lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[finite lake]

The card doubler is honestly the biggest one right now

Lucky Lad is my highest DR trophy at the moment, so that can wait

[snow light]

i have 3 bottom rights one top left

i have lucky lads just no one to hold onto them and make the luckier lad not enough lucky lads either way i should mention

[finite lake]

I think I'm only around 28 LLs. Been a little bit since I've counted

[unique ridge]

Will I immediately remove all the other plants until the new plant emerges?

[snow light]

depends on where you are tbh

[unique ridge]

What do you want to say?( I don't know English sorry)

[snow light]

what plants do you have right now?

[north wren]

Just in time
http://puu.sh/K0U6n/7bb9d91375.png
http://puu.sh/K0U6B/75dfc49666.jpg

[snow light]

i currently have 34 LLs if i dont count the ones i have equipped on my characters

[snow light]

.01% RESEARCH

[unique ridge]

Should I use Kitsune?

[unreal yacht]

i was stuck on x45 nugget for ages finally got a 100x nugget

progress atleast

I need chem trains but me no have it unlocked 0.1% chance man

[finite lake]

I hard pushed for the equinox nugget upgrade and just finally got it the other day. Gone from 7557 to 29,580

[ivory arch]

Updateing my traps rn man these are tedius to craft

[unreal yacht]

I need that thing so bad!

[ivory arch]

But my current higest trap so far

[unreal yacht]

nuggets has been horrible

[snow light]

roll .01% rolling 1000 .01% is better than 1 0.1% for that plant

[unreal yacht]

i realized how easy it is to get dna so it not too bad

[finite lake]

It's not fully been worth the push yet, but after a few more points into it, it really adds up

[unique ridge]

I can't get the new plant without research this, right?

[unreal yacht]

better than nothing for sure

aanybody know if i log into my laptop will all my skills and cards be reset or it just if i log out?

[eternal wasp]

Second preset and cards on second preset will reset

[unreal yacht]

I had a feeling wanted to confirm ty

[stiff swan]

W4 purple mush miniboss, you just have to drop oil barrel at the purple mushrooms I thought? Not working am I dumb

[eternal wasp]

Toxic oil

[shy spindle]

there needs to be mushrooms there

[eternal wasp]

^

[shy spindle]

and yeah toxic and i think radioactive, not the normal barrels

Realistically do you think I could defeat the world 5 boss with this setup?

I understand alchemy, stamps, obols etc are factors, just assume they aren't terrible

[snow light]

probably it would take some time without a doubt but you could do it if you are patient enough is that with all dmg cards equipped?

[shy spindle]

Yeah it is, I have these guys equiped

I can build better gear and weapons, I just don't want to use w5 stones on them with w6 around the corner! i have 200 Hampters farmed and it took aaaaages, so I wanna be smart about this

[snow light]

id suggest something like this for dmg cards cause all those cards contribute to dmg in some way and card set if you can help it right now since your objective is just to kill kruk i am assuming

[shy spindle]

thanks, I'll save this for when I get to kruk 🙂

also when you said it will take a long time do you mean a long time to get to the kruk level (im killing 15k an hour and on fire spirits atm) or do you mean the actual boss fight will take a long time, if it's the boss fight, are we talking hours? lol

[snow light]

depends on your dmg i wouldnt fight regular kruk till i could do like 100M-1B (dmg numbers that show up i mean not tool tip dmg) so it doesnt take too long

1 down many more to go...

[eternal wasp]

Possible ig

[fallen torrent]

tomorrow i should be getting 200GS 🙂

[pine yacht]

BB does need more dmg tho, so it would be a pain in the ass and a half to say the least

someone like Bubo, ES or DK might prove easier, just due to their aoe and skills scaling

[glacial cairn]

what talent level should orb of rememberance be at? i currently have it maxed at 310 but it seems to overstack orbs and therefore lose orb stacks

[pine yacht]

it should be maxed, but your boxes shouldnt

[glacial cairn]

po boxes?

[pine yacht]

yes

mana one in particular

[glacial cairn]

gotchu is there a sweet spot for the mana box on dk?

or just no crates at all

[pine yacht]

definitly not no crates

[proven iron]

Gaaaame the hell is this

[pine yacht]

but it varies with each point in talent, so u have to test that yourself

[glacial cairn]

alright thanks appreciated

[sharp mauve]

Autoloot?

[haughty ivy]

!merit 5

[eternal wasp]

Only plunder coins

[haughty ivy]

How does this work again?

[eternal wasp]

Sad
Don't use kick

[eternal wasp]

Without spaces

[haughty ivy]

!merit5

[obtuse orbit]

IMPORTANT: have atom cost reduction when you're starting to produce atoms

1. loot capacity. sailing artifacts are main w5 progression
2. w5 skill xp. you'll be sitting on divinity for a while, and skill levels help so its good to get it started early
3. respawn. portals get huge in w5
4. boss armor. recommended to save 5 points in preparation for boss armor, that way you'll be able to unlock all the pieces without having to do additional tasks
5. tab4 talent points and star talent: you might be low on elite tab talent points and stats when you're new to w5 but there are other sources. you can prioritize these over boss armor if you're not confident in crafting later armor

[haughty ivy]

Tks

[keen berry]

Why a bubonic wear a glove 👀

[snow light]

cause it is for CC time and making it easier to spread aura skill

[unreal yacht]

wait a min

why dont i have w5 merit how did i forget about it

thought it wasnt added in i guess lmao

[keen berry]

How much damage reduced

[snow light]

not too much for me

hold on i am resetting traps right now

[unreal yacht]

Oh im such an idiot man i just never did the quest

[keen berry]

What wave is this 😂

[proven iron]

Like 100

But i guess i just desynched hard

Those were in every wave

[keen berry]

Is this the one in world 1

[proven iron]

Yeah i'm trying to hit 121 at the very edge of my strength

[keen berry]

Very tough indeed

[patent hatch]

Flex as hard as you can

Only way to do it

[snow light]

40 hour royals were the trap to place right?

[ashen marsh]

are there hints on preparing for w6? ima just candy the rest of w5 just need 1 map

[pine yacht]

https://canary.discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1203735391656476683

[ashen marsh]

arigato gozaimasu

[pine yacht]

the lesser time u can handle the better, I myself am on 10 h royals and 8 h nat for vman

[cyan mantle]

Yo guys do wormhole kills count for deathnote

[hexed elm]

sad that baba yaga doesnt drop w1 keys

[pine yacht]

yes

[unreal yacht]

did we have a doc on obols

tryna figure which ones to keep and trash

[pine yacht]

mainstat ones u can generally trash

[snow light]

eh looks like 5B dmg reduction for swapping over not bad but i can one shot every mob - bosses with this build

[pine yacht]

I just realized I havent maxed out my bubo's weapon...

[snow light]

ty but i am lazy sadly and will not be checking in that often especially when my phone desyncs and doesnt cloudsave the things i do on the go so playing at home with a PC is the only way i can play right now

[stuck elbow]

hmm should i level up the left one now

[cyan mantle]

Apparently they don't according someone else

So I'm confused now

[proven basin]

no they dont

[pine yacht]

ah right, they dont count but they do increase it indirectly by respowning "actual" mobs

mb

[proven iron]

I guess my work pc is just not strong for such advanced game as idleon TD.
Ghost minis with 0 hp are running out of the crowd every time

[unreal yacht]

I guess bubo is best class for death note huh

[proven iron]

I wonder is it worth it to bubo shrooms at my stage

[unreal yacht]

sheesh ima put this pc to the test when i can do high round TDs 😂

[pine yacht]

for DN u could go active bubo and afk SB+BB

[unreal yacht]

True

[pine yacht]

if u need the cards for that particular mob as well as mats, ES might still be worth over Bubo

[unreal yacht]

Im on ES rn farming cards and rare drops so i agree always worth to use ES

[pine yacht]

his kill count is a bit lower, but card + mat drops may be worth it

[unreal yacht]

i cannot wait to start my statue grind

should boost acc more

[proven iron]

Yeah those guys are definitely rooted. I can see that

[unreal yacht]

Oh dang

[proven iron]

They do not take hp because they are dead obviously, but they DO interract with kraken

Meaning that it sucks. A lot

[hexed pine]

[hexed elm]

yeah being able to use multiple keys at a time for bosses would be so good

400 separate chiz kills

[proven iron]

You can, its called nightmare boss

[hexed elm]

yeah but you only get like 1 gem per nightmare kill

[proven iron]

In all seriousness i doubt that lava intended that normal bosses would be more valuable than nightmare

[hexed elm]

lol youre probably right

could fix that by multiplying basic drops by amount of keys used

[proven iron]

He probably should just slap a fix on nightmare bosses or something

But i guess he didnt intend to give like 40 gems per nightmare boss

[hexed elm]

yeah kinda sucks that most of the value of nightmare bosses comes from their obols

[mortal stratus]

Hey can you tell me how to farm power statues very fast

[snow light]

and cards

[hexed elm]

high drop/crystal rate

if you dont have high of either it will take you a while

[snow light]

and chocco chip

very important to have that nano chip

[mortal stratus]

Where should I farm it

[hexed elm]

beans

[snow light]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[proven iron]

I gave up on td while im at work. Sadge. My pc really cant handle it. I think i can do 121 at home without ghost goblins

[hexed elm]

if you dont have chocy chip it will probably take you a long time

but a chocy drops feb 29th

[mortal stratus]

Ok

[hexed elm]

super statue farming is kinda a not early game thing

and without super statue farming 20k of most statues will take a while

[snow light]

W3 is a slog at least it has felt like a slog compared to the other worlds

[hexed elm]

yeah i agree

especially if you dont use food

[snow light]

food?

[hexed elm]

yeah

[snow light]

i mean idk how food would get me to get more of the statues faster

[hexed elm]

i interpreted this as progressing through w3

as in not w4 unlocked yet

[snow light]

ah its ok lol i understand now lol

[open lava]

never thought my biggest enemy in doing kruk would be getting the damn key

[snow light]

you will get it eventually maybe try the afk route leave that character there afk for an hour or two

[open lava]

might have to do that my bubo only has 5.5 dr so thats a big issue

[snow light]

shouldnt be too bad with bubo what is your aura size? and tentacleye talent level

[open lava]

tenteycle is 200 auras 175 so 6 auras

[snow light]

yeah it shouldnt be too bad how long have you been trying to get keys?

[open lava]

about 15 mins now

[snow light]

ah that is fine maybe by the 20 or 30 min mark you will get a key at that DR maybe a little sooner if you are lucky

[open lava]

cant wait for kruk hopefully i am prepared

[snow light]

bubo should be a quick kill imo cause aura has such high dps compared to other attacks

[open lava]

well all i can do is hope is push comes to shove afk method it is

[snow light]

i wish you luck adeepta you pushed far to get this far from where you were

[proven iron]

Baseline kruk is a pushover more or less but i guess it can vary depending on how much your damage sucks

[open lava]

thanks

[snow light]

my dmg suck real good i have trouble with nightmare kruk on my Vman so i decided to stop fighting nightmare kruk and push statues for onyx power boost since Vman can boost statues to give double bonus

[exotic juniper]

wooh finaly got this with how many points you get this week from the accuracy shimmer

[craggy fern]

I wish I had acc shimmer too

always guild points 😦

[exotic juniper]

also got this today from trash island. good day haha

[snow light]

get those all stats break into the 5 digit main stat or 5 digit all stat range

it is an achievement i wish to reach one day

[shy spindle]

thanks x

[shy spindle]

thanks x

[hexed elm]

are caustic scarfs better than divine scarfs for active?

just wondering for the sake of trashing extra scarves

took about 2 hours 6.33x dr dk

[graceful tinsel]

you decide

[hexed elm]

what about active tho

[graceful tinsel]

im 99% sure divine scarf is much better

[hexed elm]

do you still have a caustic you could compare the damage with

[graceful tinsel]

i might lemme look

[hexed elm]

also are those w5 upgrade stones or kruk

[graceful tinsel]

w5 i hate kruk stones

[hexed elm]

same

rng on an expensive bis piece of gear? no ty

[graceful tinsel]

yea divine gives me more dmg

[hexed elm]

alright awesome good to know ty

will trash my excess

[gilded pond]

Question on upgrade stones. If I use stones on a set of gear, then upgrade that gear, it basically negates the stones I just used, right? Those stats don't carry over?

[viscid mulch]

No the stones are voided

It’s basically a brand new piece of equipment now, with no stones or stone related stats until you add new stones

In short, no the stats and stones don’t carry over

[misty spindle]

is laaaary the first bubble I should try to atom to his best %

[viscid mulch]

When should I move my focus from leveling my characters to getting kills for vman? My furthest character is currently at late world 5

[pine yacht]

the real question is if dine is better than kattle one

[signal dome]

about the lab, do people have to be on the left/right in the main frame or in the tubes to get bubo boosts?

[pine yacht]

most likely not

[misty spindle]

yes

[pine yacht]

yes

[signal dome]

wait so in mainframe, like where you connect with lines they have to be in the left/right?

[viscid mulch]

Yes

[signal dome]

or from outside where you put them in order

[misty spindle]

depends what buff you want

[viscid mulch]

In the connection area

[pine yacht]

ye, at least to 100%

[signal dome]

ah i was confused lmao

[viscid mulch]

^

[viscid mulch]

Bros askin in the wrong world channel

But it’s all good

[misty spindle]

maybe till level 500?

seems like a clean number lol

[red zephyr]

Why do people get kills for vman for what??

[empty cobalt]

If your in w5 rn, you should be able to get the kills for vman done easily so I’d get that done asap if you haven’t done it yet

[empty cobalt]

There is a part of the vman quest that requires 1 mil DN kills for w1-w3

So you can have your other characters do that while farming the lvls needed to start the quest

[red zephyr]

Whats dn

[empty cobalt]

Deathnote

[red zephyr]

Oh

[viscid mulch]

My highest level character is my dk at 370ish and I am active on my bubo doing cc atm while I level up everyone else in world 6 since some are p low

[autumn ledge]

So I need a lucky lad drop from my Vman for equinox...
I also like to farm for my knucklers. Is it smart to go there? Is the drop rate influenced by multikill? In other words: should I just go to gmush for lucky lad?

[empty cobalt]

I’d have DK and your ES’s (if you have multiple) afk farm your kills. You can also use your BB’s as they need them for Zows/Chows but up to you

[misty spindle]

dont expect lucky lad from mobs

the best way for lucky lad is dreadlo

[autumn ledge]

Mining?

[steady beacon]

where does this bonus come from?

[autumn ledge]

Welp, that's news. Could you explain?

[empty cobalt]

It says it right there lol

[steady beacon]

no, i mean what unlocks it?

[empty cobalt]

Superbits iirc

[misty spindle]

dreadlo specifically has a big chance to give you lucky lad, same as palm trees but it depends what you can do faster, mining speed/chopping speed

[autumn ledge]

Ok awesome, I'll look into that.

[empty cobalt]

It’s one of the first superbit upgrades you get

[autumn ledge]

Also; any idea if it needs to be actively?

[steady beacon]

oh, really? I thought it was an endgame thing. 😄

[misty spindle]

never ever ever actively skill

skilling should always be afk

[empty cobalt]

Nah, if you grind gaming early enough you can start getting the superbit bonuses

[autumn ledge]

That I know, but for the equinox achievement?

[misty spindle]

nah man

[empty cobalt]

Just don’t be surprised by their costs cause they do be expensive

[misty spindle]

you can get it while afk

[autumn ledge]

Thanks a bunch

[misty spindle]

👍

[wild python]

Why is the reward so useless

[misty spindle]

why didn't lava just make the reward better is he stupid?

[autumn ledge]

5% class exp is massive when w3 was endgame

It's hard for him to keep track of everything when he adds new functionality I think. Not everything is "re"balanced
Since it's hard for us to keep track of everything as well :-p

As a fellow developer I can only appreciate in what way he actually keeps track of his whole code base

[swift rose]

also tbh something from w3 shouldnt scale beyond that

that was "w3 endgame" which was, 2 worlds ago. similar to playing wow and wanting something from 2 expansions ago to be relevant

[quiet viper]

should actually be happy it's ever so slightly useful 3 worlds later, if you do a wow comparison

[misty spindle]

what do you think he's code looks like when it comes to class XP calculations, you think its one big "bus" where he adds all the different bonuses?

[quiet viper]

where only trinkets out of previous expansions could be somewhat useful in certain situations..

[swift rose]

on god lol

[quiet viper]

atleast 5% exp will scale with higher monster exp forever ^_^

[autumn ledge]

Think or want? :-p
I would want it is what you say.
It's a centralised place where everything comes together and he can play with (unit) tests if he wants to tweak certain elements that influence it

[misty spindle]

Im a student coder so I was just wandering if my estimation of the logic was right

[wild python]

The thing is 5% class exp are like 10-20GT level even in W3 that was way quicker than completing 1000 Dungeon tasks

[noble mesa]

R this new?

The name is solar...

[teal lynx]

Not available rn

[noble mesa]

I gess its the next tier in dungen

[teal lynx]

Yeah. They are "implemented" like Godshard ore, but aren't in the game yet

[noble mesa]

[quiet viper]

xaya, still no lucky lad at beans ;_; been at it for like 24 hours now with 15.54 dr on dk.. am i missing something? like, luck? 😉

atleast im progresing on everything else

[slender sandal]

Make sure it's not filtered

[quiet viper]

i did, thrice

haha

[teal lynx]

Definitely a bit on the unlucky side then

I got several a day at 22.yyx

[autumn ledge]

From a student perspective it's more than right. The "sad" thing is that a single developer in a fast moving product will probably take (a lot of) shortcuts.
Like I see here, 5% has impact "here and there". Testing should be able to take care of that, see if everything is balanced and stays balanced.

All in all, Lava get's a lot of shade because of reasons (companions being the most of it), but as a single dev & graphic designer he does a lot of awesome work

(imho)

[misty spindle]

thats true yeah

he has to live and pay the bills as well

[wild python]

This needs to get some more attention being a solo dev is really hard and idleon is a solid game

[hexed elm]

does the unlink cd for div reset whenever you unlink? or is there an invisible cd

like i know it shows the cd when you use your unlinks but i wanna save mine until theyre about to reset

[wild python]

Weekly reset with the minibosses and such

[hexed elm]

ah okay

[misty spindle]

considering how much free stuff lava gives I cant be mad at him for companions

[hexed elm]

agreed

[misty spindle]

he doesn't inherently owe us anything

especially f2p players

[wild python]

A lot of people just want doot xD

[misty spindle]

the only thing to critisize is that he changed the description on steam

[hexed elm]

yeah doot is a game changer but im not gonna spend money and its kinda a singleplayer game

so i dont feel too bad for not having him

[wild python]

YEah but the QoL is insane

maybe I will get him this week

[hexed elm]

many unlocks are probably relatively as insane

[wild python]

.57% chance

[hexed elm]

0

[wild python]

Im only missing doot got the slug a week ago

[misty spindle]

still, you surely got most other companions for free

[hexed elm]

does your treat get eaten up if you get rift slug

[wild python]

no

[hexed elm]

or is it only doot

nice

[wild python]

still at 2x

[hexed elm]

im at same odds as you

[wild python]

and yes I havent bought any pets with cash

I got another sheep

[misty spindle]

bro. 57 is nothing Ive hit lower bets

[wild python]

Ram and Sheep are also insane for QoL

[misty spindle]

game changers

ive got hundreds if not thousands from leveling up

nothing else

[tidal ice]

I mean green gems are cash shop only which is why people are upset, everything before that generally was achievable through time and/or effort invested and that is changing with green gems (and the pack exclusive bonuses like 1.2 multi DR)

[wild python]

Where are the new TD strats I cant find them?

[wild python]

You get a free spin each week

[tidal ice]

if there was a way to farm green gems or any system to exchange pets then it wouldnt nearly be as much of a discussion point as it is now or was in the past

[wild python]

Thats more than enough

[sweet pine]

search the TD name in here and you may find some picture of it

[wild python]

thx

[worldly gulch]

i made some trapping obols for my BM and i wonder..

1. do they only work for his personal traps, or do i also gain something for the other chars?
2. when do i actually need to equip them? when planting or when harvesting traps?
3. do i need to equip them on ALL chars during {answer of question 2} ?

[wild python]

I skipped a few weeks and still got almost all pets

[misty spindle]

he doesnt owe you the possibility to farm green gems, you still got game changing bonuses

[final dove]

1. they work for all traps that are placed when being on that char
2. when placing traps
3. no

[misty spindle]

Also the game free

[uncut owl]

It's been a while...

[zealous niche]

True, it just broke the pattern of everything else in a big way

[tidal ice]

its just a blanket statement, nobody owes me anything you're right

aside, the pet system has a bunch of other problems that arent directly related to the p2w aspect like being locked out of first tier pets if you get unlucky enough or that trading (still) isnt a thing

[misty spindle]

he is working solo from what I heard, is rushing and pumping out W6, most of the things he adds get addressed and changed later which I think is understandable

[azure spindle]

Lava making money on the game has never been a problem for people, it's more of the manner of which the companion system in particular was implemented (gacha format), and seemingly betraying the ideals that he himself had previously set to a degree

[misty spindle]

he could very well not let us earn regular gems too, its his good will, and a good marketing strategy, to provide you with a good grindy game

[misty spindle]

agreed, still think that as an average f2p I cant complain

[tidal ice]

no denying that, I dont have to be a developer to know that a one man job is a lot of problem solving

[hexed elm]

idk i think if you dont mind gacha games being a thing you cant really complain about companions

otherwise youre kinda just picking and choosing based on something that affects you

[tidal ice]

but what enigmadreamer said is my point, theres a big shift in how f2p and p2w was approached if you compare normal gems and the newer stuff like green gems or bundle bonuses

[misty spindle]

pretty much

[tidal ice]

if the game was set up from the ground with gems being a cash only option, the playerbase is used to that and not surprised if a new system like companions follows the same rules

[azure spindle]

also, there's a lot of things Lava has gotten right and done well, but that doesn't give a free pass on the things that aren't or at least it shouldn't

[hexed elm]

yeah but thats on the playerbase to adapt to it

[misty spindle]

or leave

[spring salmon]

who is the best to push when world 6 drops

[hexed elm]

inherently i would say es

for all around

[misty spindle]

if at any point you feel like the game lost its charm you can leave, and I know its a shitty thing to say but you cant really influence lava

[azure spindle]

might have problems with damage though if you're trying to active push

[hexed elm]

i dont think im "giving lava a pass" for playing the game as he releases it

[misty spindle]

Id say DK maybe?

[rustic cedar]

is this talent really good when you wanna focus on getting artifact??

[hexed elm]

also i think a large part of the community did not give him a pass

[tidal ice]

you can state your issues with a game or parts of it without being forced into the binary option of leaving or staying, you can still appreciate the game for what it is even with the problems it can have

[tidal ice]

depends on how often you check sailing, if its once a day or less then the talent is good
if you check it every few hours then dont use it at all

[hexed elm]

i understand the dissatisfaction with companions but i really think most people overblow it

[azure spindle]

I think one of the main problems that came of it is that this game is so heavily reliant on the community, and by introducing the companion system the way it was was very much akin to spitting in the face of said community

[pseudo blaze]

if u are gone for more than 12 hours at a time yes

[azure spindle]

at least to some degree

[hexed elm]

its okay to feel bad sometimes at the advantages other people have that you wont necessarily have but i think you kinda gotta get over it at some point

[misty spindle]

I agree, but if you want to "impact" him at all you have to just leave

[hexed elm]

also it feels like lava has put wayyyy too much work into the game for it to still be f2p tbh

[misty spindle]

Id agree had he not given you a free pet every week

that too but he makes the game f2p for a goos reason

it brings him players

[hexed elm]

yeah i know, im just saying in order for him to continue to be able to update the game he has to get paid

[misty spindle]

who would buy this game for 5-15 dollars without at least hearing about it from a friend or somewhere

[hexed elm]

unless you want new worlds being released at like half the rate

[hexed elm]

a lot of people

[tidal ice]

f2p is good for establishing a playerbase and growing a community and is then usually funded by the top 1-10% spenders

[hexed elm]

$5-10 indie games are in right now

[misty spindle]

and guess how many would try this game if its free, a shit ton of a lot people

[hexed elm]

yes im not arguing that

it seems nowadays that the most profitable games are f2p but have in game transactions

[misty spindle]

unfortunately

[hexed elm]

i think thats a good thing

tbh

[misty spindle]

its a "shit out a game now and maybe fix later" system

[hexed elm]

yeah but that doesnt really matter to most people

[tidal ice]

games as a service

[hexed elm]

maybe most gamers

[misty spindle]

it ruined a lot of games but it did give life to others

[hexed elm]

but games have become a lot more accessible to the public because of the f2p rmt models

[misty spindle]

it seems youre unfortunately right seeing as most AAA games today are unfinished garbage

[hexed elm]

a lot of successful games are f2p with no p2w transactions like fortnite

[misty spindle]

and you see a lot more shit put out

[hexed elm]

yeah

[azure spindle]

so the thing is, before companions I would say as a whole the community felt more open and responsive with lava as a whole. Part of that being Lava himself was more present in discord as well as streaming every so often. He would actively participate and gain feedback. Furthermore, by Lava's own goals stated when originally developing the game he wanted to make a fun game that didn't prey upon players like big devs do and the community was behind it. So while the revenue from companions does give more resources to advertise the game and get more players, what was traded off the the cohesiveness of the player base and their support

[hexed elm]

i think f2p rmt games are the sweet spot of gaming

[hexed elm]

yeah but i also feel like a large part of his playerbase wasnt around during the early days

or not very active at least

[misty spindle]

I still don't see companions as him praying on us, especially with a free one every week. Its a slippery slope but only time will tell if he's gonna fall

[misty spindle]

whats rmt mean?

[hexed elm]

real money transaction

aka micro transaction

[misty spindle]

When done right maybe

[tidal ice]

the doot pity is definitely just a means to comply with gambling regulations which only happened because it got pulled off ios store iirc

[hexed elm]

well that mightve also been because of mass reports

[misty spindle]

I look at team fortress 2 and how it lived, and it really has started a lot of trends we hate today yet theyve done it so well

[elfin idol]

Its a massive amount of fomo, and not done right. The price shouldnt increase per tier, you shouldnt be locked from lower pets as you progress just to name 2

[misty spindle]

brother forget the doot for a second, youre missing a whole forest because of one tree. I got almost every other companion and most people did

[tidal ice]

no, it simply goes against regulations to have a gamba with a pity system theres a reason why every game has some form of pity system with their lootboxes

[hexed elm]

ive never heard of that

so i wouldnt know

[misty spindle]

same

[tidal ice]

thats the first time I mention doot but go off

[azure spindle]

I honestly think that if Lava had just marketed companions different it would've been fine or a least a lot better. If it had been shown as a p2w mechanic with a little taster for f2p it would've been fine, or at least better

[misty spindle]

Aight I mixed you with other people mb

[hexed elm]

idk what the gambling regulations are for mobile games lol, i certainly dont base my opinion on whats legal or illegal here

[azure spindle]

part of the problem was him going "look how great this feature is" and making it highly unaccessable without years of time or money spent

[misty spindle]

true

[tidal ice]

as for EU, Belgium was one of the first to establish anti-gambling laws and a lot of games either completely disabled the cash shop in their games for said playerbase or had to introduce pity systems to comply

think Overwatch etc.

[hexed elm]

i feel like most of this conversation revolves around opinions of lava and not the actual mechanic

[misty spindle]

overwatch had a pity system on lootboxes?

what about cs2?

[tidal ice]

it didnt until laws happened

[misty spindle]

actually cs2 has that p250 french Xray gun

[sweet pine]

the last time we have a conversation about mechanic and the conclusion is: "doot as bad as alcohols"

[hexed elm]

i mean i personally think all real money gambling should be illegal but because i dont think thats realistic, i temper my expectations

[misty spindle]

nah add more gambling🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[azure spindle]

For me at least that's because implementing a gacha type system is quite straighforward in opinion, there's not much to debate, there's definitely ways it could be better but are unlikely to change, I find more value in thinking about why things happened the way they did, what decisions led to it and what could've been better

and a lot of that comes down to Lava's choices

[hexed elm]

yes but i feel like most of the debate comes from speculation and inferences

[knotty urchin]

more companions go brrrrrr

[wild python]

yesssss

[hexed elm]

like for all we know hes failing financially because his game isnt making enough money and hes not living a lavish lifestyle

[knotty urchin]

idk I have a love hate relationship w companions, I hate the p2w mechanic and doot being so overpowered, but my little monkey brain loves a little reward in a silly idle game

[wild python]

Lets wait and see what will happen after W6 release

[hexed elm]

like this dude could be living in a $800 a month apartment and only makes $1500 a month from the game

[misty spindle]

this guy gets it

[knotty urchin]

(I have all companions my opinion doesnt matter bc I dont know the true struggles)

[wild python]

I liked the biweekly updates

[tidal ice]

nah, theres nothing to speculate on how he built the game on the premise of things being attainable for f2p albeit slow and then had a change of mind because companions and bundle exclusive bonuses are far different from a game design perspective

[misty spindle]

lets make lava make daily updates🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[hexed elm]

or maybe he had a change of mind because he was going broke?

[knotty urchin]

I do think green gems should be obtainable, even if its hard

f2p I mean

[hexed elm]

like what does anyone here actually know about lava personally

[wild python]

The bundles are a litte iffy but companions are find since they are still attainable

[knotty urchin]

he benches 5 kg at least

[hexed elm]

yeah he does have a decent bench pr

[tidal ice]

didnt he talk about a 250 bench pr

[misty spindle]

do you think people would calm themselves if he introduced a 2000 to 1 gem to green gem ratio

[tidal ice]

yea

[hexed elm]

no lol

[knotty urchin]

guys dont be stingy, just pay for lavas gym membership

[tidal ice]

because gems are farmable, having a conversion to green ones means they are, by extension, also farmable

[wild python]

probably players are willing to grind hours of colo for some gems

[knotty urchin]

one companion being like 2k gems doesnt sound horrible but then again Im really bad at economics so that might be a horrible conversion

(I study economics in university)

[tight saddle]

COME ON WORLD 6 I CAN'T WAIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[knotty urchin]

YEAAAAAAAHHHH

[hexed elm]

does anyone here actually know anything about lava personally or are they all assuming he released companions out of sheer greed

[knotty urchin]

I mean gacha kinda fun look at genshin theyre worse

[wild python]

I have a bigger issue with auto-loot than with pets since activ play is literally impossible unless you check every hour or less

[azure spindle]

I mean yeah, that's a very real possibility, but just like you were saying about my train of thoughts, that's all speculation, theory, and rationalization right? I'm not saying making more money off the game and introducing more p2w mechanics isn't his right or perogative. What I've been saying is it could've been done better and the way he chose to do it hurt the trust and relationship he had built with the community.

[misty spindle]

he sold me fent a few dozen times so

[knotty urchin]

maybe when he releases new companions he will try and fix it, in the end itll be hard to make everyone happy after his silly mistake

[wild python]

He did the same thing in idle skiling as a last update thats all I know

[hexed elm]

yeah but at some point that trust might have to break no? or maybe the trust was built on a faulty basis that wasnt realistic

[azure spindle]

no, the trust was built from his own actions

[knotty urchin]

maybe green gems obtainable in w6 who knows :P

[tidal ice]

I feel like auto loot as a one time purchase is about as good as it gets for a f2p game where you pay for the convenience of being able to play actively better

[tight saddle]

My dad works for Lavatendo, making Lava my dad, so I can assure you that he is only doing it to buy me a pink BMW when I turn 16

[misty spindle]

obtaining green games be like:quest reward 2 green gems

[knotty urchin]

autoloot = buying the game

[hexed elm]

yes but what if those actions lead him toward an unmaintainable path that requires "breaking his communitys trust" in order to be maintained?

like what if i told you w6 wouldnt exist unless he implements companions with p2w

[misty spindle]

based

[tidal ice]

what faulty basis? the one that was established when he created the game and its subsystems which include gems being available to f2p players?

[knotty urchin]

no itd be at least 3

[hexed elm]

all of this speculation is just as likely until you actually find it out from the person himself no?

[wild python]

Thats true

[hexed elm]

the faulty basis of when he made statements about not turning it into p2w was when he was making a lot of money from the game and is no longer making nearly as much money?

[knotty urchin]

well tbh if I were lava I wouldve done the same like its his job and obv you want to make money, its obv he cares in his own ways and he wouldnt fuck up his baby idleon. If you think lava is greedy and doesnt care abt the game after one singular p2w update, while companies like blizzard exist, Id rethink it

[hexed elm]

in this scenario, the basis was faulty because he expected to be able to make enough money at a consistent rate to make developing this f2p game financially viable indefinitely

that is what i mean by faulty basis

[tidal ice]

I would very much assume that the money he made back then was a lot smaller than it is now, especially if you consider this games popularity and obviously the introduction of companions

[sweet pine]

cmon guys we still dont have ads on mobile, leave him alone

[hexed elm]

yes but do you actually know or are you speculating

[knotty urchin]

idleon with ads

[wild python]

[knotty urchin]

every portal teleport plays a 30 sec ad

but companions will be more available

dw

[wild python]

Watch an add for 1 green gem

[knotty urchin]

if you claim afk gains you can double it by watching an ad

[hexed elm]

my whole point is this: a lot of people dont give him the benefit of the doubt, they just go for his neck because hes big daddy lava and he can take the criticism and theyre unhappy about a decision that was made

[elfin idol]

Wasnt it number 1 on steam for cash made in idle category before and after?

[misty spindle]

next doot: No ads

[tidal ice]

whats the difference between knowing for certain and being able to infer a reasonable statement based on more or less publicly available information?

[knotty urchin]

ok but how many good idle games are there I only know like cookie clicker

[hexed elm]

i think the amount of debating that has to be done in order to clarify everything is way too much for this channel/discord

[tight saddle]

P2W with Idleon is sort of different in a sense that, while e.g. Doot is definitely OP and everything in the normal shop too early-mid game, Idleon isn't really competitive or even multiplayer in the same way many other games are. Meaning that if you find it unfair or annoying that people can buy something like Doot, you could just consider this a singleplayer game and think of Doot as someone just cheating in their singleplayer game.

[misty spindle]

"why arent you making my f2p game slave! I never paid you anything but you still have to work on my f2p game"

[hexed elm]

so i dont think it belongs here

[wild python]

Most Idle games get boring realativly quickly

[knotty urchin]

yeah, thats why I like idleon a lot bc its an actual game not just looking at a screen

[wild python]

Ever heard of antimatter dimensions, great idle game

[knotty urchin]

no ill check it out

[tight saddle]

Oh I sent him an email last year about the pets, but never got an answer

[tidal ice]

its good until you get to the part of writing code for your idle game

[hexed elm]

that doesnt mean he didnt read it

[misty spindle]

timer simulator

[knotty urchin]

world 6 will make idleon pvp, there will be player killing when going into the maps and itll be mmo

[tight saddle]

Yeah. My point is though that you can be critical of lava and his monetization ways while still loving the game.

[hexed elm]

i mean i bet he received plenty of criticism in many different ways about the pets, so i highly doubt he responded to all of them

[hexed elm]

yes i dont disagree

[knotty urchin]

can we talk about how broken doot is tho

a casual doot haver will always be ahead of a crazy fanatic

[tidal ice]

it is, no denying that

[wild python]

Imagine not having to change gods for sampling

[knotty urchin]

I have doot and I think doot is too overpwored

[elfin idol]

just wait till the remaining two gods have bonuses

[hexed elm]

i think in a game like idleon, anything that drastically changes where you are quickly will feel op

[tidal ice]

imagine having to level up your lab slaves to a ridiculous amount so that you can use 1 less arctis

[hexed elm]

even if its not

[wild python]

Doot is kinda like the arcade jackpot

[azure spindle]

I'm a little confused about what you're arguing for at this point bobisfun321. The one realistically doing the most speculation is probably you regarding Lava's situation. No one has debated it should be able to make money from the game. No one is debating he works hard developing Idleon and should be compensated as such.

[knotty urchin]

I saw this guy is making a few characters afk IN CASE OF a new divinity god being proccable with it

[sweet pine]

no i got 3 jackpot in 2 weeks and still no doot

[wild python]

You mostly arent capped by level but by fixed ranges of a few nodes though

[tight saddle]

I don't think the pet stuff itself is the problem to be honest. My critique is towards the green gem system mostly. I would be 100% happy if you could just exchange blue gems to green ones at some ratio - that's really all that is needed at this point imo.

[wild python]

Thats a you problem

[tidal ice]

ok but no shot are you going to argue that doot doesnt speed up your game progression by a large margin

[knotty urchin]

lets talk about the suggma recipe

I fucking hate it

[azure spindle]

techincally the problem isn't with doot but rather the problem is with needing to have 6 characters locked away in Lab

[tight saddle]

Would you like to buy one for $6.99?

[knotty urchin]

I WOULD BC IVE BEEN TRYING TO GET IT FOR 3.5 WEEKS

[wild python]

I have been ignoring it my Vman wont get a new weapon until I afk at suggmas for any random reason and get it

[tight saddle]

[knotty urchin]

17.5x dr btw

[uncut owl]

I got it for 3 hours

[wild python]

arctis

[knotty urchin]

ok...

[tight saddle]

Lol @ Lava missing monetization opportunity

[knotty urchin]

for real

[tidal ice]

going from 24 hours of refinery/3d printer/breeding etc. to 64 as a baseline is insane for game progression

[knotty urchin]

the refinery and 3d printer procs r crazy

they go so hard

[tidal ice]

I guess you can remove the cooking procs because theyre useless past early cooking but still

[wild python]

yeah no denying that

[knotty urchin]

refinery is like 3x as fast w doot

[wild python]

Another question does someone here have the afk trophy?

[azure spindle]

so yeah you can use arctis but then you still have the problem of locking out an entire skill (divinity) just so you not locked into a different one (lab)

[steady beacon]

Any point in keeping these Skilling sparkles? I'm kinda out of space.

[tidal ice]

one arctis is one less omniphau you could be running instead

[wild python]

What do you mean?

[wild python]

Thats true

[wild python]

I wuld keep one of each

[hexed elm]

the lack of obol space is despair

[wild python]

I like to have to one set of everything

[hexed elm]

w6 better give us obol space

istg

[wild python]

No gem upgrade for that?

[hexed elm]

there is but its still limited past that

[tidal ice]

there is but you wont have enough to have presets for skilling/dr etc.

[azure spindle]

it's basically a choice between keeping toons locked in lab as printer slaves or pulling them out but less effective since you have to have 6 lab workers and they can usually only have one deity active

[worldly gulch]

booooooh that is biiiiig!!! i just found the normal version yesterday and am clearing rift 30 right now. soooooooo maaany gaaaains

[azure spindle]

nice

[wild python]

Yeah I dont really mind its better than in W4 just letting all characters sit in lab for a month xD

[tidal ice]

being able to max out lab with 10 people also cuts that grind to basically nothing

[azure spindle]

divinity was fine until they added doot since it fixed all the inherent problems with divinity and lab systems

[wild python]

my biggest complain about div is the need to swap to maximize samples is tedious as heck

[ashen field]

Anyone have an estimate how long it'd take to greenstack employment statistic?

[azure spindle]

I think the other main concern with doot was that typically, later worlds introduce systems that make prior worlds mechanics better

[tidal ice]

eh thats moreso because minmaxing sampling is tedious so every subsystem that enhances it just makes it more annoying

[misty spindle]

I know its just a speculation based on no evidence, but I would say he is gonna make doot more excesible when the new companions come

[wild python]

But div is special

[azure spindle]

but with doot, the likelihood that w6 has something that helps fix the divinity and lab lockout goes down

[azure spindle]

that'd be nice

[ashen field]

I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't introduce any new companions tbh

due to the huge backlash

[wild python]

I mean I only have to worry about chips and cards and div at this point

[misty spindle]

just make doot rift 60 easy fix

[wild python]

Who knows maybe we will get a green gem maschine

[misty spindle]

lmaolmaolmao

[tidal ice]

im glad chips gamba isnt nearly as impactful so I can pretend that they dont exist

[wild python]

Thats somehow worse

[azure spindle]

I know I sound very critical with a lot of things, and that's a fair take but I do like this game and have a lot of respect for Lava being able to make it as well as hope for future developments

[wild python]

Yeah I just grab whats thrown at me

[azure spindle]

chips really need a bit of a tweak to the system too in all honesty

[wild python]

I wish there was a way to increase the amount offered each week to like 3

[tidal ice]

a buff to weekly chip and jewel rotations would be nice, maybe add it to equinox or rift or something

[misty spindle]

all of us do, we just dont want the game to become unexcesible for f2p in the long run

[ashen field]

Being forced to wait months at a time to get a specific chip is pretty cancerous

[azure spindle]

I remember looking at chip rotation a couple weeks ago and some of the doublers have like 1-2 tiems they'll show up this year and that's it

[tidal ice]

choccie chip

[ashen field]

Yay

Honestly though don't really need more than 2 choccie chips

[misty spindle]

its gambling time

[tidal ice]

1

[lapis elm]

Chips don't seem as impactful because you didn't wait 11 months for a choco chip

[wild python]

Yeah just dont focus on them they are good but I just look at some ponit and am either happy that I get another good one or disappionted that its trash

[azure spindle]

I have like 6 choco

[ashen field]

Technically one, but its nice not having to swap it

[tidal ice]

you will never farm crystals on 2 chars at the same time

[lapis elm]

I spent nearly 9k gems without a choco. Had to wait for it to hit rotation.

Others were in the same situation

[misty spindle]

bozo

[ashen field]

No but not having to swap chips between bubo & Dk is nice

[misty spindle]

skill issue

[lapis elm]

And choco is the single biggest source of exp, money, pens, and statues in the game

[azure spindle]

honestly probably a good mechanic for chips would've been something like making them all 1 copy only per character

when you have copies for each character they get removed from sale pool

[ashen field]

All chips are now account wide

and always active

Rift 60 thing

[wild python]

Lava meant that he can add them in if he wants And I think that happend a few times to but its rare

[misty spindle]

lava HATES his player base

[azure spindle]

I would love that, mainly because I had swapping chips around for sampling

[misty spindle]

confir3md

[ashen field]

Yeah same

[wild python]

Imagine the people who spend gems

[ashen field]

Yeah well gems are bountiful either way

They would still benefit from this

If all chips were active at all time

[hexed elm]

last time i sampled i had every thing from w1-5 optimized for my samplers except i forgot to swap my card set bonuses

[ashen field]

on every char

[misty spindle]

I hate this argument with so much passion

[ashen field]

Tbf it kind of sounds like something he'd introduce as a companion

[azure spindle]

you take that back right now

[ashen field]

haha

I mean I hope there won't be any new ones

[lapis elm]

QoL surprasses sunk cost fallacy

[wild python]

The reactions might be hilarious though

[lapis elm]

Make shit better

[misty spindle]

@sacred coral yo this guy cookin fr fr

[lapis elm]

I just said I've spent in the 10s of thousands on chip gamba and I would not be upset if it was made easier

Because we know it was bogus

[misty spindle]

just leave the game for a few months and you got it

easy time skip

[lapis elm]

Like there's no reason for a newer player not to be able to get their doublers, respawns, choco, and afk chips

Just 1 set should be relatively tax free to get

Because sampling honestly needs it

[azure spindle]

mainly just lava hasn't looked at the system again

[patent hatch]

I agree, it should be made easier to catch up for new players

[azure spindle]

Lava has a tendency to balance and focus the game on and game players only

[wheat kiln]

Guys this talent is for active skil hero ? Like DK , ES and SB

[azure spindle]

end game players*

[misty spindle]

thats one thing that sucks in his solo dev journey, he abandoned a lot of the cool mechanics so he can pump out new ones

[lapis elm]

Nah his QoL changes have specifically targetted progression and new players

From the dementia changes, to equinox, to nerfing portals every world drop

[misty spindle]

dementia changes?

I dont remember that

[lapis elm]

Same with bags

Dementia used to require platinum gear to make

Now it's nerfed cost and just bars

oh

I got it

I just woke up

[misty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-ragememe-rageface-trolling-gif-4929853

[patent hatch]

remember when troll helmet required 10 gold twine

that was painful

[lapis elm]

[azure spindle]

oh god, never knew they did

[lapis elm]

And we all ground it out

[azure spindle]

I was not that far along at that point so I just ignored them

[wild python]

yeah

[patent hatch]

man troll gear even to this day is the big gate keeper for new gear

its arguably harder than the later tiers lol

[lapis elm]

I think it would be safer to say that lava doesn't really care and sometimes he throws stuff our way if people complain enough

[azure spindle]

it's a little rough

[ashen field]

So did anyone of you greenstack Employment statistics?

[misty spindle]

troll is easy what do you mean

[lapis elm]

Yeah. Just off of rats.

[ashen field]

How long did it take?

[hexed elm]

im at like 600k lol took a break when i realized how long it would take for the people i didnt already complete it on

it took like 3 days for 2 of my dudes to get 600k

[patent hatch]

? Troll is clearly harder than magma to get

[lapis elm]

Uhh I got a few million when eclipsing it, but a pretty long time even on ES

[azure spindle]

I'm probably skipping employment statistics gs since I finished quest on es already

[ashen field]

is ES the one to farm it on?

[hexed elm]

100% yes

[lapis elm]

Yessir

[ashen field]

Can you get more than 1 per kill?

[patent hatch]

and devine gear is easy too

[hexed elm]

yes

[azure spindle]

quest mats you usually want es since it counts as main drop table

[ashen field]

Alright yeah that makes things easier

Thought it was capped at one per

so was farming it with bubo

[lapis elm]

Having an ES on quests My poor time thingies were ground out on an SB

[hexed elm]

i wonder if lava will unlock some of the locked stuff for us eventually

like permanently missed slabs/gs

[azure spindle]

what I really want is someway to both do PO boxes and invest them at more than 100 per click in myriad

like I'll take a "use all" option even if it crashed my game as long as it goes through

[wild python]

I lost a token while accedentily walking through a portal

[lapis elm]

A pen toggle or being able to spend more than 100 boxes would be nice

[hexed elm]

[lapis elm]

or being able to hold it down

Plus get rid of that stupid ass box explosion so people can not lag

[azure spindle]

like I have the pens to get the 100k boxes, but I don't hate myself enough to do it

[azure spindle]

yeah that's what I was referencing by crashing my game

[hexed elm]

i think im fine with event specific slabs but missing some of the first quest rewards because slab didnt exist back then feels pretty bad :/

[lapis elm]

I don't mind if he even makes PO box way easier. It has a set limit that everyone achieves eventually

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Until he adds more boxes

Like he did before

[azure spindle]

this might be a hot take but I think in general skills should have caps

[lapis elm]

An entire page of myriad boxes

[wild python]

mining and chopping?

[azure spindle]

yeah even them, easy enough just to increase max level when releasing new mechanics or world

[wild python]

they have a soft cap

[lapis elm]

Ehh that would be bad for player retention and go against the ethics of the game

[wild python]

the exp requirement increases way faster after level 100

[lapis elm]

It's an idle game. It's meant to scale past absurd

[azure spindle]

that's a fair point

[lapis elm]

This isn't an RPG

[azure spindle]

I guess just some things then should have a tangible end

[ashen field]

Plus actual levels don't mean much

[wild python]

At some point it takes to long to level up theres your current cap in progression

[lapis elm]

Plus he would have to actually go thru and have a process to find out what are "approapriate" caps for these things every single world

And then you have situations where people get into it early, get to cap, leave

[azure spindle]

I guess at this stage it's probably not doable

[wild python]

the soft cap is also a good way to keep endgamers

[azure spindle]

I think it might've been worth considering at the getgo since for the purposes of balancing would make things much simpler

[lapis elm]

Or new players that want to get to "endgame" just to realize that their progression is fixed by the god dev and there's no way to bypass it. "What's the point if there's an end? Everyone is saying to just do this and quit til next update"

[wild python]

You guys think we will get some need unlocks?

[patent hatch]

didnt get in world 5

wont get now imo

[wild python]

The problem is that everyone would probably be able to unlock everything all at once

[azure spindle]

aight it's nearing 5am and I'm getting quite tired so I'm gonna head to bed

[wild python]

Just look at the unlocks I have left xD

gn

[patent hatch]

that isn't a problem, it is new content for new players

i think it would be a good idea and would be happy to see it

even though it won't be anything new for me

[wild python]

same

content is content

[tight saddle]

I'm like 75% certain that the arcade bonus game right- and left-tilt are vice versa

Right-tilt favouring the left more

[wild python]

i feel the same

[worldly gulch]

when i upgrade my trapping set, do need to remove all placed traps, or is a simple "collect" enough to replace them and fire up new buffs?

[tidal ice]

remove and place new ones

[noble mesa]

What is the best place to gs timethingy?
Is it just beans with DK or there a better way?

[worldly gulch]

but i dont have to mule my gear to all chars, i can just place em with trap-o-vision on bm who has all buffs, right?

[noble mesa]

Bm for critters , vm for xp

[worldly gulch]

ah so vm should plant his own traps for higher exp gain? i dont care about exp on the others

[noble mesa]

U can put all traps with him if u want

If u want xp

U can put vman traps with him and the rest with bm

[weak wind]

if anyone wants to know, it really does exist

[proven iron]

Stahp this is time police, here is your 2h of ES desync right over all the other windows.

[wild python]

strong

[tidal ice]

oh right thats what that is, I was wondering why I had 1h30 of afk time after I just claimed 2 hours of afk on all my characters

ES go brrrr

[proven iron]

My shit work PC that cant even handle TD goes brr

Its less on my main

[wild python]

Does HH increase the keychain drops?

[misty spindle]

lava needs to give us the option to do quests again

people locking themselves out of GSing some items is horrible

[sand summit]

It's not really that bad

[proven iron]

Yeah its veeeery small bit of damage

If its not for equinox challenges

Slab is probably worse

[sand summit]

It's only for equinox or big pp maxing

I agree that slab is worse

[knotty helm]

When we get charecters 11 and 12 EVERYONE should know lol

[proven iron]

I cant wait to waste all the space in my chest and make my life miserable for 0.002% of damage

[sand summit]

Literally

My chest is so full cuz of all the statues

And none of them are greenstack yet!

Granted, I also have 72 lucky lads in there

But that's a necessity I assure you

[misty spindle]

just put lucky lads on your lab rats

[sand summit]

I don't have lab rats

[misty spindle]

and how the fuck do you even have that much space

[sand summit]

I put everyone on card duty

I'm at 95/100 ruby cards u see

[misty spindle]

spread them out evenly then, 36 inventory spaces, 10 characters, everyone gets 2 lads

wait no

bad math

[sand summit]

Yea im gonna keep stuffing them in the chest

Easiest

And I'll complain to lava for not enough storage

[misty spindle]

did you buy all the gemshop chests?

[sand summit]

Just make them stackable with a w6 passive ez

[noble mesa]

Im at 72 to
And i put 10 on 1 charc

[misty spindle]

cuz seriously how do you have so much space

[sand summit]

I have all chests

Until w6 anyway

I bet there's an old ie profile of me up still from December or smth

Or a toolbox profile

My account is a glorious mess you see

[orchid trail]

why do I always get recipes I can't properly absorb because I haven't unlocked the right tab? It's really starting to piss me off

[sand summit]

You better be using them even if you don't have the tab

[orchid trail]

Ain't I gonna lose 'em then?

[sand summit]

No

They are saved in your tab once you unlock it

Most recipes also stop dropping once you have them unlocked

[kindred moss]

most?

[sand summit]

I think quest recipes are still added to inventory

[lyric sequoia]

Almost ready for w6 spice battles

[wild python]

damn

[young burrow]

where is the best obol fragment farm?

or obol drop rate rather

[sand summit]

W2 sandcastles crystal farming afaik

Not entirely sure why it was sandcastles tho

[wild python]

Most would run pots

[raw ginkgo]

will there be new coin in w6?

[wild python]

since glass shards and pots arent much more worse than castles

[wild python]

Would be cool

[sand summit]

Spirit coins

It looked like there was some new mechanic involving coins in general

[granite grove]

lava better at least add 10 coin tiers or sth because of massive money multiplier we already have in w5

[raw ginkgo]

what kind of mechanic exactly?

[untold saffron]

you know we're able to turn off royal sampler and keepo 90% samples now, wouldn't it be better to save the star talent points in most situations?

just keep printer at like 1 point and save 99

[sand summit]

I already do that

Star points are too valuable for that

[rustic garnet]

is there a link to best in slot sample guide?

[untold saffron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vROpoiWi9XQVNm6gy0hHjvD0RKQFcGFzUmX2f-1rsbv8OPQX583Er0AEZndX6JzxMhz6HG2dSOqa6GT/pubhtml#

[cerulean hemlock]

Good Morning

[rustic garnet]

ty, and is there a worship guide kicking about?

[cerulean hemlock]

Aside from Pancakes?

[rustic garnet]

no? That would work, I just don't see it

[glad crow]

hello

[cerulean hemlock]

#1183482341474172938 It's in the Equinox Section, Page 43 ;3

[rustic garnet]

ty

I'm looking for harvesting

not doing TDs

is there a card set?

[raven fog]

Can anyone woth high cog bored show me or teöö me what is hid lowest cog xp

[cerulean hemlock]

Trickz had a image, one minute

https://i.imgur.com/i3Ugnld.png
@rustic garnet

[junior delta]

idk if thats high buy my avarage is like 60

[raven fog]

How much xo bonus

[raven fog]

Nah i am looking for 8k plus

[junior delta]

oki

[raven fog]

Thx

[halcyon breach]

Ahh I'm on citringes

W6 in 2 days

Ahh

[teal lynx]

I'm at 6.82k xp and my lowest is 107% - Not exactly what you were looking for, but better than nothing
I guess around 130% lowest would be 8k

[raven fog]

Dam

But ur xp booster cogs do they have xp on them

[teal lynx]

Missing a lot for Boosters - But got nothing better

[plucky edge]

@glad crow

[glad crow]

i have achieved happiness

[misty spindle]

how many gems is the complete exodia

like 5k?

[plucky edge]

more like 7-8k i think

[misty spindle]

jeez

[teal lynx]

The last Cog costs 1.5k. So yeah it's more like 8k

[misty spindle]

how does a f2p even get that

[teal lynx]

Colo - Boss

[plucky edge]

Base: 500
Increment: 125
Final: 1375
Total: 7500

[cerulean hemlock]

There are tons of events every year

[misty spindle]

the Idleon has fallen millions must grind colo

[cerulean hemlock]

If you've played for a year or two 8k would be around... 20% of your yearly gem paycheck? 😛

[misty spindle]

with all the other stuff you can buy tho

[teal lynx]

I bought some Packs, but I'm still at 25k gems rn from just playing - So it's definitely possible to get every upgrade without paying

[misty spindle]

granted I did buy like 6 jewels

[cerulean hemlock]

;3

[plucky edge]

soon kanna will be proud of me

[scarlet cypress]

Is aura cogs with «player exp» multiplicative or additive ?

[teal lynx]

Multiplicative to other bonuses - Additive with other directional boosters

[wild python]

What do these values mean?

[cerulean hemlock]

multiplicative to other bonuses, additive with other aura cogs, similar to the three damage% bubbles from the orange, green, and purple cauldron respectively

[teal lynx]

That doesn't work properly afaik 😅
Especially the XP one doesn't work properly. You most likely already got cogs above a xp value of 47

[wild python]

yes my highest is 120%

[cerulean hemlock]

Onur, everytime I see that mareep pfp I feel like life is a cotton ball XD

[wild python]

The main reason I dont change the pfp is you

[cerulean hemlock]

Awww

Also, Happy Valentines day

[wild python]

[teal lynx]

Atleast we got each other

(No your Girlfriend doesn't count A^6 🫡)

[pastel bramble]

i did it ma i reached 40k

[cerulean hemlock]

XD

[autumn hollow]

Thank you for the reminder, I completely forgot

[cerulean hemlock]

Lol

I already made a "Valentines Cup Of 3'am Coffee" for my gf

[wild python]

The W6 updates launches when I have my uni exams

[teal lynx]

We don't have a time yet?
Maybe it's right after your exams

[wild python]

copium

[raven fog]

Ehy would anyone want to respawn faster in town its pointless talent

[pastel bramble]

it'll prob be 10am pacific is my guess when lava wakes up 😄

[cerulean hemlock]

This... stupid little glublin took me two weeks to get to wode boards

[wild python]

But now you have it

[teal lynx]

Until A^6 decides to do Rebirth 2

[wild python]

xD

[cerulean hemlock]

I don't know... Lava likes to get in the theme

[autumn hollow]

It is supposed to play into the survivability formula, making it easier to get 100% and getting better AFK gains

[cerulean hemlock]

No idea how

Movement speed

[elfin idol]

You got the w2 acheivement before that right?

[cerulean hemlock]

Yep, on day#5 I think

[worthy helm]

Good for world rushers

[cerulean hemlock]

Nah, I'm not finding it useful

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/sell-naru-gif-4656596691110632045

[autumn hollow]

One more day

[wild python]

Does anyone have the vial at level 4

?

[teal lynx]

Not possible

[elfin idol]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[wild python]

Level 4 is the 1k pickles one?

[teal lynx]

lvl 3 might be possible if you bought it every single day from the day it released
1k is lvl 3 pickle

[autumn hollow]

1, 100, 1k, 2.5k

[wild python]

I meant this one yes

[teal lynx]

Alvin had lvl 13 Pickle Vial

[pure horizon]

Im so lucky

DAYUM

You guys wont believe what happened

[teal lynx]

What happened?

[autumn hollow]

Doot?

[pure horizon]

Ill tell you

[raven fog]

Drop all and leave hr world for 2 dollars

Ur*

[pure horizon]

I got the bear from 25% and after that i got the next one for 1%!?!?

[autumn hollow]

Very nice! That's incredibly lucky

[wild python]

1/400 grats

[pure horizon]

[autumn hollow]

You'd have to pay me a lot more than that. I earn more than that in 2 minutes at work

[keen pilot]

Do Efaunt achievement before you lose your ability to do so

[raven fog]

What do u work as dam

[raven fog]

20

[cerulean hemlock]

Read below messages XD

[autumn hollow]

Software Dev

[cerulean hemlock]

I did that on day#7

[autumn hollow]

I thought you said day 5

[raven fog]

U need to teach me how to famr money irl

[keen pilot]

You said day #5 there

[wild python]

devs rise up

[cerulean hemlock]

Was it five? XD

[keen pilot]

Either way

Quick question

Since you played Alpha

[cerulean hemlock]

My memory is very top-notch

[keen pilot]

Did Lava release world updates at midnight?

[cerulean hemlock]

For EST time it's around 1-2pm

[wild python]

at random

[keen pilot]

Everytime?

[cerulean hemlock]

That's when he usually streams

[keen pilot]

I was planning to take Friday off

[cerulean hemlock]

The time can span from 12pm-5pm

(EST)

[keen pilot]

So there's a chance he won't release in 34 hours?

[cerulean hemlock]

I suppose so 😛

[keen pilot]

Or 40 hours

[cerulean hemlock]

Atm it's 8am for me so that's...

[keen pilot]

Basically 12 AM EST on a Friday

[severe widget]

how do yall set up your vmans obol page?

[keen pilot]

Alright then maybe I don't need to take a day off

[keen pilot]

Multikill for catching (I advise against this)

[cerulean hemlock]

EST?

[autumn hollow]

Damn, 5 free log resets

[keen pilot]

Yes

[cerulean hemlock]

I said 12pm-5pm though 😛

[wild python]

I dont xD

[keen pilot]

Alright

So I might not need to take a day off then

[cerulean hemlock]

[keen pilot]

He releases world updates without informing of the time, right?

https://tenor.com/view/right-natalie-portman-star-wars-rd_btc-gif-24051918

[teal lynx]

He said he would give the exact time "a few days prior" so maybe today we get a time

[keen pilot]

Hopefully

Blonde Mama Bean will definitely reach final mob on release day

[teal lynx]

Maybe

But how you know I'm blonde

[severe widget]

rofl

looks like full drop rate page isnt controversial then xd

[keen pilot]

I'm pretty sure you sent a "good" drawing of a Bored Bean 2 months ago in here

[teal lynx]

Oh right

[keen pilot]

I only have that because I usually do speedruns, where MK/tier is important

[teal lynx]

The MS Paint Bean with blonde hair

[keen pilot]

I don't bother changing it everytime I hop on it so yeah

[keen pilot]

Exactly

With the red "Mama Bean" font text

[cerulean hemlock]

Never trust the source

[keen pilot]

Trust the guy who actually works on the game:
Trust the members who don't have a clue:

[zinc torrent]

hes gonna give us the exact time one day after release

[crisp pasture]

"exact time" wait for the waiting on iOS verification

[cerulean hemlock]

When I've seen too much I begin the fabricate answers

[keen trellis]

iOS will be like 3-5 days later at best unless he submits the update early

[sharp mauve]

Only worth leveling when in endgame Bubo phase?

[safe harness]

@paper sail , I am curious about the reviewer. When does it recommend sanic tool leveling. It appears it doesnt really weight the three, but gives guidance saying chopping is more important. However, I never see sanic tools despite mine being low and definitely sub 86%. In comparison, Strongk tools the similiar oj bubble is recommended up to 86% and appears just fine. Also, not a big deal since its catching.

[cerulean hemlock]

You think he'll submit it early?

[cerulean hemlock]

Lategame, yep

[granite grove]

he might already have it pre-verified while waiting for the launch day

[keen trellis]

I sent that message with complete doubt and while high on

[granite grove]

cant have ios users complain this time

[severe widget]

I read that the mk from obols is only base and not per tier

[keen pilot]

I'm willing to bet that everyone who usually answer questions in #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 either have two monitors to check Discord or they have a spare phone open here at all times

[crisp pasture]

Press X for doubt

[cerulean hemlock]

[keen pilot]

Watch out, Warmwind is going to ban you