#lategame-chat-w5๐-w6๐ธ
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Aww that gif is cute
Just use stingy fists
but i like my spear :(
scythe best spear bring it back
You must change, young panda disciple
im older than you 
Spear looks better than gloves
๐ฎโ๐จ I'm 18+, is that not good enough?
You are young in the ways of Idleon
I must admit it does
im glad you didnt see the second ring on my second es
i saw
I chose to ignore
Also, grind for giant mob
i already active 24/7

just a casual 11B copper in storage
its not that much when you sample for billions
and if his agi bubble is that high he probably does that
no im more concerned about the storage slots it uses up
their*
Get luckier >:D
IVE GOT AN IDEA
im not
Uh oh! ๐
not copper yet
Oh I thought you were done with wis and working on the other two lol

well, i was then stopped, then back on it again 
Btw, I cancelled my Taiwan flight 
im working towards atoming the luk bubble... and getting lvl 13 for thread...
how come
pushing this to 10k then idk if ill do copper
Since the Boeing plane incident
i just leave the samples for eff and i dont wanna redo it again when i resample 
Also, my passport may have some political issues surrounding it
unless w6 will eat up all my slots 
I was so *** hyped
how else will you get that 250 GS equinox dream

its like 2-3 level per (candy)hour ?
Adorable emote 
yea
I'm just gonna wait for W6 and then candy stats forever
i get ~1.6b with ruck at oak
dont atom luck bubble, its worthless, dont do the same error I did with my smooth brain
dont test me
so the issue is, do i active bubo now for statue farming for the additional cranium cooking? i mean i would need to click the exp bubbble alot and i dont think i can do that with me clicking plants all the time

with ruck ๐ฎ that a good sample you got
Active bubo yes!!!
i just wanna get it to atom range i dont want NBLB to level it is all but mostly i wanna get thread to lvl 13 for vial mastery
thats why im decanting too 
ah, smart 
how bad is the lag at frogs for u tho contract
Its not too bad I guess but still dont think its worth doing
None!
Since, I don't HAVE bubo on this new account, I've outsmarted the system!!! Mwahahaha!
kept crashing at frog on bubo at to go back to wurm
so ducky i would assume you are recommending to farm frogs with Bubo?
Its not a bad farm I just dont see myself doing it very much
You're still gonna win. I'm bad at cashing in consumables
If at all
of getting ok CC with statues
if u want pure statues or pure CC, then u do beans on DK and wurms on bubo
but i just want both rn
i been lazy with biggie too 
The biggest deal breaker for me is the con
I look at my bubos con and it hurts my soul
yea rn im not caring too much about con
lol me and @fallow aurora Fooling around in #849487657363832922
LOOK AT IT
its only u
I have to push con. The shrines demand a tribute
;3 You punched me
i wanted 500 decants
It's beautiful
but not getting statues felt so fucking bad too

@rough wasp might i ask for your card setup?
one sec im candying oak 

its pretty much DK setup tho
so double 1 36% dr and the djinn cards?
oh
It's not 17million but it's something
ty
Opted to farm lucky lads in w3 for the stereos and it was def the right choice. Already having better luck getting them to drop from crystals compared to t worms
Have you been clicking your tickets lately?
gotten 3 in like an hour
did 50 only today tho
Have you been using any of them too?
Insane
and time blocking a time to do colo
Nice whats the gem count up to
basically tripled your bonus from that nugget
was kinda annoying
do prints go beyond 1050 if you turn of atom collider?
Nope

You need seperate stacks
SO TURN IT BACK ON YOU DOOFUS! >;3
Interesting

so if i put like 20 stacks of it does it fill those before atoming it?
frfr
someone told me not to ruby it
Correct

Christmas event in April
i mean
im so damn far behind for con :((((((((((
And no I'm not kidding
My giftmas box was 3* after the last event
I cardified it twice
Best stat in the game 
Whatcha gonna about it?
The nerve to show me a 4* DR card while simultaneously neglecting con
nek update u shall get
Thats a fucking low blow man
im like 50 gems off of dragonic cauldron hold on like till wednesday... ill be ready after my colo runs
You lie :p
While he holds 6 cardifiers
Hey, at least I snapped personal cons before moving over to Bubo
Just kill chizoar like 70 times
I cant do this
๐ฎ whenever contract curses it isn't good
contract is midgame waifu 
oh definitely leave after that comment
I'll have you know that my current idleon server "fuck" counter is at 130
๐คฃ Gotta traumatize him first
Well 131 now I guess
wince
Oops
Mine is at zero
Can we make it 132 
You wish
131 out of 51k truly is an occasion
check me
Done
Also, it's three ;3
fuck yeah
Well yeah its not like every sentence I say has to include it
๐คฃ some people curse like sailors
some guy in this chat called deathly used to swear a ton lol
wonder if he got banned or muted
I wouldnt say I curse like a sailor but I do curse more in person than in discord
Brave has 3k+ messages with kkkkkkk wiwth it
oh really?
My brain filters myself when I type... sometimes
The most recent one was a quote
Idiot me didn't know what the final 2 abbreviations meant back then
I used to also use lm_o
is there any vman run guides?
Neither from my understanding, he just quit 
oh right lol
Yeah deathly left on his own terms
Not many can handle the grind
thanks
He probably would have gotten banned if he was around for companions but he left before then lol
๐ซก Salutations to deathly
rip Tony :(
He lives on


Tony started playing again 
will we ever know if he got up off the throne?
BEGIN THE PRAYING CHAIN 
i gots ta know???
There's a server
a server you say?
Yeah, I'll dm the invite 
Me ๐
never 
i got 1 whole ass 24h in my colo runs today
I like the impact that curse words have

Skill issue
You don't curse at all
Giftmas box issue
If I cursed, it'd be a monumental occasion
Does the DK / Squire Orb of Rememberance affect all character's printers or just the one? It does not say but the Wizard/Bowman abilities do
I do it more often when speaking not typing
Also I dont really use that many on english mostly
It affects all prints
Is the 5 star cardifier worth buying
Is it rare for it to rotate into the limited store?
when he plays diablo 
Do I have to recapture the prints or does it do this to existing prints?
same, If I dont censor myself hard here I would be on fast track to speedrunning a ban
Mines the opposite. I curse more in english than I do in portuguese
It increases your existing prints
No need to resample
Its probably been in at least half of the limited shop rotations since it first came out if not more. Not rare at all
Cool then i ma hold off from buying it for now
Granted thats not a guarantee that it will always be that way. The only rule in the limited shop is that lava does whatever he wants with it
Itโs gonna be rare next time lava does an update and then game isnโt updated for 8 months 
Lol
;3 That sounds exciting
Can you even get banned for profanity?
one of which is free loot
If Deathly wasnt banned I dont think its possible lol
remember when lava was doing weekly updates early last year
WEEKLY?
id rather have a mostly finished world than a new world bit by bit
Yeah wheres my weekly new world update
yeah for around 2 months
Not having W6 yet is kinda shit
Small qol
Meh, more time to prep
I think so
sounds about right
And boop
respawn boop wasn't op at ALL ;3
yeah nah not at all
Yeah people got to keep their boop gstacks even after it was nerfed 
Op
when new worlds come out, especially new classes wild shit normally sneaks though
True
only time game got sent backwards was after the gold sailing shit
The hot new ladder pull mechanic is what I'm looking forward to the most in W6
That was a special case
yeah that annoys me a lot, stupid ways to get far ahead and then bam its gone
excited to see how or if world 6 launch will be as much as a mess as most others have been exploit wise 
and thats coming from someone who experienced a good amount of the "ladder pull moments"
W5 wasnt actually too bad with it though
If there's any game changing exploit, I'll either
A) report
B) Elude the exploit
W5 lacked content
Only really notable one was the sailing time exploit but that doesnt really matter any more
needs more quests
Sorry, lacks
needs a mini boss too
no W5 critter, breeding pet, or miniboss, or colo
I need that 400 luck dang it
or pets
Hot take
No W5 actual secrets
I think it would need a miniboss, then
colo would be nice for w5 but I"m ok without the rest
because it doesnt have anything that makes it unique either lol
At a minimum
Having some features exist in some worlds and not in others is fine imo
its easy to say dont add it, but it literally is less than all the other worlds with no compensation in content
We had no colo ticket NPC for W4, so I don't complain
has the three skills and then what
If W8 is lab but 100x harder the world's doomed

I agree
And I enjoy having characters in it
but what if you needed ALL but one char in lab?
Fine with me
All chars?
I don't like that, I think we should of been given a way to get characters out of lab without losing the bonuses and not need doot to do it
Tbf divinities is a good enough solution for the time being
If the mechanic in question is good enough to justify giving up active play then sure I'd put all of them in it
Would be nice to shut my pc off at night every now and then

But the point is, active play is such a large component of the gaame
but you can only ever active on 1 char, unless you know something you not sharing 
I dont see how active play is a bad thing though
i hope world 6 buffs afk game play too
People say active shouldnt be so much stronger than afk but its a game
Imagine you could active on four different pcs
Literally almost every game ever requires active play
this is an idle game though
But the game's called IDLEon
People just assume this is an idle game though
Yeah its not an idle game lol
I just hope the skills are better than w5, I like the idea of the slow, somewhat passive progress, but the rng ruined gaming and sailing for me, both to be thrown into fkn dumpster when done
Aha! ActiveOn, the actual name
It may be market as that, but it is not 
And even if it was every idle game ive ever played has always encourged active play over idle play
well that's where laca can fix it somewhat
Idle for w3-W5 early
BUT THE SECOND YOU GET LEVEL 200 TENTCLEYE YOU'RE NEVER GOING BACK!!
Idle games arent games that are meant to be played idle they are games that allow you to play idle
i agree both of those skills are just not fun or rewarding in anyway
It honestly was really nice when it was released. Trying to manage 10 chars effeciently kinda sucked. Being able to put them in lab and not hurt your gains was really nice
Most games by default dont allow you to play idle at all
My RNG is below average.
Very below average, but I'm still...
eh
yeah but a lot of those games have aspects that rncourage you to afk for a particular bonus
Lab was originally planned to boost base stats based on how long you stuck them in for
ALONG WITH THE NODES
That would've been alchemy:the second
#remove the weapon dmg nerf
hehe
Just wait for the W6 base damage nerf
maybe QS and its siblings will be nerfed to scale worse
he can make bosses that ignore damage bonuses or something
and make damage based on some other stats
Contract coping cause he didnt play QS clicker
such as total skilling level etc
More likely he will nerf Bob
Just give us a survival test for a boss and make it deal tons of damage 
honestly, that just sounds like dungeon with extra steps, not big fan 
He will need to buff base dmg for all you noobs not able to kill w6 mobs 
would be the only way of making new worlds take longer than a month for prepped players
i got the last companion from finishing tier 3 odds 
theres no way he'll scale the mobs that hard

world 3 is still the hardest world
I want to go in to W6 and take a full day to clear the first mob
1QQ hp first mob
As if prepared players arent alredy miles ahead on total skilling Levels or any other metric you want
honestly, I would like for me to have equip normal food again in w6, would also reward lunatics that click ther FMJ bubble
Too bad we will prob reach final mob within just a couple hours max
meh nothing lava can rlly do to make the top 500 players happy
He has given us too much prep time compared to prior worlds, with too mna ythings that give benefits over a long period of time
new players into world five have like 60m dmg
As if you're not gonna have to eclipse the last map per char
not even that much
they dont even have 60m dmg
new players in w6 will have like 150m
more like 2m
I'm in 

I want w6 to be hard as well. Already said I want 1b mat required for gear
thats so unrealistic
Make it 2b.
I can see him doing a 100m mat cost, not 1b in w6 at least though
1b hampter equivalent for vman weapon 
2 new bags. 5b minimum
We only got 1 bag and 1 set of tools for w5 
I want W6 to be so obnoxious that it makes me consider playing ES
i can see it being 1b comfortably
w2 needs 1.5k for gold platebody by w5 that was like 1m
so it scales pretty hard
I still wont do it but I want to at least be compelled to consider it
Yeah but printer makes any amount kinda meaningless
Need something hard. Maybe like 5k rare mats
That sounds pretty cool
back when this was hard xd
honestly, if he made MK affect rare drops I'd be down
I cant wait for the 1 in 500,000,000 recipe drops 
1b rare mats 
I'll be disappointed if it literally isnt impossible
hahahaha
Damn I hadnt considered impossible
i wonder if he will ever do something about pc performance
There needs be at least 1 achievement that will not be acheived in the lifespan of the universe
requires you to bench irl and send a vid to lava
w6 is scaled to alvin
you guys know that w6 isnt supposed to be only for diehard Idleon sweats?
better he first tries to fix mobile overflow
fuck mobile
Skill issue
And that means we arent still allowed to have opinions?
like i get what you mean but thats not how expansions work in any game whatsoever
im not always home 
didnt say that
Like yeah I know W6 is going to be a complete joke
Must have more godshard than my defense to be considered endgame 
leave pc on and use google remote desktop
Ill be honest. I don't see myself playing much into w6 unless he does something to fix sweaty hourly click playing
just make sure you arent leaking your email xd
i have 4x your def in godshards
Hourly click meta is rough
yeee!
Hourly clicks are gonna die in W6 anyway
Finally!
havent considered that, good idea 

what would he do to fix it
who would do something so utterly moronic
continue sclaing mats to make it impossible to go up?
which would be an insane ladder pull hahaha
He doesnt need to do anything
now to start working on getting a set for my personal tabs XD
what is your def?
The games current power curve will kill hourly clicks on its own
He just needs to uncap resouces in chest
The playstyle was never infinitely sustainable to begin with
this was a couple days ago
at some point ull just hit the 99% wall where its not worth clicking more 
Except bubble 1s
Candy those 
Just candy them
well i guess i have a new goal now
But the clicking lol
does it rlly matter if you can click though? any game will have things you can do on a constant basis
this is just that
I mean yeah candying isnt a great option but its better than hourly
or is it an aspect of staying infront of the curve and not wanting to fall behind on a facet of the game
Plus you can do it when you want to
oh youve been working on it lately..
now it gives it to me just out of order 
True and will be easier in w6 with big ole mat bags and way more/hr
Its okay I'm dyslexic
Good job homie
I also saw 12345
if I didnt read him saying that it was out of order I wouldn't even notice
Yeah W6 being almost here is the reason I havent bothered candying yet
Gonna unleash hell on the bubble 1's after I see what going on
Well kinda that too but thats more a formality than anything
If he doesnt increase it in W6 then I get shadow banned I guess
If he wants to cap my gains then add a fucking hard cap
w6 is a lie
Honestly I probably will as well, actually push my bubble 1s
Dont make me throttle myself because you cant balance properly or just cba to do so
w6 is just w1 with a skin
He gets 2 weeks to change shadowbans, and if he doesnt, im shadowbanning myself 
You could argue that about a lot in the game lol
whats the current cap for 1s bubbles currently before shadowban anyways ?
100k of a single stat
like 22k-25k bubble 1 is what people have said iirc
wtf thats dumb, im not even proper endgamer and could candy that
how are you candying bubbles
Candy the resource used for the bubble
so just for consideration what is considered "proper endgamer" and what would you call the people between late and endgame
I have said before, endgame is a mindset (in my opinion)
and in that I dont compare to people like contract etc
you need to ping buddha with your IE to find out if you qualify
The most up to date arbitrary endgame standards are based on whatever my current stats are

I am still unsure what I should be using my candies for at this point XD
nothing
midgame* 
like raising the nothing on the island or nothing as in saving them?
Definitely not nothing island
gmush kills 
just be scared to use them like me
If you dont know what to use it on then it means you have options
eclipse skulls
because you are unsure if its worth
And if you have options then dont do nothing island because its shit
Cant wait for one of the last 2 divinities to multiply afk gains so i can finally candy nothing island 
Email only now
not sure i have enough to get there yet lol
yup!
I dont think nothing time considers afk gains
Anyone who has less stats me is a midgame noob. Anyone who is better is cheating
what if you already have all?
Meant like Idle Skilling has
Oh god please no
only correct approach
I can't wait to get the last 2 plants or the next deity
Did you forget the RNG factor
Rng with a timegate
Snail 2.0
If i level up divinity will I get more of the points?
wish I could use my phone idle skilling for the computer account for that neat trophy
Less is not none
@cerulean hemlock you lied the printer didnt fill up my bank 
i still dont have IS trophy
slacking
Eh as long as its less than W5 I'll still be pretty damn close to done in a month. With most things at least
by the time i finish IS trophy, i might join the great bob sky 
I can just ignore the gaming equivalent like I did with real gaming on W5 launch
Maybe you'll get an IS trophy during the christmas event with your giftmas card
Yeah I don't foresee more than a month for finishing w6, probably 3 to truly finish everything like DN and skills. Problem is he slow rolls the world out over 6 months so you end up having to replay it later
5starring cards will prob take until w7 though
fractal best island
I hope someday rubifiers become perma on store
or at least weekly
so I can be lazy and ruby all cards through gems
They basically are permanent
My favorite is releasing achievements 6 months into the world so you have to start clicking plants again
They show up in almost every limited rotation
yea, but the numbers are limited
I mean, they'll prob show up more whenever w6 is out as there will be minor updates with new FOMO shops
I just want to ruby bandit bob ๐ฆ
At the very least we can confidently say its not possible that any of the skills in W6 can suck as much as gaming
I refuse to believe its possible to top that without intentionally trying to make the worst thing you can make
Lets not tempt him
True I only have 17 rubifiers left and 48 cards I need to take to 5 star

Granted 26 are dungeon and 16 are event cards
I should probably buy the rubifiers in the shop to finish W6 boss cards
if im going for the 3 hermits in a row is it better to do it on a char with lower effi
That you'll have to buy packs for cause the boss wont be here until July 
Can you even get eff low enough to not catch 3 at a time
idk
I did that quest recently on a few characters and catching 3 at a time wasnt an issue
Best to use lures and lines to target them
Longest one took like 5 minutes. Most were done in 1 or 2
That too if you just sit and wait for a minute it is done
ah ok havent tried in awhile but couldnt get it be fore ill try again
Remember to have skilling food on
Yooo let's go, kattlecruk first try without having moles get to him ๐ฅณ
If you dont use any food then that 1-2 minutes will be at least 5 minimum lol
@rough wasp bubo at frog does feels kinda weird though, alchemy doesnt seems to go as good
cus it doesnt as much as wurms
its just a middle ground of getting decants and w1 statues
but like since i asked you the question about bubo build for it, i made 40k of mining statue/speed
wurms too op for decants 
sdo its not bad
Con 
imma candy my GS and i think im going to start Active SB
i think he's at like 90k or 80k not sure
soon ill return to con
what level do yall recommend the construct statue be at? I've got all 25 statues as onyx but my construct statue is like level 37
It's bonus is additive so it ends up being pretty small. Better to invest a bit into call me Bob than go for the statue
kk my call me bob is lvl 199 atm
is call me bob multi then?
afaik its additive too
Yeah but it's much easier to upgrade it
Also takes up a slot to active farm the statues when you could be doing something that would help your account better
anyone else notice he added weekly bosses tab?
is there a theoretical threshold for 4 second reduction tenteycle? im assuming there might be more +skill level with W6
this is nuts
689 days of buying it is what that is
Wiki says 400
400
nice ty both
+1
up to 194 now
Unlocked my 10th character total level 911...... just 9088 levels to go till my 11th is unlocked....
Need an average lvl of 834 across 12 characters to get the last 2
(I know)
Are the zows/chows glitched in IE? It says I don't have chows that I have.
So I am struggling with rift. (Kill all on screen before respawn) On a third charecter. Siege breaker and ES did it Easy. whats the next easier class? the other feel like they are struggling
They reuse some icons for rare chows, or you might have 2 barbs
Hey yall know the โkill 5m monsters afkโ rift challenge? Can they be done with multiple characters at a time or just one? Like if I put all 10 in the rift will it could all their afk kills?
What is the absolute max lvl 1 character can get
I do have 2 barbs, thanks
As many as you want
Don't think there is one, but if you're talking about the current record, it's either 600 or close to that (higher)
I got 550-something on a char I gave barely touched for months
Thank God. This is taking forever.
shes a bit higher now
also holy pearls
I figured. It's been a while since that was posted.
hmmm what to spend gene splicing from gmush on once all shinies unlocked from w1?
That's a good point, I forgot about those. I'll probably start using those now, mostly to get my highest level character to 500 for the max benefit from the one star talent.
My highest right now is my es at 167 and I'm on like my 3rd or 4th month playing
Bubo, let him auto for a couple minutes than take the revive skill off
DK is also helpful, just take off respawn skill for him as well
All 10 can do it
DK's respawn only respawns if everything is dead
Yeah, but I take it off just to make sure the kills register for the rift
crystals dont count just fyi
How does DK kill quick what skill helps?
Shouldn't hurt if it's on, I just pike taking precautions lol
The knight and the talent that gives normal attacks the chance to make a shockwave
Daggerang also helps, if it's big enough
ah its just thers so many platforms
active "afk" play
hello does any one have a lay out to reach wave 121 in w5 war ship
I'm at fire spirits and my kph is like, 11.5k. Is this a good amount for the 3 million kills needed for the next map? I have caustic scarf, killer brightside, and the fibers of absence and precision prayers. I don't have enough damage for multikill.
very low, i would suggest working on other stuff
With my 275 level dk? What could I work on with kills like that? I already have vman.
likely everything w1-w4 more or less
skills
cards
obols
hard to say with so little context
Skilling, generally. Better samples = better alchemy = better everything
That's understandable, apologies for the ambiguity
So I should turn my primarily fighting dk into another skiller?
My second dk is in lab and my extra es and sb are fighting for materials
Might send dk to shells so I can grind pearlers
Have a public profile to share?
Idleon toolbox or idleon eff?
all your characters are skillers 
Active play is what we usually refer to
when in doubt, just push for bigger samples
While I was gone, chat's been pretty dead ๐
statues is allways a safe grind when you dont know exactly what to do next
I have an equinox dream where I need a 7 digit sample
And I still need to do onyx statues
Yeah, you've super rushed ๐ There is so much low hanging fruit you can go do for a week that will literally 5-10x your damage
It's hard to idle efficiently since I'm mobile restricted
Any tips to raise my VW from 224 to 250 quickly with it doing 1mil to 3mil damage
what you mainly need to understand now is that pushing does very little for you at this stage
Wurms
Kill W5 mobs ofc
I only got 1.5bil exp per hour
So right off the bat: Alchemy bubbles 1 and 2. Your orange1 bubble costs 441 oak logs to level up.. Please, level that. The quick rule of thumb is 20 per world, so you should be at 100+ in W5, not 23
On w5 Lampars
Go to wurms
Those bubbles are atrocious ๐

I'm also having to play ketchup with post office
That's only 150mil also which worms?
I love ketchup
Not helpful 
Tremor
PO is most likely not your concern right now
๐ I've been peer pressured to help
I don't even have the 2nd page of boxes euther
I go right to left, you go left to right
hmm 50 atom clicks only gave me 18b eff 
Ain't got tremors just got moles
you mostly stopped at 1900 scoli?
For now. I'm not spending atom clicks on it, just the nails I produce naturally / with candy
@zinc torrent Do obols
Elaborate?
Like just fill every crevice with obols idc about or just get a bunch?
And I just unlocked atoms, pretty pog
I'm going for roller only achieve - what do i do after i hit the wave im going for? Transition into poison or just basically a more normal setup in general? does keeping my boulders make sense?
forfeit after u get achiev
FR? my highest wave is only 70 and achieve is 50, so i could go for higher ๐คทโโ๏ธ
๐ Then does it make sense to keep the rolers? u lose a lot of points from sellin right?
o
hmm
hahah yeah, thats the point
u will lose a ton of points turning it into a bad run
so its better to forfeit and start again witha decent comp if u want a good highscore
thats what i'd do at least
ya that makes sense - ok ty
and i see that u have poison, meaning that u can reach wave 100 probably
90-100 easily
Q: is plunderous mobs affected by multikill or dr?, like mat drops..
I think ill atom it to 2400 then find something else to atom
Fair enough makes sense
what channel is TD posts pinned in?
guide masterlist in #1084911530417606656 made by rashaken
dont know if there is a weak setup there tho
just gotta cook up 1 then 
oh yeah no they are the equi builds
do it for the new players! u play this game 10x more than me, too much dedication
lp_n have some
im just an old weak peasant
to be fair there is tons on YT
^
any point in having crit chance be over 100%??
are the setups as good as the old guide setups?
Megacrit
which should easily be enough to get them into equinox builds
those were fire
200% is the goal. Higher than that gives you nothing but bragging rights.
an ok build easily becomes great with some equinox
omegacrit when 
equinox op yeah
so its not as essential anymore to do shit perfect
hmm it is at lower levels when u are min maxing tho
pre wave 100 u can do wonders with a good gameplay and setup
i guess, but if youre that hardcore as a noobie you probably will have to ask anyway
wen will we get the old guides pinned back again! they helped so many players
for the majority a sub optimal build works great untill equinox build are viable
Q: how long it will take to get the 6th mutation on plants in gaming?
there is a calculator for that somewhere
probably at #1084911530417606656
is it better to focus on 1 plant?
makes no difference
if u want to focus on 1, u do that, if u want all of them , focus on all, whatever u prefer
kitsune helps right
i prefer doing 1 of each + 10 extra claiming
but i always prefered to do things in batch so it would give me less work,s o
im too lazy

yeah im doing the same atm
how long it took you to get your first 6th mutation?
not much
in 3 months of playing i was already at over 200B dmg with almost everything available done
i play smart, meaning that i dont try to force content that doesnt feel right to do at that moment
less work for me this way
I mean this in an informative fashion, not trying to be rude, but your samples are like I expect for someone in late w3/early w4. Those very low prints are holding you back from what should be very easy alchemy levels at this point. My initial guess for the culprit is that your Vman isn't highest leveled in Choppin.
So, 1) Get your Vman working on Choppin levels, then resample Logs ASAP. The benchmark for early W5 is 500k Oak Logs sample.
2) What you're actually printing right now is chaotic. The goal to work toward is 3x logs, 2x ores, 1x fish, 2x bugs, 2x monster materials. If you can't maintain your refinery with only 4 total slots, you can active on ES for an hour to stack up what would otherwise be days of prints. While you're doing so, grab plenty of extra Green Mushroom Spore Caps to send your bubble2s skyrocketing. Bubble2 multiplies something like 13+ bubbles- it is crazy good value.
3) Use those improved prints to feed back into Alchemy. Focus especially on the total stat bubbles (Bubble1 in Orange, Green, Purple), the big multi-resource bubbles (Wyoming Blood, Sploosh Sploosh, Bug^2 can be printed).
4) After about a week of that, once your Vman is 1st place in Choppin and maybe catching too, resample again
Keep upping bubbles, resampling, back and forth.
Alchemy is just a giant feedback loop 
It may be a bit overwhelming at first, but I'd also recommend to check out my review tool. It isn't quite as good as human review, but it'll give you a checklist of easy/important tasks you can accomplish in every category.
I like your idea, and I appreciate your information. I do have a few questions.
1: if the benchmark is 500k, how possible is 1m? One of my dreams is a 7 digit sample.
2: what does bubble2 mean? The second bubble in any given cauldron?
3: when you say they can be printed, does that mean I should prioritize printing those exclusively?
4: Should I care about getting further in w5 since I'm at fire spirits, or spend all my time with my main people going in and out for samples? I use character 9 and 10 for enemy grinding so I can level up monster mat bubbles like sippy straws.

play with your heart, that is always the right move
imagine dongstuff in the game that doesnt make u happy 
1m Oak Logs sample is certainly possible. 500k is just the benchmark I mention for a player that is playing catchup after reaching W5 town.
Yes, by Bubble2s I mean the 2nd bubble in the Orange, Green, and Purple bubble cauldrons: Warriors Rule, Archer or Bust, Mage Is Best.
For right now while you're in the catchup phase, those don't have to be exclusively what you print but they're likely to be the biggest bang for your buck.
At the point you are, I'd stop pushing new maps ACTIVELY and play catch up for a couple weeks. You're still welcome to leave 1 character AFK pushing maps if you desire. Obviously do what you find fun, just know it isn't generally the "efficient" thing to be doing right now.
There is always a balance of fun vs sweaty minmaxing
If it feels like you're banging your head against the wall, try something different 
Don't get me wrong, my dk having so much levels is fun and all but at this point I might use him to afk monster mats for salts.
but donโt worry, there are a lot of walls to bang your head against
one is more fun now and then
Since most of my super good mains are in lab I don't really know what to do with them
Divinity jail at the start of w5 is such a drag 
I see you also missed the Chocco Chip lab chip a few weeks ago ๐ฆ It is super important for active play. The next one is available for purchase in February. Keep it in the back of your mind as a target ~6 weeks out. Feels like playing a different game with and without it.
You've got cheese unlocked which is great. 100 over 6 weeks should be easy. The 200k pinion spurs is normally what trips people up
As far as monster farm targets, I'd recommend to start looking at POP Obols with your ES. Give that as much Drop Rate as possible (Move that lab chip over from your BB. Move the Dice obols from your DK into the Family tab- No point in not sharing ๐), then send them to Gigafrogs.
They will be very slow to start with, but that's just how it is unfortunately. Need drop rate to speed up future drop rate farming, haha
I assume pop comes from gigafrogs
Yup. They're the ONLY source of those Obols
POP Obols are best-in-slot for the Circle shape that can be farmed normally. There are pink colored Hyper Obols that show up in the Gem Shop sometimes that are a smidge better, but not always available.
You're going to eventually want your Personal and Family page full of Drop Rate for active farming. POP Obols in the Circles, then Dice Obols in square and higher. Dice obols are generally farmed from W2 crystals and that'll be MUCH easier to farm after Chocolate Chip at the end of February
Bed time for me, but good luck and happy gaming ๐ซก
Morning guys ๐ฅฑ
mornin'
Any tips for beating breeding fight for with the super self healing sheepied?
Looks like 4 hours pf grinding gets me about 15 cards :p
pf?
Finally got a new nugget
Still can't seem to progress though been sitting at 5m Red for the longest time with this and a 14 snail
snail needs to go up
Been scared to push it much since a fail is all the way back to 5 for me lol
get the atom first then
then you need to get that fixed...
Trying but it takes ages, been saving for like a week and only halfway there to next upgrade for it, and thats with a 600m sample or close to it
damn
I dont recall it being that bad/pricey
and next upgrade is only 7 or something?
with 6x
10
It's in 5's
5/10/15/20 all you need for now
im finding it hard to believe a 600m sample has a hard time getting 15 snail security
still
use 6X no?
Whats the atom cost?
should be easy enough for you
130k isnt expensive especially with those samples o.o
Im getting like 10k a day
10k a day?
yeah, thats almost a week of saving lol
with this i can get 1k/hr with 6X so 130 hr not counting printer procs
um sec
Just comes down to actual prints
1b = 100 per hour
was that IE trickz?
think so
ofc, but still
it was to put it into perspective a bit
but yeh, with 6x thats 600 per hour, which is already 14.4k for that single alt?
yeah
Im having a hard time finding where It shows the overal prints lol
exactly
w3 con 3d
but eitherway jesterings maffff aint maffin
Either way
1 atom = 10m
10 atom = 100m
100 atom = 1bil. mats
500 atoms = 5bil mats.
So that single alt there is already making 12k atoms a day?
You'd have 3 mages all with similar prints, and oak etc too
I stopped activing bubo for 2 hours my account is ruined
you should be getting 50k+ atoms a day excluyding mman printing
IT is easier, shows the nuymber of atoms produced pr day
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Dunno, havent played since last tuesday and thats all I have lol
just hop on to do mman then back off
kinda forgot about IT* showing atoms
Did you spend em on alch atom clicks
Probably
show all ur samples, this is making me curious now xD
because now it just looks like you only have 1x alt printing oaks..
Since that's 660 atoms/h while you have a 5bil oak alt print going
Like, IT only shows 3x?
@cerulean hemlock Good luck 
Gold star prints
other 2 mages are 106/85.5m I dont think they have right god

what a gamer
what is the % increase in efficiency that leveling up a skill provides?
will trade you roid raging bubbles in exchange for admitting it's okay to kill frogs
for cooking zero
. I was looking at fishing earlier and, obviously multipliers and alchemy and all things are a factor, but I didn't see a lot of gain in like 5 fishing levels (then again construction levels apparently massively outscale anything cog build rate could ever do)
maybe a 300k gain in efficiency over 5 levels?
bleh :(
yeah, sounds like a lot when you ignore the fact fully fishing large fish is 30m efficiency 
Some one with a better account should test (or link to already discovered math relevant to the question)
looking for da way to 1b oak
whats your main stat at with this?
For weekly HH, is it better to use a small group than a large one?
nothing crazy
I feel like if my HH group is like 3 people we just annihilate the final GrandFrogger but if it's like 8-10 it just sucks
cause it scaled per people in
larger groups have a higher chance of mega noobs who don't do anything
I am being held back by noobs 
Finally I am OP enough at this game for it to be other people's fault 
sweet spot is 5, less and if they go afk you might not get the drop sneeded
even in a 10 man party you only need 3 good people
yea im pretty sure it doesnt get harder the more people there are
Good luck getting that in HH though
lol true
What I'm hearing is that I'm not actually op it is still my fault 
we did tho
If I get a horn I can usually carry a 10 man group as long as I can get the drops
And they don't do dumb crap like spawn mobs when I'm trying to clear the upper maps but meh
i just announce it here and #party-finder-๐ช and wait, if i have 2 people already the rest are just getting carried
I just dont run dungeons๐คทโโ๏ธ
dung update coming soon
do I save?
cap
i havent ran happy hour for like 4 months probably
Always left until you get a 100%
left side till right shows 100%
Also check pins for much div info.
usually if I start a dungeon party I just run at like 3-4 people
tried different today and got less than 4k flurbos rip
I read 0.5% per lvl earlier, so pretty good
sweet
you can ping me for hh 
but what if I become the noob holding you back 
it went from 50 to 25๐ญ
I'm only rank 48 
we wont go alone
Kai, how long will it take to get 75 gstacks?
I'm sitting on 45 rn
same , i am only gated by horn
1 hour with enough time candy 
not long with good prints
depends how many monster mats you have greenstacked already
if you haven't bought the w5 grilled cheeses or other food yet you can buy them by the greenstack each day
you can get a lot of green stacks quickly from es farming depending on the mob
or vman sample runs ๐
es was quicker for me on a lot of mobs
well yeh, but doing one doesnt mean u cant do the other
All 45 are skilling mats
true that
tbh I just went down each mob on my BB candying up to gs
There are spore caps yeah
then w5 food and w1 mobs are your next source
oh easy, just farm w1-w3 with es and you could probably get all those greenstacked in a couple days
yeh BB doing super chow stuff.
SB doing eclipse/bars etc.
and active ES for other things
not like he doesn't need more kills anyway for when new OP w6 class makes him best in game
Alright, will work on foods first
w4 you can buy up to 7m at a time
Yeah and w4 needs 2 days
And my reset is in 2 hours lol
are you a caterer because it's time you got loaded up with food
nani??
For some reason my brain gave up on proper English, I suspect this is because I lost 2 hours of bubo time and am not only at like 120 hours straight
the food was from w4 you can get 7m at at time
i get 400k w4 daily
or 700k i cant read
"Not only at" Mother Fuck
ah
I need to buy the special storage chests so I can greenstack more things that are easily bought and green stackable
ill soon need a LL dump ๐
... the extra spaces to stack 75 lucky lads would also be nice
only 3 ๐ฎ
3 more on others but yeah
i just made my 2nd luckier lad yesterday, was nice to get rid of all of them ๐
its 45 lads for that right ?
No, 75
75

yea its a lot
They are easy
Once u properly DK grind with nice DR
you'll get like 10+ lads a day
Trickz some of us have bad accounts 
that's why some of us have sat on bubo for nearly a week to fix their alchemy 
Bad accounts with low FMJ 
this my dk at w2 statues
veryone has to do that for a while
I forgot what orb was because all I see now is cranium cooking 
yea i was farming 1m plunder kills for 2 months so i only made one during that time lol
sb bad at getting lucky lads XD
Thats a lot of damage
wait you actually got 1m plunder kills 
yes
i have this on
Still that's a lot 
made it to top 10 as well 
Mhm
Around 20k plunderous a day on my sb atm,
7 lads
In 70k Plunderous atm. (from 150k to 220k)
How many therapists visits a week to get 1m plunderous
crystal steak
I could work for that maybe
yowch
50ish days is sadly pretty long/slow ๐ฆ
yea i probably made it a lil longer than i should have, because i didnt have choco chip on or crystal cards for the first week so yea that slowed it down a lot
for plunderous or for therapy?
getting out of therapy in 50 days is speedrunning mental health
whats the average time to get 1m?
if you got top 10 in 2 months average time to 1m is probably a year

but that's with gud rates. also there's a ton of higher priorities
just making sure





