#lategame-chat-w5๐ŸŒ‹-w6๐ŸŒธ

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rugged token
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so would be; Tower damage * 1.5x (for crits) * A Traits for actual damage

plucky edge
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so 3 times would be x6 instead of x8?

rugged token
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yeah

plucky edge
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alright thanks

sick sentinel
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did you hold off or use chopping and mining? im surprised they are lower

rugged token
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imagine how good it would be if we got 32x for AAAAA Soulface

tacit tulip
rugged token
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would be destroying current boss waves

plucky edge
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yeah i cant quite afford 5 traits for now but 16x would be insane aswell

sick sentinel
plucky edge
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imagine not spending 3 hours to kill a boss because inflated health pain

tacit tulip
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time thingies probably going to be last done anyway

rugged token
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well, we'd still be in the same situation of stall meta. it would just be a higher max wave

plucky edge
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i mean yes but higher wave = more dopamine + more souls = higher vials = more praise from scolibot

tacit tulip
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scoli advocates not bothering pushing past like 130 I believe

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it's very easy to max the vials without huge waves

rugged token
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until you max them all and there is no more progressional praise from pinchy bot GuyMontag

plucky edge
sick sentinel
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oh yeah the vials are easy without going for high waves

plucky edge
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last soul takes ages Sadge

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im lazy

tacit tulip
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10 new vials for scolibot to praise us over soon Grumblo_Pray

sick sentinel
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get your vman worship/trapping up for species epoch

rugged token
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more feasty statue Grumblo_Pray

rough wasp
plucky edge
rugged token
sweet pine
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another R2 vman Grumblo_Pray ?

sick sentinel
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or even candy other skills for more ccd too

tacit tulip
plucky edge
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forgot that you can ballon worship thanks for the advice but i will most likely not do that until i have my 200gs

signal osprey
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Any homies with a P name out there Grumblo_Pray

signal osprey
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Hell yeah where you at

sick sentinel
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it'll take a sec to load but i think comb 11 w1 town

sweet pine
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soon he will get pass him Grumblo_Pray

plucky edge
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i stop sucking when i get my last soul vial praygi

tacit tulip
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the hand gains for worship are fairly minor anyway, it's really about epoch for the most part

sick sentinel
plucky edge
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im on a good way just upgraded td to wave 140 aswell

signal osprey
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Look at this absolute unit with the P name Grumblo_Pray

sick sentinel
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dude ngl im sad i wont have it on my main in the future

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i like my alts names xd

signal osprey
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9k hours Grumblo_Pray

sick sentinel
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working hard or hardly workin

signal osprey
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I like the fact that you didnt even bother hitting level 10 and becoming a warrior first

tacit lion
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is citrings the best map for statues in w5?

signal osprey
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Just straight to the task at hand

sick sentinel
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gains are to be had, cant wait for no portals

sweet pine
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make it simple like me those Grumblo_Pray

sick sentinel
tacit lion
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mhm maybe ill try that

plucky edge
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i want to change 2 of those

sick sentinel
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ojs shouldnt be too far behind it tho

signal osprey
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2 BM PogPig

tacit lion
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my crystal spawn chance isnt the best tho

sick sentinel
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test em out and see whats better for you

plucky edge
tacit lion
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true thanks

signal osprey
static basin
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yeah but with 2 BM he can have 1 doing nothing and the other active for shiny levels, big brain

plucky edge
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mine is farming ruby cards

sick sentinel
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gettin that trophy Grumblo_Pray

signal osprey
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Yeah I'm waiting for the day I do a 1 hour omni claim on him and get the trophy

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Imagine the flex on a 1 hour trophy claim

plucky edge
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imagine getting the trophy

signal osprey
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True

proven iron
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Perfection.

signal osprey
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Although I've barely been doing it. I'm at like 500 hours or something total

static basin
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is the nothing trophy only used for fighting afk or something else that im forgetting?

plucky edge
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im at 750 pain

signal osprey
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Should be good for vman skilling

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And for second BB cooking

static basin
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would be nice being able to give 2nd bb some love

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the hand me down keychains, lack of IS gear

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not a good look

signal osprey
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Surely W6 adds another IS trophy Grumblo_Pray

static basin
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w6 adds an item duplicator that can be used once per monthly reset

sweet pine
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mirror of kalandra Grumblo_Pray

signal osprey
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That would be nuts

paper sail
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My new stupid joy is leveling up critter bubbles while collecting cards

signal osprey
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Duping gold rose, IS trophy, and bis keychains

rugged token
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need a good spread of blue/yellow/purple gardening juice to use the mirror of lava once per month hahaha

signal osprey
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Can dupe the afk name tags too

static basin
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i actually feel like it wouldnt be too broken being one thing a month

rugged token
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would be massive QoL

signal osprey
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I mean it wouldnt be too insane I guess but it would be very strong

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It would also be kind of a head ache for lava as he needs to be mindful of it going forwards whenever he wants to add something

paper sail
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Yeah, way too broken at once a month

sweet pine
rugged token
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yeah, would be nice to have to do less shuffling around of gear

paper sail
fast grail
static basin
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getting 8 more gold roses, another IS trophy and a couple more fomo mob respawn keychains would take an entire year, i dont think that's crazy at all

tacit lion
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what drop rate is worth it to farm statues in w5?

empty hinge
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I did it finally! It works

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Xp farming ,

paper sail
empty hinge
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Thanks guysgrumblo_thumbsup

static basin
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well i mean just because something doesnt exist now, doesnt mean adding it would be broken

empty hinge
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Although my spawn chance is 1/80

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Im working on it

static basin
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Everything seems crazy until its in the game, then it's just normal

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vman giving Q% increase to cooking speed seems broken but its just normal now

empty hinge
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I made my mind to turn my 3star genie card to 5star by spending my 480gems on a cardifier

rugged token
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Gemshop mirror item that resets once monthly, costs 2k gems

empty hinge
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Is it worth though?

main silo
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for the "one of the divine" trophy - do I need to get the cloak dropped while the quest is active or how does it work?

tacit lion
main silo
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because I have the cloak equipped and in my inventory and the quest doesnt complete

Kattlekruk Cape are the fire wings, correct?

static basin
# empty hinge Is it worth though?

i did the same, and i did it for poops too because i was pretty far from unlocking ruby cards in the rift. I think it's worth it personally

sick sentinel
empty hinge
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When will the 5star bonus appear

static basin
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ruby cards is the final rift, it might be a while before u can get there

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so i'd say rubifying genie is worth

empty hinge
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I see ,then better buy it before its too late

main silo
rugged token
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card rubifiers are 100% worth the buyout

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even if you don't use them all now

sick sentinel
main silo
cerulean hemlock
tacit tulip
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hammer and worship doesn't work right on IE with sheepie

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so you gotta equip them

lapis elm
cerulean hemlock
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I'm sad after my friend made this pic a few months ago

lapis elm
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They'd wish they'd bought them all out before Prayge

rugged token
lapis elm
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Truuuue

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This is gonna be the first time for a lot of people I imagine

tacit tulip
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we really need expert resources

faint niche
lapis elm
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Being modestly advanced and having a new world drop and them losing stuff KEKL

tacit tulip
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fun note: if you never change the set bonus on your char you'll keep the increased version

rugged token
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yeah, i'd prefer him add the next tier of resources to their own card set

lapis elm
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I bet bug reports gonna be popping YEP

cerulean hemlock
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I just want bug fixes sad

paper sail
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Bug Report: The new 1 in 500m recipe isn't dropping for me angryuganda

tacit tulip
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god I'm terrified about w6 vman glove

rugged token
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"I have 10 billion kills why hasn't it dropped yet"

lapis elm
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"Have 500m kills but 1/500m recipe didn't drop??!?!!1? Bug???"

paper sail
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Can't wait ๐Ÿฟ

sweet pine
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if he rolled back, can we still keep our gold stopwatch? GuyMontag

rugged token
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how long did it take on w5 release for this chat to normalize and not be fully "This thing isn't working 1 star game sucks!" all day?

plucky edge
sweet pine
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dang this is scary

tacit tulip
empty hinge
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Here goes nothing

rugged token
sick sentinel
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it will work for all the previous worlds stuff that is getting expanded too ya know

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like bubbles stamps

tacit tulip
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the channel will be mostly "HOW DO I DO THIEVERY" x3skills

sweet pine
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best use at alchemy imo

sick sentinel
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i dont think it ever was

tacit tulip
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I'm thinking of working bubble discount with stopwatches to get as many things to 5asap so NBLB gets running on stuff

sick sentinel
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then thats you lol, most ppl i see talking about it are waiting to boost the previous skills

rugged token
sick sentinel
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to get ahead in vials and bubbles? im confused

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use yours now if you want '.'

faint niche
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What does it mean when your 3d printer keeps alternating from purple swirls to yellow stars and back?

sick sentinel
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its a visual bug normally coming from playing dk

tacit tulip
faint niche
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ah ok

tacit tulip
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the printer still works as you'd expect

faint niche
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Sandy pots actually

simple edge
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is it possible to farm dungeon cards?

tacit tulip
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depends how much time you have

sweet pine
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who stopping you?

tacit tulip
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there's no limit to how much you can enter a dungeon

faint niche
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im sitting at 39 trying to push to 40 dungeon so I can attempt the solo easier >.<

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can't wait for the next party hour to get a group

tacit tulip
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40 is huge for the solo equinox challenges

faint niche
tacit tulip
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not sure levellign to 40 is an exploit

faint niche
tacit tulip
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They're clearly talking about leveling to 40 using happy hour

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stop assuming everyone is exploiting ๐Ÿ˜›

cerulean hemlock
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If we get gems in return I'll be content

tacit tulip
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Oh so you're just suggesting they use exploits instead, nice

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that's somehow worse lol

cerulean hemlock
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W1 dungeon solo isn't even that hard

pastel bramble
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its pretty hard pre-foal gurantee lol

tacit tulip
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yeah w1 can be done earlier but 40 makes it waaaay more consistent

safe harness
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I did mine solo, but is that even an exploit? It specifically says defeat boss in party of yourself. Wording means killed just frog by yourself and not entire dungeon. Unless lava comes out and says it...the wording is pretty clear

plucky edge
tacit tulip
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most of them are hard in that you have to learn what to do

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but mechanically not particularly difficult

plucky edge
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i still cant get myself to do w2 dungeon

cerulean hemlock
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Since it slightly relies on RNG

worn sonnet
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w2 was the easiest for me

tacit tulip
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you also have to not fall asleep while killing snake 3

worn sonnet
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since there's no time limit for killing the boss

cerulean hemlock
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There's 5 cons and 1 pro for W2 ๐Ÿคฃ

pastel bramble
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id ignore w2 until u have starfire tools it makes it much easier

plucky edge
cerulean hemlock
tacit tulip
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that achievement could do with secondary unlock conditions tbh, its unobtainable if you missed it

safe harness
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i got mine cause i didnt know about teleport to specific map until w3, just knew about the teleport item to town lmao

tacit tulip
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ah so you just happened to run to boss? nice lol

safe harness
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yeah before my passive movespeed bricked it

sweet pine
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what's your current nug?

pastel bramble
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83m Grumblo

thorny compass
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AHAHAHHAA

sweet pine
fierce oracle
rugged token
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herus is still in a straight jacket in a padded room waiting for the other nugget clickers to join him

fierce oracle
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If you dont lose your mind youre doing it wrong

pastel bramble
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i gurantee i clicked more than herus has Grumblo im top plants lol

pastel bramble
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minus neomanox the known cheater ๐Ÿ˜„

fierce oracle
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He got his nug after 33k rolls

pastel bramble
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still didnt click as many clicks as me Grumblo meaning ive done more total ๐Ÿ˜‚

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hes did 1.18m

fierce oracle
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That means hes more efficient

lapis elm
pastel bramble
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na luck issue Grumblo

lapis elm
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NA client NOOO

fierce oracle
pastel bramble
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only if your name is domino Grumblo

rugged token
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Streamer RNG not included in your download of Idleon*

pastel bramble
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thats not a gif, thats a profile pic sad

cerulean hemlock
pastel bramble
cerulean hemlock
pastel bramble
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ur just jealous he gets more nuts in his face than you Grumblo

plucky edge
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burn the tree rat

plucky edge
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i need just a tiny bit more to upgrade my traps

glacial venture
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yes free nullo salts...they didnt do anything wrong

cerulean hemlock
plucky edge
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i think i wont make it in time can someone hold me

plucky edge
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or maybe itll crash like it did on acorns pain

south gull
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Td is so much fun

plucky edge
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after every wave you can go afk for like 3 hours so its nice nise

fallow aurora
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does checking sailing on SB matter?

tall horizon
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min time reduction

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very minimal impact, but still something

cerulean hemlock
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Mhmm

plucky edge
fallen torrent
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@cerulean hemlock i pardon you

cerulean hemlock
fallen torrent
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also i am done with W5 leaves in 200k i think

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178GS reached ๐Ÿ˜„

hollow gazelle
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guess its time for tools right ?

fallen torrent
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yes

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270k*

fast grail
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Anyone happen have a public ie and know the number of 5 star cards they have?

sleek ermine
fast grail
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IT has one now, but my lb is true lb Grumblo_Pray

sleek ermine
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lb?

cerulean hemlock
fast grail
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leaderboard

cerulean hemlock
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Sad

sleek ermine
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idleonleaderboards. This one?

fast grail
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that one is mine yeah, website in my bio if you need a easy link

plucky edge
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what is log book?

fast grail
plucky edge
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why does it say that i have 0 Sad

sleek ermine
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How do I join the leaderboard

fast grail
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probably have to re-upload on ITs website for their leaderboard

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to not have 0

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Dont think IT person re-queries all accounts when he makes new leaderboards

plucky edge
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so many exploiters hmjj

sleek ermine
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ok cheers I gotta go to work

urban pond
plucky edge
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void walker portal

urban pond
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but the site, tho

plucky edge
cerulean hemlock
cerulean hemlock
fast grail
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Need to figure out what to replace my vman portal leaderboard with thinkPeepo

plucky edge
tall horizon
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see who really hates themselves ๐Ÿ˜›

fast grail
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Hmm, havent actually looked into how quests are stored at all, could look into that

fast grail
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Still have another batch of leaderboards that im probably gonna work on over the weekend, for like total shiny levels, and a few others i have spreadout through request

cerulean hemlock
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One more for the bucket list

fast grail
plucky edge
fast grail
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before IT did any of their leaderboards Grumblo_Pray

plucky edge
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most of my guild uses your site nise

cerulean hemlock
quasi galleon
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Most of my guild doesn't hahaha

cerulean hemlock
plucky edge
plucky edge
cerulean hemlock
plucky edge
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i stand by what i say

fathom grove
pastel bramble
cerulean hemlock
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I don't like the leader, but that's a story for another day

prisma furnace
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Bliss!

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My last NBLB just hit Mr. Massacre bubble, I can atom it now

plucky edge
fast grail
fallen torrent
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yesterday so close to doot

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i got rift slug, if it could at least stop at ram or doot... not in between ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

fathom grove
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Yeah. Accuracy is weird. the +177% total accuracy prayer brings me from 3204T accuracy to 18Q. Grumblo_Pray

cerulean hemlock
cerulean hemlock
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Basics were just the leader called Ledukas, called me childish, banned me from the guild, end of story.

proven iron
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On what dungeon level its realistic to kill 4th frog for equinox?

fathom grove
proven iron
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Hmm, i'm at lvl 40 but it feels veeery hard.

plucky edge
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need good rng items though for both

proven iron
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Probably need to catch perfect rng and have some kind of concrete plan

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Also what character is strongest for that? I imagine divine knight or someone else?

plucky edge
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i used dk

quasi galleon
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Eh, doesn't matter that much, but DK is good

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I used BM, which will probably nauseate some people ๐Ÿ˜›

plucky edge
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level 40 trait is pretty good so you can almost always start with foal

sleek ermine
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I did it first try at 44 when equinox came out

proven iron
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Is there a way to exit dungeon without teleporting to town?

plucky edge
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closing the game

proven iron
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Ye, character relog helps

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Duh, well that will be long, but yeah i probably need to fish orange item instantly and go from that.

quasi galleon
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gem shop

sleek ermine
proven iron
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Gem shop literally doesnt work in dungeon

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Sadge

keen rapids
quasi galleon
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Could probably do it from the obol or storage pages as well

humble garnet
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should i trade all ?

amber dragon
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typically end game captains should be green guy with both + loot value?

quasi galleon
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Ideally

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But big numbers are big numbers

amber dragon
humble garnet
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does boat speed affect island exploration time

quasi galleon
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It doesn't take any time to explore an island

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You merely sail there then sail back

gray pagoda
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Maybe that's why it takes so long to find artifacts, the captains just scan the shoreline and say "Nothing here, back to base!"

quasi galleon
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I dunno, they have a 100% success rate of finding treasure

gray pagoda
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True

proven iron
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Well i just need to do better, its not that hard.

quasi galleon
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Just to make sure, you're not summoning the first three bosses until after you've cleared the map, right?

gray pagoda
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WHY HAVE I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE?!

proven iron
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Hmm, usually when i clear the whole map and drop all items into cauldron i actually get stuck with no ingredients.
Is there any other use for this other than to be ready to one shot bosses?

quasi galleon
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Drop only ingredients needed (or lesser tiers). It will summon what it needs, then pick up the rest right away. Kill boss, repeat.

proven iron
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I mean i will spend more time spliiting the stacks or whatever

quasi galleon
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I promise this is faster lol

proven iron
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I mean i literally get completely stack every time i did that.

plucky edge
# proven iron damn

not splitting you drop them and after it uses the one you dropped you pick up the leftover stack

proven iron
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Because there's not enough ingredients if you feed it full stack

plucky edge
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wrong @ btw sorry

quasi galleon
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Then that means you're dropping them incorrectly

rugged token
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yay random happy hour group didn't all go afk and we did 4th frog hahaha

plucky edge
proven iron
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Abused selling enchancers.

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Selling enchancers for extra items makes insane difference.

gray pagoda
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What's the best way to get damage in the dungeon?

proven iron
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Also yes you are right. You can pick up extra ingredients before they get absorbed into cauldron, if you are fast enough

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Get legendary buff that lets you deal damage only with crits.
Then stack critchance pretty much and all buffs for skills like lower coldowns etc.

gray pagoda
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I never get lucky with the rng items ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

proven iron
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Also get blue items that gets you 15% chance to convert enchancer into items. Then BUY a lot of enchancer and sell them back (yes that sounds stupid)

gray pagoda
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So are enhancers even necessary?

proven iron
gray pagoda
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I think I'm rank 32. Haven't done the dungeon in a while.

proven iron
# gray pagoda So are enhancers even necessary?

Well they do help a bit, but compared to items they have quite low effect. Basicly you get 15% extra item on enchancer sell, Then you buy like a few hundreds of them and sell them back to the shop

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It gives insane ammount of white items, and they boost your crit rate and overall damage.

gray pagoda
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That makes sense

proven iron
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I managed solo clear the dungeon with 2 minutes remaining, and i struggled before

gray pagoda
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Damn

proven iron
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Funnily enough the slowest part is 3rd frog. As soon as you get skelefrogs they give you isnane ammount of gold and you can just spam more items and enchancer conversion as soon as you start killing them.

gray pagoda
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So buy enhancers before you buy rng items?

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Or vice versa?

proven iron
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Not really dont touch enchancer buying until you get the blue item converter, or maybe 2 of them if you really lucky.
Then buy all enchancers you can afford and sell them.
Buy both items and enchancers in equal measure.

plucky edge
gray pagoda
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Oh, it's an rng item?

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I thought you meant it was a bonus in the dungeon shop

proven iron
rugged token
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Easter gem shop bundle came up and 101 of the monster boxes yielded this hahaha 1084 orb score on DK at the end

proven iron
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Its not intuitive that you can BUY enchancer for extremely cheap to sell them back

rugged token
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29k cards from 101 spawns hahaha both monster cards rubied way over

rugged token
cerulean hemlock
proven iron
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Bruh, optimizing premium purchases with Dk orb sounds like bullshit Kurlk

rugged token
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Just monsters that can drop stuff

proven iron
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Imagine you do something wrong and get x10 times less than you paid for, lol

rugged token
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rest of it isn't effected

worldly gulch
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I guess im holding on to those sppawn eggs until i got some decent strength on my dk

cerulean hemlock
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๐Ÿคฃ

rugged token
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22.81x DR and started spawning them on like 750-800 orb score, ended at 1084

rugged token
zinc torrent
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Nearly there with the ladles, thank F

proven iron
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How do i get a lot of flurbos? People said i can max out flurbo shop in a few weeks but i press X to doubt so far.

proven iron
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I managed to burn 24 passes for nothing when prayer glitched out. GuyMontag

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And we even killed 4 frogs

rugged token
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10 Minutes of dopamine done back to GuyMontag grinding hahaha

hushed torrent
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hey dudes uh im on turning my luster armor to starfire but i need a lot of manta ray for chest armor i think?
and my barb on max can get 3700 fish per hour how do i increase that?

glacial venture
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high sample rate, fishing gear, unless you are high in rift, fishing cards and....skip that shit armor^^

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only good for slap...otherwise waste

hushed torrent
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hmm

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still i focused on both eff and speed

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still

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i dont get much

glacial venture
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whats your sample size shown under construction skill?

hushed torrent
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one sec

worldly gulch
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hoe does multikill interact with droprate?

glacial venture
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no hoes here

hushed torrent
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sample rate is 32 percent

glacial venture
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thats why

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try to get royal sampler prayer

hushed torrent
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i mean i put samples on gold fish and bloas so salts can keep going

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cant put sample on manta

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unless i will have problem with salts

uncut owl
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is doot still alive?

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pet

hushed torrent
glacial venture
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not if you only have sample size of 32

hushed torrent
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i havent equiped it yet tho xd

glacial venture
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even a lvl 1 increases sample size by 15%

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there was a fishing star sign too, right?

hushed torrent
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i really didnt go after stars

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so gotta go do the challenges to unlock more

glacial venture
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whats your multi fish odds?

rugged token
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Only have to do a few more runs on PD now for +18 slab happy

hushed torrent
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i have 100 on the big bubble and 20 percent on stars i think and 5 percent on stamps

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im not sure rn cuz i just closed the game

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thank you for your advice tho!

glacial venture
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do you do your arcade regulary?

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but atm you should bring up your sample prayer...the lost exp can be neglected

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if you can bring your sample size to 60 you nearly already doubled your current samples

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google for idleon insight and type in there sample size

proven iron
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Do balloons give % exp like pearls or are they still more usefull on lower levels of the skill?

glacial venture
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should give you lots of possible sources

scarlet cypress
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When speedrunning vman, when you kill bosses do you get ยซportalcreditยป for all by just killing nightmare or you have to do all 3?

plucky edge
#

just kill nightmare get others for free

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3 in 1 deal

#

buy now

scarlet cypress
#

Ah Sweet cheers

hollow gazelle
#

hit my first T damage happy wish my other chars would scale as good as sb does

valid rivet
#

Any tips on spending these on something productive?

teal lynx
#

Often times these are used to get your Characters to lvl 50 Cooking. So you get the 500 level bonus from Skill Mastery in Rift

glacial venture
#

if you can avoid it...dont use balloons for cooking 50

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use pearls

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and ballooons after 50

paper sail
#

Balloons for the first few levels (10 or 15), then Black Pearl to 30, Divinity Pearl to 50. You probably won't have enough Divinity Pearls if you don't have Doot just pooping them out though

exotic juniper
#

So whatโ€™s yโ€™allโ€™s crystal % on DK?

sick sentinel
#

3.95

teal lynx
#

3.94 GuyMontag

sick sentinel
prime dagger
#

My enemies

rugged token
#

All dungeon items done happy

steady beacon
olive sphinx
proven iron
steady beacon
#

Coldseeker bullets, last crafting tab.

proven iron
#

uff, yeah, i still need to get to that.

glacial venture
#

with coldseeker bullets crafting goes boom

proven iron
#

I mean by the time i get them, i probably will have lvl 100 crafting naturally GuyMontag

faint niche
knotty helm
#

Where should I be in Rift at like. Mid world 5?

#

And is w5 supposed to be slow af to get through? I'm not supposed to have like multikill on the mobs right?

faint niche
#

I'm on 34 myself rn as I can't kill all the mobs before they respawn yet on my 3rd toon

glacial venture
#

good for mason jar stamp too@faint niche...not getting full effect when crafting lvl is low

knotty helm
#

@faint niche oh Jesus. Like what's your charecters damage?

faint niche
knotty helm
#

Ah those are my two God classes too lol

#

I'm waiting on +25 levels for books artifact to try

#

I am also trying to unlock troll armor

glossy rain
#

How do you guys get enough void bars for salt?

faint niche
glossy rain
#

I Have 4 upgraded spots running and it runs out

#

For bars?

faint niche
#

oooh for the smelted

glossy rain
#

Y

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For void salt

sick sentinel
#

you can candy or 2 min claim on ur archers

fallen torrent
#

All leaves are done, now onto new GS ๐Ÿ˜›

glossy rain
#

But thats not a permanent solution :S

faint niche
#

um.... im not sure, I think i have like4 stacks with w5 fuel on them going

fallen torrent
#

i'd say not to use those fuel to be honest

#

good to keep em for 10M stack in storage for the 200 GS quest in equinox dream ^^

rugged token
#

fuel is fine on the later bars

#

the first few bars eat through it

fallen torrent
#

but i guess if oyu are far from it you can use some

steady spruce
#

yeh i made the mistake of putting oil on copper, it absolutely chewed through it

#

burned like 1m before i realised

faint niche
#

usually I just pull all the ore out when I get a high enough stack of them in my bank

torpid umbra
#

alchemy isn't boosted by skill effeciency right?

knotty helm
#

Bruh that's so much more insane than I have no where near thT lol

fallen torrent
#

mh

faint niche
#

but for rift 34, what class hsould i try to get my 3rd clear on? Im not sure which would be best to try it on

sick sentinel
fallen torrent
#

@circ do you know for my uestion just above?

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if i use 1hr candy and i put 1 fuel in each slot without the auto arm. will it use 1 fuel for the whole 1hr candy, like food? This ๐Ÿ™‚

south root
#

What should I focus on with the atom collider? Unlocked it about a week ago and unlocked until Boron, but I dont have anything that requires 100m per upgrade yet

#

Should I stop unlocking things and focus on levelling up something earlier in the collider?

fallen torrent
#

R.i.P W5 chat - 17:27 EST ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

torpid umbra
#

Ive personally been pushing No Bubble

fallen torrent
#

no bubble left behind one, atom click one, and power of 10 one ๐Ÿ˜„

#

whatever you can reach decently ๐Ÿ™‚

torpid umbra
#

oh yeah P10

#

my fuels didn't refill, but I can't remember if I had any spare in my chest or not (I for sure dont have any in my chest rn)

#

so take that with a grain of salt

rough wasp
copper mural
#

Finally got all of my meals in cooking to a minimum of 30

thin lark
#

How's my anvil speed looking y'all?

paper sail
#

Depends on your stage of the game lol

thin lark
#

I'm early-late-mid-mid-game Frog_Gentlemen

paper sail
#

Ornn, is that you?

thin lark
paper sail
#

I wouldn't say just the bubble, but.. a lot of it, yes

sick sentinel
paper sail
thin lark
paper sail
#

If only Scoli_1 ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

#

There was someone a while ago that was threatening to make an alt and steal Scoli 11 from me out of spite

#

I will be big mad if they really did

thin lark
#

Soulface IdleOn blackmail is alive and well

elfin idol
thin lark
paper sail
elfin idol
paper sail
#

Ehhh, it'd just say uh..

#

oh, what was it

rugged token
#

they'd never expect 11_Scoli

paper sail
#

"This account has been banned from lookups."

thin lark
#

Clinical

elfin idol
#

I can never resist putting easter eggs in my code

barren otter
thin lark
#

A moderate flex was enough haha

paper sail
#

While building out my list of expected/possible Greenstacks, I am logging out unexpected gstacks. aka those people that had Gstacks of items I didn't think were possible. It mostly just highlighted silly cheaters to me, but it also just found a character named Unexpected_Taco ๐Ÿ˜‚

#

So thank you for the chuckle, whoever you are

thin lark
#

The best kind of taco Grumblo_Pray

fallen torrent
#

haha scoli

#

i am going better on GS!

#

178 ๐Ÿ˜„

paper sail
#

Very nice

#

I've been staring at 193 for a long while now

fallen torrent
#

im doing dogbones right now on my DK.... SAD

#

working on bullets on the side

paper sail
#

I started statue stacking before bed on the 13th. It is now the 26th, 13 days later

thin lark
#

Anybody know the best mob to farm small mana potions on?

fallen torrent
#

i have almost a GS on statue too

#

Beans. the zebra

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Bean

thin lark
#

With DK?

fallen torrent
#

Ye

paper sail
#

I heavily regret the time I spent doing Bubo on Frogs. I should have just stuck with DK until I was finished, then did Bubo on Wurms for decanting afterwards

fallen torrent
#

i didnt do frog more than a night

#

then i was like, meh a waste of time

thin lark
#

Dogge Why Bubo on frogs?

fallen torrent
#

Statue/decant duo farm

thin lark
#

Decant being CC?

fallen torrent
#

yeah

thin lark
#

Word

paper sail
#

Definitely put me behind several days GuyMontag I was hoping to be finished entirely with 14-15 days

thin lark
#

Can't imagine it beats out Citrines or Worms yeah? nvm, statue farming

paper sail
#

Nope. Depending on your lag, it is something like 75-85% of the stautes that DK gets at Beans, and about 65% of the CC you'd get from Tremor Wurms

thin lark
#

Yeaaaah, that doesn't seem worth haha

paper sail
#

Trading off that 15-25% statues and Cons progress, for some CC

sudden crater
#

For the statue guy

paper sail
#

20k is not the goal, 10m is hahaha

thin lark
#

I've made decent progress towards eclipsing Citrines with my Bubo alone. I should probably get him to worms GuyMontag

paper sail
#

They do be juicy ๐Ÿคค

sudden crater
thin lark
#

Almost want to get Bubo to 1T citrine kills just for the...idk steeze? Seems like a weird self restriction haha, but hey

paper sail
#

Once I finish 200 gstacks, I'm probably going Bubo for the rest of w5

#

Buy it will be at Tremors lol

#

And I'll actually rip the bottom 6 off sigils into liquid cauldrons too

rough wasp
#

Frogs only good when u donโ€™t lag GuyMontag

paper sail
#

I swear my numbers were worse each day than the last

#

I wouldn't have gone more than the first overnight if it had measured at 75%

rough wasp
#

Mine comes out right overnight

paper sail
#

I'm sure it was from me messing with it during the day, not letting it be the focused app

rough wasp
#

I just have it on second monitor Grumblo_Pray

tough breach
#

oy does the multiplier by unlocking new plant tier is worth it ?

paper sail
#

I would need 3 or 4 before I could leave one always dedicated to IdleOn

#

Lefty holds IdleOn and the coding window. Righty holds.. Well, everything else. Poor Righty.

frank harbor
#

SUGGMA FINALLY DROPPED

night locust
#

You active farm it?

plucky edge
#

clean 100 praygi

sharp wind
#

The same one

fallen torrent
#

i have a mere 2.4mil dogbone to get

sharp wind
#

Still have it till now

fallen torrent
#

after that uh. i cant do red frisbee cause that would be messing up all mu sample

#

but at the same time, it could just get my all reworked. i need those dandelion. whatcha think guys?

sharp wind
fallen torrent
#

small and medium red pot, small green pot, large green pot, large and medium blue pot to gain

#

my last character had it. cause i neer gave it much love xD

#

lv 1 i dropped him at wurm and i kicked him

fallen torrent
#

1.72x

sharp wind
#

Hmm its not that big of a deal if u resample now tho imo

#

But its up to u since w6 is close

fallen torrent
#

i have a bunch of sample i am missing too

#

so i have to rework them and all, gotta do a speedrun with vman and im kinda bummed

#

i was expecting to maybe wait til i complete most GS for that,

sharp wind
#

Im still at 188gs so im not pushing to 200 since w6 is almost out maybe im gonna reach 190+ when w6 out

fallen torrent
#

i think i'll resample everything at W6

#

there's 13+ maps. so minimum 13+ monster mats to GS

#

thats a no brainer to just wait for that right

sharp wind
#

Ill do everything till w6 came out, but im sure its not gonna reach 200 before w6 since theres not enough time

#

Statues taking so long, still 6mGuyMontag

fallen torrent
#

i cant react on lava post. in future content, how to be able to?

#

sneaking statue

#

another task to farm those statues. im scared

#

time to use auto review bot

#

dang i have 2 GS missing from bullfrog and worker bees. hm hm

#

i can do strange rock! yeah!

rough wasp
fallen torrent
#

you cant talk to me anymore again ducky

rough wasp
pine pond
#

Lf 1 and 2 button

fallen torrent
#

you broke my heart

torpid umbra
#

Wait. Does each class pay less for their specific cauldron color?

fallen torrent
#

yeah

torpid umbra
#

Oh for the love of god....

#

Rip like 1m salt

olive drift
#

Hey ducky, I'ma do it again

fallen torrent
#

and just like that, strange rock GS

rough wasp
fallen torrent
#

180 GS

#

peepoSit hey @rough wasp

rough wasp
fallen torrent
#

time to candy some worker bees. cause im lacking

#

@paper sail Max speed catching is 62 roight

prisma drift
#

Catching is not capped at 62

fallen torrent
#

what is it then? i never seem to remember

#

cause i have both food, and i just reach 53 ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

prisma drift
#

I donโ€™t think anyone has hit it

fallen torrent
#

and i feel like thats low, considering i can hit max speed on other char with just like fries/icing

prisma drift
#

Cards all ruby?

#

Good net

fallen torrent
#

not the fairy one

prisma drift
#

Skill speed star talent

fallen torrent
#

max net

manic moat
#

In a couple days I have to be away from the game for a week, where should I afk my guys? skilling?

fallen torrent
#

skill speed maxed

#

i could get fdairy card ruby by buying it,

snow light
fallen torrent
#

idk how hard they are to farm using candies

sick sentinel
rugged token
#

more statues on w6 release PogPig

fallen torrent
#

i was right to keep my statues ๐Ÿ™‚

manic moat
#

I don't have doot if that helps

#

all gmush, that would be good.

amber dagger
#

Are plunderous mobs hp not showing up or dying a glitch or do I not deal enough dmg

fallen torrent
#

at that point im wondering should i use +60% food effect card set for catfhing ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

paper sail
fallen torrent
#

i'll test out difference in gains

#

hm loss of 50k/hr bugs

prisma drift
#

Iโ€™m only at 55/h on catching tbh

fallen torrent
#

55 if i use the card set

#

but i am better going with the eff gain card set

wanton gazelle
#

What about those of us who were here for w2 launch? Lmao why don't we get a cool emote to hit

fallen torrent
#

wait no. might be wrong forgot card change.

prisma drift
#

Because w2 was launched with w1

fallen torrent
#

same.

#

2hr=70 fairy card. decent

wanton gazelle
fallen torrent
#

thats 72 2hr candy

prisma drift
#

There wasnโ€™t a world 2 release lol

wanton gazelle
#

Week 1 OG

#

I dunno it was a bad joke ig lmao

prisma drift
#

Youโ€™re too Og is the issue

#

Lava assumes the old players all quit Ha

fallen torrent
#

hm

#

i wsa here since the beginning

wanton gazelle
#

I did for about 8 months lmao

fallen torrent
#

Hence why i have Eyern boots

wanton gazelle
#

But I came back

amber dagger
#

I've been here since almost very beggining but took a break inbetween

fallen torrent
#

i took reak when W4 came

#

for like a year

amber dagger
#

Break as in didn't put as much effort

fallen torrent
#

cause of life issue

amber dagger
#

And rarely played

amber dagger
fallen torrent
#

996 fairy card left

#

fairy rubied

#

181 GS ๐Ÿ˜„

exotic juniper
#

So whatโ€™s yalls Div god rank? Iโ€™m on 2

fallen torrent
#

1

prisma drift
#

4

#

Thought I had 5 today

#

Rolled 3 5% chances GuyMontag

fallen torrent
#

ive been rolling 1-5-10% to get god rank 2

#

like 15 time, and nothing

#

so im like fuck divinity now

exotic juniper
#

I finally hit 1250 construction

#

Are beans best spot for ES to farm 100k statues?

prisma drift
#

I just candy skilling nodes GuyMontag

#

I hate ES

fallen torrent
#

true with void bar and higher

#

my forge only use like 100 W5 oil for 1hr candy at mush ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

torpid umbra
fallen torrent
#

6426 for me ๐Ÿ˜„

#

im taking a break for now. working on gs

snow light
fallen torrent
#

woindering why i was lacking dmg.

#

i forgot speed potion on my SB for when i went for skilling xD

snow light
#

finally done with this one relic Grumblo_Pray

fallen torrent
#

Congrats!!

static ice
#

What are your thoughts on merit to prio for w5

fallen torrent
#

182 GS ๐Ÿ˜„

#

so i wanna do, Average mana potion, small speed potion, average stenght potrion

#

Should i just active dk at bullfrog?

#

small and average life potion too*

glacial venture
#

dont need small mana potions anymore?

fallen torrent
#

i got 32M

#

i have to do the icing, but i think 32m im good?

#

know what. i'll go make the icing 10m right now

glacial venture
#

barely enough

#

you need 2 per

#

so you are good

fallen torrent
#

great, but yeah mana potion small ones not needed anymore ^^

#

also need 7mil bullet left.

#

and 9m W5 bullet

glacial venture
#

feel you with the w5 bullets^^

fallen torrent
#

got few craftabvle GS imma do right now tonight

#

i put my ES on farming Dandelion

#

because i was clicking bubble hourly i didnt get a dandelion sample

glacial venture
#

if you play on steam..start crafting from inventory and tab out while still holding mouse button

fallen torrent
#

oh i know ๐Ÿ˜›

glacial venture
#

this way you can do other stuff while crafting

glacial venture
#

yep

fallen torrent
#

yeah you hold click. then wait til you reach a decent speed on the green button, move it to the side of the screen for higher speed

#

than after 4-5 sec of being in the corner with high speed. just Tab out

glacial venture
#

you think people would craft 10m things otherwise?

fallen torrent
#

while holding

safe harness
sweet pine
#

the damaged is done EmojiSuperSad

cerulean hemlock
glacial venture
#

tbh...i only know it for a month or 2

sweet pine
#

i'm holding mouse for 2 hours for 2 GS bullets

glacial venture
#

but didnt gs any crafting stuff at that time^^

sweet pine
#

at least i know what to do with icy now Grumblo_Pray

glacial venture
#

right now im at 191 gs

fallen torrent
#

i used that trick since the beginning of the possible trick xD

cerulean hemlock
fallen torrent
#

i can get like 185 quite decently quick

#

crafting right now

cerulean hemlock
#

That way you're still clicking while permanently damaging the mouse grumblo_thumbsup

sweet pine
#

so i couldn't do that

fallen torrent
#

i'd be suprised to see you guys reaction to my mouse speed clicking

glacial venture
#

crafted most skilling food by now

cerulean hemlock
fallen torrent
#

how expensive pepega

sweet pine
#

like 100$ mouse

fallen torrent
#

us right?

cerulean hemlock
#

I'm so... darned... close...

sweet pine
#

yeah, 100 USD

fallen torrent
#

okay like mine

#

keyboard worth the same

sweet pine
#

used for FPS gaming, but no more

cerulean hemlock
glacial venture
#

worth and cost are not the same^^

fallen torrent
#

oh not for me

#

i just like quality,

#

i had a 85$ mouse for 7 years

glacial venture
#

my mouse costs 8 euro or so...rgb mouse...cable tho

sweet pine
#

mine is 10 years now, still decent

fallen torrent
#

and the left click and wheel button decided not to work properly anymore ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

glacial venture
#

left click is always first to give up

#

unless you are left handed

fallen torrent
#

i mean like, i used to play heavy clicker heroe too

glacial venture
#

old games were worse

#

i remember winter games destroying joysticks^^

#

or summer games^^

#

yes im old^^

sweet pine
#

winter games will lower your skill while playing FPS / MOBA Grumblo_Pray

#

the good thing about winter is you couldn't bother to fight with your team when thing goes bad in competitive games

glacial venture
#

how many joysticks hit the walls back then^^

sweet pine
#

my friend once came to my house and asked to borrow my monitor

#

i asked why, he said he throw a punch to his monitor during CSGO

#

welp

glacial venture
#

you:"and what game are you planning to play with it?"

#

he:"csgo"

sweet pine
#

never saw him playing that game since that incident.

cerulean hemlock
#

Only people with weak minds would do that Grumblo_Pray

glacial venture
#

making me wonder....if you throw a joystick against an american wall....what gets damaged?^^

sweet pine
#

MOBA can help your mind grow stronger, but you gonna lose it completely if you make a wrong step imo Grumblo_Pray

cerulean hemlock
fallen torrent
#

icing is done

#

peanut time

#

Peanut were already done....

cerulean hemlock
fallen torrent
#

i mean im making some for golden peanut GS

snow light
cerulean hemlock
snow light
#

sorry man i lost track of time been so busy with life lol

cerulean hemlock
glacial venture
#

dont you need like 2b hotdogs for 10m golden peanuts?

snow light
#

its doable... just takes time like anything else in this game

vapid warren
#

Is there any site or place for you to check what your alchemy xp/hr is?

normal minnow
#

easter pack good or nah?

glacial venture
#

i liked it....but i was very small back then....its with the silver and gold eggs, right?

normal minnow
#

yep

glacial venture
#

gold eggs summon either mini bosses or green mushs

#

but minis only up to w3 i think

normal minnow
#

i see

glacial venture
#

when i bought them i was still in w2^^

#

but you can fight king doot

frank harbor
# night locust You active farm it?

I did both. Active ES on my phone while at work, just set it aside with ringer on. Active overnight with ES too. Several other characters also AFKed the map at the same time

void belfry
#

is this where krakens are farmed

shrewd hound
#

How much dmg should i get to before i can start farming Nightmare Kattle?

gray pagoda
#

Why do people use SB specifically for gmush kills?

shrewd hound
#

The forge progress?

gray pagoda
#

And what do I need to do to farm immense amounts of them?

normal minnow
#

i think forge progress + good kph

fast grail
#

Dont even need "Good" kph, fairly easy to cap

shrewd hound
gray pagoda
#

Anything I should keep in mind when I put him to work farming them later?

fast grail
gray pagoda
#

Currently trying to reach Kruk with him for the tasks, was planning on doing gmush farming with him after.

shrewd hound
#

GMUSH farming is something that has some buffs for it but i want to say its something for every 100m kills or something?

fast grail
#

Think its every 1m

gray pagoda
#

Yeah, you get more cash per 1M kills

fast grail
#

yeah 1 m

gray pagoda
#

I just want to know how to reach 1M kph with him

fast grail
#

w1 deathnote is very important

modest skiff
#

Why cant i trade sailing mats for gold? Its a red bar with explenation marks at top of trader

fast grail
#

damage, respawn

shrewd hound
#

like this?

modest skiff
#

Yes

shrewd hound
#

Do you have the material youre trying to trade?

gray pagoda
#

Yeah I'm struggling with damage a bit lol. I need to start doing quick slap more in alch. GuyMontag

modest skiff
#

Yes i do

shrewd hound
#

Send a picture, Some of the materials look super similar to their counterparts

fast grail
modest skiff
#

It requires 2k snowmen, i got 104k

gray pagoda
modest skiff
#

Cant send pic (dont have permission :( )

void belfry
#

yo can anyone give a quick carry on hh

fast grail
shrewd hound
#

Yeah make sure its the right snowman, one had 2 arms one has 4

modest skiff
#

Oooh

#

Ur right! XD

#

I have the wrong one lol... thanks

gray pagoda
shrewd hound
#

Yeah ive done the same thing then checked and found a small difference

gray pagoda
#

Equip something better than dementia pants/boots GuyMontag

modest skiff
#

Havent unlocked that one yet.. thx for clearing it up :)

shrewd hound
gray pagoda
#

I swear, trench water is the bane of my existence

#

WHY DO YOU NEED SO MUCH FOR STUPID ARMOR?

fast grail
gray pagoda
#

I always forget to get it when I'm doing alchemy ๐Ÿ˜›

gray pagoda
#

Not really in my budget rn ๐Ÿ˜…

shrewd hound
#

@gray pagoda Are you not doing your cranium cookings?

fast grail
#

Do things to get it in your budget Grumblo_Pray

noble sable
gray pagoda
#

Not really, no. I forget to do a lot of stuff.

shrewd hound
#

If you can i would try to start active afking on your bubo for that

gray pagoda
#

Weekly bosses, cog clicking, etc.

shrewd hound
#

Solves the trench water problem pretty easily

gray pagoda
#

I don't have auto loot, and this laptop does not have the power to run for more than 20 minutes unmatched before my game starts lagging so bad I have to turn off auto

shrewd hound
#

You can always item filter everything except like trophies

fast grail
#

the $5 is full worth it

#

This game is not a true free game, its on free trial until you buy autoloot

gray pagoda
shrewd hound
#

Auto loot probably wont solve the issue unless youre able to keep depositing items, if its that bad take the L while doing it and just item filter the main drop

gray pagoda
#

However, I'm a minor and my mother is very strict

noble sable
#

I got mine like this

gray pagoda
#

I've literally never heard of that

sweet pine
shrewd hound
#

@gray pagoda Youre playing on steam right?

noble sable
gray pagoda
sweet pine
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copium

noble sable
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It must be better in dollars I believehahaha

gray pagoda
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@shrewd hound Why, does Steam have rewards too?

shrewd hound
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No i was going to send a gift card code but steam is weird and doesnt let you just buy a code you have to be steam friends with the person youre sending it to

sweet pine
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30 days as friend

gray pagoda
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Oh, dude, you really don't have to do that, it's just a game, it isn't that big of a deal ๐Ÿ˜…

sand hamlet
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whats the best way to do dream #21?

noble sable
sand hamlet
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its the one where you get to round 115 with 4 pets

noble sable
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Seaech for equinox topic one

gray pagoda
tawny jetty
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Just got another doot lol.

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Free roll ๐Ÿ™‚

shrewd hound
tawny jetty
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Heโ€™s got a friend lol.

gray pagoda
gray pagoda
shrewd hound
noble sable
shrewd hound
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@gray pagoda were you able to redeem the gift card?

gray pagoda
gray pagoda
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If you want, just dm me or go to #off-topic-chat so we aren't cluttering things up here lol

shrewd hound
gray pagoda
sweet pine
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why feel bad? it's a good stuff Grumblo_Pray

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take everything

rustic garnet
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Where is the best map to farm small str potions?

gray pagoda
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Yeah but he spent actual money on that ๐Ÿ˜“

sweet pine
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that's 1 combo of popeyes for me Grumblo_Pray

tulip kayak
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I went to check and

sweet pine
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meanie wtf

vapid warren
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I got a Vman Crystal Countdown question. If a skill is capped out on its xp from CC. Will it be excluded from the list of possible skills when continuing to fight Crystal mobs?

shrewd hound
vapid warren
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So just to confirm, what you're saying is if a skill is capped out, lets say mining. If I keep killing crystal mobs, there IS a chance it will go to mining but just do nothing...?

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Thank you!

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I totally forgot about it for a while >_>

gray pagoda
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Honestly, I hope Lava changes something so that Vman can be more efficient at killing things. Super high crystal chance can't do much if you can't kill regular mobs quickly.

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I'm talking about mostly crowd control btw

vapid warren
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Would you say its worth doing CCD with these skills?

rapid shale
vapid warren
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My Vman is like 90% busy at wurms. I have cookie on rn

fast grail
vapid warren
fast grail
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You have those skill levels an you never CCD? GuyMontag

shrewd hound
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Yeah im ngl ive never touched that ability

vapid warren
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Trapping and worship are both #2 rn. I pushed hard with my ES and trapping i didnt know i should only use nature traps

rapid shale
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can i turn on unending loot for sailing now that ive got all eldritch?

vapid warren
shrewd hound
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what is unending loot

vapid warren
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The stacking loot crates from sailing

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Damn. I didnt wanna take it off but I guess i gotta lol

shrewd hound
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How would taking it off make artifacts more common though?

rapid shale
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maybe ll work on 300 boats

vapid warren
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I'm guessing cuz the base chest doesnt have that much worst of a artifact % chance than a rare chest

rapid shale
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ye, ive been doing 2 hour claims a lot since getting to w5 in octobor

shrewd hound
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Do upgraded chests have a lower artifact chance?

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So wouldnt you want the perk so that chests get upgraded?

rapid shale
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only at 22 chests rn, but ill probably keep it off, doing my hourly clicks anyway

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i see what you mean

shrewd hound
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Sailing should be in Quick Ref

vapid warren
shrewd hound
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And then he didnt do it ๐Ÿ’€

normal minnow
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anyone have dk active talents?

sweet pine
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last attempt, 7th cape done Grumblo_Pray

paper sail
vapid warren
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Do you guys use crystal island for Vman or BM?

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I feel like both would be good choices

cerulean hemlock
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๐Ÿฅฑ It is 11 for me....