, tbh. Do you have Doot or gods linked?

[ornate viper]

I have the 2x portal kills god link on both

[limber belfry]

what about prayers? iis it possible you have one activated which increases mob hp? or maybe kill difference? (either fibers of essence or the one which increases multikill

[solar seal]

easier if you provide ss of their sheet/afk windows, cause only so much we can guess at without more info

[teal brook]

new pack with the new update tommorow? any knowers

[ornate viper]

I have the balance of presicion prayer on no others

[ornate viper]

I would but for some reason I cant send any

[jolly talon]

add balance of pain

[limber belfry]

can you provide screenshots?

[solar seal]

!image gottalevel up more

[obtuse orbit]

Why can't I send images?

For moderation purposes, images are not able to be sent until you reach the Copper Bar - Lv.1 (Lv.3 for #1073780959087964210 ). To level up in the discord, just hang out and talk for a bit. Every minute, you will get xp as long as you sent a message. Spamming will not level you up faster, so please don't do it. Try !rank in #bot-commands to see what level you are.

[teal brook]

mine is opposite i have like 16k KpH on ES and only 1,8K on bubo what

[solar seal]

upload images to imgur or other image site and send link

[ornate viper]

ahh

[limber belfry]

otherwise, check maybe your accuracy or if you're dying to mobs without food.

[ornate viper]

not unlocked yett

[ornate viper]

that weird lol

[jolly talon]

unlock it then

[ornate viper]

my acc is high enough its like 50k need 30k

[ornate viper]

lemme check the wiki

[limber belfry]

not sure mate

[solar seal]

is your survivability 100% on both

[ornate viper]

yepp

[solar seal]

yeah i'll just wait til you upload images somewhere, no point just haphazardly guessing

[ornate viper]

fs hold on lol

[teal brook]

bubo must be bad for KpH tho i have 10k+ on everyone and only 1,9K on bubo and they all have the same lvl about same gear same cards no idea why he so bad

[ornate viper]

weird that its opposite for me

[teal brook]

huh i have my vials too all almost lvl4

[solar seal]

either upload images, or upload your profile to !IE or !IT and make it public and we can see more info there

[teal brook]

https://nils_peder.idleonefficiency.com why my bubo trashhh

[ornate viper]

https://imgur.com/a/rfOND1P

here

[jolly talon]

because your only active on your dk? your bubo is a much lower level

[jolly talon]

bro, there is a 75 level difference

[limber belfry]

yeah

[short totem]

anyone that could help me with how to progress gaming after you (finally) get the chemical plant?

[teal brook]

everyone else has way better KpH ik my DK is the best but my bubo is like 85% worse then all my other chars

[ornate viper]

yeah ok but that shouldnt make that big of a difference right

[jolly talon]

at your level, yes it can

[teal brook]

even my 77DK has 4x bubo KpH at same map

[ornate viper]

really?

[limber belfry]

it's nearly half as many levels above. At the very least skill points makes a difference. leveling up in this game actually makes a huge difference, but even moreso when you're at lower levels (100-300).

[teal brook]

may be dumb but do you have attacks eqquiped on ES?

[jolly talon]

there can be many factors, i see your purple bubbles are wors than your orange ones, so thats one point

[ornate viper]

ill focus on lvling for a bit thenn

[jolly talon]

@teal brook bro.. this is why...

[ornate viper]

yea yea I doo

[solar seal]

though you said same damage, your bubo is still ~40% more damage than your ES. that's actually quite significant. also as others mentioned, AFK calcs take into consideration your attacks. have to see your talent investment in your bubo vs. es, particularly a few star talents. with the level difference, your ES could be far worse invested than your bubo to maximize your afk kph

[jolly talon]

get similar equipment on your characters before comparing them

[teal brook]

that is my DK tho

im asking why my BUBO is hot grabage if i compare to any of my other 7 chars and my ES is great KpH even without alch focus

[solar seal]

!subcdamage your vials are abyssmal for where you are. bubo damage highly depends on level 4 vials

[obtuse orbit]

Subclass damage talents explanation (All values assume max talent level of 100)
Apocalypse Zow (Barbarian) - increases damage by 2-5% for every 100k kills on unique mobs Barbarians have. (Only counts kill made by that character | 200k kills doesn't mean 2 zows, it still counts as 1)
Precision Power (Squire) - increases damage by 0.14-6.11% for every refinery rank you have. (Requires 1.5x accuracy of a mob for the effect i.e Rams 2250 would require 3375 accuracy)
Speedna (Bowman) - increases damage by 0.77%-33.9% for every 15% movement speed you have above 100%
Looty Mc Shooty (Hunter) - increases damage by 0.36%-18% for every 50 unique items found (It counts items found by other characters | For an item to count you have to drop and pick them up again)
Virile Vials (Shaman) - increases damage by 0.12-6% for every vial upgraded to green (Green means a level 4 vial | Vials above level 4 still count)
Paperwork Great (Wizard) - 0.69-35% for every 10 stamps in your collection
Skillage Damage (Maestro) - 0.98-33.33% for every 5 levels of your lowest level skill (Yes all 9/9 skills are counted atm)

[ornate viper]

yea about the same lol ill sned some screens

[jolly talon]

i mean, bubo gets really good when the 4th tab gets to like level 200... its pretty normal for some of the classes to have less kph

for now, focus on getting better gear on all your characters, youll see a huge improvement

[teal brook]

really? ive done them basically everyday but had a couple bad days with rolls

[solar seal]

you are in w5 with max w2 vials unlocked. you are missing at least half of the damage you could have from vials alone for bubo

[ornate viper]

https://imgur.com/a/MFBUEkP

[teal brook]

i will eventually but getting DK to w6 first and getting my divinity and skilling up

[jolly talon]

there is also a clear 100+ talent point difference in your bubo and es, level up your es skilling, so he has more point

[teal brook]

but damage aint the real problem he gets the same MK as my others and i cant seem to comprehend why he has so low KpH with same MK 1 shotting everything and having better dmg then over half of my chars

[solar seal]

yeah there are definite disparities in your talents. you can't just say beacuse damage is within 1 degree of separation that they should have same kph. there are so many factors you are not considering and overlooking with such a simplified comparison between your characters. image below is just one of them, and i suspect there are others but your bubo and ES are not equal and saying their kph should be same is just improper

[ornate viper]

ill focus on lvling for a bit thxx

[jolly talon]

not sure what your gear looks like, but upgrade those as well, even using upgrade stone on all of them can give you an easy 20% increase damage

[nova lynx]

woot - didn't die overnight to crystal spawns. thx Kaito for red pot advice (idk if that saved me or if new gear actually helped that much).Off to fix my car all day, bubo prog awaaaay

[solar seal]

i can't speak more man, you have empty gear on IE so we can't even look and compare between your characters to make proper judgements. half don't have gear, other half don't have food/pots equipped. if you gear everyone equally and same level/book investment from talent library, we can visit again why your bubo might be weaker. but as is, there are too many empty holes

[ornate viper]

yeah I forgot that talent when I reset my talent points... ill look trought the charachters some more thxx

[ornate viper]

dementia w5 stones and chesplate and pants from eufenant

[solar seal]

red pots are slept on when you are trying to push map you shouldn't so glad something worked out

[jolly talon]

more than just armour, tools as well. can help a lot with damage

[ornate viper]

have pretty decent tools

[teal brook]

can i kill Kruk with this setup idk i i need to stay there for 1H

[gentle furnace]

1hr wont be enough

[jolly talon]

he has 100b health... thats like 1000 attacks (more like 500 with crits)

im betting 10 mins

[teal brook]

aslong as i takew him tommorow i will get w6 in youst under 4 weeks

[nova lynx]

You won’t be able to kill Kruk because you won’t be able to kill the moles with that damage

If that DK is your highest char I’m pretty sure you won’t take Kruk by tomorrow unless you have super gear stashed in your chest

Pretty sure the consensus is 30-50M max dmg for ES and DK. And you need some pretty high booked skills at that point in progression to do it with that damage. Obviously the closer to 50M (or beyond) the more lenient those book levels become

[noble oar]

Worth trying to candy at this point?

[stable parrot]

Could candy or could just throw someone on it for a bit

If your trying to make some divine armor yea worth it to candy

[noble oar]

I'm guessing everytime I candy I have a tiny chance of rolling it?

Nevermind it took me a couple 4h candies, dropped 2 12h candies and 1 24h candy

[teal brook]

damn ig im stuck for a while cause i got most big dmg upgrades except anvil table 4 weapon and artifacts. but high skilled books? my most prio talents for talent 3 and 4 are arund 160 is that high enough?

[bleak gazelle]

Higher books are always better, but you should probably be able to do it with that much

https://imgur.com/2LOfAb8

Think I had base fury and slug and a decent ES bonus

Might have had atom collider by the time I did mine, but I was also at 100m which is way above what's needed

[gentle furnace]

the % shown is the final number

unless you just got it and havent refresh map

[mossy stratus]

aww shit, little under 2 hours untill i'm a bubo gamer

[terse verge]

Did you already do killroy this week? Could always use that to speed up getting a few books

[potent gust]

I've a dumb question. This is my book range level. Outside of the Sovereign Fury, i'm wondering what i'm missing

[bleak gazelle]

nothing

[potent gust]

so i'm "maxed" i'm not crazy

[bleak gazelle]

https://imgur.com/2LOfAb8

[potent gust]

I was like "hmmm it's quite low"

I need to work on the stuff that ups the max level now

Thanks ❤️

Because yeah during my sampling session yesterday, I finally got Checkout Takeout

[bleak gazelle]

Oh nice

If you use Scoli's autoreview, he has a section now to help with Arctis/Big P levels btw

In the divinity section

[potent gust]

Let me check that fast oh

[bleak gazelle]

Mostly useful for Doot users since they always have Arctis linked, but useful for your ES or anyone else you have on bear, even without doot

[potent gust]

Doot 😦

That thing will change everything

[bleak gazelle]

One day

Trial, I saw you typing in here

[potent gust]

woops

[bleak gazelle]

Ah, looks like you're at a good enough spot for now then

[potent gust]

wellp yeaaah i need to speed up the Divinity

I failed my setup with two of my characters stuck at level 20 since too important

fixed that like 2 weeks ago now they xping fast haha

[bleak gazelle]

you'll get plenty of div levels when you go back for 2100 lab

[potent gust]

and urg that bubble ressources

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, definitely more of an endgame thing, but something to keep in mind

Having said that, I wonder if the breakpoint he listed is the first one on his list or if he has lower values in there too

And we're just past it

[junior dune]

At least you can atom it eventually

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, once NBLB hits it for a week or two

[junior dune]

With full bargain tags and disconnecting the lab vial node it shouldn't be all that bad to do it without NBLB even

But that is late game with a lot of boat upgrades and loot buffs

[strong shale]

Is there a list of mobs per map? Like x amount of spawn in sandy pots etc?

[bleak gazelle]

Closest thing I've got is this old af list

I don't know if it's still accurate or where it came from

[junior dune]

It's kinda similar to https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Game_Mechanics_AFK which also is old af

The numbers are a bit different though

[bleak gazelle]

#midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮 message

[junior dune]

I really wouldn't mind making sure that I'm at base kph cap

I think so since I'm at speed cap, attack speed cap and I think talent afk effect cap

[strong nexus]

what change on the mongo slice vial the cost of my stamp dont really reducing

[bleak gazelle]

10 vman prints today

stamp cost reduction has a cap, so you're probably already at it

[strong nexus]

i shoulnd have it my atom and stamp bonus are already use but i cant reduce the cost of defense stamp at all and mongo hit hard event whit all the def bonus i can get

[bleak shore]

what comes first me getting the recipe or me getting 10b kills on deathnote

[bleak gazelle]

10b

[bleak shore]

[strong nexus]

my money on the 10b

[junior dune]

The expected amount of kills before getting it should be 50 000 000*(1+MK%/100)/DR

[bleak gazelle]

or you can use the royal urn count

if you're below 1k you're goated, if you're above, you suck

[junior dune]

What if you use them for the stamp though

[bleak gazelle]

do you have the recipe

[junior dune]

Nope

[bleak gazelle]

then it doesn't matter either way

[bleak shore]

that is just alot of yapping bc i dont understand any of what u just said im ngl

not tryna be a dick i just have no clue what that means lmao

[weary sonnet]

What locations are suitable for a plague doctor on each world?

[junior dune]

If you give the multikill% and drop rate I can run the numbers. For me it would be something like 12000% I think and 24 dr. That would make my math 50 000 000* (1+12000/100)/24=50 000 000*121/24=250M but I have quite high DR and low mk because of midas

[bleak gazelle]

tremor wurms > oj > flombs > cans > bloques

For w5 > 4 > 3

[junior dune]

Generally it is more efficient to just care about cranium cooking gains and use the active time on a class better for getting the loot you need, that is DK or ES.

A lot of old advice says that bubo is the best for everything, but that is largely because bubo was first.

And it is quite good all around

[bleak shore]

is this what u need

[stable parrot]

More DR

[bleak shore]

5.81x dr the wrong cards was on

cant get any higher rn 😦

[stable parrot]

Also equip skilled dimwit and royal sampler

[bleak shore]

whats dimwit gonna do?

[stable parrot]

For skilling

[bleak shore]

shouldnt i equip this dude for dr?

[stable parrot]

Depends, it’ll change your multikill so it depends

[junior dune]

That would make the expected amount of death note kills just 109M because your MK isn't all that great, but honestly I wouldn't recommend going for the recipe yet. There are likely higher priority things you could do like improving your dr

[bleak gazelle]

MK won't affect rare drops, so it's fine to equip it if you're still one tapping mobs

[stable parrot]

Oh neat

[junior dune]

If you don't have a full set of DR obols I would get that

[bleak gazelle]

Assuming you're not on an ES. Don't ever equip it on an ES or you'll get very sad portal numbers

[stable parrot]

Farm pops in gigafrogs and dice in snelbies

Reroll for higher dr%

[bleak shore]

i got that and a 15% dr sparkle on familia

[bleak gazelle]

oh, gdi, I forgot to move my BB last night. Just needed like 4 hours of AFK time for this one rift and now it's been 16

[junior dune]

Looks like you need some pop obols for the round spots then. You can get them from gigafrogs in W1. Active ES is the fastest way.

[bleak shore]

on the sparkle teir list it says to fragment multikill obols but should i not keep them for vman for portal push skill or does it not effect it?

[bleak gazelle]

yeah that's fine. it's not much but

Assuming you don't have anything better at the time like troll/kruk

[stable parrot]

Multikill obols are ass, the hyper ones aren’t bad bc their multi per tier

[bleak gazelle]

I wonder if a luck sparkle would be better than a flat mk one

[stable parrot]

All stat or afk gains

Troll or kruk obol

[bleak gazelle]

oh, i can splice rift

alright, guess that wasn't a super waste then

[junior dune]

They are not multikill per tier and just a flat 3% per obol for the round spots if silver and rerolled. That would be 72% mk for a full set of round obols which is nothing compared to what you get from other sources

It finally happend!

[proven crescent]

not even for void trial rerun?

[bleak shore]

[junior dune]

I'm afraid I won't die on this round though

That would be many hours of waiting

[bleak shore]

any tips for more crystal chance? (i dont have double card chips)

[stable parrot]

Nah

[proven crescent]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=drop rate

[stable parrot]

Crescent shrine

[proven crescent]

what u recommend for vman obols?

[bleak shore]

its on there

[stable parrot]

Lvl it up more

[bleak gazelle]

IT has a breakdown of each bonus

[proven crescent]

level up king doot and change that boop box card for any with DR

[bleak gazelle]

like so

[junior dune]

Yeah, my defense wasn't quite enough for 150

Was so close to killing the weekest enemies though and and then I could probably have done it

[proven crescent]

srry my bad i think boop box was card DR stupid of me

[bleak shore]

what monster is this? all i know is that thats the name of a song 😂

[stable parrot]

Luck, you get thousands of mk per tier from vman so the obols aren’t worth

[bleak gazelle]

lava thermisters where w5 miniboss is

[proven crescent]

thx

[junior dune]

It's starting to look quite nice ngl

I hope I can get W5 to 120 for the cloud

[proven crescent]

dunno if put cons obols to dk or full dr

[stable parrot]

Probably Dr

[bleak gazelle]

put them on your inactive dk

[junior dune]

From what I've heard do cons obols only work when active, but can be snapshot

[bleak gazelle]

and then just never open the cons table unless you're on him

[proven crescent]

actually both of em are inactive, full active bubo

[junior dune]

That means that they aren't all that great, but can be nice if you will leave your dk active for a long while.

Actually I should just test it to confirm

Cons obols on non-active DK

[proven crescent]

what about rest of classes? im so lost with obols and not much space to store them all

[stable parrot]

Wait how does snapshotting con speed work with all that?

[proven crescent]

put cons obols, enter new map, open construction, then switch to dr obols

[junior dune]

No cons obols on DK after cloudsaving but before accessing them.

[stable parrot]

Does anything change when checking con table on different characters

[junior dune]

After accessing the DK that used to have cons obols (increase because of lvl ups)

[proven crescent]

i didnt check table with different characters or u mess up the snap

[junior dune]

So yeah cons obols don't work when not active

[stable parrot]

Okay, I heard something about con speed being different when checking on bb vs dk and bb was much higher

[junior dune]

You need to access the cog page to snap shot btw. The increase from them was smaller than I remember though

[bleak shore]

So is gold square dice or gold square pop better?

[stable parrot]

Dice

[junior dune]

I would probably say skip the cons obols and do a stat set there instead

[proven crescent]

dk with cons obols, then i change to another player, br keeps at that 6.78 m but if i change map with other player goes down to 6.05

[junior dune]

Everyone should have these 3 obol sets, but after that it is up for discussion imo. I have a second set of dr and a set for the other 4 skills. My last set is currently misc obol storage, but I plan on making it into a stat set soon, but I'm not sure.

[sonic siren]

Oops misclick lol

[proven crescent]

i assume Trialpears and Sepalbloom are right now skilling? that slush obols

[stable parrot]

You lost the snap then

[sonic siren]

Hey guys, I don't quite understand drop rate lol.. I'm trying to get molten core knuckle recipe through afk.. I have a drop rate of x10.. how many hours do I need to afk to get them to drop?

[junior dune]

I just put them there for a convenient screen shot, I usually don't bother changing out the slush obols since I will just forget it when I need to worship or set traps,.

[bleak shore]

whats the best place to farm just straight up obols dont care which just the best dr just for fragmenting?

[mossy stratus]

hey fella's, question. If i want a bigger ES family bonus (max talent lvl) on my bubo

would i lvl this on my bubo or ES? or does that not work

[proven crescent]

each class gives different unique family bonuses, u can check what every class gives in Codex>Family

[mossy stratus]

yes i know, es gives max talent lvl

i want a bigger max talent level given by my es TO my bubo

would i need ot level the family guy talent on my es or bubo for that?

[proven crescent]

it gives for all account if u level up that on bubo will give u higher bonuses from golden foods and +% from all stats

[mossy stratus]

so i lvl it on es

[proven crescent]

just level up to max on every class when u can

[bleak shore]

the more tallent points that are put into ur es (just lvlin up basically) increased the family bonus for ALL chars so its applied to ur bubo and every other character

[teal brook]

turns out the only problem was food cause game never gave me the notification that was a problem

[winter trout]

Is there a vman speed run guide?

[bleak gazelle]

We actually just talked about this a bit earlier today You can read from here on down. The important thing to remember is that multikill doesn't affect rare drops, so you have to divide that out, like in this formula from Trialpears
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[bleak gazelle]

W2 sandy pots

[bleak shore]

preciate it

[bleak gazelle]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1109526896640807002
If you scroll through the thread, there's a picture you can use, there are probably videos out there, too. There should be an infographic somewhere to remind you of bonuses to use, too

[hexed valley]

At what % should I try for the last mutation

[bleak gazelle]

like 0.1 or w/e

Clear your board and roll

Use sprinkler, clear, and roll

Use log, clear, roll, sprinkler, roll

[hexed valley]

Cause I do like 1% at like 1k mutations and fail everytime 😂

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, much better to roll at lower % to get more rolls

[wanton obsidian]

😄

Finally got the last plant

[junior dune]

Nice! Those are a game changer since you can do chem trains now

[wanton obsidian]

I guess it's gaming time

[light herald]

Should I use kitsune rock in gaming? Is it worth to use it

[bleak gazelle]

Early on, if you're only checking like 1-2 times a day, you can keep it off. Otherwise turn it on and never look back (for the most part)

It gets much better as you upgrade it, since the speed increases but the decreased bits stay the same

[wanton obsidian]

I have a question with picking plants, is it worth having more than 3 chem plants in the garden? In the guide it's recommended to have 1-3

[bleak gazelle]

Kind of up to you, unless you're going for the equinox cloud that requires 15

More chems means fewer plants that actually give bits

If you're just regularly picking, I probably wouldn't hold on to too many

[wanton obsidian]

Can you infinitely keep going ?

[bleak gazelle]

Theoretically yes

[sweet nebula]

what should i spend nuts on?

[bleak gazelle]

Both

[wanton obsidian]

Unless bad rng?

[fallow aurora]

returning player?

[sweet nebula]

no

[bleak gazelle]

More or less Growth cycle time matters, too

[wanton obsidian]

Why do you have 1k nuts...?

[sweet nebula]

doot before squierrl unlock

[fallow aurora]

I forgot u get nuts even before unlocking squirrel

[wanton obsidian]

Oh really

[sweet nebula]

is 1000 a lot

[wanton obsidian]

Kinda? In early game

[sweet nebula]

well doot do be broken af

wish i could turn him off some times LOL

[wanton obsidian]

Give him to me 🫶

[sweet nebula]

spent all my luck

[wanton obsidian]

Can I just tap on harvest all?

[bleak gazelle]

There was a QoL change a while back to not hit chems

[solar seal]

you can, or click cactus first then harvest.

[bleak gazelle]

shoulda taken a screenshot of my summoning bonuses before I did all these

[wanton obsidian]

Does that make any difference?

[solar seal]

cactus can level up nearby plants so you get more bits. so it does make a difference, albeit minor

[teal brook]

is this respectabel KpH for pushing w5 or am i missing sumth?

[bleak gazelle]

harvest all seems to randomly pick, so hitting cactus first ensures you get the chance for it to upgrade

Seems good. Can you throw on a speed pot or two and see if it goes up?

[teal brook]

is this fine to buy? lava too nice giving me 2 packs today

[wanton obsidian]

Ahh okok ty

[teal brook]

will see

[bleak gazelle]

I think it's upper-mid tier for packs, 30% DR clock is quite nice

[teal brook]

im capped at 175% MS from one of my chips

[bleak gazelle]

gems are about average for the price

oh, i somehow finished the quest, nice

[teal brook]

gems feel mid to buy now onluy good buys left is last 1 or 2 on storage and fucking yin and yang cogs they youst feel so bad pray w6 gem shop gives me joy

[bleak gazelle]

storage is great though

[teal brook]

yeah but 500gems for 9 when i am not in desperate need feels badge

[bleak gazelle]

That cape is the only DR cape in the game, currently. So up to you, if you have the money, I'd buy it

[teal brook]

atm im youst gamling my spare gems in jewels lol

[bleak gazelle]

Also +1 slab (and maybe +2 if you don't have the card pack yet)

[teal brook]

its 30% on top of the DR i have already right ?

seems better then will give me nice dr boost

[solar seal]

i believe it is additive so don't expect some massive boost

[still apex]

It's additive if that's what you're asking.

[teal brook]

so only a 0,3x then for DR?

iG still fine but i get 72% from emperor on all my chats so not crazy

[bleak gazelle]

DR is DR

[teal brook]

it seems fine and its putting me closer to hvaing 1 cape for all chars

its also next inline according to the gem pack tierlists

[simple wadi]

Ughhhhhh trying to do the last summoning quest with fresh red opponent. Was about 4 minutes in out of the 5 required minutes and accidentally summoned 8 red slimes that shoved the opponent all the way back behind their line and I instantly won.

[bleak gazelle]

rip

[simple wadi]

I was being so careful too ><

[teal brook]

well my biggest obstaces at this point is generally refinery and construction putting a wall between my progression for many things so maybe cogs aint that bad a gem purchase

[flint nova]

!merit

what was the command again

[bleak gazelle]

!merit5

[obtuse orbit]

IMPORTANT: have atom cost reduction when you're starting to produce atoms

1. loot capacity. sailing artifacts are main w5 progression
2. w5 skill xp. you'll be sitting on divinity for a while, and skill levels help so its good to get it started early
3. respawn. portals get huge in w5
4. boss armor. recommended to save 5 points in preparation for boss armor, that way you'll be able to unlock all the pieces without having to do additional tasks
5. tab4 talent points and star talent: you might be low on elite tab talent points and stats when you're new to w5 but there are other sources. you can prioritize these over boss armor if you're not confident in crafting later armor

[flint nova]

thanks

[vapid reef]

hi why do we need 200% crit chance and not 100% crit chance?

[drifting coyote]

megacrit from dungeons

101 crit chance = 1% chance to megacrit

so, 200% crit chance = 100% megacrit chance

[flint nova]

new update lets go

[teal brook]

anyone got the how to use talents sheet? i always loose it

[drifting coyote]

Hopefully that answers your question

[vapid reef]

ooo ok.

[drifting coyote]

Megacrit is very much a late-game thing - you can pretty much ignore it until W6 if you are stubborn

[simple wadi]

Mfer I just did it again. Ughhhhh

[vapid reef]

getting 4 star cards for nebula is acctually decent then

[drifting coyote]

however, when it comes to getting megacrit, you'll want a spreadsheet ready to do the number crunching for 200% crit chance since it varies from toon to toon based on their class choices

[vapid reef]

=.= it doesnt explain alot for the tool tip tbh.

[drifting coyote]

not level 50 telekinetic

200% crit chance = 100% megacrit = every hit does +400% more dmg

[vapid reef]

thanks though.

[drifting coyote]

so x5 dmg ignoring every other buff in the game

[simple wadi]

I wasn't looking for advice. I was showing Ryu where the talent comes from.

[vapid reef]

i already have the talent lol.

i was asking about what he replied perfectly.

[drifting coyote]

I don't see why you wouldn't have it upgraded with 458 points to spare, but you do you shrug

[wanton obsidian]

Am I just unlucky? I'm not getting any Chem plant despite lots of cycles

[teal brook]

and i want it to take 2 days we aint the same

[simple wadi]

And I was told that it should only take three weeks to get 1b kills on all W1 - W5 mobs. People progress differently.

[bleak gazelle]

This one?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vST3HcgBgeq8H9jztaMhUXZAAAHl120PvDVo_48qJpn6n9qnpa-TWmuG_kN9cmtr66M-OtO482XIOAk/pubhtml#

[simple wadi]

Apologies, I'm in a bad mood today. That being said, unsolicited advice isn't always welcome and you should stick to people asking for help.

[teal brook]

my lord back at the rescue always clutching with these.

[simple wadi]

Ace seems to have this entire discord's directory of helpful cheatsheets memorized.

[teal brook]

yeah for sure he got those big pant pockets youst waiting to pull stuff out

[wanton obsidian]

Am I just unlucky? I'm not getting any Chem plant despite lots of cycles

[bleak gazelle]

rng be rng

[simple wadi]

They're the rarest plant. Give it time.

[wanton obsidian]

I dont get it, I had 2 Chem plant at tier 4-5 but idk if my luck is just garbage but it's not working for me

Do I not have enough cycle speed?

[simple wadi]

What is it that you're trying to accomplish?

I mean, you aren't guaranteed a chem plant.

[wanton obsidian]

I was told that when you unlock Chem plant you can keep ganing up infinitely

[simple wadi]

Not sure who told you that, but that's certainly not the case. Good RNG will sustain you for a bit, but you'll eventually run into a dry spell.

[sweet shoal]

So, when a plant is grown and I don't pick it it evolves? Or does it spawn evolved by chance?

[simple wadi]

It has a chance to evolve each growth cycle.

[sweet shoal]

Yeah that's what the text says but I don't know what that means 🤔

What is a growth cycle

[simple wadi]

Just means it'll evolve over time. All plants spawn in their tier 1 form.

[sweet shoal]

Thanks, that's what I wanted to know 🙂

[bleak gazelle]

If you open the Fertilizer tab, you'll see your growth cycle, when you have Kitsune, if you turn it on, the speed increase will be reflected in that, as well

And if you open the Mutation tab, you'll see your % chance to evolve

[bleak gazelle]

Theoretically, you can, but it's all rng at the end of the day

[sweet shoal]

Yeah but that could also be read as "chance to spawn evolved", that's why I was confused before I got the answer 🙂

[teal brook]

should i start making better cogs the second i get the lvl for it even tho i need to take out a char that gives a good amount of building progression?

[bleak gazelle]

Yes, unless you're super close to unlocking a new building. DK build rate from levels will quickly outpace any other build rate source

And new cogs usually means higher bonuses

These poor world 1 folks #bug-reports-🐛 message

oh, sb up to 4T now, thanks summoning

[teal brook]

any better gear i could get before i push w6? i got 3/4 void tools everything has been W5 upgrade stoned

[bleak gazelle]

Nah, not unless you can get troll legs/boots or opals from dungeon

[teal brook]

im TD capped cant get souls for 4th anvil table but got the rss for alot of the tools and weapon upgrade already sadly troll a lil too far away to the forever refinery grind

[bleak gazelle]

Are you using these when you claim blue souls?

That should get you a few more

[teal brook]

yeah but i am stuck at wave 20 atm so i get like 70 souls with them too

need to save enough warship power so i can use my archer to help with the little yellow stun balls

[sacred bison]

no ballons or candys for divinity progress?

[bleak gazelle]

No, all w5 skills are timegated, similar to w4 I believe

[sacred bison]

bummer 😄

[bleak gazelle]

Don't forget to check out the 📌 as well

[teal brook]

is the sheet for how much dmg you need for kattlekruk taking inot account the bonus dmg from Precision power on DK=?

[bleak gazelle]

Yes, because that shows up on your character sheet damage

[teal brook]

aha then i got absolutely no idea where the last 8mil dmg are supposed to come from lol

[bleak gazelle]

Alch, stamps, cards, starsigns, po box, equinox, meals, artifacts, divinities, dungeon flurbos, and talents are all sources of damage

That 35m is just a decent spot to full auto it, you can do it with less

[teal brook]

ah okey then im good. but if a greenstack an item is it always greenstacked or what happenes if it droppes under 10mil again?

[bleak gazelle]

You lose the greenstack bonus

[sacred bison]

fianlly building the voidinator 😄 months in the making

[hoary oracle]

hello everyone

[sacred bison]

sup

[bleak gazelle]

TD gains gonna go brrrr

[hoary oracle]

im good

i finally got a 100% chance offering for nubisect so thats good. just gotta save up some more points!

[bleak gazelle]

Nice, think I had to rely on 100%s for all of my gods except one

[hoary oracle]

wait you have to buy storagae chests in new update lol

[bleak gazelle]

Yeah, he made most of W1 stuff be purchaseable so that people will pay attention to it and realize that it's there

[hoary oracle]

ok

[fast wolf]

div grind over soon (for now...)

[fervent gate]

How do I get more damage then 2 mil?

[fast wolf]

stamps, gear

[bleak gazelle]

Alch, stamps, cards, starsigns, po box, equinox, meals, artifacts, divinities, dungeon flurbos, and talents are all sources of damage

[fast wolf]

talents, alchemy

wheres that alchemy flow chart?

[fast wolf]

yo W arcade rotation

[bleak gazelle]

oh, it changed?

[fast wolf]

it did

should i make optimizations?

[teal brook]

yes why so much capacity?

[fast wolf]

bags

oh ye i put loads of points in that

bc i didnt know abt bags

imma fix that

[teal brook]

yeah 1 reset stone into speed and gucci

also alch big spered boost to production

[fast wolf]

alr more gains

[south agate]

is there any point in stoning the lab shoes/rings

[fast wolf]

MORE GAINS

[steep kiln]

more wis for more efficiency

[wanton obsidian]

How long would it take to stack up 14 Chem plant

[misty gyro]

Anyone know why my Codex isn't updating this properly?

[short sparrow]

Ooh the early summoning levels actually feel bearable now

[fiery wagon]

So which one is it? Same map or same world? 🙈

[simple wadi]

World. If they're placed in the W5 town, then only characters in W5 will count towards leveling the shrines

[fiery wagon]

Alright thanks for clarifying 👍

[simple wadi]

But characters in every other world will get their benefit

[warm pike]

20000000k damage 😐🙏

[fallow aurora]

just say 20b

[wanton obsidian]

Wow nice 20000000000 dmg

[warm pike]

ikr it’s so cool to have 2000000000000000 x 0.00001 damage

[nova lynx]

This is based off your lab bonus. If you have the lab bonus for world shrine spread then anyone in that world will level it. Otherwise, only people on that map will level it.
Regardless, everyone everywhere receive the perks now.

[solar seal]

i should make an infographic that clarifies lab bonus vs. sailing artifact so its visually easy to understand

[strong shale]

Stronk

[half sparrow]

Is there a sailing chart?

[solar seal]

unfortunately not since there isn't any sailing specific gear. if you want some helpful info, i suggest looking at the sailing tab in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

[worldly lagoon]

im up to 121022000000000000 dmg

[fallow aurora]

thats a lot of 0's

[worldly lagoon]

i ran out of fingers it was hard

[warm pike]

I dislike you😐🙏

[warm pike]

lol you need to nerf yourself

[worldly lagoon]

im like 3 digits below the "end game" players xD

[warm pike]

You probably have 1000000000000 dmg without any talents

[warm pike]

technically you only have 60000x my damage🙏

[worldly lagoon]

yeah barely higher

[warm pike]

ikr

It’ll be like 10000x after I get my first power tri bubble

hopefully I’ll be able to get to 1T damage after I get those bubbles to a decent level

[worldly lagoon]

gotta get ur dmg up to my build rate XD

[warm pike]

I’m at 700k build rate😭

[worldly lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-good-job-patpat-gif-25554349

[strong shale]

300k here ✊ 😔

[warm pike]

Equinox fish vial is actually pretty useful for it

[strong shale]

Oooh

[warm pike]

Also low gun your stats are so bipolar you have way more cooking speed than me🙏

[strong shale]

LMFAO

Just focused some things and others not so much

[strong shale]

Gots to bargain that diamond chef asap

[warm pike]

Who is your strongest character😭🙏

[strong shale]

Probs my dk, i think it was at 45km?

[warm pike]

you did not js say 45 thousand million

[strong shale]

I did

45000m

45 kilometers 🤣

[warm pike]

I need a week to pass that because my alchemy is TERRIBLE

[worldly lagoon]

<.< 11100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 cooking speed

[warm pike]

or more probably my luck is ass too

[strong shale]

Nahh just gotta get cranium cooking

[warm pike]

who have you gained😭

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